#h1-discussion

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untold ginkgo
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mirror upgrades are hard to find

modern garnet
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Your options for getting more health are limited

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At some point the really good upgrades dry up and you have to rely on skill more

lunar orchid
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mirror upgrades?

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you just need darkness

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just dash alot

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play with divine dash

stoic flame
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umm between dio legendary and splitting headache

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what should i chose

signal aspen
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um

stoic flame
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im playing beowulf with arte attack

signal aspen
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whats your build like

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oh

stoic flame
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and dio cast

brisk trail
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depends on if you cast a lot

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legendary

signal aspen
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yeah

stoic flame
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alright

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welp i died to heroes

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what a waste

crude surge
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sad

royal thistle
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Recently my luck has really been lacking

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I've only gotten mostly common boons and my rare crop hits my uncommon bronze skin

stoic flame
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ive always been talking smacc about the bow but lately im finding it the most fun

brisk trail
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i only just got to the end credits, was wondering if there's more to do after

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im doing some of the punishments

signal aspen
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theres a lot of stuff to do after the credits

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like the epilogue

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beating 8, 16, and 32 heat

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maxing all bonds

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and getting all achievements on steam

lunar orchid
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i just like playing and making wild builds

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im long past the credits

bronze wind
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Yes I have not even gotten the credits I have only beaten hades twice, there is still a lot to do.

lunar orchid
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you can still get the prophecies?

stoic flame
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holy smokes tis just jus zagreus

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this is huge

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also hera with athena cast is insane

chrome wharf
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so I looked up hades on wikipedia and uh

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cerberus smol?!?!

ashen nova
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Maybe hades just really big?

chrome wharf
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maybe

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(or that piece of rock wasn't big enough)

brisk trail
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maybe the sculptor didnt want Cerberus to be bigger than hades ig

unborn remnant
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probably

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Arent the olympians very tall

lunar orchid
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holyballs im just making things disappear with my zeus dash

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with epic high voltage and double strike and jolted

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and the legendary zeus thing which makes a ball ligthning

modern garnet
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oh yeah lightning strikes go from one of the weaker effects to really strong when you build it

limpid quartz
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Zeus just goes bonkers insane with other Zeus boons

warped fiber
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Damn the song during the credits is such a banger

split ermine
tacit ember
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is this alowed here? i found it on reddit and liked it

warped fiber
mellow meadow
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i dont think this is a high heat question so i didn't want to put in #h1-high-heat-strategies , but what are some tips for dealing with teh boss on EM3?

With healing and death defiances and that leeway most things are pretty easy but now that im attempting stricter restrictions I want to efficiently beat this boss by tkaing the less damage etc. I see guys kill this boss in seconds but IDK if im' not frontloading enough damage or maybe even coming into the fight with enough damage to kill him so quickly

gray dust
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Nyx has just told me that I have completed all of the prophesies on the LoMP. Is there any chance that there will be more?

brisk trail
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hm usually I fire my companion into the 2 at the start and then focus down asterius. using acorn helps

split ermine
gray dust
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Well, all good things must come to an end

brisk trail
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if youre not pressured for speed you can mostly ignore the chariot also divine dash helps a lot

mellow meadow
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never really used any of the other companions

brisk trail
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I like meg yeah

split ermine
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the achilles companion is my go to

brisk trail
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antos is decent too

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I think meg is the easiest to use

split ermine
brisk trail
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it just goes in a straight line, makes it really easy to use consistently on boss and miniboss positions

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antos gets a bit wierd with several targets

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thanatos takes very long so its also harder to use

split ermine
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ah i see what you mean

brisk trail
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meg fires immediatley so you can click it easily

open peak
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I've defeated the final boss a number of times. Without spoiling anything too much, is there anything too much, what should I should focus on during runs in order to advance the story/unlock stuff? It seems like focusing on Nectar would be wise...

modern garnet
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To get the next part of the story all you gotta do is keep beating the boss

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But um, start saving up ambrosia for the part after that

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And yeah nectar

open peak
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i've got about 9 ambrosia so far... havent found much use for it yet so hopefully that stockpile keeps growing

granite ether
charred hemlock
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charged shot on the board shield does it like knockback enemies

sick ibex
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soooo, whos parts do i have to please to get my steam save to transfer to my ps5 when hades drops on console lol. i want to play it console so bad, but 300+hrs in steam idk if i can restart haha

unborn remnant
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There is no cross transfer for ps and xbox

split ermine
ruby sparrow
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do we know if hades on ps5 will upscale to 60fps?

sick ibex
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yeah, i figured, but hey, ya never know when you offer pleasures in trade lolol

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my buddy said it was enhanced for the new xbox, i would assume it would be likewise for ps

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i wonder if ill be over the new ffremake ps5 upgrade and gg strive by the time it drops on console. i say i cant restart, but who am i kidding, ill get it day 1 lol

split ermine
ruby sparrow
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pog

sick ibex
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was it not on steam?

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60fps?

unborn remnant
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It was

brisk trail
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I think there are PC options to unlock framerate.

sick ibex
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did it start out at 60 or do you have to select that? i honestly never even went into all that lol

oak fox
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I got two achievements left. The Night and Darkness one and the Keepsakes one

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LETS gooooo

flat creek
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Hey guys! I’ve managed to beat Hades on one heat very consistently, just going through all the weapons now to make sure I’ve got all the rewards, but I’m wondering what I should be focusing on now? I’ll keep increasing the heat and getting bounties, but what else can I do in the game? Should I be focusing on getting like companions or something or levelling all my keepsakes? I keep playing the game because it’s so much fun but I’m not sure what else I should be focusing on, my gameplay feels a bit aimless.

oak fox
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Maybe the Epilogue. That'd take some time

normal shadow
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Epilogue? o.O

manic bobcat
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Yes.

normal shadow
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Is this separate to the main campaign as (unless I'm being daft) it's the first I've heard of it

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unless it's spoiler territory

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at which point I'll just keep playing as normal until something reveals itself to me 🙂

manic bobcat
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Well let me put it this way. There are 3 "checkpoints" for the game story wise.
First clear.
End credit.
Epilogue.

normal shadow
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OK. I mean I've only cleared it three times at present

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So I'll just keep slashing at it

manic bobcat
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Yeah do a bit more and you will see. Keep an eye out on your relationship with other characters, especially ||Persephone||.

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Good luck!

normal shadow
crude surge
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||after the credits||

normal shadow
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👌

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basically what starts playing in my brain any time someone says 'credits' 🙄

chrome wharf
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*flops down after hell mode clear #3

stark salmon
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got some questions about the pact of punishment.|| if on one weapon i haven't beat Hades with it yet, and go to a higher heat, can i still get the titan blood? also if a go to a higher heat than required, do i permanently skip the bounties below them?||

prisma wind
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To answer your questions:

  1. No heat and 1+ heat are counted separately, so you could add heat to get the bounties again once, but after that you have to clear
  2. No, bounties are awarded as if you're only one step up, so if you're 5 heat over the requirement, you could clear that same heat 5 times before running out of bounties
stark salmon
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got it. Thanks!

opal thunder
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does jerky affect only your primary attack or does it affect your special and other abilities?

crude surge
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Cyclops only effects attack

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Chimera only effects special

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It says clearly in the description

modern garnet
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When something says it increases your attack damage it only means your primary attack

deep pivot
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@narrow hemlock Speaking of Ares' summer time, what do you think is his favorite flavor? Besides Ambrosia, of course lol nectar

primal elm
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Man I love the Guanyu spear ❤️

opal wharf
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hmm

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today i will escape hell

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:clueless:

queen haven
opal wharf
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12 hp

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god

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thanks dionisus

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i did it

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phew

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it was close

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4th time

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or 3rd time

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i beat my dad

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feels good man

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hmm

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should i give nectar to my dad

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for the 100%

robust scaffold
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yes

opal wharf
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but he big meanie

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it feels good when i defeat him

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why would i give him a gift

outer yoke
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I was so happy that I reached the final boss within 7 runs ; . ;

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but man that final boss fight

opal wharf
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yeah

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fists carry me

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first time i saw Hades was the first time i beat it

outer yoke
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I beat him, but then he did the thing

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; . ;

opal wharf
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the fire thing

outer yoke
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Yeah

opal wharf
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yeah

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i feel your pain mate

outer yoke
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It's crazy doe that I managed so far within 7 runs only, must've been really lucky

opal wharf
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you're getting better

outer yoke
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Managed to get shield bull rush items, I was unstoppable

opal wharf
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hehehe

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nice

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also

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if you use the shield

outer yoke
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Unlocked the pummel firsters now >: )

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they feel so epic

opal wharf
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when you charge the bull rush

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when you charge the bull rush you block all attacks

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including the fire thing

outer yoke
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Yes I noticed that, very helpful

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O.o

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I died before I could test it out with him

opal wharf
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now you know

outer yoke
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Oh yeah, I did manage to completely evaporate his cast ability through blocking

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the fire skull thingy

opal wharf
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also the fist are my fav weapon

outer yoke
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o.O

opal wharf
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have fun

outer yoke
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I just tested it out on skelly, they feel epic

opal wharf
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the start is to spam dash attack back and forth

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and some uppercut here and there

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its a combo weapon

outer yoke
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I rarely use my casts lol

opal wharf
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same

outer yoke
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Never built around it

opal wharf
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i usually pick the artemis cast when i can

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but yeah

outer yoke
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I haven't checked out everything for now

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but yeah, been epic

opal wharf
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glad you enjoy the game

outer yoke
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I'm always a sucker for indies and roguelikes

opal wharf
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same

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honestly

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Hades is my fav roguelike

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there's so much dialogue

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i bought it before i knew it was nominated for game of the year

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and i was happily surprised

outer yoke
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ey

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I like to support indie games as well, almost full library is full of indies

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Give me some fresh artstyle, mechanics and stuff, compared to AAA titles

opal wharf
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shovel knight

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was so great

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shovel knight got me into indies

outer yoke
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Ah nice

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for me it was mostly spelunky and dead cells

robust scaffold
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i just like indies since theyre a lot cheaper

opal wharf
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yeah that too

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but like

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there's a certain je ne sais quoi

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maybe its the dev genuinely having ideas

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or the team not being stressed by time limit

brisk trail
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does anyone have any suggestions for thesues and the bull

opal wharf
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kill the bull first

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get behind theseus

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also when the bull charge you can dash into him back and forth

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divine dash lets gooo

opal wharf
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OOOO

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i got a stonewall

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Lets gooo

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2 successful run in a row

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damn

signal aspen
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thats almost 3 runs in a row

opal wharf
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true true

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its the first time i do 2 in a row

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feels good

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sweet little curse run

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with the shield

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also i have titles when i end the run

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what do they mean

signal aspen
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you get titles based on what you did during that run

opal wharf
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i got a title based on the Minotaur

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Toughness of the Minotaur

signal aspen
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that means you have a lot of health

opal wharf
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nice

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i have a title about fishing too

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guess i fished a lot

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oMG I FISHED ON THE SURFACE

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this game is crazy

signal aspen
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yeah it do be like that

opal wharf
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10 blood

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wonder what happends when i'll get 20

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cant wait

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they prob merge into something better

signal aspen
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yeah

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they merge into milk

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and you drink it

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and all of your weapons become max level

opal wharf
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good think i never spended them

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phew

signal aspen
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yeah

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that was a close one

opal wharf
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thanks for the tip btw

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i wasnt sure

signal aspen
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or you can save the milk

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and get 20 more blood

opal wharf
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to get cheese?

signal aspen
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which will turn into milk

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yes

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you get cheese

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and you eat it

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and you unlock everything in the game

opal wharf
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that sounds too strong

brisk trail
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um could someone help

signal aspen
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yeah its op

signal aspen
brisk trail
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the game just stuck

opal wharf
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softlock?

brisk trail
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i wanted to change my bindings

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and now it's not taking anything from my controller

opal wharf
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ah

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sounds like

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man its tough to get more blood without spending it

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how do other do it

unborn remnant
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Clear more runs

signal aspen
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git gud

unborn remnant
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look for trades from the broker

opal wharf
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wait

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you really have to not spend your blood

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i though it was a joke

signal aspen
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it was a joke

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you get nothing for saving your blood

opal wharf
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oh phew

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idk what to spend it on tho

signal aspen
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spend it on guan yu

opal wharf
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is that a hidden aspect

signal aspen
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yes

opal wharf
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should i save my blood for the hidden aspect

signal aspen
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yeah

opal wharf
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cant wait to get the milk

signal aspen
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milk is good

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🥛

stoic flame
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guan yu is literally unusable at level 1

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instant death 🗿

signal aspen
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dont get hit dusa

stoic flame
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im bad at the game 😎

signal aspen
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git gud dusa

robust scaffold
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lets go fellow bad players

stoic flame
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lesgo

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ur talking to a player with 80 ish runs and 5 clears

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😎

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||kill me rn||

robust scaffold
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oof

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clears arent everything, as long as ur still having fun

stoic flame
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true

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thats what i tell myself

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to comfort

royal thistle
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but I mean once you get a certain amount of wins you just get into a winning groove

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like 6 wins then you just keep winning consistently

stoic flame
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imagine

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im not consistent at all in dodging the spin attack

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i keep reaching hades

robust scaffold
stoic flame
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but then

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death

signal aspen
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dont die

opal wharf
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relatable

stoic flame
opal wharf
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i always fail Hades when i dont have my 4 death defiances

stoic flame
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i use stubborn

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time to use DD ig

signal aspen
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mirrorless gang

stoic flame
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but stobborn is so handy

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just kys when hp low

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ez

signal aspen
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are you using the athena dd cheese?

opal wharf
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also

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if you have all your dd when you pick that boon, do you get a bonus one

stoic flame
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what is this

signal aspen
signal aspen
opal wharf
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sad

signal aspen
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that will give you access to her dd boons

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and when you take her dd boons when you are missing a sd

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you get a permanent dd

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and in asphodel it is easy to lose your sd because of the lava

stoic flame
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hell yeah

signal aspen
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you also get your sd back after you leave that room

stoic flame
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🙂

robust scaffold
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ye and if u get the athena dd that boosts ur hp recovery on death u get a good boost to ur sd

stoic flame
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also i tried using merciful end and i couldnt even make it out if something was happening or not

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does it only work for deflected attacks

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or like all attacks with a deflect ability

signal aspen
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attacks with a deflect ability

stoic flame
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cap

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doesnt work

signal aspen
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no

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you just bad

robust scaffold
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u apply doom

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then u deflect to proc doom

signal aspen
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yes

stoic flame
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the doom stack boon works on it or not?

signal aspen
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yes

stoic flame
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proc

signal aspen
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what

stoic flame
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what does proc mean

viscid breach
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Pré order done

signal aspen
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nice

stoic flame
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nice

signal aspen
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so

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if you apply doom

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and hit it with something that has the ability to deflect

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it will proc the doom

stoic flame
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oh

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ohhhh

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this is what it does

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i thought it applies more doom

signal aspen
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yeah you need to apply doom with something

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that applies doom

stoic flame
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i see i see

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so deflect attack on fists special and doom attack

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with doom stack boon

robust scaffold
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i think athena dash is better, i dont play fists tho

stoic flame
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athena dash good

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i like it

mellow meadow
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Usually I have doom on attack, Athena on special and dash. Once u have merciful end just spam attack and dash into the guy since th dash will proc it.

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Idk if it’s optimal but it works. And if u use Demeter fists u just use special whenever u charge it up

brisk trail
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its optimal

opal wharf
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back at it again

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hopefully 3rd win in a row

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sorry

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but

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holy

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the sword

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is too powerful

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i had athena and the divine dash boost that makes it so enemy take 90% from backstab

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and holy

pulsar ridge
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Arthur backstab build 😳

opal wharf
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i had the crits too

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900 damage sometimes

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all the boss melted

pulsar ridge
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oh not arthur

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900 damage 😔

opal wharf
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no aspect

signal aspen
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bruh

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not that much

opal wharf
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not even zag's aspect

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to me

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it is

pulsar ridge
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With Arthur you can hit like 5-9k on backstab/crits

signal aspen
opal wharf
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holy

signal aspen
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no crit

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but

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insane damage

opal wharf
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oh also

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i guess that for the mirror

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backstab is better than more damage on full health

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right?

signal aspen
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uh

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depends on the weapon

opal wharf
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tell me

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more

signal aspen
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i only use fiery presence on rail

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for hestia and eris

opal wharf
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for every other weapon

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backstab is better?

signal aspen
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yeah

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well

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for beowulf

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fiery presence is better

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and you can use fiery presence for zag bow

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for some reason i always forget to turn on fiery presence on beowulf

lyric bobcat
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got a question about maxing out Patroclus hearts:
i already unlocked the last 3 by finishing his and Achilles favor and meeting them both together. Can I only gift him nectar when he is alone? Can I reset runs once I see if Achilles is not in the house?

signal aspen
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i think you have to give him ambrosia while he is alone

royal thistle
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non cast build beowulf :) all into dash attack

signal aspen
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nice

royal thistle
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ngl if you don't get sudden charge cast beowulf isn't fun

signal aspen
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yeah the bullrush is kinda slow

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but its worth it

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the damage from beowulf is insane

royal thistle
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or you can just do op dash attack damage

signal aspen
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why

royal thistle
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cause it hits HARD

signal aspen
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if you want to do a dash strike build just use zag shield

royal thistle
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big board

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dash attack

signal aspen
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the damage from a cast build is way better

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for beowulf

royal thistle
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but s l o w

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if I wanted to do a charge build I'd just use zag shield 😏

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since I don't have to slowly wait

signal aspen
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do you wait for the bullrush to fully charge?

royal thistle
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no

signal aspen
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oh ok

royal thistle
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most of the time no

signal aspen
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most of the time?

royal thistle
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it still takes 3 seconds to charge

signal aspen
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uh

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no

royal thistle
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😩

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2x longer w h y

unborn remnant
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I never use max charge

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unless its Beo

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always half or mid charge followed by dash

royal thistle
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explosive return zeus shield😏

signal aspen
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nice

royal thistle
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explosive upper demeter fists

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is prob my fav way to use fists

signal aspen
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explosive upper is epic

bright comet
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oh wow the romance actions are a thing even post maxed romance

royal thistle
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yeah

signal aspen
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yeah

bright comet
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nice touch

royal thistle
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it's cool

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👍

opal wharf
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romance?

signal aspen
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yes

opal wharf
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its called romance

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?

bright comet
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its a name for such things in games yeah

opal wharf
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what the bloody hell am i doing with my dog then

signal aspen
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uh

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what

bright comet
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did you forget about dogmeat romance

opal wharf
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what

bright comet
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(fallout 4) but yea offtopic

opal wharf
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i didnt know it was called romance for Hades

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:/

royal thistle
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mmm bond

opal wharf
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bond is way better

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thank you

royal thistle
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I mean

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it's literally what it's called

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pretty sure

bright comet
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your point with dog would still stand with bond

opal wharf
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nah

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its friendship

royal thistle
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cause if you get the cool symbol on a keepsake

bright comet
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well romance actions are, you know, making love

royal thistle
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it says you share a fiesty bond

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etc.

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or unspoken bond

bright comet
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but yeah im running em4 consistently now

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just upping up number of foes for now, and it affects how many falling rocks hades summons

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makes for interesting experience every time

signal aspen
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em4 is fun

bright comet
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yeah anything less is just boring now, only if im doing lesser heats for weapons i havent used

royal thistle
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there are people who don't run double time thing

bright comet
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i just wonder how feasible forced overtime is going to be

royal thistle
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and middle management

bright comet
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its good for pre hades, makes things faster

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whats middle management again, purging boons?

signal aspen
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mini bosses become stronger

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or there are more enemies in miniboss rooms

bright comet
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thats actually fine

royal thistle
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it makes some fights more fun

bright comet
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the only one that wouldnt be is the teleporting witch

royal thistle
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I mean

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the teleporting isn't better or worse

signal aspen
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the sneak is fine

royal thistle
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with middle

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management

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tbh

signal aspen
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it spawns the enemies that grab and stun you

bright comet
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but on other hand i will have more targets for bull rush

royal thistle
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the only painful thing is the gorgon but big

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with mm

signal aspen
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yeah

bright comet
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i think ill do forced overtime after jury summons is maxed

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but ah, the heat is higher

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min maxing even in hades

royal thistle
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I'd do em 4 more often

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but em 3 is pain

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it's not hard it's just annoying

signal aspen
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yeah

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bull gets annoying

bright comet
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nah em4 stays

signal aspen
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but theseus is not that bad

royal thistle
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theseus is annoying to catch up

bright comet
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im running shield so im good with asterius

royal thistle
#

the bull is fine

bright comet
#

vs theseus i practice timing bull rush

signal aspen
#

i hate when the bull does ten spins in a row

bright comet
#

360 noscopes and such

royal thistle
#

laughs in zag bow

#

zag rail kinda pog

torpid axle
#

how does this make any sense?

bright comet
#

never used rail actually

signal aspen
torpid axle
#

I can't replenish stubborn defiance

signal aspen
#

you can

#

when you take that boon with a missing sd you get a permanent dd

#

and you get your sd back when you leave that room

void vigil
#

when you have no stubborn defiance, it will give you one death defiance in addition to the stubborn defiance that gets used after the stubborn defiance

bright comet
#

i mean replenishes still do show up even if maxed
it would make more sense here just to upgrade it
but with dd its less sense but still good if nothing else

bright comet
torpid axle
#

i still don't get it

bright comet
#

does it add another dd if dd

torpid axle
#

if I have SD active and I take this, do I get an extra DD or nothing happens?

signal aspen
#

you get an extra DD if you are missing your SD

void vigil
#

nothing happens except for your future SDs restoring 10% more

torpid axle
#

I'm not missing it

#

so nothing happens alright

signal aspen
#

yeah

void vigil
#

but if youre missing it its extremely good

bright comet
#

just leave it for later

#

so its in the pool

#

unless youre at temple

royal thistle
#

having double approval process

#

makes such random builds

signal aspen
#

nice

#

ap2 is epic

torpid axle
#

reached hades on 1 heat

signal aspen
#

nice

torpid axle
#

I might just have the worst possible build ever conceived

royal thistle
#

^ lies you haven't been using ap2

#

zag bow cast build ;)

#

how did I win?

#

(zeus cast btw)

#

somehow I got splitting

#

the game turns everything I ever do into a zeus build

torpid axle
#

I legit haven't seen a zeus boon

#

in the last 5 runs

#

at least

royal thistle
#

lucky

torpid axle
#

wait

#

can you deflect hades' lasers?

opal wharf
#

i went 3 runs without a athena boon

signal aspen
opal wharf
torpid axle
#

damn it

royal thistle
#

zeus and ares

#

the ruiner of builds

unborn remnant
#

Zeus is goated

signal aspen
#

zeus is good

royal thistle
#

zeus won't leave me alone

unborn remnant
#

The ruiner of builds is Demeter imo

royal thistle
#

lol no

unborn remnant
#

she only has a few useful boons

signal aspen
#

kinda

royal thistle
#

it's zeus

#

he turns every run into a zeus run

signal aspen
#

ill only take rare crop and nourished soul from her

manic bobcat
# torpid axle so nothing happens alright

Since no one said it, you get the passive bonus (more healing after reviving).
The extra DDs people talk about is actually an unintended interaction that the dev decided to leave in (hence why it's confusing).

signal aspen
#

everything else is bad

unborn remnant
#

Rare Crop is sick but there are so many that are aren't great

#

the cast buffs like

#

sure?

royal thistle
#

zeus has like a few utility boons

#

maybe less

#

theres the 2 call boons

#

and uhh..

#

that's all

unborn remnant
#

The thing is, Zeus is more useful in a variety of builds

#

because of his chain attacks

royal thistle
#

no he just invades

#

and turns a build into a zeus build

unborn remnant
#

Poseidon and Eris make excellent use of Zeus

bright comet
#

zeus is godtier pun intended

royal thistle
#

like man I didn't want to be forced to get double strike

signal aspen
#

double strike good

bright comet
#

ares is good

#

demeter is good

royal thistle
#

anyways curse of drowning is the worst duo

bright comet
#

everyone is good except artemis unless you are already doing zeus

unborn remnant
#

thats a hot take

royal thistle
#

artemis is always good 👍

robust scaffold
#

wow

royal thistle
#

pp is just

robust scaffold
#

artemis is good

royal thistle
#

so cool

signal aspen
#

what

bright comet
#

artemis is waifu but if i have a choice between her as first boon and chaos i choose the latter

royal thistle
#

chaos is kinda pog

manic bobcat
#

SO MANY HOT TAKES.
HERE IS MINE:
YOUR OPINION IS WRONG.
I WIN. BYE-BYE.

signal aspen
#

nice

royal thistle
#

nice?

signal aspen
#

nice

manic bobcat
#

Yes

royal thistle
#

my fastest shield time was a charge build with zeus shield

#

and I feel ashamed

signal aspen
#

zeus shield good

bright comet
#

chaos is very charming especially when i have chaos commentary during the whole run

manic bobcat
royal thistle
signal aspen
#

what

merry trail
#

Hello, what is the name of the object that the bosses drop ??, I have skipped the dialogue 😦

bright comet
#

it depends

torpid axle
#

HE WAS SO CLOSE TO DEATH

signal aspen
#

titan blood from the first and last boss, diamond from second, ambrosia from third

bright comet
#

titan blood, diamond, ambrosia

torpid axle
#

MY CALL WOULDN'T ACTIVATE

#

I HATE THIS GAME SO MUCH

signal aspen
#

nice

royal thistle
#

just..

robust scaffold
#

oof

royal thistle
#

get it

manic bobcat
torpid axle
#

now I have to repeat....1 heat bow...FOR THE THIRD TIME

royal thistle
#

anyways zag rail with arti attack and that one call replensing thing

#

is kinda funni

merry trail
manic bobcat
#

Just kd, what heat are you on?

signal aspen
#

um

torpid axle
#

1

robust scaffold
#

i assume 1

signal aspen
#

did you read that sentence?

robust scaffold
#

lol

manic bobcat
#

No like

#

What pact

bright comet
#

what aspect of bow

torpid axle
#

20% more enemies

royal thistle
robust scaffold
#

haha

#

dont take that

royal thistle
#

but like

manic bobcat
#

I meant what pact guys

royal thistle
#

which bow

unborn remnant
manic bobcat
#

Stop bullying

torpid axle
#

zag bow

manic bobcat
signal aspen
#

uh

#

why

bright comet
#

i have heard very nice things about zag bow

royal thistle
#

😔

robust scaffold
#

lol

royal thistle
#

got deleted

robust scaffold
#

nice

stoic flame
#

hera bow is pretty good

manic bobcat
#

All bows are good

robust scaffold
#

rama and chiron is good too

manic bobcat
#

No kap

bright comet
#

but hot take today is aspect of hera is the best

void vigil
#

keep it clean banne

royal thistle
#

rama is kinda not that good..

signal aspen
#

rama is good

robust scaffold
#

smh got my first 50 heat with it

manic bobcat
#

HOT TAKES

signal aspen
#

you can get big number

royal thistle
#

zag bow is the most universally good bow

signal aspen
#

and its really good for high heat

stoic flame
#

with the pos cast and hera bow

manic bobcat
#

I'm going to explode

royal thistle
#

it's always good

stoic flame
#

ez Ws

royal thistle
#

no matter the build

robust scaffold
#

rama has bigger number than zag

#

its just maffs

torpid axle
#

I really want to just quit this game but I bought it so I have to get at least 20h of playtime out of it

royal thistle
#

crit deal bigg damage

bright comet
#

festive bog that electrocutes and doing everything in the game hera is a free win

signal aspen
#

just use crit on rama

#

duh

robust scaffold
#

blue colour > crit

manic bobcat
robust scaffold
#

is it blue idk

royal thistle
#

I hope you get explosive fire with rama

void vigil
#

more enemies is the one of the harder pacts to use in my opinion, i play 20 heat and i dont use it

robust scaffold
#

^^

bright comet
#

you dont really hate it, you hate it because you love the game and care a lot

royal thistle
#

(who thought it was a good idea to make it possible)

bright comet
#

i mean to be fair, you have to start all over

signal aspen
#

i dont find js that bad

#

but i use cp so my opinion is incorrect

royal thistle
#

ok but best fists

#

this is prob the hardest choice

signal aspen
#

gilgamesh

manic bobcat
#

Everything is bad once you go high enough

void vigil
#

when i was just starting out with heat i used the pact that makes things more expensive and just didnt buy anything

manic bobcat
royal thistle
#

except of course chaos shield

bright comet
#

more enemies = more music = jury summons MAX

royal thistle
torpid axle
royal thistle
#

and only attack hammers

manic bobcat
#

Explosive Upper = 2x damage on special

royal thistle
#

yes

#

explosive upper is very cool

signal aspen
#

explosive upper is one of the best hammers for fists

royal thistle
#

I'd say rail but we all know eris is the best

manic bobcat
#

Breaching Cross though

signal aspen
#

yeah

bright comet
#

i used traps more damage when i started out until i got a little bit too friendly with elysium statues

royal thistle
#

there is no arguements about that

#

we all know

signal aspen
#

breaching cross and explosive upper

manic bobcat
#

Yee

signal aspen
brisk trail
#

ok i'm about to see thesues for the second time, how should i go about it? i have the fists btw

manic bobcat
void vigil
#

i take out the minotaur first

brisk trail
#

and the bull or whatever

signal aspen
#

kill the bull first, learn attack patterns, use the pillars to avoid taking damage, make sure bull is dead before you get theseus to his second phase, when you see a pink crosshair on you that means that theseus is gonna throw his spear at you, after he throws his spear he will turn around which means you can attack him, when he is in his second phase you should spend more time dodging the things he summons

unborn remnant
#

bull first

royal thistle
#

I kinda really like rush kick

#

you feel like ui goku

#

flying across the map

opal wharf
#

i kinda really like skully

torpid axle
signal aspen
#

bruh

opal wharf
brisk trail
#

well rip, having a lot of fun with them

opal wharf
#

Fists are awesome

bright comet
#

i focus theseus first but thats after learning the game so easy way to start is focus bull

signal aspen
#

fists are good

opal wharf
#

its my fav weapon they are so fun

brisk trail
#

but the range leaves a lot to be desired

manic bobcat
bright comet
#

fists are good

opal wharf
#

dont be like that, man

manic bobcat
#

The game gives you the most OP thing with every weapons.

bright comet
#

hold that mouse button, smash that spacebar, take the green dodge

manic bobcat
#

Your dashes. Abuse it.

opal wharf
brisk trail
#

i like this game

signal aspen
#

gaem bad

opal wharf
bright comet
#

yes, i never take more dashes

brisk trail
#

bruh what

royal thistle
#

charged volley is kinda

#

REALLY BAD

signal aspen
#

nah

#

charged volley pog

royal thistle
#

anything you want with it

torpid axle
#

@brisk trail no swearing, like literally not a single "bad" word is allowed

#

you'll have to get used to it

royal thistle
#

it's not available

manic bobcat
opal wharf
torpid axle
#

also

opal wharf
royal thistle
#

dash strike

opal wharf
#

oooooo

#

yeah

manic bobcat
#

On paper it's good

abstract anchor
signal aspen
#

and dodge chance

bright comet
#

the amount of near misses is insane

manic bobcat
#

But 2 dashes give yoy 2x i frames

#

Which is invaluable

torpid axle
#

@brisk trail there aren't really any magic strats, fight the bosses over and over until you learn and beat them, or if you get sick of failing endlessly just take the bow and actually have fun with the game

opal wharf
signal aspen
#

the mirror

bright comet
#

its the mirror

opal wharf
#

ooooo

bright comet
#

green instead of purple

royal thistle
#

2x dash is kinda really cool

opal wharf
bright comet
#

u never really need 2xdash

opal wharf
#

fair

royal thistle
#

spear overall is decent excluding the default one

bright comet
#

just get it from hermes, but if you get the hyperspeed sturdy one thats all you need

manic bobcat
# opal wharf bruh

They are a bit salty on the game. But yeah, there really is no magic strats but git gud.

opal wharf
#

im upset about the "take the bow and actually have fun" part

manic bobcat
royal thistle
#

bow grew on me

#

tbh

bright comet
#

i like the zagreus spear the most after trying out every one

royal thistle
#

once I stopped using chiron bow

manic bobcat
#

It's their opinion

#

Let it be ig

torpid axle
#

My personal experience aside, I have a genuine question

royal thistle
#

Excalibur is a cool sword

bright comet
#

i just cant justify taking it over the green one with the amount of near misses

torpid axle
#

Most of the weapons are melee and bow is range meaning it's safer to use. That safety should logically come at the cost of lower dps. So why then do I get astronomically higher damage with the bow than any of the melee weapons?

signal aspen
#

um

#

maybe because your builds on melee weapons arent as good

manic bobcat
bright comet
#

its rather the opposite, you risk more by charging your shots and therefore higher reward

torpid axle
#

Mainly the hammer upgrades, the damage boost they give to the bow is so much bigger than on melee weapons

manic bobcat
royal thistle
#

or requires less brainpower to build

#

since most weapons use both special and attack

#

except like bow which hyper focuses on 1 type of attack

#

for each type of bow

#

except rama

manic bobcat
#

Also you can't do this on bow

#

Fun factor is also a very important thing

royal thistle
#

yes

bright comet
royal thistle
#

excalibur is coolest weapon

manic bobcat
#

If you can't find fun in the game, you can find some other game.

royal thistle
#

if you can't find fun in bow

#

use other weapon

#

zag rail is cool doe

manic bobcat
#

Life is too short to subject yourself to something you don't enjoy.

bright comet
torpid axle
#

That's the thing, I have fun with the game until I reach the 2 axe idiots with infinite range(I'm pouring out salt don't care) and the bow is the only weapon that nullifies that

#

So bow=fun

bright comet
#

wait 2 axe what are those ?

manic bobcat
royal thistle
manic bobcat
#

I do be like that sometimes myself

royal thistle
#

wt u mean?

torpid axle
bright comet
#

but u still need to attack someone?

#

before chiron homes

opal wharf
#

dash is good to avoid melee hits

royal thistle
#

hestia rail doe

opal wharf
#

divine dash is even better

bright comet
# torpid axle bull and hades

they are easy with melee, just use green dodge instead of purple, smash space bar and left click (sometimes hold it)

manic bobcat
# torpid axle So bow=fun

Then keep playing bow :D that's totally fine.
What is not is thinking that you can only use bow to win the game or have high dps. That's is just not true.

opal wharf
#

dash spam go brr

royal thistle
#

but rail hammers overall are hit or miss

torpid axle
manic bobcat
#

My point is that don't offer salt as an advice.
Though you are right in saying there is no real magic strats.
The devil is in the details, y'know.

torpid axle
#

see

brisk trail
#

funnily enough i was just about to ask which iyo is the best weapon

bright comet
#

also, sometimes you dont even need the weapon
there are runs where Cast is absolute king

torpid axle
#

getting deadly strike epic for my starting boon

#

is fun

manic bobcat
bright comet
#

my first em4 was won by Cast

opal wharf
bright comet
#

with occasional cursed slash heal

manic bobcat
#

I'm partial to Zag Bow and Demeter fists

royal thistle
#

every weapon is good

brisk trail
#

awesome

royal thistle
#

except of course zag spear

opal wharf
#

i always play zag spear

#

cause i hate spending blood on spear

manic bobcat
# brisk trail awesome

Yeah this isn't a cop out answer either. The game is very well balanced (maybe except for zag sword xD).

royal thistle
#

I mean all the other spears are a lot better

bright comet
#

i really like the weapons that imply gameplay and not just simple dash and smash

#

like chaos shield

#

hera bow

#

poseidon sword

royal thistle
#

chaos shield is kinda smash brute force

#

doe..

manic bobcat
bright comet
#

nah, its a lot of strategic bullrushes and dashes back to throw five shields in a pack

opal wharf
#

i have a question

bright comet
#

really cool stuff

royal thistle
#

you'll like rail

bright comet
#

i dont like reloading

opal wharf
#

same

bright comet
#

when i get to honing my rail skills i imagine its gonna be special and cast focused

royal thistle
#

e

#

all the fists are gimmicks

#

ngl

opal wharf
#

so i have a question

bright comet
#

fists are there if u wanna just chill and hold the mouse button, zagreus aspect of course

royal thistle
#

fists is rushdown

opal wharf
#

yesyes

royal thistle
#

spam dash attack

#

mmm

opal wharf
#

about that

#

which is the best hammer

#

for fist

#

i like long fist

#

i never tried concentrated fist tho

bright comet
royal thistle
#

fists is weird

#

lets say

manic bobcat
# opal wharf which is the best hammer

Breaching Cross and Long Knuckle are both good.
If you are using Demeter fists, then Explosive Upper and Kinetic Launcher are awesome.
Honorable mention to Draining Upper.

royal thistle
#

all hammers are good except the life steal one

bright comet
#

even if youre having trouble beating the game in the beginning, weapons in the training room will glow with darkness to gain more darkness in a run

royal thistle
#

draining upper

#

just never use it

#

please

bright comet
#

its very cool

manic bobcat
#

it's good with demeter fists

#

not so much with others

opal wharf
royal thistle
manic bobcat
#

They are mediocre in my opinion

#

they are not bad

opal wharf
#

but the other are better

manic bobcat
#

just not as good, again, imo

opal wharf
#

yeah i get it

royal thistle
#

I mean draining upper is always the worst

#

option

#

2%

bright comet
#

oh yeah, the magnetic upper is fun stuff, but zagreus i still like better

royal thistle
#

you serious?

opal wharf
#

magnetic upper is pain

#

if you have the will

#

go for it

#

but i dont

manic bobcat
#

that's about 7 or 8 enemies

#

14-16% healing isn't bad

bright comet
#

its good for non boss encounters

manic bobcat
#

and the rats in styx

#

just spam upper

royal thistle
#

you could also just..

#

kill them with pure dps

opal wharf
#

spam dash attack

royal thistle
#

before they can hit you

manic bobcat
#

but then you don't have healing

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

bright comet
#

but you can fight

royal thistle
#

I mean you only need healing once a floor

manic bobcat
#

also, it has a niche usage in higher heat

#

because draining upper heals through LC4

bright comet
#

you have healing next to the keepsakes

manic bobcat
#

so you can actually heal on high heat

royal thistle
#

like bro just take collosus knuckle

#

sturdy is pog

opal wharf
#

collosus 😳

royal thistle
#

less damage taken

#

bye

opal wharf
#

hahahah

#

fair

torpid axle
#

YES

#

FINAL ARTEMIS BOON

manic bobcat
#

collusus is p SUS

torpid axle
#

at long last I'm done with my first god

royal thistle
#

not nearly as sus as draining cutter

opal wharf
#

draining cutter do be sus

royal thistle
#

it's always better then taking the immune to stun duo boon

manic bobcat
bright comet
#

colossus is good

#

but if its hammer or boon go boon easy

royal thistle
#

but duo doe.. you need to build towards it

manic bobcat
#

just use lightning strike + deadly flourish

#

no duo needed

opal wharf
#

im doing 69 per dash attack

manic bobcat
#

like this

opal wharf
#

life is good

royal thistle
#

;) reflect attack with pass flourish

#

splitting bolt

#

everywhere I go

#

I see it

#

😔 when your build becomes a zeus build

#

cause zeus won't leave you tf alone

#

yet arti won't ever say hi

manic bobcat
bright comet
#

artemis is insane with zeus