h1-discussion

[craggy barn]

sadly all of the songs you can play at the house are instrumental

[half zephyr]

it does make sense with that one though since it's a duet

[restive cave]

who would win in a 1v1 between hades and king yemma

[quiet canopy]

how strong is ares i mean is there a power ranking in gods ?

when i search internet every ranking is different what are they based on ?

[indigo lintel]

it's dependent from build to build

The general hierarchy is Daedalus Hammers, Hermes Boons and then the other gods

[quiet canopy]

like there is no ranking like x , y for utility , z for damage is better

[indigo lintel]

I'd say there's a hierarchy in certain builds, but Ares generally is good with doom and blade rift skills

[gaunt tapir]

Just like weapons and aspects it's up to preference I'd say

[runic parrot]

at low heats and for casual play it's really all up to preference

devs did a swell job balancing the aspects and boons

i think poseidon and dio is kinda weak without some t2 boons though

[indigo lintel]

I think Aphrodite is the worst, Dionysus works if you can get attacks of quickly to stack them and Poseidon is just kinda mid

[half zephyr]

hangover is great if you got priviliged status tho

easy to apply

[runic parrot]

aphrodite has the best percentage damage boost out of all of them

[gaunt tapir]

Less damage from enemies means more health for me just saying

[half zephyr]

aphy can be the best if you use her right

[runic parrot]

her curse is very weak attackwise though

[gaunt tapir]

Ironic

[half zephyr]

ye, but the %

[runic parrot]

it can be negated by the t2 boons

[half zephyr]

and again, if priviliged status

[runic parrot]

sweet surrender is good when paired up with privileged status

[half zephyr]

weak is easy to apply

[runic parrot]

50% damage boost? dont mind if i do

passion dash is my favourite way of applying weak for PS

[small tusk]

What's a "T2 boon"? Asking because I'm not familiar with the slang here, even though I finished the entire story.

[half zephyr]

tier 2

like you need another boon to unlock it

[small tusk]

Oh, lol. Derp me.

[half zephyr]

and it'll likely make that boon more powerful

[small tusk]

Thought it was some fancy new update xD

[runic parrot]

dont worry about not knowing terms, just ask, people here are generally friendly

i use abbreviations because its easier and its a habit so my bad haha

[half zephyr]

took me some time too but then it just clicked one day

now the most difficult dialogue in here to decipher is when the high heat folks come in

and every pact is referred to by initials & you're just trying to remember what's what & what did that do again

[small tusk]

I think I've done maybe heat 12 or so, but I didn't bother doing them for the sake of doing them, tbh

Wanted the story completed first

[half zephyr]

I think some of them are fun

em3 is hilarious cuz theseus

I love theseus

his dialogue & va

can't help but smile & giggle whenever I hear it

[small tusk]

I'm mainly bummed out about seeing news for a physical cart release for Switch like 2 months after I bought the digital there. Boo xD

[half zephyr]

and then Asterius is standing there looking like a fed up babysitter

[half zephyr]

that won't stop me

I'm gonna get the physical so I can have easy access on my Lite

[small tusk]

Still anmoying. I like the devs, love the game, but paying for it a 3rd time is a bit silly

[stiff trellis]

Then don't, I guess

[half zephyr]

I'll be getting it a third time :3

first got it on switch, then steam & next be physical switch

[stiff trellis]

I got it on epic when it released in early access, then on steam so that I could delete the epic games store

[half zephyr]

I didn't know it existed back in ea

[small tusk]

For me it's steam, then switch after the cross-save patches. I wanted a physical cart, but the answer regarding that question was never answered, so I caved in. THAT is the annoying part. If I had known - I would have waited. Still, physical is best for game preservation on consoles. PC is different, for reasons I shan't mention xD

[stiff trellis]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[small tusk]

Was EA only on Epic? Because I didn't either. I just grab the free stuff they give and the rest is Steam.

[half zephyr]

no, I didn't know supergiant games existed back then

[small tusk]

Same, still xD

[half zephyr]

I found out about them during the hades trailer during nintendo showcase

[small tusk]

I got into Hades because my missis found it. I had Transistor from Epic, but never played it.

[half zephyr]

I just fell in love with it cuz greek mythology

[small tusk]

Me with God of War 😂

[vapid narwhal]

Hades launched on Steam in December 2019 so early access was not completely epic only

[half zephyr]

if the theme of the game wasn't greek mythology - or any other mythology I guess - I likely wouldn't ever have picked it up

[small tusk]

I would have. The gameplay rules.

[half zephyr]

ye, but the thing that caught my eye was mythology

[small tusk]

Hell, I play DOOM just for the sake of slashing demons into bits xD

Not much story there

[half zephyr]

I play this as a straight story game that just happens to have some fighting on the side

[stiff trellis]

Early access first released on epic games

[crude pasture]

Agreed, the story is what really drew me in

[stiff trellis]

It was on steam before it fully released

[half zephyr]

ye, early access on steam too

[small tusk]

For me it was the gameplay and the good writing. It could have been egyptian, roman, christian, nordic, etc mythos and I wouldn't really care that much.

[stiff trellis]

Pyre had a massive impact on me so I knew I had to get it the second I saw the ad

[half zephyr]

there's a whole bit in the noclip documentary where they talk about having to do the ea q&a for steam

[half zephyr]

yup, same

it's what drew me to IFR too

[small tusk]

I guess you misunderstood what I wrote

I meant I would have gotten the game regardless of the mythology, because the gameplay is solid and the writing is dope

[stiff trellis]

For me, I love all of supergiant's games

And I was curious to how they would adapt that to a fast paced genre like roguelikes

And while initially it did take a bit to make the controls feel as responsive as they do now

They adapted the combat to that speed and reactive nature really well!

[small tusk]

I come from a PC background (grew up with PCs since I was 5 or 6) and I generally don't play 2D looking games on the system, as I tend to invest heavily into hardware to play at stupid quality settings. My missis is more into pixel games. I only really play those on systems like GB/GBC/GBA where the technology dictated the style possibilities. So Hades was quite an outlier for me, to be fair. 😅

[stiff trellis]

Pyre still remains one of my favourite games just because of how good it is and how much the themes resonate with me

It was and is really big for me

So then I played their other two games at the time

And had a great time

And then hades was announced

[small tusk]

I've got Transistor on PC, might give that a shot.

[half zephyr]

aah - I just wouldn't care what mythology was used XD
I bet the story would be just as good anyways

[stiff trellis]

And it's their best game yet

Transistor is a really interesting game

It's got a really creative combat system

[small tusk]

I might give it a shot 😄

I'm more used to playing games like DOOM, Witcher 3, etc

[half zephyr]

this not hades

guh, I have to do a spear run later

with fated authority

[small tusk]

Something about 2D or low-res 3D art that doesn't draw me in, personally. Could be the fact that I'm a 3D artist, so 3D is where it's at for me (even though obviously the other games also use 3D elements, but that's not what I mean). I try not to discriminate - content is king. But visually I find it hard to try them 😄

[half zephyr]

at least I can do 0 heat

[small tusk]

I don't enjoy the spear

[half zephyr]

mixed feelings, but overall it's my 2nd least fave weapon

[small tusk]

Bow > Sword/Fists > Rail > Shield/Spear

[half zephyr]

for me bow will always be last

for enjoyment it's fist>shield>sword/rail>spear>bow

[small tusk]

I can't stand shield xD

awkward gameplay

[half zephyr]

for completion rate it's rail>shield>sword/fist>spear>bow

[small tusk]

I think I've done my highest heat runs with the bow

[half zephyr]

I just dash-strike anyways so it's just my usual gameplay but with the option to block

zeus shield was fun enough

[signal aspen]

yes

[half zephyr]

chaos & zag turns into pinball

doomed pinball

[signal aspen]

you cant say that you dont like shield unless you have tried all aspects

and didnt like them

[small tusk]

I guess

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[small tusk]

I haven't tried all of them for sure

[half zephyr]

like I still don't like bow, but Hera was ok

[small tusk]

Chiron FTW xD

[half zephyr]

and I do decent with Chiron

it's just that I don't have fun when I play bow

what's the point of playing if I don't have fun y'know

[signal aspen]

if you get the +4 special arrows on chiron then you basically won unless you have high heat

[half zephyr]

doesn't help that the bow dislikes me too

I was told after my Hera run that it's one of the faster bow aspects

[small tusk]

I've had +4 arrows, +3dmg for each consecutive hit, +20-30% special speed and then obviously the boons are an individual preference xD

It's sooo good

[half zephyr]

but I somehow ended up with upgrades & stuff that made it one of my slowest runs yet

37 mins

[signal aspen]

bruh

[half zephyr]

max hera on 0 heat

the bow was not meant for me

[small tusk]

37min is nothing. I've had like an 87min run once when I left the game on when cooking a meal xD

[signal aspen]

lmao

[half zephyr]

my runs are never that long

I barely ever cross 30 mins

[small tusk]

I take my time. What's the rush, unless you're farming or have the time heat

[crude pasture]

I usually end up somewhere around 30 minutes

[signal aspen]

i usually end my runs sub 20

[half zephyr]

I'm not at that point yet

I like to explore the rooms a bit

[signal aspen]

its ok

[half zephyr]

and I keep forgetting to pause

[small tusk]

I tend to look at the art, optimize boons (sitting in the menus as a result), etc 😄

[signal aspen]

you will get there soon

[small tusk]

I am happy to say that the game plays well at 5K 165fps (on a 165Hz screen) 😄

[half zephyr]

my next run is not gonna be fun cuz I need ares/demeter duo boon and I'll have fated authority instead of persuation

[signal aspen]

bruh

[small tusk]

I'll try the game at 8K so I can pixel-peep the artwork xD

at 5K I already see big differences in artwork scaling 😄

(random PC person tests because I be like that)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399068055092723712/813386626456617010/Desktop_Screenshot_2020.10.17_-_00.00.22.79.png

(5K screenshot above)

[sacred mural]

okay my question is, how do you turn on in-game timer is it in settings?

[small tusk]

I think so

[half zephyr]

ye

it's in settings

[sacred mural]

ty

[hushed pumice]

Are those

Statues

Of Medusa

Bottom of the image

[spice hearth]

yep

or gorgons in general

[gaunt tapir]

Not all gorgons are medusa smh

[small tusk]

What's next, water is wet? xD

[unborn remnant]

hello

[stone remnant]

Do I lose my dodge chance if I change from hermes keepsake?

also than?

[gaunt tapir]

I believe so

[half zephyr]

[half zephyr]

yes

if you gonna use plume you need to have it on the whole time after you equip it to keep the bonus

[stone remnant]

lameee

ok

ty

[half zephyr]

they're basically all like that tho

¯_(ツ)_/¯

plume run can be amazing tho

zag fist dodge run

[manic moat]

zag sword flurry slash run

[charred anchor]

is pomegranate flower like that

[half zephyr]

you don't lose the levels no

[charred anchor]

cool

[half zephyr]

just won't get more mini poms

from encounter clears

I think coinpurse sticks around too

[charred anchor]

yeah it does

[half zephyr]

but you do lose the dd with lucky tooth

[charred anchor]

does lucky tooth only wokr when uve used up ur dds

[half zephyr]

no

you can put it on at the start & get an extra dd from the beginning

it just makes it so that you have 0-3 + 1

[small tusk]

Skelly's tooth was helpful in getting the first complete run without having to do it 50 times 😄

[half zephyr]

just like chaos legendary will give you an extra dd

[tight cave]

Honestly, Evergreen Acorn >>> Lucky Tooth. I'm pretty sure changing from using the tooth to the acorn was a big factor in me getting my first clear.

[half zephyr]

I was leery at the start

but then I got used to it &

acorn so much better

I've gone entire first phase without taking damage

I felt sorry for Hades the first time I got athena legend

[tight cave]

Pairs well with Hydraulic Might too if you don't mind losing the shield early, just go ham on the boss for the first 10 seconds or so.

[half zephyr]

cuz I had 3 dd, acorn & now a shield that comes back every 20 seconds

and that's if I get hit

[charred anchor]

the one chaos boon im missing for the prophecy is defiance, how do i get that?

do i have to use a dd?

[half zephyr]

have you unlocked the boon list for the gods yet?

cuz then you can just look & see if there's a prerequisite for the legend, and if there's not then it's prolly just rng

[tight cave]

That's the legendary, right? A few people on the subreddit have gotten it without losing a DD, seems to be the rarest boon in the game so it is just RNG.

[dusky wedge]

The requirements is having any one Chaos boon, from what I can see in the codex

So, second visit in a run is where you can get the legendary

[tight cave]

True, but like with duo boons that doesn't 100% guarantee that it'll show up I don't think.

[half zephyr]

you can get better odds by using mirror upgrade

[charred anchor]

okay cool

[half zephyr]

10% chance for legends & duo

[dusky wedge]

Yep, percentages should be the same as other boons

[half zephyr]

instead of better chance of epic

10% seems to do a lot for me cuz I get duo boon offers all the time

sometimes multiple offered at the same time

[dusky wedge]

Seems to be offered one each run, ngl

[half zephyr]

you gotta have the right prerequisites is all

I got my final duo boon this run so that's 15 ambrosia when I get home

plus 8 blood cuz I did the final mirror upgrade too

[dusky wedge]

I think duos just have different base percentages than legendaries

[half zephyr]

not bad for a 1 heat spear collection run

I've had multiple legends in a run too

[dusky wedge]

Like, legendary is legit rare but duos is pretty common

[half zephyr]

2-3

[wise sparrow]

duos and legendary are the same rarity in lua files

[dusky wedge]

Really?

[wise sparrow]

yes

[dusky wedge]

Ok then

[hollow hawk]

they are affected by the same bonuses too

[runic parrot]

thats why theyre in the same mirror talent

[wise sparrow]

when i mod legendary boons the duos are affected also

[hollow hawk]

chaos boons also give like a +10% duo and legendary chance

[dusky wedge]

Because it seems like legendaries is so much rarer

Maybe it’s just me

[hollow hawk]

no, you just need more prereqs for legendaries

you should check in your codex

[half zephyr]

there's a lot less legendaries too

compared to duo boons

[hollow hawk]

yeah that too

[half zephyr]

[hollow hawk]

only ~11 legendaries

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, probably right

[hollow hawk]

8 from all olympians, 2 from hermes, 1 from chaos

[runic parrot]

well 1 from hermes per run lol

[half zephyr]

poseidon has 2 too

fishing & waves

[runic parrot]

thats included in the 8

[half zephyr]

yes, but it's just

I hate the waves

[runic parrot]

everyone does

[half zephyr]

took so long to get

[runic parrot]

its not even a good one

[half zephyr]

he kept refusing to give it to me

I KNOW

I had the prerequisites so many runs in a row

and then he just drops it on me during a run when I'm not even trying for it

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Hermes was the opposite - all I wanted from him was a dodge boon for my dodge fist run

instead he insisted I take his legendary every single time

smh

[runic parrot]

i mean

you have plume

thats why

[half zephyr]

yes, but why no dodge option

so sad

even when I did reroll no dodge option

sad

then on non plume runs he throws it at me >.<

[rich acorn]

The one time I got the fishing one it was on a timed run so I had to purge it ;-;

[half zephyr]

sad

dad didn't even get to use his lasers

[wild island]

im not a fan of the GUN

[manic moat]

as you should be

[half zephyr]

it can be fun

[unborn remnant]

hows everyone?

[half zephyr]

just got my last duo & mirror upgrade prophecy done

so good

gonna take break & do shield run later

[unborn remnant]

very cool

you finished the mirror?

[half zephyr]

prophesy for using them all ye

next goal is to just get it all maxed so I can swap between everything whenever I want

good to have goals that take time

[unborn remnant]

Thats great

I'm still working on maxing my mirror rn

4k darkness for the 4th reroll was kinda brutal

but its been fun so

[half zephyr]

it's so worth it tho

[unborn remnant]

for sure

I'm gonna try for the 16 heat statue today

[dusky wedge]

Is there ever a reason to use Fiery Presence?

[hardy oasis]

yes

for bigger damage weapon aspects like Arthur, Fiery Presence is preferred

It isn't preferred on faster weapons like Fists and Rail

[manic moat]

hestia rail fiery presence

[hollow hawk]

aoe things cannot backstab

stuff like trippy shot, or the rail's special

so shadow presence is literally useless

[manic moat]

damn I never thought about that

[dusky wedge]

Oh, those makes sense

Thanks I guess

[heavy hound]

I still like backstab on arthur

But hestia definitely

[pale axle]

gun=bad

[obsidian pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/456936596227358720/812432696122409020/SPOILER_dontblameme.png when the diony is sus

[gaunt tapir]

Amber what the heck

[obsidian pagoda]

GHO WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

[gaunt tapir]

I COULD ASK THE SAME TO YOU

[unborn remnant]

Yall know each other?

[gaunt tapir]

Indeed

[obsidian pagoda]

WHAT? ME? NEVER

[gaunt tapir]

You can't hide the truth

[crude pasture]

Wow, sarcasm! That's original!

[gaunt tapir]

:)

[obsidian pagoda]

:)

gho away

[fallen moat]

when the greek god is sus

[unborn remnant]

Thats pretty cool

good for yall

[craggy barn]

when the diony is sus

i'm gonna fall into comatose

[obsidian pagoda]

when i came here for the first time i realized i had so many friends in this server

[grand crystal]

thats cool, none of my friends get into sgg stuff when i ask so ;w;

[unborn remnant]

you must know a lot of hades players then

[grand crystal]

i have like 2 friends that play hades and like neither of them are in the server i dont think

[icy island]

run

[novel lotus]

hello guys

[wise sparrow]

hello

[novel lotus]

how arrrre you?

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrow-sexy-flirt-gif-6116268

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/good-good-evil-smile-evil-grin-gif-12457086

[novel lotus]

IT'S verrry nice

I'm glad for you

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gif-12550037

[unborn remnant]

Theres an alternate universe where hades gets made but its the roman gods instead

[half zephyr]

I wanna see that

[grand crystal]

does zag even have a roman counterpart??

i dont think he does since he's so obscure

[half zephyr]

the slight differences & variations

who would be the bosses

can't have everything in life

[unborn remnant]

:(

but yeah itd be a kinda cool game

Greece > Rome
-every greek mythology fan ever

[grand crystal]

lol corrected weird to kinda cool

i mean rome did just steal greek stuff

and the guy who found it in the mythos was aphros kid i think

[half zephyr]

rome stole way more then just greek stuff

but it would be so coooool

[red jewel]

||Anyways, about Aspect of Pit and Palutena boons-||

[unborn remnant]

that is probably true

but I am not from eu, therefore I do not know

i am also not a history buff

[half zephyr]

you should watch romulus
on hbo

it's all in latin

[unborn remnant]

Whats that

I thought people dont speak latin anymore, unless this is a history thing

[half zephyr]

a show about the origin/creation of rome
dramatized

they found that most shows like that were in english - british english to be exact - and they didn't want it, but italian felt wrong too (show is from italy), so everything is latin

means no improv, but it's soooo good

and now I'll stop talking about it since this is hades discussion not general oop

[unborn remnant]

It's all good

sounds interesting

and I guess it makes sense given its based on rome

mustve been a pain to learn for the actors though

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[shy tartan]

@fading meteor hiiiiiiii!!!

[fading meteor]

Ay

[shy tartan]

i see we meet again

[cyan sage]

does piercing wave work for dash attacks or just normal attacks

[proven brook]

I can't get Good Riddance out of my head. 😔

It's so lovely.

[half zephyr]

For me it's In The Blood

[grand crystal]

i like lament of orpheus the most tbh

[quiet canopy]

how can i max my relationship with an hero

one heart left on ares but i can't

[unborn remnant]

In the Blood goated

[grand crystal]

oh the locked heart??

[brisk trail]

Mm

[grand crystal]

is that what you mean ares??

[quiet canopy]

yes

[grand crystal]

thats tied to filling out his prophecy and just talking to him a lot if im not mistaken

something that just takes time

[indigo ginkgo]

I love how hades really changed

after run 10

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

I got the scene with him pulling zagreus aside to explain how mom got there

[unborn remnant]

hes just trying his best

[indigo ginkgo]

and that's exactly what he should've been doing from day 1

better late than never

also I FINALLY got nyx to give me the quest

so it wasn't bugged

thank god

still word of advice

if somebody around the house has a quest

take it before you sneak into dad's room

otherwise it will get shuffled for new dialogue

[half zephyr]

do you feel the same about Zeus' line now?

[indigo ginkgo]

his advice is still good

even tho he's a moron

[half zephyr]

knowing he's comforting the mother of the daughter he kidnapped

so he's well aware of where that daughter has been all along

[indigo ginkgo]

I can't tell if he feels genuine remorse

he's so self-absorbed

[grand crystal]

truuueeee

[half zephyr]

Zeus cares about Zeus

[grand crystal]

zeus do be like that

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah

all the characters are so well written honestly

[half zephyr]

the one you should feel for is the one trapped in marriage with him

[indigo ginkgo]

oh god

[half zephyr]

The goddess of marriage & family

married forever to a guy that can't stop cheating

[stiff trellis]

Yeah f

[indigo ginkgo]

and he had the audacity to call nyx a concubine

I guess all he knows in his life are concubines

so he can't tell the difference

[grand crystal]

i actually felt uncomfortable when he said that tbh

[stiff trellis]

Btw can I just say that On The Coast is a phenomenal piece

[indigo ginkgo]

you know what it feels like?

when older generations say like transphobic stuff

it's so much to unpack

[half zephyr]

I didn't, but I'm deep into costume c-drama so concubines be everywhere

[stiff trellis]

Might be my favourite piece in the soundtrack

[half zephyr]

you get used to it after a while ¯_(ツ)_/¯

in fiction

and history

[indigo ginkgo]

what olympian gods did y'all befriend first?

[half zephyr]

Than

[stiff trellis]

To be fair when you remember thst Zeus' primary directive involves being horny on main and letting others deal with the consequences

[grand crystal]

lol

[half zephyr]

well he's not olympian

[stiff trellis]

It makes sense coming from that idiot

[half zephyr]

of the olympians..

Ares by accident I think

[stiff trellis]

Artemis

I relate to her a lot

[indigo ginkgo]

also not nectar 1 I mean like

nectar 6

[grand crystal]

i honestly dont remember, it was a while ago

i just dumped my 30 nectar into any god i saw

[half zephyr]

yes, I'm talking full hearts after the lock

Ares on accident

[indigo ginkgo]

I went for hermes first because he's so cute and hot

[stiff trellis]

Oh! For max, i think it was hermes

[half zephyr]

I just handed it out to the ones I saw

[stiff trellis]

Hermes is just a good boye

[grand crystal]

yk i think i went athena???? but it wasnt for a reason

just she showed up a lot

[half zephyr]

I avoided hermes a while

[indigo ginkgo]

I saved most of my nectar for people in the underworld

[half zephyr]

still do on some runs

[grand crystal]

same

[half zephyr]

he just doesn't have boons for me that I want that often

[indigo ginkgo]

hermes was the only exception

[grand crystal]

i didnt start getting olympian stuff up until i was satisfied with underworld

[unborn remnant]

Mine was Athena

just the way it worked out

[half zephyr]

I saved up so I always had for ❗

[unborn remnant]

Do you have to romance everyone to max the Aphrodite bond?

[charred pike]

Is there a way to check how much damage you did in a row

[half zephyr]

don't think so?

not sure how you get max aphro tbh XD

[indigo ginkgo]

wdym in a row?

if you keep attacking it will add up

[stiff trellis]

Also

Extreme measures 4 might be my favourite thing rn

Legitimately turns that fight into the most fun boss in the game

[grand crystal]

yea em4 is fun i just dont have the audacity to always run it

[half zephyr]

I love theseus em3

[unborn remnant]

Its so difficult

[half zephyr]

just his laugh

so crazy

[stiff trellis]

Theseus in EM3 is so funny

[unborn remnant]

eh

[stiff trellis]

It's still painful yes

[unborn remnant]

i think its funnier when you can one shot him with aphro call

[stiff trellis]

But his like

[unborn remnant]

THATS content

[stiff trellis]

Cry of anguish when you break the chariot is always great

[indigo ginkgo]

I should get EM4 soon

I have 14 wins

and 8 are on my current winstreak

I have more wins on a winstreak right now than I have outisde of it

[half zephyr]

Theseus in general is just hilarious

his va is amazing

[indigo ginkgo]

I feel bad for asterius

[half zephyr]

Asterius is the fed up babysitter

[indigo ginkgo]

what does asterius see in him

[half zephyr]

Theseus saved Asterius

from Erebus

[indigo ginkgo]

well he's not in debt now

to be his babysitter

[grand crystal]

yea asterius sees it more as an obligation

[half zephyr]

mhmm, that's why I call him a babysitter

esp in em3

[grand crystal]

like they are friends, but mostly through obligation

[indigo ginkgo]

poor bull man

he deserves better

let us take asterius to see the surface once

[half zephyr]

that wouldn't be good for him

dead beings should really stay in the realm of the dead

[indigo ginkgo]

charon can take him back

I'm not saying set him free

just visit

[half zephyr]

that would almost be crueler though

to show glimpses of something he can never again have

[indigo ginkgo]

depends on how he feels about it

he said he never saw it

[half zephyr]

then I say it's better to not know

[indigo ginkgo]

if we could offer like "hey wanna see it for a little time"

[half zephyr]

you can imagine then

[indigo ginkgo]

would be his choice

[half zephyr]

would be Hades' if we're being really honest here

[grand crystal]

yeaaa

and i doubt hades would allow it

maybe persephone tho :3

she is the queen after all

and the only one hades is soft for

[indigo ginkgo]

LMAO we'd have to sneak a contract under his nose

[half zephyr]

but the gods don't care about Asterius

[indigo ginkgo]

like with orpheus

[half zephyr]

he's classified as a monster after all

they might want him back in erebus

[indigo ginkgo]

btw the one line I don't like from thanatos

is when he says zagreus made the choice for them

for orpheus and eurydice

[grand crystal]

i-i havent gotten that line

[half zephyr]

well, we do keep on pushing them together

[grand crystal]

wut

[indigo ginkgo]

I thought the game was very considerate about not starting any plans before eurydice actually wanted it

[half zephyr]

Zag loves to matchmake

[indigo ginkgo]

in my experience eurydice initiated things too

[grand crystal]

like i see it as zag was the messenger tbh

[indigo ginkgo]

she has a line about "can't you do something about it royal majesty"

[grand crystal]

like it was all eury and orphy, but zag is what helped

[indigo ginkgo]

the only sitting duck for me was orpheus

[half zephyr]

he is the one that kept bringing eurydice up around orpheus though & vice versa

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah and I like to believe had eurydice stayed mad

he wouldn't have done any of it

[half zephyr]

I like to think he's a prince who's used to getting things his way most of the time, except when it comes to dad

[indigo ginkgo]

this game does a fairly decent job at given female characters agency despite you moving most things along as zagreus

[half zephyr]

doesn't mean he's not a nice guy or has good intentions

[indigo ginkgo]

eurydice and mom are great examples

[half zephyr]

but he is used to being in a position of power

[unborn remnant]

we doing good yall?

[half zephyr]

he rebels partly cuz dad fired him

[unborn remnant]

:)

[indigo ginkgo]

zagreus seems to me like he has great social skills

[half zephyr]

he has been raised as a prince

[indigo ginkgo]

enough to perceive the power relations going on

[half zephyr]

diplomacy is a part of that

yes, that's part of being raised royalty

[unborn remnant]

That'll do it

[half zephyr]

doesn't matter if you're not born with it - by the time you're grown you'll know it

cuz that's how it is to be a royal

[unborn remnant]

I am not a royal

Royaln't

🗿

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

you wouldn't know it based on hades

last thing he wants to do is diplomacy with his child

[unborn remnant]

i think everyone just likes zag

[half zephyr]

he was taught by Nyx

[unborn remnant]

except for like, theseus

and meg and hades, kinda

and alecto

[indigo ginkgo]

theseus doesn't even know zagreus after all this time

[half zephyr]

Theseus doesn't even know Asterius after all this time

[indigo ginkgo]

he just talks and never listens

[half zephyr]

how would he know Zagreus

[unborn remnant]

thats sad

free asterius

[indigo ginkgo]

F

[half zephyr]

I wanna hug theseus

hold him tight

give him a pat on the head

[stiff trellis]

I want to get his autograph

[unborn remnant]

Are you a Theseus fan?

[half zephyr]

and ask who hurt him, what's wrong, what can I do to help?

[stiff trellis]

Not because I want it but because I want him to feel like its wanted

[unborn remnant]

I am not a fan of him

[indigo ginkgo]

asterius never fails to impress me with his fabulous hair

[half zephyr]

he's hilarious

[indigo ginkgo]

he's funny

[ancient crystal]

I want his autograph just to make Hypnos happy

[indigo ginkgo]

I like listening to his lines as a character

[stiff trellis]

Theseus is doing his best

[half zephyr]

and I can just imagine his reaction to being hugged by the blackguard daemon liar

[indigo ginkgo]

definitely not as a person

lol

[half zephyr]

he's like an angry kitten ok

[unborn remnant]

thats fair

hes obnoxious to the point where its funny

[indigo ginkgo]

like zagreus is not laughing

[half zephyr]

I can't help but want to poke him

[unborn remnant]

beating him with Bouldy is VERY funny

he just crushes him

[indigo ginkgo]

we get to laugh as players

[half zephyr]

theseus starts out really annoying, but then as time goes on he grows on you & then you get to em3 & it's just hilarity

[stiff trellis]

Ohh I need to try that

[unborn remnant]

he descends into pure chaos

[indigo ginkgo]

y'all reminded me tho I haven't seen hypnos in the house in a while

[stiff trellis]

EM3 is when theseus' role as a comedian really shines

He's sleepin, let him be

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[half zephyr]

his laugh!

and the fact that he stops in front of the crowd to pose in his chariot

[unborn remnant]

does he really?

[half zephyr]

yes

[unborn remnant]

thats just bm

[half zephyr]

he'll just speed up, then stop facing the crowd

and then it's back to driving around

[unborn remnant]

hes well written

You want to beat him

[stiff trellis]

His laugh when he fires the guns

Kills me

[half zephyr]

YES

[stiff trellis]

It's so good

[indigo ginkgo]

also achiles has been missing too

[half zephyr]

get used to people moving around

[indigo ginkgo]

and I dodged patroclus last run because I was full of HP/DD

[half zephyr]

sad

patrochilles

[wind oar]

Hullo

[indigo ginkgo]

it's always interesting when they go missing long

like when meg shows up twice in a row it's weird

and when achilles goes missing for 3 runs it's also weird

[half zephyr]

heheh

[indigo ginkgo]

also why did zagreus have to say he has feelings for her if I new that I wouldn't have raised her to 6 hearts

I just wanted to be friends

[half zephyr]

zeus shield w zeus special + support fire is fun

[half zephyr]

they used to date before the game started

[wind oar]

Ya didn't wanna get freaky

[half zephyr]

you can reject her later on if you don't wanna date her again

[indigo ginkgo]

oh that helps

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

nice

[half zephyr]

she's very sweet towards you though

[grand crystal]

i chose to date meg again out of boredom and i was up at 3am

[indigo ginkgo]

I want to reject her 100%

[wind oar]

Damn

[half zephyr]

I'm dating her & Than

[unborn remnant]

I like how in a game full of well written characters people really like the rock

[grand crystal]

yeaaaa i really like it tbh, much more of a contrast

[indigo ginkgo]

I've been with thanatos already and I don't feel the poly vibes

[wind oar]

When can I date Hypnos

[grand crystal]

me too lol

[half zephyr]

I'm all for the poly vibes in greek mythology

[indigo ginkgo]

LMAO that's fair

not my vibes tho

[half zephyr]

alas, he's in love with sleep & having an affair with his lists

[indigo ginkgo]

hypnos is too oblivious

[grand crystal]

and he has a wife already

like in mythos he has a wife

[half zephyr]

like that has ever stopped any of the gods

except Hera, but she can't

[indigo ginkgo]

zagreus could try flirting with hypnos and he'd not catch anything

[half zephyr]

Aphrodite is married to Hephaistos but her usual lover is Ares

[unborn remnant]

i didnt know that

[half zephyr]

they'll mention it in the game at some point, but it's from the actual myths

she was forcibly married to hephaistos by zeus

[grand crystal]

yea wasnt it cuz he felt bad for Hephaestus since he was ugly or smth and gave him aphro

[half zephyr]

in some yes

in others it's cuz he hoped it would stop everyone fighting over aphrodite

[indigo ginkgo]

zeus has a bad habit of giving away what isn't his

[half zephyr]

aah

but he is the king of the gods

in his eyes, they all belong to him as his subjects

[indigo ginkgo]

💀

[crude pasture]

You said WHAT

[grand shale]

GUYS

[unborn remnant]

greek myth fans probably popped off when this game dropped

[grand shale]

I FINALLY FOUND THE CLIP WHERE I BEAT ASTERIUS IN HIS SOLO FIGHT AND GOT HIM TO WALK THROUGH THE WALL

WHERE CAN I POST IT

[crude pasture]

#self-promotion, probably

[grand shale]

hm ight meet me there

[unborn remnant]

And I mean, didnt Zeus create half of them

Or help

cause yknow, offspring?

[half zephyr]

he's related to a bunch yes

his wife is his sister

[crude pasture]

Good ol' Greek mythology

[half zephyr]

athena was made from his head - that's why she never had a mom

apollo-ares-hermes are his kids (though hermes can depend on myths)

[grand crystal]

athena was essentially a migraine i think and thats kinda funny

[half zephyr]

hephaistos

[grand crystal]

i like the thought of the smart was leaving his head

and made athena

so zeus dumb now

[half zephyr]

why do think he is like he is

[cerulean ferry]

Lmao

[crude pasture]

Changing subjects, I feel like the exact opposite would happen, since Hypnos incorrectly accuses Meg of flirting with him at one point

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah that's my point

[crude pasture]

So we're implying that wisdom is a headache?

[indigo ginkgo]

he'd get it wrong both ways

[half zephyr]

dionysus is often his kid

[indigo ginkgo]

for zeus it is

[unborn remnant]

Zeus's? Zeus'?

[crude pasture]

hahahahaha

[grand crystal]

ofc yea

what else do you think philosiphy is

a headache

[crude pasture]

Zeus's is technically correct

[unborn remnant]

TRUE

[half zephyr]

depending on the origin myth aphrodite is his kid too

if she isn't born from the sea/a pearl/redacted

[grand crystal]

yk i kinda wish that hermes actually showed up in person since he is there on his own volition

[indigo ginkgo]

that would be amazing

[half zephyr]

it's not often though that aphrodite is his kid, so that's not the case here

[unborn remnant]

interesting

[crude beacon]

Hello

My first time here

I'm very interested in the game

[unborn remnant]

ngl, I havent learned this much about history since I was in middle school

[grand crystal]

hello and welcome to the server then!!

[crude pasture]

👋

[unborn remnant]

yall are educated

[half zephyr]

you shouldn't be in this channel though

[grand crystal]

its a very good game

[crude beacon]

but I'm not sure if my laptop can run it

[indigo ginkgo]

I didn't even know about demeter before playing this game

[unborn remnant]

i am not

[crude beacon]

how intensive is it?

[half zephyr]

[crude beacon]

I can run minecraft

[grand crystal]

my computer is like 8 years old and can run it at 60

[unborn remnant]

the settings are on steam

[crude beacon]

Ok then that's cool

[crude pasture]

I'm going to be honest, the game's depiction of Demeter is kinda alternate universe-y

[half zephyr]

not really

[crude beacon]

Then it's sold

[half zephyr]

she is the goddess of the seasons/harvest

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah they tell you that

that she used to be about the harvest

[crude pasture]

I meant with all the snow and death and whatnot

[indigo ginkgo]

but now she's ice queen

[half zephyr]

and she did do eternal winter when persephone went missing

[unborn remnant]

I thought ||Persephone|| was the goddess of the seasons?

[grand crystal]

oh yea and @crude beacon we be talking about some general spoilers so you might wanna beware

[half zephyr]

that's canon too

[indigo ginkgo]

verdure

[unborn remnant]

Whats that

[indigo ginkgo]

according to ingame blurb

[grand crystal]

like nothing too major but just be careful

[indigo ginkgo]

vegetables

[unborn remnant]

oh

yeah thats what I meant

[half zephyr]

that happened when persephone went & ate pomegranate seeds & had to stay in the underworld x months out of the year

[crude beacon]

Thanks for the heads up, but I don't mind spoilers

[half zephyr]

demeter then made the winter in retribution

during those months

[crude pasture]

Yeah, but that already happened during the timeline of the game

[unborn remnant]

demeter seems very

whats the word

[grand crystal]

i mean thats how the game ends tho

[unborn remnant]

angry

[crude beacon]

I will probably stay out of the server until I, you know, progress

[grand crystal]

yea makes sense

[unborn remnant]

naturally

[indigo ginkgo]

spiteful

[unborn remnant]

or use #h1-for-new-players

[grand crystal]

but we do have #h1-for-new-players and #h1-builds-and-combat if you haev questions

[crude pasture]

Third base!

[half zephyr]

no, I mean the big winter everywhere from early on is like that - the revenge winter in this game is only around the underworld portal

[unborn remnant]

What? @crude pasture

[indigo ginkgo]

I absolutely love her characterization in this game

the whole ice queen twist on seasons

[half zephyr]

I didn't find it a twist

[unborn remnant]

There wasnt an ice character so it makes sense

[crude beacon]

noted

I will be going in blind

gameplay wise at least

[grand crystal]

ahh ok

[indigo ginkgo]

I mean not in the literary sense

[half zephyr]

I knew going in that persephone would be mom & that demeter was grandma simply cuz I knew hades & persephone were a thing >.<

[grand crystal]

well have fun!

[indigo ginkgo]

they never tried to lead you into thinking she's not ice queen

[crude beacon]

I know the bosses and story stuff

[indigo ginkgo]

but that's also not a commonplace depiction

[unborn remnant]

Is it bad that this was the first time I heard of Persephone

[indigo ginkgo]

and it's still within the established mythos

[unborn remnant]

Am I uncultured

[crude pasture]

Would you be insulted if I said yes?

[half zephyr]

nah, usually she has a cornucopia

[half zephyr]

[indigo ginkgo]

greek mythology doesn't receive much hype in my country

[crude beacon]

charon seems to be my favorite character, of the ones I have seen. It's great to see such a regularly boring character be turned into what he is in this game. Although this game seems to do that for every character.

[indigo ginkgo]

I only ever heard the name persephone somewhere

[half zephyr]

this is making me so much sad

I think we covered this in religion in elementary school

or middle school

[cerulean ferry]

Charon is just.. He fills my heart with joy

[half zephyr]

religion & history

[crude pasture]

Oh, yikes

[indigo ginkgo]

ye we don't have "religion" in school where I live

[halcyon oriole]

European/European-derived academia has a huge focus on greco-roman history

[indigo ginkgo]

and I'm very grateful for that

[unborn remnant]

Blame america

[crude beacon]

His character design is just so incredibly awesome

[half zephyr]

yup

[halcyon oriole]

yeah, I never had a religion class in school, going to public school in the US

[unborn remnant]

America gets US history

[half zephyr]

plus norse where I live

religion class was basically just going over the religions in the world

the differences & how they practice them

[halcyon oriole]

in the US they teach you about American history and its lineage, but leaving out any of the parts that involved people who were too brown I guess

[half zephyr]

and old ones

[indigo ginkgo]

history in schools is always tailored to like national history mostly

[halcyon oriole]

like they gloss over anything middle eastern

[half zephyr]

our history is old

[indigo ginkgo]

we did that in high school geography

[half zephyr]

and very interconnected

[unborn remnant]

Yeah scandi history is ancient

[halcyon oriole]

Egypt and Mesopotamia are mentioned but only in an ancient history context

[crude beacon]

Imagine a norse mythology dlc or new game from supergiant

[unborn remnant]

no offense 🗿

[crude beacon]

that would be incredible

[half zephyr]

fun times

[indigo ginkgo]

what I remember of history is just basically

colonialism

[halcyon oriole]

the thing in Hades with the most implications is that, apparently, some part of Christianity is canon

[half zephyr]

none taken - america is just a rebel teenager

[halcyon oriole]

like, you find Lucifer's laser gun.

[unborn remnant]

TRUE

[indigo ginkgo]

I guess that makes a lot of sense tho

[unborn remnant]

source: american

[halcyon oriole]

is the game explicit about whether it's something Lucifer used in the past or will use in the future?

[indigo ginkgo]

that a colonized country wouldn't care about pre-colonialism history

since our history before then isn't as well recorded

[half zephyr]

arthur is there too

[halcyon oriole]

yeah

although that has fewer implications

[half zephyr]

nono

[unborn remnant]

Europe has some pretty great history though

[halcyon oriole]

involving stuff from a monotheistic religion gets weird. Like, is Jehovah just... another god in this universe, or what

[half zephyr]

arthur was a king - and kings in his time were in touch with god

[unborn remnant]

and architecture

[indigo ginkgo]

notredame

[cerulean ferry]

True

[half zephyr]

man, without egypt there's so much culture & history that would just be gone

[unborn remnant]

Like rome, paris, london, etc

[halcyon oriole]

well yeah, Arthur is treated as holy by the game in some fashion, but no specific god is mentioned or anything like that

but then you've got straight-up Lucifer

[half zephyr]

Luci~

[indigo ginkgo]

france and england have quite a lot of history because of the industrial era

[half zephyr]

is it bad that I imagine that it's Lucifer from Lucifer?

[indigo ginkgo]

tom ellis?

[half zephyr]

mhmm

[indigo ginkgo]

I imagine lucemon

the lucifer digimon

[halcyon oriole]

in a polytheistic setting you can shoehorn in other polytheistic deities if you try hard, but shoehorning in capital-G God is tricky

[unborn remnant]

I never watched it

[half zephyr]

imagine creation

[half zephyr]

it's fun

[unborn remnant]

i dont know any lucifers, maybe the one from Persona

[half zephyr]

great music

I know a few 😄

[indigo ginkgo]

lucifer is quite fun

tongue and cheek

[unborn remnant]

A few what?

[half zephyr]

lucifer the cat, lucifer from lucifer, lucifer from good omens, lucifer from sabrina

lucifer from supernatural I guess

[unborn remnant]

lucifer the cat from like

Cinderella?

[half zephyr]

cinderella

[unborn remnant]

oh duh

[half zephyr]

[unborn remnant]

Im dumb

🗿

[half zephyr]

and now there's lucifer from Hades

[halcyon oriole]

isn't that Lucifer just Lucifer, or does it give him another personality

I guess most things involving Lucifer do though

considering he barely exists in the bible

[unborn remnant]

Lucifer from hades is a gun

[half zephyr]

the morning star

[halcyon oriole]

no, Lucifer from Hades is a dude who used a gun

or will use a gun

one or the other

the game does say he used it when rebelling against his divine father, so I guess it's supposed to be from the past

[half zephyr]

Lucifer or Lucifer then

[indigo ginkgo]

it's fun getting deflect on the bow's special

[half zephyr]

from Lucifer or Supernatural

[indigo ginkgo]

you press Q and the whole screen gets reflected

[halcyon oriole]

what

[halcyon oriole]

I also like it on shield attack, for rushing through projectiles

[unborn remnant]

@half zephyr absolutely random question

why the snake emoji?

[indigo ginkgo]

taylor swift

[half zephyr]

it's the only 2 lucifers I can think of that'd be around guns naturally

huh?

what's taylor got to do with snakes?

[indigo ginkgo]

oh you don't know?

it's old by now

[half zephyr]

I just like snakes & I don't have a phoenix emoji to be "ShadowPhoenix"

[unborn remnant]

oh I see

ShadowSerpent now

thats cool

[half zephyr]

[charred anchor]

what country do u live in?

my friend who got me into the game is israeli and had never heard of any of the characters

[half zephyr]

not that surprising

israel was under rome so if they'd know any gods from around the area they'd be roman

[charred anchor]

yeah, we've been friends for ages but its still a surprise when i mention smn like warrior cats and she has no idea what that is

[unborn remnant]

The US

[charred anchor]

yeah but its not really influenced by greco-roman culture the way the usa is

[half zephyr]

I knows

I has been there

[unborn remnant]

I havent

really wanna go see more of the world some day maybe idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half zephyr]

I've been to the lowest place with the highest taste

[charred anchor]

i guess youve been spared from a percy jackson phase like most americans i know

[unborn remnant]

yep LMAOOO

[half zephyr]

no

[unborn remnant]

those books ruled

[unborn remnant]

Whats that

[half zephyr]

I liked the percy jackson books

[half zephyr]

Burger King at the dead sea

[indigo ginkgo]

💀

[unborn remnant]

oh

[half zephyr]

it's 430m below the surface of the ocean

[unborn remnant]

Never heard of it

[charred anchor]

was it a birthright trip or smn?

[unborn remnant]

oh the dead sea right

duh

[half zephyr]

no I've been to Israel 5 times or so

we have family friends who live there

[charred anchor]

ah ok

[half zephyr]

dead sea is the only sea where everyone floats without trying

and nothing lives

it's mostly salt

[charred anchor]

yeah cuz its got so much salt

[half zephyr]

and you can still drown there

if you somehow flip onto your stomach

[unborn remnant]

Theres so much more of the world to see in Europe

man.

[half zephyr]

well, we do have a tiny bit more history then you

modern history

and a bit ancient

though you have a ton of proper ancient history too

[charred anchor]

i mean yeah if u ignore all the indigenous history (which most people do tbf)

[half zephyr]

just that as america, you're so young

as usa

[charred anchor]

what country r u from?

[half zephyr]

Norway

we have uhm.. what'd it be in english

petroglyph

[indigo ginkgo]

it's hard to not ignore indigenous history sometimes

because it's been erased

[half zephyr]

of a person skiing from 2000 B.C or so

[indigo ginkgo]

like you can look for it but the preservation isn't on the same level I think

[half zephyr]

a lot of it was oral

so as the people died the history died

[charred anchor]

yeah

[half zephyr]

I hope this game gets more people into myths & ancient history

esp in these days when more & more shows are being made about it

[charred anchor]

yeah! i did some research on guan yu bc id never heard of him before

[half zephyr]

nice

why is it that the sack is always in the second chamber when I don't want it to be in the second chamber?

[charred anchor]

also is it possible for the satyr sack to be in the first or last chamber u go into? thats never happened to me

[half zephyr]

no

2nd on

[charred anchor]

makes sense

[indigo ginkgo]

hmmm I know it can be the last

[proven brook]

Oh, it's the second? Shiiii- that makes sense. I'm always skipping the second or leaving it for last.

[half zephyr]

\0/ YES

Sea storm!

with poseidon attack

and jolted

heheheh

[cerulean ferry]

Nice nice

[proven brook]

It's literally random at best, but I'll go to any chamber with Poseidon. LMAO