h1-discussion

[uncut dagger]

remember to use the Dark Thirst to grind

[brisk trail]

I have no clue what that is and I try avoiding looking everything up

[uncut dagger]

oh, right

[compact badger]

And especially to not get stale. Changing weapons is part of the fun

[uncut dagger]

you'll get that when you unlock more weapons with the Cthonic Keys

[compact badger]

For the record, you're better off discussing at #h1-for-new-players , since this channel may have unmarked spoilers. Also avoid #h1-story-discussion for a while. And #fan-works , which has lots of things you'd find on your own

[steady sierra]

Asterius refuses to give me Gilgamesh 😭😭😭

[crude surge]

I had to do like 3 runs before Zeus gave me Lucifer

Was wondering if I was doing something wrong

[steady sierra]

It’s been many more runs than that for me rn

[signal aspen]

It took me 20 runs to get guan yu

[crude surge]

seriously

wow

[signal aspen]

Yeah

On my hell mode save

I used achilles spear to get guan yu, and in the admin chamber it says that I used achilles spear 27 times

[steady sierra]

I’m never lucky enough to get the Asterius fight

speaking of Asterius

ngl I found the Extreme Measures Champions easier than the normal fight

[crude surge]

I think Theseus on his own is easier

[signal aspen]

Yeah, theseus is easy, but bull can get annoying

[steady sierra]

although the solo Asterius fight is scary

[crude surge]

I always underestimate how long the stupid spinny attack is

[signal aspen]

I hate when the bull does like ten spins in a row

[modern garnet]

If you had a big axe and rocket armor, you'd spin too

[steady sierra]

bull fight does suck in the small room though

anyway, what special boon has the highest damage

Aphrodite?

[uncut dagger]

excellent question

one I can not answer

[modern garnet]

It's either aphrodite or artemis depending on a lot of things

Aphrodite gives big number%, but if you account for crits artemis can be better

But artemis scales worse with poms?

Advanced Hades Studies

[uncut dagger]

now that's a college course I'd take

[steady sierra]

Just get Aphrodite with Pressure Points, ezpz

[signal aspen]

Artemis has big number when crit

So technically artemis

[uncut dagger]

it depends on whether or not you're looking for consistent high damage or not

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kRqJP2m-6w3WsZVQiCsQtgwbeUmV2lghJVJAfQV_nU4/edit?usp=sharing

That's not accounting for t2 boons and stuff.

Just Heartbreak Flourish vs Deadly Flourish at different levels and rarities with varying bonus damage from other sources.

And that's average damage in a vacuum. It's not accounting for damage breakpoints.

[digital python]

*gets to final boss* *hades mentions extreme measures*
me: i didn't accidentally enable the final tier of extreme measures did i?
*fight starts* oh no

oh god i wasn't prepared for this ||he freaking summons minibosses HELL no||

||OH COME ON HE HAS THREE LIVES NOW???||

[modern garnet]

those measures sure are extreme

[digital python]

like i was doin good until i realized he had a third phase and i was like

immediately took my last death defiance & i died

[peak zealot]

So... I just had a run with 6 legenadary/Duo boons. I think thats a personal record

[digital python]

that's some amazing rng

[peak zealot]

They weren't even garbage boons either. They were all huge DPS buffs

I think I killed hades second life in under 10 seconds

like, including his invul time

[digital python]

damn

[peak zealot]

I had: Ice Wine, Scintallating Feast, smoldering Air (with dionysis call), splitting bolt, black out, and low tolerance. Every duo/legendary boon had synergy with at least one other duo/legendary boon

[digital python]

it's kind of a shame cuz i was having a pretty solid run my boon build was kinda wack cuz i immediately messed up and got hades & dionysus not poseiden and dionysus evne tho i was trying to go for exclusive access

but i was doin massive damage w/ aphro/arti crits & so many hangover stacks, i just wasn't prepared lmao

[peak zealot]

The idea of the build is to pump a hangover effect to level 20 or something so that the DPS starts to be good?

[digital python]

there wasn't an idea of the build i wanted to get exclusive acces and improvise from there but i immediately messed it up by going for a zeus boon first instead of posideon like an idiot

[peak zealot]

Ya, IDK, I start with poseidon on most of my builds this days. Splash dash is OPOP

[digital python]

i need to diversify cuz ngl all my builds r just demeter, artemis or aphrodite

ususally demeter i just go for biggest base dmg multipliers & that's it

[modern garnet]

how come boons from girls are so much better than boons from dudes

[peak zealot]

I use almost every god pretty equally at this point. It just depends on what weapon/aspect I'm using. The only god that seems a little left out is Ares

And ares isn't bad, he is just narrow. I've done merciful end and hunting blades too many times at this point

[digital python]

yea i just dont realy know enough abt proper boon builds so i just stick to what i know

but im pretty sure i coudl get a ton of fun out of other builds if i didn't do demeter/artemis. every. single. time

[peak zealot]

I don't think I started opening up my builds until I figured out that splash dash just lets you do whatever you want. Poseidon dash is good enough to carry pretty much anything. That gave me a ton of room to just try to build whatever while being able to fall back on splash dash while the builds were still non functional

@modern garnet I agree that the male gods do seem weaker. Not sure what that is about.

[digital python]

honestly i don't really get dash-based builds cuz im not coordinated enough to really 'use' dashes like i think there's a duo boon w/ athena/ares where u need to dash into an enemy after inflicitng doom - yea no i could never do that im not precise enough to dash like that

[uncut dagger]

well, Poseidon Splash Dash is pretty powerful
so at least the guys have that one

[digital python]

my dash would need to be insane levels of overpowered i think

for me to 'fall back' on it

[peak zealot]

There is only one real dash based build. poseidon dash. And it is pretty OP. You just dash at people and deal hundreds of damage

(and ya, I know you can make other dashes good too, and athena is great utility, don't get me wrong, but unless you invest a ton of secondary boons into the other dashes, they don't do enough to just carry a build)

[modern garnet]

smash enemies into walls! smash enemies into other enemies! truly a dash boon for the ages

[peak zealot]

thing is, you don't even really need to try to smash them into things, it just kind of happens due to the way the levels are laid out and the way enemy AI works

[digital python]

ok i guess ill b trying out a splash dash boon next time

[peak zealot]

floating enemies in the second floor can be annoying to deal with when you are relying on splash dash though

[modern garnet]

make sure to get "wave pounding" before styx for an enjoyable experience

[digital python]

what does wave pounding do

other than sounding suggestive

[modern garnet]

when enemy hits wall, it deals 200 aoe damage AND knockback

[peak zealot]

ya, obviously if you can upgrade the dash with wave pounding + Razor shoals, do so

[digital python]

oh yea that would be like breezeing thru styx

[modern garnet]

in styx, enemies become ping pong balls to your splash dashing might

[peak zealot]

It literally becomes a cake walk, you dash from one door to the other and leave

[digital python]

finally getting payback against those goddamn satyrs

[modern garnet]

spitting satyrs cower beneath your splashes

[peak zealot]

So basically, you spend some boons on splash dash, and then coble together some kind of extra DPS for boss fights if you can. and then you just kind of win

[modern garnet]

poseidon invented wave pounding when he misunderstood the game of POOL

[craggy barn]

that's breaking wave, wave pounding deals more damage to bosses

[modern garnet]

oh? dam... easy mistake to make

unfortunately tidal dash doesn't fulfill a requirement for sea storm

[peak zealot]

Does it not? Thats random. Is that just like a weird ineffective nerf for tidal dash?

[craggy barn]

sea storm isn't essential to making tidal dash strong, anyway

it's not like you're always taking tidal dash with sea storm in mind

[peak zealot]

Agreed, it just feels kind of random

Sea storm isn't even all that large of a damage buff for tidal dash. an extra 40 per hit is whatever

[modern garnet]

yeah but it would look cool

it would be a certified "cool build"

I guess they nerfed it to be consistent with the ME nerf?

[peak zealot]

I guess? Was sea storm ever overpowered? Its cool to look at but never struck me as insane. At least not compared to ME

Then again, maybe I just don't like Zeus. Zeus and Ares are my least used gods for sure

[rare gust]

Honestly, for all its deserving compliments and such

I have one glaring complaint for the game

HUD related to ammunition

[modern garnet]

buffing lightning is pretty easy in the zeus tree

[rare gust]

Bloodstones, and Exagryph

[peak zealot]

you don't like that its in the corner?

[rare gust]

I dislike having to break focus from the main part of the screen to check

Yeah

Especially during intense situations

I would go for if it hovered above Zagreus when using them

[modern garnet]

some games put the ammo where the cursor is

[rare gust]

That way you don't have to break focus from a core part of survival

[peak zealot]

Fair criticism. Honestly, I don't really worry about it much. Bloodstones seem pretty easy to track, and the only exagryph I like to use is hestia which I always reload after a single shot

[rare gust]

Which is dodging stuff with Zag

Same with his special

[peak zealot]

which special? lucifers?

[rare gust]

Exagryph special being loaded is very vague and not helpful

Just Exagryph in general

[modern garnet]

i generally have a good idea of how many bloodstones I have where... but when im running zag gun it's rough

[rare gust]

You're not sure what frame from the reload animation he's done reloading

[peak zealot]

I mean, exagrhyph special doesn't generally have a reload, it just has a cool down

[rare gust]

Finding yourself spamming special

Well that have the circle timer for Hermes Keepsake

[peak zealot]

and honestly, exagryph special kind of sucks

[rare gust]

So maybe just add something like that for Exagryph

[rare gust]

Lol you probably triggered a bunch of Eris mains with this

[peak zealot]

I reject the notion that an attack that only functions to give you a damage buff is a good attack

[rare gust]

More like Synergy

Use it on enemy

Dive into enemy

Gain buff

But again, think about Triple Bomb as well

At intense moments I'd forget I only unloaded 2 shots and 1 is just chilling and not going to reload

[modern garnet]

More indicators on the interface is good

[peak zealot]

ya, but a more cluttered interface is less good. There is a trade off here

[modern garnet]

Exagryph special can absolutely carry a run, and I'd recommend focusing that for beginners to rail

[rare gust]

It's Supergiant

They'll genius their way out of that

But having less UI elements for something that requires additional resource management like Exagryph?

Not a big brain moment

The most you get is the ammo count

[peak zealot]

Another option would be to make the burst fire mode the base mode for exagryph and then make ammo on a hammer. so that players usually don't have to worry about ammo

[rare gust]

Here's what I thought of during my time playing the game

You guys know those first person arrows that point to stuff around and behind you surrounding the crosshair?

[peak zealot]

I play on switch, so no

[rare gust]

1. Integrate that into Zagreus' shadow to show where bloodstones are at

I think it would help for Zeus cast especially

Zeus cast can get lost in some far corner of the map and you wouldn't know

[peak zealot]

So that zag shadow always poins directly away from closest bloodstone or soemthing?

seems like a nice tough

[rare gust]

Well, something like that

[peak zealot]

I doubt most players would notice it

[rare gust]

I was thinking more like a little blood rune ring

With arrows like thorns pointing vaguely in the direction of a bloodstone

You know how when baddies get summoned in there's that ring on the floor?

Something like that

[peak zealot]

I think I prefer the informative shadow idea

[rare gust]

That would work too

Just some indication of information

[craggy barn]

then it's not used mainly as an attack

[rare gust]

Of course people are like

[peak zealot]

unrelated, anyone have any interesting shield builds for me to try out. All I ever do is cast builds with beowulf or DE builds with aspect of Zag.

[rare gust]

Use Exagryph special when reloading

What I dislike about Exagryph as well is that it refuses to reload if you hold down the trigger

Makes things feel a bit clunky for me

[uncut dagger]

Aspect of Chaos with Dio Special?
I dunno, I like it

[peak zealot]

I could probably make that work. And try to fish for double poms

[uncut dagger]

that's a good idea

if you upgrade Chaos all the way, whenever you get the charged throw, any enemy would instantly get 5 levels of Hangover, pretty great

[rare gust]

Merciful End with Zeus

Blender time

[craggy barn]

zMEus

[peak zealot]

ME on zeus is cute too

[rare gust]

Have ZSpecial reapply doom

Main attack be athena

Isn't Chaos and Doom better though?

[peak zealot]

I always find myself missing the chonky base 40 attack when using zeus aspect

[rare gust]

Chaos Doom can clear out squishies fast, last I tried

[peak zealot]

Squishes meaning non-bosses? They can be cleared out fast with anything

[rare gust]

Eh, I don't see why you'd miss it

Zeus Special travels as far as a bull rush

If you cram it right over an enemy, you'll gain insane damage and area control

And it also blends destructable projectiles

Satyr darts, witch spells, all that jazz

[craggy barn]

squishies means weak enemies like witches or numbskulls

[rare gust]

Yeah them

Helps clear out the fodder, essentially

Rush the bigger baddies

Then Special the far away squishies

[peak zealot]

chaos special doesn't impact hangover right?

[rare gust]

It does

Wait, why wouldn't it?

[peak zealot]

I mean chaos boons

[rare gust]

Oh

No, don't think it does

[peak zealot]

feels bad to do a build that can't benefit from chaos

[rare gust]

Same way it doesn't affect decay, and doom

But everything benefits from chaos though?

Casts, specials, attacks, dash strikes, backstabs

[craggy barn]

stuff like chaos flourish shoud only affect the damage dealt directly by the special

[rare gust]

I guess you mean status curses

[peak zealot]

If I'm going for a level 20 dio special, chaos flourish isn't doing much

[rare gust]

I did find out something funny though

[craggy barn]

i mean i'd take it, +36% damage upon hit is p nice when it just adds on top of what you already have /shrug

[rare gust]

Hunter's Mark is affected by reflected poison

I wonder if it applies to Hangover

[uncut dagger]

it seems like it would

or maybe you'd need something like Splitting Headache to make a difference

[peak zealot]

do you just mean that hangover can crit? Of course it can, everything can crit

[uncut dagger]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell
everything can crit provided you have the right Boons

but, yeah, you're right

[peak zealot]

if you have any boon that says anything can crit, than anything can crit

there are several boons that fit the dicription

[uncut dagger]

wait, several?

[craggy barn]

crits are good but you shouldn't really prioritize them on hangover

[uncut dagger]

I thought there was just the one

[peak zealot]

At least 2 I can think of

hunters mark and pressure poitns

[craggy barn]

you can get splitting headache which gives you a 1.25% chance to crit per each stack applied, works perfectly with low tolerance

[granite ether]

Deadly reversal also

[peak zealot]

ugh... dio special build. Athena vs Ares. Does either do anything?

[craggy barn]

ares

[uncut dagger]

oh, true

[craggy barn]

you can get curse of vengeance which unlocks curse of nausea

[rare gust]

Everything can crit with big PP

[uncut dagger]

Athena/Dio Duo makes all projectiles slower

[rare gust]

But no, my point was

Hunter's Mark doesn't expire with Poison

[peak zealot]

making projectiles slower seems kind of bad

[rare gust]

72 per tick on the reflected poison

With Hunter's 80% crit chance

[craggy barn]

it's pretty nice but ares is better

[uncut dagger]

oh it is
in comparison

[craggy barn]

he has a duo boon for hangover

[peak zealot]

oh, thats weird @rare gust good to know

[rare gust]

So my question is, does Hangover force Hunter's Mark to expire?

[uncut dagger]

actually I found it to be REALLY useful in a run with Divine Dash

[peak zealot]

I thought you just said it didn't make hunters mark expire?

[rare gust]

Poison, reflected poison

From Satyrs

[craggy barn]

ares is still the better choice over athena

[rare gust]

I don't know about Doom, Hangover, and Decay

I know Doom can crit as I've seen with PP

[peak zealot]

Athena boons are better utility though

[craggy barn]

it's either divine dash or curse of nausea

[peak zealot]

divine strike is fine to use for a bit and then sell too

whatever ares it is

[uncut dagger]

I used to use Divine Strike until I saw a fresh file speedrun that had Divine Dash and I never went back to using Divine Strike ever again

[rare gust]

Divine Strike has decent damage right? I need to learn the damage buff hierarchy

[craggy barn]

i wonder if it would be better to take curse of agony from ares since it's more likely to appear than curse of vengeance?

[uncut dagger]

why would you want curse of vengeance?

[craggy barn]

it unlocks curse of nausea

literally no other reason to want it

[uncut dagger]

are you planning on getting vengeful mood?

oh

well, did you plan on getting Dio Attack?

[craggy barn]

what?

this is about dio special chaos

[uncut dagger]

oh okay

yeah I'd recommend it

I didn't know you were going for that

[craggy barn]

actually yeah curse of vengeance is better

[modern garnet]

hrmgh... worst part of ares is how the names of the boons all sound the same

[craggy barn]

assuming you get an aphrodite boon, taking curse of vengeance doesn't mean you can get curse of longing which improves the chances of getting the duo boons you actually want intead of duo boons you'll likely just sell at the opportunity

[uncut dagger]

yeah, agreed

that's why I just use simplified terms

or, I try to, at least

[rare gust]

I just say Special, Attack, Cast, Call, Revenge

Like a normal person

Also,question

I noticed you can deflect melee attacks

Does it deflect damage still?

[modern garnet]

lmao, on the wiki the word "deflect" redirects to "gameplay mechanics" but that page doesn't have any info on deflect

[craggy barn]

probably not, doesn't matter since deflected attacks usually don't deal a lot of damage anyway

[uncut dagger]

huh
I had always figured that when you deflected an attack, it would deal the amount of damage it would've dealt you

[craggy barn]

do you expect a deflected spear lunge to deal like, 20 damage to hades?

[uncut dagger]

I dunno, it doesn't really make that much of a difference to me anyway

I'm not one to micromanage every part of my build to maximize DPS
not to say there's anything wrong with that, I just don't do that

[peak zealot]

Whats with that anyway? deflected projectiles deal insane damage, but defelcted attacks dont?

[rare gust]

Take into consideration Brilliant Risposte + Malphon

Deflecting negates damage from attacks, from what I've discovered

If you can successfully deflect every attack, any time you need to duck and cover from melee attacks is time you can use to keep up dealing damage

[modern garnet]

makes deflect real nice on anything with high attack rate

hmm, dont know if I've ever tried athena attack fists

[rare gust]

High Attack Rates : Exagryph, Malphon, ||Rama Special||, ||Enkidu Dash Strike Spam||

Athena Fists are brilliant for things like Styx

[uncut dagger]

oh yeah, because of the Satyrs?

[rare gust]

Yup

Anything against Satyrs is a huge plus for me

[peak zealot]

I have. The only run I've ever managed to perfect kill hades was with hidden aspect fists with athena attack, athena dash, and +30% attack speed. Between attacks, dash attacks, and dashes, you can keep a defelct sheild up almost 100% of the time

[uncut dagger]

I haven't tried that, I probably should

[peak zealot]

some attacks can't be deflected though, just fyi

[rare gust]

There is some delay, so I recommend using Dash Strikes to deflect as they come out faster and give you mobility

[modern garnet]

Can't deflect heightened security pots, so basically useless

[rare gust]

Lmao

Pots can be tagged as Ground Based Traps

[granite ether]

You can get sure footing from athena though 😏

[rare gust]

Similar to that of Spikes and Magma

Not much you can do about that, except ||Arthur||

But even ||Arthur|| cannot negate pots

[granite ether]

Epic sure footing is 90% DR from traps by itself

[rare gust]

I wonder if it goes before or after the multiplication of HS

[granite ether]

(not 100% sure on the %)

[rare gust]

It is 90%, yes

[modern garnet]

Axe slams into zag's skull
he's fine because of how sure his footing is
:smirk:

[granite ether]

Tis but a scratch

[rare gust]

Theseus hits Zagreus with a car

Zagreus being perfectly fine because of ||Hallowed Grounds|| and Weak

[craggy barn]

heroic sure footing is 95%

just make me immune to traps entirely smh

[rare gust]

AND YET

POISON STILL EATS HIM ALIVE

Pain

[modern garnet]

Let me know what stance you can stand in to reduce poison and I'll email the devs for you

[granite ether]

Zag just has a weakness to poison

[modern garnet]

Would you trade a poison resistant stomach for your flame resistant feet? He can't resist everything

[peak zealot]

I feel like I'm burning a million poms in the hopes of getting maybe 500 DPS out of hangover

This feels so much worse than a scintilating feast + dionysus aid build

[modern garnet]

Dio's aid sure is something...

Is dio aid + smouldering air viable?

[rare gust]

Dio + Aphrodite Duo might be what you're looking for

As well as Dio + Artemis for chance to crit with the poison ticks

[peak zealot]

smoldering air, ya thats what I meant

[craggy barn]

dio + artemis isn't needed

[peak zealot]

And ya, smoldering air + dio (+ optionally dio/aphro duo) lets you get insane hangover stacks

[craggy barn]

you mainly want low tolerance and cuse of nausea

smoldering air is good but don't get dio aid for it

zeus is better

[peak zealot]

Is it? How much damage do you get per zeus usage?

dio aid is something like 1600 damage

[craggy barn]

the stacks applied by dio aid are overwritten by drunken flourish

say you apply 5 stacks with aid

[peak zealot]

Ya, don't use drunken flourish

[craggy barn]

wait you're not using drunken flourish?

what aspect are you even using

i thought you were using chaos shield

[peak zealot]

I'm trying to figure out if this build is at all good

I feel like with dio special builds, I'm hoping to spend a million poms to get something that is still not very good

[modern garnet]

Dio aid is good if you don't have other hangover effects

[rare gust]

Dio's Aid is good for : Crowd clearing, damage dealing, area of control around Zag

Using it as a normal call is also perfectly good if you have Dio Attacks

Use it as a means of starting an insane amount of damage to juggle

And paired with Fast Attack Rates like Malphon or Exagryph

You cannot go wrong

Chiron Special is also good for it

[peak zealot]

I mean, I've done runs using dios Aid as my only damage source along with the aphro/zeus duo

only damage source once the combo was assembled anyway. Obviously I had to use attacks/special/casts before getting the duo

Semi related, do all "aid" effects scale ridiculously with poms?

are there any good spreadsheets describing how poms interact with various boons?

found one. Not sure if it is accurate or not: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Py-bKw-IYzFqmsWvN1beBF4YEqU_vkVvB9F4OcVOdg8/edit#gid=0

[modern garnet]

wow.. this sheet is mega

[peak zealot]

Ya, if this sheet is accurate, I think I've been underating blade dash. It scales better than I expected

I've never gone for a pure blade dash build before.

[wheat anvil]

THis chart....

Okay

[peak zealot]

I don't know if I agree with the hammer ratings

[wheat anvil]

Likely both

[rare gust]

Wait

It says Support Fire cannot be pommed

That doesn't sound right

[brisk trail]

blade dash does ok dmg but if you want a dmg dash you cant really beat tidal

[rare gust]

Also people say Hunter's Mark isn't good

That's ridiculous

Support Fire + Hunter's Mark juggles and increases the rates at which you get crits by an insane amount

[brisk trail]

its very good

for every artemis core

also dio+artemis duo doesnt make hangover crit...

right?

[uncut dagger]

it does, pretty sure

[brisk trail]

okay then nvm

[uncut dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825577392168370227/839001026773778442/P8DmS1DRA8plrIAAAAASUVORK5CYII.png

[wheat anvil]

op^^

[uncut dagger]

indeed

[brisk trail]

the phrase bonus messed me up I think because I'd assume it only adds to moves that already crit

[abstract forge]

should i pick lightning on special or attack with spear

[rare gust]

Which spear

Because Spear Special is weak as hell

[brisk trail]

none? its better on attack if anything

[rapid forum]

lightning on attack with spear

[manic bobcat]

Flurry + Lightning Strike can work

[rapid forum]

special on spear is pretty slow

[rare gust]

Lightning attack on spear + Triple Dash Strikes / Flurry

[manic bobcat]

Though Zeus on spear is kinda eh without Flurry

I would pass tbh

[rare gust]

I want to establish
For fast attacks:
Ares, Dionysus, Zeus, Demeter,
For heavy attacks:
Demeter, Aphrodite, Poseidon,

Artemis works on everything

[modern garnet]

ares on fast attacks?

[rare gust]

Ares really needs Dire Misfortune + Imminent Doom to really give it a punch

Yup

[rapid forum]

ye

[rare gust]

Think about it

Ares attacks don't buff %

So isn't it a waste?

[modern garnet]

well obviously I'm not gonna put doom on my heavy attacks

[rare gust]

Yuh

You're better off getting the 75% - 125% buffs from the others

[peak zealot]

It depends. Doom attack on chiron bow isn't bad

[rare gust]

100 on the fists are great

[peak zealot]

It isn't particularlyu good either

but it isn't bad

[rare gust]

100 doom on arthur is god awful

Athena also works on heavy attacks

Gotta say

Can't go wrong with Athena

[peak zealot]

All the percentage buffs are better than doom essentially across the board. It isn't so much fast/slow that makes doom good/bad. Doom is only good on relatively weak attacks that you don't want to use frequently

And of course, doom is great with ME

because ME is dumb

[modern garnet]

athena shines on fast attacks if you can't time deflecting projectiles well

[peak zealot]

Athena is good on any attack. It is among the best in terms of raw damage increase

[manic bobcat]

I honestly think Merciful End makes Doom good on faster weapons. Ares tier 2 are stop gaps. Very few people set out to make Doom Fist and not go for Merciful End.

[rare gust]

Yeah, no, it's rather simple

Raw Damage up ranks as such

Aphrodite: 50% - 125%
Athena and Demeter
Artemis

I forgot the rest

All I know is if you're going for big bucks

Call the naked lady

[manic bobcat]

No, call Hunter Dash Deadly Strike.

[rare gust]

Which is why when I'm not running Sisyphus on Arthur, it's always Demeter/Aphrodite

Demeter Dash to cover ground and slow foes to my pace

Aphrodite Special and Attack for buffs and Weak

[manic bobcat]

Artemis has higher/highest damage potential with Chaos and Hunter Dash

[peak zealot]

hunter dash is only good on weapons with an abusable dash

[manic bobcat]

Or Heart Rend

[modern garnet]

Hunter dash is good on weapons where you dash strike, which, well, isn't always

[rare gust]

Then Artemis for supports like PP and the Call

Dash Strike as Arthur

wheeze

Doesn't work

[peak zealot]

and even on those weapons, hunter dash is probably still worse than poseidon dash

[rare gust]

Arthur's Dash Strike has shorter range than normal strike

You can chain it though

Dash-Strike > Strike > Special >

[manic bobcat]

You laugh but I saw Peachhead running DS Arthur because

[manic bobcat]

Typo?

[rare gust]

Let me guess, they got the Double DS hammer

Nah I left the end blank because at that point just do whatever

[manic bobcat]

I mean it's Special > DS > DS

[rare gust]

That's the combo that works on other swords

[manic bobcat]

On Arthur it's still OK

[rare gust]

I find it severely ineffective for Arthur, maybe it just doesn't work for me

[manic bobcat]

Not with the same timing

[rare gust]

I'm better off using base attack and going for back stabs

[manic bobcat]

Fair, that's my preferred also

[craggy barn]

double edge isn't as good on arthur as it is on the other sword

usually you do just wanna go for big swings, especially backstabs

[peak zealot]

Ok, finally did a chaos shield hangover run. It sucked. Seems like DPS is going to end up somewhere around 300-400 DPS depending on how good on poms/duos you can get. Which is so meh

[craggy barn]

it's still good but not s-tier on arthur

[rare gust]

Not to mention, you cannot DS > DS with Arthur

[manic bobcat]

Point is, DS Arthur isn't that bad, though you if you want to DS just like pick Nemesis.

[rare gust]

If you mess up and the second strike is a normal strike

Then you cannot exactly chain it, as he starts doing the big swings

Normal Strike > Forced Normal Strike regardless of dash execution

[manic bobcat]

Anyway, even without Hunter Dash, Artemis can still scale with Chaos, Hyper Delivery

[craggy barn]

i find it funny how something like cruel thrust for arthur could probably actually be really strong but arthur simply can't get cruel thrust

[manic bobcat]

Being the only crit in the game

[rare gust]

Remind me what Cruel Thrust does again?

[manic bobcat]

Last hit in combo crit or does damage

[peak zealot]

it gives your 3rd attack (lunge) increased damage and crit chance

I think its +200% damage and +30% crit

[manic bobcat]

It's eh

[rare gust]

My Arthur hammers are
Breaching / Shadow Strike > Greater Consecration > Literally everything else

[peak zealot]

it would be fine, accept the attack combo for normal sword is atrocious

[manic bobcat]

If 3rd strike doesn't push back it might be better imo

[rare gust]

Hoarding slash works though, because on my dumb Sisyphus runs I always purge my boons

Big bucks, every Rare boon sold is almost 5 more damage

I can rake up to 1500 gold by the end of the game

[peak zealot]

I think hoarding slash is super underrated honestly. It is good, just boring as sin

[rare gust]

Even more if Chaos is nice with me

[brisk trail]

you still dash strike a bunch on arthur so ddedge still good imo

[rare gust]

Also, lmao

[brisk trail]

hoarding slash is just rly bad

[rare gust]

If you see Charon's gold bag

Beat him up

[brisk trail]

in how it does dmg calc

[rare gust]

Then buy the poms at the end

Free 70 gold

[peak zealot]

It really isn't hard to get to 3K gold

[manic bobcat]

Hoarding Slash calcs to the back end damage

So no crit, no mod

[brisk trail]

its unlike any other base attack buff

[peak zealot]

and +150 damage on each hit is alot

[brisk trail]

yeah

[manic bobcat]

Yeah...

[peak zealot]

I'm aware that hoarding slash combos with nothing. This is why its boring as shit. But its still a massive attack buff which means its easy to carry a run with it, but its still boring as shit

[rare gust]

Then again

Massive Attack buff for Arthur

[peak zealot]

I wouldn't do hoarding slash on arthur if I can avoid it

[rare gust]

Purge all the boons

[peak zealot]

But I think its underrated on other swords, even if its boring

[manic bobcat]

Well we are trying to say that it's not that massive because its damage can't crit and doesn't synergy with boons. But if you like it then go ahead :D

[brisk trail]

arthur has higher base dmg so it benefits more from +%

[manic bobcat]

I just roll my eyes when I see it. Though tbf I roll my eyes on everything but DEdge.

[brisk trail]

ddedge too good

[peak zealot]

@manic bobcat by itself, with no other boons, it gives you a 600 DPS build, give or take. It can combo with hammers and attack speed buffs. Outside that, it is incredibly boring, even if it is still strong

[manic bobcat]

What does the second D stand for.

[brisk trail]

it was a typo okay

[manic bobcat]

Doudle Edge

[craggy barn]

double dedge

[manic bobcat]

Ddouble Edge

[craggy barn]

[rare gust]

Edddge

Problem solved

[brisk trail]

double dd bc its double

[manic bobcat]

500 IQ

[rare gust]

But, speaking of insane damage output

[manic bobcat]

Rama

[rare gust]

I find the only thing that comes close for me is Demeter

Oh Rama is solid too, just hard to master

Demeter though, I find that on a good run I can chip of anywhere from 1/6th to 1/5th a boss' health

[peak zealot]

what do you do with aspect of demeter?

[manic bobcat]

Have you tried Merciful End? Ik it's overused but that's for a reason

Oh Demeter fists

Nvm

[brisk trail]

you just do a big uppercut

[rare gust]

@peak zealot You get ALL the special buffs

[craggy barn]

lightning strike + deadly flourish + passion dash

[rare gust]

And PRAY to get Kinectic Launcher

[manic bobcat]

This.

[rare gust]

Bruh

Divine Strike : Exposed + Deadly Flourish + Frost Dash

[craggy barn]

imo the best hammer you can get on demeter is breaching cross

[manic bobcat]

Explosive is better imo. Breaching + Explosive is ideal.

[brisk trail]

why frost dash

[craggy barn]

explosive launcher is your best special hammer. kinetic is still really good but it does less damage

[rare gust]

Slows down bosses, lets you get backstabs easier

[manic bobcat]

And yeah I would take Breaching over Explosive if I have to pick

[rare gust]

Which, works with chaos as well

[brisk trail]

hmmmm

[craggy barn]

backstabs?

[peak zealot]

IDK, honestly even with a bad aspect of achilles frost wine run, I can usually get 3K damage from casts

[rare gust]

I go for Kinectic because Range + Flat buff

[craggy barn]

i just use fiery presence to oneshot witches in tartarus

[rare gust]

I use the third swing of Arthur to one shot everything in Tartarus

sees spawn rune

[manic bobcat]

Wait, Upper can't backstab, no?

[rare gust]

time spamming attack to land third upon existing

Upper can

[manic bobcat]

Or did they change that. I remember a patch changes something on backstab

[craggy barn]

i hate hate tart witches

[manic bobcat]

Not sure which

[peak zealot]

tart?

[rare gust]

Imagine not killing them with Divine anything

[manic bobcat]

Tartarus

[rare gust]

Tartarus witches

[peak zealot]

tarturus, got it

[craggy barn]

i literally use fiery presence just so i can get rid of them as soon as absolutely possible

[peak zealot]

On that topic, has anyone noticed the hades upgraded tartarus witches seem to have AI logic that makes them hide behind pillars?

Or have I just gotten really unlucky

[rare gust]

I use Sisyphus because being able to land 900 damage the second they spawn is hilarious to me
(Shadow Strike + Sisyphus + Whatever Chaos wants to give me)

[craggy barn]

all witches do that

really, ranged enemies all have that same behaviour

[peak zealot]

I guess I just don't notice it on other enemies because the rest all die instantly

[rare gust]

My guess is that their path finding is based on distance travelled on not based on perimeter from Zag

They have the AI to retreat

Having to run behind/around an object just adds more distance to them

Therefore they tend to hide behind pillars and crap

Or maybe they actually integrated them to hide

[manic bobcat]

Hmm I'm not sure if upper cut can backstab. I remember people used to complain about this.

[craggy barn]

the fact that they run around obstacles to much makes them atrocious targets for bow

[peak zealot]

I only noticed it during an erebus chamber that had a red upgraded witch. It was very annoying trying to kill the thing

[manic bobcat]

Can't find anything in patch notes either

@high island can fist upper backstab? I cant remember and it's driving me crazy.

[craggy barn]

@manic bobcat https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/839035920812081153/Hades_309.png

[manic bobcat]

Thank you!

So they did change it.

Or has it always been like that. Ahhhh, my memory is failing me.

[rare gust]

Backstab + Crits + Privelege + Chaos' Special or Backstab buffs

Demeter drugs

[craggy barn]

honestly backstabbing with demeter is a bit overkill

you oneshot everything with the base damage on your special already

special damage from chaos is definitely something i'd always take though

[peak zealot]

with your 6 hit special you mean?

[craggy barn]

yeah the gigacutter lol

[peak zealot]

your base special is only going to be doing on the order of what, 300 damage at max stuff

maybe not even that

[manic bobcat]

But it scales well

[rare gust]

For bosses

It's for the bosses

I never use Giga on enemies unless they're armored / far away with KC

Colossus helps a ton with that

[manic bobcat]

Lightning Strike good
Deadly Flourish good

[rare gust]

Divine Strike good

[manic bobcat]

All you need for Demeter

[rare gust]

Divine Strikes lets you crap on Satyrs and Witches hard

[manic bobcat]

Divine Strike is a crutch.

[craggy barn]

maybe it's just my small brain that's been infected by the speedrunning bug and all my brain is process is "backstabs are too much effort lol just oneshot em"

but yeah i still prefer fiery rpesence

[peak zealot]

So.... lets say you get everything and end up with what, +250% and 20% crit or something? that is an expected damage for the gig of about 850 damage. Seems fine?

[rare gust]

Isn't Deadly Flourish 30%

[peak zealot]

nope, +20% crit

[manic bobcat]

850 is a lot for how often you can use it? And Explosive can twice that. I didn't check your calc but I trust it.

[rare gust]

Wack, still good though

Explosive upper can 'twice' that?

It can twice Giga?

[peak zealot]

Explosive just adds +100%, that isn't twice

unless explosive is super weird and randomly gives a mult buff

[manic bobcat]

Well even if it only adds base damage

That's still a lot.

[peak zealot]

It gets you to about 1100 Expected damage per giga hit

which is fine. Doesn't seem spectacular considering you can only do once every couple seconds

[manic bobcat]

I think it comes down to personal use. But except for Rama Triple Shot I can't see anything beating Demeter DPS with Explosive Upper.

Well I guess Nemesis also.

[craggy barn]

i guess it could be hard to say what comes over demeter in terms of damage since it's a combination of sustained and burst damage with the whole "giga-cutter" thing it has going on

[rare gust]

Flourish Cluster

Deadly Flourish Clutster Bombs

I remember wiping a Hydra Phase with it

[manic bobcat]

Putting Eris in here is cheating

[rare gust]

Which I believe is 1500-2500 damage

Not even Eris

Just Cluster Bombs in general

[craggy barn]

oh yeah, eris

[rare gust]

You can do it with Hestia, Zag, Eris

[manic bobcat]

Zag what?

[craggy barn]

yeah you literally can't beat eris dps LOL

except maybe for deMEter and heart rend nemesis

[peak zealot]

Ya, achilles and hestia can pretty easily put up 1000 DPS builds. And lots of ME builds can push 1000 DPS

[craggy barn]

eris with cluster rockets is just plain nutty

[manic bobcat]

I don't think Hestia is particularly high DPS, it's just super safe and relatively easy to use though

[manic bobcat]

Do you mean damage or DPS?

[peak zealot]

DPS

[rare gust]

Hestia Sisyphus

300 per shot

375 if backstab

[manic bobcat]

Do you have a mod that shows DPS?

[rare gust]

Pretty dumb

[peak zealot]

If you want to talk max damage in a single attack, best I've managed is crit ice wine with achilles aspect at about 4K

@manic bobcat I'm just doing damage calculations and estimating how frequently that damage can be dealt

[manic bobcat]

https://imgur.com/a/u9qzRch

[peak zealot]

What are we looking at there?

[sinful reef]

8439 crit

[peak zealot]

sure, but from what buffs?

[rare gust]

Backstab + Fiery from keepsake
Crit from Arthur Special so it must be PP?

[manic bobcat]

A bunch of stuff lol, and it's Arthur, highest base damage.
It's just a fun pic I have.

[manic bobcat]

Nah, that's the 3rd hit from the combo.

[rare gust]

Then what's that big white ring

Dying Lament?

Can't be, this looks like the Solo Armored rat room

[peak zealot]

could be a 3 rats room

[manic bobcat]

Beat me.

https://imgur.com/a/atXIPVq

Here is another one.

[rare gust]

He's going to feel that for the rest of eternity

[high island]

Yeah, they fixed that.

[high island]

Explosive Upper is +100% damage, not +100% base damage.

[rapid forum]

I don't like fist upper

[high island]

Dash-Upper is good. Normal Uppercut is very situational.

If you're going for both DPS and safety, anyway.

You can absolutely do a run with only normal Uppercuts.

[rapid forum]

I can't properly aim dash-upper

idk

I've tried

[rare gust]

Get good

[high island]

Do you play on KBM?

[rare gust]

I kid, it takes some getting used to for me on the KBM

Having to account for the dash location with your cursor isn't easy

You can of course resort to full aim assist, but you won't be able to always hit the guy you want where you want em

[rapid forum]

nope, controller main here

[rare gust]

I almost wished that Dash-Upper could be considered its own event and didn't rely on my mouse to aim

[rapid forum]

like trying to combo with it feels unnatural

[high island]

Hmm. Not sure why you have trouble aiming them then. Probably just practice.

You can do Dash-Attack > Special for a Dash-Upper in combos.

[rapid forum]

that's what I do most of the time

[fluid whale]

aspect of gilgamesh is so hard to trigger

wtf

[stone karma]

what is the best weapon in your guys opinion

[carmine ravine]

Rama and eris imo

[rare gust]

Arthur and Demeter for spanking combos

[hollow hawk]

Every weapon and aspect in the game is really good

Except for gilgamesh, ofcourse

[stone karma]

wat

im still new

so i decidded to ask not new players what the best weapons were

[half zephyr]

that won't help much

just about everyone has their own opinion on that topic

[stone karma]

i only have the sword,spear,and bow(i forgot there names)

[half zephyr]

stygius, varatha & coronacht

but it's just sword, spear & bow in here - we tend to refer to things by aspect name instead in this channel

[brisk trail]

yeah all weapons can be good

unless you wanna talk about high heat or speedrun strats then theres obv some that do better

[half zephyr]

for you - as a new player - just try them all out & see which one(s) you like most

especially since you don't even have aspects available yet

[stone karma]

hades is a lot easier than other rouge like games in my opinion

[half zephyr]

it's a rogue lite so that might be one of the reasons why

you get perma boosts

[hollow hawk]

the game gets really easy after your 2nd or 3rd clear

Or even before that

[half zephyr]

mhm

[brisk trail]

yes its very beginner friendly I'd say

[hollow hawk]

Hades was my, and a lot of others', first roguelike/lite

[half zephyr]

thank you PoP for keeping it real

[stone karma]

yeah,death defience saved me and got me too asphodel

[hollow hawk]

also btw, gift nectar to skelly

His keepsake is amazing when you're new to the game

[half zephyr]

my first roguelike that felt like a roguelike was isaac I think

and it's very very different..

[stone karma]

woops,i gifted it to the shop keep,forgot his name too

[half zephyr]

it's fine

charon

[hollow hawk]

Charon keepsake is decent too, but not as good when you're starting out

[half zephyr]

you'll get more nectar & feel free to gift it to everyone who wants at least once

[hollow hawk]

oh yeah^

Theres lots of resources in the game

Practically infinite resources

[stone karma]

i felt like his name was something with a ch

[hollow hawk]

So you're never wasting anything

[half zephyr]

but best keepsakes for new players are cerb, skelly and... hypnos?
eurydice is always nice ofc

[stone karma]

wait

[hollow hawk]

I never got the hype around hypnos keepsake for beginners tbh

[half zephyr]

I didn't know there was a hype

[hollow hawk]

I gifted hypnos when i was starting out because people told me to

And it never did anything for me

[half zephyr]

I can't even remember if hypnos is the right one

[stone karma]

cerbeus? you can gift it to the good boi cerbeus

[hollow hawk]

skelly and cerb were much more impactful

[half zephyr]

is that the gold one?

[hollow hawk]

Ofc

[half zephyr]

ye

ofc you can

[hollow hawk]

Yeah

[stone karma]

never knew that

[half zephyr]

you can talks & pets & give gifts

[hollow hawk]

You can even give him food, but thats later in the game

[stone karma]

i knew you could talk too pets

[half zephyr]

so, reason for it being good imo is just to be able to clear that charon well prophecy a bit easier by having starting moneys

[hollow hawk]

eh, you wont clear it until you have sd and have gotten to elysium a lot of the time anyway

[half zephyr]

oh ye, I forget that can take time

[hollow hawk]

plus, charon well items arent really that good for beginners

Apart from the health related ones

[half zephyr]

I loved them

[hollow hawk]

I guess its to buy a boon from midshop

but like, that too isnt gonna be as much of an impact as an extra dd

[half zephyr]

but I did say imo =w=

ofc not

[hollow hawk]

Idk maybe im just looking too far into this

[half zephyr]

but still, options!

I don't even like cerbs keepsake but I still keep suggesting it to new players

[brisk trail]

money is power

[high island]

Lucky Tooth won't be doing anything for you in e.g. Tartarus, and if you also don't need HP there and aren't going for any particular god build because you're still focusing on prophecies and stuff, starting out with some extra cash is always decent.

It's also just a very good option to fall back on when you don't really know what to pick in a region.

[hollow hawk]

huh, it was recommended to me before i got the keepsake box work order, so i guess that's why i had an initial bad impression of it

[rare gust]

Should Cold Embrace be reworked

It doesn't feel right

Like at all

[half zephyr]

It can be good if you figure out how to use it

[signal aspen]

yeah it can be good if you know how to use it

but crystal clarity is way better

[nova moth]

mind this random guy but will there be a weapon update in the future... just wondering if yall dont mind

[stiff musk]

not anywhere in the near future because devs are taking a break

[signal aspen]

no

"Now that Early Access is over, what's next?
Once we're sure our v1.0 launch has settled, our small team will be taking a break to recharge, and plan what's next. We'll be excited to say more about what's in store for us just as soon as we're ready."

[nova moth]

well...i was just dreaming for some reason playing this game using a scythe

hmm.. anyway thanks for the info

[stone karma]

that does sound really freaking cool

[nova moth]

for some reason i have a whole move list in my dream...and damn i had to wake up

[stone karma]

my favorite weapon so far is varathon i think its called that,its the spear

[signal aspen]

varatha

[stiff musk]

varatha

@signal aspen

jinx

[signal aspen]

no

[nova moth]

for me its the glove thing...i dun remember

[signal aspen]

malphon

[stiff musk]

the twin fists of malphon

[stone karma]

hey i got close

[signal aspen]

yeah

[nova moth]

i always watch vids from yt for strats and all but always forget what to go with

[stiff musk]

my fav is stygian blade because u can get cursed slash

the best hammer in the game

[stone karma]

who should i give this nectar too?ive already done skelly twice and choron once

[nova moth]

thats the one

[signal aspen]

tree lady in asphodel

and all the gods

[nova moth]

i almost be at shock killing skelly ... i thought it was real but damn

[stone karma]

bruh i can barely get passed meg,ive gotten there twice

or three times

[stiff musk]

meg is the easiest of the furies

[signal aspen]

oh uhhhhh

[stone karma]

i know

[stiff musk]

you will learn to beat her quickly

[signal aspen]

make sure you upgrade the mirror

[stone karma]

"i should be in the new players thing"

[stiff musk]

yes

prioritize defiances and dashes

[stone karma]

i almost always beat her

[stiff musk]

if you havent given athena necter yet you should

get her keepsake that makes your first boon always athena

divine dash is great for new players because you can reflect projectiles (important for megaera)

[stone karma]

so athenas boons are really good then i assume?

[signal aspen]

for new players

[stone karma]

gothca

gotcha*

[nova moth]

hey how to be loved by daddy tsundere hades..im still new to the game tho

[signal aspen]

well you can give him more nectar once you beat the game

[brisk trail]

they are good in general

[stiff musk]

terrible sentence

[steady sierra]

I really don’t like Athena’s boons

[high island]

No, it's Malphon, the Twin Fists.

[signal aspen]

no its called B I G S L A P P

[manic moat]

chonky punchy big boy gloves

[nova moth]

how do i know if i beat the game

[signal aspen]

you see the credits

[half zephyr]

^

[stone karma]

any tips for the bone hydra?

[cerulean ferry]

Learn the heads? That's all that comes to mind rn

[rapid forum]

hehee

heads, comes to mind

hehe

[manic moat]

hehe

[stone karma]

learn the heads?wtf?you mean there attack patterns?

[rapid forum]

different piece on its head, diff attack type

[stone karma]

wah

[signal aspen]

i think every time you kill the hydra it comes back with different attacks the next time you fight it

[stone karma]

i havent killed it once

[signal aspen]

or it just comes back with different attacks

[signal aspen]

yeah just learn the attacks

[stone karma]

i got really close both times

[chilly sonnet]

how do i progress the story past the credits

when i have to "increase my bonds with the gods"

[signal aspen]

give them nectar

[chilly sonnet]

how much

how many hearts do they have to be at?

[signal aspen]

well i know that you need to forge like 1 bond

so just start giving nectar to everybody

[chilly sonnet]

theyre all at 1 heart each right now

so i just need to give more nectar to one of them?

[signal aspen]

no

[chilly sonnet]

oh

do you know how much they all need

[signal aspen]

no

oh wait i just found it

Six of the following are required:

Zeus at 7 hearts
Poseidon at 7 hearts
Athena at 7 hearts
Aphrodite at 7 hearts
Artemis at 7 hearts
Ares at 7 hearts
Dionysus at 7 hearts
Hermes at 8 hearts
Demeter at 6 hearts

might not be completely accurate

[chilly sonnet]

wow

i have like 7 nectar

[signal aspen]

rip

[chilly sonnet]

is there any way to increase my chances of getting more? i get like one per run if any

[signal aspen]

turn off dark foresight

and thats pretty much it

[chilly sonnet]

whats dark foresight again?

[signal aspen]

its a yellow mirror upgrade

[chilly sonnet]

oh

ok

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/839159855389343764/dark_foresight.png

the circled thing is dark foresight

[chilly sonnet]

oh ok

[brisk trail]

you can convert gems to keys and keys to nectar in the lounge

[signal aspen]

oh yeah

forgot about that

[brisk trail]

ive been mass converting gems recently for the same reason

i got like 25 nectar all at once from like 3 runs cause the gems you get from killing bosses is really nice

[signal aspen]

i bought everything from the house contractor except for the music

[sturdy sphinx]

Music is overrated

If I want music I'll go hang out with eurydice in asphrodel

I just recently unlocked the themes

[signal aspen]

asphrodite

[half zephyr]

you say that, but it's the best feeling to open the game & have The Unseen Ones playing in the house

[signal aspen]

yeah

unseen ones is great

[sturdy sphinx]

I'll eventually grind diamonds but I've been trying to clear my darkness stuff and make my house look cool

[signal aspen]

it will never be as cool as mine

[sturdy sphinx]

Post pic again you won't

[signal aspen]

ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/838746782158684211/Screenshot_149.png

[sturdy sphinx]

This man doesn't even have towels for denizens leaving the styx lmao smh omg

[signal aspen]

they dont deserve towels

[sturdy sphinx]

Jk it looks great

And that's true

[half zephyr]

I wish there was bones

bones look great

but looks nice

[signal aspen]

go to asphodel if you want to see bones

[sturdy sphinx]

I still need to buy that extended bar thing for lounge

Costs so much

[half zephyr]

no, I've been to an irl bone church - I can survive not seeing it in your picture

[signal aspen]

bone church sounds cool

[half zephyr]

it is

[signal aspen]

is it like a normal church but its made of bones

[half zephyr]

look up Sedlec Ossuary

[signal aspen]

ok

it looks so cool

[half zephyr]

it was an experience

[signal aspen]

time to add bones to my house

[sturdy sphinx]

Easiest way is to just sit and not move for a bit. Maybe a really long time actually

[half zephyr]

no

[signal aspen]

cool

[half zephyr]

that'll leave stains

[sturdy sphinx]

That's why I opted for the towel rack

[half zephyr]

[manic bobcat]

just buy new towels

what are you, poor?

[signal aspen]

yes

[peak orbit]

What would you guys hsay is the best Tier 2 Aphrodite Boon?

I'm trying to figure out how good Different LEague is

[signal aspen]

blown kiss for cast builds, other than that probably sweet surrender

[signal aspen]

different league is tier 2?

[peak orbit]

No I just wanna know how good this boon is because I don't get it

[signal aspen]

oh

its fine

[high island]

Every point of damage reduction adds more eHP than the previous.

[strong ridge]

how much dr to heal

[waxen solstice]

Anyone ever think about what other hidden aspects be in the game if SG decided to get crazy with it? Still based on real/mythological people, that is.

I really want to see Malphon with the Aspect of Braddock. James J. Braddock, or Cinderella Man, the great depression era Irish/American boxer

Gameplay wise, I'm thinking the Zagreus is always Sturdy, and the gloves have very high base damage that is reduced by 1% per 10 coin you have, or something like that.

[high island]

Hidden aspects are all from protagonists in other myths.

[waxen solstice]

I know, but it'd be fun to see a few real people thrown in, just to make that connection to our own world

[half zephyr]

you speak as though guan yu wasn't real

[waxen solstice]

I think some of them are "real" but are so exaggerated by their myths that they may as well not be in this context

[half zephyr]

guan yu was a real general..

in han dynasty china

the end of it

[waxen solstice]

Well, I'm thinking King Arthur specifically, who is.. maybe real?

[half zephyr]

I didn't even consider him

[waxen solstice]

I was a bit sad Coronacht didn't end up with an aspect of Robin Hood

[half zephyr]

then you couldn't have arthur

[waxen solstice]

What, what do you mean?

[half zephyr]

well, we couldn't have 2 brits now could we

[waxen solstice]

Hmm.

[uncut dagger]

did Sinbad have a Scimitar?

I dunno I'm just thinking

multiple people have wielded Swords throughout history, you could easily include one

[waxen solstice]

To be fair, as long as two people aren't using the same Infernal Arm in the same time period, it's probably fair game

[half zephyr]

that wasn't my point there XD
it was diversity

[waxen solstice]

Considering the Brits history of collecting artifacts 👀

It's bound to happen

[half zephyr]

in my mind luci has a british accent

thank you tom ellis

[waxen solstice]

I mean, diversity is fine, but I'm not trying to complete a lineup. I'm just thinking of who else in history, real or myth, would be interesting to imply held an Infernal weapon

[signal aspen]

Wait what happens when you have 1000 gold

[waxen solstice]

You better have spent it 🤷‍♀️

[half zephyr]

hmm, then gungne could be fun spear I guess

[signal aspen]

Lmao I got 5274 gold in a run

[craggy vapor]

How??

[simple blaze]

dang

[signal aspen]

You should see the world record

[simple blaze]

i’ve gotten about 1,500 at most

[waxen solstice]

Now shades are escaping the underworld as you punch the healthpoints directly back into them

[signal aspen]

Epic

Great weapon

[waxen solstice]

I'm just realizing there isn't really a blunt weapon that could be given as aspect for hammer or axe wielders I guess

[half zephyr]

wait

since when is an axe a blunt weapon

[waxen solstice]

Thor was my first thought, but Aspect of Odin with Gungne would be cool

You sayin I've been holdin mine sideways?

[signal aspen]

It's a nerf axe

[brisk trail]

shields pretty blunt

[waxen solstice]

Yeah, but I was thinking Aspect of Zulu, using his club, Iwisa

For Exagryph, Aspect of Belova, after Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko, a Soviet WWII sniper recorded as the most successful female sniper in history. I don't think she named her weapon, but in this context it can borrow the nickname her reputation earned her, Lady Death

[signal aspen]

Aspect of hestia is basically a sniper

[half zephyr]

I'm not sure than would agree to that naming

[waxen solstice]

Oh yeah, now I GOTTA hear that conversation play out when Death Approaches

[uncut dagger]

Death Approaches...

[pallid notch]

Does chaos boon rarity buff and God keepsakes rarity buff stack?

[waxen solstice]

"What is that thing you brought with you? Are you mocking me, Zagreus?"

"I just figured y'know. You work so hard, and you've not a lot of time for socializing.. I figured you'd appreciate the company of someone who shares your interests."

"My interests? Uh-huh. I guess killing together does beat killing eachother, huh Zag?"

"Ouch Than, didn't have to go there. Besides, it's her job."

"Right. Lets get this play date over with "

[half zephyr]

I'm not sure I understand that exchange

at all

even with the context of the imaginary aspect

[signal aspen]

Yeah I think so

[half zephyr]

is zag trying to set up his boyfriend with his weapon aspect?

[waxen solstice]

Basically. In the tone of it being a joke

[half zephyr]

[waxen solstice]

Causing Than to criticize Zag's actual relationship with Meg

[half zephyr]

I didn't even catch that as meg

I thought it was referring to the weapon aspect

[high island]

That's way OOC for Thanatos.

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[waxen solstice]

I still kinda think of Than as bitter as he was to start, but I don't feel it so much in the late game

Unless it was his attempt at humor that his tone is too dry to perform

[half zephyr]

he's a tsundere

[high island]

^

[half zephyr]

it's his way of showing love

[waxen solstice]

Less Sasuke, more tsundere

[half zephyr]

way less sasuke

sasuke is way too emotional

try itachi

[pallid notch]

Does grasp from chaos not increase with rarity? It only shows 1 extra cast at epic

[signal aspen]

It doesnt

Rarity makes the curse better

[pallid notch]

Better like less hurtful you mean?

[signal aspen]

Yes

[pallid notch]

Ah ok

[signal aspen]

Idk how to describe it

[waxen solstice]

If Than is Tsundere, what does that make Meg?

[pallid notch]

It shows 5 chambers hidden is that a good chaos curse?

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[half zephyr]

you really need to ask..?

[waxen solstice]

Yeah, I've watched all of like 2 or 3 anime total

[half zephyr]

it's not anime related though

[waxen solstice]

So i'm using this as my point of reference

[half zephyr]

hmm...

actually, reconsidering than - he might be kuudere

don't run into them too often

[manic bobcat]

Femme fatale?

[high island]

Nah, Than is not kuudere. He shows a lot of emotion.

[manic bobcat]

Than is the nerdy kid who gets bullied stereotype in my book.

[high island]

What? I can't see anyone bullying Thanatos.