h1-discussion

[half zephyr]

it shows that ||daddy did love us|| all along

[low jay]

[manic moat]

[low jay]

Daddy pump me harder

[half zephyr]

..

no

it shows ||he's been going easy on you||
||not using his full strenght||

[modern garnet]

Yall.... there are kids here

Relax plz

[sinful reef]

Mum

Come pick me up

Dad has a giant spear

Ow

[half zephyr]

it's actually in the rules to keep it clean

[manic moat]

you actually physically can't not keep it clean

you will get de-yeeted

[dusky wedge]

So, bow advice for the bow noob? I think the only for me to do well with the bow is if I got Flurry Shot

[sinful reef]

I was yeeted

[brisk trail]

always use dash strikes on bow

[sinful reef]

I made it not clean

And now I am here

[dusky wedge]

Dash strikes on bow feels weird

How did you guys do it?

I don’t think I hit most of my bow dash strikes

[brisk trail]

you dash and then attack? theres no visual difference

it only charges attack faster

[craggy barn]

it does deal slightly less damage but it generally kills faster anyways if you do it quickly and consistently

[sacred tendon]

it also reduces damage

yeah that

also: nice
https://i.imgur.com/fzpOIf8.png

[peak orbit]

I used not know how to do dash strikes because I thought I can just tap the button

[brisk trail]

same

it's not obvious how they work on bow at all, cant rly blame anyone

[tight cave]

Unpopular opinion, On The Coast.

That English Horn is juicy.

[blissful mica]

weird, my game did a thing where it forgot that i beat all the bosses and im getting to double up on the rewards (meg's titan blood, the skull snake dude's diamond)

that's pretty awesome haha

[signal aspen]

once you escape for the first time you will get more bounties

[blissful mica]

haven't escaped

it just happened for no reason, which is awesome

now i've got two titan bloods from meg without ever having escaped 😄

[signal aspen]

are you using another weapon

because its 1 bounty per weapon

per boss

[blissful mica]

no way!

wow ok

didn't know that

yeah i did stygian first time, spear just now

good to know, thanks

[chilly sonnet]

How many times can doom stack?

[signal aspen]

100000 times

its infinite

im pretty sure

[chilly sonnet]

So I don’t have to wait for a doom to hit an enemy before they can have another one

[signal aspen]

with a boon you can literally keep adding damage with doom

[chilly sonnet]

Nice

[signal aspen]

dire misfortune

every time an enemy with doom on them gets hit with another doom attack it adds more damage

[chilly sonnet]

Are you sure though? Whenever I get a three hit sword combo it looks like only one doom hits

[signal aspen]

it adds more damage to the doom

the doom doesnt hit 3 times

it does extra damage

[chilly sonnet]

No I mean in general not with dire misfortune

[signal aspen]

thats not how doom works

[chilly sonnet]

Oh, that’s what I meant by stack lol

How many can be on an enemy at a time

[signal aspen]

1 time

[chilly sonnet]

There I go

I have cursed slash rn so it’s very risk reward lmao it’s scary

[signal aspen]

get flurry slash

[craggy barn]

cursed slash is moreso high-risk low-reward

unless you get flurry slash but then there's the threat of not getting bored because it takes so long to kill things

[chilly sonnet]

I will if I get another hammer

[signal aspen]

you wont if you get a bad hammer

[chilly sonnet]

I needed it for a prophecy and I underestimated how much 60% was but I’m at 120 health now which could be worse ig

[stiff musk]

what would be your hp without the hammer

300 smth?

[chilly sonnet]

340 I think

Well I was pretty skeptical but I did it

Level 2 Artemis call and the doom got me a lot of damage (plus the obligatory crystal beam) and the cursed slash actually made me pretty sustainable if I didn’t play too aggressively. 4 dashes was a big help too

[stiff musk]

how did you get a fourth dash

[signal aspen]

hermes

[half zephyr]

usually hermes

[stiff musk]

ik hermes can give you a third dash

[signal aspen]

higher rarity boon

[half zephyr]

he can give up to 3 dashes or so

[signal aspen]

its possible to get 3 dashes from hermes

[stiff musk]

up to 3 dashes

[half zephyr]

mhm

depending on the boon rarity

you get more dashes the better the boon rarity

[signal aspen]

you can actually get 4 dashes from hermes

[half zephyr]

I did say or so

I couldn't remember if 3 was highest

[signal aspen]

one time i got heroic hyper sprint

100% speed boost for 0.9 seconds

[stiff musk]

is it +1 dash per rarity

[signal aspen]

yeah

[stiff musk]

i see

[chilly sonnet]

Bouta ruin my streak though by trying to clear the game with malphon

Anyone got any tips? Seems like a really difficult weapon to use effectively

[signal aspen]

what aspect are you using?

[chilly sonnet]

Also is it better to dash cancel after the 4th hit or 5th?

I assume 4th

[signal aspen]

bruh you counting your hits

[chilly sonnet]

I’m not using any aspects atm

[signal aspen]

get an aspect

or at least fully level up zag aspect

[chilly sonnet]

Nah don’t need one 😈

[signal aspen]

yes you do

[chilly sonnet]

I’ve managed to beat the game with the sword and bow without aspects

I’m sure it can’t be that hard with malphon

[signal aspen]

it will be easy with an aspect

[chilly sonnet]

Less about counting hits and more about timing and memorizing the pattern

Zag aspect malphon does not seem that useful

[signal aspen]

i just spam my dashes

the dashes are gonna recharge when you finish your combo

[chilly sonnet]

I’m pretty sure 4 hits dash cancel is optimal

If you wait until 5th hit there’s a cooldown after your dash until your attack starts again but if you do it before that you can be attacking immediately after the dash

[signal aspen]

then dash on the 4th hit i guess

i have never noticed that

[chilly sonnet]

If you need to see it do it on skelly, if you dash after 5th hit then you’ll see the number reset but if you dash before that the number keeps going

It’s also just really obvious when you compare them

How should i integrate specials? Should I just use it for burst damage?

[signal aspen]

sure

if you get aspect of dem you can get a lot more burst damage

[chilly sonnet]

Yeah bur I can’t afford that one yet

I don’t think

I have 10 titan blood but tbh I’d rather spend that on eris rail

[peak orbit]

Ah. Our lady and savior

[chilly sonnet]

On first chamber I got doom attack on malphon so if I can get dire misfortune I’m gonna be broken

[brisk trail]

Dire Misfortune is to weaken Ares' pool.

It's about as burner as a boon you can get, outside Tempest Strike/Flourish, Artemis' Call crit boon thing, and Life Affirmation.

[signal aspen]

you should probably get zeus attack and aphro special

then get zeus call

get smoldering air

easy win

[chilly sonnet]

Dude i never get Zeus for some reason

[peak orbit]

Malphon is one of my favorite weapons

[signal aspen]

just use his keepsake

[chilly sonnet]

Also I’ve been playing this game for like 5 days so I don’t know the names o of half the boons

Or any of the duo boobs tbh

[signal aspen]

lmao

[chilly sonnet]

😳

Also I only have about a third of the keepsakes

[signal aspen]

do you have zeus's keepsake

[chilly sonnet]

The only ones I use are like pierced butterfly spiked collar and harpy feather duster

The only olympian keepsake I have is athenas

[signal aspen]

h a r p y f e a t h e r d u s t e r

[chilly sonnet]

10hp per chamber is pretty useful imo 🤷‍♂️

[half zephyr]

you use that thing

[chilly sonnet]

Yes.

[signal aspen]

isnt it like 6% chance to get a health item in a pot

[half zephyr]

wao

I have yet to even fully max that one cuz I keep not wanting to use it

it's so useless

[chilly sonnet]

In my experience of using it I get one food in every chamber

Somehow

[signal aspen]

bruh

how

its literally the worst keepsake in the game imo

[chilly sonnet]

And I doubt my luck is that good

[half zephyr]

I never get any items from it

[chilly sonnet]

Does it not guarantee one per chamber? That’s what i assumed

[signal aspen]

nope

[half zephyr]

it's so bad

[chilly sonnet]

What

Dude I literally always get one food per chamber with feather duster

[signal aspen]

rn i have a 3% chance of getting a health item from a pot

[chilly sonnet]

Even in chambers with like 3 pots

[signal aspen]

super useful

[chilly sonnet]

That’s so weird i thought it guaranteed one per chamber

[signal aspen]

it doesnt

most of the time you dont get one

[half zephyr]

[chilly sonnet]

I’ve used it in at least 3 runs and it always has for me

That’s strange

[half zephyr]

it's not worth it anyways

[signal aspen]

3 r u n s

[half zephyr]

what good is food

[chilly sonnet]

+10 hp

[half zephyr]

just don't lose health

[chilly sonnet]

That’s like the talent that gives you +3 health/chamber but 10

[half zephyr]

I don't use that one

[signal aspen]

its the same thing but it has a 6% chance of happening

[chilly sonnet]

For me because I’m apparently the luckiest person alive when it comes to the harpy duster

[half zephyr]

I have dark regen

[chilly sonnet]

Same

[half zephyr]

but still, that keepsake is just bad

[chilly sonnet]

Rn I don’t really focus on keepsakes

I’m going for 100% so I just use the ones that aren’t leveled up so I can level them up and then just switch to spiked collar at Styx

[half zephyr]

spiked collar?!

wao

[chilly sonnet]

I like it ok

[half zephyr]

you're the only one I know of that does that

[signal aspen]

its fine

acorn or tooth is way better

[chilly sonnet]

It’s useful to someone who isn’t skilled at this game yet

[half zephyr]

so is tooth & acorn

acorn is best imo

[chilly sonnet]

I just got acorn so I haven’t leveled it up yet

I figured it would be 1 > 3 > 5 instead of 3 > 4 > 5 though

I take it back fists of malphon is super fun and good

[stiff musk]

what keepsakes are best for asphodel and elysium

[chilly sonnet]

Absolutely love how balanced this game is

[stiff musk]

assuming i have all boons for a build

[half zephyr]

uhm...

[signal aspen]

for asphodel you should take coin purse and for elysium acorn or tooth

[stiff musk]

i see

[half zephyr]

I just take whatever feels most fun at that point

if I got everything I'm after already

[stiff musk]

any reason for tooth > acorn bc i already have a three star acorn

[half zephyr]

to level it?

isn't tooth related to some story too at some point?
side story?

[signal aspen]

skellys heart i think

wait no

not the heart but it will be important for story

[half zephyr]

mhm

[digital python]

i tried using that one pact of punishment that gives you a timer on how long you have to get out the underworld and realized that regardless of how much time is actually on the clokc being timed is incredibly stressful for me

0/10 would not reccomend

[signal aspen]

have you heard of speedrunning?

[half zephyr]

try training for it by turning on the regular timer in settings

it'll just show you how much time you're spending during your run without a penalty

and hermes has new dialogue

[digital python]

no i was able to clear the game easily it was dope

[half zephyr]

to make it less stressful XD

[digital python]

i got rlly lucky cuz im usin aspect of poseiden w/ artemis' cast and got very lucky very early on,,, but still stressful lmao

[hushed pumice]

I felt that way about the timer too, then I realized the game should never take 20+ minutes unless I'm at 55 heat or so

[digital python]

9 minutes for each one is 36 minutes and i have literally never had a run over 30 minutes so it was pretty easy for the first rank but man i do not like bein timed

[hushed pumice]

You just have to adjust a little.

Don't waste time, take free rooms, play more aggressively.

[digital python]

no you misunderstand

it's not that it was hard to meet the timer

it was that doing so stressed me out incredibly even when i had like over ten minutes on the clock for a single boss fight

[stiff musk]

does the damage/slowness an enemy gets when they have the cast in them stack if they have multiple casts

[signal aspen]

no that would be broken

[stiff musk]

b

[signal aspen]

b

[digital python]

imagine getting extra casts from chaos

[signal aspen]

im not even talking about that

i got 2 extra casts from artemis

and i was using stygian soul

and i landed 15 casts on hades

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/817068513206075392/cast.png

[sturdy sphinx]

Do you prefer stygian soul

And lol

[digital python]

i didnt even realize that was possible

you can get extra casts from artemis?

oh stygian soul is the regenerate one right

do they not dissappear before they regenerate?

[chilly sonnet]

Imagine this with crystal beam and flurry cast

[signal aspen]

every casts sticks in the enemy for 15 seconds

[rose ibex]

what weapon you guys recommend to achieve the thorn of thanatos achievement?

[signal aspen]

you cant get flurry cast with stygian

[chilly sonnet]

Oh

[signal aspen]

guan yu or hestia

[digital python]

yea that would be... just TOO broken

[rose ibex]

hestia is that bow right?

[chilly sonnet]

Also I think it’s been about 3 runs since i last saw zeus idk where he is man

[signal aspen]

rail

[rose ibex]

Yeah I think I'll go with hestia cause I hate spear

[chilly sonnet]

Is rush kick good?

[digital python]

yeah the spears aspects r all super dissapointing :/ like aspect of achilles is kinda fun but also a death trap when i try to use it in asphodel

[chilly sonnet]

Bruhhh i tried to get rush kick but I accidentally got heavy knuckle :((

[signal aspen]

how is achilles spear a death trap?

[digital python]

im not coordinated enough to not accidentally thow myself into lava

[signal aspen]

ah yes, tartarus, the land of lava

tartarus is filled with lava

i hate it

[digital python]

im stupid

🤦

i meant asphodel lmao

[signal aspen]

you dont have to hold down special to get the bonus damage from the rush

[digital python]

what?

[signal aspen]

yeah

just tap special

[digital python]

also yea i know i can cancel the rush if i press y after but that

never happens

like i said, super uncoordinated lmao

[signal aspen]

you need to do double special

when you throw your spear with your special you have to hit special again to rush

and then you get your bonus damage

[digital python]

i know

[signal aspen]

and do you always look at the lava when you are using your spear

[digital python]

it's asphodel except for a few stages everywhere you look there is lava

[chilly sonnet]

Is it possible to purge daedelus buffs

[signal aspen]

not really

[digital python]

sometimes in styx there will be an option to purge one deadelus buff to get two more

but that's only part of the time

[signal aspen]

there this an anvil in styx though

[half zephyr]

only if you use the anvil, and that's just getting rid of one random & getting 2 new randoms

[signal aspen]

gets rid of one and gives you two random ones

[half zephyr]

you can't just get rid of hammer upgrades

[chilly sonnet]

Dang

[digital python]

the one time i needed it when i got two utterly useless buffs it wasnt there

[chilly sonnet]

Not really feeling heavy knuckle really wish I didn’t accidentally choose that instead of rush kick I really wanted rush kick lmao

[signal aspen]

heavy knuckle isnt that good

[sturdy sphinx]

I keep putting the weird hop slam study thing on arthur blade and it's so dumb

I got +20% special speed and I was just like frog hopping around

[signal aspen]

lmao

dash nova arthur

[sturdy sphinx]

Most of the damage is from regular attack anyways so I still clear but I'm going to stop picking it

[chilly sonnet]

Oof idk what to pick got another hammer

Colossus knuckle flying cutter or long knuckle

[signal aspen]

long knuckle

[chilly sonnet]

Flying cutter might be good since I have weak special and curse of longing, and i already have another +150% on special

That might be more useful than long knuckle for this specific build

[signal aspen]

fists isnt that good because of the short range attack

so i always try to get that

wait what does flying cutter do?

[chilly sonnet]

+100% base damage to special and you can hold it for longer range

[signal aspen]

oh

i dont like that one

when you play fists and use your special you should dash special

[chilly sonnet]

True

[signal aspen]

so take long knuckle

[chilly sonnet]

Fair enough

lll have to use all of them eventually anyway so might as well experiment

[peak orbit]

So hey, saw that you are new to hades, I heard you aren't as into aspects?

[chilly sonnet]

When I can afford them I will but the only ones I’ve invested in are zag spear and Eris

[half zephyr]

zag fist is fun

get max rank plume & max zag fist

[signal aspen]

z a g s p e a r

[half zephyr]

zoom

[chilly sonnet]

Eris because it’s broken and zag spear because it’s what I was using to beat the game the first time

[peak orbit]

If you like Sword,

[chilly sonnet]

I liked the spear special and hey it ended up working

[peak orbit]

Drop Zag

[chilly sonnet]

I don’t like sword lmao

[peak orbit]

Get Nemisis

Seriously

[chilly sonnet]

Might be my least favorite weapon besides rail

[peak orbit]

If you play sword optimally, you are going to have a flipping good time.

Nemesis is like my top 3 weapons.

[chilly sonnet]

I’m pretty sure you could say that about any weapon

Idk sword feels really slow to me

[signal aspen]

if you play sword good, then you are gonna do good

[sturdy sphinx]

When you big aura on arthur you can just kite people

[peak orbit]

Yeah because you are using his attack combo

DOn't do that

[sturdy sphinx]

It's crazy how low the reach is

[signal aspen]

dash strike dash strike special

[peak orbit]

Here's how we do things

[signal aspen]

over and over again

[chilly sonnet]

that’s boring tho

[peak orbit]

Special Dash Strike Dash Strike

Are you sure about that?

[sturdy sphinx]

I'm more of a chiron bow main tbh

[peak orbit]

You go zoom zoom zoom

[sturdy sphinx]

Stand in corner and shoot

[chilly sonnet]

A bit

[peak orbit]

How do you cover room clearance then?

[sturdy sphinx]

I stand in all the corners

[signal aspen]

bruh

[chilly sonnet]

Idk I like playing with ranged weapons unless it has super high burst like malphon and from the little I’ve used of it stygian doesn’t feel like it has high burst

[peak orbit]

Truuuuuussssst meeeeee

[signal aspen]

sword has great dps and high burst damage

[sturdy sphinx]

I like bow sword and shield

[half zephyr]

Sword is fast enough

If you’re after speed tho do zag fist w plume

[chilly sonnet]

Rail is kinda boring though cause it feels so static but Eris makes it more interesting

[peak orbit]

Nemesis Sword plus Artemis Attack

[half zephyr]

Dodge chance + bonus dodge & speed from plume~

[peak orbit]

You're going to have such a good time

[sturdy sphinx]

I never invest into dodge chance boons. I should try the way of the fist

I only have a couple clears on them

[peak orbit]

With Fists I run Demeter

It's beautiful

[sturdy sphinx]

That's the only aspect I unlocked so far

[signal aspen]

demeter has crazy damage

[peak orbit]

At max level you are doing *6 at a charged special

What do you guys recommend for hammers?

Is Flying Kick good?

[signal aspen]

no

[sturdy sphinx]

Does he actually do a kick animation tho

[signal aspen]

explosive upper is probably the best for demeter

[peak orbit]

More like an uppercut kick

Lemme see

[sturdy sphinx]

holy

[signal aspen]

you will get extra explosions depending on the level of the aspect

[sturdy sphinx]

I have some blood to dump

Should I max demeter?

[peak orbit]

Wait what the fu############??????????????????????????

[signal aspen]

what

[peak orbit]

SO WAIT THIS HAMMER MAKES THAT 6 EXTRA HITS DO DOUBLE DAMAGE?! WITH AN AREA OF EFFECT?!?!

[signal aspen]

yeah

[peak orbit]

Uh-!

I-

[sturdy sphinx]

[peak orbit]

chokes

[signal aspen]

oh no

[peak orbit]

Yesh

[sturdy sphinx]

I will now

I was going to pump up guan yu a bit but

I'm not that into it

[peak orbit]

Guan Yu looks like ass

[signal aspen]

guan yu is fine

[peak orbit]

I don't think I will ever use it unless it's to clear the prophecy.

[sturdy sphinx]

Guan Yu Did Nothing Wrong.

[peak orbit]

H-h-how?

[signal aspen]

guan yu can actually get some good dps

[peak orbit]

Guan Gong betrayed me by cutting my HP

[signal aspen]

charged skewer, aphro or artemis special

great damage

[sturdy sphinx]

I tried to clear with guan yu lvl 2 not a good thing to do

[peak orbit]

Aphro Special

[sturdy sphinx]

I almost cleared but the heals were not enough to stop papa from hurting

[peak orbit]

What is good about the skewer?

[signal aspen]

...damage

[peak orbit]

How much damage are we talking?

[signal aspen]

600+

[sturdy sphinx]

6000

60,000?

[peak orbit]

Wha

[signal aspen]

yeah

[peak orbit]

Wait what's the base damage?

[signal aspen]

it can one shot all bosses

[sturdy sphinx]

I started using thanatos summon because he's cute

[signal aspen]

guan yu special base damage isnt that good, but with artemis special or aphro special with charged skewer its base damage is like 200

thats with no upgrading and no crits

with a crit it can do 1000 damage

but you have to charge the special

[sturdy sphinx]

Crits are funny

They're all like

!

[signal aspen]

yeah

they do that

[sturdy sphinx]

YEAH!

As I get into my older years I prefer flat reliable damage increases

[peak orbit]

Holy

[signal aspen]

what

[peak orbit]

I never knew

What about the spin?

[signal aspen]

knew what

spin isnt good by itself

it needs quick spin

you should put athena, dio, and ares(?) on it so it can deal a decent amount of damage

[sturdy sphinx]

For the ares boon that says for each hit doom does more damage does that mean that number gets added for each doom based hit that connects before the doom drops?

So like if you have the extended doom thing you get more hits in before it drops?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[brisk trail]

Guan Yu is very good.

Oh, dang, I was 10 minutes behind.

[uncut dagger]

better late than never Schpoon

[brisk trail]

Correct, salby.

[sturdy sphinx]

So like if you have chrion bow with the +4 you're getting like 12 hits

[signal aspen]

yeah

[sturdy sphinx]

Hmm I know it's not the best to put ares on chrion special but just thinkin

[signal aspen]

ME chiron

[sturdy sphinx]

You could burst that probably 24/ 36 hits before doom drops

You chiron?

[signal aspen]

no i am not chiron

[sturdy sphinx]

Hi I'm... Salby

[chilly sonnet]

I didnt realize how much damage reduction my current build has but man

[signal aspen]

doom lasts for 1.5 seconds with impending doom

[chilly sonnet]

dad is hardly even scratching me despite how reckless i am

Aphrodite’s 22% reduction, sturdy on my dashes, weak special

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/834866333970595911/Screenshot_175.png

[sturdy sphinx]

Lol

[chilly sonnet]

What is that like 82% reduction?

[sturdy sphinx]

Was he hitting you for like 4

[chilly sonnet]

(On mine)

[signal aspen]

7

big difference

[sturdy sphinx]

😂

[chilly sonnet]

Hes hitting me for 14 rn so the other dude has the edge

But that’s still a lot of reduction

[peak orbit]

Alright then

[chilly sonnet]

Almost completely on accident

Well 14 without weak

Hey malphon isn’t bad my streak continues

Only one left is rail

[stiff musk]

i just realized

dusa is short for medusa

[signal aspen]

bruh

[stiff musk]

thats pretty cool

[peak orbit]

I mean

[signal aspen]

have you noticed that meg is short for megaera

thats pretty cool

[peak orbit]

She can also be called Maid-Dusa

[stiff musk]

please do not undermine my awakening

[peak orbit]

Question

[signal aspen]

have you noticed that than is short for thanatos

thats pretty cool

[peak orbit]

Do you guys think she's the original Medusa before she ended up here?

[half zephyr]

ye, that's her job

[peak orbit]

I love the pun

[half zephyr]

there's clues in her dialogue hinting to it

[signal aspen]

yeah they totally the same person

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh that makes sense lol

We just had that conversation about why she's just a head or zag asked her that and she's like I'd rather not talk about it

[half zephyr]

ye

no wonder

[peak orbit]

I wonder if the gorgon heads are just mindless spawns of DUsa

[half zephyr]

her head got chopped off & then athena attached it to her shield..

[peak orbit]

But her head clerly is still around

[half zephyr]

her dead head

we are in the underworld

if they're not a deity or similar they be ded

[peak orbit]

Good point

[signal aspen]

medusa went from turning people into stone to feeding cerberus

[peak orbit]

And having a crush on Zagreus

[half zephyr]

she's just shy

you're the Prince
she's the housekeep

she's just shy & doesn't know how to act around you

[signal aspen]

well i got her bond and now she is not shy anymore

[half zephyr]

cuz she trusts you now

[chilly sonnet]

When does the story end btw

[signal aspen]

when you beat it

[chilly sonnet]

Like how many times do I have to escape to complete the story

[signal aspen]

at least 40

[chilly sonnet]

😐

Jeez

[half zephyr]

you also need rng

[chilly sonnet]

Oh boy

[half zephyr]

why that face tho

it's a fun game

[chilly sonnet]

It is but that’s a lot of runs to see the ending

[half zephyr]

it's a roguelite..?

[chilly sonnet]

This is my first roguelike lol

[signal aspen]

after 10 runs you get the ending, but you need a lot more to get the epilogue

[half zephyr]

the whole point of the game is to just do the same runs over & over

[chilly sonnet]

First proper roguelike anyway

[half zephyr]

and most roguelite don't even have that much story

[chilly sonnet]

I mean I’m going for 100% so I’ll probably have to do well over 40 runs anyway

[half zephyr]

we got spoiled w Hades

[half zephyr]

steam 100%..?

[signal aspen]

100% is gonna take 200 runs or something

[chilly sonnet]

Probably

Well I’m at 5 now, baby steps

[half zephyr]

indeed

good luck

[signal aspen]

im at 300 and i still have not completed it

[chilly sonnet]

But oh boy I’m not looking forward to the high heat runs

[half zephyr]

just take it 1 heat at a time

and don't do the extra effort ones unless you have to

[signal aspen]

i did 10 heat zag bow then jumped to 32 heat zag bow

[chilly sonnet]

I mean it seems like the hard part would just be beating the highest heats on every weapon and the rest would just be grinding unless I’m forgetting something

[half zephyr]

ye, some do be like that

[signal aspen]

highest heat?

[chilly sonnet]

Like all the way up to 20

[half zephyr]

that's not highest heat

[signal aspen]

oh

64 is highest heat

[half zephyr]

that's just when you stop getting rewards

[chilly sonnet]

I know but that’s the cutoff for when you stop getting rewards right

[half zephyr]

you need 32 for the statue

[chilly sonnet]

So going above 20 is just for funsies isn’t it

[signal aspen]

not really

[chilly sonnet]

Oh

[signal aspen]

40 heat is not fun

[chilly sonnet]

Do you ever have to fo above 32?

[signal aspen]

no

but you can

[chilly sonnet]

Okay that’s something

I’m not going to lmao

[sturdy sphinx]

Heat

[half zephyr]

I don't even know what the steam achievements are

[sturdy sphinx]

I don't really mind any of them except the time constraint one it just makes me nervous the whole time

[chilly sonnet]

I’ve done Max heat (but I don’t know what the missing ones are) and I managed to get through like 7 chambers before dying from being out of time so

Not gonna do that again

[sturdy sphinx]

Lol

[half zephyr]

I don't notice it since I'm always using the regular timer anyways

[chilly sonnet]

But if I keep improving it can’t be that hard. Even now the only really hard enemies are the 3rd and 4th boss

Actually no cause with the boss upgrades punishment meg was pretty annoying

[half zephyr]

extreme measures?

those are fun

[signal aspen]

em1 is fun

[chilly sonnet]

Yeah I think

[signal aspen]

em2 is fun

em3 is fun

em4 is garbage

[half zephyr]

em4 is sad

I can't even stop to enjoy the music

[chilly sonnet]

No fight with Theseus will ever be fun

[half zephyr]

every fight with theseus is hilarious

[uncut dagger]

well then just buy the song

[half zephyr]

especially em3

[chilly sonnet]

What does em4 do

[signal aspen]

the past few runs with theseus are fun

[half zephyr]

his laughter is brilliant

[half zephyr]

prove that daddy loves us & is on easy mode

[half zephyr]

why do you assume I haven't?

[chilly sonnet]

I’m just gonna watch a playthrough of it cause now I’m curious

[signal aspen]

health regen, cerberus tries to kill you, 3rd phase, double spin, harder enemies, his laser attack pushes you away

[half zephyr]

still means nothing when I wanna enjoy it in the moment

[signal aspen]

he throws his spear at you

[chilly sonnet]

Cerberus?

[half zephyr]

ye

[signal aspen]

yeah

[chilly sonnet]

Oh nah

[half zephyr]

his call

[uncut dagger]

yeah

[chilly sonnet]

no no no no

[signal aspen]

you can just skip him

[uncut dagger]

it's pretty cringe

[chilly sonnet]

Nope

[half zephyr]

dun worry

[signal aspen]

cerb skip is easy

[half zephyr]

he just runs through the field like a good puppy

[signal aspen]

just use achilles spear with crystal clarity

[signal aspen]

and then he eats you

[half zephyr]

it's a worthy end

[chilly sonnet]

Still don’t like Theseus

[half zephyr]

it's ok, I can love him for you

[chilly sonnet]

Hes funny but his fight is garbage

[half zephyr]

he's one of my favorite Hades characters

[uncut dagger]

Theseus boss has become pretty easy for me
except when he gets aided by Demeter
I hate that

[half zephyr]

he's hilarious

[uncut dagger]

he is

when I saw him with the Macedonian I burst out laughing

[sturdy sphinx]

I like knocking theseus out of his chariot

[uncut dagger]

he looked like Bibleman

[sturdy sphinx]

I also like dialogue when they get the armor and when they remove the armor and then when they get the armor again

[chilly sonnet]

Do you have to beat the em bosses for anything special for 100%

[uncut dagger]

nah

well

actually, yes

[chilly sonnet]

Ok good

[half zephyr]

em3 prophecy

[chilly sonnet]

Oh

[uncut dagger]

Poseidon has a quest where you have to do EM3

it's not that bad once you get used to it

[chilly sonnet]

Is there like a true ending behind em4 :(

[uncut dagger]

no

but there is some neat dialogue

[opaque radish]

Do well of charon items last into the Hades fight?

[half zephyr]

em4 if you want to get the epic music for your house

[chilly sonnet]

Oh ok thank goodness I’m just gonna avoid that one entirely rhen

[signal aspen]

yeah

[sturdy sphinx]

If they do they do @opaque radish

[signal aspen]

if you time it correctly

and get good sack rng

[sturdy sphinx]

I really liked when chaos gave me the quest to beat hades with his egg

[chilly sonnet]

So there’s a collectible behind it

[sturdy sphinx]

He was just like it would be funny

Lol

[opaque radish]

right its a 6 encounter boon im looking at and I just picked it up before hades

[half zephyr]

well, you can buy the music for your music stand to listen to in the house

[signal aspen]

wait what is the song called for em4 fight

[half zephyr]

the unseen ones

[uncut dagger]

The Unseen Ones

[signal aspen]

thats on spotify

[uncut dagger]

it is

[half zephyr]

ye

it's also on yt

and itunes

[sturdy sphinx]

How many diamonds to unlock?

[uncut dagger]

I bought the OST
worthy investment B)

[signal aspen]

you need 100 diamonds to unlock spotify

[sturdy sphinx]

So many diamonds

[opaque radish]

the song is 5 dimaongs

[half zephyr]

ye, I have the cd at home

[opaque radish]

I bought it recently

[half zephyr]

I love putting The Unseen Ones on before I exit the game

[uncut dagger]

I bought it when I got the game, I figured "well if they have the OST sold seperately it must be good"

[half zephyr]

great way to start up again when I get back in

[uncut dagger]

I took a wise gamble with that one

it was also on Sale so I felt obligated to

[signal aspen]

idk why but i kinda want it now

[half zephyr]

lol

[sturdy sphinx]

Probably should get it on vinyl I guess

[half zephyr]

thought that was sold out everywhere

[chilly sonnet]

Mah screw that im not doing that fight

[sturdy sphinx]

Lol

[uncut dagger]

do you even have to complete it?

to get the song?

[signal aspen]

probably

[half zephyr]

it was not actually that hard when I did it

[chilly sonnet]

If I could just do it by itself sure but I’m not going to go through the entire game over and over to keep trying

[sturdy sphinx]

Good question A lot of the prophecies are like the weapons and stuff You just need to get to Hades and you don't even need to beat him

[uncut dagger]

well, try this
when you do the EM3 prphecy, crank it to EM4, try to get to Hades, see if the song unlocks if you do get to him

[rose ibex]

bro

[signal aspen]

bro

[rose ibex]

I hate asphodel

[signal aspen]

cool

[half zephyr]

the feeling is likely mutual

[rose ibex]

idk how to write it

[signal aspen]

you're correct

[rose ibex]

I took no damage on every tartarus room

[uncut dagger]

nah man Elysium's where my hatred circulates

[chilly sonnet]

I remember when someone told me styx was harder than Elysium

[rose ibex]

but asphodel

ok bot

[chilly sonnet]

Owned

[uncut dagger]

we can't say the f-word here

[rose ibex]

the lava man

[uncut dagger]

use feck instead, family friendly

[half zephyr]

lava man?

[uncut dagger]

lava, man

[signal aspen]

man made of lava

[rose ibex]

yes

[half zephyr]

no avoiding filter

[uncut dagger]

where the hyuck is THAT enemy

[sturdy sphinx]

Assphodel

[signal aspen]

man made of lava, i just told you

[half zephyr]

there's a lava man?

[signal aspen]

asphodel

[uncut dagger]

I want to see him though :'(

[rose ibex]

I need just 5 rooms to unlock the thorn of thanatos achievement but Idk elysium is kinda hard to not get hit sometimes

[signal aspen]

so when you make it to asphodel you need to kill yourself

and then you will see him

[chilly sonnet]

Oh yeah I remember that enemy

Got him by accident and he killed my run

[opaque radish]

what enemy?

[uncut dagger]

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

are you being serious here

[chilly sonnet]

Lava man

[uncut dagger]

I am curious now

[signal aspen]

yeah

[chilly sonnet]

Yes it’s real

[opaque radish]

...man made of lava?

[uncut dagger]

so, the first room of Asphodel, right after you ascend out of Tart

[chilly sonnet]

Correct

[uncut dagger]

kill yourself?

[signal aspen]

there are a lot of easter eggs in hades

[chilly sonnet]

Yes

[uncut dagger]

man, you people better be right about this

[opaque radish]

on any heat? even 0?

[signal aspen]

max heat

[sturdy sphinx]

And if you're playing on PC make sure to delete system 32

[signal aspen]

you need it to be as hot as possible to see the lava man

[opaque radish]

lol ok

[chilly sonnet]

Doesn’t have to be max but you need at least 50

[signal aspen]

oh true

[chilly sonnet]

It’s a really hard fight though but I think you need to beat him to unlock the last fish

[opaque radish]

I just lost on 15 heat to Hades ugh

had some really strong Pos boons too

[uncut dagger]

😮

that's very useful

[half zephyr]

pos is great for clearing rooms, but not always the best to fight bosses

[sturdy sphinx]

Isn't there something with hypnos though and asterious where you have to lose to him in the mini boss battle and then he asked for his autograph or something

[uncut dagger]

if I ever even get out of Tartarus with 50 Heat I'll try that out

[chilly sonnet]

The last fish gets you like 125 gemstones so it is

[rose ibex]

ok I was about to no hit hydra but a rock hit me out of nowhere and I didnt get the buff

[uncut dagger]

that's crap

[signal aspen]

b o u l d y

[chilly sonnet]

Bruh how do I talk to Bouldy

I saw someone else do it

[half zephyr]

sisyphus

[sturdy sphinx]

Get real close

[half zephyr]

nectar

trust

bouldy talk

[sturdy sphinx]

Rub the nectar on bouldys body

[uncut dagger]

Trust in Bouldy, and Bouldy will trust in you 🙏

[half zephyr]

I used my diamond pickaxe last time someone sent me bouldy

[sturdy sphinx]

". . . . ."

[chilly sonnet]

I trust in bouldy

I trust in bouldy

[half zephyr]

sisyphus has to introduce you

[chilly sonnet]

I trust in bouldy

[uncut dagger]

you can't just say it
you have to FEEEEEEEL it

[signal aspen]

bouldy doesnt trust you

[sturdy sphinx]

Bouldy is actually Wilson from popular movie Castaway that's why Sisyphus looks like Tom Hanks

[chilly sonnet]

Bruh it’s an emote

[signal aspen]

lmao

[half zephyr]

ye, doesn't matter if the name is against the filter

proxy reacts to the emoji link name

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah I got filtered by a emoji before

[half zephyr]

also, no avoiding the filter

[signal aspen]

olympus will smite you

[half zephyr]

indeed

[sturdy sphinx]

TAKEN BY THE STYX

[opaque radish]

one of my fav easter eggs is getting 69 gold and Zag says Nice

[half zephyr]

more banished into depths of erebus or smth

[uncut dagger]

bum
bum
bum bum

[signal aspen]

bruh

[chilly sonnet]

Isn’t that a thing in the game

[signal aspen]

go to horny jail

you have to max all her hearts

[uncut dagger]

is it bad that I once recorded this event

[chilly sonnet]

I wonder why megaera specifically

[uncut dagger]

because I thought it was kinda funny

[signal aspen]

what do you mean video it fades to black

[uncut dagger]

well, still

[half zephyr]

it's explained in the story

well, side story

[chilly sonnet]

Oh

[uncut dagger]

oh here let me rephrase

I recorded it

[sturdy sphinx]

Horny jail is the DLC

[uncut dagger]

The House is it's own Horny Jail

[sturdy sphinx]

Its a new world between asphodel and elysium

[half zephyr]

no

[signal aspen]

nah she rejects you

[chilly sonnet]

Poor zag

[uncut dagger]

I wish
(this is a joke I like the real ending more)

[half zephyr]

they don't even like each other that way

[uncut dagger]

yes

[chilly sonnet]

Zag has megaera and nyx and he chose a disembodied maid head with snakes

[uncut dagger]

that's why I like the real ending more

[half zephyr]

nyx is his foster mom - he literally views her as his mother

[uncut dagger]

Bro Nyx is basically his Mom

[signal aspen]

yeah

she raised him

[chilly sonnet]

Whoops

[signal aspen]

when mom wasnt around

[chilly sonnet]

Ok he has meg and aphrodite

[half zephyr]

dusa is perfect
she got wonderful snek hair

[signal aspen]

aphro is married and likes ares

[half zephyr]

as if aphrodite would be that interested in him

you're just a lil kid

[signal aspen]

zag is 5

[chilly sonnet]

As if someone wouldn’t be interested in zag

[half zephyr]

dusa isn't

artemis isn't

alecto & tisiphone aren't either

[uncut dagger]

also Aphro is his cousin

[half zephyr]

since when

[uncut dagger]

too bad Ares likes Nyx

[signal aspen]

that doesnt matter

[half zephyr]

aphro has a completely different origin story

[uncut dagger]

oh wait what

OHHHHHHH

[half zephyr]

she was born from sea foam

pg version

[uncut dagger]

.....that's just the normal one?

[signal aspen]

s e a f o a m

[stiff musk]

terrible post

[half zephyr]

I can't exactly tell the exact version cuz it isn't for kids

[stiff musk]

please apologize

[half zephyr]

no

not poseidon..

[signal aspen]

bruh

[uncut dagger]

wait, really?

[half zephyr]

ye

[chilly sonnet]

Based post

[uncut dagger]

sorry I deleted that

[half zephyr]

try zeus' grandfather

[craggy barn]

not the first time i've seen something like that ^^

[uncut dagger]

wait
WHAT

really?

[half zephyr]

uhhuh

[uncut dagger]

that's the new version? or the old version?

[stiff musk]

@chilly sonnet apologize

[half zephyr]

that's how it's always been..?

[uncut dagger]

wait really

[chilly sonnet]

For what? Being based?

[craggy barn]

just saying this really isn't the first time someone asked for a scene of zagreus being megged

[uncut dagger]

I'm looking this one up

[rose ibex]

the thorn of thanatos works on the 4th floor?

[half zephyr]

not being clean

?

in the chat

[craggy barn]

based af tho ngl

[half zephyr]

you do that

[stiff musk]

wanting to bonk the woman who brutally murders you on multiple occasions is not "based"

[uncut dagger]

uhh

[uncut dagger]

should I DM it to you? doesn't feel appropriate for this chat

[half zephyr]

[uncut dagger]

but they're in looooooooooooooooooooooooove

[half zephyr]

sure, now you see why I called it the pg version earlier

feel free to DM

[craggy barn]

what not having battie does to a mf

[chilly sonnet]

Is the nyx mirror upgrade that costs 30 keys the last one?

[stiff musk]

ye

[signal aspen]

yeah

[high island]

2. Keep it clean.

[chilly sonnet]

Does it mean anything when hades says something before a run starts and a word comes on screen

[opaque radish]

In the beginning? I think that's just flavor text

[signal aspen]

no

[chilly sonnet]

Just blew all of my titan blood on eris

[signal aspen]

nice

[chilly sonnet]

Rail is the last weapon I need to heat the game with

Really don’t like it tho lol

[signal aspen]

rail is great

[half zephyr]

you just need more dakka

[opaque radish]

I used a PoP to remove one boon selection per boon pickup and lost two of the same Duo

[half zephyr]

that's how it is
that's how it goes

[chilly sonnet]

Also the Eris buff isn’t global is it? It’s just for the attack right

[signal aspen]

its global

thats the great thing about it

[half zephyr]

global~

[chilly sonnet]

Lmao nice

[half zephyr]

why do you think eris is so great

[chilly sonnet]

If I can get crystal beams it’s a done deal

[signal aspen]

zeus attack, artemis special, poseidon dash

[chilly sonnet]

Or dionysis call

[signal aspen]

everything is buffed

[half zephyr]

I like aphro call

I just love pausing dads laser show

[craggy barn]

wait if eris also increases call damage does that also mean aphro aid

4375

[signal aspen]

nope

[opaque radish]

coronacht is toooo slow in the beginning unless you have a daedalus boon ughh

[craggy barn]

are you dash-striking

[signal aspen]

dash striking makes the bow charge faster

[sturdy sphinx]

Dash striking makes the world go round

[rare gust]

Dash Striking reduces bow damage by a fair bit but it also makes you spam it more often

[warped iron]

for what it's worth, hermes attack speed increase doesn't affect dash strike

🙁

most notably relevant for bow

unsure if it's intentional or not, though

[rare gust]

Hermes attack speed increases the rate it charges right?

Or am I placebo-ing it

[warped iron]

Not for dash strike.

It's a separate thing from attack

Yes, hermes swift strike increases bow attack charge speed, but not dash strike charge speed

it's

weird

[chilly sonnet]

https://imgur.com/a/GpndfOu

Somehow i lost with this build

I don’t like the rail

[high elk]

same

[chilly sonnet]

Just a less fun version of the bow tbh

[half zephyr]

rail is more fun then bow for me

and easier to use

I couldn't tell what your build was either - I don't recognize the boons by icons

you should try a few more times & see if you can find the boons that work for you

[signal aspen]

dude, why are you using artemis attack and zeus special

[half zephyr]

wait

that's what he was using??

[chilly sonnet]

Important ones are support fire, Artemis attack boon, Mark, Zeus special, crystal beam

[half zephyr]

why

[signal aspen]

yeah

[chilly sonnet]

And cluster fire

Whatever it’s called

[half zephyr]

what build is that

[signal aspen]

you should be using zeus attack artemis special

[half zephyr]

ye

[chilly sonnet]

I’d rather have crits on attack tbh

[signal aspen]

zeus is much better on attack

[chilly sonnet]

Especially since with mark I had like a 65% crit chance

[half zephyr]

but

different strats work better for different weapons & aspects..

[chilly sonnet]

Either way I’ll have to try again but rail is still not fun for me

If you could move while shooting or it had more ammo maybe

More ammonwithout zag aspect

[half zephyr]

there's an infinite ammo upgrade..

[chilly sonnet]

I didn’t get it

Would’ve been useful tho

[half zephyr]

and even without it

if you stop attacking when you run out

then it auto fills

[uncut dagger]

while reloading you can drop a bomb

[half zephyr]

I just dash when I can't attack

[signal aspen]

reload when you special

[half zephyr]

or use special

[uncut dagger]

keeps the momentum moving

[chilly sonnet]

I know the hard part is just managing the reload attacking special and cast all at once

I do special when I run out

[half zephyr]

I barely bother w cast myself

I wish you luck on your next attempt

[chilly sonnet]

I can’t believe I didn’t just shred dad with crystal beam

I had for of em with 13 damage plus Eris

Alright attempt 3 with rail

Just ruined my streak let’s see if I can start a new one

Omg I just got back to the house and ||orpheus is singing eurydices song||

My heart

[opaque radish]

the very last boon of my run (I won) was Exclusive Access lol

gee thanks game

[chilly sonnet]

What’s that

[signal aspen]

exclusive access is bad end game

[opaque radish]

all boons you find are epic

and it was the last one I got lol

[chilly sonnet]

Bro what how do you get that one

Whose is it?

[opaque radish]

Pos

[signal aspen]

poseidon and dio duo

[opaque radish]

ah yes

[chilly sonnet]

Ah

Does hell mode do anything besides just give you the pact of punishment immediately

[brisk trail]

There's a Pact option that's unique to Hell Mode, and 5 unremovable Heat.

[opaque radish]

wait what is hell mode?

[half zephyr]

it's when you play on "hard mode"

you can only choose it from the file selection menu when you start a new file/game

[trail plover]

Which boon causes damage when you dislodge cast?

[half zephyr]

exit wounds?

[trail plover]

Yes, thank you! Do you remember which god that’s from?

[half zephyr]

artemis I believe

[trail plover]

Cool thanks!

[trail hazel]

does unlocking other aspects count towards the requirment for unlocking the hidden aspect?

[half zephyr]

yes

you can check out the requirements in the pinned msgs in #h1-story-discussion

all of them are individually spoiler tagged

[trail hazel]

ah ok

thx

[rare briar]

i know its f10 to report a bug, but when i hit the f10 key nothing happens... is there something else i'm supposed to do, or?

[chilly sonnet]

Is explosive fire good?

I have that, ricochet fire, or hazard bomb and I’m definitely not using hazard bomb on eris lmao

I could use ricochet but I’ve already used it and I’m trying to fill prophecies

[signal aspen]

On pc you should press f10 in game to submit a bug

[signal aspen]

It's fine

[olive smelt]

Dad fight

Attempt 2

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA FRICC YOU DAAAAD WOOOOOOOO

[brisk trail]

I cant take it, i see an image of a random object posted and then i see it, I see it. oh that looks kinda like the hades guy! it started as thats funny, thats a cool reference but i kept going. id see a fridge that looked like zagreus , id see an animated bag of chips that looks like zagreus , id see a hat that looks like zagreus , and every time i burst into an insane, breath deprived laughed staring at the image as the words zagreus ran through my head. its torment, psychological torture. i am being conditioned to laugh maniacally every time i see an oval on a red object. i cant live like this. i cant i cant i cant i cant i CANT. and dont get me started on the words. ill never hear the word hades again without thinking of zagreus. someone does something bad and i cant say anything other than hades. i could watch a man murder everyone i love and all id be able to say is zagreus and laugh like an insane person. and the hades is ruined, the phrase hades is ruined. i cant live anymore. zagreus has destroyed my life. i want to eject myself from this plain of existence. make it stop!

[half zephyr]

play another game

[brisk trail]

i cant

[half zephyr]

sure you can

[brisk trail]

hades is the only thing i can think of

[half zephyr]

then play hades

[brisk trail]

Ok thanks

[signal aspen]

Cool