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#h1-discussion
signal aspen
pulsar fable
Cool.
crude moon
What do fish bring to the game?
signal aspen
Resources
crude moon
Funny side quest or weirdly OP thing
signal aspen
And poseidon bond
prime lantern
does rush delivery benefits from hyper sprint?
signal aspen
Yes
prime lantern
i think it does but just to be sure
signal aspen
Rush delivery works with any extra movement speed
prime lantern
with rush delivery and hyper sprint your dash strike deals at least 100%?
i mean +100%
signal aspen
Common rush delivery makes your attacks deal 50% extra damage based on your movement speed
prime lantern
oh right my bad
signal aspen
So if you have 100% move speed from hyper sprint you will deal 50% extra damage from a common rush delivery boon
prime lantern
ok then with both boons you at least get +%50 dash strike dmg?
prime lantern
i said dash strike because the speed you get from hyper sprint doenst last but i get it now
signal aspen
Oh ok
gritty eagle
hey guys do hammer upgrades negate shattered shackle?
crude surge
Is shattered shackle ever worth it?
gritty eagle
thank you!
@crude surge im doing excalibur run- thought to experiment with that keepsake
chilly sonnet
is nectar a common or rare chamber reward
crude surge
It doesn’t seem to show up as often as other things
glass salmon
Ok so my highest heat is with the fists (11) if I play on 16 heat even tho I didn't reach it... so I get skellys reward?
modern garnet
If you play on 16 heat you'll get Skelly's reward and you'll get to open erebus gates in all biomes
When you win it'll increase your heat by 1
So if you're at 11 heat and you do a high heat run you'll be at 12 heat next
glass salmon
Ik how heat works. I'm just saying. Do I have to be on 16 heat to be skelly or can I put 16 heat and win even if I'm still on 11 heat
Like raising the heat before I'm there
modern garnet
You can raise the heat before you're there
glass salmon
And it would still count for skellys reward?
modern garnet
Yea
glass salmon
Oh. Well that's great
wraith ginkgo
I realized the shield is very useful
with blocking and it being both a melee and shooter weapon
modern garnet
Shield is so good
peak zealot
@glass salmon I'm pretty sure you need to complete multiple runs though to get the sculptures. You can't just do one 32 heat run. You can do three 32 heat runs, or an 8, 16 and 32 heat run
Shield is really versatile but isn't really great at anything. Blocking is kind of OP but miserable to use. At least IMO
livid canyon
for some god know reasons my Hades play time jumped from 500 hours+ back to 394
peak zealot
??? Are you ground hog daying? but like, ground hog month?
never know when you might be stuck in a time loop I guess
peak zealot
UGH.... hermes based builds are so frustrating
Is it really that much to ask for blade dash + rift upgrades + greatest reflex + hyper sprint + rush delivery
cause apparnetly its too much to ask for
peak zealot
Its 50/50 that you get a third
the big shop will either have a basically useless anvil or an incredibly useful upgraded hermes boon
peak zealot
Are you sure??
half zephyr
it was a bad styx day
peak zealot
I've never seen that and I'm several hundred runs in now
every run, you get access to an anvil or hermes
half zephyr
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I only remember that it was an awful styx day with nothing good
it's been a while now
peak zealot
I mean, anvil isn't good, so half the time it isn't good
half zephyr
no, I didn't have anvil
my styx shop was all boons
but from the gods I didn't need boons from
and it was sad
well, good luck on your hermes run
peak zealot
I mean, its more of a blade dash run, but it gets twice as good from getting +3 dashes or +100% speed and +100% damage from speed
Its pretty easy to get the ares boons and 20 levels on blade dash, which is good enough even without the hermes boons.
but with them, I should be able to push something like 4000 DPS
half zephyr
then why not just use gilga 
peak zealot
I do use gilga
half zephyr
ah, you just want even moar dashes
peak zealot
6 dashes is twice as good as 3 dashes
also, the +25% damage from gilga special is nice
It is honestly my favorite pure dash run at this point
But I want to get the perfect nuts at least once before I stop playing hades
Hell, doing balde dash runs is what made me realize I was undervaluing Euridice refreshing nectar and the "next boon is higher rarity" from fountains
The fact that they apply to hermes is HUGE
peak zealot
I swear hermes rerolls have broken RNG though. I keep rerolling into 2/3 of the same boon
for reference, I'm in styx now and a single blade dash rift is dealing over a thousand damage
warm turtle
just got the game today, managed to put enough runs in that I have the gun now, and man that thing is the weapon for me
peak zealot
Nice, that means you should start unlocking aspects soon
warm turtle
Already have gotten 8 extra ammo for the gun
Cuz I beat meg on sword, shield, gun, and fists
peak zealot
Aspect of hestia is my personal favorite gun. Big hits are so satisfying in this game
warm turtle
I like the normal gun with the homing arrows on hit
peak zealot
not much point in going for aspect of hestia until you can max it out though
distant quiver
what happens if you refuse to take back the ambrosia from dusa?
warm turtle
Loving the poison and grenade builds
peak zealot
I think the most impactful aspect at your spot in progressive is probably aspect of posiedon on sword. It does the cool thing at lvl 1
peak zealot
@distant quiver nothing, you just lose ambrosia
warm turtle
I mean I get the tri-nade whenever it's offered
warm turtle
Then I just run around throwing grenades everywhere like a lunatic
peak zealot
5 nades + rocket is so much fun if you can get it
half zephyr
what happens if you refuse to take back the ambrosia from dusa?
you get some other dialogue then if you decide to take it back
but other then that nothing
warm turtle
5 nades + rocket is so much fun if you can get it
I got the funny tri-nade plus purple Hermes special boost once
half zephyr
I let her keep it cuz she's mah platonic soul mate & I love sneks & she's got so many sneks 
warm turtle
Grenades. Everywhere.
peak zealot
I let her keep them too. first play through, I didn't know any better, second play through, I realized I'd have plenty of ambrosia
warm turtle
If your screen isn't covered in explosion targeting circles you're playing the game wrong
And I would play Eris but I don't have it yet
And shut up I know hazard bomb exists
half zephyr
I let her keep them too. first play through, I didn't know any better, second pl...
ye, but I don't mind working for them =w=
half zephyr
And shut up I know hazard bomb exists
no one said anything tho 
peak zealot
I mean, you just get so much ambrosia
half zephyr
by the time I did dusas hearts I'd all but maxed all the gods 
I didn't need too much ambro
warm turtle
no one said anything tho <:hehe:744708898656878692>
I used hazard bomb once, got a boon for increased AoE, and oneshot myself
half zephyr
warm turtle
intelligence
half zephyr
gg
warm turtle
Peak gameplay
peak zealot
I maxed out bounties yesterday on my second playthrough, have everything fully upgraded everywhere.... and currenlty have 52 basically useless ambrosia
warm turtle
I mean, being fair, the whole screen died with me
half zephyr
well, I has to go again 
peak zealot
take care
ugh... so close to perfect build. all I'm missing is +3 dashes.
well, time to melt hades
pure heart
@pure hamlet @low sleet will there be sequel for hades?
warm turtle
Tisiphone is pain btw
Rage fury is fine, beat her first try, Meg is fine
Tisiphone?
Always lose to her. Always.
peak zealot
IDK, I feel like tisiphone is the easiest to kill. Just because she can't get far away
modern garnet
tisiphone is extremely predictable, but extremely punishing if you don't predict her
warm turtle
Yeah but she does her bullet rings and it's like
distant quiver
why is poseiden such a dufus
modern garnet
that's how she turns from the hardest to the easiest
warm turtle
her bullet rings can and will shotgun you
warm turtle
that's how she turns from the hardest to the easiest
That explains it
I just mash dash key 90% of the time and then shoot the other 10%
peak zealot
You have double dashes right? you can dash through the bullet rings. If you have a fast enough attack, you can also get the spacing right and mash through the bullets
warm turtle
I double dash yes
peak zealot
most projectiles can be destroyed by attacking them
peak zealot
Should still work if you make some distance
warm turtle
Hard to do in the tiny box
modern garnet
gun might be the hardest weapon for tisiphone
warm turtle
But gun is so good tho
modern garnet
or maybe bow
modern garnet
gun isn't the best in every single situation
peak zealot
bow can at least knock down the projectiles with a special or two
warm turtle
Hey want to hear a joke
peak zealot
And IDK, Hestia + posiedon dash might be the best in every single situation
warm turtle
Athena boon grenade
modern garnet
hehe
peak zealot
does athena special even deflect?
warm turtle
I believe so
modern garnet
anyway yeah if you wanna beat tisiphone maybe sword is the weapon you need
athena cast is pretty good actually
have you had it with the duo?
peak zealot
ya, posiedon sword + athena cast is easy mode
warm turtle
Athena cast covers gun's weaknesses pretty nicely
Never had the duo for Athena cast yet
I've had the minimum epic rarity duo, and I’ve had the uhh
+1 Pom duo
peak zealot
eh.... phalanx shot is fine. Its not ice wine
warm turtle
I like the homing arrow artemis boon
warm turtle
do you have the whole mirror unlocked?
Yes but not maxed
modern garnet
if you flip the second to last mirror option over to green, you'll start getting duos way more often
peak zealot
if you want to do gun builds, you probably want zeus + artemis. Zeus attack + artemis secondary fire is really nice
warm turtle
Artemis secondary fire is hilarious with gun
It basically doubles your fire rate
Same with zeus attack
peak zealot
thats the idea ya.
And zeus + artemis has a decent duo boon too. Not great, but decent
warm turtle
even funnier is when you get the bouncing shot on the gun with zeus so you all of the sudden have some pretty silly crowd control potential
modern garnet
lightning rod is great if you're already deeply invested into lightning strikes
which won't naturally be the case on gun
warm turtle
On gun you want poison or crits I’d imagine
brisk trail
but gun exactly wants to invest into zeus if you run zeus on it
warm turtle
Btw the Artemis universal crit chance boon can make your poison crit because that makes sense
peak zealot
universe crit chance can make everything crit.
modern garnet
if you run zeus attack you're not gonna benefit much from lightning strike boons
warm turtle
I know
crude surge
why not
warm turtle
But it's still silly
brisk trail
oh yeah there was a difference between strikes and bolts or somethin?
peak zealot
Does the dio+artemis duo also affect poison damage?
brisk trail
in any way jolted still sick
modern garnet
zeus attack does chain lightning, zeus special does lightning bolt, lightning rod does lightning bolt
brisk trail
splitting headache is also universal crit rate yeah
warm turtle
I got it with ares special and dio attack
peak zealot
@modern garnet zeus dash is an acceptible option if you already want zeus boons.
warm turtle
and it's pretty decent
peak zealot
so bolt upgrades are possible
modern garnet
oh thats true
warm turtle
The reason I took ares special?
peak zealot
but ya, its not something that is essential for the gun
warm turtle
Little armored twerps taking two nades/shots to kill
Nah. Screw that.
Just inflict the sword thingy on them and let them die from the delayed second hit
That said if I get the triple grenade usually I stop using the gun for the most part unless I have a chaos curse active that doesn't let me use grenades without killing myself
peak zealot
if it works for you, go for it. Personally, I don't tend to take doom effects unless I'm moving towards merciful end
warm turtle
Why? Because exploding everything is fun.
I threw it on there and discovered the duo boon on accident
Ngl the ares dio duo is pretty nice
Makes your poison ticks faster.
Anyone got tips for chaos boons other than like
Always take them
Especially if their drawback isn't something you care about, like no casting on gun build
Who needs cast when you have gun and grenade
peak zealot
always take them. Boss fights happen on floor 14, 24, and 36. So don't take a chaos boon if it will debilitate you for the boss fight
I play on switch, so if I press select I can see what floor I'm currently on
there should be away to 'view details' of your boons and stuff on every platform though
note that the floor before the boss fight is always going to be a free room, so if a chaos boons will screw you for the next 3 encounters, and the chaos room is room 10, then you won't have time to clear the chaos effect before the boss fight
warm turtle
What about keepsakes? I either use chaos keepsake or Nyx keepsake
peak zealot
nice. Multiple chaos boosts I guess?
spiral moon
2 epic chaos gems and darknesss boosts, and the poseidon one
the poseidon one is rare tho
and dark thirst
warm turtle
Why aren't you using the once per room die one?
peak zealot
what does that work out to... +484%
warm turtle
No I mean the can die for free once per room
peak zealot
Mostly, having 3 50% revives is better
warm turtle
Unless, like me, you die left and right
peak zealot
Well, if you are dying left and right, 30% health gain probably isn't going to cut it either
peak zealot
If it works for you, it works. But consensus is that triple revive is better until you start going for very high heat runs
spiral moon
oh
3 death defies is way better imo
braxbro try to play more defensive to prevent that
yayyyy
@peak zealot
warm turtle
“More defensive”
peak zealot
I'm a bit jealous
spiral moon
174 gems
peak zealot
eh.... gems aren't the limiting resource in late game anyway
but 5x darkness is great
warm turtle
the faster everything else dies the less time I have to mess up and die
spiral moon
i like trading them for honey
bc im working on maxing out all hearts
that makes sense braxbro
try shield w zeus aspect
peak zealot
thats a generally good stance to take, but if it is the path you want to go down, you need to be dealing way more damage
spiral moon
i always take the least amount of damage w that build
warm turtle
I like grenade spam because I just dash everywhere and throw out my three nades
Props if they're zeus nades
spiral moon
i just usually use my death defies on the hades fight, or sometimes ill die once on theseus
thats why death defy seems better to me
peak zealot
you may find that you are dashing too much. Mostly, you should dash to get OUT of trouble, not dash to get into combat. Especially with the gun which is effective only at long range
warm turtle
i just usually use my death defies on the hades fight, or sometimes ill die once...
I death defy on hydra and on like every other room in Elysium
peak zealot
and to go back to your earlier question. The best trinkets are the trinkets that force an encounter with a specific god. After those, extra health (with 3x death defiance) or an extra death defiance (if using 30% recovery) are probably the best trinkets
elysium was really hard when I first got to it too
warm turtle
Chariots.
peak zealot
is it mini chariots or big chariots giving you trouble?
warm turtle
THERE ARE TWO KINDS?
warm turtle
The purple wheel ones that hit me really hard
odd lake
about the trinkets acorn is also rly nice for elysium/final boss
peak zealot
@half zephyr there are also armored variants, hades variants, and upgraded armored variants. but maybe those don't count as a kind either
half zephyr
<@!162307945911025664> there are also armored variants, hades variants, and upgr...
that's variants isn't it?
still the same ones, but with an added oomph
peak zealot
I mean,is a variant a "kind"
spiral moon
@warm turtle poseidon knockaway boons should help you with the ones that hit you (aka the big ones)
peak zealot
we are doing philosophy now
half zephyr
whereas flaming, big boi & ||em3|| are all different
warm turtle
I just run like a coward
peak zealot
@warm turtle for real. posiedon dash is OPOP on most builds, especially gun
warm turtle
usually I use the spear bois to kill em
half zephyr
one explodes, one runs you over & the last ||contains a raving lunatic with a great laugh||
warm turtle
Poseidon dash is stupid. I killed a thing with dash by juggling it into a wall only because my gun was banned by chaos
half zephyr
splash dash is great
warm turtle
Yeah, it's stupid in a good way
peak zealot
I mean, its annoying in that it just kind of does more damage than your melee
but ya
half zephyr
ye, but I wanna punch things!
peak zealot
sure, but splash dash kills faster anyway
half zephyr
not as satisfying
spiral moon
ares dash with the pull and extended time boon is still my favorite dash
warm turtle
I want gun. The game has a gun and grenade launcher, you really think I'm going to punch things when I have a gun?
half zephyr
I don't like guns
rail is one of my most effective weapons, sure, but that doesn't mean I like it
peak zealot
@spiral moon agreed. Gilga + +3 dashes + hyper sprint + move speed damage + blade dash + pull + larger rifts + 20 poms is so much fun
half zephyr
the only time I like guns is when I can snipe
spiral moon
@peak zealot i need to try that out, that sounds like heaven
warm turtle
I can go everywhere and shoot fast without having to hold the button to charge up or anything
peak zealot
@spiral moon Its so hard to get all 3 hermes boons.... But for reference, Hyper spring + move speed damage + ~20 poms lets each blade rift deal over 1000 damage
warm turtle
I also shieldscoot when I have shield
spiral moon
w h a t
peak zealot
everything dies so fast
spiral moon
after this run im gonna go for that
half zephyr
I also shieldscoot when I have shield
you what?
warm turtle
It just hits faster than sword and has a hitbox
half zephyr
with some attacks now & then
warm turtle
Shield is my go to “juggle enemies on the wall” weapon
half zephyr
mostly I try to just push others into my beyblade
peak zealot
@spiral moon some hints, force ares, then switch to the flower. On euridice, take "your next boon is upgraded" whenever possible and try to hold onto them until you encounter hermes. And try to avoid everyone other than ares and sell any boons that aren't helping blade dash.
spiral moon
ty
peak zealot
The key reason the build works is that blade dash scales really well with poms. At +20 levels, each 'hit' of a blade dash is dealing about 55-60 damage. And they hit about 7-9 times per rift, and then you get multipliers on top of that
spiral moon
https://gyazo.com/e6dbec12937ac4c283f1049514f8db99 @peak zealot
crude surge
oh my
spiral moon
how do i find pacts in the administrative chambers?
spiral moon
for sisyphus and such
half zephyr
aah, work orders
half zephyr
for sisyphus and such
you need nyx at 5 hearts - she'll tell you where they are at some point with her dialogue
spiral moon
she did, do i have to do another run to refresh it and be able to view?
half zephyr
possibly
heady cedar
Erm, so I just loaded my game and instead of loading me to the chambers, it loads to before I even started the run at all? I am still new to the game, but it definitely saved- do I just have to redo the whole run again? 
Yep, redoing the same run again, weird tho, it said saved less than a minute ago when I quit from the chambers
vapid narwhal
how did you leave your last run?
make sure you used Quit and not Give Up
and def not Alt F4 or game crash
half zephyr
And no exit & close w/o save & quit on switch
dense quarry
how to have guns? i can't find it in shop
broken nest
Question... I have 87 keys. I don't know what they are used for anymore. I unlocked the mirror and the weapons. Are they good for anything else?
ashen nova
You can use them to buy nectar from the broker in the house
broken nest
That's true. I didn't want to do that if they had some other utility. Good to know that's all they're good for now.
brisk trail
badges
broken nest
What are those?
brisk trail
you get them from the guy in hades' room
theyre useless
they cost keys and darkness
heady cedar
make sure you used Quit and not Give Up
I used Quit
lone patrol
Hey I just wanted to know whether we could expect some future major content updates in the next months or if we won't
lone patrol
yeah I saw latest patches being bug fixes and few optimizations
Nothing planned for like 2022 then?
broken nest
Woohoo! I just got the true ending
Spoiler ||And it's a good thing. I don't think I could have taken on Hades at the end. I was low on death defiances!||
half zephyr
Question... I have 87 keys. I don't know what they are used for anymore. I unloc...
Theme
half zephyr
how to have guns? i can't find it in shop
You need to buy the other weapons first
broken nest
Sure! What does that entail? More runs?
broken nest
||persephone|| kinda told you what to do <a:bunnygirlroll:744708857149784145>
So the real game is ||tending to the garden? This is just stardew valley with extra steps, isn't it?||
unborn remnant
half zephyr
So the real game is ||tending to the garden? This is just stardew valley with ex...
Ah, maybe she hasn’t told you yet then
Just make friends with everyone
remote lily
https://twitter.com/wario64/status/1393565867519082497?s=21
Seems like a fake. I see no reason why Take Two apply for that if SGG self-publish all its games. Except iPad versions which ware re-published by SGG recently.
And Bastion, which was their first game and was published by Warner Bros.
humble lotus
I just got an insane setup
The setup is dionysus's attack boon, festive flare, black out, and ice wine all on hera bow
signal aspen
nice
gray dust
I don't really get how to use the ability of the ||aspect of Chaos||. I play on switch. Can someone explain, please?
signal aspen
I don't really get how to use the ability of the ||aspect of Chaos||. I play on ...
after your bullrush the next time you use your special you will through extra shields
unborn remnant
And Bastion, which was their first game and was published by Warner Bros.
very well could be
still interesting though
gray dust
after your bullrush the next time you use your special you will through extra sh...
I have either misunderstood what it meant or I am doing something wrong. It seems to just not work for me
signal aspen
hold down your attack
brisk trail
Quick question: what's the max heat you can reach in this game?
signal aspen
64
brisk trail
👀 I got a long way to go then oh boy
gray dust
"...among us..."
-Aphrodite, goddess of love
signal aspen
amogus
brisk trail
sus
brisk trail
Quick question: what's the max heat you can reach in this game?
but it gets progressively harder as you go
only adding a few heat on makes very little difference
but it gets exponentially harder
heady cedar
Finally beat Hades on my 18th run!
signal aspen
nice
brisk trail
I got that, 1 heat was kicking my ass until I got gud
brisk trail
Time to clutch up baybee
heady cedar
Good luck eyy
brisk trail
Ohh, 100% sounds hard
Believe me
brisk trail
Good luck eyy
Thank you too ayy
heady cedar
Yashh
signal aspen
yeah 64 heat is impossible
brisk trail
impossible like no ones ever beat it or impossible like the game wont let you beat it
It isn't? I'm not talking about achievements or whatever I literally just want to do everything you possibly can in this game
impossible as in someone has yet to beat it without routing and rng manip
gotcha
Yiiikes
well @brisk trail can be the first
Thank you I'll try
good luck yeah
and I dont rly consider routing as part of a normal playthrough
What is routing?
basicially you route out rng manipulation for the game
Oh ok
so you know what room you get, what boons ect
it takes a lot of time, is done with external tools usually ect
Ah ok
and even if you got it routed out the run itself is super hard
All I know is that Aegis is cracked 64 heat ain't nothing
Can't beat Aegis
Kidding ofc
lol
Unless... ?
ingame rewards go up still 32 heat
after that u get nothing
brisk trail
so thats what 100% usually is
Oh ok good to know
One day I will beat 64 heat no boons no hammers vanilla game
Watch
yes 👁️
Time to become Das Extrëmer Hades Spielerin
ah, a fellow german speaker
I don't speak German
However
Das Extrëmer Hades Spielerin sounds cooler than The Extreme Hades Gamer
fair enough
also german doesnt use the e with umlaut
Oh it doesn't? Good to know
yeah, just as us and os
brisk trail
I always thought German was a cool language I've always wanted to learn
brisk trail
64 heat mirrorless
On Hell Mode 👁👃👁
you can only get 64 heat on hell mode
What does Hell Mode even do?
crude surge
Makes you start with heat
brisk trail
it makes it so that you always have a certain 5 heat turned on
and one of those heat things is only available in hell mode
Oh ok I see
max you can get outside of hell mode is 63
Oh ok
oblique kelp
Does anyone know how to get patroclus to talk to you?
brisk trail
Talk to Achilles 👀
signal aspen
ye you have to talk to achilles i think
oblique kelp
Yeah I talk to Achilles every time I can, and he's already mentioned patroclus
signal aspen
you have to wait a long time
oblique kelp
Said if I see him, say hi
I said I wouldn't know what he looks like, and that was that
brisk trail
Yeah Patroclus is pretty cold until he isn't and then he's practically your main man bro dude
brisk trail
I said I wouldn't know what he looks like, and that was that
Oh you don't know where he is?
void vigil
did you check his entry in the codex?
brisk trail
you mispelled the german tho 😔 (oh someone already said that)
oblique kelp
Yes I've checked his entry in the codex many times
Is there a specific time I have to do it?
Ive done 63 runs btw, so I would have thought I'd have him by now
craggy barn
deadly flourish hazard bomb is not funny
warm turtle
Why, does it crit you too?
brisk trail
does it matter? its a literal nuke to your enemies
warm turtle
I got Athena hazard bomb and it was stupid
signal aspen
Hazard bomb does too much damage
warm turtle
To who?
signal aspen
I once did 5-6k to a boss
brisk trail
through the roof
warm turtle
hazard+cluster has got to be the most exhilerating combination
Aren't those blacklisted from working together
signal aspen
Ye they don't work
brisk trail
im just daydreaming
warm turtle
Then allow me to present to you the delightful theoretical of tri-shot hazard bomb
signal aspen
What about rocket cluster hazard bomb
brisk trail
you would literally 1 hit phase hades
warm turtle
Alecto is easy holy cow
The AI is so dumb with her movement
She literally just walks on the spikes for free 100 damage hits
brisk trail
Just beat another run :)
warm turtle
you would literally 1 hit phase hades
I've gotten hermes 30% special speed and hazard bomb before, it was kinda stupid
brisk trail
oh man
brisk trail
Just beat another run :)
pog
warm turtle
we're talking phasing bosses in two or three shots
and throwing out grenades incredibly liberally
didn't win tho, died to a trap + my own hazard bomb after going for a greedy chaos boon
Honestly that's kinda how things be for me
I go for a greedy chaos boon and get whacked for it
signal aspen
rip
warm turtle
Those Elysium ballistas hurt hard too
brisk trail
man, i hate it when i just get super low rolled
i got a daedalus first room so i decided to do a spear run, proceeded to not even get the prerequisite for splitting NOR smoldering the whole run, just didnt have enough damage for hades
should mention, the only reason i was continuing the run was because i had flurry jab from the beginning
just a really annoying run -_-
lean path
brisk trail
Halfway to true ending!
lean path
👀
modern garnet
What if zag is actually really small
What if the giant rats in styx are actually just regular rat sized
Zag and everyone he knows is mouse sized
brisk trail
Then all of the shades have shrunk.
modern garnet
Yeah that's what happens when you die i guess
Though.... there's also a lot of human skeletons around so maybe not
half zephyr
they don't all "hate" hades
crude surge
Well they treat him poorly at least
half zephyr
well ye
he's got the "worst" job & lives in the underworld & all
but it's not really "hate"
crude surge
Dont they like exclude him or something though
idk I feel like I remember that being a thing
split ermine
https://twitter.com/wario64/status/1393565867519082497?s=21
Does this mean it's coming to consoles soon??
lean path
Idk
crude surge
What is that
brisk trail
Korea's ESRB equivalent just rated Hades on the PS4.
Means it's possible that Hades is getting a release on the PS4.
AY, THERE'S THE RED COAT.
Oh, that was the City Escape hill!
brisk trail
Oh.
Because there's no sun in the Underworld, just Ixion providing a constant light source, there's no indicative passage of time like the rising and setting of the sun on the surface.
And a sundial in particular would be completely unable to tell time.
So it's "always" 7:48.
harsh geode
Hey i'm sure you got many messages @primal plinth but i really wanna congrats you for doing such amazing soundtracks. You make me listen to them everyday in the transports, especially the sang ones 
signal aspen
That's not her room lmao
south comet
how many lines do each gods have for boons? jesus
I have over 35 runs I I have yet to hear a line I've already heard
brisk trail
theres smth like 20000 unique dialogue lines in this game i think
signal aspen
how many lines do each gods have for boons? jesus
There are like 11 lines in the entire game
south comet
There are like 11 lines in the entire game
per god?
crude surge
No just in total across all characters
In total only 11 lines
Script is less than a page long
brisk trail
ive practically got it memorized now
narrow hemlock
how many lines do each gods have for boons? jesus
olympians have roughly ~240 lines, give or take
brisk trail
All boon dialogue, specialty dialogue like weapon or romance, Nectar/Ambrosia gifts, and other incidentals like that?
narrow hemlock
all dialogue in total
thats per god, in case thats not clear
it varies but the vast majority of them hover around 220-240
but that is every single thing they say in game, including the repeated pool of dialogue
people cite the high number of dialogue the game has, and while thats true, bear in mind like half of that is just zag's lines lol. the olympians and other npc that dont have as large a role in the narrative only tend to have 200-300 lines of dialogue each
glad leaf
do upgrades like double edge that make attacks hit twice actually double the damage output?
brisk trail
Double Edge is the best Hammer for Stygius besides Aspect of Poseidon.
signal aspen
Bruh
glad leaf
lol shhh
signal aspen
No
glad leaf
that moment when you accidentally take 20 damage to plague because your brain stopped working and cant find the curer
crude surge
Mood
south comet
is there a reason as to why the give up button rolls back your save instead of just killing you?
brisk trail
So you don't log the run maybe?
to save the seed mostly
lets say you get daedalus in the first room
and you really wanna do a spear run where you need flurry jab
you can give up
and switch to spear
and the hammer will still be there
south comet
if that was the intention
brisk trail
Ohh cool
south comet
then why did they call it give up
you're not giving up, you're just loading an old save
south comet
I guess I just expected it to kill you lol
idk it's odd to me but I guess I get why it does this
brisk trail
practice
crude surge
Go for mino first
south comet
at first I thought it was to prevent someone from killing the first boss and killing themselves to farm titan blood
or same for hydra
warm turtle
I thought theseus was the threat tho
south comet
or whatever
but you can still kill yourself pretty easily without the button so it can't be that
crude surge
Theseus is less disruptive in his first half
brisk trail
at first I thought it was to prevent someone from killing the first boss and kil...
you cant get more than 1 bounty at 1 heat level
brisk trail
I thought theseus was the threat tho
Just dodge him while you kill bull man
and until you complete that heat level you only get darkness
crude surge
You also don’t want the Bill around when Theseus gets below half
warm turtle
Theseus is less disruptive in his first half
I had both below half at once lel
brisk trail
do heat 1 on each weapon, move up
no but it keeps you at that heat level
south comet
does it count if you don't kill hades
brisk trail
even if you increase the heat, you still get the previous heat level bounties
ill see if i can get a screenshot to show you
south comet
well you can still get 6 titan blood per heat level if you do that
12 if you complete each run
brisk trail
sure, but you could do that anyway by beating the fury and then killing yourself
at the end of the day youre still stuck cause you cant get any more titans blood without killing hades
south comet
I guess so
still, if you really want titan blood then I don't see how it's not viable?
if you think you can kill hades consistently
warm turtle
Observation: it's kind of hard to keep theseus' health high and mino's health low with hazard bomb
brisk trail
it perfectly is
brisk trail
if youve got good damage just get theseus out of there
crude surge
You also have a regular attack
warm turtle
That had chain lightning on it so it suffered the same issue lol
crude surge
True
warm turtle
all in all i was dealing even damage to both even after you factored call and cast
Is rocket bomb good?
warm turtle
beats hazard?
signal aspen
Yeah
brisk trail
yup clockets
warm turtle
Why not tri shot rocket tho
brisk trail
clockets makes me happy (:
warm turtle
Cluster rockets fire in a spread tho
Meaning you have to get close for single target
signal aspen
It is worth it
reef wharf
Meaning you have to get close for single target
dash in dash out
signal aspen
The damage is insane
brisk trail
it doesnt matter if youre close to them if they instantly die
warm turtle
Tempest strike is pretty good on gun btw
reef wharf
that is also true
signal aspen
Bruh how
warm turtle
Helps with keeping things out of your face
signal aspen
Tidal dash is better
brisk trail
Tidal dash is better
this tbh
reef wharf
Helps with keeping things out of your face
generally, tidal dash on ranged weapons is better because melee enemies cant touch you
warm turtle
But wall juggling
reef wharf
its a free status boon as well
brisk trail
But wall juggling
you could also just mow them down with splitting
reef wharf
since divine dash requires you to get reaaally close
unborn remnant
might start a new game file to see how long it takes to reach the credits with dash only
unborn remnant
b button go brrr
but fr, splash dash is great
much better if you have gilgamesh
brisk trail
Enkidu claws I want so bad
unborn remnant
Enkidu?
south comet
I'm at a point where I have genuinely no idea how to unlock the aspects I don't have, but idk if I should look it up
signal aspen
I'm at a point where I have genuinely no idea how to unlock the aspects I don't ...
Check the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion if you want to know
grave kayak
When you DESTROY hades in the first round, have all your DDs, but get greedy and lose. Literally wana snap my switch over my forehead lol
brisk trail
Happened today to me on PC 😔
signal aspen
I can't relate because I'm too good
modern garnet
By the time I get to hades I'm usually tired... and his attacks are real punishing
sturdy sphinx
I really like tidal dash with arthur aspect just so much aggressive damage
Also wall slams be hittin
livid canyon
um wat's are the dialog that will unlock the final heart of Demeter and Charon
stiff musk
that happened to me once
fists on sliver of health of 2nd phase figured i could burn him down
didnt look at the wacky death ray telegraph
got stuck in animation
WOW you got killed by redacted AGAIN??
guan yu also exploits my hubris a lot
stiff musk
I really like tidal dash with arthur aspect just so much aggressive damage
did that with nemesis today
malding over no divine dash so i took tidal instead
i already had dash strike build but i didnt realize just how insane it was
modern garnet
um wat's are the dialog that will unlock the final heart of Demeter and Charon
Charon's final heart requires you to have spent a bunch of money in the shop, demeter's final heart requires the epilogue to happen
brisk trail
I just used Merciful End for the first time on Asterius and the other one
It's so good
Merciful End my beloved
Merciful End my beloved
stiff musk
i have not gotten merciful end yet
livid canyon
i did both but still nothing happen
i believe i spent like 20k at Charon shop by now
still nothing
narrow hemlock
keep playing, they will happen at some point.
there is no way to force specific dialogue to come up
so long as you have met the requirements you'll get it
narrow hemlock
nah its rarely bugged
rng just sucks sometimes
the game checks to see that you've met the minimum requirements for certain dialogue, and enters that dialogue into your available pool of dialogue that can potentially come up when you speak with someone
livid canyon
how do i check if i have enough gold bout Charon
just
incase
does it count on every shop or just his normal shop
narrow hemlock
there isnt any way for the player to check. if you're unsure if you've met that requirement, then continue purchasing items
any obol spent with charon counts
livid canyon
then i definitely had over 10k
narrow hemlock
it'll come up
sometimes you may see what you're looking for right away, other times it may take a while. doesn't mean theres any bugs at play, its just rng doing rng things
livid canyon
can i force Demeter dialog by equiping her keepsake
so far she didnt say anything new
crude surge
Does relationship dialogue not have priority?
livid canyon
idk
wraith ginkgo
how many different lands do you have to go through to escape?
narrow hemlock
theres 4 biomes
wraith ginkgo
ok, that means I'm about halfway through the game, thanks
chilly sonnet
Can you dodge any attack including projectiles or are some types of attacks undodgeable?
Cause I’m thinking of using an evade build w/ zag fists and plume and greater evasion for high heat runs for like 64% base dodge chance, plus ruthless reflex on top of that
Omg after more than 100’runs of the game I finally got a fishing point in chaos
And i caught the legendary fish first try
modern garnet
I think everything is dodgable... maybe not lava
wraith ginkgo
there's fishing?
modern garnet
Of course there's fishing, hades is a good game
crude surge
I looked in my codec and saw that I’m just missing every legendary fish
Two entries and then a blank one two entries and then a blank one, repeat
Gonna go cry now
modern garnet
You have to do perfect catches to get the highest tier fish
And then your odds are 50%
crude surge
Perfect catch just requires good reaction right
quaint wind
right
pulsar fable
I’ve gotten only the Asphodel legendary fish so far.
chilly sonnet
Ive gotten at least 4 perfect catches in Greece and I still haven’t gotten a sturgeon
crude surge
Just git bad smhmh
brisk trail
6th win baybee
crystal egret
clear python
Gg!
brisk trail
collection card?
half zephyr
strange leaf
collection card?
Yes! In Steam.
half zephyr
achievements?
strange leaf
Exactly
half zephyr
which one?
half zephyr
aah, character - not game
strange leaf
yes
half zephyr
it's on marketplace
half zephyr
it is
strange leaf
i need only this one card(Hades)
half zephyr
"Lord Hades"
strange leaf
yep
strange leaf
yes there is an option but no card(
maybe someone here knows wtf is happening)
i mean the game is very good and popular but i can't find it for a long time
i check every day
half zephyr
lol
I only just connected my main file to steam & suddenly achievements are rolling in
from 0 to 36 in 2 seconds
wao, only 6.9% of players (on steam) reaches the epilogue? O_o
and only 5.8% get all companions 
the things you learn
hmm.. I know I've done some of these locked achievements too..
maybe I'll have to actually do them on steam & not just on my switch for it to register
half zephyr
i check every day
Well, 5 were sold early today so I’m sure you’ll get it one day!
Good luck~
brisk trail
anyone got any tips on getting hermes' legendary? i need it for prophecy and ive tried like 4 runs now to get it and failed every time /:
half zephyr
anyone got any tips on getting hermes' legendary? i need it for prophecy and ive...
plume
and you have to have the right bloodstone mirror effect equipped depending on which of the legendaries you're after
brisk trail
and you have to have the right bloodstone mirror effect equipped depending on wh...
im after both
so right now it doesnt matter which
half zephyr
then plume
brisk trail
and ive run plume a few times, still no luck
i guess ill just keep trying then
thanks
half zephyr
plume, the increased duo/legendary mirror, yarn, eurydice future boon rarity boost, chaos boon rarity boost
half zephyr
fated persuasion
brisk trail
thanks thats actually really helpful
half zephyr
get them dice
half zephyr
then save for hermes
brisk trail
alrighty
void vigil
hmm.. I know I've done some of these locked achievements too..
maybe I'll have t...
some of the achievements that can be reasonably unlocked in a run youll have to redo on steam for it to register, like "bad call" or "haste of hermes", but achievements that are story related or can only be done once should have been unlocked
half zephyr
some of the achievements that can be reasonably unlocked in a run youll have to ...
I find it fun that I have all the work order achievements, but I don't have the "access to admin chamber" one
it kinda looks like I've cheated lol
half zephyr
and ofc I don't get the extreme measures one 
eh, I'll play on steam once when I get my controller back
half zephyr
maybe you have to access the admin chamber again for it to unlock?
maybe 
I just wanted to check if anything would happen at all if I went on my main file on steam instead of switch
kinda fun to see which achievements didn't get registered too 
warm turtle
Tiny pest scares me
dark lark
got a quick question, anyone who uses Dualshock and Xbox 1 controllers a) how do you open the boon manager (that list on the side of all your boons) and b) how do you open codex
pastel ridge
wich heaty lvl is required for next titan blood
signal aspen
what
every heat level from 1-20 will give you titan blood
but you need to kill hades to advance to the next level
signal aspen
what
pastel ridge
:((((
crude surge
wich heaty lvl is required for next titan blood
One above the you’re highest. For that point, if you’ve gotten blood at 5 but the diamond at 4 then you can’t run 5 to get blood again
sturdy sphinx
I think uh, I put artemis attack on Achilles spear after I got big spin hammer upgrade and I think it got rid of my big spin?
sturdy sphinx
Yeah I am like 90% sure
I finished the run without doing more spin attacks after trying a couple times but I'll investigate
But the big spin was very big and red and Artemis spin was like regular size and green even after holding to max
sturdy sphinx
Yeah maybe. But also wow Achilles blade rift cast build is crazy
signal aspen
ye
sturdy sphinx
I got vicious cycle and hunting blades and the black metal thing and the whatever other one for the blades
It was like very ez mode
teal sand
nnn im so pissed
i was on my first run with the hidden spear aspect
had 3 death defiances going into phase 2 hades
and got comboed so hard
:/
pastel ridge
One above the you’re highest. For that point, if you’ve gotten blood at 5 but th...
İs it possible to go below 5 heat
crude surge
yes
pastel ridge
İ can play at minimum 5
crude surge
I was just saying 5 and 4 as a random example
crude surge
are you on Hell Mode?
crude surge
On Hell mode 5 heat is a minimum
pastel ridge
Can tou pkay eith heat on normal mode
crude surge
In normal game you unlock heat after your first clear
pastel ridge
Oh ok
crude surge
But there is one heat con that is exclusive to Hell mode
signal aspen
in hell mode you unlock heat at the beginning, and in normal mode you unlock heat after your first clear
hell mode makes you play with at least 5 heat
signal aspen
if you complete a clear on a higher heat level you will get the rewards for the lowest heat level on that weapon
pastel ridge
In normal mode to get your 2nd. Blood from meg at lest 5 heat right
signal aspen
no
you can get blood from meg at 0 heat and 1 heat and 2 heat and 3 heat and 4 heat and 5 heat and 6 heat and 7 heat and 8 heat and 9 heat and 10 heat and 11 heat and 12 heat and 13 heat and 14 heat and 15 heat and 16 heat and 17 heat and 18 heat and 19 heat and 20 heat
high island
Bounties go up to 20 Heat in normal mode and 25 in Hell mode.
pastel ridge
Bounties go up to 20 Heat in normal mode and 25 in Hell mode.
I was gonna ask so you get same amount of rewards
Thanks
high island
You don't because you don't get 0 Heat rewards. But by the point you have that many bounties, it doesn't really matter anyway.
buoyant merlin
wraith ginkgo
I almost defeated the boss in elysium but I died when the boss was very close to dying
I'll try again later today
pastel ridge
I almost defeated the boss in elysium but I died when the boss was very close to...
Happened yesterday to me
brisk trail
I feel like if Thanatos was real he would have Heelies
wraith ginkgo
theseus is annoying
brisk trail
True
wraith ginkgo
I feel like if Thanatos was real he would have Heelies
I can see that
brisk trail
heelies in "Death comes."
wraith ginkgo
heelies you to your death
patent burrow
omg i love the boon rare crop
signal aspen
rare crop is the best because it always hits the boon that you dont need for your build
same with eurydice
she always upgrades the rarity of the boons you dont need for your build
modern garnet
Just get less boons
signal aspen
thats not gonna help
modern garnet
Every boon you get makes your poms less consistent
glad leaf
Is there some secret to beating the final boss? I see a lot of people that seem to do it effortlessly in a very short amount of time and I'm wondering if my play style is flawed. All I do is dodge, and special -> double dash strike and repeat
With nemesis
signal aspen
skill
brisk trail
the more damage you get the easier it is
unless im doing a higher heat, i generally build very glass cannon-y
and that works well
signal aspen
you need to lower the health of your enemies to 0 while keeping your health above 0
ive found that that strategy works best
brisk trail
very smart
signal aspen
i dont know if it is optimal but it has worked for me
glad leaf
I've never died with that strategy working
signal aspen
weird
storm pagoda
the best strategy is not dying
signal aspen
no not really
modern garnet
By the time I leave elysium I usually have something that kills really good
signal aspen
damn i wish that happened to me in my last run
modern garnet
Generally you can afford to play carefully against hades, I think
storm pagoda
sometimes i get a godlike, epic run, the rest of the time, crap
modern garnet
The real trick is to play with em3 on, that way you never leave elysium unless you have something good cookin
wraith ginkgo
do you guys have any tips for theseus and the bull in elysium?
modern garnet
What kind of trouble are you having?
signal aspen
kill the bull first, learn attack patterns, use the pillars to avoid taking damage, make sure bull is dead before you get theseus to his second phase, when you see a pink crossair on you that means that theseus is gonna throw his spear at you, after he throws his spear he will turn around which means you can attack him, when he is in his second phase you should spend more time dodging the things he summons
wraith ginkgo
with theseus, I know with the bull just run and throw the sheild but theseus is challenging when he calls out one of the gods
modern garnet
Once the bull is gone you can slow way way down
Hit theseus with a max call if you've got one and then stay away for a minute as you look at what the god is doing
Then you can totally control theseus. If you're close he'll do spins, if you're far he'll do throws. Get him to do what is more comfortable for you to dodge with the god pattern
wraith ginkgo
ok, thanks!
eager escarp
Is there a reason to turn god mod off?
signal aspen
if you feel like you dont need it anymore you can turn it off
signal aspen
if you want a challenge you can start a hell mode save
eager escarp
Do people play more on god mode or non-god mode?
signal aspen
i think more people play on non-god mode
eager escarp
I’ve turned it in as soon it was available and never turn it off
Maybe I’ll still suck and not be able to finish a run
signal aspen
if you need it you should keep it on
half zephyr
I felt so good doing a run today on my hell mode file for the first time in weeks - doing a run in general in weeks tbh - and then I ran into Asterius in elysium & he reminded me that maybe I do need more then 125 max hp on hell mode 
I was doing so good too!
signal aspen
lmao rip
wraith ginkgo
Maybe I’ll still suck and not be able to finish a run
for me it was because of god mode that helped me defeat the bone hydra and you can keep it on for any reason. it's there for when you need that bit of help in battles
half zephyr
The worst part is that I just chose the wrong door XD
Both doors had the skull on it & I just happened to enter Asterius’
wraith ginkgo
rip
half zephyr
The worst part is that I just chose the wrong door XD
Both doors had the skull o...
Actually, no, the worst part is that I did survive & make it to the boss room & then Theseus killed me 
I managed to down Asterius, and had Theseus at 2nd phase, but then he sniped me with a spear while I was dashing away
signal aspen
thats the worst feeling in hades history
wraith ginkgo
again rip.
half zephyr
At least I got 4 keys out of it so now I’m halfway to rail
And that means I’m halfway to aspects~~
signal aspen
epic
half zephyr
I got so lucky with that run
I got that vicious spear hammer from the beginning & then the next room gave me aphro special
And then later on in the run I got chain skewer
I had Poseidon attack & ares dash
It wasn’t the best, but it was a nice welcome back
glad leaf
The real trick is to play with em3 on, that way you never leave elysium unless y...
This actually sounds like a semi good idea
south comet
am I missing something, or do zeus boons feel kind of underwhelming for the most part?
some are fine but most of them I don't think are very good
unless you have a full on zeus build, then it's not so bad
modern garnet
Chain lightning is good against crowds on fast weapons, useless otherwise
Lightning strikes get real strong if you build em up
Zeus is not a top tier god
signal aspen
Zeus is good on weapons that are fast hitting and have a low base damage
tight cave
Definitely depends on your weapon. Like, bow for example basically doesn't benefit at all from Zeus, while the rail is perfectly suited for Zeus boons (especially aspect of Eris, where lightning strike is essentially necessary).
livid canyon
another 20+ runs
no Charon bond forge
game really bugged out on me
he's the only one left
sighs
iron loom
anyone knows how many times dos one have to play the lyre to get the "gift of song" to complete? stg ive been here for almost 30 minutes playing this thing and nothing?
sturdy sphinx
@iron loom just play it a couple times in your room and do a run and then play again so on and so forth. Idk if you can brute force it
iron loom
thing is im like 3 achievements and 5 prophecies away from completion, thought i would try to get this now