for like 5 seconds
#h1-discussion
weak spruce
eager kindle
Arthur crits hit different
half zephyr
Nooo
eager kindle
that would be so broken lmao. 5 secs is an eternity in this game
oblique sun
i really like the sfx on arthur ground effect and the lucy reload sound
half zephyr
I don’t care about the movement speed thing unless it’s projectiles
oblique sun
nothing
weak spruce
...
oblique sun
you got unlucky
eager kindle
I just wish arthur's dash strike can lead to the attack combo
oblique sun
at least, i think
weak spruce
there goes my nectar
half zephyr
But just being able to surprise em2 lernie by standing right next to their face is great
oblique sun
you usually only use nectar on bouldy when you're done with nectar for everyone else
half zephyr
I don’t really notice Arthur being slow 
half zephyr
Since it hits so hard
oblique sun
oh lmao
weak spruce
cuz like
eager kindle
I definitely notice it being slow on >10 heat
weak spruce
you can convert it into
oblique sun
the only reason i'm keeping my nectar is for the 100 nectar style on contractor
weak spruce
other items from the wretched broker
weak spruce
yep
half zephyr
I haven’t seen Sisyphus in ages
oblique sun
bouldy best insert cryptic zalgo text here
half zephyr
I killed Bouldy
oblique sun
nooOOOO
half zephyr
In an emoji battle with plum
eager kindle
I edited my save so that I can max out the resource director lmao
oblique sun
lol
half zephyr
He sent bouldy so I answered with diamond pickaxe
eager kindle
300,000 darkness is too much to grind for 😂
oblique sun
oh yeesh that's a lot
weak spruce
what is 300k for ?
eager kindle
But the badge is so cool tho
half zephyr
It’s just so you have something to spend resources on if you stick around that long
eager kindle
Someone did the math on reddit and it takes about 600+ runs to get that many darkness
nahh fam save editor for the win
half zephyr
Ye?
oblique sun
i barely just got the 2nd upgrade yesterday
weak spruce
I'm cheating for 300k lol I am not gonna do that many runs, ever
half zephyr
I’m on 3 I think
half zephyr
Mhmm
restive cave
can i sell my zeus cast boon if i got the duo boon i was looking for?
amber kraken
half zephyr
can i sell my zeus cast boon if i got the duo boon i was looking for?
No
If you sell any of the boons the duo need to work, then the duo won’t work
You need the prerequisites
hollow hawk
that is not true
it depends on the duo
so for example, you cant sell artemis attack after you get heartrend if its your only source of crit dmg, obviously the duo wont work
but you can sell zeus attack after you get for example, dio-zeus duo of scintillating feast, because that duo depends on dio cast, not zeus attack
olive pasture
Finally beat Theseus and Asterius
Using Gun and a load of awesome Zeus boons
weak spruce
do you unlock hermes and demeter's next part of the relationship after the council ?
hollow hawk
for demeter yes
for hermes, i think no
its ||something to do with his keepsake, iirc||
runic sparrow
Unlocking Hermes bond requires ||Speaking to him with a level 3 Lambent Plume equipped after maxing out his affection gauge to that point||
dire dagger
for Concentrated Knuckle, does "consecutive hit to a foe" count if i'm hitting a group of enemies?
runic sparrow
that's... a good question
dire dagger
and i'm seeing that the wording has changed at some point, the wiki calls it "uninterrupted hit" instead
runic sparrow
Personally my guess would be 'hits from the same combo'
so if it's still in the same '1-2-3-4-5' cycle, each of those hits would do more damage(If it's the hammerupgrade I'm thinking of)
dire dagger
from the previous wording i'd guess the same, but now it made me think that i could do a few hits, run around, and hit the same enemy and it'd count :/
manic moat
I did read somewhere that it's the 1-5 cycle
but what happens when rolling knuckle comes into play
you're basically doing uninterrupted hits the whole time
half zephyr
This is looking like it’s gonna be a great collection run
runic sparrow
Resets whenever a combo is broken, including after the final hit of a combo, meaning this lasts for a maximum of 5 attacks.
and rolling knuckle just tacks on a dash-strike to the end of that
I believe they're still considered separate combos for the purposes of concentrated knuckle
dire dagger
yea that's what i was reading, but with "uninterrupted" there it makes sense, i'm guessing it was just the wording that changed and not the mechanics
runic sparrow
because, let's be honest, if its damage bonus kept going up and up, that would be quite silly
half zephyr
Dark thirst +20%
Athropic Eclipse + 63%
Athropic Eclipse (R) +98%
Halting Eclipse (R) +98%
hushed pumice
It's like concentrated volley
dire dagger
wait, the bow has a combo then?
runic sparrow
the special is that fanning arrow attack that fires, like, ten arrows in front of you
dire dagger
oh derp
runic sparrow
Honestly? Great pick for Chiron
hushed pumice
Best pick for Chiron
Special hammers are worthless for the other bows. Except Relentless on Rama, which is merely worse than most of the hammers but still okay.
hollow hawk
no ocean's bounty?
or were you not going for a darkness farm run and it just turned into one
half zephyr
I didn’t get Poseidon that run
hollow hawk
ah
half zephyr
Besides I got these instead 
Great collection run
Dark thirst +20%
Athropic Eclipse + 63%
Athropic Eclipse (R) +98%
Halting Eclipse (R) +98%
hollow hawk
whats the r for
half zephyr
Rare
half zephyr
I got both basic & rare athropic eclipse that run
runic sparrow
my favorite combo on Chiron bow was COncentrated Volley, Curse of Pain, and that one boon that makes doom effects stack
that was some chunky damage on bosses. 👀
anyone here ever throw away a run just to progress side-story stuff faster?
weak spruce
em first boss is pretty rng
maegera at front is easy
alecto at front is hell
and they can be 2 or 3
meh
runic sparrow
Though honestly, if you get down to it, EM1 isn't too much different from normal Furies
from what I've noticed, it's basically the same fights, but the other two can occasionally swoop in to AoE
just need a bit more 
Awareness
weak spruce
iunno, it feels much easier with maegera in front
maybe I just know her pattern more
runic sparrow
It's fun chunking Tisiphone's health with a deflect boon
especially if you manage to get ALL of them back in on her
weak spruce
tisi warps you to some smaller area and that actually works better for me
I get distracted with the traps and all in the big one
hollow hawk
watch his attacks
dont get greedy
use the pillars
each of his moves have a clear telegraph
make sure to dodge boiling blood things (he throws like a green orb at you, run from that)
olive pasture
Okay
Did his first stage
How difficult is his second?
Dammit, I died. I think I got the general idea, though
swift mist
his 2nd is arguably easier in some ways bc of his laser attacks and no side enemies
but he attacks faster
weak spruce
yep
I have the faded list entry, also gave out all the invites
nth happened when I returned home
runic sparrow
it might take another run or two
runic sparrow
Fulfilling all the requirements of a given story beat doesn't guarantee said story beat happens, it just forces it to the top of the list when next a dialogue option is opened
@sleek grail You too? xD
can only imagine your heart was pounding
runic sparrow
Lemme tell ya, I had that on my second clear... felt like I was about to pass out when I beat him
sleek grail
this was my 3rd ever clear
so far ive got a 3 escape streak
once i got my first clear it seems so much easier
runic sparrow
entire body was shaking, fingers were numb, heart felt like it was about to burst out of my chest
and yeah, once you get those first few clears, they tend to come more and more easily
oblique sun
About to fight Hades with my Gun
i know i'm late but the only advice i can give to ranged weapons against dad is stay the fork away from him
weak spruce
does dash strike apply to rama ?
weak spruce
like any +% dash strike would apply to bow right
I am talking about artemis
well it prolly would
civic pendant
Yeah bow dash charges faster
hardy thistle
does dash strike apply to rama ?
yes
weak spruce
thanks
rapid agate
uuuuh i just had
something weird happen to me
i died
and my death defiance didn't proc
runic sparrow
did you have 'routine maintinence' active?
runic sparrow
kek
rapid agate
headbutt me plz
timid vine
do jury summons affect trove spawns
karmic trellis
is beating the fury at 4:20 good pace?
sudden patrol
god damnit rama sucks with 2 FO on
warped iron
god damnit rama sucks with 2 FO on
yes, it really does.
Most speedruns are done with FO2. Rama is usually an exception.
sudden patrol
lmao through a combo of chaos and an erebus gate I have 250 health in tartarus
hardy thistle
do jury summons affect trove spawns
yes it does
hardy thistle
god damnit rama sucks with 2 FO on
everything sort of sucks with fo2, its a bit of a pain in the ass consistently
even if its quite better than other pacts its generally super annoying
languid arrow
what if they made a knife as a new weapon and it wasn't even like a legendary weapon and zagreus is just smacking people with a butterknife
the 4th incarnation is a bluish purple crayon
wait does the timespan that hades the game takes place in have blue as a word yet
the existance of the term for blue is important for the crayon joke
if i remember correctly, purple is a new term for violet made by crayola, and blue wasn't a word yet during the illiad
so zagreus unlocking a bluish purple crayon would just confuse everyone with words that haven't been created yet
desert meadow
But Zag and everyone else not knowing what the heck blue means would only add to the joke, right?
languid arrow
that is the joke
i was asking because i wanted to know if blue was still unreleased
because joking about blue not existing is funny
weak spruce
doing a routed run is basically lowkey cheating right
olive pasture
Okay
About to fight Hades again
I have 2 Defy Deaths and 1 of the Skelly guy
But it's level 2 so it's 75 HP when I die, right?
narrow hemlock
doing a routed run is basically lowkey cheating right
i mean not really? routed runs take a lot of time and effort
grand crystal
doing a routed run is basically lowkey cheating right
its seeded, i wouldnt call it cheating since winning is still based on the skill of the player and it being routed allows for the right setup
like the 64 heat run was routed
so yes it being seeded matters but its still the skill of the player mostly
narrow hemlock
the point of cheating is to do something by essentially the easiest means possible, routing runs is pretty much opposite of that
narrow hemlock
its not something just any player can do, you have to have a lot of intimate knowledge about how the game works
olive pasture
Advice on Hades second stage?
weak spruce
I see
weak spruce
Advice on Hades second stage?
get behind him and unleash whatever you have when he does the 3-split laser
he can't hit you during that
olive pasture
Okay
grand crystal
for the omni-direction laser hug him
grand crystal
theres a little circle around him when he does the omni laser that you can sit in
weak spruce
yep
grand crystal
<1/2 is beeg laser
weak spruce
during the first phase of second phase
grand crystal
1/2 is smol laser
weak spruce
always 3-split laser
olive pasture
I play Hollow Knight a lot so I've got a ton of muscle memory in terms of knowing like, the movements of bosses and stuff
weak spruce
2nd phase of 2nd phase (after he becomes invulnurable for a bit) always aoe laser
olive pasture
Like for the huge dash spin it has a pretty long lasting circular windup
grand crystal
I play Hollow Knight a lot so I've got a ton of muscle memory in terms of knowin...
lmao me too tho
olive pasture
I have Athena Aid so I can take a few of the skulls
As in, I'm entirely invulnerable to them xD
grand crystal
hehe me speedrunning and having to do watcher knights without anything cool ;w;
weak spruce
for the omni-direction laser hug him
hol up, he can't hit you if you're close to him during that ?
weak spruce
you just made my runs easier
olive pasture
Watcher Knights are arguably the worst designed boss
grand crystal
behind the spears
grand crystal
Watcher Knights are arguably the worst designed boss
i feel like its designed well just not meant to be done with sequence breaks :/
half zephyr
Don’t use anything that can knock you out either
grand crystal
^
olive pasture
Okay, going to go fight him
grand crystal
like casts
half zephyr
You end up right in laser
grand crystal
good luck 
olive pasture
With OP Zeus boons
grand crystal
zeus gun is best gun
weak spruce
zeus attack is the way to go for adamant
olive pasture
I can't share images but
grand crystal
unless its hestia aspect :3
weak spruce
I'm an eris guy
olive pasture
Level 4 Frost FLourish
Drunken Dash + Athena Aid both Level 2
but yeah, gonna go fight him
When I get him to his second phase I'll pause it 
weak spruce
he gives too many openings
grand crystal
and i go faster when he is faster
weak spruce
plus no spawns yes
weak spruce
I like it when bosses give openings like that
basically saying come kill me
then there's the 3rd phase 
dire dagger
so i just found out that pierced butterfly only works for the reward room in styx, is that the same for chaos and well of charon effects? (only decreasing the counter at the last room?)
since they share the keyword Encounter?
or just an exception for pierced butterfly?
dire dagger
right, then is that just an exception for keepsakes?
half zephyr
For some
grand crystal
yea like mom pom doesnt have to deal with that restriction
but butterfly and plume do
olive pasture
got 2 second stage 
grand crystal
kinda dumb ngl but makes sense for balance reasons
olive pasture
but I'm on 21 hp and I ran out of the death thingies
dire dagger
yea makes sense, just wish it'd be worded differently then
olive pasture
It seems this was not the run xD
grand crystal
well youll get the run eventually :3
cerulean ferry
Better luck next time
winter zinc
just wondering, how can i send images here?
also how do ppl get the 325,000 darkness needed for all the ranks and stuff
or even the 25,000 for the chaos background
brisk trail
I'd say dm it to the person you're talking to
winter zinc
i like doing higher and higher heat but i feel it nets me very little darkness
ah ok
does anyone have good darkness farming strategies that still keep runs interesting
brisk trail
Use the weapons that have the darkness around them
narrow hemlock
just wondering, how can i send images here?
upload elsewhere and post the link
as for darkness farming, prioritize weapons with dark thirst, look for chaos boons that buff the darkness you earn, get poseidon boons
winter zinc
ic
thank you! ill keep an eye out for those chaos boons
im already a dark thirst slave haha
narrow hemlock
also the ranks are meant to be an endgame resource sink for when you've basically gotten everything else done and dont have much use for your resources anymore. you're not really meant to do those as you're still finishing out content
winter zinc
good point
dire dagger
does stuff that boosts "Attack" affect only regular attacks or dash strikes/specials too?
winter zinc
ive done epilogue so i feel like ive finished most stuff? my mirror is just about maxed but ig i should finish the mirror first lol
winter zinc
does stuff that boosts "Attack" affect only regular attacks or dash strikes/spec...
i think it usually also buffs dash strikes
not specials though
there are a few exceptions where it doesnt affect dash strike but i think those are rare
brisk trail
What do the darkness and key things do in Hades' chambers?
I poured some in and unlocked something but I don't recall what
craggy barn
there are a few exceptions where it doesnt affect dash strike but i think those ...
all boons that affect attack also affect dash-strikes. it's actually the other way around here, sometimes it only affects dash-strikes
craggy barn
What do the darkness and key things do in Hades' chambers?
they're badges, it's nothing more than a resource sink that you shouldn't worry about. even if you're a completionist
sage solstice
but does artemis dash affect dash specials from fists?
sage solstice
thats a bummer
winter zinc
attack isnt any damage, its specifically the left clicking
haha yea itd be really strong if that was the case
winter zinc
I poured some in and unlocked something but I don't recall what
the badges are just for flexing. you also get a cool thing next to your hp bar which is the main draw for me
sage solstice
that one hammer with the double damage on dash special
winter zinc
i personally struggle to use dash special
since im keyboard
my brain has trouble hitting space, then q, all in the right direction lol
dire dagger
"Trove Trial: Earn up to 0 🪙 " what a deal!
half zephyr
Can always change keybind
jovial parrot
does anyone know if chaos boons remove the buff of shattered shackle?
narrow hemlock
shackle isnt affected by chaos boons
the shackle is affected by your core boons, being your attack, special and cast slots. chaos boons cant be equipped there
restive cave
having a rough time finding something that has high enough damage output to beat EM4 dad
using bow mostly
tight cave
Just had my fastest fight against Theseus and Asterius. I had faced Asterius as a miniboss so his health was already decreased. I got in, quick-fired some casts, called Than on both of them and after just doing that Asterius was almost vanquished and Theseus was already at 50%.
olive pasture
Why is Styx so difficult for no reason
tight cave
Two words for you: Tidal Dash. With the exception of end chambers, each corridor room is usually so small that Tidal Dash and Razor Shoals just destroys everything.
olive pasture
I thought the whole point was that regardless of what you got, you'd still have a fair chance
I had pretty good everything, the problem is poison and how damn hard it is to find the fountains
fleet acorn
honestly my gripe with styx is more the snakestones
restive cave
gotta make it a habit to identify the fountains location as soon as you walk through the door when everything is still calm cuz if youre like me youll wait till things get crazy to try and find it then by the time you do youre at 25% hp
fleet acorn
esp FO1/2 and/or speeder snakestones
tight cave
Snakestones are alright when they're close together, but when they're far away from each other..
Probably the worst for snakestones is that big chamber with a pit in the middle.
olive pasture
I find the mobs in this game to be more difficult to manage than the bosses
almost all the bosses are pretty easy to handle (except Theseus)
whenever you fight the Styx it's just plain frustrating
tight cave
Well of course then there's the synergy that enemies can have with Hades himself when summoned. Voidstones making him impervious is a nightmare to deal with.
restive cave
how do you prevent hades from healing so much
charred saffron
you cant
restive cave
3 runs in a row i get dad to like 10% hp in EM4 but can't close the deal
mad cuz bad
rapid agate
almost all the bosses are pretty easy to handle (except Theseus)
theseus/asterius legitimately hardest boss
i spent more time trying to figure them out than i spent with hades
olive pasture
That's sometimes the problem with games like these
rapid agate
normal encounters are small fries tho
olive pasture
The learning curve is simply too high for people to find it enjoyable
olive pasture
Even when the fight is justifiable you run the risk of making learning it boring
But the transition from not knowing to knowing is a huge ambition killer
rapid agate
for me it's just the best
olive pasture
A good example of learning curve done right is Hollow Knight
rapid agate
A good example of learning curve done right is Hollow Knight
haha no
olive pasture
haha yeha wdym
rapid agate
nothing prepared me for the hell that is nkg
olive pasture
But weren't the bosses before that relatively hard?
olive pasture
how does it go like this in hades
olive pasture
relatively easy boss
very easy boss
ridiculous in almost all regards
justifiable hard with good design
Hades is hard because he's a God
olive pasture
Theseus is much less known compared to everything else
rapid agate
hey respect theseus
weary lantern
Do all weapon upgrades that you do stack? Or you choose one path and stick with it ?
brisk trail
My only beef with Theseus' design is that you cannot backstab him while he using his Call.
Same with being unable to backstab Lernie.
olive pasture
how do you backstab bones
rapid agate
lernie is easy anyway tho
olive pasture
Also Theseus is hard because he is annoying
weary lantern
d'you mean blood upgrades?
Yes, like if i upgrade ammo on gun and lets say more damage when standing in special. Do you use both in the run or only one?
olive pasture
He has a Deus Ex Machina, a stupid shield, mindless attacks that clearly require very little thinking
rapid agate
otherwise bow would be broken as all hell
olive pasture
Compared to Chad Bull who hits hard but has fair outline of moves
weary lantern
no you use only one
I wasted my blood then :/ But I kinda figured it how it worked
Chiron Aspect, is that for the bow?
rapid agate
yep
brisk trail
how do you backstab bones
Same way you backstab any of the Bloodless.
weary lantern
I kinda like the gun... what you guys think is best... reload and damge first shoot or more damage when standing in special ?
brisk trail
Both are very very strong.
brisk trail
Eris currently holds the world record for speedrunning.
rapid agate
bonus damage
weary lantern
Eris currently holds the world record for speedrunning.
Oh cool will have to look into that
I really like the gun but sometimes it feels like the stages takes forever because no damage
but i just unlocked upgrades today
rapid agate
special does burst tho
weary lantern
and so far miss placed all 😄
rapid agate
nah dw
half zephyr
and so far miss placed all 😄
There’s no misplacing the blood
You’ll find a way to make it work
weary lantern
Do you need the "stuff" you collect for something else? Feel my last updates are kinda wack might aswell save if. i need more
half zephyr
What works well for others might suck for you
rapid agate
think of it as less "missplaced" and more "prevision"
half zephyr
Do you need the "stuff" you collect for something else? Feel my last updates are...
Yes
weary lantern
Yea i guess, just i tought they all stacked so I did not max any just unlocked a few
half zephyr
Diamonds for story quest related stuff & house decor
And ambrosia for relationships & friendships after locked heart
weary lantern
Sorry i mean the stuff for mirror
half zephyr
Darkness
weary lantern
Yes
half zephyr
Ye, you only need that for 1 story related thing
The rest is decorations & a resource sink
But you should make it a goal to max both sides of the mirror
So you can easily swap between the sides as needed
weary lantern
Both sides ? I must have missed something lmfao
half zephyr
You have it since a convo with Nyx close to the start
weary lantern
What side is regarded as the strongest?
half zephyr
This is my setup that works p well for me 
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half zephyr
What side is regarded as the strongest?
Depends on the player
Most end up using a mix
weary lantern
Oh you can mix, then i really missed something
Im kinda close I guess to max all the starters tho
weary lantern
Yea im dumb
weary lantern
dont tell me there is life steal and armor pen or i might hurt myself
half zephyr
Not as such
You have dark regen which gives you back health base on a % of how much darkness you pick up
Think it’s 5%?
I don’t remember
So if you do collection runs bosses drop darkness & you just about insta heal from that
weary lantern
Okay sounds kinda good
half zephyr
There is 1 green that gives you stronger dmg against undamaged foes too
weary lantern
thats good
weary lantern
I feel like I always lack damage
half zephyr
Maybe you don’t pick up the right boons
weary lantern
but then I have mostly played with gun and. no upgrades
I try to pick damage increase and level them up
half zephyr
It increases based on base dmg tho
weary lantern
I like zeus if you get a few and get the jolt one
Yea io notice something isnt right
because you barely notice it lol
weary lantern
No idea but i guess kinda low, because it's not very strong
like when facing that cow in 3th realm you might fall asleep before he dies
half zephyr
I like to use ares, but most will tell you ares on gun attack is bad
half zephyr
like when facing that cow in 3th realm you might fall asleep before he dies
Asterius
He has a name
weary lantern
Yea invincible cow
weary lantern
Hes the most annoying boss in the game imo
half zephyr
No he’s easy
He just hits hard, but he’s easy to avoid since he telegraphs his moves so well
weary lantern
I guess but when you meet him before the real fight it just takes to long
half zephyr
Alecto is more annoying since she likes to hide away in her rage cloud and shoot sawdisks at you
weary lantern
but thats because i got weak damage i guess
half zephyr
I guess but when you meet him before the real fight it just takes to long
Not if you have right dps
weary lantern
What is the go to for guns you have any idea?
half zephyr
Eris?
weary lantern
I like the one where you get damage and slow, then you can really kite easily
half zephyr
Though many love Hestia
weary lantern
I meant like boons
half zephyr
Uhm
I get attack ares & then something status on special..
A status dash or Poseidon & hope for rupture later on
Any aid, though aphy is always nice
Don’t really use cast so cast can be whatever
¯_(ツ)_/¯
weary lantern
Oh really? I use cast alot since you uppgrade in mirror so you do more damage to foes
carmine ravine
I meant like boons
Use zeus atk and aphro special, for starters
Boiling blood, even hades use that on you in the final battle
weary lantern
Use zeus atk and aphro special, for starters
Will try this
"Weak" i try to get some of every game
carmine ravine
Dont forget to get jolted on the zeus for the mirror stuff
weary lantern
Dont forget to get jolted on the zeus for the mirror stuff
How do you mean for the mirror stuff?
half zephyr
Privileged status
carmine ravine
^
weary lantern
I try to get jolted if i have 2 or more zeus boons
carmine ravine
Those are cool
weary lantern
But I've had similiar to those boons a few runs but still very poor damage, but maybe now when i get upgrades it will make a big diff
I like the idea of empowered shot but seems kinda lame to reload after every shot to get it
so i think i go with eris
weary lantern
I played a fair bit of graves in lol, maybe i get used too it 😄
weak spruce
I rushed as fast as I could, skipped everything I could for the best time
all I got is 15:11
fml
weak spruce
I mean it is my best time
half zephyr
16:45:40
weak spruce
but it's not a good time compared to what people have
dire dagger
um so how exactly are you supposed to deal with flame wheels with the fists? just running around and hoping they crash?
dire dagger
... that's a great point, i never remember to use my casts
wait, deflect protects from the explosions too?
carmine ravine
Yeah
dire dagger
hmm ok then, ty
restive cave
just dash back and forth across the misty ponds
theyll try and follow you all the way around the outside of it
gives you breathing room sometimes
tardy grove
they usually explode on their own after a little bit
vital fern
I have a question about aphrodite's favor; does it matter if you choose to stay friends with all the options?
brisk trail
Nope.
vital fern
ty, personally didin't like any of the romance options :V
brisk trail
That happens. I don't like Than.
Meg actually did have me a little shook until one day something clicked and her voice made me melt.
carmine ravine
Melt in what sense
weak spruce
I want artemis romance
carmine ravine
Same
brisk trail
Hard to put into words, but it's a positive feeling.
carmine ravine
Prolly asmr
restive cave
is there any way to skip the narrator's speech at the end of every successful escape
grand crystal
is there any way to skip the narrator's speech at the end of every successful es...
nope
restive cave
having to hear that every time makes me wish my dad woulda pulled out smh my head
broken cradle
are there any more uses for cthonic keys after unlocking all the weapons and everything from the mirror?
heavy hound
House contractor
broken cradle
oh lol i didnt even notice that he had services that cost keys
ty!
do all erebus gates require heat 10?
brazen lagoon
its 5,10,15 heat
broken cradle
well
what a glorious waste of 5 diamonds xD
im currently grinding out heat 0 and 1 depending on which weapons get the boost
timid vine
ah yes i love trying to obtain exclusive access and then getting it as the very last boon i could possibly obtain this run
broken cradle
man i hate the fountain mechanic to cure poison
its so clunky...
earnest falcon
Yeah, seems like you can use is instantly after dashing
broken cradle
sometimes it works fine
at other times its awful
lost 2 of my revives to the stupid poison bc i couldnt click the well in the thick of things
dashed past it probably
(also ended up dying for good the 3rd time bc of it)
gaunt geyser
hexagons are the bestagones
granite ether
hexagons are the bestagones
Another CGP Gray viewer i spy 
timid vine
the reference would have been fine if it was in any way related to the conversation
gaunt geyser
the reference would have been fine if it was in any way related to the conversat...
in fairness, the 3rd tooth on hades cloak is a hexagon.
gaunt geyser
I really like the symbolism in hades and the keen attention to detail in the art style of the game.
A huge example of this i can think of is with the main antagonist hades.
As many people notice hades wears a cloak with a skull acting as a pin
This skull has 6 teeth with the central tooth(of course hexagonal shaped) acting as the main structure of the creature, this shows the signicant heights which hades had to over come in his time over throwing, even the bestagones.
Also im really sorry, I clicked the wrong server when I sent that original hexagon message
granite ether
Lol, you're fine no need to apologise
timid vine
its not a big deal just weird why anyone would say it for no reason
high jacinth
Every single fish I've gotten in Chaos rooms have been Projellies...the other 2 fish are the last things I need for the codex
Unsure if I need advice, I guess it's more venting than anything lol
I guess what's weird is Projelly are the "Rare" fish. I haven't even gotten Mati which are supposedly "Common
timid vine
you might need to purposefully mistime the catch to get worse fish
high jacinth
I've been trying for perfect catches to try to get the voidskates firstly cause may as well try for that
high jacinth
Still, I've been playing since early access and I probably haven't only been getting perfect catches
I didn't even realize there were non-projelly fish in chaos rooms lol
pearl lintel
i plan on getting hades soon and im really excited about it, though im not sure if i should get the pc version or the switch version. thoughts?
granite ether
Are you most likely to play it at home in front of your pc or other places that are not in front of your pc (ie. commuting, in bed etc.?)
pearl lintel
im not entirely sure though i mainly play games on my pc anyway
timid vine
do you have a controller for pc or a pro controller for switch or something
pearl lintel
i dont have a controller for pc
timid vine
then probably switch?
being able to walk in more than 8 directions is surprisingly useful
atleast for me
pearl lintel
ah
granite ether
Pc if you mostly play on your pc
The choice between kbm and controller is a purely personal preference thing
pearl lintel
for kbm, how much of the keyboard is used? i used to play maplestory so i don't mind using my entire keyboard though i would prefer it if i didn't
high jacinth
For kbm, you use:
- WASD
- Q
- E
- sometimes the '1' and F keys
- infrequently, the C key
pearl lintel
oh ok thank you guys!!
timid vine
you cant move in circles on keyboard and can only move in like octagons
and also can only aim your dash in 8 directions unless you are using the dash to mouse toggle
willow atlas
I mean I beat the game last night with keyboard & mouse
it's harder to move finely but easier to aim imo
if you're used to playing games like this with a keyboard and mouse setup
that being said basically anyone who speedruns uses a controller for the finer movement accuracy
pearl lintel
wait what games are most comparable to hades or is there nothing really like it
willow atlas
the game I've played that to me is most similar in general gameplay style is Enter the Gungeon
obviously it's its own game
high jacinth
Bastion, Supergiant's first game, has the same basic combat flow, but Hades has a lot more going on
hollow hawk
that being said basically anyone who speedruns uses a controller for the finer m...
Not really
Again, its purely preference
The wr holder, lili, uses kbm
Lots of other speedrunners use kbm too
timid vine
i did play transistor with keyboard
im not sure why i prefer controller in hades actually
oh it might be the aim assist thats on by default for some reason
i did some testing and its like a 170 degree lock on
willow atlas
The wr holder, lili, uses kbm
iiiii... did not know that
timid vine
it would be cool if you could tune it down a bit instead of just on and off
pliant hull
Keyboard gives you a bit more precision
median needle
Does Hades has mods?
median needle
@brazen lagoon anyone worthwhile?
brazen lagoon
theres a pony QoL mod thats pretty good
also a seed mod where you can determine you run seed and stuff
just explore and see which ones you fancy
timid vine
theres a mod that turns every sprite to zagreus
median needle
Suck that pony qol
It's the only mod
That is not cheating
I was looking for more content mods...
I guess the Hades mod community is this lackluster cuz the game is ... Really difficult to improve
timid vine
modding is hard
median needle
Does anyone knows of supergiant is working on a new dlc?
median needle
modding is hard
Not really
timid vine
as its basically trying to change the game and its not cooperating bc no internal modding api is implemented
so modders have to try and wrangle up new things using content that already exists
median needle
modding is hard
It depends on the developers to ensure a good/efficient mod features
timid vine
for example adding new sprites is just straight up impossible afaik
median needle
as its basically trying to change the game and its not cooperating bc no interna...
If there isn't a modding api then the game is closed to modding
hollow hawk
every game is different lol
Comparing one game's modding scene to another is just dumb
ui design in hades is really hard, since you cant add any new elements and have to bodge together your mod's ui using the elements already in the game
median needle
Comparing one game's modding scene to another is just dumb
Yes but I was just telling an example of a third party api to mod a game
To add sprites animation and almost everything into the game
hollow hawk
The devs do support the modding scene, they're in the modding server, but as it is, only so much is available in the open. A lot of the stuff is hardcoded into the engine and cant be changed
median needle
I guess mods will have a hard time in this game
hollow hawk
Some modders are also just working on supplementing the speedrunning community rather than the whole community of hades
brazen lagoon
Now that Early Access is over, what's next?
Once we're sure our v1.0 launch has settled, our small team will be taking a break to recharge, and plan what's next. We'll be excited to say more about what's in store for us just as soon as we're ready.
read the faq
brazen lagoon
they said theyll announce stuff when its ready
median needle
I guess they will come up with 2 new weapons
timid vine
god i love the electric guitar in the soundtrack so much
median needle
Post Hades
timid vine
every time i launch the game i wait ~6 seconds for it to kick in
median needle
Theres already full space, do you not complete it yet lol
I'm 50 escape attempts.. ding 5-6 heat slowly increasing
peak zealot
I don't want to derail, has anyone ever actually gotten rip current?
carmine ravine
Then wdym to fill up the space
carmine ravine
I don't want to derail, has anyone ever actually gotten rip current?
Which boonnis that
peak zealot
its poseidons
timid vine
1 more duo-able god would be nice
carmine ravine
Yeah but what boon
peak zealot
it modifies poseidons call
median needle
1 more duo-able god would be nice
I think it would be Apollo
Maybe
There is plenty to choose from
carmine ravine
it modifies poseidons call
I think i did get it yeah the pulling into the thing
peak zealot
I've done 6 runs so far with poseidons call, done no fewer than 15 rolls at trying to get the thing (rolls after having gotten the call) and having seen the thing
this RNG is very annoying
carmine ravine
Thats not what I'm referring to
median needle
Thats not what I'm referring to
Sorry I was replying other comment
timid vine
hephaestus would be cooler
median needle
1 more duo-able god would be nice
Hope new non God characters
timid vine
john the mortal
median needle
hephaestus would be cooler
👍 to improve the hammer s
timid vine
"cool" oc self insert
not really improve hammers
you cant have a full god all about improving hammers
mb a duo with someone else would yes
or a leg
carmine ravine
More like effectless boon, only increase stats
timid vine
bouldy already doed that
carmine ravine
Bouldy dont do shet
median needle
Im only missing in Hades a stats like UI, to check precisely attacks damage critical chance, and that nerdy stuff
I guess a mod for that would be cool
There isn't one right?
timid vine
a small ui to the right side of the boon selection so you can see precisely what stat the selection changes?
and in the inventory meny too ofc
median needle
a small ui to the right side of the boon selection so you can see precisely what...
Yeah more of a full separate window
timid vine
theres always weird rule shenanigans around dash strikes and what boons affect them and what dont
hollow hawk
There isn't one right?
there is
kinda like that
its the dps mod by ello
you can find it on nexus
hollow kettle
When you think about it the shop name for Megaera and Dusa could just be Medusa
granite ether
depends on what you find most comfy to play
wise sparrow
whatever you’re comfortable with
gray apex
Its really tough to put one aspect as the "best" for high heats, I would just say its up to your preference to choose the weapons that suit your playstyle the most, everything is viable
wise sparrow
hestia rail is pretty popular and simple
gray apex
Yea Merciful End is a fun one, I mostly like playing it on Demeter
true river
bruh, I just tradekilled with a boss
carmine ravine
What
brazen lagoon
he killed the boss and the boss killed him
charred anchor
i reached the bounty limit for fists, how do i lift that?
charred anchor
it says "for now" tho
is that gonna be like an upgrade or do i have to reach the bounty limits on all the weapons or smn
ornate dragon
Max is 20 for all weapons apparently
hollow hawk
^
ornate dragon
I wonder if any dlc is gonna come out
I love this game so much man
This is giving me hollow night vibes of genuis
brazen lagoon
one can still dream
hollow hawk
and iirc in the last noclip vid they said that they want to move on now
carmine ravine
Hades 2
hasty owl
hades 2: electric boogaloo ft zeus
true river
God trinkets help you get legendaries/duos, right?
carmine ravine
Technically yeah
true river
I'll take technically
lol Ill definitely take technically
http://prntscr.com/10m3g9s
First boon after I asked that question
I finally got this legendary, after a bunch of runs trying to get it OR the artemis legendary, I got both in one run lmao
modern arch
Good job!
true river
now I just need the ares aphrodite duo
modern arch
Miss hearing the out of dialogue voice lines is so fun
Theseus sounds like he’s swearing
And the gun has a sound when reloading that just sounds like someone magical saying the word
GUN
true river
Does hades fight get harder after x amount of runs, like the others do? It seemed like he was doing A LOT more damage last fight, out of nowhere.
gaunt ridge
Hades does alter his moves after certain point
After certain runs I mean.
But I think the damage stays the same.
true river
Weird, thought I saw myself take damage in the 70s, and that was with a good amount of damage resistance
thought it wasnt but maybe I just had boiling blood
carmine ravine
Wdym
brazen lagoon
he hates it
carmine ravine
hasty owl
the dash reduction does suck
vapid narwhal
hades's moveset stays the same unless you have EM4
if you take more than 40 damage (which would be from the spin), you def have boiling blood on you
hardy thistle
serrated point is so good
hardy thistle
if you take more than 40 damage (which would be from the spin), you def have boi...
his spear throw deals more damage i'm pretty sure
i'll check later
vapid narwhal
p sure spear throw is EM4 exclusive?
granite ether
p sure spear throw is EM4 exclusive?
spear throw is EM4 exclusive yeah
craggy barn
serrated point is annoying to use because of the dash nerf but it's pretty good when i'm doing say, an achilles cast build and need something to deal damage while my cast is recharging
it doesn't make your dash last shorter so it's not all bad, you can still easily i-frame attacks
weak spruce
serrated point and +3 extra dash from hermes feels good
hollow hawk
bootleg gilgamesh with a dash strike that actually does something
signal aspen
serrated point and +3 extra dash from hermes feels good
yeah its not that good if you dont have any movement boons
hexed shore
If you dash attack you cancel iframes anyway
hexed shore
Weird, thought I saw myself take damage in the 70s, and that was with a good amo...
You ate the skull
It's boiling blood
Dad also has boiling blood same as you do, if you eat his cast you'll take additional damage until it dislodges
sleek grail
if u knock the skull back to hades does he get debuffed
hexed shore
No
vapid narwhal
no you cant
hexed shore
But you can lodge your own cast and he gets debuffed
vapid narwhal
you can only deflect the lunge damage but the skulls do not hit him
hexed shore
If you have boiling blood ofc
pliant hull
Sicc.
I dunno if broken.
But 90% of a healthbar is pretty nice.
That's a chunk of damage.
unborn remnant
pliant hull
That's <3400 damage to Hades (technically usually a tiny bit less cause you won't be exact on the majority of the time)
pliant hull
The boon in effect does that much damage to bosses.
half zephyr
10% is 10% yes
dire dagger
does that affect both phases?
brazen lagoon
Only the 2nd
dire dagger
makes sense
brazen lagoon
Ye
pliant hull
Less good, for sure, but it's confirmed damage.
God, now I wanna run average numbers of boons on certain builds
dire dagger
i can confirm that would've saved one of my few runs :|
pliant hull
More effective in the previous boss fight; Theseus has 9000/12000 health (EM3), and Asterius is 14000
Also feels nice on those meat tanks of the chariots, and a good rest of Elysium.
What's probably smarter than Excel crunching all of the boons/theoretical damage is just get the boon testing mod
Only reason I haven't is I gotta go through Nexus and not Steam, and that's an amount of effort above 0
signal aspen
bruh
why are you still going on about winter harvest
10% is 10%
did the math for ya
pliant hull
Thx for doing the math.
I'm less curious about Winter Harvest by itself now and more average damage increase of boons as a whole
dire dagger
well at the end of the day it basically nerfs calisthenics program a bit, and adds splash damage to death
seems alright, there are worse boon choices
dire dagger
what most people want from this game: updates/dlc
what i want: the exalted bass line solo in the soundtrack
pliant hull
what I want: NUMBERS
signal aspen
the music slaps
pliant hull
Yeh, the music in this game is great.
fringe elbow
just got the first || lewd skelly statue || lol
earnest falcon
what most people want from this game: updates/dlc
what i want: the exalted bass ...
For me game is so complete that there's no need for any DLCs and such
warped iron
what I want: NUMBERS
what boons are we looking at?
pliant hull
Oh, I just wanna look at the average damage output of damage boons in general
warped iron
hmm
your best bet is probably to ask someone in the modding discord to do an analysis. datamining discussion isn't allowed here
pliant hull
I wasn't going to ask about datamining, good lord.
warped iron
😔
pliant hull
I just wanted to optimize.
warped iron
well, it can go that deep if you want
pliant hull
I have no doubt about that.
And I don't know if I wanna go down that rabbit hole right this second.
warped iron
fair
pliant hull
But it's tempting me, for sure.
warped iron
which weapon do you use?
craggy barn
i just noticed that forced overtime doesn't just make enemies faster, it make literally EVERYTHING faster except for zagreus
how funny would it be if it also sped up dialogue
pliant hull
which weapon do you use?
I like the shield, but I'm still flip floppin about. Sorry I didn't reply, I got lost in stuff
hasty owl
how funny would it be if it also sped up dialogue
lmao imagine hermes on FO2
pliant hull
Including pitch shift?
lost wolf
I put privileged status on hades, then one shot his third phase with Artemis’ greater call
I was like: uuhhhhh did that just happen
desert meadow
Send it elsewhere then link it here
rapid agate
alright
desert meadow
You can't send the actual files here so that's the workaround
rapid agate
desert meadow
What's your current build so far? (weapon, aspect, core boons)
desert meadow
I assume Artemis special?
desert meadow
If you can grab pressure points, splitting headache would probably be the way to go (plus you need it for a prophecy) but exclusive access is a nice addition too.
fringe elbow
anyone know if demeter’s Nourished Soul boon that makes all heart effects more potent will work with cursed slash?
ie. to heal more per hit
grand crystal
ie. to heal more per hit
it should, it does with guan yu so i would expect a similar effect on cursed slash
hollow hawk
If you can grab pressure points, splitting headache would probably be the way to...
you dont need pp
splitting headache is global crit chance
hollow hawk
anyone know if demeter’s Nourished Soul boon that makes all heart effects more p...
no
haelian tested it out
it does not
opal oar
i didn't say anything!!!
desert meadow
splitting headache is global crit chance
oh, that's nice to know
opal oar
hmmm
I have gotten it into my head that the kiss of styx is a. mixed alcoholic drink. was there any implication of that whatseover in canon or am i getting it mixed up with a cranberry kiss?
opal oar
not necessarily but it won't let me say the word i wanna say because that word has within it a banned word
opal oar
c
ocktail?
signal aspen
oh
the river styx is a river of blood
i think
because the pool of styx is a pool of blood
opal oar
I think i was assuming it's made of nectar and styx water and ✨ other stuff ✨ but i legit might have made that up
probably made that up
signal aspen
and it makes sense that kiss of styx is just blood that replenishes your DDs
opal oar
Fair enough. sounds gross lol
opal oar
I mean, i've had blood-based foods? 🤔 but doesn't the styx have like. dead people and at least one boat in it
I wouldn't drink random river water
desert meadow
Zag eats food he finds in wells and from broken vases, of course he'd drink random river water
fringe elbow
“and thus prince zagreus, feeling parched after a bravely fought duel, kneels down to drink from a nearby river. unbeknownst to him, it contains several deadly bacteria and toxins.” respawns
charred anchor
alecto makes fun of zag for having red blood but she also has red blood
after u kill her her blood is red
half zephyr
alecto makes fun of zag for having red blood but she also has red blood
Yes, but you are a god with red blood
Unlike her, being a fury
charred anchor
zag should start calling her redblood, i think thatd be funny
half zephyr
Gods are supposed to have golden ichor
weary lantern
Any must have green mirror upgrades?
half zephyr
Yes
signal aspen
the ones at the bottom
dusky wedge
The last three ones