h1-discussion

[humble lotus]

Achilies can be okay

[pulsar ridge]

Achilles is fun for me, since I like zooming around

[humble lotus]

I mainly use it for not the intended stratigy

I use it more as a run away then an aproach

[pulsar ridge]

It's nice mobility for both

[humble lotus]

Also i just unlocked the final heart i needed for max bonds

I just need to actualy encounter another boon from them

[pulsar ridge]

I only have max bond with Meg lmao

just got it a run ago

[humble lotus]

I just have 1 heart from aphrodite left

Because it was locked behind getting all the romance ones done

And 1 of them is extremely slow

[fleet void]

apparently aspect of chaos is the worst aspect on aegis..?

[humble lotus]

Its not that bad

Well once its upgraded

[severe shuttle]

Hades won a Nebula award - https://nebulas.sfwa.org/sfwa-announces-56th-annual-nebula-award-winners/

[pulsar ridge]

RNG has blessed me

Last 3 runs, satyr sack in the 2nd room of styx

[robust scaffold]

nice

[humble lotus]

Dang it

I got a great run only to die to hades

[pulsar ridge]

same 😔

it was so dumb how I died

got caught by the vases in phase 2 just as his laser started and just took the phase 2 omnilaser beam straight to the face

[oak ibex]

I just finished two runs on Hades. Man, I love this game so much. Especially the story aspect, but that part is because I am a literary nerd, though I think I mentioned that here briefly, haha

[pulsar ridge]

The story is what makes me not care if I die

"oh cool I can talk to Achilles about Patroclus now, and max out my bond with Cerberus"

[humble lotus]

Is it just me or is doom just not that good?

Like yeah its free damage but its medoicre damage

[stoic flame]

I keep getting caught on that dumb spear spin attack

[craggy vapor]

Dash but don't attack. iframes baby

[oak ibex]

God, I could go on about how much I love the unique storytelling of this game, but I suppose that is a conversation reserved for #h1-story-discussion

[humble lotus]

Can i say i kindof wish some weapons got unique effects for certain boons

I get why they dont but i wish they did

Mainly stuff like think about how cool it would be for if you used the spinn attskc on the spear it would spawn a stationary blade rift there afterwards

[oak ibex]

Any Hadestown fans? Lowkey wonder what Zagreus and the rest of our Hades gang would be like in that universe.

As for the characters that already appear in both the game and the musical (Orpheus, Eurydice, Hades, Persephone, and Hermes), I think it would be interesting to mix both versions into one or something.

[jagged wedge]

Artemis' call is positively overpowered... in a good way, I guess?

For reference, I had Epic Artemis' Aid Level 5, with the +15% crit. damage, if my math isn't off, using Greater Call with that set up would do 5106 damage. 222 (one arrow) * 10 arrows (Greater Call bonus) + 666 (15 percent damage bonus from another boon) = 5106

It took like half of phase 2 Hades' health bar

Ok, that's exaggerating, dad has like 17,000 health per phase, but still, that's a lot!

[robust scaffold]

yea its strong with more crit synergies since crit does scale really well

with that dmg u could immediately trigger his next phase

[stoic flame]

😳

[jagged wedge]

Also—Deep Pockets or Golden Touch?

[robust scaffold]

golden touch is fine if u dont spend much in shops early on

ud need to bring 667 gold through floors to break even

[jagged wedge]

Goddamn, that's quite a lot

[robust scaffold]

yea

[jagged wedge]

I'm too much of a coward to try escaping with Frost Fair Blade

With 30 health, you'd get one-shot by Hades

[pulsar ridge]

When it's fully upgraded it only halves it, so it's technically easier than cursed slash

[jagged wedge]

Hermes' boons range from worthless to god-tier.

[pulsar ridge]

Only one I would say is terrible is probably flurry cast

[jagged wedge]

I've found the rapid-cast to be useful if you're using Demeter's Crystal Beams

[pulsar ridge]

then I'd say none of his boons are really worthless

Even without rerolling you'll usually get something good

[brisk trail]

the gap between his amazing boons and the others is big ngl

[pulsar ridge]

It is, they range from good to practically mandatory

[brisk trail]

u got like the swift and flurry stuff , haste, quick and auto reload are exclusivley good on cast builds ect

these are stuff I never want to see above the others

[jagged wedge]

Yeah, having more dashes is incredible, but Sturdy or extra movement speed are relatively unhelpful

[brisk trail]

nah hyper sprint is one of his best boons

[robust scaffold]

hyper sprint and more dashes are both super good imo

[pulsar ridge]

I like movement speed if it's epic, and then rush delivery as I'm pretty sure they work together

[jagged wedge]

Is there any special dialogue if you leave the chamber in the middle of a Trove Trial?

[robust scaffold]

u can do that?

[cerulean ferry]

I don't think you can

[jagged wedge]

Perhaps I should try picking those more

[jagged wedge]

I mean, the prompt appeared white when I came close to the door during a trial, so I think it's possible?

[robust scaffold]

hyper sprint + rush delivery is good too

[pulsar ridge]

75% extra damage from Hermes alone is pretty nice

[brisk trail]

you could def do that in early access but they might have fixed it

[pulsar ridge]

Plus moving faster feels cool

[green maple]

iirc you can do that before it triggers spawning mobs

[jagged wedge]

Mhm, new record 24:24

That's... not good.

Also: 50 deaths... yay.

[brisk trail]

You can exit during Trove Trials at any time.

[jagged wedge]

People trash on Meg and the other Furies, but remember: they haven't died any more than you have.

[pulsar ridge]

deaths to fate are bs and dont count

[pulsar ridge]

TIL that if you out dps hades enough, he can do his laser attack while impervious from phase switching, so you can't hit him even if you're sitting on top of him

[hollow hawk]

his laser attack doesnt last long while impervious though

does it?

[pulsar ridge]

it lasted the same duration as normal

[high island]

That goes for all boss attacks.

[green maple]

i sometimes just charm him so that he doesnt do bad moves

[gray dust]

I maxed all my relationships!

Pog!

Now it is time to max all the keepsakes and companions

[pulsar ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683011883284168725/851063286899277874/unknown.png

how much harder is em4

and is it worth it for that phase 3 music 🤌

[robust scaffold]

a lot harder

[ashen nova]

Well... it's worth unlocking for sure

It's painful but fun

[pulsar ridge]

i'll give it a few runs and see how it goes, extra challenge is always fun

since right now i'm on a streak

[robust scaffold]

oof its not fun :(

i only did it like once just to try it

[ashen nova]

If you want to keep your streak, I'd be hesitant about enabling it lol

[pulsar ridge]

its only a 5 streak, not much lol

[robust scaffold]

good boss fight though

[pulsar ridge]

EM4 enabled, time for pain

[ashen nova]

Goood luck! I like it. It's fun. It's hard haha

[pulsar ridge]

I'm hoping it's hard, dad's not giving me much trouble currently

don't even end up using my stubborn defiance most the time

[robust scaffold]

gl lol

[pulsar ridge]

Well, I'm about to enter the fight now, time to see how quickly I die

I didn't even get to phase 3

[robust scaffold]

oof

[hollow hawk]

em4 has extra health as well

so make sure you're not using something like calisthentics program which will make dad even more healthier and make the fight harder

[half zephyr]

Em4 isn’t that bad

[pulsar ridge]

I've only got EM4 enabled, no other heat options

Probably gonna keep it like this until I've done all the bounties

[half zephyr]

Just don’t hug daddy

It’ll hurt

[pulsar ridge]

I noticed he pushed me away when I tried to hug the omnilaser?

[half zephyr]

On normal?

[pulsar ridge]

EM4

[half zephyr]

Yes

So no hugs

If it’s on normal it’s cuz of a knockback effect you got

EM4 is actually pretty nice cuz it’s proof that dad loves you

[pulsar ridge]

I kept trying to hug in EM4, so that at least partly explains why it didn't go so well

I thought I was just messing it up

[half zephyr]

Ye, just doesn’t work

[pulsar ridge]

sad 😔

[signal aspen]

Doom is really good

[signal aspen]

I like deep pockets because you can buy another boon in the mid shop easily

[signal aspen]

You can't leave if you are in the middle of a trove trial

I think you can leave before any of the enemies spawn tho

[stiff musk]

if i start a hell mode save do i have to mess with the pact immediately or am i free for the first run

also is hell mode just perma 5 heat or is there other stuff to it

[half zephyr]

you have forced 5 heat

[stiff musk]

ive been thinking of starting a hell mode file

[half zephyr]

you don't need to add more if you don't want to

[signal aspen]

You do the first run and then on the second one you can use the pact

[half zephyr]

mhm

[stiff musk]

okay

so no heat for the first run?

sick

[half zephyr]

no

5 heat

[signal aspen]

5 heat always

[half zephyr]

you start with 5 heat - you can't turn them off

[stiff musk]

what are the conditions then

[signal aspen]

Hl1 lc1 js1 cp1 personal liability

[stiff musk]

since you dont mess with the pact on first run

i see

[half zephyr]

last one is hell mode only

[signal aspen]

Ye

[stiff musk]

what does the last one do

[half zephyr]

personal liability

[signal aspen]

It means you don't get impervious after taking a bunch of damage

[half zephyr]

I can't spell that word rn

ty

I sleepy

[stiff musk]

pl sounds kinda moot

if you take a bunch of dmg it sucks with or without impervious doesnt it

[half zephyr]

it's there & it fits

[signal aspen]

I guess

[robust scaffold]

how does PL work exactly

not sure when u would take extra dmg with PL

[viscid cape]

Pl stands for what? Im not hip and cool to understand yall's language

[robust scaffold]

personal liability

in the pact of punishment for heat

[half zephyr]

do hell mode & find out

[robust scaffold]

im on hell mode

[half zephyr]

then read the description when you see the pact

then you'll see how PL works

[viscid cape]

damn she hasnt noticed what hell mode does yet

[half zephyr]

I've got a hell mode file

[viscid cape]

Im a coward 😎

[half zephyr]

it's just fun

[robust scaffold]

ive read it

but its not clear ._.

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

So in normal mode when you take a bunch of damage at one time you get a shield but in hell mode you don't get that shield

[half zephyr]

^

[robust scaffold]

how long does the shield last for

[signal aspen]

Like 1 or 2 seconds

[robust scaffold]

what

thats so long

no wonder

[viscid cape]

Well havent u been stun locked 😔

[signal aspen]

Probably not 2 seconds

[robust scaffold]

i dont think its possible to be stun locked

[half zephyr]

you can get stunned by some bosses & enemies

[viscid cape]

Final boss lasers

[half zephyr]

you can say hades

this isn't new player chat

[robust scaffold]

idk final boss laser makes me lose all my hp instantly

[half zephyr]

wha

[viscid cape]

👀what?

[half zephyr]

just dash

[viscid cape]

Hug him

[half zephyr]

and get away

[viscid cape]

Go up right next to him

[robust scaffold]

if u get hit by it i mean ._.

[half zephyr]

doesn't always work

[viscid cape]

Worth the risk

[half zephyr]

can't do on EM4

[robust scaffold]

so i havent observed any stun lock from that

[half zephyr]

literally can't do it

[viscid cape]

Dont mention that near me

[half zephyr]

you get pushed away

[viscid cape]

Yeah that pulse 😭

[half zephyr]

also not worth it if you have knockback

but otherwise hugging is good

even better is making it so he can't use lasers

either by killing him too fast or by just charming him

[viscid cape]

Does shield block the laser damage

?

[half zephyr]

think so

idk

I never use block

[half zephyr]

and EM4 isn't that hard

[viscid cape]

We got a gamer

[robust scaffold]

epic gamer moment

[half zephyr]

nope

[viscid cape]

Im not gamer enough

[half zephyr]

I'm actually pretty bad

[robust scaffold]

same

[stiff musk]

@half zephyr pls sock my hell file ty ty

[half zephyr]

but the music!

[viscid cape]

Intense as heck

[half zephyr]

I can't even get past heroes on my hell mode

it's a baby file

a true baby

[viscid cape]

When he pulls out the woof woof on me i thought he was on my side

[half zephyr]

not like my other baby file

there I'm having fun trying out 32

and my main is just chilling - not having gone past 13 =w=

[viscid cape]

👀 thats a jump and a half

[half zephyr]

well, I did 9 on baby file

and then I thought that was hard so I jumped to 16 to see how it'd go

[signal aspen]

Yes

[half zephyr]

and after 2 tries or so I got it

so now I'm just playing with the 32 to see if I can do it on the 10th clear cuz it'll be 32 easy mode

[viscid cape]

Guys how do i get bettet at rama. I suck at it

[robust scaffold]

im a rama player too :D

[viscid cape]

Good tips?

[robust scaffold]

tag everyone with special then boom with ur attack

thats it

get artemis attack

[viscid cape]

Go for power shot or pray for point blank?

[stiff musk]

special is so easy to use on rama

[half zephyr]

if attack is too slow spam special & get a nice dmg dash

[stiff musk]

esp with controller aim assist

[robust scaffold]

power shot is bad since u shouldnt full charge

[stiff musk]

press y then boom 30% extra dmg

[robust scaffold]

twin shot and triple is the best

point blank is decent but not as good as the above hammers

[viscid cape]

Wym rama at max does 60% no?

[stiff musk]

yes

but base rama is 30%

[viscid cape]

Rama has better hammers than point blank 😳

[stiff musk]

and i havent put blood into it yet

too poor

[half zephyr]

I've only invested into 1 aspect on baby file

max zag fist forever

[robust scaffold]

twin shot is 2x dmg and triple is 3x if ur close enough

also point blank should be additive instead of multiplicative, but dont quote me on that

[half zephyr]

on main file I'm only missing 3 aspects
I have lvl 1 poseidon, hades & hestia

rest are max

[viscid cape]

I am only missing gilgamesh, zeus, eris, and i believe zagreus shield

[signal aspen]

Why don't you like hestia

[half zephyr]

I haven't had the blood to max it yet?

I adore the goddess, but I don't often reload manually, so it hasn't been top priority for me to get that aspect maxed

[signal aspen]

I always manually reload

On all aspects

Sometimes I will shoot three bullets and then reload

[half zephyr]

I just don't

[robust scaffold]

i wish there was auto reload

wait is there

[unborn remnant]

no

[signal aspen]

Ye

[unborn remnant]

wait really?

[signal aspen]

If you shoot all your bullets

[unborn remnant]

oh

[robust scaffold]

oh hm

[half zephyr]

shoot them all out, then do something else

[signal aspen]

Use your special

[latent junco]

or just let go of the attack

and then tap

[gray dust]

Delta chamber

Oh, you are talking about the bow

There is an auto shoot upgrade, I think

[unborn remnant]

How do you auto reload a bow

like how would that work

[robust scaffold]

no for the rail lol

i know about delta chamber but its an upgrade

also with that u dont need to reload at all so its kinda diff

[brisk trail]

I mean it does reload automaticially when you try to attack with an empty chamber, no?

[steep elm]

hey guys, just got back into the game pretty recently
if i have maxed out fists of demeter, will a normal upper or dash-upper do more damage?

[signal aspen]

dash upper

[signal aspen]

yeah but thats boring

[steep elm]

thanks

[brave thicket]

Opinion: In the Champions fight, both normal and [i forgot], Asterius is more of a threat than Theseus

[signal aspen]

Yeah

Theseus isn't that bad in em3

[pulsar ridge]

Non EM Asterius is a pushover, on EM he will chunk you if he does the spin and you don't back off. Since I'm impatient I find regular Theseus the hardest part of both forms of the fight.

[signal aspen]

Non em heroes fight is easy for me

[pulsar ridge]

I play way too aggressively and get hit by his spear throws

[signal aspen]

Nice

[pulsar ridge]

Hence why EM3 is way easier cos you can melt them

[brave thicket]

I use athena attack on my hestia exagryph on my first EM4 fight

ded

[crude surge]

EM4 is hard

[latent junco]

yes

[brisk trail]

try to use aphro or artemis next time

[unborn remnant]

I really hope we get a Zagreus mii costume in smash bros

[brave thicket]

cant find it kahdfjskdjflka. He was nearly dead too...

[unborn remnant]

Jeez the end credits of this game are so simple but incredibly euphoric

[pulsar ridge]

so worth it

[unborn remnant]

absolutely

[pulsar ridge]

EM4 attempt number 2

[half zephyr]

[cerulean ferry]

Good luck

[pulsar ridge]

Damn, I was so close to phase 3 😔

[signal aspen]

what are the chances of getting two natural chaos gates in one biome?

because i got 2 chaos gates in tart

one in the room where you spawn and one in the chamber before meg

[buoyant merlin]

if there was another hades game would you want it to be a prequel or a sequel? I think the titans are too interesting to pass up so I'd go with prequel, but they'd be hard to impliment as bosses

[alpine gate]

Imagine playing a game with only trackpad lol

[pulsar ridge]

i've decided i'm gonna play dirty to beat EM4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683011883284168725/851162523050967040/unknown.png

good old ME + Zeus shield

[buoyant merlin]

interesting fact:

You can descend into chaos's chamber in the middle of an internal trove thing. had no idea

[red coral]

Lowish but entirely possible! Two Tartarus chaos gates is ideal isn’t it

[signal aspen]

oh nice

im playing with beowulf and both of them gave me an extra cast

pretty cool

nvm not a good run anymore

got to styx with no mirage shot

[hollow hawk]

It's possible mostly in tart

[signal aspen]

poseidon and artemis didnt show up

[hollow hawk]

since chaos gates have a cooldown

in tart, the cooldown is 10 chambers (overrided by ixion from well, ofcourse)

in asphodel and elysium i believe its 8 chmabers

[signal aspen]

good to know

ty

[fleet void]

bro i got this game a 4 days ago and i've already won with every weapon but the gun

im trying to farm the rewards like titan blood so im just slowly increasing by 1 heat

[pulsar ridge]

doomstones suck

Hades spawned exclusively doomstones for the entirety of phase 2 and my build couldn't deal with them so I lost so much damn health

[hollow hawk]

In em4?

[pulsar ridge]

yeah

[hollow hawk]

you can actually just hit the doomstone a lot in p1 and have a lot of tiny little stones in the arena, and hades won't spawn anything next time

because theres already too many enemies in the arena

[pulsar ridge]

the tiny things were the problem

[hollow hawk]

Ah

[pulsar ridge]

They create lasers even when the doomstone is invisible

[hollow hawk]

For doomstone i find you have to rush it down quickly

It can get really hard if you don't have enough dmg to kill it quick

try equipping spearpoint (patty's keepsake) for em4, it helps with stuff like doomstone and sneak and butterfly ball

[pulsar ridge]

I usually take lucky tooth or spikes collar for Hades, but I'll try it

All my runs consistently get to Hades and then die so close to phase 3 it hurts

[hollow hawk]

spikes collar isnt worth it most of the time

[buoyant merlin]

does vicious skewer work on the aspect of achilles when you dash TO the spear or only when it comes to you? (ping with answer if possible, thanks in advance!)

[hollow hawk]

acorn is decent if you're confident about dealing with the spawns

[hollow hawk]

I believe it works in both cases

[pulsar ridge]

Acorn is how many hits when maxed out? I haven't ranked it up at all

[hollow hawk]

but its a meh hammer nevertheless, I'd rather pick pretty much any other spear hammer than vicious

[hollow hawk]

5

Its very very good

Im surprised you dont have it maxed

[half zephyr]

acorn is really good

[hollow hawk]

It saves much more than 100 health in dad fight

[pulsar ridge]

I'm not good at not getting hit, so I'm worried I'll burn through it too quickly

[hollow hawk]

but em4 spawns can ruin it

[pulsar ridge]

well, i'm not good at not getting hit in em4

[half zephyr]

then use spearpoint

[hollow hawk]

Doesn't really matter, as long as its dad hitting you, you're good honestly

[half zephyr]

or broken spear

[hollow hawk]

But as soon as something like butterfly ball uses it up, its wasted

[half zephyr]

then you can get hit over & over

but acorn is still better imo

[hollow hawk]

yeah I've recommended that too

spearpoint is great if you get butterfly ball or doomstone or sneak

Otherwise its eh

[half zephyr]

I got lucky w mine

if I remember right I only got those stones

the ones that drop down

[pulsar ridge]

I'll work on maxing both those out then

[half zephyr]

the one that's with meandusa, but without meandusa

[pulsar ridge]

The dropping stones are so easy, I wish I got those 😔

[half zephyr]

it was super easy

[hollow hawk]

meandusa and head

[half zephyr]

it's meandusa

[hollow hawk]

?

[half zephyr]

yesh

[hollow hawk]

I literally said meandusa

Idk what you're saying

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

i think she is talking about meandusa

[half zephyr]

lol

get on the game & zags just

<sigh>

maybe he doesn't want me to play

oh great

32 & I get the forced huge catch

[signal aspen]

perfect

easy win

[half zephyr]

at least it gives me a purge boon

[pulsar ridge]

Man Charon's such a breeze with Arthur what the hell

free 300 obols

[half zephyr]

well

charons got a big slow atk

you got a big strong atk

you also have a field that slows him down more & your other boons & stuff

[pulsar ridge]

True, but man I'm surprised at how consistently I'm getting nohit Charons now that I'm using it

Still find it funny he hits harder than dad

[half zephyr]

well, dad doesn't do exercise every day unless we fight him - he just sits at a desk & does paperwork & listens to shades

[pulsar ridge]

smh dad

[half zephyr]

that feeling when you miss the mark in the pre-boss shop

and instead of getting a boon you waste 50 obols on 0hp

it was worth it to die

[signal aspen]

nice

[half zephyr]

meg deserves a win now & then

and I deserved to die for that miss

[pulsar ridge]

So for EM4, is it still worth taking acorn/spearpoint even if they're both rank 1

[half zephyr]

BATTIE!

woo

[pulsar ridge]

Fourth times the charm? Got the spearpoint and a ton of health so hopefully it'll go better

Sitting on 533 max health rn

[half zephyr]

more health doesn't have to mean that you'll win

[pulsar ridge]

I know

[unborn remnant]

hello hello hello

[half zephyr]

I often find that the more hp I got the more likely I am to die

[signal aspen]

@pulsar ridge are you still using zeus shield?

[half zephyr]

since it usually means I've focused too much on hp vs dmg

[pulsar ridge]

I'm using Arthur again now

[signal aspen]

Oh

[pulsar ridge]

Ol reliable

[signal aspen]

What is your build like

[pulsar ridge]

Mostly aphro I think? I don't have a lot of damage boons

[signal aspen]

Are you dashing in-between each swing?

[pulsar ridge]

Usually

[signal aspen]

Ok

Good

What do you normally get hit by

[pulsar ridge]

usually boiling blood or the vases, and occasionally a spin

got him to phase 3, 23 health left and still got my stubborn defiance 👀

[signal aspen]

For the vases you should use a dash to destroy them

Or your special

For boiling blood you should learn the animation for it and when you see it dash to the left or right

[pulsar ridge]

got him halfway through phase 3

[signal aspen]

You can tell that hades is going to do a spin when's white circle is around him so be prepared to dodge it and remember that he will do a second spin

[signal aspen]

Nice

[pulsar ridge]

yeah, I just mistime my dash sometimes for the spin

[signal aspen]

He won't do a second spin if he does the 2 swing combo into a spin

And when he does that and you are far away from him he will throw his spear at you

[pulsar ridge]

I'll keep that in mind

Honestly as long as he isn't spawning doomstones I am really enjoying EM4

It's a real challenge, but a fun one

[signal aspen]

Also after he heals for the first time Cerberus will come for you

If you stay in the middle of the map when he summons Cerberus you can go to the far right and hide there

That part right next to the water is a safe spot

[pulsar ridge]

oh I think I did that without realizing this fight

I'll do the same next time then

[half zephyr]

ever had that moment

when Than appears

and Zag goes "Death approaches"
followed by Than going "Death approaches"
followed by the big title appearing with "Death Approaches"

[pulsar ridge]

what's approaching again, I didn't quite catch that

[signal aspen]

No zag usually says "guh-dong"

[narrow hemlock]

had to make sure you saw it the first time. and the second time. and the third time too.

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

Bouldy approaches

[half zephyr]

speaking of

I had my first convo with bouldy

[signal aspen]

Nice

[pulsar ridge]

I'm thinking of switching to DD, but I'm also worried I'll lose my free full heals from patty

[half zephyr]

ok

[brisk trail]

only switch to dd if you havetroubles with bossing

[half zephyr]

it's time for the lernean bone hydra

again

[signal aspen]

Pro tip: kill lernie

[half zephyr]

ah, but they aren't lernie yet!

[signal aspen]

Pro tip: kill lernean bone hydra

[half zephyr]

I shall try my best

I have 50hp no sd

[pulsar ridge]

I'm struggling with EM4, so DD might be good for that

[craggy vapor]

Hol' up! Should I be running SD over DD??

[half zephyr]

died

was the lava though

not lernie

[brisk trail]

DD prob helps for em4 yeah

[half zephyr]

or lernean bone hydra

[signal aspen]

If you die in normal chambers a lot then use sd

[brisk trail]

just play the rooms before clean

[signal aspen]

If not use dd

[half zephyr]

I don't like the wave spitter head

[signal aspen]

You also need sd for lc4

[craggy vapor]

Oh pff lmao. I only ever seem to lose a DD in Elysium when I wrongfully choose the opposing god to Aphrodite

[rose solstice]

never really got the hearts for the social links, but can you get more hearts by just talking or do you have to gift nectar to advance

[craggy vapor]

Nectar baby

[half zephyr]

only need 10 more keys!

[half zephyr]

my first bouldy boon - +6% obols

[open peak]

Is Loyalty Card permanent or just for that run?

[pulsar ridge]

Just for the run

Gotta beat up Charon each time you want it again

[open peak]

Figured.

Thought it odd it didnt show up as a "boon" y'know?

[craggy vapor]

I have yet to beat Charon. I just get spanked by the big ol' oar

[open peak]

He's tougher than some of the actual Bosses for sure.

[half zephyr]

and back with the lernean bone hydra..

guh, need to be faster with the lava heads

oh for

I've managed to unlock megs & dusas hearts before thans

THAN!!

you're really taking your time this time!

[pulsar ridge]

Got 2 DDs and 341 health entering EM4, maybe this is the run

[half zephyr]

I got a Than encounter

maybe this will be the one

please open up your heart

GAAH

oh well, guess I better go try get another encounter then

some other time though

[pulsar ridge]

Phase 3, still got a DD and at 141 👀

Hell yes

beat EM4 Hades

[half zephyr]

Now go buy the music so you can play it before you exit the game

Trust me - it’s great to get back into the game with the unseen ones welcoming you

[pulsar ridge]

I don't have enough diamonds lmao

I'm broke cos I just bought the thing that lets Orpheus visit Eurydice

[half zephyr]

Then get more diamonds

[pulsar ridge]

That's the plan 😎

[oak crest]

https://tenor.com/view/tucker-tucker-carlson-live-tucker-reaction-tucker-reaction-lewis-thompson-gif-21166556

[fleet void]

beowulf is actually bussin

never knew it was that damn good

i got the aphrodite cast first boon as well as chaos boon that increased my cast dmg sooooooooooooo

[pulsar ridge]

i've decided to never turn EM4 off again, this is so goddamn fun and its always super close

[half zephyr]

[pulsar ridge]

now to see if i can win streak it

[half zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-kungfupanda-gif-5316498

[dense shell]

What is EM4

[half zephyr]

Extreme measures 4

Hades+

[pulsar ridge]

makes the Hades fight way harder but way more fun

[half zephyr]

It’s a heat you have to buy from the contractor

[pulsar ridge]

also has an absolute banger of a soundtrack for phase 3

[half zephyr]

And you can only buy it after credits

it's fun

I didn't think it was fun before I tried it myself though

I thought it was scary & that I'd never turn it on

and then I got really bored one day & did it

best decision ever

[signal aspen]

Yeah em4 is fun

I should use it more

[pulsar ridge]

i dont think i can get EM4 consistently without arthur

[half zephyr]

I'm having a surprising amount of fun trying 32

but that might also be because I'm not scared of dying on baby file

I've got no streak to lose

[pulsar ridge]

do any other characters comment on streaks? i know hermes mentioned it when i lost my 5 streak

[half zephyr]

hermes did?

[signal aspen]

No I don't think so

[pulsar ridge]

shame

[half zephyr]

would've thought hypnos would

[signal aspen]

Nobody cared about my streak

[half zephyr]

the fallen 200

[pulsar ridge]

how do you even get a 200 streak

[half zephyr]

low heat

[pulsar ridge]

ah

[signal aspen]

Win 200 times in a row

Duh

[half zephyr]

I feel like I would get further if I didn't have hl5
then again, hl5 is making me try to not get hit even more

[warm charm]

i got a new record using the fists

[half zephyr]

[signal aspen]

Nice

[warm charm]

my average runs would be 20 mins, and i got 18 mins with fists

wooo

[half zephyr]

neat

which ones

what keepsake

[signal aspen]

That's 2 whole minutes

[half zephyr]

was hermes your bud?

[warm charm]

imma check the run

aspect of demeter

[pulsar ridge]

i had a super long run just now cos of styx

[half zephyr]

daw

well, still nice!

[pulsar ridge]

i was already a bit behind schedule and the sack was in the last tunnel

28 minutes 😔

[half zephyr]

[warm charm]

well, thats sad.

[half zephyr]

I keep forgetting I'm on TD2 instead of TD1

I take way too long in tartarus

I'm spending 5 minutes there instead of 4

[pulsar ridge]

still 2 minutes ahead of TD though

[half zephyr]

yes, but that extra minute..

then again, I haven't made it past Lernie yet

[warm charm]

eh????

[half zephyr]

it's 32 heat

[warm charm]

oh.

[half zephyr]

on my baby file

on my main file I'm long past epilogue

[pulsar ridge]

i'm working towards epilogue myself, but i've yet to form even a single bond

[half zephyr]

It's so weird having lc4!

get so many useless well items offered

[pulsar ridge]

lc4 just looks terrible

[warm charm]

me too

[half zephyr]

and that stupid "spend 50 obols get 0 hp"

[half zephyr]

it's not that bad

just weird having it

if you're used to sd it's fine

I'm not used to sd

I intentionally chose athena with the aim of dying to see if I could get a dd

[pulsar ridge]

is there any way at all to get above 30% once you use the SD

[half zephyr]

I made it with 3hp & got offered the dang sd restore boon

[pulsar ridge]

or are you literally just stuck there for the entire run unless you get a DD

[half zephyr]

use heart rooms
and darkness rooms

though since they up your max hp technically no

I'm not sure if stubborn roots would do it

[pulsar ridge]

probably not

[half zephyr]

but if you use draining cutter/guan yu & I guess cursed slash

then ye

you can get moar

and there's the things that boost your sd healing I suppose, but I don't think they last - like patty

[pulsar ridge]

speaking of guan yu, i still need to max it out and then do some runs with it

[half zephyr]

have fun

it's an experience

[pulsar ridge]

i probably won't, last guan yu run i did was

[half zephyr]

I'm still not sure how I won

[pulsar ridge]

yeah...

[half zephyr]

but I did it for the prophecy

[pulsar ridge]

totally didn't die in tartarus

on 0 heat

[half zephyr]

I made it on my first run

I'm just not sure how

[pulsar ridge]

wh

pure luck i guess?

[half zephyr]

desperation maybe

I didn't want to lose my streak

I do know I barely made it

and that I haven't touched it since

[pulsar ridge]

i'll probably get the prophecy then do the same

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683011883284168725/851225209993166868/unknown.png

ready to go fight dad 😎

[warm charm]

wot

[pulsar ridge]

unupgraded guan yu with thick skin off

[warm charm]

well, thats.. such little health

[pulsar ridge]

yes

[spark hornet]

Uhmmm... you is brave, ry

GL

hell, stream it haha

[pulsar ridge]

my streams are uh, frankly terrible

the quality is closer to seconds per frame than frames per second

[half zephyr]

[spark hornet]

did you die yet?

o.O

[pulsar ridge]

Haven't started the run yet, was buying some songs

[half zephyr]

the unseen ones \0/

[pulsar ridge]

Good Riddance and Lament of Orpheus

Unseen ones afterwards, when I've got the diamonds

[half zephyr]

sad

it's just instrumentals

the unseen ones is best

[pulsar ridge]

does Orpheus not sing along when he's in the house? 😔

[half zephyr]

nope

[pulsar ridge]

damn

[half zephyr]

he can sometimes

but not to those songs

[spark hornet]

...is there a reason you're playing like that>?

[pulsar ridge]

With low health?

Prophecy

[half zephyr]

he will randomly decide to sing some days but you can't choose what

[spark hornet]

fates?

[half zephyr]

high confidence?

[pulsar ridge]

the guan yu prophecy

[half zephyr]

then you can have thick skin on..

you can even have it be maxed

it's just using the weapon

[pulsar ridge]

Yeah, I just turned it off to see how bad it is

[half zephyr]

and aspect

[spark hornet]

I don't see it

[half zephyr]

aah

well, have fun

[pulsar ridge]

I wasn't seriously going to do it

[half zephyr]

you have to unlock guan yu

anyways

[pulsar ridge]

EM4 with guan Yu

[half zephyr]

he sometimes sings, but it's random & you can't decide what he'll sing
the music for the music stand will always be instrumentals & orphy will stop singing if he's singing if you turn one on

both of you

[pulsar ridge]

[spark hornet]

I'm gonna do a few trash runs to unlock things, mostly gems

[half zephyr]

why not do serious runs?

[spark hornet]

GEMMMMMMS

[half zephyr]

and still get gems?

[spark hornet]

Well I find setting the expectation to beat it every time creats unessecary stress. I've actually made it to the end a few times tota;;y not expecting to and it felt great

[half zephyr]

ah

[spark hornet]

so... it's a mental thing

[half zephyr]

I never expect to lose
but I don't expect to win either

when I play my mentality is usually "how fast can I go this time?" and "please not the bow again 🙏🏻 "

subconsiously I guess I expect I'll win

[spark hornet]

how do i unlock skelly's first locked heart? we don't really converse and he doesnb't want ambrosea

[half zephyr]

but I don't really think about it cuz I'm too busy having fun & speeding along

"Skelly's favor is directly requested by him the next time he is encountered and his affinity gauge is as complete as it can be. He won't give you the quest until you've unlocked 4 non-Zagreus aspects of weapons. After you've done that, on your next run he should offer the new quest."

[fleet void]

after playing a crap ton of risk of rain 2 i unnecessarily rush myself and make stupid mistake

[half zephyr]

there, read my above comment

[spark hornet]

ah

i just remembered im on the fated list for unlocking all the bow hammers

-_-

hrmph

[half zephyr]

you can do multiple at once

like working towards heat ones & god ones & the hammers

and fishing if that's not done

[main stratus]

Is artemis call any good?

[half zephyr]

yes

[spark hornet]

Yeah I love it

[half zephyr]

it's the highest dmg dealer & 2nd highest dmg dealer I believe

1st when you get critical

2nd when you don't

[main stratus]

👀👀👀👀

[half zephyr]

it's up there in the top spots at least

[crude surge]

Only good with greater call though

[half zephyr]

unless you need that extra oomph against normal enemy

but yes, greater call only

great against bosses

[main stratus]

I’m up to Theseus and didn’t have a — oh my b

I didn’t mean call I meant cast

[pulsar ridge]

8 health leaving the furies fight, i love guan yu

[half zephyr]

it's a decent cast

it's seeking, can crit

[pulsar ridge]

also goes through shields

[half zephyr]

perfectly fine

[main stratus]

[half zephyr]

not my top choice, but I'll take it if I have to

I'd much rather have flood shot/blade rift/crush shot/phalanx shot

even zeus' I'd take over artie

but it's perfectly fine

and a lodging cast which is nice

boiling blood is your friend

[crude surge]

I would rather have no car then unbuffed blade rift

For BB

[half zephyr]

no car

[half zephyr]

I mean, if I'm taking blade rift ofc I'm gonna buff it

I'll be doing all I can to get legendary

black metal, engulfing vortex

[crude surge]

Yeah just saying you can’t slap it on any build

[half zephyr]

ye, but I was also saying what I'd rather take

if I'm gonna take an artie boon I'd much rather have pressure points

[spark hornet]

playing would you rather

hades style

[half zephyr]

that happens all the time in here

it happens the second someone asks "what's the best weapon/aspect/etc"

opens the floodgates that

[spark hornet]

deleted meg with the quadruple trippy shot

[modern garnet]

Trippy shot with the hermes fast cast boon... it's like having triple bomb on gun but better

[spark hornet]

I suppose the arrow WITH quad trippy shot... or even regular triple isn't so bad.

deleted hydra... oh and the double arrow hammer helped

[signal aspen]

Yeah stubborn roots heals you

[signal aspen]

You can buy an item from wells that increases the amount healed by your sd, and you can get a better version of that from patty

[pulsar ridge]

oh so LC4 isn't as bad as I thought

[half zephyr]

it's just weird to get used to

doesn't help that I have hl5 on

but it's fun in its own way

[signal aspen]

Nice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/838749912216240128/4_hp.png

But this is even lower

[pulsar ridge]

chaos curse?

[craggy vapor]

I remember the first time you posted this, how do you manage to cause this?

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[half zephyr]

chaos

[craggy vapor]

Jeez

[half zephyr]

just don't get hit

[signal aspen]

Yeah

It was during my nem sword speedrun, having max HP lower than 10 removes the chance of getting cursed slash which gives me a greater chance of getting double edge

[half zephyr]

neat

[craggy vapor]

Interesting

pp man is 42 parallel universes ahead of us with this level of planning

[signal aspen]

I didn't come up with it lol

It was c_gull

[craggy vapor]

sshhhh you're just being modest it's alright

[pulsar ridge]

107 max health and a single DD entering EM4 hades

God I hate guan yu

At least I don't have to win to get the prophecy

😎

[signal aspen]

Imma do em4 guan Yu next

How bad could it be?

[craggy vapor]

I have yet to do anything over em1 so I'm looking forward to all this

[pulsar ridge]

yeah I died, never again guan yu

[crude surge]

Guan Yu isn’t good if you don’t put blood into it

[spark hornet]

nearly trippy shotted (lvl8) father to death. got him down to almost half on phase two

way farther than i expected

[rotund lava]

Man I used a hades config file on my laptop to lower some settings and the game went from an unplayable 24 fps to locked 70+

This game really needs options to lower and turn stuff off in the settings

[spark hornet]

I mean it is supposed to be hard...

idk

I see your point, tho

[rotund lava]

Hm? What’s supposed to be hard

Or were you talking to someone else

[spark hornet]

The game

[craggy vapor]

Foxtrot is replying to potato

[rotund lava]

Gotcha

[spark hornet]

I was definitely talking to you, anime.

[craggy vapor]

huh?

[spark hornet]

Not potato

[craggy vapor]

Now I'm confused. The context said otherwise but alright.

[spark hornet]

Nope.

how?

Anime said something and i responded to that of what was said by anime

[craggy vapor]

AnimeList was talking about the performance of the game on their laptop. Your comment underneath did not seem to make sense as an appropriate reply and if it was, you're then making the point that the game should perform poorly as it's "supposed to be hard"
That's why I'm confused.

[rotund lava]

^ lmao I’m so lost

[craggy vapor]

Exactly. Me too.

[spark hornet]

oh fps...

i saw the numbers and thought you were talking about heat

but i was not speaking to potato

[craggy vapor]

Ah, my apologies for assuming.

[rotund lava]

Btw what fps do you guys get in hades? I’m guessing you guys are on high end pc’s

[spark hornet]

i scrolled up and just noticed potato was in here.. did even know that was a member

[craggy vapor]

Lol.
AnimeList, I can send a link to the specs of my laptop if you'd like? I get a stable 144fps

[spark hornet]

idk the fps. i know my monitor is a 240 but no way it's playing on that

[rotund lava]

144? Sheesh

Ngl I’m fine with 60, anything over is overkill

[craggy vapor]

Oh I agree. It's just that my laptop can run it at that comfortably and so it does.

[spark hornet]

I have it set at 2560x1440

[craggy vapor]

That's resolution Foxtrot. You're playing in 4k?

Mine is in 1920x1080 with a stable 144fps, Vsync and Fullscreen enabled

[spark hornet]

i think that's more of a 2k res... i know my monitor doesn't go to 4k, but does downscale 4k signals to a 1440

i got a samsung g7, 27ince

[rotund lava]

I’m playing at 720p but my laptop can only go to 900p

[spark hornet]

goes up to 240 htz

[craggy vapor]

Oh nice. https://imgur.com/gallery/XgDxniC That's my specs

[rotund lava]

Do any games even support 240hz

[craggy vapor]

CS:GO lol

[rotund lava]

1070 nice

Must be nice to have a dedicated graphics card and not a horrible integrated one

[spark hornet]

240? not that i know of.

id like to know if there are any

[craggy vapor]

My step-father actually got the same laptop, just the next version which literally become available two weeks after I purchased mine. His has a 1080 and an individually lit RGB keyboard.

Anyways, I do feel this chat has severely gone off topic from it's intention. I believe we should return to Hades or head to off topic

[quaint wind]

was about to say

[spark hornet]

so this v-sync thing it sets frame rate to displays refresh rate, so does that mean since i have a 240 refresh rate it's playing at a 240 refresh rate?

in the game

[craggy vapor]

Go to general (please) in off topic

I'll be there

[craggy vapor]

I just remembered I opened the game over an hour ago and haven't played it due to talking in story

[half zephyr]

I tried sleeping

I failed

[craggy vapor]

Shadow, would you mind recommending a build or dumb run for me?

[half zephyr]

So I’m here again

[craggy vapor]

Ah, I feel that pain.

[half zephyr]

Max zag fist + max rank plume + ruthless reflex

Or

[craggy vapor]

Oh buddy that is one of my favorites lol

[half zephyr]

Do paladin arthur with patron god Lucifer

You have to get cursed slash, at least 1 deflect boon & your hp should end up no higher then 200-250 max

You will be a walking self healing tank

The goal is to actually have less then 200hp & survive with the cursed slash

[craggy vapor]

Patron god Lucifer? What is this D&D campaign I didn't buy?

[half zephyr]

Well, it’s cuz Arthur’s Excalibur is a holy blade with a divine field

Yet you’re cursing it

So you must’ve fallen from grace & now your patron god is Lucifer

It’s just fun

[craggy vapor]

OH! Nice! Role Playing Abrahamic religion in a Greek mythology game. That's hilarious.

[half zephyr]

Well, we have both Arthur divine blade + Luci gun available to us

I could never resist the temptation

It’s all there already

[craggy vapor]

Indeed. I have yet to attempt a real Cursed Slash run.

[half zephyr]

Ooh

Most will tell you it’s the worst thing to put on Arthur

And really they’d be right

But it’s fun

And great when you just wanna make a story!

[craggy vapor]

Is the health gained apply to damage dealt or hits landed?

[pulsar ridge]

Per hit landed

[half zephyr]

Every attack gives you 2hp

Not dash-strike

Attack

[craggy vapor]

Oh gross! Why would you- EW!

[half zephyr]

[pulsar ridge]

I'm pretty sure Arthur doesn't let you get the flurry hammer you want with a cursed slash either

[half zephyr]

I kept having cursed slash be offered to me

And Athena

So I decided to just give in & make a self healing tank

[craggy vapor]

Adapt, Evolve, Overcome

[half zephyr]

And then I built a whole story around it

The ultimate outcome

Is to end up with Athena legendary

Which I’ve ended up with on that build 4 or 5 times without consciously aiming for it

It was before I actually remembered what boons led to some of the legendaries

To be a walking self healing tank with a constant shield on wielding a cursed holy blade surrounded by your divine field

[craggy vapor]

Mind giving me a crash course for the run real quick in builds-and-combat?

[half zephyr]

I’m not sure I can cuz I literally just don’t aim for it too much

It’s like

[craggy vapor]

Oh. Just RNG it. Got it

[half zephyr]

Athena, maybe Artie or aphro

The hammer is rng anyways

I just for some reason end up with it like 90% of the time

You just have to feel it

[craggy vapor]

Alrighty!

[half zephyr]

Have fun & good luck

[rotund lava]

Quick question

Does death defiance give me a do over each run? Or just that one time you buy it

[half zephyr]

each run

mirror upgrades are semi-permanent

[rotund lava]

Oh really?

Let’s goo

[half zephyr]

you can reset them with a key (and something post end boss), that's why it's only semi

[rotund lava]

Btw why is the bow the 2nd weapon you unlock and it seems like the best one so far

[half zephyr]

also, this is the spoiler chat

[spark hornet]

lucky tooth is another death defiance, but i'd recommend pierced butterfly

[half zephyr]

if you want no spoilers head to #h1-for-new-players

[rotund lava]

What do you mean

[half zephyr]

well, you can get rid of the upgrades meaning they aren't actually fully permanent, now are they?

[rotund lava]

Does death defiance not reset itself upon death?

[half zephyr]

no

[rotund lava]

So it’s not permanent

[spark hornet]

so with tooth: overall 4 death defiance

[half zephyr]

you get 1 use pr death defiance pr run

[rotund lava]

Yea that’s what I’m asking

[half zephyr]

unless you replenish it during the run

[spark hornet]

it re-upps your health during the run per death defience

[rotund lava]

When I start a new run it’ll be there right?

[half zephyr]

but you'll have it next run

[rotund lava]

Ok thanks that’s what I wanted to know

[half zephyr]

death is very loose in here

since you can die during the run & return to life & die & end up at the house

[spark hornet]

it's essentially a "continue"

[half zephyr]

you really have to let us know which death you're talking about when you use the word

[spark hornet]

run out of continues, you die die

[half zephyr]

ye, dd & sd =w=

[spark hornet]

there is stubborn defiance and death defiance.

[half zephyr]

ok, you continue doing that I'll go back to trying to sleep!

[spark hornet]

stubborn re-ups your health from encounter to encounter, but you only get one. death is up to three "continues" that doesn't re-up your health

[unreal atlas]

Stubborn is "30% per chamber", Normal is "50% up to three times (Charon/Athena notwithstanding)"

It's the difference between being able to die a lot across a run, or in a single chamber

[warm egret]

I reject thanatos by mistake and i want change it

Can i change it?

[hushed field]

Should I get fated authority or fated persuasion?

[jagged wedge]

I personally prefer Fated Persuasion

[modern garnet]

Rerolling doors seems harder to learn to use, ime

[jagged wedge]

Honestly, if you can afford it, take the three Death Defiance stocks. You're much more likely to die at the final boss than at anywhere else.

[jagged wedge]

What do you mean Charon/Athena notwithstanding?

[modern garnet]

charon wells and athena can give you more DDs

*can replenish your DDs

[jagged wedge]

Oh, that, well, if we're going to bring up those two, why not talk about Patroclus? That guy's saved my runs more time than I can count

[modern garnet]

Athena can also increase the amount that DDs heal you

[jagged wedge]

While we're on this topic, what does Kiss of Styx Premium do if you already have full DDs?

[modern garnet]

Absolutely nothin

[jagged wedge]

Oof, well that makes sense

[modern garnet]

That's why the other gifts are there

[unreal atlas]

hot take: if you have either Full DDs or one under full, KoS Premium should add a DD (like the Legendary Chaos boon.)

would that make sense?

[craggy vapor]

I literally only take the damage increase unless I have no DD's at Pat which doesn't happen often so MO POWER BABY

[modern garnet]

Nahhh then the other gifts would be worthless

[unreal atlas]

I generally take the Hydralite Dark

[craggy vapor]

Don't get hit and then you don't need healing.
Better yet, hit them harder so they can't hit you for longer.

[unreal atlas]

since I may not die but I'm always low on health

The jerky's obviously there for people who aren't worn down by the previous chambers, like you apparently

Pat's offerings are a bit of an odd design decision but I respect it

[craggy vapor]

Sorry, not trying to be rude. My philosophy is: hit them first and hard so they can't hit you

[jagged wedge]

I usually take the extra damage, unless I'm super low, Elysium is hard bois

[craggy vapor]

It certainly can be. The frustrating thing for me is I only ever encounter Pat and Achilles when I have full DD's. When I need him during a run, no where to be found.

[unreal atlas]

people who are good generally won't have a use for Touch Dark, although Kiss Dark can be nice

if for some ungodly reason you're using SD

hell, Kiss can last until final boss if you're lucky

[modern garnet]

The jerky usually lasts me to the champions, which can save me a DD if I have em3 on

[brisk trail]

After finding locked ||boulder guy files I can't meet him at all I have been on 15 escape attempts now and never met him||

[cerulean ferry]

Guess rng is just bad then

[warm egret]

I reject thanatos by mistake can i change it?

[buoyant merlin]

there's no permanent progression locking for the relationships I believe.

So you'll be able to say yes to whatever he asked you later if that's what you mean

[simple thistle]

Also if you have max hp

To not make it unbalanced

[young epoch]

Do i get any unlock or bonus for upgrading all the keepsakes aside from the trophy?

Currently missing only that one, im considering if it's worth it or not to go for

[signal aspen]

no

[molten parrot]

ok what the hell, i just have to say

arthur sword is insane

i just hit hades for almost 2700 in a single critical hit

[signal aspen]

yeah its good

but its really slow

so its not good with fo2 or td3

which means its not great for high heat

[molten parrot]

wait, are those pact conditions?

[signal aspen]

forced overtime 2

tight deadline 3

[molten parrot]

tight deadline is the timer thing, right?

[signal aspen]

yeah