why
#h1-discussion
half zephyr
half zephyr
buoyant valley
I think it’s adorable when Asterius calls Theseus king
I know he’s doing out of respect but I can’t stop imagine him being like “yass king get him”
oak ibex
I still find it funny that Zagreus complains about Asterius calling him "short one" even though he is the same height as Theseus, who gets called "king."
And as a fellow short person, me too
pulsar ridge
Are they? I always figured they were just huge bros
unborn remnant
its not canon
torpid axle
HAHA
I just found the best charron boost in the game
aaand I can't send images in here 🤦♂️
ok the flame wheels remover
quaint wind
you can use something like imgr
pulsar ridge
Send the image to another discord server or DM a bot then right click and copy link
brisk trail
its not canon
Aw it isn't? L
brazen delta
Question: for the quest where you learn to play the lyre, how do you know when you've learned enough that the quest is complete?
It's been a while since I've played the game and I just recently came back to, I remember progressing the quest to the point that Orpheus at least taught me the basics, and when I play the lyre it makes pleasant short little chimes as opposed to the out-of-tune stuff it used to make. Have I already completed the quest?
nvm I'm a numpty, the quest is still listed in the fated prophecies as incomplete
buoyant merlin
idk how to progress that quest either
signal aspen
You have to interact with the lyre 240 times or something
And talk to orpheus a couple times
spark hornet
Tisiphone in less than a minute with zero damage using mostly ares dash rifts. OOF.
quiet lily
I felt like trying to beat Hades on a fresh file, and the rng has not been kind to me.
so
many
keys and darkness gems
so few boons
btw, is there any unique dialogue for beating Hades if you never picked up any darkness?
is a 0 darkness run possible?
unborn remnant
is a 0 darkness run possible?
most likely
signal aspen
is a 0 darkness run possible?
Yes
quiet lily
like, 0 darkness save file
signal aspen
Oh
quiet lily
yeah, so no mirror
quiet lily
I was just wondering if Hades had anything to say if you got to him and you never picked up darkness during any run.
cause in my fresh file experience so far, most doors are either darkness or keys
quiet lily
I'm kind of getting sick and tired of not getting boons within the first several chambers on fresh file.
I guess that's why it's not a popular category
signal aspen
Bruh in the first chamber you get an athena boon
quiet lily
but I'm not speedrunning, I'm just trying to do fresh file to see if I can.
I meant boons other than the first Athena
quiet lily
from my experience, it seems you can't get a boon right after, you either get a key or darkness, but you can start getting more boons after that.
quiet lily
I'm pretty sure you are guaranteed an ares boon
nope
it's just a smaller pool of gods
signal aspen
Weird
solid owl
buoyant valley
Lernaean Bone Hydra -> Lernie
oak fox
Bruh in the first chamber you get an athena boon
In my first run i got a Dyo first
manic bobcat
im pretty sure that is scripted to have athena first
maybe it's one of your later runs?
compact badger
There's a few Athena dialog pieces that say something like "Nyx reached out to me first among all Olympians."
high island
First run first boon is always Divine Strike, Phalanx Shot, Divine Dash.
oak fox
It May be my second Run or so yeah
jagged wedge
What's the max heat in the game?
jagged wedge
Goddamn, I don't think I'll be attempting that...
jagged wedge
That speaks volumes.
half zephyr
well, you only get 5 mins in each biome with all the other heats active 
jagged wedge
It'd be cool to see how a 64 heat TAS bot run would look
craggy vapor
TAS?
jagged wedge
TAS?
Tool Assisted Speedrun, where you basically use a program or script to accomplish maneuvers or techniques not deemed possible by a human.
half zephyr
meh, that would be boring
jagged wedge
Nah, there are some incredible speedruns done with TAS
craggy vapor
That could be entertaining to watch.
jagged wedge
They're theoretically possible by humans, but extremely difficult to do consistently, there are some absurd things possible by chaining these moves together. You'd usually see it in a simpler game—especially platformers—such as Celeste
half zephyr
but the fun parts of speedruns
is seeing people do it
not bots or programs
that's the fun part of any let's play really
hollow hawk
64 has only been done successfully seeded
Well routed
Its a huge difference
@jagged wedge TAS is basically impossible for hades lol
half zephyr
Well routed
I have only ever seen it be referred to as seeded so how would I know
hollow hawk
We already have routed
jagged wedge
The thing is, TAS runs are sometimes used to test what is theoretical possible. Sometimes, especially in highly-competed speedrunning games, people will take tricks performed by the bot and practice it until people get good enough to implement them into human speedruns.
hollow hawk
where you get specific rooms and rewards
TAS'ing hades is impossible because of the difference in enemies
You can never route where an enemy will spawn, or what enemy it will be
That will always have to be human decision
jagged wedge
Yep, that's why I stressed that it's usually done in simpler games, although I wasn't sure that it was impossible for Hades. Thanks for the clarification.
hollow hawk
You can route what hammers you get, what boons you get etc
jagged wedge
You can never route where an enemy will spawn, or what enemy it will be
Oh yeah... Hades is a heavily RNG-dependent game, TAS'ing it wouldn't be plausible.
hollow hawk
Rng can be manipulated to an extent by routes, but enemy rng isnt possible to manipulate
afaik
craggy vapor
What Pact do I need to decrease the spawn time of mobs?
manic bobcat
Forced Overtime
craggy vapor
Of course. Thank you
clear python
I havent played to Hades in a long time :^;;;
manic bobcat
I have a proposal for you
craggy barn
thinking of attempting 45 heat when i play this game again
if i die to heroes and not dad i'm gonna be pissed 😤
half zephyr
if i die to heroes and not dad i'm gonna be pissed 😤
I don't mind dying to Asterius - it's Theseus I don't wanna die to
I love him, but I love him cuz he keeps losing & his dialogue is hilarious because of it
quiet lily
I wonder how Ares would react to seeing a nuke blowing up?
deep pivot
I have a proposal for you
I'm listening 
deep pivot
I wonder how Ares would react to seeing a nuke blowing up?
I have the mighty need to ping someone but they asleep at the moment so my response to that would be... he wouldn't be pleased because that wouldn't be a fight at all, just obliteration.
manic bobcat
I'm listening <:blob_woah:668384906929504267>
Oh I was about to tell them to go play Hades but they left so I didn't have the chance to say the punch line
craggy vapor
Easy, Zeus/dio with arti dash
hollow hawk
do boonless giglamesh
though i guess it wouldnt be as hard with maim existing
or maybe, dash only gilgamesh, but with mistral dash
deep pivot
Mistral dash is awesome ❄️
I need to buy a pomegranate 1st 
Aren't they succulent fruits? 
torpid axle
Oh yeah... Hades is a heavily RNG-dependent game, TAS'ing it wouldn't be plausib...
Correction: TAS'ing ANY roguelike is impossible
or roguelite whatever
viscid cape
torpid axle
I'm probs gonna just go for all fated choices before actually tryharding to beat hades
if I don't beat him in the meantime that is
granite ether
Correction: TAS'ing ANY roguelike is impossible
It is most definitely not impossible, incredibly difficult to account for the high levels of variance absolutely but not impossible
hollow hawk
i guess you could make an ai that learns all enemy patterns, and knows where enemies can spawn in every room
make it pause at the beginning of every room to calculate what the perfect way to clear the room would be
(im speaking of hades here, not any other roguelike)
inner lava
Just got to the "Punishment Contract" part of the game and is it my imagination or am I getting less darkness?
signal aspen
with the pact of punishment you can get bounties again so you wont get darkness from the bosses
inner lava
Even when I use the weapons with the 20% bonus the rewards are still like +12 points per chamber reward.
inner lava
with the pact of punishment you can get bounties again so you wont get darkness ...
That could be it. It's a decent trade off I guess.
stiff musk
reroll and get the legendary again
robust scaffold
there is no reroll left haha
signal aspen
reroll and get the legendary again
stiff musk
there is no reroll left haha
get one
signal aspen
how do i reroll with 0 rerolls?
stiff musk
get one
signal aspen
nvm i cant get rerolls any more
i died
lol
i was actually close
i wasnt expecting that
robust scaffold
oof
signal aspen
i wasnt expecting to win
it was a random 45 heat run on my hell mode save
with em4
and my rng wasnt great
robust scaffold
its pretty good that u were close to winning
signal aspen
yeah
got him to his second phase
he started healing
and i tried to destroy some pots
but i stepped in one
and i have hs
robust scaffold
thats the third phase isnt it
robust scaffold
huh
signal aspen
the second part of his second phase
robust scaffold
its been so long
i still rmb back when i was playing em4 and my builds didnt outdps his healing
that was sad
robust scaffold
and i have hs
yea thats just oof
signal aspen
i couldnt do anything about it
robust scaffold
i was lucky that in my recent run he only summoned pots once in the second/last phase
good rng i guess
signal aspen
yeah thats pretty lucky
i dont get hit by pots that often
but everytime he summons some pots i get scared
the pots stun you for a long time
robust scaffold
yea
but with hs the pots should one shot u so theres no need to worry about that
signal aspen
yup
stiff musk
he starts healing in his second phase
he heals?
signal aspen
em4
stiff musk
man
robust scaffold
ask hades to take LC4 and he'll stop healing /s
signal aspen
good idea
obsidian latch
I was Today Years Old when I discovered that the color of the lightbar on the dualshock 4 changes depending on which god or npc you last spoke with in the steam version of the game
I have logged like 240 hours of this game in the steam version. I am losing my mind
high island
i couldnt do anything about it
If you have a Call, you can save that and your summon to burst through phase 2 part 2. That way, you can skip at least the healing in that part and also his summon there.
Hopefully.
void vigil
please dont evade the swear filter!
torpid axle
I wasn't evading anything I was censoring it
robust scaffold
lmaoo
void vigil
that counts as evading it, as the bot wont pick up censored swears. 😅
torpid axle
am I at least allowed to say the s word
void vigil
nope!
torpid axle
that's it I'm going to back to the enter the gungeon discord this ain't worth it
signal aspen
bruh
robust scaffold
indeed
thorny sleet
Hey there ! looking for a # to share videos about Hades, any channel here?
void vigil
you get used to it, not swearing isnt that hard
void vigil
Hey there ! looking for a # to share videos about Hades, any channel here?
#self-promotion perhaps?
torpid axle
you get used to it, not swearing isnt that hard
nice one
torpid axle
and im pretty bad at gungeon haha
I'll just say
I'd rather go through the entirety of gungeon with pistol only on turbo mode
than fight this bull
robust scaffold
seems like ur better at gungeon heh
torpid axle
the health pool and hitboxes of this bull are just
I'd gladly describe them but I would get 5 warnings and a ban simultaneously for swearing
robust scaffold
it is quite high lol, or its possible that ur build doesnt hv the right boons maybe
torpid axle
if I get lucky with the boon drops the health is fine
his damage output doesn't change on the other hand
robust scaffold
hmm well the more u practice the fight the better u should get at it
i havent fought minotaur without FO2 and EM3 in forever so i cant give too much advice on base asterius
void vigil
as you play more of the game, youll learn how to dodge his moves better. athena's dash always helps too
outer jetty
Hi there, along my run I encountered weird behaviour with a boon and I'm not sure it's working the way it's meant to.
The boon is Aphrodite's "Life Affirmation" and it doesn't seem to proc on Centaur Heart given by Thanatos when u beat the lad to a perfect match.
I haven't tried to verify this but it seems to me that the conditions are not so rare so maybe it's just designed that way ? Can anyone confirm ?
robust scaffold
yea its like that
signal aspen
yeah
robust scaffold
its the wording since its not really a centaur heart chamber
signal aspen
it only applies to room rewards, and i guess thans' heart doesnt count as a room reward
robust scaffold
^^
outer jetty
Ohh okay, as my game is in french, some meaning must have been lost in translation
Thanks for the quick reply
crude surge
but the first time you get it it drops a mecter
and that one isn't a room reward
and is still effected
crude surge
does sunken treasure necter get effected?
robust scaffold
idk i didnt even know it gives nectar
signal aspen
yeah i think so
crude surge
It's rare
signal aspen
idk
void vigil
i think it can even give a diamond? i could be mistaken
signal aspen
ive never gotten both sunken treasure and premium vintage
ive heard it can drop a diamond
but its never happened to me
robust scaffold
wow
crude surge
wow
signal aspen
wiki says 0.03% chance of a diamond dropping
robust scaffold
thats basically zero
robust scaffold
yepp
quiet lily
what are the odds of getting a food room?
I guess not much, since I think I've encountered it for the first time, or at least it's been so long that I've forgotten it was a room that could crop up
signal aspen
food room?
signal aspen
what
quiet lily
saw it in asphodel while doing a fresh file run
crude surge
Fountain maybe?
signal aspen
hmmm
crude surge
bit of a stretch lol
quiet lily
uncut venture
wh
signal aspen
tbh same
lunar orchid
hi
does the post rush bonus with the aspect of achilles only work if you hit someone?
like you have to land a shot
it doesnt just charge if you special
signal aspen
no you dont need to hit anything
lunar orchid
oh really
signal aspen
you just need to use the spear rush
lunar orchid
so i can do it before they spawn and have the 150+
signal aspen
yeah
lunar orchid
so just one special gives 4 attacks at+
signal aspen
yes
lunar orchid
someone said you could stack it
signal aspen
you cant
lunar orchid
maybe they meant the attacks are stacked
signal aspen
if you use the spear rush, use 2 attacks, and then use the spear rush again, it will still buff the next 4 attacks
the buff will not buff the next 6 attacks
lunar orchid
ah ok gotcha
i had no idea about the buffs till today
i like the achilles spear i just thought it was a beast
heh
but that makes alot of sense
does it only work with the bullrush? if i do the special and press recall with rushing do i still get bonus?
lunar orchid
also do the next 4 attacks mean the next four times you press the button or the next 4 attacks that land?
lunar orchid
what about dash strike?
signal aspen
they count too
signal aspen
same
crude surge
I want to give Guan Yu more of a chance
But I dont want to reset for charged skewer
wish there was a keepsake that made you start with a hammer
signal aspen
hidden aspect of spear
lunar orchid
o the one where your spin gives you health?
signal aspen
yeah
lunar orchid
i had a build last night with the sword that releases stones
with epic exit wounds leveled up
lunar orchid
you can do like 1000 damage
signal aspen
Imagine if the special was the one that restored health
it wont be good unless they increase the healing
lunar orchid
if you level up your cast too be like 160 and the exit 160
crude surge
yeah but at least it would be on a good move
signal aspen
true
lunar orchid
you think they will ever add more boons or weapons or anything?
cerulean ferry
Probably not
lunar orchid
lol nice name
with merciful end do i have to deflect something in order to activate doom?
crude surge
brrrrrrr
lunar orchid
oh wow this is gnarly
no wonder this is so popular
esp with battle rage and a defleting dash
charred hemlock
shared suffering doesnt make enemies suffer effects like hangover or doom damage right 👀
charred hemlock
ok thatts what i wanted to know
modern garnet
That's why you always take boons that increase %damage on rama atk
charred hemlock
ah yes that does make sense though i was going for like hangover and doom damage while i keep attacking with the bow. One time i had twin shot and well i think thats a big nono but chain shot is fantastic with it not sure about triple though
modern garnet
Yeah I've heard good things about twin shot if you can deal with the range
charred hemlock
not if you fight giant rats and those other things who want to poison you 😦
signal aspen
What
half zephyr
dash
and maybe special spam
plus some attacks
dash-attacks
I don't like bow, but I have started to come to terms w how to handle Rama
charred hemlock
those sartrys have the aim of a hawkeye one look and u get poisoned especially if u have twin shot
signal aspen
Uh no
charred hemlock
wait those triple shotting poiosn enemies
signal aspen
Just dodge the projectiles
charred hemlock
i think im mixing up enemies
signal aspen
Or you can use tidal dash and knock them into the walls
half zephyr
and if you have a good dash you get epic damage
half zephyr
Or you can use tidal dash and knock them into the walls
ye, tidal is good on bow & rail
splash dash forever
charred hemlock
i havent been taking dash boons 🤔
half zephyr
splash dash is best
modern garnet
Most dash boons will increase your styx survival rate by so much
charred hemlock
though my second rama run was awesome i had almost all of the hangover boons bad influence peer pressure black out curse of nausea numbing sensation
though speaking of rama putting tempest flourish on the rama special is so fun along with the other poseidon boons is so wacky and lovely to see the enemies get knoced around a bunch 😆
manic bobcat
I don't like bow, but I have started to come to terms w how to handle Rama
How dare you 
half zephyr
it's like you don't know me at all
craggy vapor
The armored Shield Heroes are by far the most frustrating enemies in this game
lunar orchid
which are those
craggy vapor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765292028618997773/852287612605562940/2021-06-09_15h46_31.png
Ah yes the best boon! 
craggy vapor
What is the ambiguity bonus?
signal aspen
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765292028618997773/852287612605562940/202...
Nice
craggy vapor
There is I currently have it equipped
craggy vapor
It does nothing
PERFECT
signal aspen
Yeah it's perfect
crude surge
its broken
craggy vapor
Oh I get it now... It's an ambiguous boon. How did that not click.
signal aspen
Yeah it's pretty broken
craggy vapor
I disagree but can understand the sentiment
crude surge
Zeus attack
lunar orchid
the guns ez
charred hemlock
there are other boons by bouldy like movment speed attack special
charred hemlock
dodge chance i think as well
warm charm
the aspect?
signal aspen
dodge chance i think as well
No
crude surge
Eris aspect is good
lunar orchid
sea storm with high voltage is so fun
craggy vapor
Alright, with Eurydice I've never really figured which choice is the best or the go-to? How should I be choosing her boon?
signal aspen
If you have a high amount of boons take pom, if you have a low amount of boons take ambrosia, if you are looking for a duo or legendary boon and already have the prereqs take nectar
It's what I do
craggy vapor
Thank you. I will be saving this
crude surge
nectar boosts duo chance?
signal aspen
But now I will usually take the ambrosia and hope that it will hit the boon I want it to hit, if it doesn't I'll quit and take the pom
signal aspen
nectar boosts duo chance?
Yeah
crude surge
But now I will usually take the ambrosia and hope that it will hit the boon I wa...
pp man is now hacker man
manic bobcat
neato
charred hemlock
@signal aspen ah ok just those then
sterile dirge
What are the easiest conditions to pick for 32 heat?
half zephyr
I found success with HL2+LC2+EM3+BP2+MM+UC+FO2+RI1+DC2+TD2
sterile dirge
All right. I'm figuring it out in advance, I'm currently up to 16 heat on beowulf shield
half zephyr
I also found success with HL2+LC4+EM3+BP2+MM+UC+FO2+DC2+TD2
crude surge
Well Beo doesn't like DC
half zephyr
with LC you'll want to use sd though
I was using max zag fist + max plume + ruthless reflex
crude surge
I feel like SD is always the play at 32 though
half zephyr
maybe, I only used it cuz LC
sterile dirge
SD?
sterile dirge
ah
half zephyr
LC isn't that bad once you get used to it
just really weird
and you gotta pay attention when buying stuff..
manic bobcat
It depends. You kinda need to build around it.
Personally I prefer something that is more self sufficient.
robust hound
i had it lvl5 i think, max rarity, and artemis thingy with crits maxed too
kind of a meme build
but hades felt it (?
robust hound
never tried it, i just bought the aspect right now
manic bobcat
Nice
robust hound
can u explain me the boosts i need for it?
manic bobcat
Basically Achilles special boosts your cast.
You special then cast. Usually reloading cast works better, especially if you can supplement it with extra from Chaos.
On cast you need Crystal Beam (duh)
And the rest can be Artemis boons to satisfy Crystal Clarity
robust hound
🤔 .
manic bobcat
Hunter Dash Deadly Flourish/Strike both works
The extra cast is the most important thing imo
robust hound
im not seeing any boost to the cast
with the achilles spear?
or its not with that thingy?
manic bobcat
See Raging Rush in game explanation also
Basically after you special, your next 4 attack/cast does more damage
open peak
Do I need to gift Bouldy Nectar to advance the story, or is that just to get the Bouldy buff?
open peak
not much of a waste for me, was fun seeing what buff i'd get
manic bobcat
Fair enough
inner lava
Okay, so what's the trick with the three shielded witches chamber in the fire stage?
manic bobcat
Just dash a lot, or get Divine Dash
inner lava
Unless I have a deflect boon, they just kinda spam their uninteruptable attack every where.
inner lava
Just dash a lot, or get Divine Dash
But there's barely any cool down to their attacks.
manic bobcat
Abuse your dash i frame
There is. Just don't get mentally overwhelmed
Also worse case scenario you can just tank some of the shots
I'm serious. They don't do that mucb damage
inner lava
They carved through 2 death defiances.
inner lava
Which is to be expected when there are dozens of balls on screen and dashing anywhere just gets me hit.
manic bobcat
Also technically you don't need divine stuff to destroy projectiles
You can just hit them
So get in close and personal with the witches if you are meelee
half zephyr
I just punch my way through witches
manic bobcat
I just punch my way through witches
This unironically
manic bobcat
But there is no escape?
stark oracle
the true ending
stark oracle
and i still dont see the resource director in hades chamber
half zephyr
have you gotten epilogue?
half zephyr
there's a quest for it & everything
half zephyr
but whats epilogue
get bonds with olympians & invite to party
inner lava
I just punch my way through witches
But there were three of them firing in wide, sweeping arcs.
It's kinda hard to dodge when they fill almost the entire screen.
half zephyr
that's the epilogue
stark oracle
i spoke to hades in the garden
half zephyr
But there were three of them firing in wide, sweeping arcs.
It's kinda hard to ...
and?
I don't dodge
I punch my way through them
stark oracle
what do i need for epilogue
half zephyr
you can just blast through the attacks with fists
half zephyr
what do i need for epilogue
I literally told you
make bonds with olympians & invite to party
stark oracle
oh ok
inner lava
you can just blast through the attacks with fists
Okay, I had fists. I punched through the ones in front of me.
Then the ones to my right, left, and behind me slammed into me.
half zephyr
then you just have to hand out invites to everyone you can
demeter is special & only need to get to locked heart
half zephyr
Okay, I had fists. I punched through the ones in front of me.
Then the ones to m...
you need moar attack so you melt through witch before the others can even attack
I suggest lightning atk cuz bounce
dio atk is fine
doom is neat if going for ME
you could get athena atk, but that's a waste for ME
inner lava
Alright, I'll see if it works next time.
But they seem to attack and fill the screen upon spawning.
half zephyr
I had seeking fast witches
fun
and seeking shielded witches
moar fun
and seeking teleporting witches
my 32 runs were full of witches tbh
manic bobcat
Okay, I had fists. I punched through the ones in front of me.
Then the ones to m...
play around the outside of the arena.
manic bobcat
or if you have access to companion Battie
you can carpet bomb the witches
there are guides on the internet if you just google
half zephyr
or if you have access to companion Battie
I forgot I had battie against Hades
inner lava
play around the outside of the arena.
I had a melee weapon with a short range cast and the outside of the arena has lava.
And their blasts can still reach you there.
half zephyr
I had a melee weapon with a short range cast and the outside of the arena has la...
use special
half zephyr
special on fist tends to have range or can pull foes in
half zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/852314376736079932/2rm...
I used special when I couldn't reach enemies
my go to cast was crush shot
inner lava
use special
I did.
Their shields proceeded to not care about my special and then they shotgunned me from three different directions.
half zephyr
and that's only semi ranged if I get the T2 boon
manic bobcat
I had a melee weapon with a short range cast and the outside of the arena has la...
brother if you keep focusing on how impossible the task is you won't see the solution
half zephyr
I did.
Their shields proceeded to not care about my special and then they shotg...
then go over lava for a few seconds to attack & go back onto ground 
manic bobcat
yes all of which you said are true. but playing on the outside of the arena (not the lava) alleviates some of the bullet hell
half zephyr
there's always solutions
manic bobcat
there will be some, but to a lesser extent
inner lava
brother if you keep focusing on how impossible the task is you won't see the sol...
I've beaten the room no damage before.
But only ever with the Athena dash. Every other time is just tedious.
The witches in elysium are easier to deal with.
manic bobcat
also if worse comes to worst, you can make a practice save file to only play that fight
twilit swallow
So I don't if I'm robbing myself of the full experience but I just sort of give up after doing a great run and die to ||hades at the end|| So i play a game on the side is that okay?
half zephyr
witches in elysium are messy
inner lava
It's the only room in the game I can't handle.
manic bobcat
So I don't if I'm robbing myself of the full experience but I just sort of give ...
do it however you like mate.
i rage quit isaac, deleted my 5 year save file about 4 days ago
half zephyr
and daddys summon witches are annoying, but easiest to beat
manic bobcat
yesterday and today I came crawling back
if you like the game, you will like it, if you don't you can play something else
twilit swallow
do it however you like mate.
i rage quit isaac, deleted my 5 year save file abou...
issac seems so fun but is soooo long
half zephyr
So I don't if I'm robbing myself of the full experience but I just sort of give ...
don't give up unless you have a streak you absolutely wanna keep
you get stuff for dying
twilit swallow
if you like the game, you will like it, if you don't you can play something else
I love hades, ive reached 62 chamber at my highest and i only did 14 runs bbelieve or not
half zephyr
access to new dialogue, maybe resources
twilit swallow
no god mode
manic bobcat
whatever you do just don't delete the save xD
twilit swallow
since the run is like an hour
manic bobcat
learn from my mistake
half zephyr
why so long?
twilit swallow
i tend to give up right after i die to ehem
manic bobcat
why so long?
freshfile bad run is torturous
half zephyr
freshfile bad run is torturous
eh
twilit swallow
whatever you do just don't delete the save xD
never
stark oracle
i had 2 duo
stark oracle
i know but my previous was 21
twilit swallow
max zag fist + max plume
i find the fists so fun and hard to use
stark oracle
so its at least sub 20
half zephyr
fist is super easy
stark oracle
i love fists
twilit swallow
fist is super easy
yea i tried it for 2 runs got to thesus and boom
half zephyr
22:55.47
twilit swallow
im gonna start tracking time too
manic bobcat
you should try 6x32 next
half zephyr
only barely better then bow
stark oracle
so u guys play mk or controller
twilit swallow
i specialze that
manic bobcat
worst weapon
you wound me
twilit swallow
controlle
half zephyr
my favorite is bow
that's ok - me & bow have got a mutual hate relationship
bow won't give me good stuff, I can't use bow controls properly
stark oracle
i would like to try controller but i sadly dont have one
half zephyr
bow is too slow & I can't use it like I'd normally do in games which is hide, aim, snipe
I prefer fist>shield>sword/rail
manic bobcat
do you use dash strike a lot?
twilit swallow
bow after couple upgrades and in elysium
manic bobcat
or just normal shot?
half zephyr
plus baby only has max zag fist
twilit swallow
chef kiss
stark oracle
@half zephyr mk or controller?
half zephyr
do you use dash strike a lot?
I try dash-strike, but it barely ever triggers
half zephyr
<@!162307945911025664> mk or controller?
switch
stark oracle
nice
twilit swallow
ohhh
half zephyr
so joy cons
stark oracle
im gonna buy hades switch for my best friend bc its a good game
twilit swallow
but i wanna give hades siwtch a try
stark oracle
and hes gonna love it
half zephyr
I've got hades 3x
stark oracle
wdym
half zephyr
got it digital switch, steam & physical switch
stark oracle
wow
manic bobcat
try hestia maybe?
half zephyr
digital is on my main switch, steam is never really used & physical switch is for my lite
manic bobcat
it's a more "streamlined" bow
half zephyr
try hestia maybe?
I've tried all aspects maxed
stark oracle
how much did u pay for phisical switch
half zephyr
trust me - I can say I dislike bow cuz I've tried it all
twilit swallow
LMAO
half zephyr
how much did u pay for phisical switch
uhm.. I don't remember
stark oracle
i tried to search
manic bobcat
i got hades on both steam and egs
stark oracle
they literally had one for 100 euro
and another one for 70
on amzon
im gonna buy a xbox controller
half zephyr
it's 349 nok at the online store, so prolly I payed around 400 nok?
stark oracle
nok?
half zephyr
cuz shipping
manic bobcat
nokia
buoyant merlin
does anyone here play hades
stoic flame
no
chrome wharf
? what is that
buoyant valley
I play zagreus 
hearty patio
I play zagreus <:squirtheh:456913427563282433>
can you play as other characters?
stoic flame
you cannot play as anyone else
uncut dagger
does anyone here play hades
what's Hades
unborn remnant
i heard its a greek god?
lunar orchid
spanoosh
you are zagreus
its the whole idea
your interact with your family as you fight for freedom
limpid quartz
what's Hades
Greek god of the underworld
crude surge
WHY is Hades
uncut dagger
HOW is Hades
crude surge
WHEN is Hades
lament night
WHERE is Hades
oak ibex
Well, I have certainly walked into a...conversation
manic bobcat
An intellectual one
oak ibex
Indeed
manic bobcat
That link doesn't work
robust hound
i would post a pic, but i don't have permissions D:
manic bobcat
i would post a pic, but i don't have permissions D:
robust hound
bully
which one is the best aspect for the shield? or the easiest one
Chaos or Zeus?
stoic flame
I like zeus the best
oak fox
Its up to preference ngl
Zeus makes it turn into kind of a spinning wheel of death and Chaos gives you extra throws after the hold attack iirc
I play Beo tho 
oak fox
I like Chaos the most but its up to preference
modern garnet
Zeus is good at level 1... chaos wants more levels
stoic flame
my chaos is just level 2 so I don't like it
stoic flame
Zeus is good at level 1... chaos wants more levels
^
warm panther
when things mention more attack damage does it also increase dash-strike damage?
I assume it does
hollow hawk
Yes @warm panther, but things that specifically mention more dash strike damage (such as chaos boons or artemis' hunter dash) don't increase attack damage.
warm panther
alright thanks for confirming
robust hound
encounter means room?
robust hound
the tanathos trinket doesnt work on the satyr thingys?
compact badger
Those are tricky. Only the last room gives you a chance for Hermes', I think for Than too. Whereas ||Blossom counts every room instead of only the last||
modern garnet
Well, you're not getting the most out of hermes or than unless you've been running them the whole run anyways
manic bobcat
yup that's why they are kinda bad imo
compact badger
Welp. 
was using Than's anyway
manic bobcat
plume and butterfly are bad simply because you can't swap
compact badger
Plume can get very fun at the end though, zooming around
manic bobcat
their values have to beat the combined value of many "one time" use trinkets such as god keepsakes, purse, acorn, etc.
compact badger
They're not as effective, but add a factor of fun and accomplishment 
manic bobcat
that's fair
warm panther
I FW#(AFH(& WON WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
compact badger
Well done. And do note that's more due to your skill than due to the keepsake's power 
warm panther
you prayed to RNJesus alot huh
robust hound
the what
warm panther
the god of RNG
robust hound
AH RNGsus
i mean yea
im playing some noob build i discovered for myself xD
the laser beam from demeter
is busted
robust hound
i got 3 runs in a row
oak fox
The Duo Boon with Aphrodite makes it even better
robust hound
i won the 3 times with it lol
oak fox
That or the one that makes it go faster but cant remember which boon was it
oak fox
Yeah the one that makes it follow you its the Aphrodite Demeter duo
robust hound
oh
oak fox
I used it for the Prophecy but it was busted
oak fox
Made it easier to hit and almost carried me throught the bosses
Even tho i prefer the one that makes it auto aim faster
oak fox
im trying to rush the prophecies but hermes is struggling
Same. I want my 100% achievements
What are you struggling with?
robust hound
The buff
oak fox
Im confused i dont remember any prophecy- oh, the epilogue one?
oak fox
Wait Hermes had one?
warm panther
beat the game and theres still so much locked stuff o.O
oak fox
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff yet
oak fox
On the book
Oh the codex
robust hound
That one
oak fox
Im refering to the Prophecy table but yeah
Try doing another prophecy and it May come out naturally
oak fox
The paper on your room that gives you quests
robust hound
Ah ye
oak fox
I mean im just translating the name for what its supposed to be. I play in spanish so it May get confusing sometimes
robust hound
Yo en inglés 👀
oak fox
But yeah there. I didnt know or Remember there was a hermes one
craggy vapor
All bonds forged baby! Let's go!
cerulean ferry
Good job!!
craggy vapor
Thank you! 
half zephyr
He doesn't spawn with the one i have left
If it’s legendary make sure you have the right mirror upgrade - Stygian & infernal give different ones
Also good to wear his keepsake (plume)
Also nice to have fated dice of persuasion so you can reroll his boons
simple thistle
thorny sleet
thanks @void vigil 🙂
robust hound
If it’s legendary make sure you have the right mirror upgrade - Stygian & infern...
Idk if its legendary. Good one
half zephyr
Idk if its legendary. Good one
then you likely just need fated dice of persuasion to reroll the boons offered
if you get the codex upgrade (if you don't already have it) you can check there which Hermes boon you're missing & the requirement to get it
robust hound
Mmm no, I didn't upgraded it
half zephyr
you should
robust hound
I do it with the contratist thingy?
half zephyr
contractor, yes
primal burrow
How are the Styx tunnels randomized?
Is it possible to clear one tunnel and be already done with Styx?
signal aspen
no
there is a 55% chance to be in the second tunnel
so you have to go through one tunnel, fight the enemies and come back to the hub of styx
and then you go into a second tunnel
and there is a 55% chance that it is going to be in that tunnel
thats all i know
robust hound
There is some kind of a guide about some ''''''''''easy'''''''''' high heat run?
signal aspen
there is a 32 heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
robust hound
I think i need 9heat at first
half zephyr
Just use some EM & FO & maybe TD
signal aspen
you can watch this:
half zephyr
The return of haelian
green maple
hael is so fun
signal aspen
nice
half zephyr
didn't use more then 1 dd 
signal aspen
nice
robust scaffold
what heat setup r u using lol
signal aspen
why did it take you 2 hours to watch a 20 min vid👀
robust scaffold
maybe he didnt take 2 hrs
signal aspen
why would you use lc4 at 9 heat
half zephyr
and im 100% sure i wont win with the 9heat thing
use what you think you'll do good at, and if it's over 9 then that's just fine - you'll still get the 9 heat reward
robust scaffold
why would you use lc4 at 9 heat
start early :)
signal aspen
good idea
robust scaffold
i started with HL5
half zephyr
start early :)
I technically did this
robust hound
why did it take you 2 hours to watch a 20 min vid👀
i was busy :((
wtf, my english just broke
half zephyr
only it was 11 heat reward? and I did 32 heat & died a lot
half zephyr
I did better once I did LC2
signal aspen
ive heard that lc4 is easier
pulsar ridge
I just did EM4 for 10 heat then upped it to 20 with random stuff
half zephyr
EM4 is fun
pulsar ridge
it is 
signal aspen
yeah its a fun fight
half zephyr
I'm only on 14 tho
I only got EM4 + FO + TD1
gotta up it again cuz it was a bit too easy
robust scaffold
but uve cleared 32 heat already
half zephyr
but uve cleared 32 heat already
ye?
robust scaffold
so go to 32 heat lol
half zephyr
I didn't have EM4
half zephyr
so go to 32 heat lol
why
robust scaffold
its more fun
half zephyr
and 32 is just the entrance to high heat
robust scaffold
32 heat a little too easy
half zephyr
I wanna still take my time & enjoy the game
robust scaffold
thats fine
half zephyr
and I wanna actually do what I'm really after
which is UNLOCKING THANS STUPID HEART
HE DIDN'T DO IT AGAIN!!
signal aspen
nice
half zephyr
I met him, he said something about us & then nothing
robust scaffold
i climbed 1 heat at a time when i started so thats a lot easier
half zephyr
I need to meet him again
half zephyr
i climbed 1 heat at a time when i started so thats a lot easier
ye, I'm that too
robust scaffold
gl lol
half zephyr
this 32 heat is on my baby file
on my main I'm doing 1 heat at a time - haven't gone past 13 there
I've done all the relationship stuff on my main too
I'm just annoyed cuz I wanna get all the romance chars to max hearts at the same time, but Than is lagging behind
robust scaffold
heh
half zephyr
I got 1 heart left for both dusa & meg smh
and Than just won't show up enough or do right dialogue
signal aspen
for some reason i havent gotten all the bounties for sword
half zephyr
you don't like sword
robust scaffold
i have so little bounties lol
robust scaffold
like 0 clears for everything but bow and rail
signal aspen
i should have gotten all bounties a while ago
half zephyr
like 0 clears for everything but bow and rail
I have clears on all, but so low heat & it's scattered cuz main file follows dark thirst
signal aspen
i dont follow the dark thirst
half zephyr
on baby file it's all 1 clear with all weapons I think
except zag fist which is the main
signal aspen
i never have
robust scaffold
same
half zephyr
I don't follow it on baby file
robust scaffold
im not thirsty
half zephyr
but it's the only way I'd ever use the other weapons on main file
and I do wanna use them all at some point, but there's no motivation
I think I'll go up to FO2 next time
maybe add BP for some fun variations
robust hound
how does the fishing thing works exactly? its guaranteed one fish per zone?
robust scaffold
u mean the poseidon legendary boon or what
signal aspen
Biome Chance
Tartarus 25%
Asphodel 10%
Elysium 10%
Hub of Styx 10%
Chaos 7%
Greece 20%
half zephyr
you can up the chance with Huge Catch & with the fishing lure thingy from well
robust scaffold
ye
manic bobcat
You are welcome
robust hound
how much max hp u guys recommend? 250?
robust hound
with a few of hearts and the upgrade that gives max hp after claiming darkness i get 200-250
average
half zephyr
hp isn't my biggest concern - I had 210 max during my last run
I'm mostly after dmg & such
signal aspen
you should have at least 200 health for the heroes fight