h1-discussion

[half zephyr]

no, not the 2nd in the sequence, but 2nd chamber you go into

and on

[unborn remnant]

What build shadow?

[proven brook]

Ohhhhhh

[half zephyr]

zeus shield w zeus special, poseidon attack, drunk dash, artie call & ares cast

[charred anchor]

zeus shield best shield

[half zephyr]

with the upgrade that makes so your next 2 attacks after you hit with special get +80% dmg

and epic support fire

meaning everytime shield hits there's arrows flying

[charred anchor]

support fire is so good

especially with fists

[grand crystal]

or any fast weapon tbh

[unborn remnant]

Thats a great build actually

[half zephyr]

ty

I was aiming for sea storm all along

[unborn remnant]

sea storm is a goated duo

[half zephyr]

esp when you have poseidon attack

[proven brook]

The Gilgamesh upgrade is my favorite.

Love those fits so much.

[half zephyr]

with the t2 that makes it so it's great if I knock them into barriers

[unborn remnant]

You know what, im gonna do a Zeus run later

the lingering hitbox is cool

sets up nicely

[half zephyr]

oh

and I have dashing wallop

[unborn remnant]

nice

[half zephyr]

+50% to dash-attack

[charred anchor]

the real mvp in hades are the stumps in the final boss area

have saved my life so many times

[half zephyr]

oh and I have priviliged ofc

which is hitting all the time cuz drunk dash + jolted

[indigo ginkgo]

stubborn roots is probably the most OP boon in the game

[half zephyr]

eh

[indigo ginkgo]

I'm playing so sloppy with a bad bow build and I just can't die

[half zephyr]

it's ok I guess

[charred anchor]

whats yalls fave keepsake

[half zephyr]

acorn?

plume

[charred anchor]

i think bone hourglass is underrated tbh

[indigo ginkgo]

spear

[half zephyr]

you like the imperviousness then

[indigo ginkgo]

it's very good at stopping cheap kills on you

[unborn remnant]

Acorn

or Hourglass

[half zephyr]

I like being able to tank 5 hits from dad

[crude pasture]

Lucky Tooth lool

[indigo ginkgo]

like getting stunned by dad's urn and then melted down by laser

#notfun

[unborn remnant]

I think Tooth is only good earlygame

[half zephyr]

I break the urns & dash away

[indigo ginkgo]

not all weapons are born equal

and it sure sucks when he breaks them

[half zephyr]

you can do it with bow too

just dash in special dash out

[indigo ginkgo]

it's nowhere near as easy as sword for example

also spear stops poison from being a threat which I appreciate

and those fast tick lasers

[charred anchor]

collar > tooth at least if you have death defiance

[hybrid snow]

Am I the only one who loves pom blossom

[half zephyr]

it's ok, but doesn't do enough for me

[indigo ginkgo]

pom blossom seems very powerful

[half zephyr]

you mean stubborn defiance?

[hybrid snow]

I had a level 20 Tidal Dash thanks to it once I think

[charred anchor]

idk man ive only used dd

[hybrid snow]

Wait I think it was 19

Number go big yeehaw

[charred anchor]

and from my experience collar works better than tooth w dd

[half zephyr]

if you have 3 dd then if you still have them yo might not need the 4th dd

acorn might be better

if you're ok at dodging & dashing then you can go like all of first phase w/o taking dmg

[indigo ginkgo]

I always get 200+ health by the end

so I don't think about using collar

[half zephyr]

and extra hp is ok, but I'm fine with my +5 every time I get darkness rewards

plus some forced hearts

today I had 185hp

[unborn remnant]

I had 230 in a run a while back

[indigo ginkgo]

I have 270 right now

just avoiding shops to buy resources in the end

[charred anchor]

im in elysium rn and i have 230

[dusky wedge]

What’s a good hp to get anyway? Like, how much should my hp be when I get to Styx?

[hybrid snow]

I go for 250 usually

Just to be safe

[copper canopy]

Pom Blossom is the best in Styx

[hybrid snow]

No it's best when you have it on the whole time

[indigo ginkgo]

I like having at least 200

so after death defiance you get over 100

[copper canopy]

Usually I’m using keepsakes to get the boons I want leveled with Pom Blossom

[dusky wedge]

True, Pom blossom is best when you really maximize it

Or really, in Tartarus as you have less boons at the start

[brisk trail]

I am feeling kind of surprised, because I usually end up having more than 300 health points.

[dusky wedge]

Either drop it in asphodel, or carry it all the way

[copper canopy]

So, I’m going to need everyone’s help with something here.

[indigo ginkgo]

I mean realistically I get over 250

but if I'm in elysium and still at 125 I'll go for some on purpose

[copper canopy]

I want to make sure I’ve done absolutely everything I possibly can, but I need your help in double checking if there’s anything I missed.

And by missed, I mean things like dialogue quest lines that aren’t actually quests

Like Skelly’s Employer and Theseus’ reaction to the yarn.

So, what are some “quest lines” besides those that aren’t actually listed by the game?

[hybrid snow]

Turning the timer on and off

[half zephyr]

I rarely go to heart rooms anymore

[copper canopy]

Right, I keep forgetting to do that, that’s one, thanks

[dusky wedge]

Even when I tried to Google it, I haven’t found a complete list of dialogues

[half zephyr]

I found out I liked having dps more then health

and money

money is nice

[half zephyr]

have you seen zag on the board yet?

[copper canopy]

No I’m still trying to figure out how(don’t tell me)

[half zephyr]

that opened up dialogue for me

[copper canopy]

Also that’s kind of a spoiler

[indigo ginkgo]

on the board?

[copper canopy]

But it was already spoiled for me before

[indigo ginkgo]

oh

that board

[half zephyr]

you were asking for things that would give you dialogue

[dusky wedge]

Spoiler city! 😝

[half zephyr]

and I don't know myself how I got there

[hybrid snow]

There's dialogue for certain characters if you die a bunch of times ||(50 with Meg and 100 overall with Hypnos)||

[copper canopy]

No no it’s fine, you didn’t tell me how so you’re good

[hybrid snow]

OH ALSO

[copper canopy]

I got the latter, but I’m too good to get the former.

[hybrid snow]

when you complete the entry for the onion, Achilles has a line

[copper canopy]

Yep got that

[hybrid snow]

also I'm not sure if it was die to Meg or win against her

[half zephyr]

I don't wanna complete the entry for the onion

[copper canopy]

If you try Erebus enough, you’ll get it eventually.

Surely you slip up sometimes

[half zephyr]

twice

when I went in with wrong weapon & my first time ever entering

[copper canopy]

I completed it without trying to get it, I just tried a lot

[hybrid snow]

Hermes reacts to FO

(I'm just scrolling through my own pictures lol)

[copper canopy]

Yep got that

This is really helpful by the way, thanks

[copper canopy]

Wait I think I got this, it was beat her 50 times

[hybrid snow]

Ah I think if you use a companion immediately after encountering their former owner there's a reaction

[copper canopy]

Yep, got that

[hybrid snow]

SJSJSJA man I keep meaning to get these myself and I forget

Cause I run Than/Mort all the time and you know how running into him is

[copper canopy]

Yeah same

[hybrid snow]

Theseus reacts if you hang his portrait in the house

[half zephyr]

I don't know if this one is scripted or not, but orpheus did something I requested once

[unborn remnant]

How does one accomplish this

[hybrid snow]

If you dash into where the Wretched Broker hangs out Zagreus reacts

[copper canopy]

By the way, I found there’s some unique banter for summoning Skelly when facing Thanatos

[half zephyr]

when I visited eurydice

[copper canopy]

Wait you can do that? Nice

[half zephyr]

idk >.<

it just happened

[unborn remnant]

I wanna see that

maybe after 100 runs?

[half zephyr]

I glanced at the board & there I was

[copper canopy]

If you know don’t say

[hybrid snow]

Not from the front but yeah

[half zephyr]

but I've already said I don't know

[copper canopy]

Did you at least ||get the true ending||?

[hybrid snow]

Iirc

[half zephyr]

||epi|| ye

[unborn remnant]

You mean the epilogue?

[hybrid snow]

Oh Theseus also reacts if you turn EM3 on and off but that's not too special

[copper canopy]

Yeah got that

[half zephyr]

I wanna get orpheus to sing my song request ||when he's w eurydice again|| 🥺

[copper canopy]

Right, this reminds me. I was watching a playthrough once and when they got to Eurydice and Orpheus, ||they were singing “In The Blood” instead of the usual song||

[half zephyr]

exactly!

[hybrid snow]

Yeah

[half zephyr]

that I wanna get that again

I requested it & then he dids it!

[copper canopy]

You can request a song?

[half zephyr]

at the house

[hybrid snow]

The music stand I assume

[half zephyr]

it was some dialogue or option or music stand

[copper canopy]

Ah okay I never used that thing(I bought all the songs though)

[half zephyr]

I don't remember

I wish I could remember

[copper canopy]

By the way, regarding Zagreus on the board, what is your Resource Director Title level?

I was theorizing that’s what influenced it

[hybrid snow]

That shouldn't affect the board....

[half zephyr]

I will check once the death screen is gone

I stumbled over a cliff

[hybrid snow]

I think I got the board way before I bothered with the titles

[copper canopy]

So you’ve seen it too?

[hybrid snow]

I think it's just about the number of runs but you have to either beat the game once or see the credits

[hazy sedge]

skelly has some dialogue if you throw him off the balcony

[copper canopy]

Well I’m at like 300

[copper canopy]

You can do that?

[hybrid snow]

??? Throw him off??

[copper canopy]

I assume push him

[hazy sedge]

@copper canopy yeah ive seen it from reddit

[half zephyr]

I think I'm at sigma?

[hybrid snow]

HOW

[copper canopy]

Sigma what?

[copper canopy]

Use knockback heavy weapons probably

[hybrid snow]

I'm at Alpha and I still got the board

[copper canopy]

Alpha what?

[half zephyr]

the title

[hybrid snow]

The title

[copper canopy]

Yeah but

[half zephyr]

that's what they are called

[copper canopy]

It goes

Alpha to Unseen Warden

And then when you level up past warden

You go to Alpha Fixer

So that part loops

[half zephyr]

the fact that I didn't know that ought to tell you I'm not beyond warden...

[copper canopy]

There’s 10 Titles with 5 Ranks to each title

[copper canopy]

Right needed to double check anyways

[unborn remnant]

Ive gotten 0 ranks

[half zephyr]

I just felt like getting for fun

[copper canopy]

Well they’re literally the least important thing in the game

[copper canopy]

This tbh

[half zephyr]

ye, they state it outright

it gives you nothing

[hybrid snow]

Yeab

I just want to get rid of darkness

[half zephyr]

just a title at the bottom of the screen

[copper canopy]

It’s like giving hearts to the goddess in Kid Icarus Uprising

[hybrid snow]

The only reason I'm not ranking up higher is because I want to unlock the music and it wants diamonds

[unborn remnant]

I want to finish the Mirror first

and the prophecies

[half zephyr]

I didn't

[copper canopy]

Good plan, you should

[half zephyr]

my only prophecies left are so annoying

[hybrid snow]

OMG you're right ah

[unborn remnant]

hades community good

:)

[half zephyr]

get the final bow upgrade & then get to the surface with HA

[copper canopy]

Oh good, someone else here played it~

[copper canopy]

HA?

[hybrid snow]

I want to see the two Hades..es? Hadi? Fight so bad

[half zephyr]

Hidden Aspects

[rotund pumice]

bah

[half zephyr]

[rotund pumice]

apparently

[half zephyr]

guess who got thirsty again

[unborn remnant]

Bow?

[half zephyr]

yup

[rotund pumice]

to get the secret weapon things

[unborn remnant]

LETS GOO

[hybrid snow]

Hammers are random so you have to keep trying and turn off approval process
HAs.. well..

[copper canopy]

Right, what aspects does Hades have dialogue for? All the hidden aspects do, as well as Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon’s

[unborn remnant]

Hera time?

[half zephyr]

now you're no longer requesting it

[unborn remnant]

yeah haha

[rotund pumice]

i had to invest in non zagreus weapons

so now im sad

[unborn remnant]

I cant believe that

[rotund pumice]

cause i have no blood

[half zephyr]

sad

[rotund pumice]

kill me now

[copper canopy]

Zagreus aspects were the first I upgraded fully

[half zephyr]

have you done the mirror prophecy?

[rotund pumice]

exacly

[copper canopy]

Then the hidden ones

[rotund pumice]

ye

[half zephyr]

I'll do Hera later

[rotund pumice]

which one ?

[half zephyr]

well, using all mirror upgrades once

you get 8 blood

[copper canopy]

What’s the deal with Hera? I was going to use it soon anyways because I’m sure Zeus has dialogue for it

[rotund pumice]

oh

i dont think so

[half zephyr]

load cast onto attack

[copper canopy]

Ah so you were just talking about what it did

Thought it was more secret secrets

[half zephyr]

?

wdym

when did I talks about it

[copper canopy]

Like dialogue like we’ve been talking about

[half zephyr]

aaah

ye, no dialogue I know of

[copper canopy]

Probably Zeus

[half zephyr]

there was diaogue when I used zeus shield first time

against dad

but idk about Hera

I don't use bow very often, thus me not even having seen all upgrades yet

[unborn remnant]

thank you :)

appreciate it

[copper canopy]

Like I said, try Chiron, I barely dash striked during my last run with it

But you NEEEEED to upgrade Chiron first

[half zephyr]

I only just moved on from Chiron

[hybrid snow]

Hidden bow

[half zephyr]

lyte won't thank me for going back lol

[copper canopy]

Obviously but that’s for people who like bows

[half zephyr]

he's the one that wants me to like Hera

[unborn remnant]

hm?

I just thought you'd like it

If you dont thats ok

I get it

[hybrid snow]

Wdym I hated the bow until I got the hidden aspect

[half zephyr]

[unborn remnant]

We good?

[half zephyr]

I do enjoy the challenge even if I hate the stress

[copper canopy]

I hated bow until I learned about dash striking at all times

[half zephyr]

28

I stand to lose that

so still gonna do 0 heat Hera runs

[copper canopy]

Cruise! Stop! Cruise! Stop!

[hybrid snow]

Meanwhile hidden is just SPECIAL SPECIAL SPECIAL- attack...

[copper canopy]

Yeah pretty much

[half zephyr]

I think I'll use Fidi this time

I haven't used her enough & I'm moving into that territory dialogue wise now

[copper canopy]

But dash striking is good for its slow charge

[half zephyr]

so I ought to use her while I can

[halcyon oriole]

I like dropping Bouldy on people

[copper canopy]

Fidi probably shines in Erebus

[half zephyr]

same

[copper canopy]

||Hades||: Was that a blasted boulder from the sky?

[half zephyr]

but I use Shady all the time

I haven't even gotten the entry for the ant

[copper canopy]

Fidi has good dialogue with the final boss too

||Hades: You’re summoning the custodian for help?||

[hybrid snow]

UGH I should stop relying on Mort so much

[copper canopy]

So I used Hestia the other day after fully upgrading it, and

[half zephyr]

I should use Mort more often but

[copper canopy]

It’s kind of awesome

[half zephyr]

free food 🥺

[hybrid snow]

It SHREDS

[unborn remnant]

Have you killed Hades with Bouldy yet

[half zephyr]

I love killing Hades & there's just food surrounding him

[half zephyr]

ofc

[copper canopy]

Right?!

[hybrid snow]

Until you turn on damage control then Hestia is pathetic

[copper canopy]

Just remember to shoot twice first

[half zephyr]

and I've even timed it so I killed him w my call & then as he falls to his knees Bouldy falls on him to drop food, darkness & money

[hybrid snow]

Been there made that mistake

[copper canopy]

Which is a lot easier said than done

[hybrid snow]

that's not wrong but I keep forgetting

[copper canopy]

Yeah figured, it’s easy to forget

[hybrid snow]

And then I get swarmed

[hybrid snow]

Sounds like an experience

[half zephyr]

indeed

well, I gonna go have a break before bow again

[copper canopy]

I still find it amusing the goddess of the hearth and family used a cursed weapon of untold destruction

[unborn remnant]

Is this not the most BM way to kill Hades?

[hybrid snow]

Man y'all making me hungry for this game again

[unborn remnant]

also yeah take it easy, is only game

[copper canopy]

y u heff to be med

(Glad you got that~)

[hybrid snow]

Messages you can hear in your head immediately

There should be an edited screenshot of Hades saying this tbh

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[copper canopy]

Where am I pushing Skelly off? I tried the window, the entrance, and the ledge where you can see Tartarus

He does comment on shoving him all the way to the Tartarus ledge if that’s what you meant, but I can’t actually shove him off

[hollow kettle]

Oh my God I got a fountain room and had to drink it even though I was full health and Zagreus made some kind of comment like "Who makes door locks connected to a fountain?" XD

[unborn remnant]

TRUE

[hybrid snow]

Hypnos watching Zagreus enter the House again: 'look, it's the guy who always Styx the landing!'

[crude pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[hybrid snow]

Perfect thanks

[half zephyr]

@unborn remnant it's Hera time

[unborn remnant]

It's Hera Time? I think it's Hera Time. @half zephyr

[dusky scaffold]

Almost off

Gonna play some hades when I get home

[unborn remnant]

nice

[fast dawn]

how do i unlock fourth aspect? do i have to face hades using the spear?

[unborn remnant]

invest 5 blood in aspects of the spear

then talk to achilles

[fast dawn]

oof i spent all mine on the gun T-T

im trying to unlock 4th aspect for gun but all i can find is that aspect of guan yu is required for it..

[unborn remnant]

It is

[fast dawn]

so how do i earn more titan blood?

[halcyon oriole]

fill the heat bar with pact of punishment

or trade for it at the broker

or buy it at the end of a run in styx, if you're lucky (it costs a ton and sometimes it's a diamond instead)

[stiff trellis]

I always thought the most bm way to beat hades was to beat him boonless with his own spear

[halcyon oriole]

beat hades with his own spear, and only damage him while doing his own call

[stiff trellis]

The way to unlock the spear is to spend blood in five different aspects I'm pretty sure

[half zephyr]

@unborn remnant this not good time

[unborn remnant]

i saw

[half zephyr]

why didn't she give me cast

[unborn remnant]

Did you reroll?

[half zephyr]

she didn't even show up I think in elysium

and I had her keepsake on!

[half zephyr]

none left

[unborn remnant]

Thats insane

[half zephyr]

I KNOW

[unborn remnant]

sorry to hear

[half zephyr]

the one build

[unborn remnant]

super bad rng

[half zephyr]

where I'm actively looking for her & her cast

[unborn remnant]

:(

cant believe that

[half zephyr]

I just have that bad luck with the bow

[unborn remnant]

I guess so

Rama is cool too

[half zephyr]

we'll see if things can improve in styx

maybe I can get dd back w athena

or heck, maybe just a cast

[unborn remnant]

winnable still

[half zephyr]

\0/ slicing shot

it's a cast

I'll take it

I got snow burst

and now I get an epic deathless stand from athena

so

getting somewhere

sadly no priviliged status this time, but it's starting to look like I can survive

[unborn remnant]

nice one

[half zephyr]

epic quick recovery \0/

time to fight dad

1 dd & acorn w 209hp >.>

and no call

what is it with me & Hera & the call

@unborn remnant 66HP!!

66 HP

\0/ I feel like a god

[grand crystal]

i mean

[half zephyr]

with very sore hands

[grand crystal]

zag is a god

but yea congrats!

[half zephyr]

and I got the final bow upgrade

which was for special of all things - not goo for Hera

[grand crystal]

alright for hera tbh

[half zephyr]

but might've saved me this time since I got doom on my special & the thing that killed daddy dearest was doom

[half zephyr]

I didn't get a cast until styx

[grand crystal]

LMAO

[half zephyr]

and it was ares of all things

[grand crystal]

just

wheeze

[half zephyr]

they didn't offer me one!

and I specifically carried around aphys keepsake to get hers

[grand crystal]

i mean ares is ight tbh

[half zephyr]

and then she doesn't even show up in elysium

my rng this round was so bad

[grand crystal]

the keepsake only works 1 time tho right??

so after you get them once with it its useless

[half zephyr]

idk, but this was awful

[grand crystal]

at least you did it!

[half zephyr]

only good thing was getting that last upgrade

and I beat charon again

which let me tell you

no cast hera

not easy

[grand crystal]

i mean charon isnt hard

its just a long fight

[half zephyr]

I think I only survived because I got athena dash before hand

[half zephyr]

normally he's not that hard, but this time

I only had attack, special & dash!

with some minor things on the side

[grand crystal]

damn

i kinda feel that tho

ive done runs where i just dont get what i want

[half zephyr]

and then bow is my least fave weapon

the one I'm most uncomfortable with

[grand crystal]

bad opinion

jk jk

i can see why

[half zephyr]

I even got point blank shot

[grand crystal]

ewww

[half zephyr]

which would help me since I end up in peoples faces anyway

[grand crystal]

point blank is gross

[half zephyr]

it went well with my charged shot

[grand crystal]

its weird playing up close bow

[half zephyr]

I had little choice

....

I think I just had dialogue where Nyx may or may not have said she's into Ares

Ares told me to tell her he was interested in her..

[unborn remnant]

big dub

[lone kernel]

not that big a deal to not get a cast sometimes, nparticuarly on fists or sword i find but hey, good for you for winning in a new way!

[half zephyr]

It is on Hera

Hera is "Loads cast onto attack"

so your attack is boosted by your cast

[half zephyr]

epic swift strike
first arthur attempt

neat

[grand shale]

me when demeter doesnt show up

[terse relic]

If I have Chiron bow + Zeus special not aimed at anyone in particular, will the lightning hit multiple enemies? Or does the cooldown carry over from one enemy to another?

[grand shale]

hmmm

idk i only use the hera bow

i just got rama but i havent used it yet

[half zephyr]

I think it might carry over?
but idk it lasts such a short time I can't remember

it's been so long now since chiron run

[terse relic]

I’ve used Rama once or twice, most recently with Ares special. It was sweet.

[grand shale]

hmmm

Ive seen the crazy amounts of doom damage thats possible but the highest ive evr gotten is like 292

[terse relic]

I had a fun run recently with Gilgamesh. Colossal Knuckle + Zeus and Ares revenges. Now that’s how you do attrition.

I had something like 280 Doom in that one, but I think revenge Doom starts higher than attack Doom.

[gaunt tapir]

the highest doom is Doom Eternal

[half zephyr]

this gonna give me nightmares

I just had teleporting flame chariots

[gaunt tapir]

That just sounds like a great time

[half zephyr]

it's teleporting fire cats that explode

[dusky scaffold]

ok time to play lol

[plucky pike]

ngl my fav hades fight was with Excalibur, i think i was using Athena and Hermes boons

cause i had deflect and speed boons

[half zephyr]

saaame

I got epic Hermes boon rn

for faster attack

and athena attack

it's fun trying out a tank build

[plucky pike]

if you have dio special x hermes x athena dash and attack, its so much fun

[half zephyr]

got artie special

and her extra crit damage boon

so it's fun to lay down the special

and I got +110% attack dmg

and my dash strike has +62% dmg

wow

I have all my dd

but this is the first time I've seen both Deathless Stand & Last Stand in the boon list at the same time

what gives athena??

[plucky pike]

i was using shield of beowulf lv1 with festive fog level 7 and was doing 1200 damage per shield rush lol, so great

[half zephyr]

when putting down your special on arthur does 900+ dmg
and I'm sure there's ways to make it even higher, but I'm not that good

I liked Arthur =w=

I got very nice speed boons so I was speeding around

@dusky scaffold so, do you have the boon list unlocked in your codex?

[dusky scaffold]

Idk

I'll check in a sec

Sorry

[half zephyr]

if you look at an olympian gods page - or chaos - there'll be something in the bottom right corner

if you have it

it let's you see all the boons you can get from the god in question, the prerequisites for that boon, and it also lists duos & legendaries

that way you'll know what to aim for in a run

and you can check it at any time during your run since it's in your codex

[dusky scaffold]

Ya but like I don't understand what a build even is in this game thats whats im finding frustrating I hate not knowing how to build my character when playing any game when you don't it almost feels like your grabbing any boon or power with no reason you know?

[half zephyr]

😗

that's my usual play style really

when I'm not doing heats

I just wanna have fun

there is a whole channel dedicated to builds here though!
#h1-builds-and-combat
maybe you'll find something there?

[dusky scaffold]

Dame i really really like to specialize in rouge likes and well o can't figure out how to do that like what do I put the fruits in do I put them all on one boon or like lvl multiple

[half zephyr]

that depends

I like to get high attack/special % if I'm running that kind of boon setup

and cast

like Hera bow when I tried it - aphro cast with.. level 6! that's what lyte said

with the mini poms you don't get a choice

[grand crystal]

generally for allocating poms you want to put it in what gives you the most product for it

generally you want to upgrade your cores first

and those cores being attack, special, cast, call, dash

and only put poms in the ones that matter

[half zephyr]

was it olympian favor if I wanted to see more darkness rooms?

instead of dark foresight

[grand crystal]

i.e putting a pom in athena dash is useless since its not offensive and gives no damage

[half zephyr]

or was that just for more nectar chance

I don't remember

[grand crystal]

olympian favor is just %for rare boons

[half zephyr]

ye, I mean

the other gives a higher chance for certain rooms to appear

instead of boon rarity

[grand crystal]

yea dark forsight is the 20% for gold laurel rooms

so gods favor is what you want for darkness grinding

or grinding in general

[half zephyr]

I just got shield again with dark thirst - I just did my heat 7 run earlier or yesterday

it's not that long ago

think it was earlier today

I'm just

I don't wanna do another heat run, so why not do a proper collection run

[grand crystal]

true yea

[half zephyr]

I'm not even gonna do any EM

and now I look at the time I should probably do it later

much later

[grand crystal]

yea when i just wanna screw around or resource get i just tone it to 5 heat(hell minimum)

[half zephyr]

😅

it's 2:42 am oop

[grand crystal]

lol what is it late for you??

oh

lol

[half zephyr]

I have to wake up around 7:30-8 am

[grand crystal]

damn

[half zephyr]

I forgot

was playing

[grand crystal]

or you could be like me and just stay up all night

thats another option

[half zephyr]

this truly be a 3 am game

nah, got an appointment I gotta be awake for

[grand crystal]

mhm why else do you think im up so late >:3

oh well then

[half zephyr]

I'll finish the setup so I can just jump out the window tomorrow

[grand crystal]

epic

[copper canopy]

It finally happened

||Zagreus got up on the board|| on my file

[grand crystal]

lucky bastards

it hasent happened for me yet >:(

[copper canopy]

This was after my 299th run

[grand crystal]

oh

damn

my statement still stands

[copper canopy]

I think the requirements for it are seeing the epilogue and luck

Also just beforehand Zagreus had this adorable conversation with Megaera

Zagreus: Meg, have you ever fallen in love?
Megaera: Hm, yes...
Zagreus: With who?
Megaera: Shut up.

[grand crystal]

lmao

i just love post bond forge meg

like pre i dont care about at all

but after i romanced her shes so nice

[copper canopy]

Yeah, I agree completely~
Also, don’t fret, I’m certain you’ll get ||Zagreus on the board||!

[grand crystal]

-w- i hope so

im on like run 90

and like 80 wins

so i wonder if its win related

[copper canopy]

Well I delayed getting the epilogue for quite some time

Also that’s a fantastic win to run ratio

Seriously

[grand crystal]

ive played the game for 2 years -_-

its not impressive at all

its just my experience talking

[copper canopy]

I’ve done exactly 300 runs and only under half of them are wins

I do experiment a lot though

[grand crystal]

yea im too scared to experiment the second im >=16 heat lol

and i play that high generally

[copper canopy]

Still trying to get boonless mirrorless but uuuuugh I might give up

Boonless is way easier than mirrorless, and combining the two is terrible

One dash simply isn’t enough.

[grand crystal]

fresh file players would like to speak with you

[copper canopy]

I’ve gotten to Hades several times but no wins

[copper canopy]

They have boons

[grand crystal]

ive been trying to grind out freshfile actually

im sure someone has done a boonless freshfile

[copper canopy]

Yeah but I wanna see it >:

Back to the original point for a moment though, how many runs have you done since completing the epilogue?

[craggy barn]

boonless freshfile may as well just be freshfile considering you don't even have access to hammers or hermes

[copper canopy]

Hermes counts as a boon

Hammers is free game though

[grand crystal]

you also dont have access to like half of the gods

only like arte, dio, athena, ares

i think

cuz zeus is the next run

pos comes a bit later i think

and dem is restricted to getting to hades

oh and aphro i think

so your god pool is really small

[craggy barn]

athena + ares is apparently all you need for a first run clear anyways

[grand crystal]

mhm

[craggy barn]

maybe something from dio or arty like pressure points but that's pretty much everything necessary

[grand crystal]

and deadly reversal is also good

[craggy barn]

if you can get it, then yeah

[grand crystal]

i was able to get to theseus one of my tries with my limited experience

[copper canopy]

Some would argue that, because it’s a set pool, it’s easier to get the Merciful End boon.

[grand crystal]

yeaa

its really easy to get the duos you want

[copper canopy]

But I’m not using boons ;~;

[grand crystal]

ah

well you have the 100% from sis shackle

[copper canopy]

I’ve done boonless and mirrorless now I want ti combine them

[copper canopy]

Yeah that’s been a standby

But one dash really isn’t enough, that’s not even mentioning the lack of Death Defiances

[grand crystal]

tbh the only reason i cant do fresh file is cuz of asterius jank

[copper canopy]

The one dash doesn’t become a huge problem until Hades

[grand crystal]

his hitboxes are wack

and it feels weird that theseus can call on all gods on freshfile

[copper canopy]

Even Demeter or the ones you’re using?

[grand crystal]

all the gods im not using, even demeter

its kinda weird

[copper canopy]

I swear on me jacobs he once used Zeus on me when I had a Zeus boon

[grand crystal]

me jacobs

what does that even mean

[copper canopy]

I know, it’s fun to say

I’m not 100% sure tbh

I know it doesn’t mean anything bad and I know it means something that help contribute to the point I’m trying to make

||Vinny said it a couple times||

[grand crystal]

aahhh yea, i get that

me jacobs

but ive been wanting to do boonless i just dont know what weapon

[copper canopy]

I’ve been experimenting for boonless mirrorless and I’m still not sure. I think I did bow for boonless.

[grand crystal]

ah

ive been thinking bow but eh, idk

[copper canopy]

I picked it simply because it was a “safe” choice

[grand crystal]

i feel like something like rama might be my best bet

[copper canopy]

I didn’t have to get close

Btw, in my experimentation with boonless mirrorless, I’ve found that, incredibly, you can’t cheese Hades with Flurry Slash + Cursed Blade.

He still destroys you

[grand crystal]

damn

that sucks

yk

[copper canopy]

Right?

[grand crystal]

i cant wait for the day of mirrorless, boonless 64 heat

[copper canopy]

I’m not sure anyone’s even done above 60

I think 60 is still the WR

(The 4 heat that was saved was only going RI2, since Stubborn Defiance was the only method of healing.)

[grand crystal]

lol just get good

[copper canopy]

||That’s what I was thinking but easier said than done||

I guess they have to be reckless because there’s a strict time limit.

[grand crystal]

yea ik, i tried 40 and died at hydra

[copper canopy]

They can’t be as careful as they want.

[grand crystal]

and tbh i onlyy get screwed by benefits package

like

seeking power witches and you dont have a deflect

and fo2

like

its painful

[copper canopy]

Benefits Package is hands down the worst condition, prove me wrong

Sure there’s harder ones, but they at least give more than one heat.

[grand crystal]

ri would like to speak with you

[copper canopy]

At least each level of RI gives 2 heat

RI2 helped me beat my 32 Heat run

[grand crystal]

honestly i cant deal with ri2

i need the base hp and casts

[copper canopy]

Also, reminder that the jars Hades summons count as traps

So 150 HP per jar

RI1 is fine, but RI2 can be annoying yeah

So yeah Security Measures is the worst heat-to-difficulty ratio

[scarlet gull]

tfw you buy chaos and forget to take it

[static stirrup]

Why do the Flame Wheels sound like kittens?

[runic parrot]

they're cats

or furries. not sure

either way they belong in elysium because they died in glory

[wise sparrow]

they are kitties

[mighty needle]

Yeah, the Nemean Chariots are lions and Flamewheels are their cubs

[rapid forum]

that explodes

every now and then

[mighty needle]

It's actually really cool conceptually, the idea that riders were so attached to their chariots that they become them in the afterlife

Or that the chariots themselves gain some piece of their rider's soul and can travel with them

It's not entirely clear which from the codex but it is funkalicious either way

[charred anchor]

should i choose flash fire, greater inferno or triple beam

for lucifer gun

[craggy barn]

do you have a special build?

[charred anchor]

nah im just messing around

im prolly gonna die cuz i used the pact of punishment timer and didnt realize how slow lucifer is

[craggy barn]

if you don't already have something good on your special then you can just go for any of them anyways

actually triple bomb is better than greater inferno though

[charred anchor]

i died <3

in the goddamn em3 theseus fight cuz the timer ran out

[humble lotus]

So dear god the ||aspect of arthur|| seems insanely good

[charred anchor]

its really good

[grand crystal]

debatable tbh

but you do you

[stoic violet]

Elysium is a bit annoying to play through.... XD anyone else feel that?

[humble lotus]

I just like the greater range

[grand crystal]

i do, very much

[charred anchor]

elysiums a pain

[grand crystal]

the enemies have wayy to little startup and shieldbearers can die in a hole

i kept taking 10 fom brightswords

since they have 0 startup

its just like frame 1

[charred anchor]

the butterfly balls are really cool. like everyone complains about them but lets be real they look dope

or mb i just love pink

[acoustic quartz]

i found asphodel more annoying tbh

[acoustic quartz]

yea but those butterflies are annoying to deal with

[charred anchor]

first time i got to asphodel i stepped in magma and died almost immediately

[stoic violet]

I got the game recently and I've beat it once with the rail. I'm doin a varatha run rn and it sucks.

[charred anchor]

like legit before even getting into battle

dead

[acoustic quartz]

are you using any aspects?

[humble lotus]

Elysium is easier than asphodel most of the time in my opinion but minibosses and the champions suck

[stoic violet]

Hades aspect @acoustic quartz

[grand crystal]

honestly the power couple sucks

[charred anchor]

i hate them

[acoustic quartz]

ah with hades aspect you should try to get enchants that focus on spin attack

[stoic violet]

I'm right at Theseus and Asterius

[grand crystal]

im fine with big ball and asterius as mni bosses

[acoustic quartz]

ok an easy way to beat theseus with varatha

is spam special

[stoic violet]

Only got skelly tooth, no other death defiance

[charred anchor]

the hammer upgrade that makes u sturdy during ur spin attack is a must imo

[acoustic quartz]

try finding patroclus then

he can recharge all your death defiances

[stoic violet]

Already did and lost all of them!

[acoustic quartz]

bruh

tbh now that I am using demeter boons i never rely on death defiance lmao

i just get demeter and athena duo boon

[charred anchor]

i wanted to charge my spin attack but the clap from my asscheeks kept alerting asterius

[grand crystal]

lmao mee too tho

thats just me during any hades spear run

[stoic violet]

I dunno how to pick boons per weapon.

[acoustic quartz]

do you have the god's keepsakes?

[tacit moat]

imagine using spin attack and not just going flurry jab with zeus + artemis on attack

[stoic violet]

Imma go die real quick and then come back to chat more

[charred anchor]

flurry jab is good

[acoustic quartz]

i only use spin attack when enemies are about to spawn lmao

cuz that bonus attack

[stoic violet]

Welp, I'm back

[tacit moat]

flurry jab + attack speed boost + zeus + artemis arrows = lemme hold a button down and win... there is probably something better than zeus but i like the bouncing lightning

how'd it go potatoman

[stoic violet]

I died after only getting Asterius down half

I focus him first, is that a good idea?

[acoustic quartz]

yes

a tip for dealing with asterius

attack from a range if possible

when you see him about to attack, dash away or to the side

also

i think you shouldnt use spin attack

wont do much and leaves you vulnerable for too long

[stoic violet]

Is it worth using whichever weapon has the darkness boost?

[acoustic quartz]

thats what i do

[stoic violet]

I've got a few I prefer, but I've been going through all of them for the darkness boost

[acoustic quartz]

it depends on your setup and what you want to do honestly

[tacit moat]

I do that just because it makes my decision for me when I wanna do a run

[acoustic quartz]

yea lmao

[tacit moat]

my fastest run so far is spear

[acoustic quartz]

i have fave weapons but i like using every weapon

[stoic violet]

I never try and go for specific setups, I pick a weapon and see where that gets me. I usually go with acorn

[acoustic quartz]

so i just go for dark thirst

what i meant was your mirror setup

[dusky scaffold]

so how should i be distributing my pom fruitse amongs my boons

[acoustic quartz]

like if you have dark regeneration

[dusky scaffold]

in terms of a build

or do i pump it all in one

[acoustic quartz]

dark thirst is very worth it imo

[acoustic quartz]

its up to you really

I recommend you focus on one that youre using a lot

[dusky scaffold]

ya thats what i do i only put pom fruite in the one i use the most

[vapid narwhal]

focus on your core

poms have diminishing return past level 4 but any increase is still increase

[dusky scaffold]

but that being said how do i deal with other boons do i jsut try to avoid them?

oh so a lvl 1 abilty can still be good?

[acoustic quartz]

well yea lmao

[vapid narwhal]

you can beat the game with all lv 1 boons

[acoustic quartz]

i rarely level up my boons tbh

[vapid narwhal]

lv1 common boons at that

[acoustic quartz]

i focus more on rarity

[dusky scaffold]

oh so it would be worth it to pick up other boons even if you only plan to lvl 1?

[vapid narwhal]

so the game is not balanced around having high rarity nor level

[stoic violet]

Imma do a aspect of zeus Aegis run. What boons work well with that?

[acoustic quartz]

i heard zeus boon on special is good

[tacit moat]

potato - I've been loving zeus aegis lately. yeah that ^

[dusky scaffold]

ok im used to dead cells where you pump everything into the given style your going for lol or at least thats how i play it

[acoustic quartz]

honestly any status effect on special is good imo

[vapid narwhal]

if you think it is useful for you, take it

[tacit moat]

zeus special plus artemis arrows if you can get them because every time the special hits, you fire that arrow

[vapid narwhal]

also there are some boons that are quite literally rarity/level independent

[dusky scaffold]

i was really liking the doom abilty on the spear

[vapid narwhal]

i.e Divine Dash

[dusky scaffold]

also any hades you tubers yall recommend watching so i can maybe pick some stuff up that helped me a lot with getting better at dewad cells was watching runs on youtube and seeing what they where picking up and and how they where using it

@acoustic quartz i got zuse right off the bat so ill try it out

[acoustic quartz]

oh yea do you have the codex with the boon list?

cuz if you do I recommend going for duo boons

[dusky scaffold]

i got it the first run after you told me abouit it

i really wanna get the butterfly keep sake is the npc you have to give the necter to after the first boss?

[humble lotus]

I got a dumb thing and i love it

Golden touch, side hussle, and hoarding slash

[acoustic quartz]

idk how you get him to appear tbh

[humble lotus]

Just stockpileing money for stupid damage

[acoustic quartz]

i just played and he appeared out of nowhere

but once he appears just give him nectar to get it

you need to either kill more enemies than him in a stage or encounter him in house of hades to do that

[stoic violet]

Best shield daedalus upgrade between pulverizing blow, dashing wallop or sudden rush?

[grand crystal]

depends on the build tbh

[stoic violet]

I don't know how to make good builds, I've just got lightning dash and that's it

On Zeus Aegis

[grand crystal]

oh zeus aspect

ummm

pulverizing is the 2 hits but no knockback right??

[stoic violet]

Ye

[grand crystal]

since its zeus, you wont be bull rushing much

and since you have zeus dash rn

[stoic violet]

Any beginner tips on how to make a build also?

[grand crystal]

id say pulverizing is the best option

ummm

just experiment and look at duos

generally duos are your really powerful builds so its always nice to frame it off of that

[stoic violet]

I dunno all the duos

[grand crystal]

and always try to do "pure god builds" where you try to go only for that god to get used to how they work and what they synergize with

[acoustic quartz]

just get boons and upgrades on an aspect that you will use a lot

[grand crystal]

do you have the upgraded codex??

[acoustic quartz]

also get boons that support boons you already have

for example you use your special a lot

[stoic violet]

Upgraded codex? Remind me of what that is again?

[acoustic quartz]

you get boons that support your special

[acoustic quartz]

you can upgrade your codex in the workshop thing

house contractor

[vapid narwhal]

boons are tiered, ie, some are tier 1 or 2

tier 2s require certain tier 1s and often enhance tier 1 s

[stoic violet]

I'll check once this run is over

[acoustic quartz]

once you get the upgraded codex, making builds should be easier

[stoic violet]

Ok

[vapid narwhal]

for example, if you have curse of agony a tier 1 boon, this will enable you to see tier 2 boons like dire misfortune

[acoustic quartz]

an easy way to do it is to aim for a duo or legendary boon

[grand crystal]

but only some lvl 2 boons allow for legendary

[stoic violet]

Gonna finish my run and come back

[grand crystal]

ight, have fun!

[stoic violet]

Should I do the fight boon rooms where you pick one god?

[grand crystal]

if you want

[stoic violet]

Last question

[grand crystal]

its more of a "if your comfortable with it"

[stoic violet]

But is there a benefit?

[grand crystal]

i am so i always do

mhm

2 boons

1 room

[stoic violet]

Ok

But them being mad doesn't continue throughout the rest of the run, right?

[grand crystal]

right

[stoic violet]

Thanks y'all

[grand crystal]

its just for that one room for the sake of funny and a fight

yea np :3

[runic parrot]

if youre running zeus pulverizing blow is better since you generally dont want to knock enemies out of the range of your special

i almost never use the bullrush on zeus lmao

[stoic violet]

Phooey, died in Asphodel.... Doesn't happen often...

[dusky scaffold]

is the sword just as good as the other weapons?

[runic parrot]

yes

[dusky scaffold]

because im having the most fun with it

cool

[runic parrot]

but it has a very specific rhythm that you have to get into

[wispy monolith]

Special has a good aoe

[runic parrot]

it's easy to use but it has a high skill ceiling

[dusky scaffold]

well out of the ones i have with is the shield spear and sword

[runic parrot]

there's a good sword guide on youtube if you take a look

[grand crystal]

get bow, bow is epic

and if you like sword then im sure youll like fists

[runic parrot]

the sword pretty much relies on you getting into the rhythm of dash attacking and specials at the right moments

[wispy monolith]

Oney managed to get to Elysium with the sword in his first playthrough

[dusky scaffold]

i got the bow

i got hang over on the specle

it was fun

[wispy monolith]

Nice

||Aspect of Chiron|| with Dionysus' special is pretty good imo

[dusky scaffold]

cool

[grand crystal]

chiron works with anything that isnt zeus special imo

[craggy barn]

it's pretty strong

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/813609750616604703/Hades_157.png

[runic parrot]

alright let me do a run with zeus on chiron special then

my runs are fueled by spite

and one-up-manship

[grand crystal]

then have fun only hitting with like 1 bolt of lightning every special

[manic moat]

I had a spite fueled run once

it didn't go well

[grand crystal]

it works but its disappointing

[runic parrot]

spite got me my first 32 heat

[runic parrot]

yeah it sounds bad but i'll try to at least finish a run with it

hopefully get splitting jolt and the double strike

[wispy monolith]

What do I do with the bounties, anyway?

[grand crystal]

blood is for weapon aspects, diamonds are for contractor, and ambro is for relationship stuff

[manic moat]

titan blood to upgrade weapons, ambrosia to turn into titan blood, diamond to turn into ambrosia to turn into titan blood

nectar to turn into diamond to turn into ambrosia to turn into titan blood

[wispy monolith]

I meant the skull things

[manic moat]

oh that's heat

[wispy monolith]

What's that do?

[manic moat]

increases the difficulty

[grand crystal]

makes the game harder and refreshes boss drops

up to 20 that is

[wispy monolith]

Oooh

[dusky scaffold]

dose the server have any vcs? sorry if its a dumb question i just know some servers have them locked behind roles

[grand crystal]

i dont think there are any

just a text server

[dusky scaffold]

ah i see

[wispy monolith]

One more question

[manic moat]

there should be at least one vc for people to stream man

I'm pretty sure it would be used often

[runic parrot]

i think it'd be too much of a hassle to moderate

[wispy monolith]

How do I unlock the third aspect for each weapon?

[runic parrot]

it is a general sgg server anyhow

[manic moat]

fair enough

is there a specific hades server tho

[dusky scaffold]

idk personly i think every server should have vcs but i may be a lil bias lol

well not every

let me refrace that

sorry for spelling im cross faded and dislexic lol

keep forgetting spell check

[grand crystal]

its fine! we can still tell what youre trying to say so its all good :3

[dusky scaffold]

maybe ill beat the first boss tommorow got the day off

im getting to here consistently

her

[grand crystal]

that is both having guan yu already unlocked(5 aspects that arent zag unlocked + talk to achilles(its also spear)) and having at least 5 blood into a weapon and talk to the corresponding npc. i.e, 5 blood in zag sword, having guan yu unlocked, and talking to nyx unlocks the sword one

[plucky pike]

it would be really cool to have like an arena mode in elysium that you can access from the house contractor, it would be an easier way to add characters that people are interested in, versus adding whole new story components, if they are adding any new content in the future, it could also be like purchasing pacts from the contractor that would let you customize the champions of elysium. Im not really sure if supergiant is planning on adding anything new at that scale but it would be dope.

[dusky scaffold]

last run i was one hit from beating her but i choked so i def think my next run will be it

i think i understand all her atks now

But ya any youtubers yall recommend? One thing that really helped me get better at dead cells was watching runs to see what good players be doing

[grand crystal]

umm ive heard haelian is good

but tbh outside of that i havent heard much :/

just haelian

[dusky scaffold]

Oh ya I saw part of one of his videos on brake at work

[grand crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbMkJBxIVaI

[dusky scaffold]

He toke the posidans dash to lvl 30

I'm ready watching the o e you liked lol

[grand crystal]

nice

[dusky scaffold]

I like this emot lol

[narrow hemlock]

it doesnt suit every server. this server is too big and we cant feasibly moderate vc

[dusky scaffold]

Makes me tempted to buy Nitro again lol

[manic moat]

dusa emoji is best emoji

[mighty socket]

but yes

its my firm belief that Dusa is the only thing holding my life together

[cinder glacier]

Dusa is life Dusa is love

[cerulean ferry]

I wholeheartedly agree

[hollow hawk]

wait till you find out he took aphro attack to like lvl 50

[acoustic quartz]

guys i just unlocked aspect of guan yu

should i get it?

dont have any titan blood so imma have to use ambrosia to get some

[vapid narwhal]

high risk high reward weapon that needs full 15 blood investment, probably not

[acoustic quartz]

ah ok then I'll just wait for later

[manic moat]

I mean you should get guan yu to get get the hidden aspects shown to you

or wait

no actually

[vapid narwhal]

you dont need to

just have it revealed

[manic moat]

yea that

[runic parrot]

got second wave instead of sea storm

[hollow hawk]

best legendary in the game

pog

[runic parrot]

still took it though

orange boon is orange boon even if they're bad

note to self: never take second wave if you have point blank and tidal dash

[half zephyr]

[rapid forum]

Don't take tidal dash if you have twin shot

[runic fern]

What’s the max chance of getting legendaries in the mirror?

And if you increase the epic chance does that increase the legendary chance

[wise sparrow]

Miniboss and Styx rewards have decreased duo/legendary chances

In a normal chamber, boon rarities are:

• Legendary/Duo: 12% per slot
• Epic: 5% per slot
• Rare: 10% per slot

In a miniboss chamber, boon rarities are:

• Legendary/Duo: 10% per slot
• Epic: 25% per slot
• Rare: 100% per slot if in Tartarus, 90% per slot otherwise

Assuming your core boons are filled, and you do not have the corresponding god's keepsake equipped,

In a normal room, your chances of seeing a Duo/Legendary boon are 31.85% with Gods' Pride, and 52.56% with Gods' Legacy.

In a miniboss/styx room, your chances of seeing a Duo/Legendary boon are 27.1% with Gods' Pride, and 48.8% with Gods' Legacy.

When picking up a miniboss or Styx boon, with filled core boons, you are 15% less likely to see a duo/legendary with Gods' Pride and 7% less likely to see a duo/legendary with Gods' Legacy.
From Museus in the speedrun server.

increasing epic doesn’t increase duo chance

[half zephyr]

You have to choose between the epic chance or the legendary/duo chance

Legendary/duo caps at 10%

[runic fern]

Oh okay thanks

[half zephyr]

But it helps - esp for duo

[runic fern]

Tbh the best legendary is like Artemis or Hermes

Athena sorry

[half zephyr]

Eh

[runic fern]

Or Artemis her’s is okay