Aspect of dem can get some extremely high numbers, if you get artemis special and a bunch of duos you can get 5k
#h1-discussion
modern garnet
Also its funny to imagine the old lady with brass knuckles
rare gust
I think she wasn't as old back then
I mean, we know they killed the titans forever ago, but exactly how long ago? I don't know
half zephyr
velvet veldt
Hello,
I'm new here and sorry for my english. I would like to say I discovered Hades not so long ago and this is probably the best game I have ever played so far ❤️ This is so addictive and very fun, I really love the art and the design of the game.
I hope that you will continue to update the game and add new contents (I haven't finish the game at all, I just beat the second boss YAAAS) but if this game have DLC or even more that would be dope! I can't believe I played this for 10 hours straight and I haven't noticed it! Huge congratz to the Supergiant Team, this game is f****** awesome ❤️ Sorry for the ranting :p
narrow hemlock
no need to apologize, we love to see these sentiments 
(though use of swears, even censored, isn't allowed for future reference!)
warped iron
tidal scarab
Oh man, that 2hp per hit daedalus hammer is something else. I almost beat Hades for the first time because of it.
modern garnet
health per hit is strongg
but uh, it's certainly better in certain builds than others
craggy barn
cursed slash is only good with flurry slash
rare gust
Okay this was a painful way to learn
I just learnt that Aspect of Guan Yu's spin attack HEALS
I thought the health reduction was imbalanced, and no where was it stated it healed you
Actually nevermind I might just be stupid but still
uncut dagger
I kinda wanted to check but I'm in the middle of a run up to the 2nd region so I can't afford to lose that one
pretty sure that's in there though
cursive cradle
ummmm what does fish do?
uncut dagger
||you can sell the fish to the Head Chef to get gems, keys, nectar, diamonds, titan blood, or ambrosia||
cursive cradle
thnx
uncut dagger
no prob
cursive cradle
how do you feel about crystal beam?
cursive cradle
yeah im using it now because it was imo the better choice... maybe if I had more casts or something?
uncut dagger
||the duo Demeter Artemis boon makes it WAY better||
cursive cradle
lol forgot how to hit spoilers. but idk that one
rare gust
Crystal Clarity
uncut dagger
||it's called Crystal Clarity||
rare gust
Makes it a sentry that aims pretty fast
cursive cradle
i meant syntax lol
but sounds nice
||there was one that i absolutely loved. i think it was a duo with Poseidon, and it was an aoe pulse. didnt get far but really fun||
craggy barn
Actually nevermind I might just be stupid but still
i mean it's not exactly worth using unless you have quick spin anyways
uncut dagger
||there was one that i absolutely loved. i think it was a duo with Poseidon, and...
||oh that's the duo Poseidon + Ares||
radiant heart
Any bow mains here? 
cursive cradle
is the swap random upgrade for +2 worth?
uncut dagger
it's a gamble whether it's worth it or not
cursive cradle
and no. no one plays bow hahaha. actually idk im just joking
uncut dagger
actually my least favorite weapon is ||Exagryph||
||like, come on, I gotta stand there? That's gonna leave me open to every single kind of attack ever||
cursive cradle
||I have special is a rocket, and special does +80% and +68%. imma keep this set up||
uncut dagger
||this is why I main Aegis, the Bull Rush always keeps you moving||
uncut dagger
||I have special is a rocket, and special does +80% and +68%. imma keep this set...
that's damn good
cursive cradle
i main whatever weapon gives the buff... lol
uncut dagger
heh
same
well, kinda same
obviously not the same because I just explained why I don't main one but yeah
cursive cradle
i dont use bow though, its awk for me
uncut dagger
at least it's fast with the shots
cursive cradle
yeah kind of
uncut dagger
||this is why I hate Exagryph is too dang slow||
hollow hawk
Eris aspect of the rail is the fastest weapon in the game lol
you can still keep moving with the rail with your dashes
uncut dagger
yeah but that's kinda awkward
cursive cradle
||this is why I hate Exagryph is too dang slow||
thats my fav. i actually dont even use basic attack, just spam special
hollow hawk
Not really awkward
uncut dagger
I can't move everywhere I have to move only in dashes
I don't have 100% control
it's all or nothing
hollow hawk
Then you must hate every weapon that isnt shield
cursive cradle
i havnt used shield in a min
hollow hawk
Because no other weapon allows you to move outside of dashes, except like achilles spead
Spear*
uncut dagger
||well with Exagryph you plant your feet solely on the ground and shoot||
cursive cradle
||well with Exagryph you plant your feet solely on the ground and shoot||
naw, dash around and build around special.
hollow hawk
In fact, your attack does more dps when dash striking
uncut dagger
eh, I dunno
hollow hawk
Flurry fire, delta chamber, and zag rail exist
Yeah
Exactly
Just special on enemies when you're reloading
uncut dagger
it still sucks when you have the issue and have to wait for it to fix itself though
man I am not good at formulating my opinions
uncut dagger
Just special on enemies when you're reloading
the bomb also moves too slow and I am terrible at setting that up
actually I should say, with ||Exagryph|| I main the Aspect of ||Lucifer|| so keep that one in mind
woven nacelle
uncut dagger
fair
not the underrated thing since I don't keep in touch with the community that much to know
cursive cradle
oh i just got a 0 heat win yay
cursive cradle
actually my fav: ||the basic sword with the lifesteal upgrade... sooo good||
tardy vessel
That sounds rare. Are you sure you don't just pass them by?
modern garnet
just bad luck i guess, i got one in chamber 1 of tartarus in the very next run
it's possible i missed a few but idk
cursive cradle
lol i have 3 chaos gates stacked
manic moat
as you should have
idle zenith
sup guys
what's the closest thing i can get to Supergiant's artbooks
seem like they dont make one at all, its kind of difficult to get full body artwork or conceptart for their characters
rare gust
i mean it's not exactly worth using unless you have quick spin anyways
I always find time to throw out a spin, quick or not. Seems the healing is a little below what I would consider useful, but it's fun nonetheless
I also have this to show for it
It was fun, pretty brutal too
If you chain the max spins you can rake up 3200 in one chain of attacks
stark prism
psa EM4 is SO SICK
hasty owl
hot damn
stark prism
did it for the first time just now and it's so cool ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
manic moat
the music in the ||third phase||
stark prism
RIGHT??????
sinful reef
I got my 100th run recently
Artemis Rama
My first win was bow
My first big milestone was bow
terse relic
Question: if you run into the Fallen Warrior mirrorless, does anything replace the Defiance items?
hollow hawk
No, im pretty sure they become greyed out or something
also he's better known as patty lol
Was confused for a second there about what you were asking
craggy barn
he just straight up doesn't offer it
manic moat
it would be pretty cool if you just straight up got 3 DDs right there and then
unborn remnant
Bouldy
terse relic
I’m not doing a mirrorless run any time soon, but I’ve been playing around with RI3 for my 32 Heat runs, and it got me thinking, is all.
heavy hound
dont do RI3 at 32
plz
You can check the pinned messages in #h1-high-heat-strategies for a 32 heat guide
dire dagger
is buying hammers and hermes boons usually a bad deal? considering there'll be a good chance of finding them later?
craggy barn
hammers are usually a bad deal, hermes is pretty decent since if you're buying a hermes boon you probably actually want something from him, since the game doesn't want you to get a boon from hermes quite as much as it wants you to get a hammer in tartarus and elysium
dire dagger
hm, but then maybe not if i have convenience fee on?
dire dagger
well 13, depends what you consider low, but from your nick prob yea :P
edgy bison
how in the hell do people use guan yu?
hoary roost
how in the hell do people use guan yu?
I think I upgraded it to level 4 before completing a run with it
craggy barn
how in the hell do people use guan yu?
charged skewer and also don't use it at lvl 1
edgy bison
coarse marten
I got aphro and artimis who else should I take for a cast build
signal aspen
what cast are you using?
coarse marten
aphro
coarse marten
oops forgot to metnions im using aspect of posiden
signal aspen
ok
coarse marten
also what artemis boon do you have?
only pressure points so far but im sitll in tartarus lol
coarse marten
yep thats what Im looking for but boon rng doesnt like me most runs
signal aspen
rip
and then if you get exit wounds you will be able to get fully loaded
+2 casts
coarse marten
yep
signal aspen
epic
coarse marten
thats the dream
signal aspen
but it wont happen
coarse marten
woooo blown kiss
signal aspen
artemis hates giving people her legendary
coarse marten
artemis hates giving people anything but her bonus dmg ot armor and bonus crit dmg
i swear thats all she gives
signal aspen
well my most picked up boon is support fire
uncut dagger
also all attacks do crit
signal aspen
well my most picked up boon is support fire
uncut dagger
I see that a lot
signal aspen
support fire is op
uncut dagger
well my most picked up boon is support fire
luckyyyyyyy
that's so OP
coarse marten
well my most picked up boon is support fire
I love it
support fire with the rail is just chef kiss
rail and support fire
i just did over 1k dmg with a single cast. I was literally in the first room of asphodel
uncut dagger
🤌
uncut dagger
i just did over 1k dmg with a single cast. I was literally in the first room of ...
dang
coarse marten
i mean it was a crit soooo
I already got chaos to giv me +1 cast so it doenst matter if arti wont gimme it
sturdy sphinx
Do the hammer upgrades on chiron's bow ever give you the +4 arrows and +3 damage for each arrow to special? Never seem to get both
uncut dagger
shoot I realized I'm trying to complete ||the Fated Order where you get all the Chaos Boons but I haven't visited Chaos in a really dang long time||
coarse marten
hermes whyyyyy
uncut dagger
what'd he do
coarse marten
gave me 10% attack speed 5 second cast drops and speed after dash :[
wait you cna get miniboss room -> charon -> boss bruh
well damn
I got -4 hp on attack
coarse marten
i mean its lernie but im kinda pissed. I got purple lernie but my athena is on my attack
craggy barn
hyper sprint is still good if it's your first boon from hermes
rush delivery brainrot 
coarse marten
I had like 3 different duo boons that I could have gotten all my core slots filled and the one that makes duos more likely. I GOT COMMON STRONGER WEAK AHHHH
coarse marten
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697458124260638750/834470017633878016/unk...
yoink it for a new aspect
aspect of the most annoying hero
modern garnet
aspect of holding 2 weapons at once, the cheater
coarse marten
exactly
sturdy sphinx
I had a run last night with the hermes hyper sprint and +2 dash and athena legendary null damage shield and was using evergreen acorn. I beat hades without even taking a tick of damage
I like the hyper sprint actually
coarse marten
personally the move speed randomly spiking is really weird feeling sao I hate using it
btw what is seeding?
modern garnet
i had a run last night with exclusive access and hermes gave me +40% move speed and hypersprint... i was moving sooo fast
coarse marten
i had a run last night with exclusive access and hermes gave me +40% move speed ...
exclusive access in tartarus is such a good feeling
modern garnet
it wasnt EA in tartarus, but it was before both hermes boons
I've never gotten EA tart
it's cool that when you wanna dodge an attack you just go see what the other side of the room is doing
coarse marten
epic exit wound wooo
sturdy sphinx
i had a run last night with exclusive access and hermes gave me +40% move speed ...
Yeah it definitely makes me step in lava a bit more than usual
coarse marten
Yeah it definitely makes me step in lava a bit more than usual
lava is the reason I run the reusable lives
i got a tier 3 keepsake, nectar, and the yarn from charon. if this boon aint all epics
high island
Nectar and Yarn don't stack, actually. They're used one after another.
coarse marten
oh intresting
native niche
there is any option to raise chance to get FLURRY ATTACK from hammer on any weapon for ex. bow? why is that so rare..
sturdy sphinx
Seems like hammers are random
modern garnet
If hammers were more reliable, runs would be less unique
native niche
10 run and any one flurry from 2x hammer on each run
native niche
If hammers were more reliable, runs would be less unique
ye i know.. but you know, 0 per 10 run? too unique 
sturdy sphinx
Do some options make other options not appear?
sturdy sphinx
Yeah that's what I was thinking
sturdy sphinx
Makes sense
Oh hmm it says concentrated volley and relentless volley aren't incompatible but I've yet to get them both
high island
You can get both, yeah.
sturdy sphinx
I'm waiting for that 😅
I've been running artemis special chiron and not even having good builds really and just blowing through the heats
One run I had two chaos gates that both gave ~+40% special damage
Total boss melter
lunar orchid
can you only have either fated authority or fated persuasion on one profile?
signal aspen
can you only have either fated authority or fated persuasion on one profile?
one side only, and for the purple side you can get 8 rerolls and on the yellow side you can get 4 rerolls, but there is a work order that gives you a reroll when you pick up a key
lunar orchid
so i have to start a new profile to try those?
lunar orchid
I should have went with fated persuasion instead of authority
lunar orchid
i dont have the option
signal aspen
you will unlock it
idk how
its been a while
but everybody has the option tho change it
lunar orchid
i have my whole mirror maxed out
signal aspen
idk how to unlock the thing
are you sure that you dont have the thing unlocked yet?
are you using keyboard and mouse?
lunar orchid
controller
signal aspen
do you see that thing on the left of every mirror tier
signal aspen
are you on pc?
lunar orchid
yea
lunar orchid
nope
signal aspen
thats weird
how long have you been playing?
"(the green talents are not available from the start—they will be unlocked following a conversation with Nyx after collecting a minimum of 300 darkness)"
signal aspen
the newest one
i dont think its the version you are playing on
when was the last time you talked to nyx?
sturdy sphinx
If you've ever picked a green thing then you had to have switched it because it's default purple
lunar orchid
1.37828 is my version
i pirated it at first but then bought it threw steam
i wonder if thats whats happening
signal aspen
bro pick up your mouse and click on the middle of one of the mirror tiers
signal aspen
i pirated it at first but then bought it threw steam
you what
sturdy sphinx
Speaking of, do you guys runs God's Legacy or the other one? I've been doing God's but maybe it would be better to just have more epic boons
signal aspen
gods legacy is a scam
sturdy sphinx
Seems like it
lunar orchid
😦
signal aspen
talk to her
broken needle
It happens haha I think the more you die, the higher that ranks
I mean, the unblock conversation
signal aspen
yeah just start a run, end it and talk to nyx
broken needle
Also the more you beat the game, the lower it gets
Because Mom conversations take priority
sturdy sphinx
That's super weird
native niche
what exactly is tier 1, tier 2 ... on wiki? something like - i can't have twice tier 1 ? or what exactly?
broken needle
what exactly is tier 1, tier 2 ... on wiki? something like - i can't have twice ...
You mean boons?
native niche
You mean boons?
yes
broken needle
Tier 1 are basic boons, they don't have any requirement
Example, attack, special, cast, vengeance boons and some others
Tier 2 boons have requirements: example: Demeter boon which applies dmg if all enemies have a frozen status
You need a Tier 1 boon that aplies frost
You can have as many as you want of each, except in cases where there's a conflict
Example: Zeus attack and Artemis attack, both skills use the attack slot, so one will replace the other if you choose them
There are also Legendary and Duos with their own restrictions
native niche
@broken needle Perfect, thank you for that. 👌 👌
rare gust
<@!493193412045176843> Perfect, thank you for that. 👌 👌
You can upgrade your codex to further explain your boons and their requirements
I think you can to converse with Achilles a bunch to unlock it? But I trust it is an eventuality
When that happens you can just go to the Olympian Gods tab, and press B (Or whatever views your boons)
uncut dagger
actually one thing I don't like about Hades is that if the Olympians have their own Boon lists why can't the Infernal Arms have their own Hammer lists?
red gust
there aren't as many hammer upgrades as there are boons, and i don't think there are any that require prerequisites? so hammer upgrades are easier to keep track of
uncut dagger
a list would still be nice
uncut dagger
there aren't as many hammer upgrades as there are boons, and i don't think there...
true though
rare gust
Well that would be tough a little due to the future aspects
Are all 6 from the future? I don't know, I felt like it was implied
uncut dagger
eh
uncut dagger
just make that part of the Codex unlock when you get the Hidden Aspect
solar wind
rare gust
Lmao
I'm so smart
I discovered a way to get perfect catches every time
Just put your finger over the bob on the screen
React only to the flash
modern garnet
:O
radiant heart
Isn’t that the same as just... waiting for the sound cue?
rare gust
Not always
I find the subtle splashing and the bobbing ot helpful
The flash is the only definitive cue
modern garnet
I've played a hundred hours and only gotten 1 perfect catch
So I'll take any tricks I can get
red gust
the hook will only bob a maximum of three times before a fish bites. so if it's boobed three times, you know the next bob will be the fish
coarse marten
imagine having suych thing as like a 1 god only run. like every boon is from the same god
modern garnet
People do boonless runs, so if you mess up a boonless run and end up with 1 boon then that's a 1 god run I guess
dapper oracle
if you had to fight sisyphus would he use the second half of wretched shades or would he have his own therme
signal aspen
if you had to fight sisyphus would he use the second half of wretched shades or ...
He would throw bouldy at you
dapper oracle
I'm aware bouldy would feature in the fight, I just want to know about the BGM
I think a case could be made for either
sturdy sphinx
Someone on here recommended watching for the flash and that helped me
dapper oracle
there's precedent for battle theme being a remix of the not battle theme (Payback Mix)
sturdy sphinx
I caught two rare fish in one run yesterday
dapper oracle
nice
sturdy sphinx
I think they're rare
rare gust
I caught two rare as well just now
sturdy sphinx
Nice
dapper oracle
chance of failure drops drastically if I listen for the sound instead of watching the screen
sturdy sphinx
Yeah I got a seamare and stonewall
I never got any before watching for the blink
I used to go by sound as well
rare gust
Also
I love the whispering of Dusa's gossiping
I am also incredibly sure some of the words she says are Pomegranate and Watermelon
dapper oracle
maybe she's ordering a combination pomegranate watermelon juice from the local fast food restaurant
dapper oracle
yeah hades either "secretly offers" persephone pomegranate pips or "secretly tricks her into eating" pomegranate pips to provide pretense to force her to stay in the underworld
woeful robin
The heck are the other minor fixes?
heady stream
LMAOOO the cerberus patch note
dapper oracle
I can't remember the details and it seems there's some debate over what the myth originally said
rare gust
Maybe the broker's font won't break after making purchases now
Wretched Broker's deals go from that tainted gold color to a bright white after you make a purchase
woeful robin
will theseus stop being invincible for 10 seconds at a time?
unreal helm
huh, japanese language finally available. maybe japanese VA can also be a thing for Hades?
shell geyser
i was briefly excited about that before rereading and seeing 'text' only. I'd be curious to hear japanese VA though and their take on the characters
haughty glen
hades japanese subbed anime
lost seal
Anyone know if this will ever come out on ps or xbox?
rare gust
Daisuke Ono (Jotaro Kujo) as Ares please
high island
No one knows, no.
uncut dagger
Hades is an anime game now
it always was
opal talon
Lol
digital python
i love how they phrased that " You can no longer rudely walk away from Cerberus when forging a bond with him." like everyone takes not offending the big dog 100% seriously
brisk trail
finally 30-0'd with thanatos
uncut dagger
niiiiiiiiiice
brisk trail
i love how they phrased that " You can no longer rudely walk away from Cerberus ...
Do... Do you not?
unreal helm
I find it easy to steal all than's kill by using aspect of talos
or am I doing it the easy way?
brisk trail
Ooh, that's actually a cool idea.
unreal helm
ngl, at the beginning aspect of hera was one of my least liked aspect (even choose coronacht aspect of zagreus over hera) but once I played around with the cast it quickly jumped into my most favorite aspect
its basically my go to for 20+ heat runs
cast-based infernal arms aspects are now my most favorite ones in hades
poseidon, beowulf, hera
digital python
Do... Do you not?
no i do
brisk trail
Oh, gotcha.
brisk trail
finally 30-0'd with thanatos
Congratulations!
shell geyser
Daisuke Ono (Jotaro Kujo) as Ares please
I'm trying to think of which char Kenjiro Tsuda (Overhaul VA among others) would voice. All I can think of is Thanatos
And Hades should absolutely be Jouji Nakata (Alucard). No other choice
digital python
oh i love aspect of talos i use it for meme beam runs
so the entire run im just spamming my special and my cast & that's it. ir's rlly funny to me to completely cheese boss fights by spamming special and nothing else
modern garnet
You help out the beam by moving enemies in front of it?
digital python
ah no it's cuz i only focus on usually two aspects during runs sometimes it's cast & special or attack & special etc so when i use talos it's special & cast
cuz if i used demeter i can't do that
sturdy sphinx
Cast builds are fine but my thumb gets tired from having to hit an extra button so much
At least with poseidon builds
digital python
talos is good cuz i dont have to worry abt the lack of reach the fists have when im only using specials & i have terrible cordination so i tend to miss attacks a lot so i can't spam special as often w/ aspect of demeter
digital python
Cast builds are fine but my thumb gets tired from having to hit an extra button ...
but your thumb is will be hitting buttons anyways?
im confused by that statement
r u playing on pc?
digital python
i dont see how that's more intensive than demeter's cast they last roughly the same esp if u upgrade demeter's cast
sturdy sphinx
With poseidon sword you're like lodging all three in someone and then knocking them out and then doing it quick again
digital python
yea
and then demeter's legendary means the boss fight just ends before u even get hades' health all the way down
coarse marten
with nectar and exclusive do you get 3 heroics
signal aspen
with nectar and exclusive do you get 3 heroics
If you have 3 epic t1 boons then you can get lucky and get 3 heroics
brisk trail
No, only way to get Heroics is through exchanging a boon, or upgrading it through Eurydice or Demeter.
rare gust
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/488372248646778891/834549206291185685/Hades_82.png?width=1100&height=619 I dedicate this clear to my insatiable greed and Ares' crappy boons
rare gust
I entered Hades fight with 4 coin
That 323 was from the chumps he summoned
I spent it all on Titan's Blood prior
brisk trail
And Hades should absolutely be Jouji Nakata (Alucard). No other choice <:shadesm...
You misspelled Norio Wakamoto.
Or maybe he'd be Theseus.
sturdy sphinx
Gg
sturdy sphinx
I want to do one of those runs with the sword and hammer perk that scales with money
Hot damn
rare gust
This is just at Asphodel too
sturdy sphinx
I bet your thumb was hurting
sturdy sphinx
Oh nice ez mode
rare gust
Is it though? I hear people say controller is better
Q and E for Special and Interact is a bit weird I will admit
sturdy sphinx
I've never played on keyboard but I guess I could see how it could be easier
Controller I mean
Crazy you got epic exit wounds too
shell geyser
You misspelled Norio Wakamoto.
Or maybe he'd be Theseus.
I see where you're going with this, but I feel like Jouji has the deeper voice that fits Hades better. I could kinda see Norio as Zeus or maybe Poseidon? He's definitely in that low voice range but not quite enough
rare gust
180 * 7
Not to mention
They're Artemis Casts
6 of them brought Lernie down by a 1/3
sturdy sphinx
Nice
sturdy sphinx
I feel like I never really get value out of Hunter's Mark
Feels like pressure points is better overall
gleaming sedge
Is there a way to reset God Mode? I find it really helpful with my playthrough but now it's gotten too high, and I do still want a bit of a challenge
dusky wedge
Is there a way to reset God Mode? I find it really helpful with my playthrough b...
Nope, it’s only “on” or “off”
rare gust
Such a busted run
Casting all of them and dislodging them with the special took away almost half of Hades' HP
sturdy sphinx
lol
rare gust
Dislodging all 7 would already deal 1400 damage
sturdy sphinx
Crazy amount of damage on exit wounds yeah
rare gust
Even if I didn't, I got Fast Reload
Not to mention, each cast dealt like 800 on crit
Such, probably the most broken run of my entire playtime so far
unreal helm
exit wound is such a godsent boon for aspect of poseidon
modern garnet
That might be the perfect poseidon sword build
signal aspen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/488372248646778891/834560434387812403/H...
It would be even more busted if you played with stygian soul instead of infernal
I think you would be able to have 25 casts on a boss at the same time
rare gust
Hmm
rare gust
I think you would be able to have 25 casts on a boss at the same time
Would it reload all my stones or one at a time?
signal aspen
All at once
rare gust
I've never given it a chance
plucky flint
I've been playing this game for a year now, and finally the Japanese language has been implemented. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
rare gust
That could definitely be interesting
signal aspen
Insane exit wounds damage
eternal shoal
someone pointed out that Theseus looks like zap branigan and i can't unsee it
knotty glen
hello
can anyoned give me some tips? I can't seem to get under nine minutes
i've gotten ~9m20s with the gun, the fists, and the spear
signal aspen
sweet igloo
How important is healign because ive found that when i have asure fire way of healing i would get far in
signal aspen
Health keeps you alive
And healing keeps your health up
So you won't die
What kind of question is this?
modern garnet
well the thing is, there's a very limited amount of surefire ways of healing
signal aspen
Well after every chamber you will heal 3 hp with a mirror upgrade
modern garnet
oh yeah
i always have the other side of that upgrade on
because getting full health after boss fight is nice
signal aspen
Yeah
sturdy sphinx
Health keeps you alive
big if true
signal aspen
It's not
sturdy sphinx
having that one boon that heals 1 hp a second with no DD is so funny
sturdy sphinx
yeah that's insane. some other person posted here who did one too
i be getting hit tbh
craggy barn
the benefit of doing no-hit is that you never have to take hearts and erebus gates are free if you're brave enough
modern garnet
Oh yeah last run I got the demeter Athena healing duo right after losing all my DDs to em3 bull miniboss
I didn't have TD on so it was a pretty cheesy rest of the run
manic moat
I've never got that boon and had it work
I think it would be a good boon to have with SD tho
modern garnet
It's a boon for desperate situations
peak zealot
SD feels so bad compared to DD
game needs more "low health means buff" effects to make SD reasonable IMO
Unrelated. Anyone know if the devs have ever commented on why the dashes are so horribly balanced
edgy bison
damn, would've got my first sub 20 if i didnt run 5 heat
peak zealot
Athena dash is great utility. Poseidon dash is great damage (honestly it trivializes almost all non boss encounters). And the rest just kind of suck.
narrow hemlock
SD feels so bad compared to DD
stubborn is actually invaluable with certain heat conditions. if you don't see the use in it, then you're not in a position where it'll be beneficial to you
peak zealot
For like, 30+ heat runs, sure.... what percent of the player base gets to 30+ heat runs. What percent of the player base tries stubborn when they get access to it, try it, realize it sucks, play the game for 10-30 more hours and then quit before bothering to grind up to 30+ heat runs?
modern garnet
high heat is an option in this game, and SD probably makes it less miserable
if you're likely to die multiple times in one room vs if you're likely to die 3+ times in one biome
dull niche
SD kinda sucks until u get into mid-high heat but i think its a super interesting mechanic at that point
modern garnet
at some point heightened security becomes an upside because you die faster :O
(I know that's silly)
craggy barn
i like how heightened security can benefit you in some way where you can waste less time waiting for stuff to explode so you can heal with sd
really helps with td3
uncut dagger
SD kinda sucks until u get into mid-high heat but i think its a super interestin...
what would you consider a good time to switch to SD?
craggy barn
going past lc2 is a good threshold for SD
peak zealot
which one is lc?
modern garnet
Heal reduction
peak zealot
does heal reduction impact DD or SD?
dull niche
no
peak zealot
thats weird
dull niche
which is why SD is used to mitigate LC4
uncut dagger
y'know I was gonna say I meant at what Heat Level but that varies
peak zealot
IDK, I just wish it wasn't such a trap for new/intermediate players
modern garnet
Imagine lc4 at 4 heat
peak zealot
lc4 would be minimum 1+2+3+4 = 10 heat right?
uncut dagger
no it's more like 1+1+1+1
peak zealot
I have to be honest, I haven't found the need to enable lc yet outside doing it once for quests.
granite ether
Hard Labour doesn't scale either
peak zealot
I'm at about 16ish heat at the moment
granite ether
Nor does Convinience Fee, or Damage Control
uncut dagger
Nor does Convinience Fee, or Damage Control
yeah the first few
uncut dagger
I'm at about 16ish heat at the moment
I've got a record of 13
er, wait
I have a record of 12
I'm on 13
peak zealot
I think my record at the moment is 19 with aspect of hestia. but with the other weapons I'm lower. I think my lowest right now is fists at 14 or something
uncut dagger
I think my record at the moment is 19 with aspect of hestia. but with the other ...
woooooooooooow dang
I'm probably slacking behind because I focus more on grinding Darkness though
peak zealot
I had to do a few darkness runs too to max out the last mirror upgrade.
uncut dagger
recently I'm getting back into advancing the Heat Levels with all the Infernal Arms
I might still do those every now and then though because I'm saving up for an expensive thing
peak zealot
I just wish I had started saving gold to buy diamonds/blood earlier. As is, I'm still not quite done upgrading all the weapons
uncut dagger
I just wish I had started saving gold to buy diamonds/blood earlier. As is, I'm ...
I blew like, 22 Titan Blood recently and I am still WAY off
uncut dagger
peak zealot
its not as bad as it seems. Use the "+15% gold when finishing a floor" and try to enter the final shop with 1000 gold so you can buy blood/diamonds. Each run ends up giving 4-4.5 blood equivalent for upgrading weapons
And you get a bunch of blood from quests
still, it is a grind
uncut dagger
ohhhhh
peak zealot
Just focus on investing in good aspects or at least aspects you like
uncut dagger
I should do that
uncut dagger
Just focus on investing in good aspects or at least aspects you like
yeah I'm doing that then working my way to the poopoo ones
peak zealot
I really hope hades gets a balance patch at some point
modern garnet
what would be in your ideal balance patch?
uncut dagger
just increase all damage by 2,000%, totally fair
modern garnet
hehehe
i think it's balanced well for things that are important to me, which is to say, every aspect is above evenly playable at low heat
peak zealot
I think poseidon dash needs a nerf and all other dashes but athena need a buff. I think spear spin attack and rail special need buffs of some kind
modern garnet
rail special needs a buff? what kind of rail builds have you been doin
peak zealot
mostly aspect of hestia. The special is just slower and worse than a dash reload and attack
the special gets upgraded alot wit the right hammers, but I'd rather see the base special be more useful and the broken hammers slightly nerfed than require getting a lucky hammer to make the special matter
modern garnet
oh yeah well special is gonna be weaker than attack on the attack focuses aspect
try eris or lucifer sometime
peak zealot
It isn't good on eris either
It is just a way to get an attack buff
and cast
I think
lucifer has an entirely different special so it doesn't really count
And for Zag aspect, I can't say special is particularly useful either
craggy barn
special can deal some decent damage on hestia while you're reloading
manic moat
yea
craggy barn
it still deals less damage, but you can easily pop one out while reloading
manic moat
I think special hammers debuff and base special buff would change the gameplay a little
craggy barn
it also still explodes so it can be used for multiple enemies
peak zealot
seems better to dash while reloading to ensure you have space to get off your shot and make backstabs hit
uncut dagger
it still deals less damage, but you can easily pop one out while reloading
I do that often actually, it's good to get in that rhythm
the worst thing about the Special is aiming it imo
peak zealot
I mean, I tend to just not aim the thing which is another issue
I'm on switch though and aiming with joy sticks is terrible
on PC I assume you aim with mouse which probably works vastly better
uncut dagger
I don't even use M&K I use Controller
manic moat
yea controller special aiming is difficult
uncut dagger
I'm also not too great at memorizing both M&K and Controller inputs
peak zealot
In any case, I think It could do with a buff. At the moment, it is a basically negligible part of the kit for hestia and is only relevant for eris to target oneself, which is something, but doesn't speak kindly about the specials use in combat
lucifer special has felt fine to me. At least its unique
Zag aspect should probably get an attack speed buff to go along with more ammo while we are at it
uncut dagger
I had a run where I put Aphro on the Luci Special and had the Hammer Upgrade that let's you deploy 3 bombs at once it also had a 250% radius
🤌 it cleaned house
modern garnet
Yeah that certainly wins runs
peak zealot
ya, the special has good hammers for sure. 5 rockets is insane
3 rockets is also insane
but having special require hammers to be relevant isn't a good place to be in terms of balance IMO
uncut dagger
true but I haven't tried it without hammers
if I ever get Dark Thirst on Exagryph again I'll let you know if the strategy makes the Special wirth it or not
peak zealot
I think the same arguement applies to spear spin. Without upgrades, spear spin is basically useless. It can provide a burst of damage when a wave spawns, and thats it
uncut dagger
I think the same arguement applies to spear spin. Without upgrades, spear spin i...
COUGH COUGH ASPECT OF HADES COUGH COUGH
also it's good crowd control
peak zealot
Aspect of hades is so vastly worse than aspect of achilles precisely because the base spin is so terrible
craggy barn
hades definitely isn't "vastly worse" than achilles
quick spin can make it very fun to use
peak zealot
aspect of achilles is a +150% damage buff
uncut dagger
to...?
peak zealot
cast and attack
craggy barn
next 4 attacks/casts
uncut dagger
base or fully upgraded it doe 150%
craggy barn
hades is more attack/special oriented
peak zealot
@craggy barn you kind of made my point for me by saying "quick spin can make it fun to use"
if an aspect requires specific hammer upgrades to be fun, it isn't in a good place in terms of balance
uncut dagger
yeah dude my Varatha main is Hades
also I learned what Achilles does it gives your Raging Rush
eh
again, probably good objectively just doesn't jive with me
peak zealot
Its very easy to get 1000 damage casts with achilles
uncut dagger
yeah, cool
cursive cradle
yo what up quick question. if I get a boon that gives +1 death defiance, I still cant have more than 3 right?
uncut dagger
whaaaaaaaaaaat's the point?
craggy barn
getting 100 damage casts with achilles means it needs good cast boons
uncut dagger
yo what up quick question. if I get a boon that gives +1 death defiance, I still...
you can't ahve more than 3
craggy barn
and a good cast build generally wants quite a few boons
peak zealot
Yes, you can get more than 3 DD @cursive cradle
@cursive cradle to be clear, the only way to get more than 3DD is with the chaos legendary boon
craggy barn
yo what up quick question. if I get a boon that gives +1 death defiance, I still...
the only boon that flat out gives you another dd is defiance from chaos. everything else only restores lost dds
uncut dagger
if you get Last Stand from Athena you won't get +1 Max DD
cursive cradle
ok, the chaos boon is what im currently looking at lol
uncut dagger
oh right
the Chaos Boon I forgot about that one
🤦♂️
ANYWAY WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC what were we talking about
peak zealot
@craggy barn Thing is, the game is designed to give you control over what boons you get. It isn't designed to give you control over hammers. Its ok for an aspect to benefit or even need specific boons. Requiring specific hammers is much less desirable from a balance perspective
uncut dagger
<@!524888668670787590> Thing is, the game is designed to give you control over w...
what?
designed to give you control over what Boons you get?
cursive cradle
it's worth
rip... next room is boss haha
uncut dagger
rip... next room is boss haha
oooooooooooh, good luck man
peak zealot
yes. You get many shoots at the boons you are after and can reroll and use keepsakes to force certain boons
you get two rolls at hammer. Period, and then anvil if you want to meme
uncut dagger
To control boons
those only last so long, though, right?
and if I refresh twice at once it costs me 3 dice
peak zealot
I'm just pointint out that "needs quick spin" is a much more narrow requirement than "needs a good cast", or even "needs a specific pair of gods"
craggy barn
even then, hades can also do well with a special build if you get exploding launcher
uncut dagger
yeah I've made Hades work without the big spinneroonie
cursive cradle
oooooooooooh, good luck man
||i beat the hydra without losing a DD....||
craggy barn
hades has 3 good hammer options, which is decent odds for something good
uncut dagger
||i beat the hydra without losing a DD....||
peak zealot
Nice. @cursive cradle
cursive cradle
my hand is cramped up i need a break hahaha
uncut dagger
my hand is cramped up i need a break hahaha
me after playing Malphon because my dumbass thinks to mash the attack button
cursive cradle
lol
uncut dagger
~~me after playing Malphon because my dumbass thinks to mash the attack button~~
and that is why Malphon is garbage thank you and good night /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j /j
peak zealot
I maintain, the game would benefit from buffing gun special, buffing spear spin, nerfing posiedon dash, buffing every other dash except athena. There are probably some other small balance changes worth making too
cursive cradle
you know when you talking about choosing boons in a sense, ive never sold any... not sure if Im doing it right though
peak zealot
how far into the game are you takku?
manic moat
sword hammer need changes honestly
peak zealot
ok. Well, you should always check the shops to see what boons you can sell. And by now you probably have some idea of what boons are useful for a build and which are irrelevant. Sell the irrelevant ones if you can. It will give you more gold to buy more boons (or just buying blood from the ifnal shop)
uncut dagger
you know when you talking about choosing boons in a sense, ive never sold any......
I don't sell many Boons unless I realize that Dionysus just SHOWED UP AND I WASTED MY ATTACK SLOT GOD DAMMI-
manic moat
elaborate? I'm curious
I mean like some of them are absolutely useless in all situations
like cruel thrust
and dash nova is counter productive
at least in my opinion
sword hammer in general are eh
peak zealot
@cursive cradle mostly, you control your build by using the trinkets to force encounters with specific gods (who will then continue to show up for the rest of your run) selling boons matters a lot less
uncut dagger
Piercing Wave is god-tier though 👌
doesn't save it but I just thought I'd say that
uncut dagger
sword hammer in general are eh
I see that now
manic moat
yea piercing wave flurry slash double edge, shadow slash to some extent
peak zealot
dash nova is so bad
cursive cradle
honestly i play casually, and like to get through with what I got lol
but yeah Im sure there are ways to swap out things
manic moat
but like world splitter dash nova and cruel thrust can use a change or even a complete replacement
uncut dagger
honestly i play casually, and like to get through with what I got lol
same, man
peak zealot
world splitter just needs a bigger hit box and/or better aim assist
uncut dagger
everyone's over here doing hyper-specific runs and optimizations and I'm over here living in simpleton land
manic moat
world splitter just needs a bigger hit box and/or better aim assist
that could work but wouldn't it just make it into arthur attack
a little
craggy barn
i feel like dash nova is good if you actually get a feel for it
peak zealot
Dash nova just gives sturdy or soemthing right?
it isn't even a damage buff?
or its like 20% or something negligible
craggy barn
personally i can't be bothered since i get the same effect with special > dash and i've never tried dash to cursor
uncut dagger
like cruel thrust
huh
I'd find it to be useful
I dunno maybe that's just me
craggy barn
dash nova is probably good with nemesis
peak zealot
@manic moat I could say the same thing about exploading spear special and hidden spear aspect
uncut dagger
and dash nova is counter productive
Dash Nova is kinda weird though
manic moat
<@!465824700195405846> I could say the same thing about exploading spear special...
yea I was actually thinking the same thing while saying that
uncut dagger
similar issues I have with Exagryph special in which I feel like I have to line it up to get a good shot
cursive cradle
during my break and chatting I forgot I take 4 damage on attack...
manic moat
but then both have other unique moves too so it checks outs
craggy barn
you'd have pretty good sturdy uptime with dash nova on nem if you just keep using it with your special > dash-strike x2 loop
peak zealot
I don't think "this hammer makes weapon slower but hit harder" is fundenatly a bad thing for hammer balance. world splitters issue for me is that I can't reliably hit with it
cursive cradle
similar issues I have with Exagryph special in which I feel like I have to line ...
man that weapon is in my top 2
uncut dagger
damn man I envy you
peak zealot
exagryph is agreat. Exagryph special sucks
manic moat
I don't think "this hammer makes weapon slower but hit harder" is fundenatly a b...
same with exploding shot on bow i guess then?
uncut dagger
I've gotten better with it recently but I still consider it to be the one I suck the most at
peak zealot
I mean, I think exploding shot on bow is fine
manic moat
I see
peak zealot
in general, I think the bow hammers are fine.
manic moat
man imagine if flurry shot and explosive shot stacked
cursive cradle
||the exagryph special, i did a run with triple shot and mad buffs and like 3 shot hades||
manic moat
yea triple bomb is really good with that
cursive cradle
again 0 heat
uncut dagger
yea triple bomb is really good with that
Triple Bomb is dang good
peak zealot
yes, the fact that hammers make exagryph special 3-5x more powerful, should be a good indicate that the base special is underpowered
manic moat
pretty much any hammer makes it good
cursive cradle
i always grab hammer when i see it. what are your thoughts
uncut dagger
yes, the fact that hammers make exagryph special 3-5x more powerful, should be a...
well just because something is more powerful with hammer doesn't mean it's base underpowered
peak zealot
chaos gates are sometimes higher priority than hammer
uncut dagger
by that logic everything needs a buff
cursive cradle
yeah. chaos --> hammer
uncut dagger
i always grab hammer when i see it. what are your thoughts
same
I've kinda stopped going to Chaos
manic moat
hammer you know will always show up
craggy barn
literally every aspect is more powerful with hammers
cursive cradle
yeah it feels like there are set places where the hammer is
uncut dagger
literally every aspect is more powerful with hammers
I already made this point you can't make it /j
peak zealot
That isn't the argument I'm making. The argument I'm making is that good hammers for most attacks approximately double damage. And this is true across every attack. Except for exagryph special which gets hammers that triple or quadruple damage. This likely implies that base hammer is too weak, and its being compensated for with busted hammers
uncut dagger
That isn't the argument I'm making. The argument I'm making is that good hammers...
yeah it implies
manic moat
it's like how cast becomes so much more powerful with literally any cast boon, so base cast is "underpowered", I guess in this case it's supposed to be
uncut dagger
implies does not mean it is
peak zealot
@cursive cradle you are basically gauranteed 2 hammers per run.
cursive cradle
That isn't the argument I'm making. The argument I'm making is that good hammers...
i agree with this
peak zealot
base cast IS underpowered on purpose
manic moat
yea
manic moat
the early access one?
cursive cradle
yeah
cursive cradle
it would 1 shot a room
peak zealot
what did it do?
cursive cradle
then you would spam chaos to max out crystal shards
it was much wider
and did way more damage
im sure you can find a video on it
uncut dagger
I think I remember it a little
me sitting in the corner having not bought the game until Christmas 2020
peak zealot
hoenstly, as is, it is among the worst casts
manic moat
it was sort of conical iirc
manic moat
hoenstly, as is, it is among the worst casts
I mean yea like if you're not building around it, it's stupid
crude surge
Just not useful with such bad range
peak zealot
what does building around it even mean, just getting the slight range increase and fast cast?
manic moat
it's works on I think talos, hera and poseidon
cursive cradle
hoenstly, as is, it is among the worst casts
its garbo now
brisk trail
its ok on melee weapons
peak zealot
The last thing I want when using a melee weapon is a melee cast
brisk trail
why
crude surge
If I’m using a melee weapon why would I use a short range cast instead of a melee attack that does more damage and then not being able to use a ranged attack
It’s terrible on melee
craggy barn
The last thing I want when using a melee weapon is a melee cast
???
brisk trail
huh
peak zealot
because some enemies like to hover over gaps that are literally unreachable without a ranged effect
cursive cradle
i mean i was telling my friends her cast was going to be nerfed, maybe they killed it too much but meh its whatever
peak zealot
also, at melee range, your melee works well already
uncut dagger
yeah it's nice to have a ranged cast
brisk trail
aphro cast usually does much more dmg than melee strikes unlesa ur on arthur
it has more aoetoo
uncut dagger
honestly Athena and Aphro I would only accept to power my dashes
manic moat
yea like having flood short on something that can't deal with crowds well ex hestia
uncut dagger
anything else is pretty much no go for me
craggy barn
aphro cast has good damage and a benefit to it being melee is it can't fly out to unraeachable spots
cursive cradle
i really like poseidons cast
uncut dagger
yea like having flood short on something that can't deal with crowds well ex hes...
ooh especially in Asphodel so you can knock the guys into Phlegethon
brisk trail
I get the enemies going over gaps thing but it only happend to me once for them to be unreachable
uncut dagger
🤌
uncut dagger
I get the enemies going over gaps thing but it only happend to me once for them ...
that damn Gorgon miniboss in Asphodel does that annoying stuff all the time
uncut dagger
I swear the Gorgon goes behind a ton of stone structures
peak zealot
if you don't have MM on, it will fly away from you over magma
uncut dagger
not all the time though
uncut dagger
if you don't have MM on, it will fly away from you over magma
MM?
all the time was me overexaggerating
peak zealot
the heat that makes miniboss fights interesting
peak zealot
with it on, the gorgon teleports around but stays on land
with it off, the gorgon just flies off into the ocean
brisk trail
lmao
uncut dagger
yeah I hate that crap
cursive cradle
has anyone tried just putting on max heat?
brisk trail
sure
uncut dagger
oh I tried once
peak zealot
tons of people have done max heat
high island
I have a 9:31 at 32 Heat with Crush Shot on Poseidon Aspect. I don't know how that qualifies as "garbo". 
uncut dagger
I think I lasted a total of 30 seconds
cursive cradle
is 32 max?
brisk trail
64 is
uncut dagger
is 32 max?
63
cursive cradle
oh
uncut dagger
it's 63 I think
cursive cradle
lol
uncut dagger
wait is it?
brisk trail
64 with hellmode
cursive cradle
30 seconds?
uncut dagger
64 with hellmode
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh that explains it I'm too chicken to go on Hellmode
high island
The high heat leaderboard is pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
cursive cradle
oh damn. yeah im new to everything. didnt know
craggy barn
tons of people have done max heat
what number is your threshold for "tons" exactly
brisk trail
I think they mean tried
craggy barn
unless you mean "attempted" literally only one person has cleared 64 heat
peak zealot
really? that is suprising
high island
This month's challenge is getting as far as you can on 63 Heat (or 64 for the extra challenge). It's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat. 
uncut dagger
heeeeeeeeeeey.... I use Heightened Security all the time :'(
brisk trail
the person that cleared it only could do so with rng manip
uncut dagger
unless you mean "attempted" literally only one person has cleared 64 heat
wait somebody actually did it?
craggy barn
oh yeah
craggy barn
not to mention that clear used routing and rng manipulation
peak zealot
IDK, I'm just used to there being a sufficient number of crazies to beat any game no matter how stupid the game is
uncut dagger
not to mention that clear used routing and rng manipulation
but still legit, right?
craggy barn
clearing 64 heat takes lots of crazy
cursive cradle
I still havent been able to kill charon on 0 heat lol
craggy barn
but still legit, right?
yeah, totally
brisk trail
its diff if max heat wasnt designed to be beaten in the first place
uncut dagger
I still havent been able to kill charon on 0 heat lol
you'll get there man
peak zealot
I dont think I've ever died to charon
uncut dagger
its diff if max heat wasnt designed to be beaten in the first place
4/20 mode in FNAF1 wasn't designed to be beaten
cursive cradle
ive only tried once and didnt know what was going on lol
peak zealot
I've only done a few first floor chiron fights though
brisk trail
I dont know anything about fnaf
craggy barn
i highly doubt 64 heat was not designed to be beaten
craggy barn
even with the kind of conditions at max heat there are to deal with, it seems very "doable"
brisk trail
rng manip to be used to beat it speaks for itself imo
craggy barn
"doable" as in "possible", not "easy"
uncut dagger
even with the kind of conditions at max heat there are to deal with, it seems ve...
yeah my 30 second run and I disagree with you there
peak zealot
what is the time limit per floor on a 64 heat run anyway?
brisk trail
yeah
peak zealot
5 minutes, but you deal with +100% enemies? and they have +100% health or soemthing?
and you don't get double dash
uncut dagger
5 minutes, but you deal with +100% enemies? and they have +100% health or soemth...
yep.
cursive cradle
is there a boon to instantly retrieve bloodstones?
peak zealot
yes, its one of wing guys legendary boons
uncut dagger
is there a boon to instantly retrieve bloodstones?
there's a Boon that draws the stones to you I think
peak zealot
which god is wing guy again
high island
The game is not at all balanced for 64 Heat. Only a handful of players at best even have a chance at all with very few aspects and a whole lot of luck.
cursive cradle
hermes?
craggy barn
50 minutes, 60% more enemies, and they all have 30% more hp including bosses
peak zealot
hermes ya
uncut dagger
yes, its one of wing guys legendary boons
his name is Lord Hermes, he deserves more than the naming of "the wing guy"
cursive cradle
good to know
uncut dagger
The game is not at all balanced for 64 Heat. Only a handful of players at best e...
it is a roguelite after all, luck is what I would expect
cursive cradle
hermes is also on my must picks. chaos --> hammer -- > hermes
peak zealot
in order to get the "auto recover casts" boon, you need to have the feather equipped, get the "casts drop out of enemies faster" or "cast faster" buff
craggy barn
you can also just get flurry cast or quick for greater recall
craggy barn
hermes also has an alternate legendary boon if you're using stygian soul instead of infernal soul
peak zealot
ya, its like a+50% cast buff or something.
Stygian soul is pretty terrible though outside meme beams
high island
Anyway, Crush Shot is perfectly perfect in every way. I will not have this heresy. 
cursive cradle
wow. i just beat thesius and the minitaur keeping all 4 of my DD running close to like 5 to 20 hp... wtf
high island
Nice one. Keep at it.
peak zealot
feels so bad to burn 3 rerolls on hermes and still get crap
craggy barn
i tend to default to stygian soul since it removes lightning rod and flurry cast, which may seem bad but honestly i almost never try to get either of those
cursive cradle
feels so bad to burn 3 rerolls on hermes and still get crap
broooo i did that on chaos the other day. every boon was white
uncut dagger
Anyway, Crush Shot is perfectly perfect in every way. I will not have this heres...
if I get Athena and Aphro in a run I use the Crush Shot
anytime else, I'm good, thanks
peak zealot
at least a common chaos boon is still useful. Hermes has actually nothing-burgers for boons even at common
cursive cradle
which one is crush shot? i know ive used it a few times
uncut dagger
which one is crush shot? i know ive used it a few times
Aphro Cast
peak zealot
crush shot is love cast
cursive cradle
oh right
peak zealot
its a very close range, but reasonably high damage cast
high island
If you're not doing a Cast build, your Cast barely matters at all except for Boiling Blood. And Crush Shot is exceptional for Cast builds.
cursive cradle
the one we were talking about that i didnt like lol. again that just my opinion
uncut dagger
feels so bad to burn 3 rerolls on hermes and still get crap
bro how dare you insult my boi Hermes like that
craggy barn
crush shot feels so underrated
it's so nice to use, especially since you don't even have to worry about casts flying off
cursive cradle
still miss old crush shot...
uncut dagger
the one we were talking about that i didnt like lol. again that just my opinion
same
I'd only accept it in the most dire of circumstances, that being what I said above
peak zealot
its really not that bad, its just different and kind of annoying to use
cursive cradle
next time I get it ill try a build with it for sure
high island
More than reasonably high, it's the highest damage lodging Cast with amazing pom scaling.
peak zealot
Sure, but it still gets blown out of the water by ice wine
uncut dagger
I thought you said amazing porn scaling for a second there
modern garnet
if you're not doing cast build, dio cast is always nice to have to get yourself out of trouble
carmine ravine
It's mostly a trade off for its range
modern garnet
or flood shot
uncut dagger
if you're not doing cast build, dio cast is always nice to have to get yourself ...
man I think Dionysus Cast might be my least favorite
it's effects feel so intangible to me
uncut dagger
Dio cast is my fav tbh
awesome man I wish I could agree there
craggy barn
dio beo was my favourite for a while
cursive cradle
idk if artemis is good, but I think she has the best character design... imo
high island
Ice Wine is a Duo Boon, and it doesn't lodge, so you're not getting your Casts back immediately when killing enemies.
peak zealot
dio cast is a massive amount of damage and then creates a stun effect. Its kind of awkward to use, but very strong
craggy barn
then i realized just how much of a high-roll that build was and it was suddenly just so off-putting to me
uncut dagger
idk if artemis is good, but I think she has the best character design... imo
dude I simp for Artemis
carmine ravine
Yes dio cast is mostly for aoe burst
craggy barn
now i usually run flood flare
rapid forum
who doesn't simp for artemis?
modern garnet
i like the stun effect on dio, especially if I'm not deep into dio
it's cool to have a cloud of enemies i dont have to worry about
carmine ravine
~~who doesn't simp for artemis?~~
people who simps for aphro like nyanya
cursive cradle
wait which one stuns?
rapid forum
modern garnet
the cloud from dio
uncut dagger
~~who doesn't simp for artemis?~~
people with no taste
cursive cradle
oh hmm. i mean i like the cloud but didnt know it had stun
carmine ravine
It does
high island
Trippy Shot is a good Cast, but if we're talking DPS, it doesn't come near Crush Shot.
cursive cradle
oh for sure
craggy barn
trippy is good for safety but yeah personally i just don't take it if i'm not doing a cast build
it's still very solid, but not a pick for me unless i'm feeling like a high-roll cast build
uncut dagger
I don't take it at all man I'm too stubborn to think about my safety
cursive cradle
for casts i usually prefer ares poseidon or athena
uncut dagger
for casts i usually prefer ares poseidon or athena
Athena?????
man this really puts into perspective how many casts I don't like
why Athena though?
peak zealot
Athena is really high damage
cursive cradle
ive always thought its decent damage
craggy barn
phalanx shot on poseidon is very, very good from what i hear
cursive cradle
like hers isnt my favorite. but its still decent
peak zealot
athena is second highest cast that sticks into enemies (after afrodite)
craggy barn
i have yet to try it out, i think i just really like crush shot lol
cursive cradle
building around ares... the one where the things follow people is amazing tho
peak zealot
athena is less damage than crush shot, but you gain the ability to deflect things and can hit things at range
uncut dagger
I dunno man I guess I've always valued the Status effect rather than the damage of Boons
that's probably why I really dislike Athena's, the Boon by itself is too situational to call it a good use of Reflect
cursive cradle
athena is less damage than crush shot, but you gain the ability to deflect thing...
yeah that too
high island
Phalanx Shot is speedrun meta on Poseidon Aspect currently.
peak zealot
makes sense
uncut dagger
Phalanx Shot is speedrun meta on Poseidon Aspect currently.
oh, good to know
peak zealot
its my go to for poseidon aspect
cursive cradle
I dunno man I guess I've always valued the Status effect rather than the damage ...
i usually value sustain and defense.
peak zealot
I'll make do with any other epic cast I get though
cursive cradle
just realized the run im doing I have 325 max hp... dont remember getting that
high island
Crush Shot is meta on Hera and Flood Flare on Beowulf.
peak zealot
I think the most health I've ever had was 500 and something
hera is the aspect that loads casts into attack right?
for bow
high island
Yes.
peak zealot
ya, hera crush hsot is phenominal
cursive cradle
why people like bow? what am I missing?
peak zealot
Base bow sucks
cursive cradle
ohhh