h1-discussion

[grand crystal]

yea

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

yea you gotta

[half zephyr]

poor skelly

[digital python]

how fitting that now that i've romanced meg & thanatos and im trying to get dusa she's literally ALWAYS talking to meg and i can never talk to her jfc

[deep parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/816115713399980063/unknown.png

uhm

does it actually give a 2nd defiance?
or is the last half meaningless, since it's an SD not a DD?

[brazen lagoon]

Gives you a 2nd one

Dissapears forever if you use it tho

[deep parrot]

does it get used after the SD or before it?

[brazen lagoon]

After

[deep parrot]

cool

[half zephyr]

athena?

[deep parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/816116252896395274/unknown.png

[half zephyr]

wasn't it so that you had to lose the sd in the room before you talked w athena

cuz if not it did nothing

[deep parrot]

I am in styx and bought it in the store

[grand crystal]

yea you have to lose the DD before you get the boon

[deep parrot]

;-;

[half zephyr]

you have to lose the sd, get the boon, exit the chamber & then you get it

[grand crystal]

^^yea

more of abusing the system tbh

[half zephyr]

they left it in tho

[deep parrot]

but arty left that bit out

so it didn't do that

[half zephyr]

arty?
not thena?

[deep parrot]

as in simp

arty simp

[half zephyr]

aah

[deep parrot]

still was probably the better option tho the others were sorta bad lol

[half zephyr]

I mean it does say "replenishes"

or "replenish"

so you get back what you've lost >.>

[deep parrot]

yes but it sounds mute for SD
so I was confused as to why it was there

and then arty lied to me >.>

[half zephyr]

well, didn't lie

just didn't tell the whole truth

[deep parrot]

which can be considered as a lie

[half zephyr]

[brazen lagoon]

I did not lie

What I said was true

[deep parrot]

whatever I don't need it anyways
I'm using SD because I literally don't need any resurrects at all
I can beat hades without ever dying once in the run pretty consistently now
ofc I am at very low heat
but still

and I need an SD clear for the prophecy

ofc I did suicide my SD away to heal 10ish hp once or twice though

but that was intentional

cuz I was below the 30% threshold

[dapper mango]

another try with ruthless reflex with bow was rly fine

i think there are just a bunch of things to keep in mind with ruthless reflex, like you may need either : ranged and fast weapon, extra dodges from hermes or maybe just speed, probably avoid forced overtime and also the added perks on mobs and probably avoid EM4 and maybe EM3. and chill or other slowing effects help make it work also. Oh also i think it works nicely with shield thx to block+bull rush and ofc gilgamesh fists and perhaps achiles spear

so i would say the mirror talent balance is quite quite good, just have to keep some things like that in mind for ruthless reflex or you could get stuck in rly bad scenario in elysium/hades because of it

so yeah im having lot of fun doing a new save 26 attempts on it now (hell mode again) after a break from playing on previous save about 185 attempts also hell mode, its quite interesting to do a new start develop differently and do better

i stopped after reaching 32 heat, rather than trying to go above 32 heat which isnt always balanced afaik (may rly need luck etc), i start new save like that

i havent even tried above 32 heat tho, also cause there aren't bounties and i do like the progression aspect ofc. and on new save i went to play at 8 heat and then 16 heat pretty fast even if its above bounty level cause thats nice and fun when u have xp with the game cool cool 76% success rate so far instead of about 65% on previous save, first save i had first win at 30th attempt, second save at 3rd

[trail plover]

any tips for using the spear?

I find that I am the worst with it cause I just don't know how to efficiently kill enemies.

omg skelly just made a pun

I smacked him with the spear and he goes

That's the spear-it

((dialogue captions don't spell it like that but that's what I heard)

[deep parrot]

confirmation bias tbh

@trail plover when using the special, try and line up multiple enemies so you can hit multiple with one hit

same with the attack too I guess

also because of the range of both, best to not stay in normal melee range, and instead be sorta far so you have more time to react to attacks and crap

[trail plover]

Hmm, okay. Any boon suggestions? I'm trying Ares on spear to see if that helps speed things up but I'll admit he's not my favorite.

[deep parrot]

ares is only good on stuff you rarely use, cuz tbh doom is sorta trash

cuz he doesn't give an actual damage buff for the main slots
just doom

[trail plover]

yeah I normally kill stuff before it can proct too

but I find the spear to be really slow so I guess it works? 🤷

[dapper mango]

you should prob use the charged spin attack also with spear, and you can do a dash after it is charged to release it while dashing which is quite strong

[brazen lagoon]

maybe try something like heart rend maybe

[dapper mango]

yes the spear is slower in general

[trail plover]

is this an aphrodite boon?

[dapper mango]

but rather safe it has good potential

[deep parrot]

meanwhile weak is sorta trash but aphrodite boons give strong % boosts

[brazen lagoon]

duo with aphro and arte

[trail plover]

i do like the spin attack but it makes me stand in place for too long

[trail plover]

ah thanks

[dapper mango]

do you do dash after charging spin?

[brazen lagoon]

you could try an aphro attack with PP or arte special

[trail plover]

if I am able to yeah

[dapper mango]

like you can either dash after charging before releasing, or dash after releasing

[tranquil thistle]

Qq do boons carry across all weapons? Or do they only stick with the weapon you have equipped at the time?

[modern garnet]

Boons reset when you die

And you can't change weapons between deaths so

[tranquil thistle]

Cool thank you! Just started the game and was curious.

[deep parrot]

imagine if you just accumulated all the boons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/816155341251280926/unknown.png

I have 4 styx paths left

[brazen lagoon]

nice

[deep parrot]

I could still manage to get all 3 boons to heroic right?

[brazen lagoon]

ye

[deep parrot]

literally set useless boons to common anyways, so I don't even care lmao

[trail plover]

I should just use a jolted build with the spear next time

I will probably have a lot more fun with it. 😂

[deep parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/816157875734577192/unknown.png

holy crap this boon is op with SD if you can self damage and force yourself to lose your SD

oh wait during battle

well still

just hide

[trail plover]

Haha pretty much

It’s a nice safety net

[deep parrot]

like if you're using DD you're not gonna sac your DD just to heal

but why not sac your SD just to heal

tfw you're just running from your father so you can heal

.>

[charred anchor]

just did 16 heat in 20 min!!

[deep parrot]

@calm eagle sorry for taking so long to tell you, I probably beat her like 30ish times

[wild solar]

I have great news 😄

[deep parrot]

yes?

[wild solar]

Today, I:

• Had a serious conversation with Meg where Zag revealed his feelings
• Slayed Skelly with max Zag aspect
• unlocked aspect of Rama (and oh boy it's really cool)
• Finished Primordial Boons from the fated list
• Caught oh so many fish
• Was offered two duos at the same time (thanks for nothing Aphrodite )
• Nearly escaped for the third time but got done in by the flaming skulls exploding

So...a lot happened 😄

But damn me if I had a good time

[deep parrot]

if you didn't escape it is meaningless

[wild solar]

Oh be quiet

[deep parrot]

I am just teasing ofc

[wild solar]

Let me enjoy my progress, however minimal it may be

[versed zinc]

When is the next update coming?

[deep parrot]

I get it

[versed zinc]

Still waiting for the next update

[deep parrot]

@versed zinc schnauzer in your pfp?

[brazen lagoon]

it arrives when it pleases

[versed zinc]

Yep

[deep parrot]

lil pupper

on hell mode using Guan Yu, is healing 5%?

[grand crystal]

wdym

guan yu only heals 1 point no matter the mod i think

unless its like 100% lc

[deep parrot]

cuz hell mode causes -25% healing
guan yu causes -70% healing

[grand crystal]

i actually dont know how to describe it

[deep parrot]

and afaik multipliers are added not multiplied in this game

[grand crystal]

but it wasnt that bad when i played it

i felt literally no difference outside of the gy edit

like hearts only gave me 8 like they normally do

cthonic vital was still the 2 it normally is

and gy still healed 1 per hit of the spin

[modern quail]

so... what do i do now that i've gone all the way to the epilogue?

are there any other games i should be playing with a similar feel?

[grand crystal]

keep playing hades lol

[deep parrot]

^ this

there is more

[grand crystal]

ummm bastion is the most similar in gameplay if youre looking for sgg stuff

[modern quail]

well i mean i guess i could get all the way to 32 heat

i've gotten all the companions and done all the prophecies

[deep parrot]

you could get all the way to 60 heat or smtn
whatever tf is the max

[grand crystal]

64 heat lol

[deep parrot]

has anyone actually beat a 64 heat run tho? lmao

[modern quail]

isn't the world record for a successful run like 60 heat?

[grand crystal]

i think so

[deep parrot]

lmao

do 64 anyways

[modern quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm9hha2HWDA

for real though are there no other action roguelike with similarly snappy combat? or even just topdown adventure games? i've heard good things about hyper light drifter

[brazen lagoon]

waiting on 61 heat

[deep parrot]

the probably most brutal parts are the mirror disable thing

[grand crystal]

hyper light is interesting to say the least, its a lot more controled than hades if yk what i mean

[deep parrot]

some of the mirror is so essential

especially DD

[modern quail]

i think i managed to beat megara without the mirror once, that's as far as i got though

[grand crystal]

ummm wizard of legend is good tho and feels similar

[deep parrot]

lmao

[grand crystal]

lol freshfile is fun

ive gotten to champions on freshfile :3

[deep parrot]

yes but fresh file you don't start at 64 heat

you are at like pseudo 12 heat

[grand crystal]

cant wait to see boonless mirrorless 64 heat

[deep parrot]

lmao

[modern quail]

i think boonless has been done

[grand crystal]

yea people haev done boonless

i have

[deep parrot]

yes but not 64 heat boonless

[grand crystal]

but not on 64 heat 😎

[deep parrot]

isn't boonless a prophecy, or atleast an achiev?

[grand crystal]

its just for dialogue i think

funny little things only completionists care about ngl

[modern quail]

yeah there's a dialogue line acknowledging it

just like there's a dialogue line acknowledging you getting to hades on your first attempt

[deep parrot]

wait
boonless mirrorless is practically impossible
the rng required to not get any boons and not just reroll them

[grand crystal]

lol that line isnt even first attempt exclusive

[modern quail]

well boonless is fighting hades with no boon

which is accomplished by selling them as you go

[deep parrot]

yes but you can only sell a little more than 3 per section

[grand crystal]

and the dialogue is the slightest change only for continuity

[grand crystal]

honestly i only had like 2 authorities and it didnt really help but i got lucky and had 3 boons an area and got a 2 sack

so i was able to without rerolls being major

[deep parrot]

damn

[modern quail]

i wish there were more levels

or rooms

are modders even close to being able to add that kind of thing?

[grand crystal]

honestly i feel like theyve done what theyve done tho(for sgg that is)

since greek hell is greek hell

made of the diff areas in the game already

and if they add a "surface realm" thing thatll be breaking set lore unless they add some bs

[modern quail]

well if nothing else more room variety for each zone would be nice

there could also be alternate version of various zones

i hope they do a sequel at some point

[grand crystal]

-_-

[deep parrot]

what would the story of the sequel even be lmao

[modern quail]

i have absolutely no idea

[grand crystal]

i dont mean any sort of negative connotation towards you but it bothers me when people are like "i want more" when they cant really

like sgg cant do much else :/

lore is established, story has closed

there isnt much else

[modern quail]

well tbh i was thinking it'd be focused on a different character set in the same universe

[deep parrot]

all I could really see them doing is like revolving around escaping the labyrinth or smtn, or a different mythology
but really expecting a sequel is just silly

[modern quail]

i wouldn't say i expect a sequel

i'd like one

[grand crystal]

and even then just changing the mythos and calling that a new game is kinda dumb ngl

since itll be the same game, just diff characters

and not be new or really fun if they just do hades but again

all of their games, although isometric, all feel different

and just haveing hades 2 but its hindu would be kinda dumb

[deep parrot]

well typically a sequel is the same gameplay but a different story

[grand crystal]

but what story is there

whats left

[deep parrot]

nothing

[modern quail]

if you focus on zagreus and the underworld

[grand crystal]

and changing mythos would also be kinda weird since how would that dynamic work since hidden aspects confirm that everything exists

[modern quail]

but i'd really like to see the wider world outside of hades

[grand crystal]

its literally just greece tho :/

[modern quail]

honestly i'd love to see supergiant try their hand at a baldur's gate style epic rpg

[deep parrot]

I'm just saying "same game just diff chars doesn't sound fun" is literally saying sequels in general are dumb

and tbf a lot of sequels can be dumb

but still

not saying hades should have a sequel though

trying to make a sequel of hades would be silly

[grand crystal]

but its not fun when its the same thing. AAA companies at least add some sort of gimmick to change up the gameplay

sgg changes the entire combat/gameplay rhythm

[deep parrot]

what is the "gimmick" between FO3, FONV, and FO4?

[grand crystal]

idk what any of those are

[deep parrot]

Fallout

[modern quail]

i think it's okay for sequels to sometimes just be more of the same

[grand crystal]

ahh

[modern quail]

now like

i don't think the characters of hades need additional resolution or anything

or at least not the underworld ones

[deep parrot]

usually sequels are the same gameplay just a new story in my experience

[grand crystal]

i havent played fallout so i cant have much of a stance there :/

[modern quail]

i feel like the olympian gods could do with more exploration

[deep parrot]

ofc I like RPGs though and RPGs are mostly the story

[modern quail]

maybe i just want a game where i can play as artemis

[deep parrot]

FPA
First Person Archer

🙃

[grand crystal]

now im just thinking of horizon zero dawn but its first person

that would be scary tho

but yea imo you need some sort of change to the gameplay otherwise it gets wayy to repeditive, hence why i dont like more modern pokemon, they dont change it enough

but legends is what im looking forward to

[deep parrot]

Hades 2 is you get to pick different outfits for Zagreus and it's exactly the same elsewise, even story

[grand crystal]

i do want to put zag in megs outfit tbh

[deep parrot]

but would you pay 20 bucks for that?

[grand crystal]

ofc

[deep parrot]

LMAO

[modern quail]

i don't think different outfits is possible for them

since all their sprites are prerendered

[deep parrot]

well there we go you like an idea for Hades 2

[grand crystal]

yeaa costumes in games in general are an insane amount of work

[grand crystal]

-_-

[modern quail]

adding new outfits would mean redoing the animations for every single weapon

[grand crystal]

^^and every single portrait

[modern quail]

from every single angle

the portraits would be easy in comparison

there's only like five

[grand crystal]

thats also why most games only have them rigged on a skeleton and nothing else

like its not unique, its just the armor/skins are overlayed

[deep parrot]

think of it this way
they made all of those frames of zagreus already
so if they made a new rip off game where it was the same but a different skin, it would require that work

[narrow hemlock]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425

[grand crystal]

yea its just too damn much work

hence why for my game idea, i would love to do costumes but im wanting it hand drawn ;w;

so that would be a lot of work

[deep parrot]

also I am a bit confused
you said you'd pay 20 bucks for getting a new outfit for zagreus
but you wouldn't buy a Hades 2 for 20 bucks that is the exact same but you can choose between zag zagreus or meg outfit zagreus?

both scenarios seem outlandish and stupid to me

but you only -_- at one of them

[modern quail]

i wonder if they'll ever transition to realtime 3d

seems unlikely since they haven't yet

it'd make some thing easier though

tbh i was convinced hades had 3d models on 2d backgrounds for the longest time

[deep parrot]

it's so much less work to make it a 3D model and just take frames of that model

I don't get why they do it all manually

[modern quail]

i think they're working with a strictly two dimensional game engine

[deep parrot]

the 3D models wouldn't even have to be in the game though

[modern quail]

oh i'm pretty sure it's all prerendered

[deep parrot]

it could be just used for development

[modern quail]

like adding outfits isn't just a matter of the work to animate them

[deep parrot]

but instead they make each frame of each model manually

shiver

[modern quail]

they also take up a ton of extra space

[grand crystal]

yk i only have the idea that every weapon has a unique zag object considering how long it takes to load to switch weapons

instead of having 1 object with each weapon only telling what animations to call

[modern quail]

eeyup

each one is its own set of sprites

[deep parrot]

lmao imagine if someone just went and sent a message like "@supergiant when will Hades 2 start development" or some other bs

I wonder how many people would go mad from someone even considering that question

[modern quail]

i'm just gonna wait for supergiant to do their thing

whatever it is it's probably gonna be cooler than whatever we'd think of

[grand crystal]

tbh i really wanna pitch my game idea to them just to see what they think of it but im nervous and only have theory

[deep parrot]

"@umbrella#6169 could you use my game idea? 🥺"

[brazen lagoon]

@ mr supergiant i have idea for hades 2

[deep parrot]

LMAO

[brazen lagoon]

zagrus fight god

[deep parrot]

you just said god
do you mean christian/jewish god?

[brazen lagoon]

god

[deep parrot]

lol ok

[modern quail]

sequel is zagreus somehow ends up fighting his way out of every mythological afterlife

[deep parrot]

"guys what if zagreus could fight nazis"

[modern quail]

nazi zombies

[brazen lagoon]

zagreus time travels and fights deities from every myth

[deep parrot]

I am lmaoing rn at how dumb this is

imagine someone actually sincerely having these ideas

[modern quail]

so what do ya'll play on?

i like using an arcade stick

[deep parrot]

PC
ofc
oh you mean controler
KB+M
ofc

Kappa

[grand crystal]

i like the dk bongo drums

a toaster every now of then is also fun to play on

[brazen lagoon]

kbm

[deep parrot]

"super giant could Hades 2 be Zagreus fighting his dad but like, he's super even more angry now"

[brazen lagoon]

and also ddr pads when im feelin frisky

[grand crystal]

hehe zag crashed the macedonian

[deep parrot]

"supergiant could you make a dlc where zagreus fights the god of the dead/underworld in every mythology to escape?"

Hades: Unstable Edition

[stiff trellis]

Nah when do we get Zag fighting through olympus and getting cthonic boons

[astral swift]

Zagreus has to fight every problematic parent in Greek Mythos

[deep parrot]

lmao

[astral swift]

Game never ends

[deep parrot]

because they're all problematic

but also just saying the game already never ends..

[stiff trellis]

Ngl that would actually be an awesome twist on the gameplay tho

Difficult to design? Absolutely

Still cool tho

[astral swift]

Zagreus sees some familiar faces in the line of upcoming bosses

[deep parrot]

zagreus fights himself in the future when he becomes a problematic parent

[astral swift]

you were supposed to destroy the ancestry not join it!

[stiff trellis]

fights dionysus
wins
dies at the same time

[brazen lagoon]

really want zag to fight his way to olympus to hang out with the gods and stuff

feel like thatd be fun

[deep parrot]

I don't get the joke

[stiff trellis]

The "zagreus and dionysus are the same person" myth

[brazen lagoon]

zag and dio are basically the same person

yea

[deep parrot]

all we need now is for zagreus to be his own father

[covert mason]

Can you purge chaos boons? I forget

[brazen lagoon]

no

[covert mason]

I figured.. I had a brain fart and went into Chaos' lair, forgetting you can't purge it.. while doing my no boon challenge lol

[runic parrot]

that still qualifies as a no olympian help challenge

[deep parrot]

cuz she's a chthonic god

[runic parrot]

they

[stoic violet]

How come the rail won't shoot hades from behind the lil pillar?? It goes backwards and I hate it

[runic parrot]

the pillars act as an unbreakable hitbox

nothing goes thru them

[stoic violet]

I wanna shoot him when he lasers, but I can't! XD

[runic parrot]

then dont shoot him while he lasers

if youre really brave you can go right up to him and hug him

laser hitbox start a bit out of his body

so if you stand real close you wont get hit

iirc

[stoic violet]

I'll probably forget to by the time I get there again, but hopefully I'll try that

[runic parrot]

honestly i'd just use the time he lasers to rest up a bit

or use my summon

[vapid narwhal]

||just so you know that trick does not work on EM4||

[unborn ermine]

||It works for a small amount of time technically||

[stoic violet]

Ahhh!! I got to Hades with my first run playing excalibur, and with the coin to damage upgrade and 2000 coins but lost first phase because the I had to go through every area in the last area and lost all my death defiance.... X3

Excalibur op

[stiff trellis]

||It works if you don't understand the concept of consequences||

[dusky wedge]

Do people absolutely take Chaos Gates whenever they’re given one? Is this an insta take for most people?

What about Infernal Gates?

[runic parrot]

depends

if it's immediately before a penultimate room and i'm on 30+ heat, i usually dont wanna take my chances

i never take erebus

[dusky wedge]

Really? Even the ones with boon rewards?

[runic parrot]

yeah

[dusky wedge]

Wow, ok

[runic parrot]

i dont really not get hit

which is to say, i almost always get hit

[dusky wedge]

My thoughts about it was, just risk it all

High risk high rewards thingy

But I get what you’re saying I guess

[runic parrot]

well yeah that's their point

but personally i suck

thats why i dont take them

unless they're before the penultimate shop i guess

[dusky wedge]

Better anything else then an onion

[runic parrot]

because its basically a free boon if i win and no loss to me if i lose

[vapid narwhal]

I only take chaos gates in Tartarus and Asphodel and only early in the area

most of the times the debuff is bit much in Elysium

[dusky wedge]

What about infernal?

[vapid narwhal]

I also only take erebus in Tartarus

[dusky wedge]

Ahh

[vapid narwhal]

MAYBE in Asphodel if I have a good build

[dusky wedge]

Alright

In my mind, I thought every player just insta pick these gates

[vapid narwhal]

there is one time I took a chaos gate in room 12 or so in Tartarus, basically 2 from furies on EM

[runic parrot]

flayed or maimed before theseus

[vapid narwhal]

and I got + damage taken vs Tisi on EM

you know how it ended

[runic parrot]

i'll take that over the damage taken when you attack/spec/cast

[dusky wedge]

What curse do you guys feel easier or harder than most other on Chaos gates?

[runic parrot]

just said mine

maimed/flayed/atrophic

[vapid narwhal]

maimed absolutely

you basically can only take it on a very few aspects

[simple tulip]

guys, i've been to temple of styx like 10 times by now and i've been missing one single enemy in wanton ransacking. i looked at wiki and it's dire bother. i look at an image and i swear i've encountered it, anyways i've been missing it for many runs by now, what do i do?

it's just the thing that throws bombs right? i see it in like the first 3 rooms all the time

[runic parrot]

its the miniboss version

[simple tulip]

oh, so enlarged?

in that case i have never encountered it then as i don't normally go for the miniboss or skull chambers

[runic parrot]

go for them then lol

they're usually pretty fast to kill

if you dont have MM on

the dire bother's room is kind of annoying though

[simple tulip]

are they easier than the rooms without the skull?

[runic parrot]

i wouldnt say easier

[simple tulip]

i just mainly find the traps the most annoying

and the stupid poison tossing satyrs

[hollow hawk]

they are easier once you have companions unlocked

but before that, theyre about the same difficulty level

you just have to learn the miniboss' patterns

what they do

and how to avoid their attacks

[runic parrot]

the regular big rooms have 3 waves of enemies you have to go through which sucks if youre speedrunning

[hollow hawk]

if you can do that, you will always take miniboss doors in styx

miniboss rooms also have much bigger rewards than normal chambers

[runic parrot]

yep, higher chances of rare and epic

[hollow hawk]

so for example, a normal chamber pom will only give you 1 lvl, while miniboss will give you 2 lvls

and higher rarity too on boons^^

and double gold

so 200 gold

and 50 health

etc

[simple tulip]

I don’t have a companion unlocked

Should I try farm maegera nectar for her companion?

[runic parrot]

sure but keep in mind meg is kinda hard to get

[simple tulip]

Why?

[runic parrot]

well they're all rng but sometimes meg just wont even be in the house for you to talk to

and even when she is, she won't always advance her storyline

[simple tulip]

So it’s a %chance she gives me a companion after an ambrosia

[runic parrot]

nah she will give a companion once you give her the ambrosia

but getting that chance to give her an ambrosia is hard

[simple tulip]

I see her at home more often than not

And besides, I can just suicide to see her right

[runic parrot]

^

[quiet elbow]

Does that work the same for achilles or do I need to give nectar to petroclus too

|| because idk how to get the house contractor thing for him ||

[runic parrot]

||patroclus' will advance after achilles is released||

you have to initiate a very specific series of dialogues

goes meg then nyx

[quiet elbow]

Which is hard to get because of aforementioned %chance

[vapid narwhal]

talk to everyone after every run and pray for RNG

[quiet elbow]

curse you 300,000 word script!

[runic parrot]

i kinda despised trying to get all the storylines over with

probably one of my worst gripes with this game

[quiet elbow]

not bad unless you've already 100% the game

just enjoy the amazing voice acting

[runic parrot]

what

my point is all the storylines are required for 100% lol

[vapid narwhal]

technically 100% will take you hundreds of hours because of all the warden ranks

[runic parrot]

100% for me dont include literally all dialogue options and the ranks

[vapid narwhal]

all storyline + epilogue + all aspects + all keepsakes? that takes like 80 - 100 hours?

[runic parrot]

im satisfied with what i've finished

mmmmmaybe i'd like to get 40x6 and a sub 10 run

but i'm still pretty satisfied with what ive achieved

[rotund galleon]

Can you get Demeter's "reset rarity then upgrade " boon early

[runic parrot]

rare crop is a tier 1 boon

it doesnt have any prerequisites

so yes

[rotund galleon]

Then it's my luck

Nyeh

Also one thing that bothers me, when you start a run the seed of the run is set right

Giving up and restarting the run doesn't change it

[tender fjord]

nope

to change the seed you gotta die to traps/enemies

[hollow hawk]

seed does get varied very quickly

[tender fjord]

but yeah ^

[hollow hawk]

namely, by breaking pots/making ghosts disappear the seed gets incremented

so, unless youre planning to submit a run to like the speedrun board, or the high heat spreadsheet where you need the run to be unseeded and proof of it, you dont really need to reset, you can just give up and break some pots

the easiest way to increment your seed is probably to summon in a place where its unavailable

so like, when there are no enemies and youre just going to pick up the boon, you can summon quickly to increment the seed

[tender fjord]

oh so thats what the guy was doing when he was spamming his summon in the seeded world record

i was so confused by that lol

[dull niche]

yeah summoning increments the rng

it’s the easiest controllable way to do it quickly which is why you see it a lot

[restive cave]

the rarity of the boons seem to be set also

is the house decor just a waste of gemstones or does it eventually unlock something? one of my prophecies is about ||decorating the lounge for dusa|| or something like that, does that mean i need to do all of the renovations?

[tender fjord]

for that one you need at least 12, including the cerberus ones and one rug

[wicked bobcat]

Heck I found the server looking for an entirely different Hades but I think I'm going to stay and try it out a little later

[vapid narwhal]

you were initially looking for....?

the mythology?

[prime marsh]

Can Zag actually see the gods when they give him boons
And can they hear him when he makes an offering

[wicked bobcat]

A bit of the mythology, I play a ttrpg that draws from nearly every mythology, and my boy soon has to deal with negotiating with Hades

It'll be fine, last time this happened he got primordial Darkness to join their team

[unkempt sleet]

Yes but it's not mutual. The gods only make a connection whenever you gift them.

Except Dio because the power of pranks is stronger than Nyx

[wicked bobcat]

I want to read through the lore here but I'm half asleep, I'll look into it tomorrow

Anyways that's why I said seem interesting, I'm going to get back on my research I've a meeting in the morning with the ruler of the underworld to try and negotiate an extended warranty on a friend's soul, ttrpgs are fun

Hope to see y'all later

[vapid narwhal]

Hades does have its own very interesting iteration of the mythology

[modern arch]

May I ask what this game is??

[wicked bobcat]

It's called New Dawn. It uses a custom world and system

[modern arch]

Thank u

[wicked bobcat]

Let's just say it's scales quite well, I started as a knight defending the Border to a God of stories tasked with chronicling the past of all multiverses

It has been one hell of a ride

[modern arch]

Oh ho ho, sounds interesting

[wicked bobcat]

Yeah, the start of the story was post-apocalyptic Earth, only the ruination was at least in part magic returning

[modern arch]

And, if ur interested in good plot and good characters, I def reccomend this Hades game

Huh was there language issue??

[wicked bobcat]

Tiredness issue, one thought bleed into another

On Hades is it a ttrpg or fully-fledged game

[modern arch]

Oh ok yep! Just make sure to not swear, we don’t wanna corrupt the young too soon

[wicked bobcat]

Greatly enjoy both so no judgment

[modern arch]

Rogue like

Roguelite

[wicked bobcat]

Am I sweet cinnamon roll once I made aware that I should be

So don't worry

[modern arch]

Very replaysnle, plot advances as u die and beat it more and more

[wicked bobcat]

Roguelike how? I see I see, only problem is I might cautious or power game because I hate character death lol

I still need to read a lot about it take it a better picture

[modern arch]

U have ur in-run currency and ur out of run currency

U loose in run currency and boons, but can upgrade ur weapons and skills out of a run

[wicked bobcat]

Oh so it is a game game

[modern arch]

Also the dying this is very much explained

Yep!

[wicked bobcat]

For some reason I kept thinking it was the digital tabletop

In video games are more fine with that, I just get really attached to ttrpg characters

The ones I like tend to spend 3 to 5 years

[modern arch]

Ah yeah it’s fine!

Tbh only just now registered what ttrpg was

[wicked bobcat]

I'll take a look around and I might be waking up a bit, going to make some tea and sit up then I'd like to keep talking if you would have had the game and such

I've been looking for kind of a time-filler that I so can kind of care about

[modern arch]

Yep! But I might have to hop off of discord soon, so I’ll see if I can wrangle others to talk by the game

[modern arch]

I’d say that hades fills that need for me, personally

[wicked bobcat]

No problem I'll do so, feel free to shoot me an @ or pm if you gotta go
Will hold nothing against you if you forget though I'm legendary for just kind of passing out

Anyways happy coincidence to meet you all. Hopefully I can give it a go.

[modern arch]

Hopefully!

[prime marsh]

Im gonna spoiler this but its final boss related || I have 5 lives thanks to legendary chaos boon, And im on extreme measures 4. Ive never seen extreme measures 4 but i know it ads a phase 3. Im worried about this and im gonna be sad ive i lose. ||

[topaz haven]

So, i just unlocked the 6th and final weapon. Now how do i get Aspects?

[wise sparrow]

get to the final boss

dont gotta win just get to the fight

[topaz haven]

Ok thanks

[granite fern]

i defeated him

nothing unlocked

[wise sparrow]

did you get the blood? you can inspect one of your weapons and spend the blood

[hollow hawk]

Nope

You dont need to get to the final boss to unlock aspects

[hollow hawk]

Just do a run, then talk to skelly

He should tell you about aspects

[wise sparrow]

oops

[hexed shore]

have to unlock all weapons before aspects

[eager kindle]

Will taking a break from Hades will make me rusty?

Been feeling a lil burned out

[cerulean ferry]

Don't think so, I took a month break and got back to it recently and nothing has changed for me

[hushed pumice]

Might take a run to get back in

[vapid narwhal]

hades is one of the games that once you get a hang of it it's like riding a bike

[eager kindle]

I see. Might take a break then

......After I get one more thing from the contractor lol

[rapid forum]

I can't ride a bike

[brazen lagoon]

Neither can i

[manic moat]

I have to get my bike fixed every single time I try to ride it (which is once in two months)

[summer ibex]

I've been getting bored of hades

I played it so much lol

[brazen lagoon]

Burnout is a terrible thing

[manic moat]

I get bored of hades often

but trying out something new helps

like the first week I got hades that's all I did all the time

[summer ibex]

right it gets me so sad lol

because when I first got the game I played it non-stop

it was hands down my favorite game at the time

[half zephyr]

It’s ok to take breaks

[summer ibex]

yeah that what I've been doing

I got some other switch games for christmas so I've been doing that

[half zephyr]

Neat

[summer ibex]

and loz botw on master mode 🙈

[half zephyr]

Is easy when you get used to it

My way of taking a break from hades is to start a new save

And play as weak zag for a bit

Then I go back to main save

Also play some other games now & then cuz I got those long before I got hades & I do wanna play those too

[night current]

Aspects are primarily unlockable with Titan Blood. Once you get all the weapons, you have the option to Reveal once you pick out your weapon, as well as unlock aspects and levels of aspects with Titan Blood. Once you beat the Old Man for the first time, you will be able to take on a Pact of Punishment which allows you to get more Titan Blood to use to unlock and level up Aspects.

[runic sparrow]

In all my runs of Hades, I don't think I've ever had a 5-sack Styx

[half zephyr]

I’ve had it many times, but not always when I want it

[brazen lagoon]

I get it when I specifically don't want it

[runic sparrow]

when you take a healing trove trial when you're fully healed just to flex. xD

and do it without taking damage

hmmm... is there a limit to how much gold you can earn from a survival room?

[runic parrot]

yea

[runic sparrow]

and what might that limit be?

[runic parrot]

no idea

i think its capped for enemy spawns

like the guys who spawn after a certain time wont drop any

its what i experience at least

[runic sparrow]

makes sense

[unborn remnant]

Yeah I feel this

Got it at Christmas, on 99 attempts but it's been waivering a lot more

expected though

I don't really think its bordem as much as burnout, like I have more hours in it than botw and mario odyssey now

[summer ibex]

I got it the day it came out

the trailer looked dope as hell

[unborn remnant]

oh

legacy player i see

respect

[half zephyr]

I’m at 115+h now >.>
Longer then my botw & Pokémon plays..
And IFR too

[unborn remnant]

IFR?

[grand shale]

oh man Idk how many hours ive put into hades

probably nowhere near the amount of time i spend of tf2

ive got like 200 hours on that

[craggy barn]

been feeling a little bit of burnout on hades myself

skul is fun and maybe i'll try dead cells

[half zephyr]

Immortals Fenyx Rising

[simple tulip]

Can I play hades offline if I have it downloaded? School blocks steam

[hardy oasis]

when I get the inevitable burnout from Hades I plan on returning to Bug Fables to continue 100% completing that game

but so far I've been having the time of my life soooooo

[simple tulip]

And will my data save after each run?

[hardy oasis]

yeah

you can play it offline

you just got to put steam in Offline mode

[simple tulip]

Nice, so I lose out on nothing with or without connection

[hardy oasis]

yeah

[simple tulip]

Apart from steam achievements

[hardy oasis]

just be sure to reenable Online Mode when you're done so you can sync save data and achievements

[simple tulip]

So when I get back home

[dusky wedge]

Definitely try Dead Cells, already had my burnout from that game and I feel like Hades is close to that as well for me

[simple tulip]

But I will play on a laptop in school and I desktop computer at home- 2 separate computers, I have to get online on the laptop before getting online on my main device right?

[hardy oasis]

yeah

[simple tulip]

Otherwise my data won’t save?

[hardy oasis]

that way you can avoid desync issues

[craggy barn]

i tried dead cells once but was nowhere near bored of hades at that point

[craggy barn]

i almost beat that game but then... giant's lair...

[hardy oasis]

the big guy just wants his bugsnax

[craggy barn]

i don't care what you say there's no way in hell i'm going to that place with those goddamn spotlight eyeball demons

[runic sparrow]

@hardy oasis wonder if anyone here plays on a 4:3

and what the support for that is

[hardy oasis]

man if you thought that was spooky, wait until you find out the lore behind them

it's way more messed up than at face value, which is saying a lot because it's a big eyeball demon

||It's implied the eyeball demon, otherwise known as Dead Lander Omega, is actually a mutated Human, after either a meteor shower or nuclear war basically messed everything up. The same event also gave bugs sapience.||

[prisma wind]

#video-games would be better suited for non-Hades discussion

[hardy oasis]

oof

whoops

got sidetracked

apologies

[runic sparrow]

You know what'd be kind of nice? A mod that displays all your various stats that can be affected like Risk of Rain 2 has

would display things like base damage for your attack/special/cast, the percent increases, dodge chance, etc

just a little thing for the numbers nerds out there. 😛

[feral aspen]

will there be any continuation to hades?

[runic sparrow]

Mathieu: As of now, Hades is in a completed state

[feral aspen]

like when he gets out...

[runic sparrow]

we MIGHT get additional content in the future, but Supergiant haven't said anything on the matter yet

[feral aspen]

oh okkay

thankss

[runic sparrow]

tl;dr: "It's a possibility, but don't hold your breath for it"

[runic sparrow]

https://i.imgur.com/ey9GvGB.png

I think this is the first 4-sack run I've had in a long time

[hardy oasis]

O O F .

[runic sparrow]

I don't think I've ever had a five sack

though I HAVE gone through all five chambers after a 2-sack when I was feeling spicy

[craggy barn]

i tend to do that when i feel i don't have enough

even though i very much do

[hardy oasis]

whenever both miniboss chambers don't lead to the fountain

i feel an internal sadness

[trail plover]

I had a five sack run yesterday. I was a bit miffed cause I could have had a super fast time otherwise

[grand crystal]

hehe i had a 5 sack once, i was really sad and annoyed from it

[craggy barn]

sometimes you just need that extra pom y'know

[vestal basin]

it’ll be super cool though if there’s ever an expansion

[trail plover]

Omg I would love dlcs

Maybe with different weapons!

[vestal basin]

I’m having so much fun with this game, and close to 100%. Additional content would be so sweeet

[trail plover]

Yeah it’s such a great game.

[runic sparrow]

I doubt we'll get any major additional content, like more story

[grand crystal]

it would be weird ngl since the current weapons are the 6 infernal arms used by the 6 big olympians to fight the titans so idk what else they could do

the weapons have lore to them that would be a bit awkward if it was just like "heres an axe" or smth

[trail plover]

Hmm, that’s fair. I’m not sure what else they would do. 🤔 An axe may work?

[grand crystal]

tbh when fists came out everyone either wanted axe, scythe, magic of some kind, and a few wanted fists

[vestal basin]

yeah, any new content should much the quality of original, including how well it all fits together

[trail plover]

I don’t know how they would incorporate new god though cause all of the current ones reference each other

[grand crystal]

i joked one time that it would be fist, and we got it so i was just 0-0 yk

[trail plover]

It just seems like it would be a lot of work. Plus duo boons

[grand crystal]

yea, with the way hades is already structured and built, it leaves very little room to smoothly add something

[vestal basin]

maybe some story and characters progression. more ways to spend nectar/ambrosia

[grand crystal]

most roguelites lack a deep story that you get handed, you generally have to go looking for it which is a way to put in dlc without it conflicting if it was never there to begin with

[runic sparrow]

One could arguably add an axe and have it tie to Asterius in some way

[grand crystal]

hades actually gives it to you and has a structure and lots of continuity that if it was broken we would def feel it

like im not saying im against hades updates, they just have almost no where to go

[unborn remnant]

There are many advocates here for new gods

Apollo is probably one of the most talked about

[grand crystal]

dont they have in universe reasons for not helping tho??

[vestal basin]

demeter kinda appeared later in the story

[grand crystal]

and with how the epilogue plays out, it would require a nice bit of work to smoothly add them in, especially for post epilogue people

[runic sparrow]

Helios might be a good addition

[grand crystal]

you also have to think from a gameplay perspective what they could do

[runic sparrow]

Fire

[grand crystal]

what could a sun god do, burn?? we have hangover that already has a similar effect

[signal aspen]

apollo

artemis brother

i think he is the god of fire/ light

he could be cool

[grand crystal]

i mean apollo is god of like music, a bit of archery, healing, light

and a few other things

kinda hard to translate any of those into the current gamplay loop

[runic sparrow]

with regards to healing, there'd be too much overlap with some of Aphrodite's current boons

[grand crystal]

^^and on of dems

it could also be wayy to powerful

considering that the healing weapons/hammers literally give you -60% hp

[desert meadow]

Honestly, if we get dlc/an update, I just expect new room types

[grand crystal]

yea tbh thats all we can expect

[desert meadow]

Nothing else seems easy to add without messing with the carefully made structure.

[signal aspen]

what about new weapons?

[grand crystal]

again

infernal arms

used by 6 olymians against the titans

[signal aspen]

f

[grand crystal]

if you add anything else it breaks that continuity and cool part of it

[desert meadow]

^

New rooms and cosmetics are the only things that could be added without tampering the rest of the game's experience

[signal aspen]

im just getting bored of the weapons

[desert meadow]

Even with the aspects?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[grand crystal]

i mean any game gets boring after a while

hence why i had to take like a year ish long break from hades

i just got burntout

[trail plover]

I took a short break too but only cause I wanted to play a new game I bought

[signal aspen]

ive done over 230 runs on my main save and i have done 50 runs of my hell mode save

[trail plover]

But I started playing again and I still love it

I’m not using heat levels though cause I still feel like I need to get back into it a bit

[trail plover]

What is Hell Mode like?

[signal aspen]

literally same thing

[grand crystal]

its 5 forced heat

[signal aspen]

yeah

so basically you are playing 5 heat hades with no mirror

[grand crystal]

hl1, js1, cp1, lc1, personal liability(hell exclusive)

[untold geyser]

which hidden weapon aspects are good at low level?

[grand crystal]

all of them

all of the hidden aspects are really powerful

[signal aspen]

they are all good

but not the hidden spear aspect

[grand crystal]

and tbh until you start getting to high heat you shouldnt worry about "good weapons"

[wet orchid]

I think luci is the best tho since its max on the first unlock

[untold geyser]

don't good weapons beat the game more easily?

[grand crystal]

wdym max on the first unlock

[untold geyser]

I'm not very good yet

haven't beaten Hades with a bow yet

[signal aspen]

luci is good because you dont need to upgrade it

[untold geyser]

is Hera Bow lv. 1 good enough?

[signal aspen]

sure

[grand crystal]

i mean rama is arguably the best hidden aspect

[untold geyser]

Luci?

[vestal basin]

nah, it’s more about the build imo

[signal aspen]

just not gonna be fun

[untold geyser]

Rama?

[grand crystal]

yea hera requires like no dedication

[untold geyser]

https://xd.adobe.com/view/b90bd0e4-4ae8-400b-709d-3305de01e6b3-cf3a/screen/32444357-bf78-49e8-a1ca-20f1ab2949c2/?fullscreen

[grand crystal]

chiron is great but it needs more blood

[signal aspen]

rama is probably gonna be harder if you are not that good

[wet orchid]

since they said low level Im assuming they really have maxed out weapon upgrades yet

[untold geyser]

can you say what weapon type they are?

[grand crystal]

rama is bow

[untold geyser]

I'm getting lost

okay

[wet orchid]

so luci is probably best hidden aspect at the start since it starts out maxed

[grand crystal]

luci is rail

[vestal basin]

I don’t really like any of the hidden aspects. rama is only one I play sometimes

[grand crystal]

gilgamesh is fist, beo is shield

[untold geyser]

better than the one that powers itself up?

[grand crystal]

arthur is sword

[untold geyser]

Eris or smth

[grand crystal]

i personally find eris better than luci

[untold geyser]

hmm interesting

[wet orchid]

well no eris is better than luci

[untold geyser]

is the spear good when powered up fully?

[vestal basin]

hestia is cool too

[signal aspen]

it is

[untold geyser]

hp absorption sounds pretty mint

I like Cursed Slash

[wet orchid]

but Im talking based on the circumstance

[grand crystal]

its interesting

im not a fan of it

[untold geyser]

don't you severely weaken the effect on hp restoration / max life with a high enough level?

[vestal basin]

when I play eris I don’t really care about hp

[signal aspen]

gonna be pretty hard

since you say that you are not that good at the game

[vestal basin]

eris is super fast

[unborn remnant]

Eris go brrr

[grand crystal]

essentially it starts at -70% hp and now hearts only give you 8

[desert meadow]

For sure, it's also good with either Infernal Soul (mirror talent that gives you +2 casts) and Stygian Soul (mirror talent that recharges your cast).

[vestal basin]

all speedruners play eris

[grand crystal]

some play rama

[untold geyser]

last time I used Hera Bow, it sucked

[signal aspen]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades

[untold geyser]

maybe bad luck with boons?

[grand crystal]

were you using casts and a good cast??

[vestal basin]

yeah, depending on category too

[untold geyser]

as usual yeah

which casts are considered good?

[wet orchid]

its good but you kind of need the Hermes boon quick reload for Hera lv 1 bow

[untold geyser]

I like Dionysus'

[grand crystal]

arte, aphro, dio, zeus if youre really feeling it, pos is alright ig, athena is also alright

essentially just dont take dem or ares and you should be fne

and even then you can get hunting blades on ares and have it work

[wet orchid]

zeus works best with achilles

[untold geyser]

I like Dem's

[grand crystal]

yea dem doesnt work with hera :/

[untold geyser]

does it just not work with Hera Bow, or is it bad in general?

low base power?

[signal aspen]

dem is only good if you make a build around dem cast

[vestal basin]

dio doesn’t stick, so you can’t get mirror bonus from it

[grand crystal]

but it does have the highest base damage and take stygian soul

[wet orchid]

aphro has the highest base power that stick

[grand crystal]

and because it doesnt lodge you get bad news to always work it you get it

[untold geyser]

so basically

[wet orchid]

and its good with hera bow since the downside of aphro cast is its distance

but with hera bow you don't have to worry about that

[untold geyser]

there's no single weapon that I use TB on that would instantly make me super powerful?

weapon aspect I mean

[desert meadow]

Avoid Demeter and Ares with Hera, they're weird, but the rest can be good.
Dio is high burst damage but you have to wait to get your cast back, Artemis and Zeus are good but tend to bounce between enemies, Aphrodite and Poseidon are great and Athena is good too.
I'd recommend going Aphrodite cast, Artemis attack, and then trying for Heart Rend to get an idea of how to build for Hera.

[untold geyser]

Heart Rend? What's it do?

[grand crystal]

i think dio is perfect;y fine just take stygian soul

[wet orchid]

increases crit damage

[signal aspen]

extra crit damage to weak enemies

[grand crystal]

if they are weak, crits deal an extra 1.5

[untold geyser]

what's the best way of using Hera Bow?

charge it with all three casts, then fire?

[vestal basin]

parting shot is also good I’ve heard

[grand crystal]

generally yea

[untold geyser]

maximise cast damage with Poms?

[signal aspen]

artemis or aphro cast, and maybe dio and athena cast

[untold geyser]

is the damage supposed to be huge?

[grand crystal]

yeaaa

[signal aspen]

yes

[desert meadow]

Pom casts yeah, they get more from poms then your attack will

[untold geyser]

I wonder if my old Hera Bow run was cast-less

[vestal basin]

does backstab bonus always count for casts?

[signal aspen]

only with parting shot

[grand crystal]

you need parting shot for that

athena/aphro duo

[wet orchid]

also I just had a relevation after just giving up using gilgamesh. gilgamesh isn't the problem, Im just really not used to forced overtime

[desert meadow]

And if you run either Infernal or Stygian, go for extra cast boons like Chaos', Artemis legendary, and well items.

The more casts the better

[grand crystal]

and tbh stygian is better if you get more casts

[desert meadow]

^

[signal aspen]

also if you are gonna use dem cast or ares cast you should run with achilles spear

beacuse achilles spear makes your next 4 casts deal extra damage

125% more damage at max

[grand crystal]

150%, it caps at 150

i think

[signal aspen]

well one of those

[grand crystal]

the next 4 specials, attack, or casts you do deal +150%

so its also a cast weapon :3

cast weapons are some of the strongest in the game

it just shoots up your damage

[desert meadow]

I assume Achilles is better then Talos for casts?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[wet orchid]

Talos is the weakest "cast" weapon

better not to treat it like one

[desert meadow]

How should I approach it then?

[signal aspen]

or you can use poseidon aspect if your cast sticks

[wet orchid]

focus on the attack more imo or do an aphro talos cast

it is pretty risky though but most of the time you're close up to an enemy anyway

[vestal basin]

achilles is super fun with ares cast

with artemis duo

demeter duo is meh, it makes things harder it seems

[desert meadow]

So Talos is better used more like Demeter, a mix of the attack and special together to use your strengths?

[wet orchid]

personally yea

poseidon sword is like... essentially the better version of talos cast build

[runic sparrow]

kek

I gave Athena the sixth nectar, then immediately unlocked the last part of the gauge

alllright then

guess I met all the pre-reqs

[desert meadow]

Yeah, I like Poseidon. I just haven't used Talos in a while and when I did, it was mainly special spam/buffing

[vestal basin]

they all unlocked naturally for me, except for hermes

that one I had to google hehe

[desert meadow]

Nice

[quaint pagoda]

I was finally close to defeating Hades for the first time, got him to almost half his health in second phase, and now I maxed my death defiance.

[limpid crown]

Death defiance just makes the game ez af

[craggy barn]

not on high heat :))

[signal aspen]

yeah

its possible to get 5 DDs

and 60 DDs if you die in every room with stubborn defiance

[vapid narwhal]

DDs are not very useful, basically unviable in high heat

[lost wolf]

What can I use titan blood for after unlocking all aspects, other than converting it to ambrosia

[vapid narwhal]

max ranked all aspects?

[lost wolf]

Ye

[vapid narwhal]

yeah they dont have any other use

[half zephyr]

There’s the theme right?

[lost wolf]

Aww that kinda sucks

[half zephyr]

And the resource manager sometimes?

[lost wolf]

I think I already unlocked the 10 blood theme

[vapid narwhal]

well you probably exhausted the content the game has to offer at this point

it's not a GAAS so it has a definitive end point where you dont have much to progress

[lost wolf]

True now I guess I’ll have to grind some themes and use resource manager

[limpid crown]

The TRUE endgame

[hollow kettle]

getting Calculated Risk right before the Witches' Circle is a godsend

In a literal sense lmao

[deep parrot]

remind me what Calculated Risk does

[trail plover]

Can’t wait to go home so I can play. ;a;

[grand crystal]

projectiles are slower i think

athena/dio duo if im not mistaken

[deep parrot]

oh damn yeah that's amazing

[trail plover]

Sometimes I don’t like the slower projectiles cause I just run into them. 😂

[cerulean jay]

Question: Currently trying to get the Epilogue to fire off, I've fulfilled the conditions ||all invites||, and completed multiple runs since, but ||Persephone & Hades|| won't talk about it. ||I was prompted to invite Chaos, which I did as well|| Is this just another "keep doing runs and eventually you'll get it" kind of thing?

[unborn remnant]

arthur special is good for slow projectiles

new build idea actually

Artemis attack, Dio Special, Athena Dash, Ares passives

also yes

[half zephyr]

As always the answer to everything Hades is RNG

Pray to Tyche

May she smile down upon you

[ashen frigate]

@unborn remnant artemis attack is great if you really want to watch the Switch suffer framerate problems

[half zephyr]

I still haven’t really experienced those frame rate issues

[unborn remnant]

Ive mainly seen the framerate issues in the witches circle

[terse relic]

Question: does Aphrodite’s Aid stop Dad’s firebeams? Or did I just hit his invulnerable phase?

[half zephyr]

Seems it can stop the laser show

[terse relic]

Well, that’s neat.

[grand crystal]

yea it stops it, it also keeps him in the animation for a second so thats funny :3

[terse relic]

I got in his face because I had Crush Shot + Heart Rend + Pressure Points, so I figure I had a chance to do monstrous damage. It didn’t, but it was fun to try.

[grand crystal]

hehe hug dad = best strat

[unborn remnant]

wait hang on

thats sick tech

you can cancel the fire with aphro call?

[grand crystal]

yea

you can also just be a gamer and hug dad

[half zephyr]

Do both

Stun him with love & give him a hug

[runic sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405058896512811018/816401102035353630/unknown.png

imagine that's his omni-directional laser

dead center of that is safe

you gotta be all up in that beard though

[desert meadow]

And with her legendary too, if it happens to charm at the right time.

[grand crystal]

its not that hard to do tho :/

like just go to him and give him a hug

and you wont get hit

[runic sparrow]

it's annoying if your attacks push you back

[unborn remnant]

Thats so sick

[runic sparrow]

then you get booped out into the lasers

[grand crystal]

yea so thats why you only use attack and special

[unborn remnant]

probably pretty good speedrun tech

[grand crystal]

dont cast

[grand crystal]

yeaaa it is, gives you more time for damage

unless its em4

cuz then you cant hug him ;w;

[unborn remnant]

painm4

[grand crystal]

he doenst let you

[runic sparrow]

https://youtu.be/VKepf4jyn4o?t=1490

[grand crystal]

^^yea they hug dad

[runic sparrow]

even the devs acknowledge it, and left it in

[desert meadow]

I'd love to do this someday, just maybe without the speedrun part.

[grand crystal]

yea ive tried to freshfile

and ive gotten to champions

i hate asterius -_-

his hitboxes are wack

[craggy barn]

the devs didn't just acknowledge it

they actually added something in em4 that prevents you from doing that

[runic sparrow]

on an unrelated note, since The8BitDrummer had trouble figuring out "Out of Tartarus" time signature, I've decided to take a crack at it

... what the heck is this time signature

the majority of it seems to be in 11/4, but then three bars later it's in 21/8. then after four more bars of 11/4, there's just a random 5/4

[ashen frigate]

the artemis boon that sends tracking arrows with every hit or special definitely leads to frame rate stuff especially in elusium with the butterflies

[ashen frigate]

that is some progrock nastiness. i bet you could ask Darren on social

[half zephyr]

Support fire

[runic sparrow]

support fire is fun with Exagryph

[half zephyr]

It’s hilarious with Zeus shield

[oak wind]

i've counted most of it as 21/8, and then it goes to 4/4 and alternates between the two i think?

but it's been a while

[runic sparrow]

I counted three of 11/4, then one of 21/8

[oak wind]

hmmmm

well now i'm even more curious

i swear i had it down with 21/8 when i tried to play it..

(as in, multiple bars of it in a row)

[runic sparrow]

only Darren himself knows the truth

xD

[oak wind]

haha yeah

it's like... 1 2 3 & 4 & rest & 6 & 7 & 8 & rest & rest & rest

so like, 11.5?

wait... or ten.5?

wait i just wrote "ten.5"

...

apparently i can't remember math

[runic sparrow]

that's as many as five tens

and that's terrible

[oak wind]

it feels like, ten beats and then an 8th note and then measure over? at least for the main hook thing

[grand crystal]

lol just @ darren :3

[runic sparrow]

...........

https://twitter.com/rudeism/status/1362376886827896832 Okay but why though

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[grand crystal]

lmao

kinda epic

[runic sparrow]

that's +1 to ten random boons

[oak wind]

ahaha

[runic sparrow]

based on the number of pom segments I see

xD

[grand crystal]

it seems like a fire hazard tbh

or just dangerous to the person

like

youre putting electricity through a fruit

and touching it for the sake of game

seems like it could end badly