h1-discussion

[pulsar ridge]

until the novelty wears off anyway

[modern garnet]

if i had no school for 3 months i would have all achievements by now

[pulsar ridge]

I have all achievements on Dead Cells for that reason

Hades all achievements will probably be easier too

[buoyant valley]

pink power propelled me to all cheevos for dc

[pulsar ridge]

The color was definitely a major draw

but yeah, Hades doesn't seem to have a lot of challenge achievements, and overall, currently is an easier game for me

[spark hornet]

supergiant games are art

anyone play bastion?

[pulsar ridge]

I can't speak for higher heat though, I only play with EM4 on and that's it

My only supergiant game is Hades, know nothing about the others except the names

[buoyant valley]

I was thinking about buying transitor but I don’t really like action rpgs much

it requires to much brain power I don’t possess

[spark hornet]

oh lawd pweeze grant me the bwain powah

[pulsar ridge]

If I got one of the others it'd probably be transistor too

[bright comet]

spear special is super good if u get explosive launcher hammer for it

bow is easy to handle too

[modern garnet]

transistor is like hades but with a pause button where you look at the whole stage

[pulsar ridge]

So Hades but you can't turn off tight deadline

[buoyant valley]

ry what escape attempt are yo on

[pulsar ridge]

I believe around 65

[buoyant valley]

I’m on 37

[pulsar ridge]

[buoyant valley]

nerd

[pulsar ridge]

[buoyant valley]

jk jk I wuv u

[pulsar ridge]

have you gotten the ending yet

[buoyant valley]

I doubt it

[pulsar ridge]

yeah you haven't, if you don't know what I mean

[bright comet]

id say u want to have different mechanic on different attack
like say have weak afflicting dash and with poseidon attack who can also give a lot of bonuses to it
pair that with zeus to strike knockbacked enemies with lightning duo, or in general zeus has near miss dash support which doesnt replace dash
any non invlunerable calls are good

[pulsar ridge]

gotta beat up Dad 10 times

[buoyant valley]

Don’t you also have to have the Olympians have high hearts or something

[bright comet]

aphrodite greater call is good

[buoyant valley]

bc I just have them at 1 heart

[pulsar ridge]

That's the epilogue

[buoyant valley]

Oh

[pulsar ridge]

ending is just 10 clears

[bright comet]

also finally unlocked hypnos heart

[buoyant valley]

I’m probably at like 7 clears

I can check rq

I just have 5

[pulsar ridge]

halfway there then

Do you play with heat or

[buoyant valley]

1 atm

[pulsar ridge]

try EM

[buoyant valley]

I am

[pulsar ridge]

oh EM1

honestly EM3 is not that hard, I'd even say that EM3 is easier than EM2, for me at least

And it gets you a bunch of heat

[buoyant valley]

Does it just affect that boss or all of them leading up to it as well

[pulsar ridge]

all of em in order

So you get buffed furies, Lernie, and then the heroes with EM3

EM3 heroes is easier because Theseus isn't throwing his dumb spear at you until phase 2, and I can usually kill him during the phase 2 transition

I'd say just give it a try 🤷

[bright comet]

idk em3 definitely takes longer

without em3 u just focus theseus first easy

and on em3 u focus asterius first

[pulsar ridge]

My em3 fights are faster than my non em3 ones

[modern garnet]

why would you ever focus theseus first

[crude surge]

You always focus Asterius

[pulsar ridge]

I try to get Asterius to phase 2, and then Theseus to phase 2 while hes transitioning, before focusing them both

Usually works out alright

[modern garnet]

well, whatever works I guess

destroying theseus during his first call is definitely the best way to deal with his second phase

[pulsar ridge]

yeah

If I'm lucky he dies before or right after it finishes

[bright comet]

6 CASTS

oh wow

thank you artemis

[modern garnet]

hehehe

what cast do you have right now?

[open peak]

Saw a floating eyeball trying to rearm, but he was near a health item... now i'm just imagining a possessed gyro.

[pulsar ridge]

Yum

[bright comet]

i have zeus cast

it was normal hades fight but i didnt lose hp at all

i had artemis boon which damages enemies on dislodge

and last hermes boon i bought in temple accelerated it

so just dash around cast cast cast

[modern garnet]

sounds like fun

[bright comet]

it was

[brisk trail]

Did you have Flurry Cast and Greater Recall?

[bright comet]

nah

i had faster dislodge

and +2 to cast from artemis and +1 to cast from chaos

and +2% cast dmg from bouldy

[brisk trail]

Definitely what made the run.

[half zephyr]

@manic bobcat so

I maaaaybe didn't manage to sleep more then 2-3h

and I maaaaaybe wanted to play Hades

and I maaaaaaaaaaybe did 32 heat

on baby

and breezed through Hades

with the worst build ever too holy I got so many basic boons - and I don't even have that many boons

I swapped out 2 lvls of LC for RI1 like I said I would

much easier

[manic bobcat]

@half zephyr go to sleep lol

[half zephyr]

I didn’t expect to win!

[manic bobcat]

wait what

nice haha

<3

[half zephyr]

I had 05:04 left on timer

[manic bobcat]

epic gamer moment

[half zephyr]

Still took too long tho

22:55

[manic bobcat]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ a win is a win is a win

also you have time to shave off that 3 mins

[half zephyr]

It was much easier then expected!

Also

[manic bobcat]

congrats!

[half zephyr]

As a testament to how not fully awake I must’ve been it took me until styx to realize I couldn’t get ares cuz I had 4 gods already

[manic bobcat]

sleepwalking gaming
this is what peak performance looks like

[half zephyr]

I had divine dash & special & was trying to get doom attack but couldn’t get ares & then I suddenly realized I had Athena, Aphrodite, Zeus & Dionysus

So I grabbed Zeus attack in first tunnel & boom

Got the dio fountain one from tunnel 2 along with sack

[manic bobcat]

nice

take a screenshot of that

unless you quit already

[half zephyr]

I took a shot before I quit

Took multiple

One where I show bouldy & stuff & one w just the core boons

[manic bobcat]

nice

[manic bobcat]

I read this the wrong way lol

[half zephyr]

I had a 4% special bonus

Bouldy is fren

[manic bobcat]

hes a bit ambiguous sometimes

[half zephyr]

Tru

I’m just a bit shooketh that I won cuz I just woke up feeling like I had to play & so I did & then victory

Is this how it begins?

Wanting moar heat?

[manic bobcat]

maybe

[half zephyr]

I feel a bit bad about it cuz I haven’t touched any other weapon since I unlocked aspects

[manic bobcat]

take your time with that

and maybe take your time sleeping, too

[half zephyr]

Also - Than is a donkey

A big donkey

He showed up during my run, I beat him

I get back at the house & he’s talking to Hypnos instead of me

[manic bobcat]

he's ignoring you for beating him

[half zephyr]

Well I rather he didn’t beat me cuz I kinda needed his heart

Like

I got sooooo lucky

I had max260

And I had the patty boon plus a well boon when I was in styx

So when I died I got back 234hp

234 hp

I died so many times on pursues I got the death defier title too & still Athena only offered the replenish boon in the elysium shop!

Stupid Athena

[half zephyr]

I shall do this again now

May I sleep more then 2-3h!

[manic bobcat]

good night. and grats on the 2nd 32. good stuff

[half zephyr]

[oak fox]

I have finally did it.
I got the epilogue done

[manic bobcat]

nice!!

now time to grind badges

or do high heat

or just play however you like

ig

[buoyant merlin]

my backlog is so big but i can't pull myself away from habes

tfw you have to put 40 thousand hours in to get repeated dialogue

[manic bobcat]

yeah out of the dozens of games in my library, i kept coming back to like 6 or 7 of them.

[oak fox]

Im actually trying to get 100% achievements atm

That and finishing the Prophecy list

[buoyant merlin]

i only got that call achievement yesterday

the one where you use a greater call against the god you're fighting in a feud room

[oak fox]

Im thinking about that achievement. If i use Hades Aid at his fight, do i get it?

[maiden lark]

hi hi quick question if anyone knows i have given thanatos a minimum of 4 or 5 nectars and i try to give him more but he either issapears right after the chamber or he shows up at the house but hes talking to someone. im going to keep playing hope he shows up and i can give him more but do any of yall know another way?

[narrow hemlock]

You'll just have to keep playing. Those moments where he's talking to someone are instances of the dialogue rng tying him up in other discussion, is all. Eventually you're bound to get a moment to talk to him. As far as chambers, he only has a limited amount of dialogue for during runs, after which you won't speak with him again in a chamber and the rest of his dialogue moves to the House

[maiden lark]

aaah okay thank you for the info^^

[narrow hemlock]

good luck!

[maiden lark]

merci merci

[narrow hemlock]

I should clarify you will still get short quips during runs but like longer back and forth discussion won't happen anymore during a run after a certain point. But yeah rng will rng unfortunately so hopefully he plays nice sooner rather than later

[maiden lark]

yeah i noticed after a while he would just leave after i picked up a reward with no dialogue

ust wanted to make sure if this is normal haha

[narrow hemlock]

it is! :)

[steep elm]

do you guys prefer demeter or zeus special on chiron bow? demeter has that beefy damage bonus and chill is nice to stack 8 times at once, but i feel like a chain lightning build could work really well for it too

[modern garnet]

well for special it wouldn't be chain lightning, right?

it would be lightning bolt

[steep elm]

sorry, that's what i meant

[modern garnet]

lightning bolts get SO good... there's so many supporting boons and they all synergize with each other

[robust scaffold]

zeus special doesnt work on chiron

[steep elm]

how so?

[robust scaffold]

it only applies lightning once soo thats bad

it fires quite slowly compared to rail

[steep elm]

oh. yeah, that sounds pretty bad

[modern garnet]

Aw thats too bad

[granite ether]

Zeus' special has a single target internal cooldown of ~0.2 seconds so it procs on average 2-3 times with chiron special, not the greatest but not terrible either

[robust scaffold]

oh

thanks for the clarification

[jagged wedge]

Is the Aspect of Hera a little overpowered? This was probably the first time I've vanquished Hades with no Death Defiance usage.

[robust scaffold]

i have no idea

ur playstyle might be more suited to hera

[pulsar ridge]

or you're just getting better and/or had a good build going

[jagged wedge]

I'm quite confident that the build I was running was rather subpar.

[pulsar ridge]

It can't be subpar if you didn't DD against Dad

[jagged wedge]

I had Evergreen Acorn on, that may have something to do with it.

[pulsar ridge]

Acorn is good for dad yeah

It prevents like 100+ damage against him?

[jagged wedge]

"You fill Orpheus' mind with nonsense, he produces nonsense." lmaoooo

[uncut dagger]

on the contrary, I thought that song was quite nice

[jagged wedge]

Don't think I would've DD'd against him anyways, since I finished the fight with 188 health out of 230 or somethin

[pulsar ridge]

Then gj on the dad fight

I usually DD a bunch, but the EM4 music is worth it

[jagged wedge]

Yeahhhh about EM4... I'll try that... eventually...

[pulsar ridge]

its fun

Means I can actually lose runs

[jagged wedge]

"Alas."

• Zagreus to Hypnos

[uncut dagger]

do it

now
do it

/j

[spice wyvern]

Damn really fighting Hades for the first time and thought I beat him BOOOM second phase

[jagged wedge]

Yup he does that

Let's rename the game to Zagreus: Hades Dies Twice

But to be fair, Zagreus does have 3 uses of Death Defiance, it's not entirely unfair for dad to have one

[spice wyvern]

Yeah I only have 1 right now

Still saving up to get more

[opal wharf]

man i love this game

i stopped playing for a bit and now i got back to it

problem is now i feel like im only decent with the fists

but yeah amazing game

a shame its that cheap too

[jagged wedge]

I don't think the game's reception would've been so unanimously positive if it was sold at 60 USD, the price for a AAA release.

But I would've happily paid that price for what I'm getting with this game.

[opal wharf]

true, but it deserves it

[jagged wedge]

While it may be selfish, there are certain addition content that I wish were in the game, some Olympian Gods aren't included, such as Apollo and Hephaestus. More biomes may help mask the game's inherent repetition more.

I don't expect additional post-launch content, but it's fun to imagine what boons some of the other gods could give you.

[opal wharf]

imagination do be fun

[hollow hawk]

i think more olympian gods would only complicate things further. Though, yeah it is fun to imagine some of the stuff that Apollo could've had. More biomes would feel extremely hard for new players I think, the game is already frustrating as is

More biomes that can be unlocked late game would've been nice I suppose, maybe like a key that you can buy from the broker that costs a lot, but you get to then experience an additional biome entry from styx?

[jagged wedge]

How the hell do I have 5 bottles of Ambrosia

[austere forge]

I have a question regarding the aspect of guan yu...
I already maxed out aspect of chiron on my bow (which was far more than 5 titan blood) and have beaten Hades three times, yet achilles won't give me the key phrase

[spice wyvern]

Yeah that’s something I found strange why they didn’t make deadalus’ hammer just a hephaistos boon

[austere forge]

The list of minor prophecies i have aswell

[hollow hawk]

it needs 5 aspects to be unlocked

check the pins in #h1-story-discussion

[austere forge]

5 different ones?

[hollow hawk]

yep

i also believe they have to be non-zag aspects

[austere forge]

hm ok

[hollow hawk]

but not quite sure on that one, eitherway its better to unlock the non zag ones just to be sure

[austere forge]

ok

[hollow hawk]

well then they wouldnt be Daedalus hammers then would they. Also boons can be forced with keepsakes and rerolled with Fated Persuasion, can appear at minibosses etc etc

also boons don't provide as significant of a base change to your weapon, theyre just additional modifiers to zagreus or his attacks

[signal aspen]

nice

[spice wyvern]

Yeah that's true it is quite a bit different than a normal boon. And keepsakes could make it a bit too strong. Don't really know what fated peruasion is yet but I'm guessing I'll get there.

[signal aspen]

fated persuasion is the last mirror upgrade

[hollow hawk]

do you just like read the entire log of unread messages lol

[signal aspen]

yeah pretty much

[hollow hawk]

thats dedication lol

[signal aspen]

its what i do when im bored

but i dont really read all the messages

i just skim through and see if anything interesting happened

and shadow said that she won 32 heat again

so i said nice

[half zephyr]

[keen marsh]

Morning all

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

good morning

[keen marsh]

Hi again Sharow and pp 😁😁😁

[signal aspen]

who is sharow?

[half zephyr]

idk

[keen marsh]

Shadow. My bad 🤣

[stoic flame]

sharow moment

[half zephyr]

I still can't believe I did 32 with Hades

[signal aspen]

what are you talking about?

32 heat easy

[half zephyr]

ofc great god

[stoic flame]

the flex is unreal

[half zephyr]

it was easier then expected the 2nd time around

I did change it a little - took RI1 & took off 2 lvls of LC

since I'd only just unlocked the last part of the mirror I really didn't notice it disappear

BUT! because I changed it to persuasion first I get the correct dice from key rooms now

[signal aspen]

nice

[jagged wedge]

Bruh chill, I've only been able to do 6 heat, and that's with Excalibur

[signal aspen]

nice

[half zephyr]

don't mind him - he's the legend himself, the great god powerpuff pressure points man

[signal aspen]

yeah im pressure points man

[oak fox]

So just to be sure, do i need something else apart from getting all of the hearts to get Dusas bond?

[half zephyr]

lounge

after you unlock heart

ambro

then there's max heart

[signal aspen]

you also need 10 ambrosia

[half zephyr]

then the event?

nyx & dusa

[oak fox]

i mean i got all of the hearts already

including the ambrosia ones

[signal aspen]

you just need to talk to her more

[oak fox]

Makes sense to me, thanks

[stoic flame]

whats a good attack on zeus shield

[signal aspen]

aphro

[half zephyr]

poseidon for me

[signal aspen]

paired with zeus special

[stoic flame]

posiedon hmm

[signal aspen]

with any call

to get smoldering air

[stoic flame]

i already have zeus special

[half zephyr]

extra knockback into disc

[stoic flame]

i actually dont like weak

so i think posiedon is the way

[signal aspen]

poseidon works

[half zephyr]

sea storm

moar lightning

[half zephyr]

weak is good

enemy deals less dmg & with T2 boon they take more dmg

and it's a way to get legendary w charm

[vernal mulch]

i must’ve missed something—once you get a boon with a call, how do you fill up the gauge?

[half zephyr]

hit things

[signal aspen]

take damage or do damage

[half zephyr]

sometimes things hit you

[signal aspen]

taking damage fills it faster

[half zephyr]

there's boons that help with this

it doesn't stay past the room/chamber

so if you don't use it before fight is over then it's gone again

[vernal mulch]

ooohhhh

[half zephyr]

and you have to fill it up next chamber

[stoic flame]

welp i got aphro attack

but its epic so im not complaining

[half zephyr]

weak!

[signal aspen]

this is the best zeus shield build

[half zephyr]

good status

[signal aspen]

wait wrong thing

[half zephyr]

lol

[signal aspen]

i copied something

and then copied another thing

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/847191132496330822/Screenshot_279.png

there we go

zeus on zeus on zeus on zeus

[half zephyr]

nice

very nice

[stoic flame]

ah yes

[jagged wedge]

Second Wave has to be the most chaotic boon in the game, seeing enemies being knocked around the chamber like a pinball is fun.

[stoic flame]

i got offered all these boons right now

[half zephyr]

I'm jelly of your time

all your times

[signal aspen]

im too fast

[half zephyr]

your records

[jagged wedge]

What the hell is that border, around the your stats?

[signal aspen]

chaos border

[half zephyr]

tru

[half zephyr]

you can unlock later

[jagged wedge]

Oh, I see.

[signal aspen]

yeah

[stoic flame]

i keep forgetting to use my companion

[half zephyr]

only costs 20-25k darkness?

[signal aspen]

yeah 25k

[jagged wedge]

Let's be honest, Poseidon's knockaway boons are fun, even if they're not the best.

[half zephyr]

they are great at room clearing

[signal aspen]

they destroy enemies in styx

[half zephyr]

not the best agains't bosses, but enemies just perish

the normal ones

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/837741204858863706/Screenshot_199.png

shut up bot

[half zephyr]

dash run!

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/837741223346307122/Screenshot_200.png

[half zephyr]

only use for gilga

[signal aspen]

this is really strong

[half zephyr]

nice

[stoic flame]

em1 furies is so much fun

why was i not doing this before

[half zephyr]

idk

it's easy heat

[signal aspen]

just skip to em4

easy 10 heat

[half zephyr]

I got em4 now!

[stoic flame]

🥴

[gray dust]

Em4 is difficult

[stoic flame]

i happen to be a noob

[half zephyr]

one day I'll have to turn off 32 to do em4

I'm not that confident yet

[signal aspen]

my em4 runs havent been too good

on most of them i kill hades with 0 DDs left

[gray dust]

I haven't beaten a single em4 run yet

[half zephyr]

I got the easiest em4 run

[gray dust]

Haven't even gone to Hades phase 3

[half zephyr]

I had the drop down heads

so easy

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/851516336740106280/Screenshot_312.png

this was my best em4 run

[half zephyr]

nice

[signal aspen]

with the power of pp i didnt die once

[half zephyr]

beo tho

[signal aspen]

it was all pp

[half zephyr]

I can't use beo

[signal aspen]

beowulf is fun

[half zephyr]

I have zagreus fists

and 19 blood

[signal aspen]

get guan yu

[half zephyr]

nooooo

I'll have to turn off 32

[gray dust]

Guan yu is good if you have good chaos hp luck

[half zephyr]

I only know how to survive with zag fist + plume atm

[signal aspen]

i did em4 with guan yu

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/851479547316404255/Screenshot_307.png

[half zephyr]

and I kinda wanna do another 32 run

[signal aspen]

i didnt get heartrend tho

[half zephyr]

I mean, what haven't you done with GY?

[signal aspen]

64 heat

duh

it seems kinda obvious

[half zephyr]

ye, but that's the obvious one

[signal aspen]

i havent done 40 heat with it

[half zephyr]

just like I don't expect you to have done fresh file

[signal aspen]

i havent done mirrorless guan yu yet

[half zephyr]

new challenge

[signal aspen]

ill do it one day

[gray dust]

Does anyone know who voiced Bouldy for the game? I really like his voice

[half zephyr]

how would you do GY fresh file?

[signal aspen]

hack the game

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

or download some mods

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

it was sawcon

[gray dust]

I am pretty sure it was Ben

[signal aspen]

no

[half zephyr]

I had bouldy on my side for my 32 heat

[gray dust]

Ben Dover

[signal aspen]

no

[half zephyr]

I got +4% special

[gray dust]

Pogg

[signal aspen]

nice

on most of my 40 heat runs i had heart of stone

[half zephyr]

really though, I should probably work towards bonds

[signal aspen]

something tells me that heart of stone is broken

[half zephyr]

I got mom home but she hasn't even mentioned epilogue

most likely cuz the only O god keepsake I got is hermes

[gray dust]

Nah, it has a chance to give a small stat up

[half zephyr]

it's broken

[signal aspen]

thats broken

[half zephyr]

cuz you almost always win when you get heart of stone

ambiguous

[gray dust]

How big are the stat ups that you are getting lmao

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

like 2-9%

but thats broken

[half zephyr]

^

my highest was maybe +9% obols

that I remember

[signal aspen]

thats the highest boost you can get from bouldy

which is pretty good

[opal wharf]

Asterion

[signal aspen]

what

[gray dust]

You can see the stat up and their amounts here

[opal wharf]

wait what the boulder can talk?

[signal aspen]

yes

[opal wharf]

damn

i never knew

[gray dust]

Spoilers

[half zephyr]

Asterius?

[opal wharf]

oj

pain

[signal aspen]

yo thats not even his name

[opal wharf]

aaa

[signal aspen]

spoilers are allowed in this channel

[opal wharf]

the pain

[gray dust]

||https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Bouldy||

[opal wharf]

sorry

[half zephyr]

all spoilers welcome

it's in new player chat you gotta use spoiler tags

[gray dust]

Oh

[half zephyr]

read the channel descriptions

[gray dust]

I did, I just have bad memory

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

have you tried not having bad memory?

[gray dust]

lmao

[half zephyr]

[gray dust]

Hypnos tips

[half zephyr]

he's the best for those

I try to live by his advice every day

[gray dust]

Have you tried not dying?

[half zephyr]

yes!

that one

it's the best advice I got yet

[gray dust]

Death rate drops to 0%

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/848578636474089472/Screenshot_288.png

[half zephyr]

I made it through 32 heat with that advice

[signal aspen]

hypnos always gives me good advice

[half zephyr]

I tried, but we ended up talking with our fists

[signal aspen]

nice

[keen marsh]

||dose each region have a fishing spot? Or are they random?||

[signal aspen]

all regions have fishing spots

[gray dust]

Random

[signal aspen]

except for erebus

[half zephyr]

they do have fishing spots, but they are random

[signal aspen]

but yeah they are random

[keen marsh]

Thank you again 💓

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

Biome Chance
Tartarus 25%
Asphodel 10%
Elysium 10%
Hub of Styx 10%
Chaos 7%
Greece 20%

this is what the wiki says

[keen marsh]

🖤🖤🖤

[signal aspen]

i have dark mode on so i can barely see those hearts

[half zephyr]

don't black hearts mean death?

[signal aspen]

hell yeah

[keen marsh]

Sure dose lol

[signal aspen]

wait what

[keen marsh]

No wait...

Black rose is death?

Black heart is evil

[half zephyr]

oh wait!

black heart was emo!

it was sad stuff

my bad~

[signal aspen]

nice

[half zephyr]

but why have a black heart when you can get

[signal aspen]

what is that

[half zephyr]

korean heart

the finger heart

[stoic flame]

smh the tunnels

[half zephyr]

most commonly used by kpop idols

[stoic flame]

the run was going so good

[half zephyr]

I love the tunnels

[signal aspen]

like behind the scenes?

[half zephyr]

they use them to send hearts to fans

[signal aspen]

nice

[half zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/claraalves-kim-seonho-startup-jipyeong-korean-heart-gif-19206963

I should go back to trying another 32 run

[signal aspen]

i dont even know who that is

[half zephyr]

me neither

[signal aspen]

bruh

[half zephyr]

I just searched "korean heart"

[signal aspen]

epic

[half zephyr]

noooo

Zag is tempting the Fates!

[stoic flame]

umm when will skelly reveal his story

[half zephyr]

"What could go wrong?" are you kidding me zag!!

[signal aspen]

when he wants to

[half zephyr]

just do whatever he tells you to do

[stoic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-tired-sleep-so-done-field-gif-5233661

[signal aspen]

omg thats my favorite kpop boy

[half zephyr]

[stoic flame]

omg me too

[green maple]

Wait what why is fingers like tht a korean heart

Im a korean

[signal aspen]

wait you are korea?

[green maple]

Im not korea but i live in it

[half zephyr]

it's just called that cuz it's used often by kpop idols & such

[stoic flame]

smh

[signal aspen]

who is idols?

[half zephyr]

a lot of people

[signal aspen]

nice

[gray dust]

Popular hot korean people

[signal aspen]

like danny devito?

[gray dust]

Basically celebrities

[half zephyr]

I got epic ares attack

and epic pressure points

[stoic flame]

yeah just like 🅱️anny 🅱️evito

[half zephyr]

I need a throwaway boon

I got it

gah

I survived the trial, but stepped wrong when getting on the float & since I only had 2hp left the lava killed me

sad

[signal aspen]

F

[half zephyr]

that was a sad moment

at least Orpheus is singing

and I got dad keepsake

[signal aspen]

nice

[half zephyr]

ambiguous bonus 2%

and right after I got Than room

bouldy you help me again - I was hoping to get Than

[signal aspen]

bouldy is the best

[keen marsh]

Huge catch boon is pretty sweet lol

It activates way more often then I thought it would

[signal aspen]

huge catch is one of the best boons in the game

especially since it does nothing for your build

and it becomes useless once you have enough resources for things

[keen marsh]

Easy resources early on tho

It's pretty nice when starting that end game grind for stuff

[signal aspen]

i wonder how many times i have picked up huge catch

im pretty sure its 1

[keen marsh]

When it's the only thing given to me at the beginning of an escape

I didn't have much to choose from

[signal aspen]

yeah i know

its a scripted event

[keen marsh]

Ah

[signal aspen]

ive gotten huge catch once

and i won with it

[buoyant merlin]

What do you like to have your max health be at by the time you reach the champion and the bull

[signal aspen]

i usually go for 200

[half zephyr]

hmmm...

if I'm just doing a normal run..
120-165?

considering I do dodge runs I don't need the super high hp normally, but it is nice to have above 100

[gray dust]

Same

I go for about 300 on em4 and high heat runs, but most of the time I do 200

Huh.

What kind of maniac would go for stubborn defiance on em4?

[half zephyr]

the kind that just forgot that she had sd instead of dd

I'll try it & see what happens

[half zephyr]

hmm

I've got touch of styx 12 chambers, touch of styx dark 13 chambers & touch of styx 14 chambers

I think I'll be fine in styx

I forgot how easy this was when I'm not on 32

or maybe it's because of 32 that it feels easier now..

[gray dust]

Perspective illusion

[manic bobcat]

I guess you did finish one game, Hades.

[half zephyr]

well, I have tried 32 again

but I kept dying to stupid mistakes
or meg

meg is not fun with fists on 32 when I have next to no main boons

now I'm doing em4 cuz I want the music

[manic bobcat]

||The Unseen One|| is good and has its own back story, too.

[half zephyr]

I forgot to swap to dd though

so I'm doing sd EM4

[signal aspen]

dont get hit

[half zephyr]

I'll try

I feel ok though

I have zeus atk w jolted, splitting bolt & legendary

flood shot + sea storm

dio dash

I'm always getting my PS

got rupture too

[manic bobcat]

If you get hit, just don't die.

[half zephyr]

hmmm

no I'll die

I got meandusa

also

I'm on phase 3 with 3hp left

next run I'll remember to swap to dd

at least I got to hear a tiny bit of the music

[half zephyr]

yaay

I got to steal from charon!

ME

[manic bobcat]

Don't get wacked

[half zephyr]

I've only just made it to Elysium

[signal aspen]

who is ME?

[manic bobcat]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2Rk4JlNc2TPmZe2af99d45?si=HxMR8s-5TC-Au4QZhpAv4Q&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

This

[signal aspen]

oh nice

[half zephyr]

I got second wave

with floodshot

[signal aspen]

perfect

[manic bobcat]

So you have 400G

P good still

[half zephyr]

I got all 3 event rooms I think

ooh

calculated risk

[signal aspen]

epic

[half zephyr]

tfw you take out EM3 Asterius w/o taking dmg

just a constant flood of "near miss" and "dodged"

and a couple "deflected" since it's ME w divine dash

[signal aspen]

I rerolled an artemis three times and i got mirage shot all three times

but i am looking for heartrend

[half zephyr]

[cerulean ferry]

Rng pain

[half zephyr]

curse of nausea!

well

it's the most useless duo to get right now, but sure - exclusive access!

this might be a stupid mistake, but I need it for prophecy anyways - curse of drowning!

hahahahha

curse of drowning worked perfectly with melee!

EM4+FO1 - 18:21.13

neat

and I got a fishing spot

lol

I had 2 legendaries & 5 duos

[signal aspen]

imagine getting only 5 duos

[half zephyr]

I'm happy with it

I think legacy is at 5%

or whatever gave duo/legendary chance again

[signal aspen]

yeah its gods legacy

[half zephyr]

I just got the perfect combo of gods for me this time I guess

for duos

now I just need to hunt down Than

[sick socket]

So hmm i have to share it i guess

The first thing i bought with my money https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716429635457384558/851858459519483924/IMG20210608181916.jpg

[cerulean ferry]

Nice

[signal aspen]

epic

[sick socket]

Already own the game on steam but it's one of the best game i ever played and I'm more of a console user so. : D

[half zephyr]

neat

[quiet lily]

question about the hidden weapon aspects, why does the adamant rail have the aspect that it does?

surely a mythology could have been drawn from instead of a name from a religion.

[hollow hawk]

@quiet lily What do you mean..?

Lucifer is from a religion, Christianity

Rama is also from a religion

[quiet lily]

well it's just that other hidden aspects drawn from mythologies.

[hollow hawk]

All the hidden aspects are from different culturee

Cultures

and some belong to religions

[quiet lily]

seems kind of odd to draw from mythologies and 1 religion

[hollow hawk]

2

Hinduism

And Christianity

Its not really odd, its just that some cultures coincide with their respective prominent religions. I don't see anything wrong with that

[manic bobcat]

Isn't Gilgamesh from a pagan tradition also?

GY is some kind of deity hero in China

[hollow hawk]

I suppose yeah he was considered a demigon right?

honestly you could probably link most to a religion

[manic bobcat]

Or a culture

[hollow hawk]

beowulf was considered a demigod too iirc

but my knowledge on nordic culture isnt too proficient

[quiet lily]

at least from what I understand, it's all eastern hemisphere mythologies and a religion, I wonder why they went with Christianity instead of say Egyptian Mythology.

[manic bobcat]

Was Beowulf Nordic? I thought it was more Mesotapomia

[hollow hawk]

its two religions, again

Rama is the form of a god from Hinduism

Source:am hindu

[quiet lily]

I don't even think it would be mechanically different, aspect of Ra could still be a laser beam

[manic bobcat]

Nvm I'm stupid, Beowulf is Germanic

[hollow hawk]

I've always seen beowulf depicted with viking helmets and armor

Huh

[manic bobcat]

Yeah I see your point, we have Arthur and Lucifer which is arguably from the same tradition. But it doesn't bother me too much.

The "why didnt they do this instead of that" is a slippery slope imo

Sometimes the answer is just "because they wanted to"

[hollow hawk]

They've said in interviews that it was hard to pick

They just had a really long list, and either aspect could be submitted with any other that didn't get included from the list

[quiet lily]

I just wasn't a huge fan of how they framed the story behind that aspect for the adamant rail, like a son who rebelled rather than a creation that rebelled.

[manic bobcat]

I don't follow

[quiet lily]

well he was an angel, not a sibling to Jesus.

[manic bobcat]

Did the game even mention Jesus?

Cause I don't recall

[quiet lily]

it didn't but refered to lucifer as someone who rebelled against "his all-powerful father"

[manic bobcat]

I am not Greg so I won't pretend that this is his real intent, but this is how I read that line:
The context of that quote is from Zeus telling Zagreus about the aspect. In all of the game, the Greek Gods have murky ideas about entities outside of their Pantheon. Arthur was referred to as some king in the future, the same can be said about Gilgamesh, Guan Yu, etc. It is not strange to me that Zeus refer to Lucifer in the same, a very generalized idea of the character. Also, it makes sense to me that Zeus relate to Lucifer especially on the "rebel against a higher entity stuff." Zeus and many many gods rebelled against their father(s), so Zeus might think Lucifer is the same.

And, technically "all-powerful father" is still correct.

As for the sibling with Jesus thing, I think that's not the correct understanding of the Trinity.

God and Jesus, the Son of God (and the Holy Spirit) is one and the same.

[quiet lily]

I know it's not, that was what seemed like a problem with the game's explanation

lucifer was just an angel before his fall

[manic bobcat]

yup, that he was

[quiet lily]

I guess that could be how Zeus understands it in a vague idea

[manic bobcat]

his name is Light Bringer

[quiet lily]

I don't know how accurate the other hidden aspects are to their respective stories, though I wonder if other oddities like that are among them as well or if was just the gun aspect.

[half zephyr]

exactly what do you think mythology is..?

mythology is just old religion

[manic bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/851873270763880498/unknown.png

i don't recall them telling you more than this about luci also

or was it in a flavor text from zeus in random run?

[quiet lily]

I got that text from the list of prophecies.

[manic bobcat]

Good find

[quiet lily]

as far as I understood it, a religion becomes a mythology when it's ancient and no longer being practised.

[half zephyr]

so, mythology was once religion

[quiet lily]

specifically the one about getting it to the Hades fight.

[half zephyr]

and as such it is all in some way or form religion

[quiet lily]

I feel like there's a bit of a difference between say adding in something like Beowulf, which is from a religion that isn't being practised afaik, and using a name from an active religion while also having in-game text saying it's a father-son rebellion, putting said figure in a position that was never his.

it just seems like an odd alteration to make

especially when it could be argued that a myth with Christianity as part of the story is already represented with the aspect of Arthur.

at least if the player already knows the story.

[half zephyr]

Lucifer was used before christianity too though

[stoic flame]

I don't think this is correct

because hindu mythology is a thing

[half zephyr]

yes, it's that Luci there, but

[stoic flame]

and the religion exists

[half zephyr]

aah, tru

[quiet lily]

idk about you, but if you told me the weapon aspect was based on Ra and the characters made some reference to his nightly journey through the underworld and how that's similar to Zagreus's struggle and told me the avian design of Zagreus's aspect was meant to be foreshadowing the birdheaded figure's aspect, I would have believed you.

[half zephyr]

what

zag doesn't even know what a bird is

[quiet lily]

he wouldn't need to know what a bird is to have made that work?

[half zephyr]

I'm happy we didn't go with epyptian

it's been overdone

and I love egyptian mythology

plus it's kinda fitting that on one side we have arthur & the divine/holy excalibur & on the other we got Luci

[buoyant valley]

I’m having one of those days rn
none of my attempts today have made it out of styx

[pulsar ridge]

Save your summon uses for Styx if it's an issue

[buoyant valley]

don’t have any summons

[pulsar ridge]

oof

How close are you to getting one

[buoyant valley]

I’m close to getting Achilles I think

I’m at the locked heart

[pulsar ridge]

Megs the easiest to get imo

don't have to buy anything, just keep gifting stuff to her

[buoyant valley]

I would have hers by now but, she never shows up

I’ve haven’t seen her in like 7 runs

[half zephyr]

I need Than

whenever he shows up he just wants to talk to hypnos instead of me back at the house

so annoying

[pulsar ridge]

you can always do some throwaway runs to get her to show up more often

[stoic flame]

this is true

[half zephyr]

I have dusa at 1 heart left

and meg at 1 heart left

I need Than so I can UNLOCK HIS HEART!!

and he just

gaah

[manic bobcat]

Romance in my Greek mythology game?

Ew

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

gross

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

why is that squirrel holding a door

[half zephyr]

it's a baby chick holding a gun

[signal aspen]

no its a squirrel holding a door

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

wait im dumb

thats a horse

and thats not a door

thats a toilet

[manic bobcat]

where is this conversation heading lol

[signal aspen]

idk

[manic bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/851885427841040474/unknown.png

mods are asleep

discuss the real Hades

[signal aspen]

who is hades

[manic bobcat]

also Meg was my cursh

[crude surge]

OH NO

[manic bobcat]

oh no

[crude surge]

HERE THEY COME

[quaint wind]

please

[signal aspen]

no

[half zephyr]

[quaint wind]

stay on topic

[crude surge]

HIDE EVERYONE

[signal aspen]

ok

[half zephyr]

my fave was Hades

[manic bobcat]

which one

[half zephyr]

🔥

idk, I tend to like villains

they're fun

[crude surge]

Hades is a good villain in that movie

[quaint wind]

on topic folks

[crude surge]

You really gotta feel for him

[quaint wind]

#tv-and-movies

[manic bobcat]

why does Zagreus cross the river of Styx?

[crude surge]

why does he

[half zephyr]

To get to the other biome?

[crude surge]

to get away from his abusive dad?

[half zephyr]

His dad is a good dad

He just struggles sometimes

[manic bobcat]

agree to disagree there

[half zephyr]

EM4 is proof he loves you!

[crude surge]

After the epilogue yes

but before not at all

[half zephyr]

He didn’t have a great role model

His dad ate him

[hollow hawk]

Zagreus crosses the river because he is the god of blood

It is his domain

His crossing shows his dominance and absolute authority

[half zephyr]

Meh

Weak

[crude surge]

why not just T pose tho

[hollow hawk]

He bathes in it to show that he is not afraid to act within his dominion, to be seen mingling with his subjects

[manic bobcat]

it makes sense that he crosses the river because most trash irl ends up in a water stream somewhere

[half zephyr]

He crosses the styx to tease Than

Thans got that whole rivalry thing going on

[hollow hawk]

He crosses the Phlegethon to literally flex on the bombers who cant get on the boats

And to ask lernie if he's doing okay

[crude surge]

"HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS"

[half zephyr]

no

[manic bobcat]

imagine if lernie can talk

[half zephyr]

he goes to lernie to kill them

poor lernie

[crude surge]

poor learnie

[half zephyr]

I'm still happy I got my revenge tho

[crude surge]

he has a familly you know

[half zephyr]

they

[crude surge]

they

[signal aspen]

who is they?

[half zephyr]

Lernie

[signal aspen]

oh nice

[half zephyr]

oh ye, Lernie is Lernie now

so I've got to start not dying to Lernie again

[crude surge]

Why die to Lernie when you can just let him take all your DD and leave you at one health

that way you get to experience the pain of flame wheels first

[signal aspen]

why die to lernie when you can just uninstall hades?

[half zephyr]

delete

[crude surge]

I'm about to do whats called a pro gamer move

[half zephyr]

I can't uninstall but I can delete

[signal aspen]

that works too

[half zephyr]

I could also just remove the game cartridge

[manic bobcat]

just smash your switch in half

[half zephyr]

shudder

no

that's a step too far

[cloud obsidian]

today i encountered hades for the first time

[signal aspen]

or you can reject humanity and return to monke

[signal aspen]

nice

[cloud obsidian]

thought i killed him

[half zephyr]

congrats

[signal aspen]

oh

[cloud obsidian]

when suddenly he was full hp

[manic bobcat]

who?

[half zephyr]

aah, 2nd phase

[cloud obsidian]

aaah yes ;-;

[signal aspen]

yeah

[half zephyr]

good luck next time

[pulsar ridge]

you get DDs, so does he, it's only fair

[half zephyr]

this is the spoiler heavy channel btw

[cloud obsidian]

that bastard two shot me lmao

damn daniels

[half zephyr]

if you wanna be mostly spoiler free then go to #h1-for-new-players - just remember to read channel description

[cloud obsidian]

okok thx :))

[signal aspen]

aquaman drowns in hades

[manic bobcat]

Hades has 5 phases in total, the last phase you also need to kill Cerberus.

[signal aspen]

oops

[manic bobcat]

Then you enter a quick time event to chop off the head you pet

[half zephyr]

I would

[manic bobcat]

it's kinda bad, but I like how SGG doesn't pull any punches in the game

[crude surge]

then win a coin flip

[half zephyr]

I would chop the head off

maybe I'd get a new pet

[cloud obsidian]

if i kill cerberus im a beach

[half zephyr]

fitting

[signal aspen]

||well, cerberus can kill you||

[half zephyr]

a female dog killing cerb

don't worry

cerbs got 3 heads

he can survive losing one

[signal aspen]

make sure you dont cut off the head that lets you pet him

[manic bobcat]

once you wake up on the surface, you suddenly becomes bald with red tatoo all over your body

[half zephyr]

and maybe you get a new pet dog head

[cloud obsidian]

oh no

[half zephyr]

floating around like dusa

now I kinda wish I did have that

[crude surge]

Cerb eventually learns from Lernie how to grow heads back

[half zephyr]

that would be fun

[manic bobcat]

lernie is just abandoned cerb

[half zephyr]

I love Lernie more then Cerb

[signal aspen]

no lernie is a bone hydra you idot

[half zephyr]

I would ditch Cerb in a heartbeat if I could pet & snuggle Lernie

[crude surge]

how dare you

[half zephyr]

I like snakes more then dogs

[crude surge]

blasphemy

[signal aspen]

no

[uncut dagger]

alright so your opinion is invalid forever, nice

[half zephyr]

would've thought the snake next to my name was a good indication

[crude surge]

blocked 😤 😤 😤

[signal aspen]

no

[crude surge]

as invalid as an anime pfp

[uncut dagger]

yes

[crude surge]

dog supremecy

[half zephyr]

my pet rank list is like..
Snake>Spider>Cats>Dogs

[uncut dagger]

because as Sonic Says
"if your profile picture is from an anime, your opinion doesn't count"

[crude surge]

🐶

[half zephyr]

Lernie is adorable

[uncut dagger]

Spiders?
man you got some weird opinions
good thing they don't count

[signal aspen]

a bone hydra is not the same thing as a normal snake

[half zephyr]

no, Lernie is even BETTER

so many snek

dogs are just too needy

[uncut dagger]

too much snek

I'm sorry it's just too much

[half zephyr]

I want my independent animals!

they cute

[uncut dagger]

Cerb cute

[half zephyr]

the cutest thing about a dog is puppy stage & puppy ears

after that it's just eh

[manic bobcat]

o.o

[signal aspen]

what

[manic bobcat]

hot take

[half zephyr]

[uncut dagger]

clearly you've never owned a Dog 👀

[half zephyr]

nope, my aunt did

that's how I know I'm not a dog person

we grew up together

me & that dog

loved her to bits but I never wanna own one ever

now I adore cerb cuz he's Cerberus

but beyond that it's

Lernie is way cuter

[signal aspen]

how

lernie literally killed you many times

and you still think they are cute

[half zephyr]

and?

the deadlier they are the cuter they get

[crude surge]

lernie is just a pile of bones

[uncut dagger]

well then by that point I think Cerb is the cutest

Zag doesn't even TRY to fight Cerb

[crude surge]

cerb has adorable eyes ears and you can pet him

[manic bobcat]

favorite fish?

[half zephyr]

shark

[manic bobcat]

i mean in game

[crude surge]

lol

[manic bobcat]

but duly noted

[half zephyr]

voidskate?

[crude surge]

I mean

[manic bobcat]

nice

same

voidskate then scylacion

[crude surge]

shark isn't suprising coming from shadow

[signal aspen]

i like scuffers

[manic bobcat]

or however that thing is spelt

[signal aspen]

they cute

[half zephyr]

scyllascion

[half zephyr]

[crude surge]

voidskate

[manic bobcat]

there are many types of shark also

[crude surge]

that or scuffer

[half zephyr]

I like voidskates, flameaters, seamare

[manic bobcat]

flameater is meh

i don't like any of the asphodel fish

[crude surge]

I didn't know certain fish gave you certain rewards

[uncut dagger]

yeah

take the fish from the surface, for example

[crude surge]

thought it was just luck when I got ambrosia

[uncut dagger]

ah

[crude surge]

lol

[half zephyr]

megalodon>great white>tiger>blacktip reef>bull>

[manic bobcat]

you need legendary fish to have good rewards

[half zephyr]

I like it cuz it's good big mouth to chomp on others

[manic bobcat]

as in you need to not fall for the fake baits and time your fishing right

[half zephyr]

Scyllascion is cute tho

same w Projelly

[manic bobcat]

i liked projelly then i stop liking it