h1-discussion

[sacred tendon]

(wasn't sure, sry)

[manic moat]

imagine zagreus stuck in greece and he has to fight humans with guns and tanks and stuff

[sacred tendon]

by the way, can we take a second to "appreciate" how the adamant rail is just a nerf gun?

(...with grenades)

[brazen lagoon]

It's less of a nerf gun and more just a gun

Complete with grenade launchers

[modern garnet]

It shoots marshmellows!!

[sacred tendon]

puh- LEEZE
the shots don't even go as far as zagreus can throw varatha, and the bullets

yeah that

[craggy barn]

worry not, sooner or later you'll come to realize the absurd destructive capabilities of exagryph

hades modding is wild

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/829975407863398400/unknown.png

[hallow peak]

So you just gonna ignore the nice cork mod

Lol

Or the only zagreus one

[craggy barn]

people could be making new weapons if spriting wasn't such a major issue

[half zephyr]

modding isn't discussed in here >.>

[craggy barn]

"Hey Zagreus, man, nice cork."

[hallow peak]

You wanna talk about spriting after I mention only zagreus mod lol

[hallow peak]

The best part about isn’t even the line but that it was voiced and said by dionysus actual va

Is it odd that I find em4 theseus much easier than normal theseus

[half zephyr]

em3?

[hallow peak]

I usually focus on asterius and its ridiculous how many time he hits me with the spear

[half zephyr]

I know

I couldn't use em3 cuz low heat

and

I lost a dd

[hallow peak]

Or sometimes he will just follow me instead of going to another corner of the arena and smack me with the spear

[half zephyr]

to theseus

[hallow peak]

But with em4 theseus

[half zephyr]

[hallow peak]

He was so slow

[half zephyr]

em3

[hallow peak]

And he didn’t hit me once

[half zephyr]

em4 is not the heroes

[hallow peak]

Extreme measures 4

Oh yeah fair

I got ya

[half zephyr]

that's why we refer to the bosses by their actual em number

[hallow peak]

What really got me though was em 2 bone hydra

Took all my dd

[half zephyr]

gotta be prepared for the lava

[hallow peak]

Because the head bash was ridiculous

I could handle the laca

[half zephyr]

aah, I just dash away from the headbash

[hallow peak]

Its just because of the head bash And the less land I got hit alot by it

So I was constantly getting hit with 40 damage wallops

It sucked

[half zephyr]

my problem is that usually my room clearing dps doesn't go up much until elysium

and so the 2nd phase hits me hard cuz of how many heads there are with so little space

[hallow peak]

I got the dashing down also greatest reflex helped

[half zephyr]

it's just cheating with arthur tho

poor lernie

[hallow peak]

Silence

[half zephyr]

[hallow peak]

Arthur is a skill weapon do not lie

Lol

[half zephyr]

what

no

arthur is the easy one

[hallow peak]

It did get me into dodging better

Because slow speed

[half zephyr]

but

but

[hallow peak]

But?

[half zephyr]

you just get aphro or artie on attack..

[hallow peak]

Except I don’t usually use those

[half zephyr]

why

aphro is great

weak is great

[hallow peak]

Its usually demeter, ares, zeus, or artemis

But now

[half zephyr]

and charm is woo

[hallow peak]

Artemis has surpassed zeus

[half zephyr]

wait

I say to get artie on attack

[hallow peak]

So its demeter, ares, artemis, then zeus

[half zephyr]

and you say you don't use artie

[hallow peak]

I do

Just not as often

[half zephyr]

and then now you say you do usually use artie

[hallow peak]

I usually get demeter on attack

[half zephyr]

anyways, you put down the sigil

[hallow peak]

Pay attention

[half zephyr]

that cancels ground traps

[hallow peak]

Its the one I use the 3rd most

[half zephyr]

you can walk on the lava if the sigil is on top of it

you get either divine dash or divine flourish cuz it's a tank build

you get aphro or artie attack cuz high dmg boost or high crits

you get whatever for the rest really

my last run I had tidal dash, divine flourish, aphro attack, demeter cast, poseidon aid

[hallow peak]

I usually roll with demeter on attack for excalibur

To keep things slower than me

[half zephyr]

cursed slash (worst to get on arthur normally, but it just works for me)

[hallow peak]

Same

[half zephyr]

I usually hope to get the sigil upgrade hammer, but this time I got the normal special boost

which is cool

[hallow peak]

What is this sigil btw

[warm tide]

Hey guys quick q for yall, if I haven't got the materials from Heat 1, and I played Heat 4, will I get 3 copies of each?

[half zephyr]

I ended up with divine protection by the end of it & had the best paladin run ever

[narrow hemlock]

No

[half zephyr]

nope

you'll get the reward for heat 1

[hallow peak]

The only thing I know that cancels traps is the athena boon

[warm tide]

So effectively I have to beat every heat with every weapon/aspect?

[half zephyr]

it's the thing that appears on the ground when you use your first excalibur special

[warm tide]

also just saw the laser aspect, is that new?

[half zephyr]

it cancels all ground traps

[hallow peak]

That cancels traps

[half zephyr]

mhm

all of them

on the ground

[hallow peak]

How the heck did I never notice that

[half zephyr]

none will activate while it's there

[hallow peak]

And why isn’t that listed in its description

[half zephyr]

and if it's on lava you can walk on it

[hallow peak]

Or is it and I am a bufoon

[half zephyr]

yes

[narrow hemlock]

also no. there hasn't been any new content since full release

[half zephyr]

idk what you mean by new, it's 1.0?

[warm tide]

since nov. 2020

[half zephyr]

don't think it is, but you're effectively standing on holy ground so it makes sense

[hallow peak]

All I ever knew is it gave you a defense buff

[half zephyr]

think someone says it's cuz it was hard to see traps under it

[warm tide]

feel like had I seen that aspect I would've unlocked then and there or actually I think 4th aspect are hidden until something

[hallow peak]

And slowed enemies

[warm tide]

ty for info though

[hallow peak]

And projectiles

[half zephyr]

so they just made it cancel traps

[hallow peak]

Lucifer aspect if very fun

[half zephyr]

arthur to me is the easy aspect - luci is fun

and so

[warm tide]

it really is, first run with it now

is arthur the sword?

[half zephyr]

for my paladin runs my patron is Luci

[hallow peak]

Get ares special on it and thats alotta damage

[half zephyr]

mhm

[hallow peak]

Yep

[warm tide]

must be 4th aspect, will look afterwards

[half zephyr]

yup

there's a guide on how to get them in the pins in #h1-story-discussion

individually spoiler tagged

[hallow peak]

I feel arthur should be the first hidden aspect

[warm tide]

thanks!

[hallow peak]

Yes its easier than others

[half zephyr]

no, it'd be too op

[narrow hemlock]

fine i will go to bed since I keep getting beaten to the punch 😭

[half zephyr]

sowwy

[hallow peak]

But having guan yu as first hidden aspect revealed is... dumb

Its difficult and very much a skill weapon

So making it the first doesn’t make sense

[gray apex]

spin it to win it

[half zephyr]

you're not the first to say this tatz

and this is not the first server either

[hallow peak]

Gn

[half zephyr]

achilles

and dad even

[hallow peak]

So, I am talking about the first hidden aspect that should be recealed

Im saying making gaun yu the first doesn’t make sense

[half zephyr]

the spear is in the blood
and just achilles

[half zephyr]

sure it does, it's not meant to be that easy after all

[hallow peak]

Why... I don’t know whether to call that genius or strangle you

[half zephyr]

you have to earn it!

[half zephyr]

[narrow hemlock]

i can't type fast on mobile. i am currently in bed as it is, just poking through one last time

also as for guan yu being the first unlocked 4th, it was the first 4th aspect released in early access, it's not like the players had other choices. you don't have to use aspects as you unlock them either, and just having it revealed opens the other 4th aspects.

now cheers o/

[hallow peak]

Favorite spear aspect while we are talking about it

[half zephyr]

[half zephyr]

don't have one

I only have zag & GY atm XD

[craggy barn]

if the first hidden aspect was arthur people would easily be set for disappointment when they realize the other hidden aspects aren't quite as "overpowered" as excalibur just saying

[hallow peak]

Gn also yes I know didn’t know about it being the first early acces thank you

[half zephyr]

ye, that's what I said too!! it'd be too op!

[hallow peak]

Hades is good

The spear aspect

[half zephyr]

I'm a rebel teen

dad is last

just out of spite

[hallow peak]

I thought achilles one sounded cool what with the rushing to the spear

That just seemed cool but I haven’t used it yet

Despite having it unlocked

[hallow peak]

No kill him with his own spear

You are missing the best part

[half zephyr]

considering I barely use special & spin on spear neither achilles or hades are good aspects for me

[craggy barn]

hades seems cool, just that i have no idea how to build it outside of quick + massive spin lol

[half zephyr]

I hate using spin on spear

[hallow peak]

I usually use special as my main damage source

Say for example bone hydra

[half zephyr]

dash-strike

for moi

always

unless it's bow

[hallow peak]

i got doom attack and impending doom

[half zephyr]

too complicated a relationship that one..

[hallow peak]

Along with quick spin

And ricochet special

[craggy barn]

exploding launcher on hades seems GREAT because its damage is also affected by the debuff

[hallow peak]

I take out hydra heads with special

And waiting for hydra immunity to wear off

[half zephyr]

I only get doom if I plan to get dire misfortune

[hallow peak]

I stand infront of it charging special then let go

Then I throw special into its face several times for big damage

[half zephyr]

and as revenge dmg I guess

[hallow peak]

You should use doom more

[half zephyr]

don't try to tell me to do that

[hallow peak]

If you build alot around ares you can do some serious damage

[half zephyr]

I've used it more then you

[hallow peak]

How many hours?

[half zephyr]

140+

[hallow peak]

200 shush

[half zephyr]

but I meant

that I used to use only doom

[craggy barn]

doom on chaos shield is quite strong ngl

[hallow peak]

More now actuallt

Tbf that is a rough estimate

[half zephyr]

I didn't mean my play time

I meant I went out of my way to get ares just so I could get doom

but then I realised that aphro is better

[hallow peak]

Roughly 8 hours a day for roughly 2 months wait hang on

[half zephyr]

cuz you don't need to build so much with aphro vs doom

[hallow peak]

Let me think

[half zephyr]

I prefer ares cast now

[hallow peak]

Roughly 480 hours now

[half zephyr]

ye, I'm just a casual player of this game

[hallow peak]

Because I am a addict please send help

[half zephyr]

I have other way bigger interests

like reading & dramas & anime

[hallow peak]

I like reading

[half zephyr]

and I often babysit so I got no time to play during those times

[hallow peak]

Dang now you got me wanting to nerd out over christopher paolini

[half zephyr]

imagine babysitting for a week - you get around 1-2 hours free time at the end of the day

[hallow peak]

Inheritance series is criminally underrated

[half zephyr]

I didn't spend my free time on hades

but I do love hades

I've just got a giant backlog of games

and dramas..

and anime....

and books..

[brazen lagoon]

Too many things to do, not enough time

[hallow peak]

Wait

[half zephyr]

I don't have enough time on this earth to do it all

[hallow peak]

Shadow

Didn’t I see you talking earlier in the day

Its 2:38 am for me rn

How long have you been up

[half zephyr]

I'm currently reading 2 lightnovels, a book, a fanfic & a manga
while watching 2 anime & 3 dramas
and playing 4 different games

trying to divide the time is hell

[half zephyr]

I just woke up an hour ago 😗

[hallow peak]

Huh

[brazen lagoon]

Talk about multitasking sheesh

[hallow peak]

Could have swore I saw you active at like 3:00 pm

[half zephyr]

uhm..

[hallow peak]

Or around that time

[half zephyr]

I went to sleep around.. 2 am?

[hallow peak]

I think i’m becoming delusional

[half zephyr]

slept little over 6h

[hallow peak]

Curse this ADHD brain

[half zephyr]

my brain being ADHD is the only reason I can manage my multitasking

[hallow peak]

Shouldn’t that be the opposite

[half zephyr]

oh ye, I forgot to mention the let's play I'm watching too 😗

[hallow peak]

Lol

[half zephyr]

huh?

no

[hallow peak]

Well its not that way for me

[half zephyr]

it's what lets me jump from 1 thing to the other while still remembering where I am \0/

It's hard for me to function without multitasking

[hallow peak]

Oop

Forgot

[half zephyr]

I have to usually do at least 2 things at once

well, hades

cuz now it's sidetracked again oop

[hallow peak]

Several things running through my head at once makes multitasking a pain

[half zephyr]

aah

good luck

[manic moat]

I find it difficult to focus on one thing too

[hallow peak]

Shoot I get upset when people talk to me when i am doing somethinf

[half zephyr]

I hope my next run goes well

[manic moat]

good luck

[half zephyr]

maybe I should do that now instead of reading

let's

[hallow peak]

Like my brain has to stop my body so I can listen to them

Really is annoying with my mother because she always goes “work while you talk”

Or “why can’t you do that and listen”

[half zephyr]

my attempt at stopping the derailment failed

[hallow peak]

Despite her also being ADHD she forgets I have the same problems she did often

[half zephyr]

it didn't go back to hades as planned

sad

[hallow peak]

Gn everyone though

[half zephyr]

plans never survive contact with the battlefield though!

[hallow peak]

Remind me to rant about christopher paolini in 8 hours shadow lol

[half zephyr]

gaah my plan to always exit on this song is the greatest ever

such an epic way to start the game

[fast laurel]

doesa anyone else like zag sword

[half zephyr]

I don't really use it anymore

[modern garnet]

Zag aspects always seem a bit... underwhelming

Zag fists tho...

[half zephyr]

ye

was about to say

zag fist

[modern garnet]

I maxed out zag spear because I misread it

[half zephyr]

I have max zag spear

it's the spear I use most

but then again

it's either that or GY

oh look

chaos legendary

[modern garnet]

I'm not a fan of spear special tbh

Chaos leg? Whats the downside this time

[half zephyr]

take 24% more dmg

for 4 runs

[modern garnet]

That's rough buddy

[half zephyr]

huh

that's nothing

I don't even notice it

I have athena cuz I'm on bow

[modern garnet]

You're too cool to get hit i guess

[half zephyr]

no, I just deflect 😗

[modern garnet]

Athena atk or special?

[half zephyr]

atk & dash

[modern garnet]

Ohohoh

[brazen lagoon]

I like zag bow quite a bit

[modern garnet]

Hope you get witches room with that build

[craggy barn]

zag bow is underrated smh

[modern garnet]

What does zag bow do again?

[brazen lagoon]

15% crit chance

[modern garnet]

Oh yeah I ran that a few times

Gotta go with arte for hunters mark clean kill

[brazen lagoon]

Mhm

[half zephyr]

hmm

not sure how I feel about this title

"Death Defier"

then again

I used up 8 DD this run

so

I guess it is a well deserved one

ooh

Hades was the 10th most downloaded game on switch in march

[half zephyr]

now that I'm thinking back on that bow run, I'm starting to wonder if I just have the worst case of karmatic rng with the bow..

I choose gods pride over legacy & end up getting chaos legendary offered.
When I think back on my previous bow runs, ever since I unlocked the charon fight, I've always gotten it when I run bow (& like a sucker, I go for it every time).
I used 8 DD total during the run, but I also finished with 91 hp left, which is pretty good for me using bow (esp with new heat lvl)

hmmm...

also, I tried going for special build this time, and instead got drowned with attack buffs -_-
last run I tried going for attack, but instead ended up with a special build..

The bow exists to fight against my wishes

[signal aspen]

epic 8 DD action

[half zephyr]

well

I had 4

but I kept losing them

[signal aspen]

patty gave you 4 more?

[half zephyr]

first I had 3, then I had 2, then I got chaos legendary (on hold), then I lost 2 to ministerius

got chaos' & then patty appeared

[signal aspen]

epic

[half zephyr]

so I had 4

then I lost 2 to heroes cuz it wasn't em3 & I still can't get used to that pattern again after so long

then I got 1 back with athena

hmm, maybe I lost 9

cuz I lost that one in styx

and then I had 2 left & lost those to dad

it was a very back & forth run with the dds

[inland field]

Holy...the most i used were five and only because of Pat

[signal aspen]

so basically you are unkillable

[half zephyr]

so I can see why my title was "Death Defier"

I got very lucky with Patty

without Patty I'd have lost my streak that run

[inland field]

I mostly lose mine in elysium or in the temple of styx

[signal aspen]

i know how that feels like

[half zephyr]

mhmm

patty the real MVP

[rare hull]

Oh about yesterday's thing, it does keep track of God Mode runs and Normal runs seperately. Noticed that while playing today. Thanks Aggy!

[untold geyser]

oh boy

not looking forward to increasing the Heat on Hell Mode

I better have some cheap builds ready

so I guess I should be grinding Darkness for the Mirror instead?

[high island]

I'd just go up in Heat for bounties and get practice and any resources that way.

But farming for your mirror first works, too.

Whatever you prefer.

[untold geyser]

Runs get frustrating when you have crap chamber rewards and boons all the time

no duos ever

[vapid narwhal]

dark foresight and god's legacy help

[untold geyser]

need lotsa darkness for that effect

[vapid narwhal]

yeah 15k total or something like that

[untold geyser]

4K for the two skills

I already have the former I think, so only 2,5K

the last mirror ability is the really expensive one

[high island]

Learning how to get better builds more reliably is part of the experience.

[manic moat]

you can't just "git gud" in terms of getting builds can you

you just have to deal with the options and pick the best out of them

[untold geyser]

it takes skill tbh

[grand crystal]

you can learn how to do good with garbage luck tho :3

thats something thats really important in rogue likes

being able to make a bad situation less bad

[untold geyser]

what's the weakest you can possibly be in Hades?

I want to see somebody win a first Hell Mode run with the poorest luck / choices

must be doable with absurdly skilful playing

[high island]

If you watch any top player and then watch any more average player, you can see their builds are way stronger way more reliably.

[untold geyser]

technically, you don't HAVE to get hit ever

not going for too much helps in terms of builds

e.g. if you go for Dionysus/Ares/Artemis/Aphrodite on a hangover run, you're likely to end up without essential skills by having high expectations and trying to get everything (all duos etc)

[high island]

?

[untold geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUucHGobp_E

lmao

how lucky do you need to be to get Merciful End in Tartarus on a first run?

[grand crystal]

very

ive tried fresh file before

and ive gotten ME like twice

and only once out of tart

[untold geyser]

I get destroyed in Tartarus

usually on Megara, sometimes before

[grand crystal]

i made it to dad twice

[high island]

Not very lucky at all. You simply reset until you get it.

[grand crystal]

out of a lot of my tries

[untold geyser]

you always get Athena dash before any other boons, right

so the RNG is not against you, at least

you want Special for ME, though

[high island]

You want Divine Flourish first.

She'll offer you 3 out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.

[untold geyser]

oh I thought Dash was guaranteed

[high island]

Nope. You're guaranteed 3 out of the 4 priority boons, but the 3 are picked at random.

[manic moat]

fr? I genuinely thought it was the same 3 boons every time

and that it was attack cast and dash

[grand crystal]

yea thats what i always got :/

[slow plank]

technical question

does breaching slash apply to dash attack?

ive never understood if standard attack mods affect dash consistently or not

ah nvm says on wiki im a stupid mcgee

[sturdy sphinx]

Howdy everyone. What are some of your favorite Chiron bow boons? I had a clear yesterday with a demeter on it and it shred but I never got the 10 freeze burst on it unfortunately. I'm half through a run with artemis special which is pretty great for single target destruction but hard to tell what the ideal set up is

[dusky wedge]

Mmm, Hunter’s Mark and Clean Kill could work well

Some PS status effects would be nice too on attack and cast

[high island]

Go-to builds for Chiron are Low Tolerance with Heartbreak Strike + Drunken Flourish and Heart Rend with Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish.

[half zephyr]

nyaanyaa!!

[high island]

Those have proven most effective at high heat. But a lot of things can work.

[half zephyr]

I shall soon embark on a new crusade

[high island]

Shadow!!

[half zephyr]

may my blade be cursed yet again

[high island]

The Curse of Agony is always an option to ensure it.

[sturdy sphinx]

@high island yeah I didn't realize drunken flourish stacked with each arrow I'm going to try this next run

[half zephyr]

true..

hmm

maybe

[high island]

A picture of innocence.

[half zephyr]

[high island]

Defender of the strong and guilty.

[half zephyr]

moment of truth

hammer nr 1

alas

but I got greater consecration!

so far I got greater consecration, rare aphro attack lvl 3 (+101% atk dmg), athena special (+60% sp dmg), true shot lvl 2 (122 cast dmg) & parting shot (bonus backstab +35%)

looks like I'll be a champion for Love & Justice this time around

[high island]

Perfect! 💕

[half zephyr]

now my cast deals 151

woo

deadly reversal

heheh

now I can expose them for who they really are!

Heart rend! woo

[brisk trail]

which twin fist aspect is better, demeter or talos?

[signal aspen]

demeter

[half zephyr]

depends on who you ask

[signal aspen]

insane damage

[deft shell]

Demeter for damage. But I like Talos for the control

[brisk trail]

fair enough

aight imma try demeter

its not that important, just needed to invest some titan blood for the hidden aspect

[signal aspen]

nah dont do that

hidden aspect trash

[half zephyr]

lol

maybe they want it for the prophecy

[deft shell]

Demeter needs more blood investment to be good. Talos is fine with just one level

[half zephyr]

or just to try it

[brisk trail]

yeah prophecy

[signal aspen]

ok

[brisk trail]

i dont even know what it does tbh

[half zephyr]

hey, do continue my arthur insanity

I'm now trying FO1 with it

[signal aspen]

i cant tell the difference between fo1 and fo0

[half zephyr]

em2 was more chaotic

the rest of the mobs seem easier so far

[rare hull]

Goal achieved
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557565251537731595/830098511194095687/Hades_68_1.png

[signal aspen]

blue

[half zephyr]

I've only had disciple of Ares

[high island]

Demeter > Zagreus > Talos > 4th Fists.

[rare hull]

I was trying to get this title so badly just for uncle Poseidon

[deft shell]

Talos > Zagreus though

[signal aspen]

talos is zag fists with a cool special animation

[deft shell]

Who needs dodge chance lol, just don't get hit

[half zephyr]

THAN

[signal aspen]

who needs a damage boost, just hit them more

[half zephyr]

"I'll write this one off"
Score:
Than - 4
Zag - 25

[deft shell]

Hitting them more means it takes more time though

[signal aspen]

it was a joke

[deft shell]

🤣

[signal aspen]

what

[deft shell]

Those are laughing emojis. I'm laughing at the joke

[signal aspen]

ok

[brisk trail]

does 1 boss fight count as 1 encounter?

like the entire fight all phases?

[signal aspen]

yes

wait no

it depends on how many phases there are

[half zephyr]

WOO

Unhealthy fixation!

[brisk trail]

so wait how many encounters is the hades fight

[signal aspen]

meg=4
alecto=4
tis=4

hades=2

[brisk trail]

wait really meg fight is considered more phases than hades?

[signal aspen]

no

each boss is 1 encounter

[brisk trail]

or more encounters my bad

[deft shell]

What? I don't think bosses count as multiple encounters (if you're counting for chaos/charon item expirations)

[signal aspen]

every room with enemies is an encounter

[signal aspen]

another joke

[brisk trail]

ok so a companion will not work multiple times in a boss fight

[signal aspen]

no

[brisk trail]

no matter what

[signal aspen]

only once

[brisk trail]

ok makes sense

thank you

[signal aspen]

also meg cant be used during the furies fight

[brisk trail]

yeah its chill i got mort

[signal aspen]

ok

[deft shell]

🤣 👌 😹

[half zephyr]

and you have to unlock the ability to use some of them against dad

[rare hull]

Mort > Battie

[half zephyr]

cuz they don't wanna fight their employer

[rare hull]

I'll rank the companions like
Mort > Bouldy > Rib > Fidi > Battie > Antos

[signal aspen]

bruh why battie so low

why rib so high

[grand crystal]

yea like battie is used by high heat and speedrunners :/

like imo battie > mort > antos > fidi > shady > rib

fidi and shady are interchangeable there

[signal aspen]

battie > shady > mort > antos > fidi > rib

[rare hull]

I don't know, Battie doesn't seem that handy for me

[half zephyr]

wha

[grand crystal]

battie literally makes several miniboss rooms a cakewalk

[signal aspen]

how

[half zephyr]

it's instant 2500 dmg

[signal aspen]

it makes everything easier

[grand crystal]

like sneak goes so fast

[half zephyr]

or smth

it's supah fast

[grand crystal]

and butterfly ball gets stupid easy

and it makes styx mini's with mm a lot easier to handle

[half zephyr]

w mort you have to time it

[grand crystal]

yea mort takes effort

and luck

[rare hull]

Mort gives me the perfect amount of time to lure my enemies in

Be it Hydra or Megs or Papa

[grand crystal]

tfw you use mort but then the miniboss just moves out if it 😔

[signal aspen]

meg can one shot the hydra phase instantly

[grand crystal]

^^yea s p e e d

and like with cp you just have to tap it

[half zephyr]

dad tended to move out of morts circle when I was using it

[rare hull]

I had the same with Megs lol

[half zephyr]

so it was a wasted companion

[rare hull]

He does that spin attack

[half zephyr]

w battie it's so fast he doesn't have time

[signal aspen]

at the end of the spin attack use meg

easy 2500 damage

[grand crystal]

thats just bad timing on your end tbh :/

i only ever use companions when he's in 2nd phase lasers

so they physically cant miss

[half zephyr]

I feel cheated

I only got offered 1 hammer

[signal aspen]

rip

[half zephyr]

well, I'll have to abandon this run anyways

got no way to win

I'm down to 5hp cuz I didn't get my cursed slash

oh well

[grand crystal]

cursed slash bad and no one can change my mind

it doesnt work with dash attacks

thus garbage

[half zephyr]

cursed slash works for me

[signal aspen]

yeah

[half zephyr]

it clicks in my mind

[signal aspen]

but i will take cursed slash over guan yu any day

[grand crystal]

its like playing with the gy health pool but without what makes gy fun imo

[half zephyr]

nothing makes GY fun

[grand crystal]

then you havent had good builds with it :/

like

it can be very fun

[half zephyr]

I don't like spin on spear

[grand crystal]

charged skewer arte special

[grand crystal]

you dont have to really :/

[half zephyr]

and without that all you do is lose health

[grand crystal]

also how thats most of the spears dps in any form unless is achilles

[half zephyr]

so what's the point

[grand crystal]

dont get hit

charged skewer arte special 😎

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

and getting quick spin is epic

[half zephyr]

I don't spin on spear

I dash-strike

[brisk trail]

i swear i dont get the combo on the fists

i hateusing them it feewls like they keep starting on something different so i never knwo when to upper cut

[signal aspen]

hold attack, dash attack, hold attack, dash attack

[grand crystal]

you cant really dis a weapon when you dont even use part of it :/

[half zephyr]

which fists?

[half zephyr]

I don't spin, cuz I've tried it

and I didn't like it

that's why I don't spin

it's the same reason I can say I know bow doesn't work for me - I have all bow aspects maxed & I've tried them all

I'm not saying spear doesn't work for me cuz I've yet to try them all there

but I do know I don't like to use spin on spear

[signal aspen]

on chiron you dont even have to charge your bow for it to be good

[half zephyr]

it messes up my flow when fighting

having to suddenly stand still

when all I wanna do is move move move

[signal aspen]

dash strike

[half zephyr]

yes, that's what I said I used

[signal aspen]

ah frick

[grand crystal]

its one of those things you have to learn when its best to use and when it isnt

you cant just throw it out

[half zephyr]

but that doesn't change the fact that I don't like it

I still use the bow even though I'd rather not

[grand crystal]

theres literally a gy build where you will only be pressing special ;w;

and take ares on attack and dash attack

thats a solid guan yu build that isnt spin heavy

[half zephyr]

you won't manage to sell me on GY

so please stop trying

I don't like losing my hp

and starting with less

[grand crystal]

YOU PLAY WITH CURSED SLASH WDYM

[signal aspen]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????

[half zephyr]

only on arthur

[signal aspen]

THATS EVEN WORSE

[grand crystal]

^^yea

since its slow as hell

[half zephyr]

it works for me is what I said

it's fun for me

[signal aspen]

theres no hope @grand crystal

[half zephyr]

I'm not saying you have to do it

[grand crystal]

but you cant really say something makes it not fun when you play with that same not fun mechanic on a worse setup :/

like

its just a bit hypocritical

[half zephyr]

they are different though

one is on a weapon I enjoy & like playing

the other on one where I'm still not comfortable with it

[signal aspen]

how many hours do you have on hades?

[half zephyr]

140+

[signal aspen]

bruh

[restive pilot]

cursed slash would work so well if you could ah.. hit fast, like really fast yeah

[signal aspen]

arthur

[grand crystal]

yea like any other sword that isnt arthur

[restive pilot]

yep that's what i mean

it's not an arthur build

unless you like challenge 🙂

[grand crystal]

like a funny thing ive been thinking of is flurry + cursed on zag sword and go for hermes attack speed

[half zephyr]

I'm not saying it's an arthur build

I'm saying it's a fun thing for me

where I can go around pretending I'm a fallen paladin with the patron Lucifer

[restive pilot]

My first run through styx was with zag aspect & cursed slash

[signal aspen]

epic 6 health per combo

[grand crystal]

and even with thick skin on arthur you have like <75 hp :/

while gy starts you on 50 with thick skin

and is a better aspect objectively

[half zephyr]

I die when I don't have cursed slash on arthur though

[grand crystal]

how :/

[half zephyr]

I can't get hp back

that's how

[azure ridge]

@sturdy sphinx salbage

[grand crystal]

ah yes my 6 per combo that takes forever to really come out

[signal aspen]

what is wrong with that

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh yeah you should play this game actually

[azure ridge]

i just might

i need to install hunt too

[signal aspen]

be careful, it is addicting

[half zephyr]

know what, forget it

it's not fun here anymore

ttyl

[azure ridge]

[quasi pond]

i am relative new, a question
what is the best secret aspect ??

[azure ridge]

idk

[signal aspen]

arthur with cursed slash

[grand crystal]

well technically there isnt a best

everything works

but you see spear, shield, and bow used a lot at high tier play

im a personal fan of bow hidden

[restive pilot]

things only start becoming harder to use at higher heats

[signal aspen]

my favorite secret aspect is probably beowulf rn

[grand crystal]

^^yea, some weapons come out as better at high heat

[restive pilot]

you can use anything when you're just going for clears imo

[signal aspen]

just hard for me to get a good build with it because i have bad rng

[grand crystal]

like rama compared to something like zag aspects

[quasi pond]

i wanna used beowolf

[grand crystal]

mhm the second you start slapping on heat or speedrunning only a few weapons work well

[sturdy sphinx]

I love when I join a place and someone says it's not fun anymore because that means I got here just in time

[restive pilot]

Beo pairs very well with Aphrodite for isntance, it has high damage and normally can't hit since its short range is prohibitive. But with Beowulf it can be really useful

[signal aspen]

nah it just means that the people in the chat are annoying

[grand crystal]

ahh another great beo build is dio cast

[azure ridge]

me

[brisk trail]

wait why does mort not work agaisnt hades

[signal aspen]

because he works for hades

than

[sturdy sphinx]

I'm just joking around ha having a laugh ha

[signal aspen]

meg, than, dusa, and achilles work for hades

[brisk trail]

oh my god that is cringe

wtf

[signal aspen]

so you cant use them against him

[brisk trail]

wait so only skelly works against hades!?

how cringe

what a waste of ambrosia

[signal aspen]

nah

bouldy works against hades

[sturdy sphinx]

What does uh, extremely measures heat thing do for hades I've only used it up to theseus and bull

[signal aspen]

3rd phase

health regen

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh no haha

[signal aspen]

cerb comes to kill you

harder enemies

double spin

he throws his spear at you now

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah I think I'll hold off on that one for a bit

[quasi pond]

bouldy is better dad than HADES

[rare hull]

Self heals

[signal aspen]

i just said that

[quasi pond]

[rare hull]

@.@

[brisk trail]

ecksdeee

[restive pilot]

||it's an insane fight. hades is much more aggro. with yeah 3rd phase, health regen. pulls in minibosses to fight. throws spear. +1500 health regen constantly in 2nd and 3rd phase. more green pots. usually people will stop at EM3 for high heat runs because Hades EM is a run ender so often||

[signal aspen]

ive never actually died to em4 but i have gotten very close to dying to it

[brisk trail]

huh thats weird

i alt f4ed my game but it didnt go to the last save

[quasi pond]

You know, I really would like to see helios as the new god to give blessings and hercules as the boss.

[brisk trail]

it just

[signal aspen]

like <50 hp

[brisk trail]

deleted the entire run

[grand crystal]

yea thats how it works

the only times it saves is if the room is cleared, you just entered the room, or youre in a safe room

otherwise it acts as if the run never started

[brisk trail]

yeah idk i figured if i alt 4ed the hades fight

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh the uh, emote has a swearword in it

[brisk trail]

it would bring be back to styx or something

[sturdy sphinx]

Oops

[restive pilot]

I've died to Em4 a few times, i had some misplaced mirror skills. switching from the +50% dodgechance&dmg on near miss to +1 dash made the game a lot easier

[sturdy sphinx]

[quasi pond]

bouldy watches you and judges your carnal sins

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh I haven't gotten second mirror yet

[brisk trail]

what do you guys think is the best weapon to defeat charon

[signal aspen]

bruh how and why

[sturdy sphinx]

Idk and can I just... Get it?

I'm kinda playing blind

[quasi pond]

beowolf maybe

[grand crystal]

there really isnt an answer to that :/

thats a fight that is more you knowing the fight and the game than just having the best weapon for it

since every boss is equally beatable with each weapon in a way

[signal aspen]

especially arthur with cursed slash

[brisk trail]

is arthur with cursed slash any good?

[grand crystal]

god no

[brisk trail]

i figured itd be trash

[grand crystal]

its not good at all

[signal aspen]

its great

[brisk trail]

yeah ok good i was like holup

cause you get like 0 healing

[grand crystal]

you lose the massive health pool only to get a garbage heal on a slow attack

6 health per attack string

and that string takes like 2 seconds

and is laggy

cursed slash tbh isnt even that good of a hammer

[sturdy sphinx]

I had such a good exagryph build going and accidentally challenged charon

[restive pilot]

any shield helps a lot, chaos in particular would be my angle

[sturdy sphinx]

I didn't know..m

[restive pilot]

being able to block is so strong

[grand crystal]

it is yea

[signal aspen]

not with chaos

[grand crystal]

i say zeus is best shield :3

since you can still act when the special is out

[signal aspen]

most of the time when you are playing with chaos you are just waiting for the shield to come back

[grand crystal]

plus if you set it up right its constant damage

shield overall is just a beginner friendly weapon

[restive pilot]

while true, that's when you cast

[sturdy sphinx]

My first clear was shield yeaj

[signal aspen]

what

cast

[sturdy sphinx]

But wait, how do I get second mirror

[brisk trail]

yall whats up with the beowulf aspect

the wiki is suepr unclear

i dont get whats special

[restive pilot]

wym

[signal aspen]

"when you cast"

you mean when you throw your shield

[restive pilot]

attack, dash, throwshield, cast 1 or 2 times, recover shield

[grand crystal]

cast isnt a strong damage option unless you build exclusivley for it :/

[signal aspen]

2 cast does not equal 100% damage

[restive pilot]

as you don't have another attack option

[grand crystal]

or just dont use chaos

use zeus

[restive pilot]

wym

[grand crystal]

so you get to be able to act when the special is out

and has better dps i think

[restive pilot]

huh

[signal aspen]

and most of the time 50% damage boost does not work with my chaos builds

[restive pilot]

why is that relevant

[signal aspen]

i use ares and dio builds

[restive pilot]

do you just not cast

what

[signal aspen]

casts are pretty much useless with my chaos builds

[restive pilot]

what

[grand crystal]

you load your casts into the shield so at the end of your bull rush they all pop

[signal aspen]

ares and dio

not affected by the cast damage boost

[brisk trail]

ah alright makes sense

thank you!

[grand crystal]

np :3

[restive pilot]

casting is strong and takes almost no time to throw one or two of them into an attack combo

[sturdy sphinx]

What do you guys think best divine aid skill is? I usually just turn into blade and camp bosses with it but demeter was also good and the one time I used artemis is did crazy damage to bone hydra

[restive pilot]

so i'm going to use them

[signal aspen]

you can use them but i am not

[grand crystal]

depends

[restive pilot]

sure lol

[grand crystal]

zeus is great for dps and is more spammy of a call

[signal aspen]

poseidon, athena, and hades

[grand crystal]

while aphro and arte are also strong, but need to be full

[signal aspen]

yeah and zeus

[brisk trail]

yo i swear those are the aids i hate the most

[restive pilot]

like Poseidon cast paired with rupture or whatever is well worth the .2s it takes to cast for instance

[brisk trail]

i always go for either ares

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah I guess the thing about this game is most builds are viable which is cool

[brisk trail]

or for artemis to get that damage in

[signal aspen]

ares is fine

[sturdy sphinx]

I had no luck with zeus

[grand crystal]

but imo casts are useless to grab unless you need duo reqs or are running a cast build

[brisk trail]

theres this one legendary boon that increases damage for continous hits with a blade rift

and it makes ares' aid incredibly powerful

[signal aspen]

ares is sorta useful for the invulnerability but not good for damage

[grand crystal]

yea the ares legendary vicious cycle

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah I've ran that before it was great

[restive pilot]

pair that with the ares cast boon which makes it track targets and last longer

[grand crystal]

ive ran hunting blades with vicious cycle on achilles spear 😎

[sturdy sphinx]

It's just an easy one that actually does insane damage on bosses but I was trying to diversify

[signal aspen]

bruh with ares aid YOU are the blade rift

[brisk trail]

oh my god yes i love that duo

[restive pilot]

i know. but like. we're still talking ares blade rifts

it's relevant

[signal aspen]

ok

[restive pilot]

slightly tangential

but relevant

[sturdy sphinx]

I don't really like any other blade rift things except for the aid

[signal aspen]

try ares cast with achilles spear

[grand crystal]

the aid for me is a "eh i have nothing else to take"

[sturdy sphinx]

@grand crystal same

But I've been surprised at max gauge damage actually

[grand crystal]

oh yea ive nuked last half of 2nd phase hades with arte aid :3

[sturdy sphinx]

Saved me from death a couple times against theseus and bull

[grand crystal]

his health just went

https://tenor.com/view/peace-dueces-fadeaway-gif-14327700

it was great

just 1/2 of his health

g o n e

[brisk trail]

i gotta say idk what im doing wrong but im really not enjoying aspect of beowulf

[grand crystal]

ahh yea it doesnt feel good to me either :3

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah! When I read the description the numbers seemed eh but in practice it actually shreds

[brisk trail]

wait holdup does it even block!?

[restive pilot]

I've actually really enjoyed fighting em3 Theseus&Asterius because Thes calls gods at something near 1/3 hp instead of 1/2 hp. So much easier to nuke him then

[grand crystal]

it does

[brisk trail]

he doesnt put his shield in front anymore

ok good

i was so confused cause he puts it to the side

[grand crystal]

at least it should

[sturdy sphinx]

I'm still super new I only have Chiron bow and chaos shield unlocked

[grand crystal]

._.

those both take a lot of investment to get good

[brisk trail]

shield is a good starter weapon though to be fair

[signal aspen]

you should probably get out of this chat then

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah I've dumped all my blood into them

[signal aspen]

a bunch of spoilers are coming

[brisk trail]

like you can block everything

OOP

that

[sturdy sphinx]

🤷‍♀️

[signal aspen]

oh ok

[brisk trail]

oh well

if you mind spoilers #h1-for-new-players might be better

if you dont, feel free to stick around and talk!

[sturdy sphinx]

I'm not too worried

I'm mostly just trying to optimize

What should I go for next? Achilles spear?

[grand crystal]

achilles spear takes a bit to really shine too

[signal aspen]

achilles spear is great

[grand crystal]

i feel like pos sword, nem sword, hera bow, all dont take much at all to be super good

zeus shield also doesnt take much

[sturdy sphinx]

I was toying with hera bow but I still don't like building around casts

[signal aspen]

zeus shield is literally just attack, special, attack, special, attack, special

[signal aspen]

what cast were you using

[weak spruce]

nah

zeus shield actually requires micromanaging the special attack

[sturdy sphinx]

@signal aspen I mean toying with the idea of getting it I actually don't have it unlocked 😢

[weak spruce]

and that's not easy

[signal aspen]

bruh what

[sturdy sphinx]

But I mostly use festive fog on my runs

[terse seal]

i was struggling with hades

its my 3rd time killing him

[signal aspen]

just know that festive fog is not that good with hera

[terse seal]

7 to go

[sturdy sphinx]

10-4

I'll prob pick a different weapon next anyways since I already have a bow aspect unlocked

So maybe pos sword or achilles spear

[signal aspen]

what does that even mean

[restive pilot]

Oh em3 theseus has more hp than standard

so it may not matter

[sturdy sphinx]

Oh it means like, affirmative

Yes

Okay

[signal aspen]

i have never heard that before

[restive pilot]

10-4 is like super common

in the us at least

[sturdy sphinx]

Truck drivers use it. It's like transit code but it also gets used in regular life sometimes

[signal aspen]

im not a truck driver

[grand crystal]

im in vegas and i never hear that :/

[grand crystal]

moood

[restive pilot]

prob as well known as "roger" used to mean "affirmative"

[sturdy sphinx]

Not a truck driver...yet

[signal aspen]

oh no

[sturdy sphinx]

Anyways okay I have to farm a bunch of titan blood before I even unlock anything else anyways

[restive pilot]

according to wiki, EM3 theseus has 12000 hp compared to 9000 standard.
Theseus calls gods at 4500hp in the standard fight (1/2 hp) while he calls gods at 4000hp in the EM3 fight (1/3 hp).
it's not placebo after all, he is just slightly less healthy when he calls gods in EM3

[brisk trail]

damn i hate the aspect of beowulf

just lost 2 DDs to the furies

i havnt lost a DD in tartarus in 15 runs

not even using guan yu

[signal aspen]

bruh how

what cast are you using

and how are you playing

[brisk trail]

trippy shot

idk man the shield just feels bad

and cumbersome

slow and annoying

i feel so immobile

[signal aspen]

what hammer do you have

[brisk trail]

the ranged shot thingy

[signal aspen]

bruh that is the best one for beowulf

[brisk trail]

yeah idk man but its physically hurting my soul to be using this aspect

[sturdy sphinx]

dont get beowulf ✍️

[brisk trail]

idk if ill even make it to hades

i also have a heat of 11 but like

[signal aspen]

how are you playing?

[sturdy sphinx]

Lol

[signal aspen]

like what is your attack pattern

[brisk trail]

im using the ranged shot a lot

barely anything else

unless its like not grouped up enemies

[signal aspen]

how often do you dash?

[brisk trail]

then i charge in with attack

oh i dont think i ever stop pressing dash LMAO

i dont use that much strategy in hades cause anytime i do it just feels like i get hit, spamming dash has always just been more effective

[signal aspen]

spamming dash means that you wont be able to dodge anything

[brisk trail]

eh its worked well enough for 50 runs so far

which is why i didnt have much reason to actually attempt at fighting strategically in a pattern

[signal aspen]

explains a lot

[sturdy sphinx]

Just ask hermes for + 3

[signal aspen]

hermes never gives that

[sturdy sphinx]

Me and hermes are close

[brisk trail]

i love getting like 5 dashes

especially with the ares dash

😍

[signal aspen]

ares dash is fine

i find that the blades do literally nothing

[sturdy sphinx]

Yeah that's been my experience with all ares blade boons except aid

[brisk trail]

i just died to lernie

[signal aspen]

epic

[brisk trail]

because of the aspect of beowulf

[signal aspen]

good job

[brisk trail]

ive had a streak of 15

up until now

[signal aspen]

bruh

[brisk trail]

LMAO god i hate that aspect so much

at least guan yu can heal you

[signal aspen]

you think you have it bad

i lost my streak of 200

but it was kinda my fault tho

[brisk trail]

jesus

streak of 200

[signal aspen]

yeah

[brisk trail]

howd you manage to messup

[signal aspen]

i killed myself to prepare for 32 heat

then i did it first try

SO THERE WAS NO POINT OF KILLING MYSELF

[brisk trail]

you killed yourself on purpose?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[brisk trail]

but why?

[signal aspen]

i thought i was gonna die to 32 heat

so i just got it over with

[brisk trail]

so you were like screw this ill kill myself before i get killed

[signal aspen]

yeah

i was 99% sure i was gonna die to 32 heat

but then i didnt

[brisk trail]

aight trying again without heat

[signal aspen]

so now im here

[brisk trail]

makes sense

im guessing i should take charged shot again

[gray apex]

32 heat all aspects

do it

right now

[signal aspen]

yeah

imma do 20 heat all aspects next

then 32

or all weapons i should say

i dont wanna do all aspects yet

its just gonna take a long time

[gray apex]

rip

[sturdy sphinx]

200 streak lmao wow

Okay yeah I'm very new

[inner field]

Just met Meg my first boss fight

I almost beat her in first try