the entire thing is that after 10 escapes its open now
#h1-discussion
grand crystal
peak zealot
he means the surface world garden
peak zealot
and frankly, I agree. I think it would be cool if the garden could be maintained and fished and stuff and got better and better looking as you got a higher successful run streak
or hell, have a persephone boss fight. That would be fun
grand crystal
where would she appear tho if she died ;w;
since she isnt bound to hell like zag and dad
peak zealot
she goes to the underworld when she dies, like everyone else. or it could be like a charon fight where she doesn't die
have the devs said if they plan to add any new trinkets/characters in future updates?
compact badger
She could hide in the pool then wait for a few peeps to be in the hall.
Leave the pool acting surprised.
Everybody and everything freaks out 🙀
grand crystal
she goes to the underworld when she dies, like everyone else. or it could be lik...
asterius and theseus dont go there tho :/
otherwise thered be dialogue about it
compact badger
They're shades already or something. Elysium is their place
modern arch
Ooh Hades won? :D
brisk trail
does athenas dash give more i frames?
undone oar
um just for fun tag me in some hades food pics
i mean if you see any food in hades just post the photo here i guess
grand crystal
does athenas dash give more i frames?
technically
it gives you deflect frames which are better than i frames
since it deals damage :3
peak zealot
@brisk trail I don't think so, but if it deflects an attack, you won't be hit by it even if it would have hit you if you hadn't deflected it
grand crystal
there are times where i feel like i only didnt get hit because of deflect dash
peak zealot
which can happen
broken marsh
grand crystal
peak zealot
if an attack hitbox is up for 0.1 seconds and your defelct is up for the first half of that 0.1 seconds, then you will deflect the attack and not get hit, but without the athena dash, you would get hit because the hit box would still be up when your iframes run out @grand crystal
grand crystal
so yea it does make dashes safer and more powerful :3
peak zealot
yes, but it doens't technically give more iframes, even though it basically does
lost meadow
can someone give me the guanyu pill
i've done 32 heat with other weapons but i can barely complete a heatless with that
grand crystal
try to get arte special and charged skewer
and hearts have lots of priority
athena attack is also nice since the spin becomes a deflect circle
quick spin is another good hammer
and nourished soul is pretty good with it since it buffs the spin
peak zealot
or just accept that the weapon sucks and don't use it
lost meadow
or just accept that the weapon sucks and don't use it
does it really ?? i've seen some people here really liking it
grand crystal
its a good aspect :/
peak zealot
ya I have too. I think they are wrong
grand crystal
just has one of the biggest learning curves in the game
modern garnet
It doesn't suck but....
grand crystal
just get good at dodging and dont rely on the spin
the special is crazy good
and it has great dps
peak zealot
The special is worse than just using exagryph sniper attack
grand crystal
The special is worse than just using exagryph sniper attack
the special can hit 1k with arte special and charged skewer :/
its huge and doesnt need to be recalled
peak zealot
So can exagryph
modern garnet
It's probably the worst aspect if you don't put any blood into it
peak zealot
only exagryph doesn't even need a hammer to do it
grand crystal
also wdym sniper attack
(me over here who beat 32 with base level guan yu as a joke)
peak zealot
exagryph + arte attck by itself is hitting for something like 800 damage crits
and it does it with less attack lag
and a faster projectile
and you get other useful attacks
modern garnet
(me over here who beat 32 with base level guan yu as a joke)
That just means you're good at game
peak zealot
and don't have to deal with 50% health
peak zealot
I'm literallly comparing its stats to another weapon
and it doesn't compare favorably
grand crystal
gy literally has a self heal
peak zealot
this has nothing to do with skill with either weapon
grand crystal
its the only way to heal in lc4 without sd
modern garnet
Using guan yu you can heal to full on any encounter you can dodge in
modern garnet
GY is... surprisingly forgiving
brisk trail
From metacritic: "The saddest thing about Supergiant's boringest game yet is that it's enjoying such success that they might do another like it" lol
craggy barn
just don't get hit
modern garnet
With GY, you can feel like you screwed up a run but 1 easy room and you're back to full
undone oar
From metacritic: "The saddest thing about Supergiant's boringest game yet is tha...
that's just- what
craggy barn
From metacritic: "The saddest thing about Supergiant's boringest game yet is tha...
you should see steam discussions
peak zealot
I don't like white wines, I can still recognize a good one
brisk trail
but he compared it to bastion
grand crystal
comparing it to bastion is dumb :/
brisk trail
which ( I think) is a roguelike
grand crystal
no its not
bastion has similar combat but isnt a roguelike
its just a linear isometric hack and slash
but roguelikes is an iffy genre to most
it generally takes more skill than most games and is repetitive, and some people see that as boring
brisk trail
Yeah it has a niche audience
grand crystal
but as a roguelike i think its great
it has balance, variety, and not too where things get lost
peak zealot
I mean, it has more variety than a typical video game
brisk trail
You literally play the same level over and over again.
hollow hawk
thats what a roguelite is
peak zealot
its alos not even really true
brisk trail
That's a bit of a reductive take.
hollow hawk
Its progressively generated
peak zealot
you play a similar series of levels repeatedly
grand crystal
as well as the variety coming from that randomness and the different builds
hollow hawk
Istg everyone who criticizes hades' repetitiveness doesnt ever know what a roguelike is
peak zealot
the game should probably have god mode on by default though just to make new players feel better.
hollow hawk
nah
grand crystal
yea no
brisk trail
I'm okay with hard video games.
hollow hawk
its not that hard of a game tbh
grand crystal
its not that hard of a game tbh
true
brisk trail
It's not hard. It lacks variety
grand crystal
and roguelikes are meant to be hard anyway
hollow hawk
how does it lack variety?
brisk trail
3 bosses only
grand crystal
It's not hard. It lacks variety
6 weapons each with 4 aspects and i think 10 gods that each work differently with each weapon
peak zealot
only about half of players ever make it to hades apparently, that seems undesirable to me.
grand crystal
3 bosses only
3 tart bosses, 1 asphodel boss, 1 elysium boss, and final
hollow hawk
Plus they have unique movesets that can be turned on by em
grand crystal
all of which have variety
brisk trail
6 weapons each with 4 aspects and i think 10 gods that each work differently wit...
only 2 of these combos actually work though
peak zealot
Every weapon has multiple viable builds
hollow hawk
that seems pretty balanced if you ask me
brisk trail
I mean you can make everything work but none is going to notice that.
hollow hawk
what
brisk trail
Also I don't get why stuff needs to be nerfed in this game
hollow hawk
do you just play like one weapon
brisk trail
I got the rewards from all weapons
grand crystal
i only saw the game as repetitive after playing it for 3 years straight :/
lost meadow
the guy's name is literally "clown" please stop
brisk trail
And the gameplay feels the same.
hollow hawk
you're making up imaginary points though. Things that are pretty subjective
grand crystal
the guy's name is literally "clown" please stop
lmao
brisk trail
the guy's name is literally "clown" please stop
I'm doing haha
hollow hawk
us:there are 24 aspects with different boon combinations
You: nah i dont like them smh
brisk trail
Yeah there is also the strongest aspect
hollow hawk
no?
brisk trail
none is going to notice the other 23 weaker
hollow hawk
No aspect is objectively the strongest
lost meadow
thanks for your ideas on guanyu earlier i just think im too much of a smorc player do use it
grand crystal
Yeah there is also the strongest aspect
but every game will have a "strongest"
hollow hawk
It might be in your eyes, or for a specific purpose
brisk trail
what do you guys think the best bow is
grand crystal
what do you guys think the best bow is
rama
hollow hawk
Hera
grand crystal
stupid damage with amazing cc
peak zealot
Personally, I most enjoy the cast bow
brisk trail
Except 2 combinations stand out as the strongest
grand crystal
imo it goes rama > hera > chiron > zag
peak zealot
I don't think its the best though
hollow hawk
Zag bow is amazing but my fingers hurt pressing attack a thousand times
grand crystal
Except 2 combinations stand out as the strongest
ok why are you only playing that then
theres options
and some things wll be better than others
brisk trail
I stopped lol I am giving my opinion
grand crystal
its just your choice to ignore every other option the game offers that isnt busted :/
hollow hawk
you're arguing baselessly though, on your own opinion
modern garnet
I do love chiron bow the most but it might not be the strongest
grand crystal
and you cant criticize a game on that baseless of a point
hollow hawk
Im assuming that you're referring to heartrend saying its strong but again, that's not for every weapon
brisk trail
No I don't feel like my opinion is baseless because that's what every negative review says
lack of variety with other words
peak zealot
its ok for this game to not be for you
grand crystal
ok how about you try making a prefectly balanced roguelike then
or a perfectly balanced game in general
its almost impossible
hollow hawk
Reviews form their opinion based on facts. You're forming your opinion based on things you haven't even tried
brisk trail
No no no don't use the genre to justify the game you like being complete boring
grand crystal
No no no don't use the genre to justify the game you like being complete boring
the entire genre is literal procedural generation off of the same area -_-
i find tactics games boring as hell
but others see it as intricate
hollow hawk
anyway this is a pointless argument. You aren't going to get much arguing about a game in its own server tbh
grand crystal
i find fighting games really neat because of the depth of tech, others find it to be a button mash
hollow hawk
you remind me of someone who argued a similar point here a bit earlier, and they were basing their opinion on facts
And I accepted it
grand crystal
take dio attack on arthur sword for example, its not a good option, but it can still work
brisk trail
I didn't see anyone complaining about path of exile
grand crystal
and thats the good thing, that it can work
almost everything is viable
and thus variety
grand crystal
I didn't see anyone complaining about path of exile
i havent played that
and every game has bad reviews
you probably just didnt see the bad ones
brisk trail
I'm talking about variety in enemies and bosses.
grand crystal
extreme measures exists
hollow hawk
have you tries benefits package
grand crystal
furies literally have 3 different ones and em adds variety
brisk trail
But it's not like there is huge variety in likeable and fun combos as well.
grand crystal
lernie gets differnt main and small heads
grand crystal
But it's not like there is huge variety in likeable and fun combos as well.
thats subjective
hollow hawk
There is???
grand crystal
"likable and fun"
modern garnet
Previous SGG games have had like... 9 enemies each
grand crystal
subjective
hollow hawk
chiron has like 5 amazing combos
And that's ignoring the stuff that doesn't work but you can still make work
grand crystal
chiron works with literally any god, some worse than others but it can work with any
brisk trail
You can also win the game on 1 run. Your point?
hollow hawk
my point is that there are lots of amazing combos
grand crystal
You can also win the game on 1 run. Your point?
how does that support your point
hollow hawk
for every aspect
I wonder what fun combos you're talking about thh
Tbh*
Heartrend?
merciful end?
brisk trail
Festive fog, and doom
grand crystal
people do that with amazing skill and strong builds for freshfile, hell ive been close
hollow hawk
lmao
brisk trail
and 5 dashes
hollow hawk
Festive fog broken lol
hollow hawk
yeah im gonna head out of this discussion now
brisk trail
I mean I haven't seen any other game calling out its genre to justify part of its awful quality
grand crystal
youve yet to refute anything said against your point outside of "stop using the genre to justify its bad quality" when literally every roguelike ive played is repetitive after a certain point
and some things are always better than others
frail jolt
yeah that point sounds like a knock on roguelikes and not hades lol
grand crystal
half of the animas in wizard of legend i feel like are garbage, but thats me and i still dumped a large amount of time into the game
brisk trail
from run 1 you have encountered most of the variety of enemies in the game
modern garnet
You're eating ice cream and complaining that its too cold
grand crystal
almost all but a few weapons in nuclear throne are terrible, but you can still use them and win
grand crystal
from run 1 you have encountered most of the variety of enemies in the game
from run one people havent seen most of the game
you see maybe 4 enemies
and maybe 2-3 gods
frail jolt
You're eating ice cream and complaining that its too cold
great analogy lmao
grand crystal
when the enemy list of the codex is several pages long
and the boon lists are long as hell
every god has synergy with ever god
literally anything is viable and with 24 aspects, 10 gods, >20 trinkets(idk the exact number), and infinite playstyles
idk what else you want for variety
brisk trail
Also, book of list of encounters was a bad idea
or at least relying on it to progress your story
grand crystal
wdym
modern garnet
The list of prophecies?
brisk trail
yeah yeah that one
grand crystal
those are side things for you to do
again
optional
and it rewards you for branching out
brisk trail
The only thing required to progress the story is getting clears.
grand crystal
have you only touched 1 weapon and one god??
brisk trail
What do you mean optional it contains hundreds and hundreds of gemstones
Which you can grind out normally in runs.
grand crystal
you are never forced to do any of the fated list
modern garnet
The rewards for prophecies are kinda underwhelming actually... by the time you unlock them you run out of ways to spend them
brisk trail
There are days I haven't encountered trove containing gems for 5 runs
grand crystal
ok and thats just unlucky
you can also force troves
theres several ways to do the same thing in this genre
modern garnet
Wait hold on... you said 3 bosses... have you ever beat the furies before?
grand crystal
yea theres 4 base bosses
brisk trail
5
brisk trail
And hydra is a bullet sponge
That's a subjective take.
And rats have no clear moveset at all
grand crystal
it isnt :/ most people get past hydra easier they do tarturus
grand crystal
And rats have no clear moveset at all
you havent been watching them then
if you get close, they bite, if your far, they walk towards and spray poison
everything is transcribed really well
brisk trail
I played vs the rat boss once using the bow and it didn't do one thing consistently
grand crystal
all im getting from your points is half assed gameplay and thus basing an opinion on that and a lack of effort
grand crystal
I played vs the rat boss once using the bow and it didn't do one thing consiste...
then you werent paying attention
brisk trail
every time it died something different abruptly
grand crystal
after 1-2 tries on rat king i understood how it fights
craggy barn
I played vs the rat boss once using the bow and it didn't do one thing consiste...
is there not variety in its moveset in that case? 
grand crystal
roguelikes arent meant to be easy
they are eant to make you struggle and get good to get the rewards
brisk trail
I mean I defeated it the first try but it was so spongy with no clear intention and moveset
grand crystal
but they as well are meant to give options to the player, and more than an average game at that
grand crystal
I mean I defeated it the first try but it was so spongy with no clear intention ...
it has less hp than hades
brisk trail
roguelikes arent meant to be easy
Hades wasn't hard
grand crystal
again, subjective
craggy barn
tiny vermin doesn't even have a lot of health
brisk trail
I mean I quit the game and gave it to my brother and he got all the dashes and the revives and he beat it like nothing
grand crystal
dashes and dd's are quite easy to get and can make a huge difference
how many runs did that take though
how many hours
brisk trail
Basically every time I feel frustrated I quit and watch my brother finish the rest of the game lmao
grand crystal
maybe your brother is just better :/
modern garnet
Well then you start doing the pact and the game gets hard again
craggy barn
i wonder if their brother also uses more than like 2 aspects
brisk trail
Yeah my brother is wayyy better than me in gaming
modern garnet
You start getting rewards again once you do pact runs
craggy barn
watch them complain about the game being "too hard" because their "2 working options" don't hold up in higher heats
grand crystal
the game rewards you for experimenting
with all those options
64 heat points, 24 aspects. 10 gods, 20+ trinkets
oh and the plethera oh hammers
brisk trail
I never said it was too hard. Actually I read so many negative reviews none said game was hard
grand crystal
have you read positive reviews
brisk trail
Everyone said game was boring and lacked content. They didn't understand the praise from media
grand crystal
then why have people, including me, dumpped >100 hours and some borderline 1000
craggy barn
the people claiming this game lacks variety have never touched a roguelike before
not a shadow of a doubt
grand crystal
the genre gains content from you
if you dont try new things
then yea youll be bored in 5 minutes
brisk trail
cuz you like it. I did too. Wanna hear a secret? You can like a game and still complain about it. Loving something unconditionally makes you a puppy
grand crystal
im not saying the game doesnt have faults
peak zealot
@brisk trail puppies are great though so whats your point
modern garnet
You do gotta make your own variety, in a way
peak zealot
3 headed puppies are especially great
grand crystal
some roguelikes force variety like gungeon where you have no confirmation outside of character choice, but hades lets you make the choices more
it makes you the variety
i, for example, started getting bored, and tried 32 heat. loved it. i though some weapons were garbage, tried it for a bit, liked it
and that want and drive is what kept me playing the game
brisk trail
The only issue I had was connection
grand crystal
but i mean the fact that you dont even know if the game is classified as that genre is an issue :/
brisk trail
But had awesome variety I freaking loved the archer damn I forgot her name
I am not good at genres really
athena dash is soooo good for sword
grand crystal
ror has more variety from pure randomness from what i can tell, there is little to no consistency in the game. you get what you get, and deal with it. much like gungeon. hades is more controlled
brisk trail
I just face tanked boss 3 at less than 190 hp and didn't die
grand crystal
both different types of roguelikes that appeal to different people
brisk trail
I hate gungeon, way too bullet helly
grand crystal
I hate gungeon, way too bullet helly
thats the genre ;w;
its called a bullet hell
what do you expect
brisk trail
pain
craggy barn
i love gungeon but i've developed too much of a painful habit to reset when i don't get the first master round
brisk trail
both different types of roguelikes that appeal to different people
Oh so there are sub genres huh?
lmao
grand crystal
im not saying that there are sub genres, jus tthat those are from what i can tell the 2 major different designs in the genre
craggy barn
there's really only roguelikes and roguelites
hollow hawk
oof y'all are still going
grand crystal
design wise, they are different since in hades you have much more control about what happens, but in something like gungeon you have much less control
hollow hawk
Just agree to disagree and leave it there
grand crystal
you may dislike hades because it lets you get the same general run, but that doesnt mean that it lacks variety
craggy barn
if you really want variety then turn on ap2 and never use rerolls 
hollow hawk
If you haven't reached a conclusion in the 30 mins you've been arguing, you wont in the next 30
brisk trail
See though, ror2 is a roguelike yet I saw none complaining about lack of variety, or anyone defending it for its roguelike genre
grand crystal
ok but did you look for bad reviews since you never answered when i asked if you read good hades reviews
so i have to assume thats a no
and thus you arent looking at the other half of the argument
brisk trail
Okay let's look for bad reviews
hollow hawk
confirmation bias ding ding ding
craggy barn
if your cup of tea is pure randomness just turn on ap2 and ri1 already jesus christ
grand crystal
hades has a 93 on meta and ror2 has a 85
hades has better reviews on the site you mentioned earlier
grand crystal
ror2 user score 8.1, hades 8.9
brisk trail
yeah but with less negative reviews.
grand crystal
yeah but with less negative reviews.
its also a smaller game that i dont think got nearly as large as hades did
hollow hawk
guys, neither of you are going to change your mind. Just leave it as opinion and move on
brisk trail
wait what r u guys arguing here
hollow hawk
Do something else with your time
grand crystal
Do something else with your time
i have nothing else to do really :/
hollow hawk
hades doesn't have variety
craggy barn
Do something else with your time
you know what? i will
brisk trail
It's night anyway
craggy barn
so anyways what's a good 32 heat poseidon sword build
grand crystal
yea ror2 has less reviews overall
hollow hawk
i tried lightning phalanx for like 10 runs
grand crystal
and thus less negative
craggy barn
lightning phalanx doesn't seem that good
craggy barn
i could go with lightning shot or crush shot
hollow hawk
I just didnt know how to use it
craggy barn
maybe true shot if i'm feeling stupid
hollow hawk
I was then fed up and just cleared nem 32 on my first try lmao
craggy barn
flurry cast is actually fun to use with mirage shot
peak zealot
if I have my pick, my prefered cast is athena for poseidon sword
craggy barn
crush shot is nice for burst damage
hollow hawk
yeah, lightning phalanx
craggy barn
or if you're running a heavily close-ranged build
hollow hawk
Its a duo for zeus and athena that makes the cast bounce around
peak zealot
you don't want to be heavily close range if you are a cast build
grand crystal
you don't want to be heavily close range if you are a cast build
aphrodite would like to speak with you
peak zealot
poseidon sword
craggy barn
there's really nothing that explicitly rewards ranged, calculated gameplay in a cast build
hollow hawk
Or to collect the casts
peak zealot
its way safer to dump 1-2K damage from a distance then dash in to recollect
craggy barn
except for greater recall i guess
brisk trail
YO, I got to halfway through hades phase 2 without taking any damage
grand crystal
its way safer to dump 1-2K damage from a distance then dash in to recollect
yes it is safe, but if you can stay lose and not get hit its better
hollow hawk
safer, but you dont get bonus dmg from it
brisk trail
from the start
grand crystal
its skill based tbh on whether or not being close is better
peak zealot
you don't get bonus damage from being close either, unless you just mean by picking aprho cast
grand crystal
you get the casts back faster as well as dps from normal attacks
hollow hawk
which you cant from a distance
grand crystal
for bow yea ok fair enough
peak zealot
Normal attack is so negligible at that poitn
grand crystal
but for something like talos, beo, or pos its better to be close
it makes a difference tho :/
hollow hawk
it isnt if the enemy has like 2 hp and your casts are everywhere else
grand crystal
speedrunners always stay in close
peak zealot
but sure, you can have higher dps kind of
grand crystal
to get the damage
hollow hawk
special is also good for dislodge
peak zealot
speedrunners do a lot of things in a lot of games that arent generally good strats
grand crystal
speedrunners do a lot of things in a lot of games that arent generally good stra...
then how do they get 6 minutes -_-
peak zealot
theyre fast strats, they are meant to make it easier to clear 32 heat, they make it faster to clear 32 heat
hollow hawk
Its not safe, but if the enemy is dead then they cant hit you
grand crystal
ok thats taking into account heat which changes playstyles
peak zealot
if your goal is to get clears, your strats shouldn't be speed strats
hollow hawk
Are we taking about clears or dmg here
grand crystal
but if we are talking about optimability here, getting close is the best
hollow hawk
Because you said that being close doesn't give extra dmg
And we said that it does
Then you moved goalposts
peak zealot
I interpretted your statements as being close gives extra cast damage, which it doesn't
its not moving the goal posts man
hollow hawk
it does if you can collect your casts quicker
Hence you shoot them out more oftwn
Often
Also if you have snow burst, which is amazing on cast builds, it literally is more dmg
peak zealot
snow burst is relevant
hollow hawk
or if you have a dmging dash
hollow hawk
Chill, yeah
hollow hawk
what spear should i use for 40 heat
grand crystal
what spear should i use for 40 heat
guan yu
grand crystal
take charged skewer and arte special
and if you want quick + massive spin athena attack
grand crystal
but then again im not an expert on gy so dont listen to me too much
take it with a bit of salt
peak zealot
so do you just scrap runs when you don't get a good hammer?
grand crystal
i dont, some people do
speedrunners and unseeded high heat do since otherwise its a waste
peak zealot
sure
hollow hawk
anvils ew
brisk trail
what do u guys think the best dash is
grand crystal
athena
hollow hawk
imagine not resetting 50 times in an hour for flurry jab
peak zealot
Athena not close
grand crystal
athena can be great damage tho with deflects and some boons
brisk trail
even common unupgraded
grand crystal
so it just depends tbh
peak zealot
Its Athena > Poseidon > Artemis > >>>>>>>>>>>> all the rest
hollow hawk
athena can be great damage tho with deflects and some boons
only for things like witches
grand crystal
ares and zeus are nice for fists/sword
hollow hawk
While poseidon slaps everyone
grand crystal
but generally for an optimal build youll want athena for more security
hollow hawk
or you can be a chad and use poseidon dash
peak zealot
artemis is dash attack+ right? I'm not misremembering?
hollow hawk
enemies cant kill you if they're dead
grand crystal
yea its dash attack
peak zealot
Poseidon dash is best against normal enemies. For most players, bosses are the bigger challenge and poseidon dash does little against bosses
(riptide effect and some chip damage is about it)
grand crystal
wave pounding 😎
grand crystal
wave pounding is just free damage on bosses ngl
hollow hawk
Also, what other dash would you recommend for boss dmg then?
pos is literally the highest dmg dash
peak zealot
dash attack matters for some builds. Mostly dashes aren't for damaging bosses
hollow hawk
arty dash sucks on weapons like fists and rail where your base dmg is negligible
peak zealot
deponds on which rail you are using but ya
grand crystal
but on stuff like bow, spear, shield, sword it slaps
peak zealot
aspect of hestia is sniper rail IIRC and dash upgrade on that helps a lot
hollow hawk
on spear i would argue not unless you already have serrated, but yeah
hollow hawk
aspect of hestia is sniper rail IIRC and dash upgrade on that helps a lot
Hestia still prefers poseidon for aoe
grand crystal
not really sniper rail, just high damage first shot, wouldnt call that "sniper"
hollow hawk
Poseidon dash has insane aoe, which is something hestia only has with special
It is sniper rail
grand crystal
hmm imo the term doesnt fit well but eh thats my opinion
hollow hawk
Thats a specific hammer though
peak zealot
but ya, poseidon dash is really nice for xenagryph in general
hollow hawk
matters less yes, but rocket still has a cooldown
exagraph* yeah
i probably spelled that wrong toi
Too*
peak zealot
doesn't matter, we understand eachother
hollow hawk
true
bright comet
question: i have everyone good except aphrodite at 6 hearts but it seems i can do the epilogue without maxing her?
hollow hawk
no, you need to have a bond with mom and dad and any other 6 Olympians
Do you have 6 bonds or 6 locked hearts
bright comet
yea i have demeter at 6, hermes at 8 and the rest at 7 except aphrodite
grand crystal
its also luck sometimes /:/
bright comet
bonds
hollow hawk
Aphro's favor is to romance two out of the three: than, meg, dusa
bright comet
i just did bond with than with meg already done but i think if i speak to parents now i will see the epilogue
peak zealot
are you trying to wait to do the epilogue? is there a reason to?
stiff trellis
Hestia is a carbine rail
bright comet
i guess im wondering whether im missing anything if i dont have bond with everyone
hollow hawk
No you arent
stiff trellis
Make hestia rail an M1 Garand and give it the ping when you reload
hollow hawk
Also you cant get dem bond before epi so dont waste time over her if you already have her locked heart
hollow hawk
Make hestia rail an M1 Garand and give it the ping when you reload
Can I just say, i love your name
bright comet
thats good thanks, cuz aphrodite requires romances which with my luck, i succeeded to invite chaos beforehand
bright comet
yea i know
hollow hawk
Also again, make sure you have dad and mom bond
bright comet
yea that i have
stiff trellis
I'm very proud of it
hollow hawk
You should be
grand crystal
getting the epilogue dialogue is also luck keep in mind
much like any dialogue in this game really
bright comet
well i have mom standing next to dad with super blinking exclamation mark so im guessing
grand crystal
oh yea thats it i think
peak zealot
or it could be the divorce dialogue that sometimes happens randomly Kappa
that would be kind of amusing if there was a way to split up the parents
bright comet
lol
peak zealot
has anyone ever gotten sweet nectar earliy enough in a run for it to matter?
peak zealot
I don't think I've ever gotten them before the temple of styx
at which point.... they just feel miserable
anyone know the drop rate for charon's hidden gold sack? seems like the fight is never available
modern garnet
I get the feeling that the gold sack never appears before a boss fight
hollow hawk
yes it cant
It has a 1 in 3 chance of appearing in mid shops
The gold bag cant appear in styx shop
hollow hawk
in mid shops and its once a run
Not once a run
It cant appear if you've fought charon already
hollow hawk
What do yall like to run against charon
if you're going for the prophecy, go for something like hestia/arthur with shackle
grand crystal
i had a dumb rama build that killed him in 30 seconds once :3
hollow hawk
@grand crystal it can appear twice or thrice if you haven't fought him, was my point
grand crystal
hmm doesnt sound right but i more than likley am wrong
modern garnet
Oh I never thought of shackle, yeah I need that prophecy
hollow hawk
Also, he only has a couple of moves and all of them have clear telegraphs
So make sure you learn his moves and how to dodge them
modern garnet
First time I fought him I spent 3 dds, and spent the rest of the run buying them back
brisk trail
I have insane dps rn, I beat theseus in around 1 min
my crit chance is 34% on attack
I have flurry shot and twin shot
modern garnet
You defeated him first try?
I had a great build and no heat soo
hollow hawk
I had a literal insane dps build, with only fo1 on which i was comfy with
had nemeis sword with Merciful end
Still lost
modern garnet
Oh I was running chiron bow i think, I was able to keep my distance
weak spruce
I low how I miss with megaera half of the time
brisk trail
so I bought a theme, what does it do?
also I ranked up in hades room, what does that do
also for skelly reward so I have to do exactly 8 heat or can it be higher
peak zealot
I think the only thing it does is change your victory screen
same for hades room
I don't know what skelly reward is referring too
brisk trail
the statues in skellys room
peak zealot
idk, I haven't noticed any statues
brisk trail
It also changes your Boon menu.
modern garnet
They're under big cloaks
modern garnet
...imagine unlocking all statues in 1 run
weak spruce
however I am not sure if you can unlock them all at once by doing 32
hollow hawk
you can
bright comet
bruh
i was so worried on phase 3 i forgot i could use chtonic companion
if i did i would have beaten em4
stoic violet
Will Hermes quick strike cancel shattered shackle?
peak zealot
none of the hermes boons cancel shackle
only the boons in the top 3 'slots' matter
at least, I'm pretty sure
stoic violet
Ok. Thanks
brisk trail
for the first boon, it's always any 3 of attack, special, cast and dash right?
then the only other core boon is call which isn't in the first lot
stoic violet
How good is 19:40:54?
brisk trail
not bad
brisk trail
all attack buffs also buff dash attack right?
sudden patrol
i just had the best run ever
I was going for heart rend, but never got it but it just so happened that my weak was so strong that it carried me across the final boss
since it reduced damage to 45%
and lasted longer
and made enemies more susceptible to damage
stark prism
very nice
sudden patrol
my actual build sucked
it was an artemis on main rama bow
but i just cheesed hades to death
stark prism
love when you get just the right things you're looking for and the game just turns on easy mode
sudden patrol
the attack up was only 28 LMAO
sudden patrol
love when you get just the right things you're looking for and the game just tur...
It was even better since I got none of the things I wanted and it still worked
stark prism
LMAO
brisk trail
winter zinc
brisk trail
never seen that before
craggy barn
you make it to hades on 50 heat and this happens
runic agate
That happened to me once befoee
runic agate
I just kept playing till it could save again
brisk trail
^
runic agate
It's like a small issue imo
Game just glitch for a sec
Pretty much just go to the next room
Then it fixes itself
sudden patrol
i decided to use chiron bow for 9 heat
and ofc i use a DD in tartarus
im gonna go play pokemon sword or something
craggy barn
what's your pact
sudden patrol
er
hold on
2x hard labor, 1x lasting consequences, 2x jury summons, 1x FO, 1x damage control
is that good?
craggy barn
damage control is bad on chiron
craggy barn
jury summons is especially bad on chiron since it handles single targets best
sudden patrol
Ok so what do i want to run?
craggy barn
how long do your runs usually take?
craggy barn
if you can easily handle sub 27 then td2 should be a free pick
sudden patrol
Alr
brisk trail
td2 is free with most builds
what happens when you attack someone with 2 different drunk effects, do they stack or does it only count the higher one
craggy barn
it overwrites
craggy barn
exactly
brisk trail
gotcha, thanks
craggy barn
optimally you should only have one source of hangover
brisk trail
yeah
hallow peak
jury summons is especially bad on chiron since it handles single targets best
Who is chiron? Do you mean charon?
brisk trail
man I rly wish you could reroll hammers
half zephyr
Who is chiron? Do you mean charon?
chiron is a bow aspect
and also a character from greek mythology
hallow peak
Oh ok
half zephyr
"Chiron, in Greek mythology, one of the Centaurs, the son of the Titan Cronus and Philyra, an Oceanid or sea nymph. Chiron lived at the foot of Mount Pelion in Thessaly. Unlike other Centaurs, who were violent and savage, he was famous for his wisdom and knowledge of medicine."
chiron the bow aspect makes it so all your special arrows target 1 enemy if you hit it with an attack first
if I remember correctly
hallow peak
*"Chiron, in Greek mythology, one of the Centaurs, the son of the Titan Cronus a...
I think I remember now. The name Chiron was often associated with medicine I believe
half zephyr
That’s why it’s not the best fit for jury summons, which makes more enemies appear
woven nacelle
Is the gate to hades always set or random?
hallow peak
I know my mythology especially greek
I love mythology and how bat crap insane it can be
half zephyr
Is the gate to hades always set or random?
which gate?
hallow peak
Same reason I love historg
woven nacelle
I love mythology and how bat crap insane it can be
Reminder that almost all of Greek mythology only exists because Zeus wanted to have some kids
It’s hilarious
hallow peak
Lol
half zephyr
that's why we got the terms "2 sack - 5 sack" in the fandom
"I had a great time, but then I got 5 sack"
hallow peak
Really makes me wonder what people were smoking before modern times lol
woven nacelle
that's why we got the terms "2 sack - 5 sack" in the fandom
Interesting. I’ve only had the game for about a week and haven’t beat hades yet, hopefully this is the run
hallow peak
Alot of important historical people did crazy things
half zephyr
Really makes me wonder what people were smoking before modern times lol
hallucinogenic insense?
woven nacelle
But Astereus/Theseus screwed me over and I have like 1 DD left. I’m probably dead.
hallow peak
Wanna hear why Franklin D. Roosevelt is my second favorite president and an example of insane history
half zephyr
But Astereus/Theseus screwed me over and I have like 1 DD left. I’m probably dea...
for the heroes fight, try to focus on asterius first since he's the heavy hitter - theseus can be annoying, but easy enough
half zephyr
Wanna hear why Franklin D. Roosevelt is my second favorite president and an exam...
no, not the right channel
hallow peak
Oh fair enough
woven nacelle
Yeah I know. Just dash around behind astereus a bunch then get some cheap shots. Theseus is what really screws me up, just a bit disorienting only being able to hit from behind
half zephyr
theseus also leaves himself wide open when he summons his call - he'll just be standing there, so it's a nice time to rush him or use your own call
woven nacelle
Yeah
hallow peak
In #off-topic-discussion then?
half zephyr
if you use max aphrodite call you can get theseus down to a sliver of health
when that happens
acoustic quartz
theseus alone is easy to deal with tbh
woven nacelle
Probably, I still don’t have a reliable build, though.
half zephyr
aphrodite call (or her legendary charm too), will also stagger Hades & make his lasers stop appearing
acoustic quartz
when he enters 2nd phase i just use greater call and companion immediately lmao
woven nacelle
Mostly just taking whatever I can find and grabbing some Athena boons.
acoustic quartz
he just dies
hallow peak
I have more trouble with theseus
But thats probably just because I am crap at dodging
half zephyr
when he enters 2nd phase i just use greater call and companion immediately lmao
not everyone has companions after 1 week of owning the game
acoustic quartz
Probably, I still don’t have a reliable build, though.
you need any suggestions?
hallow peak
So I just dash like a madman and focus on defence
acoustic quartz
not everyone has companions after 1 week of owning the game
true lmao
woven nacelle
aphrodite call (or her legendary charm too), will also stagger Hades & make his ...
I have archer girl’s boon for some extra damage
half zephyr
arties call is nice too
acoustic quartz
but once you greater call it should still be pretty easy to deal with
woven nacelle
I’ll see if I can grab Aphrodite’s, should I lose here
woven nacelle
you need any suggestions?
I wouldn’t mind a few
half zephyr
cool
acoustic quartz
if you dont have call just do same strats as first phase but be wary of circles
hallow peak
Artemis crit focus is nice yes but her damage bonuses are some of the lowest so its not really good to solely rely on her boons
craggy barn
Artemis crit focus is nice yes but her damage bonuses are some of the lowest so ...
heart rend
hallow peak
You can do way more damage with say aries or zeus
hallow peak
pressure points is always nice tho
Very
half zephyr
You can do way more damage with say aries or zeus
Ares*
Aries is very very different!
hallow peak
True
woven nacelle
Nah I mostly use Athena/Zeus. Athena’s dash is easily the best and zeus’ lightning are pretty nice additions.
acoustic quartz
I wouldn’t mind a few
what weapon do you use most?
woven nacelle
Varatha
half zephyr
Nah I mostly use Athena/Zeus. Athena’s dash is easily the best and zeus’ lightni...
Thena dash is nice for beginners, and some swear by it later on too
woven nacelle
Hades aspect
acoustic quartz
hmmmmmmmmm
half zephyr
I prefer not to use athena cuz it's not as fun
woven nacelle
Thena dash is nice for beginners, and some swear by it later on too
Athena’s dash + Hermes’ extra 2 dashes >>>>>>>
half zephyr
yes, I'd still prefer other dashes 
hallow peak
Nah I mostly use Athena/Zeus. Athena’s dash is easily the best and zeus’ lightni...
I would take athena or ares dash because athena would help me with my bad at dodging situation and improve my already(miraculously working) dodge like mad strat
And area dash just well
MOAR DAMAGE
half zephyr
like status dashes or tidal dash to aim for sea storm
hallow peak
MOAR MEAT FOR THE HUMAN BLENDER
woven nacelle
Alr I’m just going to attempt to kill my dad now. I’ll be back In a few minutes.
hallow peak
Go get em champ
half zephyr
good luck!
acoustic quartz
good luck
half zephyr
I don't like Ares dash
rugged mist
The only time I like ares dash is if I'm playing a ranged weapon with ruthless reflex, but that's only if I haven't found a better one by that time
half zephyr
I got a text, looked away, and I was dead.
next time, pause
good luck on your next run!
woven nacelle
next time, pause <:hehe:744708898656878692>
Lol yeah
acoustic quartz
ok can i suggest the most brain dead build that i love a lot
brisk trail
tryna get all the hammers for each weapon but rnjesus says no
woven nacelle
ok can i suggest the most brain dead build that i love a lot
The less effort the better.
half zephyr
tryna get all the hammers for each weapon but rnjesus says no
you'll get there
acoustic quartz
ok so
achilles aspect varatha (not necesarry but makes it even more brain dead), ares cast, athena aid, hunting blades (ares + arty duo boon)
acoustic quartz
it makes your cast auto aim
half zephyr
Hunting blades is arty right?
ares cast + artie
craggy barn
that's assuming he has achilles maxed
acoustic quartz
you can also aim for mirage shot (arty + pos), ares legendary and arty legendary
half zephyr
specific artemis boons
acoustic quartz
that's assuming he has achilles maxed
you dont really need it maxed to make it brain dead tbh
maxed just makes it faster
half zephyr
you might then get offered a duo boon that makes the ares cast auto aim/chase/hunt down enemies
woven nacelle
I put my blood into hades aspect but when I grab more I’ll upgrade achilles’
I already have it unlocked
acoustic quartz
you can try it with hades if you want
achilles is for the bonus damage from bull rush
which makes it better
woven nacelle
Yeah I realized
acoustic quartz
that build is how i got my first victory over EM4 Hades lmao
just stood in the corner while he died
woven nacelle
Hammer off the jump 😳
woven nacelle
The armor upgrade, the +125% spin attack upgrade, and the -dash speed +dash attack dmg upgrade
Got ares’ cast
acoustic quartz
noice
woven nacelle
Got Athena, didn’t find her aid, but I got her special
acoustic quartz
wait
half zephyr
so
woven nacelle
Oh okay
acoustic quartz
well if you have athena
half zephyr
do know that you might not get hunting blades
acoustic quartz
time to go for merciful end lmao
acoustic quartz
yea
half zephyr
so you gotta be confident in the build before duos
brisk trail
yo for posiedons quest, do the fish have to be caught after you start it?
woven nacelle
Ares’ cast slaps either way though
brisk trail
or do previous fish count too
half zephyr
wasn't that theseus?
acoustic quartz
they said fish
half zephyr
yes, but unlocking the hearts
acoustic quartz
theseus is just another prophecy
brisk trail
poseidons favour
acoustic quartz
i did theseus after i maxed pos bond
half zephyr
huh, I did it before
acoustic quartz
previous fish counts
half zephyr
I did all poseidon quests before
acoustic quartz
but you need to catch at least 1 fish before talking to him
brisk trail
cool thanks
woven nacelle
Are the vs rooms worth taking? Specifically Ares and Athena
half zephyr
ye
brisk trail
yes aboslutely
brisk trail
^
acoustic quartz
yea athena is the easiest to deal with imo
woven nacelle
It’s kind of funny to me how they help you the entire run but the second you choose someone else over them they decide they’re going to attempt to murder you
acoustic quartz
the trial of the gods is good unless youre low on hp or have chaos curse imo
brisk trail
unless ur short on time
acoustic quartz
and that yea
brisk trail
for athena
acoustic quartz
if youre using TD
brisk trail
yeah
acoustic quartz
It’s kind of funny to me how they help you the entire run but the second you cho...
gods are prideful beings
i mean its more funny how they aid theseus imo
acoustic quartz
i mean for some in kinda makes sense
ares probs just likes seeing people suffer
pos iirc mentions how they "aid people who are worthy of it"
woven nacelle
I guess Theseus would be worthy of Olympus’ aid, if he was a nobleman.
acoustic quartz
theseus isnt noble at all irl lmao
woven nacelle
Nobleman? Noble man? Idfk
Idk how else to describe it. Overall good person I guess?
half zephyr
It’s kind of funny to me how they help you the entire run but the second you cho...
gods are fickle beings
woven nacelle
Also unrelated but how does Alecto get her hands on blade rifts? Is she aided by ares?
half zephyr
it might just be her skill
not everything is related to the gods 😗
they are powerful beings
woven nacelle
True, if you’re going to be trusted by essentially satan himself to fight you’d probably have to be pretty strong lol
half zephyr
what
Hades isn't
he's the god of the dead, yes, but he's not some Hellish ruler or satanical figure..
he's the lord of the underworld
acoustic quartz
hades is the nicest greek god imo
woven nacelle
They’re all just stand-ins for the same thing, god of the underworld, god of hell, god of the dead, etc.
half zephyr
which is all the afterlife of greek myth
woven nacelle
The ruler of the bad afterlife
half zephyr
the good, the bad & the in-between
acoustic quartz
like the gods on olympus has some questionable decisions
hades is a loyal and caring husband
half zephyr
The ruler of the bad afterlife
no, Elysium is the Good Place, Tartarus the Bad Place & Asphodel is like Limbo
woven nacelle
no, Elysium is the Good Place, Tartarus the Bad Place & Asphodel is like Limbo
Meant for the stand-in part.
half zephyr
all dead go to the underworld
unless they got hooked up with some sweet deal in Olympus
woven nacelle
Anyways- someone mentioned companions? How do you go about getting those?
craggy barn
is the isle of the blessed still in hell or is that a different place entirely
half zephyr
Anyways- someone mentioned companions? How do you go about getting those?
unlock hearts
half zephyr
is the isle of the blessed still in hell or is that a different place entirely
uhm, depends on myths
half zephyr
the messed up part in ancient greek afterlife is actually just "how to end up in The Good Place"
cuz it's all battle maniacs & heroes & those with godly ancestors
acoustic quartz
Anyways- someone mentioned companions? How do you go about getting those?
there are 6 companions
half zephyr
not really connected to being a good person at all
half zephyr
there are 6 companions
6??
acoustic quartz
so you have to make a bond with at least 1 of them
half zephyr
battie, fidi, antos, mort & shady?
half zephyr
aah, rib
acoustic quartz
smh forgetting ma boi rib
craggy barn
crazy how you can just be a good person 3 times in a row and then suddenly be among one of the best people to have lived
woven nacelle
I assume Battie is from Meg?
half zephyr
crazy how you can just be a good person 3 times in a row and then suddenly be am...
pr the ancient greek definition of "good person"
half zephyr
I assume Battie is from Meg?
mhmm
woven nacelle
And the rest?
half zephyr
mort is in the name
fidi is in the name
rib is in the name, kinda
antos is achilles/patroclus
shady is Sisyphus
woven nacelle
Bone hydra
acoustic quartz
ah ok theres a good chance you get it then
also get black metal/engulfing vortex if you get that option (unless you get hunting blades lmao)
that unlocks the legendary and even if you dont get it, your blade rift becomes better anyways
acoustic quartz
no
you already have them in your boon pool
so its pretty pointless to use the keepsake
unless youre super paranoid about it or smth lmao
woven nacelle
Yeah that’s what I assumed, but y’all seem to know more than I
acoustic quartz
the chances you get them is already pretty high so yea
and if you dont get it in elysium chances they will be in styx shop/chamber are also pretty high
woven nacelle
Ares and Artemis vs room? Take?
woven nacelle
! Icon
acoustic quartz
how are you doing rn with DD and health
woven nacelle
The free shop ig
acoustic quartz
! in elysium right
woven nacelle
I have all DD and I’m on like 50/200 health with lucky tooth on
woven nacelle
! in elysium right
Yeah.
brisk trail
are there any rewards for no hitting bosses or is it just epic gamer points
acoustic quartz
but you might get the ares boons
are you confident you wont lose your DD?
if so take the trial
if not go patty and get hydralite gold
woven nacelle
I probably won’t until the miniboss at the earliest
acoustic quartz
ok then take trial
woven nacelle
Unless I just get slapped in the trial
woven nacelle
Not worried, I have dash deflect
acoustic quartz
ok then take the trial imo
woven nacelle
Already in the room lol
acoustic quartz
also get black metal/engulfing vortex if you get that option (unless you get hun...
try getting these from ares
acoustic quartz
epic
acoustic quartz
epic gamer points
brisk trail
cool
acoustic quartz
if youre using pierced butterfly
you get the attack bonus
but its the same as any other chamber
acoustic quartz
no hitting bosses is so satisfying tho
woven nacelle
And I lose my first death defiance
woven nacelle
Somewhat upsetting, but it’s fine
acoustic quartz
since you have lucky tooth