h1-discussion

[grave kayak]

I was sitting there like, the hell is this lmao

[coral vector]

Is zeus shield good withou any upgrades?

[signal aspen]

Its fine without upgrading it, just put zeus special boon and pom it a bunch

But you should definitely upgrade it

[coral vector]

Ok thanks

[modern garnet]

As far as shield aspects it might be the strongest level 1

[grave kayak]

When u get the upgraded attack when it flashes, it does 500 percent more damage and it makes short work out of most enemies. Pair it with posideon and you can knock guys into walls and do even more damage. I almost beat it with the shield.

[signal aspen]

That's a hammer upgrade, we were talking about the upgrading the level of the aspect, but that's still good advice

[grave kayak]

Ohhh my b. I thought u meant the weapon

I need to venture out and use more weapons I don't really like the spear but idk

[native wave]

achilles aspect on spear can break stuff

er, mebbe not "break" but you can get some gnarly builds goin

particularly cast builds

ahh crep, idk if that's a spoiler is it

oh I didn't notice the channel topic

[tidal scarab]

Woo. I did it guys. I finally beat Hades for first time.
shoutout to Daedalus Hammer(s). The one that gives you the fast attack and the one that gives you 2hp per hit
Mixed that with Are's Doom Inflict and I knew I was winning this run.

[native wave]

hell ye, congrats :)

[tidal scarab]

And the last hermes boon b4 the fight gave me a FOUR times dash?
Chef's Kiss

[tidal scarab]

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[native wave]

hahah

ye the plus dashes boon is probably the best boon in the game

good stuff

[tidal scarab]

yeah hermes is definitely in my top 5 gods. I once got a boon that made my projectiles return to me instantly
i'm definitely going to try to mix that with Are's rift blade when i get the chance.

[native wave]

you mean the boon that makes bloodstones automatically come back to you?

[tidal scarab]

yeah

[native wave]

oh that;s right, it's the other hermes leg

[tidal scarab]

i be forgetting names

[native wave]

its tough to get it to show up

I think you have to have the faster cast boon for it to show up, though that might've changed

I haven't been thru a run in a few months

[tidal scarab]

ah noted

[signal aspen]

You need flurry cast, faster cast drop time, or hermes keepsake to get that

[brisk trail]

Also Infernal Soul.

[signal aspen]

Yeah

[tidal scarab]

yeah I did have his keepsake now that i recall

[native wave]

oh yea

[brisk trail]

Bad News (+50% Cast damage to enemies who aren't currently lodged) is the Legendary for Stygian Soul.

[native wave]

i always forget about the keepsake triggering the prereq

[signal aspen]

Bad news is an insane boon

[native wave]

yis

[brisk trail]

Bad News and Hunting Blades or Homing Lasers? Yes please.

That's not what Bad News does.

[signal aspen]

Bruh what

[brisk trail]

It's extra Cast damage against enemies who don't already have a Stone in them.

[signal aspen]

Damn

Why was everything taking extra damage

Rip

[native wave]

ye it's just cast dmg

[brisk trail]

Were you using Ares, Dio, or Dem?

[native wave]

why its good with lazers

[signal aspen]

I wasn't even using my cast

I just had the keepsake to level it up

[native wave]

ye, I think the whole point is to not have the bloodstones lodge at all

hence stygian

and it can give nutso dmg

with any cast rly

idk if the athena cast and athena/aphro duo is still a thing but

you get hermes leg on top

oh my

[rapid forum]

wat

[brisk trail]

guys in hades bb is pp upside down

[knotty glen]

sup ppls

do i just miss the active times in here?

[olive smelt]

Yus

[novel wasp]

hi

[undone hornet]

How does Arthur actually improve as you level it

[craggy barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/mx1zc5/didnt_know_you_could_get_hurt_by_your_own_summon/

[hollow hawk]

it should show the improvement on the level-up hover, but eitherway upgrading it increases the dmg reduction and speed reduction that enemies get when theyre in the arthur special aura

[undone hornet]

Aight, I just wasn't sure if it did anything else

[rapid forum]

hard to measure dmg reduction when you get hit all the time

ahahahhahahahaha

ha.......

[nocturne reef]

I just found the most bizzare amazon listing using the hades artwork lol

[rare gust]

Nothing feels better than dashing with Arthur's third attack

Like smearing the wettest willy slowly across your most disliked cousin's face

Absolute savagery

[rapid forum]

are you speaking from experience?

cause that's pretty specific

[brisk trail]

how do you bet hades with the sword

I beat him with the gun and shield so far but having issues with sword

[rare gust]

You need to learn the secret of Stygius then

[brisk trail]

holy 10 hp beat him

secret of what

[rare gust]

The most damage effective combo, apparently is Special > Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike

[brisk trail]

yeah I just figured out if I stand on top of him and push down mouse button I can do a lot of damage

[half zephyr]

he can also do a lot of dmg to you

[rare gust]

This opens up potential for Dash Strike bonuses, main attack bonuses, as well as Nemesis, or Privelege Status

[brisk trail]

and can avoid all damage when she shoots lasers

I had flurry upgrade

[rare gust]

The flurry rush is alright

But practice that combo and things go faster

Speedrunners really like Nemesis with that combo, too

30% Crit Chance, and imagine getting that hammer with the Double Dash Strikes

Or Merciful End, with Athena Dash

According to them the main attack sequence is only for fat crowds

[brisk trail]

flurry flash and piercing wave
divine strike lv6 zeus aid lv 4 and scintillating fast duo

and took like 500 health by now it's my new best time 28 minutes

[rare gust]

but if you're picking on a boss, that combo can do you no wrong

Unless it is Lernie with EM

On the other hand

I really liked the Zeus Aspect

Now I love it

Dude why is no one raving about it? The DPS potential is insane, especially with PS

[brisk trail]

cause beowulf is better ?

[half zephyr]

everyone loves zeus aspect..

[rare gust]

Beowulf is clunky to use, and a bit slow I might add

[half zephyr]

it's agreed by most to be the best shield aspect..

[rare gust]

Really? I've heard people describe it as eh

[brisk trail]

but it can like 1 shot hades second phase

[rare gust]

IF

You get good casts/flares

[half zephyr]

we refer to it as beyblade

[rare gust]

I need to see how it goes now

[half zephyr]

basic shield & chaos shield are pinball 1 & 2

zeus shield is beyblade

and beo is beo I guess

[rare gust]

Perfect Zeus setup in my mind right now is Demeter Attack, Dionysus Flourish, and Dionysus/Artemis duo

[half zephyr]

I love getting either zeus special or artie special on beyblade

and support fire

gotta get support fire

[rare gust]

Support Fire on Zeus is still broken

As I pointed out last time, when retrieving the disc it recognizes Zag as an entity

[half zephyr]

usually also either tidal dash or pos attack so I can more easy knock everyone into the beyblade

[rare gust]

If you let it touch you without collecting it

It just sprays Support Fire arrows

[half zephyr]

beyblade is fun

so, if you see someone talk about beyblade in here it's usually either Zeus Aspect or em3 asterius, but most often it's zeus shield

[brisk trail]

I wish you could pick up upgrades and boons in the training room to try all sorts of things

[half zephyr]

just do runs

that's how you try things

[rare gust]

No better place to adapt and research than on the battlefield itself'

[half zephyr]

more like

[rare gust]

Skelly ain't gonna hurt you so how are you going to test like half of them

[half zephyr]

unless you play seeded there's no way to know what you'll get anyways

no matter how much you practice

[brisk trail]

the flying skeletal heads remind me of enemies in doom eternal

[rare gust]

Lost Souls you mean

[dusky wedge]

On that note, will SGG ever gonna add seeded runs feature on the Switch?

[brisk trail]

prob not since theres none on pc either?

[half zephyr]

mhm

do believe it's a PC mod feature

[brisk trail]

two duo boons in one

cold embrace or cold fusion

mods are a different story tho

[hollow hawk]

Its not a feature on pc

[hollow hawk]

Nope

Mods only allow you to see your current seed

They dont allow you to modify it

You still have to modify it yourself, by summoning, destroying pots, casting etc

You can set your starting boon

using mods

but thats about it, you'll have to route the run yourself

[high island]

Seeded doesn't necessarily imply routed.

[hollow hawk]

yeah i wrongly assumed they were talking about routed

They were probably talking about ello's boon selector and thought it was a sgg built-in pc feature

[craggy barn]

i just got my first sub 10 with eris and then i jump straight to trying to sub 10 with beo

my luck was been horrible

[rapid forum]

It's okay

I still haven't beaten my sub 12 eris

then again

[half zephyr]

I didn’t know that was a thing at all even..
I just imagined seeded as knowing the seed & being able to run it again..

Like Isaac..

[rapid forum]

I rarely play

[hollow hawk]

i wish that was a thing

But unfortunately no

[high island]

I've been working on sub 7 Hera, but the game insists on giving me all the worst Elysium rooms in all the wrong orders.

[hollow hawk]

wait worst elysium rooms in wrong order?

huh

[rapid forum]

as a wise man once said

[hollow hawk]

Would they not be bad if they were in the right order?

[rapid forum]

"Ez, git gud"
-that guy prob

[craggy barn]

barged, sacked 3 runs in a row

also no mirage shot

[hollow hawk]

spammy speedrun arc any% glitchless

[craggy barn]

literally my first sub 10 was this morning

[hollow hawk]

and now you're crying about sacks and barges

[high island]

Just get sub 10 with barge, 3-sack, and no Mirage Shot.

[hollow hawk]

Tbh barges and sacks dont matter much at sub 9 levels id say

[craggy barn]

it does when you suck at the game lol!!

[high island]

Well, they don't make it easier.

[hollow hawk]

eh, elysium rng beats them

[craggy barn]

honestly barge isn't that awful

flame wheels

[hollow hawk]

Anything more than a 3 sack is pain though

[rapid forum]

tfw when you barely survived by the skin of your teeth at styx

.....then realize you put EM4

[craggy barn]

just don't die

[high island]

Elite Flame Wheels make for very fast chambers.

[rapid forum]

and quick death

apparently

[hollow hawk]

elite armoured witches too

[rapid forum]

well

if you have divine dash

[hollow hawk]

nah in a speedrun context

like whatever weapon youre playing, elite armoured witches are worth a lot of points and have little health

[craggy barn]

i just hate flame wheels

[high island]

Don't question the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite!

[hollow hawk]

So a room with them will go very quick

[craggy barn]

i don't care if they're faster but it's not like that flame wheels release is still worth it anyway

[rapid forum]

FO2 flame wheels....

I still can't get over them

[high island]

It's not worth it if you want speed.

[craggy barn]

how much does it cost?

75 obols or something?

75 obols is too much to make one enemy not show up

unless it was exalted shades in which case 😩 👌

[high island]

Normal Flame Wheels are still faster than a room of normal Brightswords or something.

[brisk trail]

flame wheels are the smol explody boys right?

also sry for barging in

[rapid forum]

yes

nah it's cool

you can stay

[brisk trail]

tbh the way you guys were talking was scary XD

[high island]

It's an open channel. Barge in any time you like.

Intimidating because we were talking about getting sub 7 and sub 9 and stuff?

[brisk trail]

yep yep

brb gotta go eat fast

[rapid forum]

I still haven't achieved sub 10

I think I can

but with eris

[hollow hawk]

go for it

i can link some general info if you wanna get started

Its a lot of fun, speedrunning gave me something to do in the game other than just trying out funky builds

[high island]

Sub 10 with anything but the fastest aspects can take a lot of practice.

Eris is pretty much #1 at going fast.

[hollow hawk]

chiron is #2

[rapid forum]

I mean all I need is practice

[hollow hawk]

(that was a joke, chiron is the 2nd fastest aspect on the boards, but it isn't good for beginners, or even most experienced players for that matter)

[rapid forum]

I know the fundamentals

[hollow hawk]

do special, kill enemy, go to next room

[rapid forum]

also chiron is my fav

[hollow hawk]

also dash into enemy a lot

[rapid forum]

but I am confident I can't do sub 10 with it

[hollow hawk]

yeah

[rapid forum]

there's this certain positioning you have to be with chiron

[hollow hawk]

Going fast with chiron is extremely hard

[rapid forum]

and my monke brain can't handle it

if you're too close, the arrows will circle around the enemy and potentially hit the walls

if you're too far, the arrows won't hit

[brisk trail]

Can I ask what is all this sub 10 and 2 you guys are talking about?

[rapid forum]

speedrunning

or in my case, getting new personal best time

[brisk trail]

ahhh I see

and eris and chiron?

[rapid forum]

weapon aspects

eris from adamant rail, chiron from bow

[brisk trail]

....man I played so much with the hidden aspects I forgot there are others XD

[rapid forum]

lmao

it do be like that

hidden aspects are awesome

[brisk trail]

especially adamant rail and sword

arthur got me through at least 3 attempts in a row

[rapid forum]

I can't play arthur

[brisk trail]

how so?

for me the one that I can't play is the spear

ESPECIALLY with the hidden aspect

only used it to get myself killed faster and get certain conversations faster xd

[rapid forum]

it's SLOOOOOW

can't handle slow stuffs

I mean sure

the special can slow down enemies

still can't handle it

spear is fun

especially achilles

[brisk trail]

gotta back it up with dodge AOEs, preferably Dionysus's, Doom for special, Deflect for attack, Ice beam for cast and if you really wanna go all the way out, the seeking arrows
Only managed to bring it togather once, but man does it work

Also I am a dodgey boy, so it works well for me xd

[rapid forum]

athena on attack

hmmmmmmmm

that might work

but I simp for my goddess Artemis

[brisk trail]

me too

all time favourite out of the Greek pantheon

[hollow hawk]

are y'all talking about guan yu builds

Because if so, you need charged skewer hammer on it, and aphro special

[rapid forum]

nah it was for arthur

[hollow hawk]

with arty attack to go for heartrend

oh

[rapid forum]

I mean I need more build recommend anyway

[brisk trail]

using the special, you can easily send projectiles back to the deliverer

tbh athena is most useful for either attack or dodge if you ask me

unless you use your bow

then only for dodge xd

[high island]

Sub 10 as in sub 10 minutes in-game time to finish a run.

[brisk trail]

ohhhh

yeah not gonna happen XD

especially that now I use the more enemy pact of punishment

[low jay]

When you have only sub 10 minutes on your breaktime

[rapid forum]

gotta go fast

[brisk trail]

AOE for the win

[rapid forum]

zeus on eris

jolted

[low jay]

Is there any tricks using keyboard controls my fingers can't catch up

[hollow hawk]

Well you can always turn it off and take something else to get a sub 10

[high island]

My PBs are 7:42 IGT and 14:35 RTA.

[hollow hawk]

remap your special to right click

[brisk trail]

nah I don't liek to hurry

[hollow hawk]

And cast to lshift imo

[low jay]

Btw if you turn on hell mode is it going to appear on victory screen?

[hollow hawk]

@high island did you see? Medic beat your record

But he didnt thank shade or listen to aphro dialogue

[high island]

I saw, yes.

[hollow hawk]

So idk if it counts

[high island]

Obviously doesn't.

[hollow hawk]

technically yes

[brisk trail]

btw question: What are the chances to get the Asterius fight?

[hollow hawk]

Since hell mode adds a additional pact of punishment which isnt visible in normal mode

[low jay]

I see but where should I put cast tho? Shift?

[brisk trail]

like, is he a fight that you can always get?

[hollow hawk]

50% on any miniboss door in elysium

[brisk trail]

huh, I see

[hollow hawk]

lshift as i said above, yeah

[low jay]

Thanks a lot.

[brisk trail]

need that last hidden aspect, and he is hiding it

[high island]

50% if you don't skip miniboss, yeah.

[low jay]

How can you unlock the hidden aspect?

[hollow hawk]

check pins in #h1-story-discussion

[high island]

There are two minibosses in Elysium, and you won't know which one is Asterius until you enter.

[brisk trail]

sadly

btw am I the only one who thinks that Robin Hood, or maybe Attila would have been a better choice for the bow hidden aspect? Since most of them are used by human heroes (besides lucifer)

[rapid forum]

cause Robin Hood sucks

[brisk trail]

which version?

[rapid forum]

yes

[brisk trail]

Hey, the fox and the Russel Crowe ones are good

[rapid forum]

prob cause most of them are known for wrecker of things

Robin Hood is just a pleb that steals

[brisk trail]

hmmm, then Attila would have been perfect, wrecked half of Europe

[rapid forum]

I agree on Attila tho

[brisk trail]

would love to hear Zagreus's reaction to the Scurge of God title xd

tbh I could listen to him all day

[hollow hawk]

well technically the bow of rama was used by a human

A god in human form, no less, but still

[brisk trail]

yeah, but Arthur was no god

[hollow hawk]

wasn't beo considered half god?

I don't know much about norse mythology so idk

But still, lucifer exists

[brisk trail]

I think he was simply the incredibly powerful human warrior type

[hollow hawk]

Their main focus on hidden aspects was to get a hero from every culture

I think its nice to get a hero from asian culture

[brisk trail]

"Epic heroes, at least in the Homeric tradition, are often demigods -- or part god. Beowulf, unlike Hercules or Achilles, is not portrayed as having a god for a biological parent, although he is regularly referred to as having God's blessing or favor." what I found

[hollow hawk]

China may be there, but hinduism still has a much different culture

[brisk trail]

Shiva's Fist for the Gaunlets would have been more fitting

not that I mind Gilgamesh

[hollow hawk]

shiva used fists?

I've always known him for his trident

plus, shiva is a god

[brisk trail]

Well he is the god of destruction, so the fist would fit him, but I admit my hindu myth knowledge is very weak at best

[hollow hawk]

what weapon did arjun use again? A bow right?

no shiva didnt use fists then lol @brisk trail

im hindu myself

[brisk trail]

ah, sry

and now that I think about it, Attila used a sword too, so the bow would only be a connection to him being a hun

sadly we didn't really have much heroes like Heracles, ect in hungarian myths

we have Attila, Botond, Paul Kinizsi

sry I tend to ramble a lot

how do I unlock excalibur and beowulf the most OP weapons in game

eris is overrated

have to talk to Nyx and Chaos

I have to fill up their hearts ?

[cerulean ferry]

Check the pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[brisk trail]

or yeah, you can check it there too

such a hassle ...

but its worth it

[half zephyr]

how is eris overrated?

[brisk trail]

never tried eris

[half zephyr]

it's a great aspect

favored by speedrunners

[brisk trail]

it's cause of speedrunners they look down on us thinking speed is everything while I rather have a hard hitting weapon like excalibur even if it's slow and enjoy the game more

[half zephyr]

arthur is fun too

but that doesn't mean eris is overrated

[brisk trail]

each for their own

[half zephyr]

eris is powerful & you don't have to rush it to make it work..

[brisk trail]

I too never understood why you wanna go through a game fast instead of enjoy it, but thats what they wanna do

I don't think anyone is looking down on you...

[brisk trail]

not really, I disagree with you
it requires a specific muscle memory

[half zephyr]

I spend around the same time playing eris as I do arthur unless I have the heat timer on

[brisk trail]

I mean, Lucifer is a fave of mine, yet it ain't exactly a speedy boy

[half zephyr]

bu wha huh

it's fire off a special & then do something else after

[brisk trail]

that's the problem

[half zephyr]

you can just dash into the special - you don't have to aim at yourself

[brisk trail]

I dont know why you're so defensive about it

[half zephyr]

I'm not, I'm just confused

[brisk trail]

let's not argue guys

[half zephyr]

we were arguing?

[brisk trail]

it is headed that way yeah

I want to play this game casually I'm sure a lot of other people do as well

for a few days before it gets boring

having to remember exactly what buttons to use is an immense task

it's not fun at that point you've done it so much you're insensitive towards it

why not just agree that guan yu sucks?:

[half zephyr]

I play casually too tho..

[brisk trail]

but that's a 2nd job and very grindy

most of the time when I play I just button mash dash and attack that's it

[half zephyr]

and what confused me was just you saying you have to have a specific muscle memory for eris, when I'm pretty sure it's the same for arthur

[brisk trail]

you are not alone

[half zephyr]

you stand in the special with arthur too..

[brisk trail]

I dont even bother using my special or cast it's very hard to aim when you're dodging

[half zephyr]

that's why I got confused

my usual play is just dash & dash-strike with the occasional special thrown in (and maybe the cast if I remember it)

[lyric wharf]

There were a small update for Hades on Switch, anyone knows what it is for ?

[half zephyr]

and regular attack when dash is on cooldown I guess

[lyric wharf]

I haven't played for a while so maybe that's old.

[half zephyr]

prolly one of the updates mentioned in #hades-patch-notes

[lyric wharf]

Oh thank you, I checked announcements but found nothing that's why I asked here.

[half zephyr]

there's been a few patches that haven't made it to switch yet =w=

[brisk trail]

do you time them perfectly for example
dash 0.2 sec later dash then 1.2 sec later dash dash

or do you just spam dash

[half zephyr]

how do you time dashes

[brisk trail]

tho why would you play it on switch xd

[dusky wedge]

Just spam, that’s how most people do it

[half zephyr]

cuz I have it on switch?

[brisk trail]

fair enough

[dusky wedge]

Even me and most of everyone else

[brisk trail]

I see I thought I was doing it wrong

[half zephyr]

I'd say that's a pretty good reason to play on switch

[brisk trail]

cause for example 4 dashes requires 4 button inputs at max
I probably do like 10

[half zephyr]

I think the only time I've "timed" dashes is when dodging theseus

or dodging out of daddys swing attack

[brisk trail]

or daddy's wave attack

[half zephyr]

but that's more desperate button mashing then timing anything

[lyric wharf]

I haven't found anything for V1.37136.

[half zephyr]

then idk >.<

maybe it's got different name on switch

[dusky wedge]

That’s timing enemies attack, rather than specific timing for button presses, really

[half zephyr]

ye, I don't understand it when people get all technical in here & start talking about "timing dashes" & "iframes" & stuff

I just play game, mash buttons, have fun

[brisk trail]

but here's the thing

when it's almost impossible to time button presses perfectly

sometimes when you want to do

dash strike dash strike

instead you do *attack dash strike dash strike attack
or dash strike attack dash strike

it's not what you intended

[half zephyr]

huh

I don't understand

[brisk trail]

but it's what happens because you're not focused on timing the buttons

[half zephyr]

what does that mean

[lyric wharf]

Its fine, thank you still.

[half zephyr]

"sometimes when you want to do

dash strike dash strike

instead you do *attack dash strike dash strike attack
or dash strike attack dash strike"

do you mean you instead start with attack, then dash-strike 2 times then attack?
instead of just dash-strike 2 times?

[brisk trail]

yes

[dusky wedge]

I understand it, basically, mashing it can produce inconsistent results

[half zephyr]

isn't that normal tho since you run out of dashes & all

[brisk trail]

it's worse when you have to use your special from time to time

[half zephyr]

can't dash strike when you can't dash

[dusky wedge]

Especially when your thumbs are numb after all that mashing, happens to me sometimes

[brisk trail]

exactly

and in a game like hades where hp is limited and bosses hit like a truck

inconsistencies lead to death often

[half zephyr]

the end result is the same - they get hurt

[brisk trail]

for example when that hades guy does his spin attack if instead of dash strike I do a normal attack I take full damage

very inconvenient

[half zephyr]

you stand in the spin? o.o

[brisk trail]

fortunately sony is working on an ai that fixes this issue

even if you button mash ai will predict what you intended and "fix" this

[brisk trail]

yes I always dash towards him

it completely avoids all damage

[dusky wedge]

If you ask me, I don’t really care about it that seriously, usually I just press in between the space between the attack and dash buttons and walla, a dash strike happens

[half zephyr]

I dash away when he spins

[brisk trail]

it takes longer to dash out of the range

[half zephyr]

I can see when he does it & I'd rather not take dmg

even accidentally

[brisk trail]

I almost never take the extra dash boon from hermes
completely destroys my muscle memory

[half zephyr]

I tend to hit the special once in a while when I can't dash-strike cuz I mapped it so it's right next to my dash button

I can more easily swap between attack, dash-strike, dash, dash-special (when appleicable) & special

just by mashing the same 3 buttons

the cast is the odd one out that almost never gets used

poor X

[brisk trail]

I tend to forget I have cast XD

you play on controller ?

and I accidently right click and go like "woooooow"

[half zephyr]

I'm pretty sure I said I play on Switch

[brisk trail]

explains actually
controllers always have it easier

[half zephyr]

that depends too

[brisk trail]

they have the aimbot privilege

[half zephyr]

if you're used to kbm

then kbm is better then controller a lot of times

[brisk trail]

iirc the current world record is held by controller user

[dusky wedge]

Aren’t aimbots only for the ranged weapons?

[half zephyr]

the only games I'm used to playing w kb & kbm is Isaac & plague inc

ye

auto aim is for ranged

[brisk trail]

the only thing that's supposed to better about mouse and keyboard is the aiming

which in 2d games like hades really sucks anyway

controller lets you move in infinite directions

m&k only 8 at max

less precision

[half zephyr]

I'm very good tho

I manage to miss with auto aim

it takes skill

[brisk trail]

so while controller gets the aimbot to fill the aiming gap

m&k doesn't really solve the aiming issue or the less precise movement

[half zephyr]

so get a controller?

[brisk trail]

I'd say m&k users are discriminated against but PC was never a casual gaming platform anyway

[half zephyr]

...

[brisk trail]

cause mouse while giving you more manual aim and precision it also leads to more errors and has steeper learning curve

[dusky wedge]

What can you suggest to make the aim better on KBM then?

[brisk trail]

complete autoaim or lockon

it's really needed for this game

I've missed my casts so many times

[half zephyr]

same

but I don't think we have complete auto aim on switch either..

or lockon

[brisk trail]

have an option that when you press the button it locks onto the nearest enemy

a lot of soulborne games have that

[dusky wedge]

I think I usually missed my casts as well, unless I really take the time to aim or shot it point blank

[half zephyr]

mhmmm

[brisk trail]

wasted potential tbh

casts could be fun to use

[half zephyr]

guh I missed so many casts against tisiphone last time I saw her!

[brisk trail]

and if this was a slow game there would be no problem but this is like fast

and you aren't really aiming you are circulating around an area

3d games are a different league

[dusky wedge]

Me missing my casts on Lernie

[half zephyr]

I've done that too..

the worst is when they end up behind in the magma..

and you can't collect

[unborn remnant]

we gaming

[brisk trail]

why can't you collect?

[olive smelt]

Goodmorningg

[high island]

Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames, either way. You'll want to empty-dash to i-frame spins.

[half zephyr]

cuz it's so far away in the magma it'd hurt to try

so I have to wait for them to come back to me

this is why I prefer stygian over infernal

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/835915505323868180/Screenshot_186.png

I started a new save and i already made it to hades first try

[cerulean ferry]

Oh wow nice

[heavy hound]

That’s pretty impressive

For a fresh file

[signal aspen]

ty

[chilly hawk]

question, for the "harsh conditions" mission, do i have to beat hades with the conditions? question also applies to the dark conditions for the mirror mission.

[heavy hound]

You can divide them up if you want

You don’t have to do all of them at the same time

[chilly hawk]

yeah i figured so, i'm just verifying i have to actually beat hades with each of them, correct? i can't just do part of a run?

[heavy hound]

Yes

You have to beat hades

[olive smelt]

I don't like theseus 🥲

Or however his name is spelled lol

[half zephyr]

Got it right

I love Theseus

His laugh makes me laugh

[signal aspen]

I died

its really hard to dodge things with one dash

[rare gust]

Hmm

What if I went and got 500 HP

[signal aspen]

500 is possible

[rare gust]

Then what is impossible?

[signal aspen]

1000 hp probably

haelian got 900 hp

[rare gust]

I definitely think it can be achieved, with Vintage and Life Affirmation

Oh cool he's done it?

[signal aspen]

almost

i think he got 920 or 930

[tight cave]

920, thanks to the darkness from the final fight.

[dusky wedge]

Ugh, my clear time has consistently been 12min something these days, never going any lower than that for now

Getting that sub 10min is so much harder than I thought I guess

[signal aspen]

What are your builds like?

[dusky wedge]

Merciful End Talos

[signal aspen]

What is your mirror like?

[dusky wedge]

Don’t tell me Eris is the only way to go

[signal aspen]

Eris is the best for speedrunning

[dusky wedge]

Everything is red except for Family Favorite, Dark Foresight and Fated Persuasion for my mirror

[signal aspen]

You should probably switch to aspect of dem and turn the first mirror upgrade to yellow

Also switch to stygian soul

And high confidence if you want to

[high island]

Speedrun Starter Kit.
https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU
https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guides
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/generic-information/

[dusky wedge]

Ahh, thanks guys!

[high island]

Wut? Fiery Presence on Malphon? Can't agree with that at all.

[dusky wedge]

And yeah, probably should start trying Dem aspect too

[high island]

m not a guy.

[signal aspen]

I feel like if you get a giga cutter you can one shot a full health enemy

[high island]

Talos can get sub 10 just fine.

[signal aspen]

Idk I don't speedrun with dem

[dusky wedge]

Whoops sorry lmao

[signal aspen]

Or any weapon that is not eris

[high island]

Fiery Presence only applies to the first hit of your Gigacutter. Backstab can apply to all of them.

[signal aspen]

Oh yeah

Monke brain

[tight cave]

Funny how Eris rail skews your idea of a slow run. Like, I just had a 14-minute run and that’s slow for me

[signal aspen]

That's because it is slow

[tight cave]

My PB prior to switching to Eris was much slower.

[high island]

That's not slow at all.

[dull niche]

late but i like fiery on fists a lot so that dash uppers can one shot things in tart

shadow is ofc good for what nyaanyaa said but fiery isnt bad either

[half zephyr]

that made me do a double take before I figured out you meant shadow presence

or whatever the full name of the mirror talent was again

[rare gust]

Watch me commit a crime against humanity

I'm going to turn off the music to Hades

[olive smelt]

:0

How dare you

[stiff musk]

do not speak again

[chilly sonnet]

https://imgur.com/a/gtR9s3c

Round 2 baby let’s go

Ok so uh quick question

I’m at my last life down to 35 health

If I close the game and then reopen can I try again?

Since it autosaves?

[wind cargo]

no thatll put you back in the house. i tried to do that multiple times after i kept forgetting to give someone ||ambroisa ||before accepting their boon

[narrow hemlock]

not entirely correct. the game autosaves after every chamber but you need to make sure on the menu screen you dont choose to forfeit your run. quitting the game and quitting the run are two different things

[chilly sonnet]

I closed the game and opened again and I was back in the house

[wind cargo]

yeah, closing the game from the menu will allow you to play from the most recent save, but it wont allow you to retry a room. alt-f4 will send you straight back to the house

[narrow hemlock]

you cant retry a room because the autosave happens after you clear it

you can most certainly quit midrun though, i have plenty of times

the game is very picky about how you exit

im p sure though if a chamber is going badly for you and you exit before clear/autosave it will treat it as a forfeited run

if a run is going badly you may as well just suicide it if you dont want to continue, that way you keep the resources you gained, rather than lose them

[narrow hemlock]

@brisk trail keep it clean please

[brisk trail]

im sorry

[brisk trail]

i'm very sorry

[craggy barn]

apparently it's good for tart enemies, particularly witches

[chilly sonnet]

So I’m getting better at the final boss but I’m kinda scared because I feel like I can only get this far with my spear build and once I try to beat the game with other weapons/aspects I won’t be able to lmao

[craggy barn]

does it have flurry jab?

[chilly sonnet]

No

I use zag aspect vartha and just pray for the ||demeter|| cast boon and then just invest everything into my special and the crystals

That way I can fight at a distance with crystals doing a ton of damage and picking away at enemies with the special

[craggy barn]

exploding launcher is arguably your best choice for hammer in that case

then charged skewer because exploding launcher's base dps is honestly not that great

[chilly sonnet]

I usually try to get exploding launcher but if not I just settle for the normal special

I mean I guess with my playstyle i could do well with the bow but also I’m 100% carried by the ice crystals

Ill probably rely less on them when I get better but this game is really hard lmao

Honestly though the last two bosses are the only roadblocks for me, the rest of the game hasn’t been too hard but ||Theseus and Hades|| are what prevent me from getting through

[rapid forum]

Rng was kind to me just now

Rocket shotgun arty

Sub 16 with EM4

[craggy barn]

cluster rockets

[rapid forum]

[chilly sonnet]

Do the different weapon aspects give you a titan blood or do you only get one per weapon?

[half zephyr]

2 pr weapon pr heat lvl

Up until heat 20

[hollow hawk]

nope

aspects dont

only two titan blood per weapon, as shadow said above

one blood from first boss, and second from final boss

[craggy barn]

technically 3 if you trade ambrosia

[sinful reef]

I lost my ambrosia that way

[hollow hawk]

well it isnt lost

just trading

id recommend trading it early on

getting your weapon aspects levelled up can be a huge boost and you wont need ambrosia for a while after your first clear anyway

[sinful reef]

I would have rather had ambrosia at that point

[craggy barn]

try not to trade off more ambrosia than necessary

you're still gonna need it later... obviously

[clear oasis]

i dont know how to make the gun work

[manic moat]

try zeus attac

[rapid forum]

one gif to explain how to make gun work

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[livid mist]

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Im new

I joined like 1 minute ago

whats up

[rapid forum]

the ceiling

ba dum tssss

but hello

[livid mist]

hi

:))

[manic moat]

hell

hello

[livid mist]

im new to hades

i bought it 2 weeks ago

ive only killed hades 4 times so far

2 times with coronacht (is that how you spell it?), 1 with exagryph (again is that how you spell it?) and 1 with Malfon

[clear oasis]

lmao you spelled the first two right and then the one you didn't ask is malphon

[livid mist]

LOL

all the names are different in spanish

[clear oasis]

oh cool what are they?

[livid mist]

Coronacto, Exagrifo and Malfon

[clear oasis]

that's cool

[livid mist]

Aegis is Égida

And Varatha is Varatea (pronounced Va-ra-teh-ah)

[clear oasis]

that makes sense, the words were all originally greek and would have been translated into latin

which would have taken a different route to modern romance languages vs english

[low jay]

[livid mist]

yeah everything is different

Poseidon --> Poseidón

Artemis --> Artemisa

Dionysus --> Dioniso

etc

[craggy barn]

another day, another steam discussions take

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/836179565704773652/unknown.png

[dusky wedge]

me, playing on a Switch

[low jay]

Punish for what? Trying harder?

[dusky wedge]

Being sweaty I guess lol

[craggy barn]

dude thinks it's bad that there aren't steam achievements for difficult accomplishments, which is perfectly reasonable, and then brings up how the lack of dummy hard achievements is punishing the people who go out of their way to do that sort of stuff

[dusky wedge]

Most of the time, I see this achievement argument are from people who aren’t able to get them

[craggy barn]

somehow he's convinced that the fact that there's no steam achievement for clearing say, 40 heat, is punishing me

[low jay]

I think you don't need achievement as long as you're enjoying the game

[dusky wedge]

That’s all fine and dandy, until people start complaining about having super hard achievements as well. I’ve participated in debates on both ends of the spectrum

[brisk trail]

people care about achievements ? lol

[dusky wedge]

Of course at the end of the day though, everything that matters is this

“Fun is optional, achievements are forever”

[low jay]

Yah

Now I need achievements too

[rapid forum]

doubt I'd 100% hades if there was an achievement for 40 heats

[unkempt sleet]

There's still the 32 heat statue

That counts as an achievement I guess

[rapid forum]

I mean it is

if you're doing 100% convo

which is a bitter win for me

cause I don't have any voice lines left

;-;

[half zephyr]

I don’t get achievements

[high island]

I think your continuously making fun of Hades discussions on Steam is in bad taste tbh.

They're Hades fans just like anyone here.

[livid mist]

if apollo gave you boons in hades

what would his icon be

a sun or a lyre

id prefer a lyre

i think it represents him better

[clear oasis]

a lyre that's also a bow

[livid mist]

huh

i mean he would have one

but as his boon icon?

after all artemis already has a bow

[clear oasis]

the bow is as much apollo's as it is artemis's

you can just turn the bow upside down

and it makes the bottom of a lyre

[livid mist]

haha nice

i know but

[clear oasis]

then when you put the strings in just have them poke out the other end as arrows

[livid mist]

when you compare them

[clear oasis]

tada lyre bow

[livid mist]

its a bow-lyre against... a bow

and that makes artemis's icon look worse

imo

[clear oasis]

nah it looks good

the thing i described would be too bloated lmao

[livid mist]

true

[clear oasis]

and that's why it's good we don't have apollo

[livid mist]

bit too much

[clear oasis]

hes too much

[livid mist]

only for that, really?

he could focus on just healing tbh

[clear oasis]

he's just too much in general

[livid mist]

healing, music, poetry, the sun, arts, beauty, archery

[tight cave]

Pick a lane and commit, m'dude.

[clear oasis]

ok but gameplay wise healing would ruin the design balance

[clear oasis]

dude ikr

[livid mist]

maybe

[clear oasis]

apollo got his fingers in every single pie

[livid mist]

but maybe something like "every time you kill an enemy, you heal 1 HP"

[clear oasis]

that's broken

[livid mist]

i mean its the most balanced it can be

[clear oasis]

not as balanced as not having a free cheat boon

[livid mist]

or that his call makes you regenerate life for, idk, 1.2 seconds

and max bar bonus makes it 9 seconds

[clear oasis]

that kinda ruins the whole point of the roguelike

[livid mist]

which yea would be busted

[clear oasis]

you'd have to come up with a whole set of boons, not just one call and one passive

[livid mist]

you can have up to 4 revives and refill all of them in at least 3 ways

so healing is not that crazy

[tight cave]

Maybe give enemies a small chance to drop healing items at all times, like a permanent weaker Eye of Lamia?

[livid mist]

healing items are usually very cheap

both in charon's thing (idk the name) and his shop

[clear oasis]

yeah but it still costs resources and is rng

[livid mist]

that could work too

[clear oasis]

if you had consistent healing in every room

well that's literally guan yu

[livid mist]

lol

idk what guan yu does

[clear oasis]

or that sword hammer upgrade which reduces your hp to 60%

it makes a donut in the air which heals you for 1hp every time it slaps a guy

[livid mist]

how about: every time you complete a room without getting hit, you heal 5 HP

that could work

completing a fight without getting hit is not so easy

[clear oasis]

if you could take the room without taking damage you wouldnt need the heal

[livid mist]

what if you had taken damage before

you enter room 1, get hit, go to room 2, complete without getting hit, and heal

this way it rewards skill

and somehow compensate

you dont get hit now, you get your HP back

idk

and what kind of effect would apollo have on attacks?

maybe he wouldnt have one, like hermes?

idk

[stiff musk]

skelly is a chthonic god

no i will not elaborate

[livid mist]

LOL

dont go further

i havent uncovered skelly's lore

[stiff musk]

i havent either

[livid mist]

lmao

artemis is one of my favorite goddesses as well

[stiff musk]

this is a good opinion

[brisk trail]

does anyone know more games like hades

cause i finished the game multiple now I dont feel like playing anymore but the genre was fun

the style

[chilly sonnet]

Enter the Gungeon if you like shooters

[rigid crane]

I feel like most of my runs die on r1 or r3

It’s never r2 where I die

[half zephyr]

Hmm.. Binding of Isaac?
It’s a roguelike tho & according to some it can be a bit gory
I think it’s very fun

[brisk trail]

thanks

[brisk trail]

oh I got that for FREE on Epic Games Store

[chilly sonnet]

whats r1 and r3 mean

The r

[rigid crane]

Isn’t each floor called a realm or smth

Or am I wrong?

[rapid forum]

Most peeps call it biome

Or just use the name

[rigid crane]

Hmm

Ight, yea most of my runs die in Tartarus or Elysium

Kinda shocking how easily I can beat asphodel tho

[rapid forum]

On higher heats that is the case

Tartarus cause you barely have any boons, Elysium is a high wall to jump

[dusky wedge]

Dead Cells? Hyper Light Drifter? Both are good action games, they have that speedy combat feel Hades has

[brisk trail]

Do you want an isometric game? A roguelite? Something a little more on the artsy side?

[rigid crane]

I don’t rlly have a lot of heat, but I’m playing in hell mode so that might be a reason why

[chilly sonnet]

pretty much all of my runs die at either the elysium boss or styx boss\

[rigid crane]

Oddly enough, I rarely die at elysiums boss

It’s so weird

I find the boss so much easier then the actual biome

[grave lake]

Do you get the usual rewards after 20 heat or is it just darkness like before?

[brisk trail]

They are extreme easy if you have AOE boons

[rigid crane]

Rlly?

I just target the ||minotaur|| first

The other guy isn’t that big of a problem for me

He only kills me when he he is ||buffed by the gods||

[brisk trail]

AOE boons pretty much mean that you can just dodge around them, lob Festive Fog, ect

no need for a strategy XD

[chilly sonnet]

I honestly think elysium boss is harder than styx boss sometimes

Or at least Styx boss just feels a lot more fair

[brisk trail]

screw Styx

[rigid crane]

I’ve never fought styx boss so idk

[brisk trail]

and the satyrs

[rigid crane]

I died to a cultist

And haven’t gotten back there

[brisk trail]

which is the cultist?

[brisk trail]

btw managed to finish the main story yesterday 😄

[signal aspen]

nice

[rare hull]

Cultists are poison spitting bearded guys

[uncut dagger]

wait what

[signal aspen]

they are called satyr cultists but most people just called them satyrs

[uncut dagger]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

okay

[livid mist]

roguelike?

play Dead Cells, its crazy good

[livid mist]

hyper light drifter is not a roguelike my man...

[low jay]

Is there any way to be immune on poison I'm using Aspect of Talos?

[livid mist]

i dont think you can be immune to poison

[low jay]

How can I dodge it tho?

Melee kinda hard

[signal aspen]

by dashing through it

and if you are using talos just pull enemies close to you

[low jay]

Okay lemme try again then

[signal aspen]

and there are little things around the map that get rid of the poison if you are infected

[high island]

The Broken Spearpoint can help a lot if poison is a problem for you.

[low jay]

Is that skill of knuckle or spear?

[signal aspen]

thats a keepsake from patty

the guy in elysium

[low jay]

I see thanks

Maybe I should pick the add dash for now

[livid mist]

patty lol

[signal aspen]

bruh thats what everybody calls him

pat

or patty

[livid mist]

duh

i call him

patroclo

and go

[fierce swift]

I got Hades last evening and it's amazing

[signal aspen]

its a great game

also be careful in this channel, spoilers are allowed in here

[fierce swift]

Oh damn, thanks for the heads up

[livid mist]

yeahhh

[stiff musk]

#h1-for-new-players is spoiler-free

qnd

yeah

[livid mist]

after beating it the first time, it gets even better somehow

[stiff musk]

i have yet to beat it because i am very smart

[livid mist]

hehe

i beat it 4 times

i have just over 30 hours on it so far

[stiff musk]

i have 23 or smth

[livid mist]

2 times with bow, one with fists and one with gun

[livid mist]

cool

[stiff musk]

im obsessed with the gun

[high island]

I have 974.9 hours.

[signal aspen]

pathetic, i have 240

get gud

[livid mist]

i like the standard attack

but i hate the special

its painfully slow

[stiff musk]

i love the special

[livid mist]

and deals ridiculously low base damage

[signal aspen]

i agree

[stiff musk]

especially with the hammer that makes you do it three times in a row

[livid mist]

takes more than a second to impact i think so yea

[high island]

@signal aspen and how many WRs do you have, commoner?

[stiff musk]

bc i have lots of trouble with elysium and shieldoids

[livid mist]

the best hammer is the one that turns it into a missile

much faster and reliable

[signal aspen]

too many to count

[stiff musk]

theres a missile

[livid mist]

yes

[high island]

It's hard to count to 0, 'tis true. Where do you even begin?

[livid mist]

basically turns special into a straight-line projectile

its much better

[stiff musk]

idk

i like the triple bomb bc you can fire it behind shields

[signal aspen]

idk i count in chinese

[livid mist]

cool

[high island]

You can reload while using your Special, so most of the time I do reload + Special at the same time.

[livid mist]

i once had missile + triple bomb

[stiff musk]

this too

[high island]

There's nothing else to do while you reload to do damage anyway.

[livid mist]

yeah usually i do that

[high island]

You can also Cast + Reload to apply Boiling Blood if necessary.

[livid mist]

or keep some enemies in check while i shoot others

boiling blood

what does it do

how do you get it

[stiff musk]

its mirror

[signal aspen]

its a mirror upgrade

[stiff musk]

i dont remember what it does

[livid mist]

hades applies it to me and makes me take 200% damage haha pain

[signal aspen]

makes enemies take extra damage

[livid mist]

bruh

when hades applies boiling blood

spinning attack deals 80 damage

its plain dumb

[signal aspen]

dont get hit

hypnos gave me that advice

[livid mist]

nice tip

[stiff musk]

nice tip

[livid mist]

hypnos mustve been created specifically to be an idiot

like

yknow the word

[signal aspen]

dont say that about my best friend

[stiff musk]

the sleep twink

[livid mist]

im pretty sure its banned

starts with a

and ends with -hole

so yea hypnos is very irritating

[rigid crane]

Hypno is sleepy boi

[livid mist]

yes

fellow kirby 🤝

[high island]

Hypnos is great and gives great tips. 💕

[livid mist]

oh yes

amazing tips

[brisk trail]

Hypnos is the funniest character in the entire game.

[livid mist]

hm

[signal aspen]

bouldy makes jokes that i always laugh at

[brisk trail]

With riots like Bouldy and Orpheus, that's saying something.

[livid mist]

honestly yea but tbf there arent really "funny" characters

the funny situations are usually caused by the narrator-Zagreus conversations imo

[signal aspen]

jokes were not invented until 1939

[brisk trail]

I can't think of a single Hypnos interaction that isn't played for laughs.

[livid mist]

b r uh

unrelated but i absolutely love the one shade that cheers you up in the elyseum colosseum

its sooooo cute

[signal aspen]

bruh they just kinda stand there

[rigid crane]

Why is the elyseum boss easier then elyseum itself

It makes no sence

[high island]

I can think of one or two.

[livid mist]

take that back

[rigid crane]

Sense

I can easily beat the 2 people

[chilly sonnet]

skelly

[rigid crane]

But it’s getting there that’s the hard part

[livid mist]

theseus is a pain the as s

[rigid crane]

Ok

[livid mist]

boyo

[rigid crane]

Phase 2 Theseus: yes

Phase 2 is a pain depending on the god

[high island]

Well, if you get to the boss, you also probably have a stronger build since you had a build that helped you make it through Elysium.

[rigid crane]

I only die to the boss at phase 2

[chilly sonnet]

theseus is the worst boss in the game

[rigid crane]

Never at phase 1

It’s just to hard to avoid the gods attacks

[chilly sonnet]

theseus/asterius need to be nerfed

[livid mist]

yeah

[rigid crane]

Eh

[high island]

He doesn't have his shield up at all at the beginning of phase 2, so you can rush him down easily if you have the damage.

[livid mist]

hades phase 2 is also wicked

[chilly sonnet]

just like cut their health or something theyre way too tanky to have to fight both of them

[signal aspen]

hades phase 2 is easier than phase 1

[rigid crane]

Thesues + Athena is pain for me

I can’t deal with it

[livid mist]

doom and hangover made theseus fights easier for me

[chilly sonnet]

i keep hearing this but ill wail on him the entire time of phase two and his shield is always up

[signal aspen]

the beginning

[brisk trail]

When he's using the opening Call.

[rigid crane]

But still

[livid mist]

first seconds

[chilly sonnet]

i still dont know how to deal with the laser attack other than that its not too bad

[livid mist]

when hes calling on a god

[signal aspen]

just hide behind the rocks

[rigid crane]

That won’t give u enough time to kill him

[livid mist]

you can hide behind some rocks

[brisk trail]

It is.

[high island]

I think the Theseus & Asterius fight is very well balanced. You just need a bit more practice, maybe rethink your strategies and your builds.

[chilly sonnet]

Or maybe i'll just dash into him, havent tried that yet

[livid mist]

... what

we talking about hades fight

[rigid crane]

Wait nvm

[brisk trail]

Takes a lot to kill him before he picks his shield back up, but you can.

[rigid crane]

Froget what I said

[chilly sonnet]

its hard to really rethink a build when its random lmao

[signal aspen]

use god keepsakes to get the boons you need for your build

[chilly sonnet]

still doesnt guarantee anything

[livid mist]

i start the run with the keepsake that gives you extra coins, i think its hypnos'

[high island]

Builds aren't entirely random, though. There's just a lot to learn for you still for how to get good builds consistently.

[livid mist]

then swap to chaos'

and in styx i use skelly's

[signal aspen]

if you use athenas keepsake then she will show up