h1-discussion

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[half zephyr]

splat dmg

[quiet canopy]

still can't decide

[half zephyr]

can't decide

[grand crystal]

itll be like smash

[copper canopy]

Splat dmg stacks with hangover

[grand crystal]

the more ink the more damage

[indigo ginkgo]

you don't need to invest your titan blood right away

I personally save it

[half zephyr]

higher attack the more ambrosia/nectar you carry

[grand crystal]

what i did was unlock all of the aspects first

[half zephyr]

end game aspect

[grand crystal]

so i have my options

[indigo ginkgo]

all I did so far was unlock every aspect for each weapon and put levels on the basic sword

[grand crystal]

lol, just hits them with the drink of the gods at like 1000 psi

[copper canopy]

That would just turn it into the next Mush Badge AA and break the entire game

[half zephyr]

[half zephyr]

[copper canopy]

Glad you knew what I was talking about

[half zephyr]

not really, but I can imagine

[quiet canopy]

for playing in range rifle is better than spear or not ?

[indigo ginkgo]

I prefer spear

[copper canopy]

Oh, it’s from Mario & Luigi

[half zephyr]

rail is better ranged I guess

[half zephyr]

I have a complicated history with the spear myself

[indigo ginkgo]

lol why so

[half zephyr]

I feel like it should be stronger, and then 1 run it was!

and then never again

I'd like it more if there was no spin attack

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah I never use spin attack or special with spear

[half zephyr]

I keep accidentally slipping into it & it breaks my flow

[indigo ginkgo]

just dash poke and cast

[quiet canopy]

i always use special skill on spear

so maybe i should go with normal spear ?

[half zephyr]

see, we can't tell you

[indigo ginkgo]

then you're gonna like the hidden one I think

[half zephyr]

only you can tell you

and ye hidden was made for you then

[quiet canopy]

i didn't really understand what guan yu spear does

[half zephyr]

you start with lower max health

but then spin attack heals you I believe

[unborn remnant]

hello

[half zephyr]

hi

it's dodge fist time

[unborn remnant]

whats occuring here

[half zephyr]

I sorry

[quiet canopy]

sounds like its trash

[half zephyr]

thirst literally skipped bow

[half zephyr]

it's apparantly really strong

[unborn remnant]

its fine lol

[half zephyr]

there's some more stuff but I'm not about to read it all out

or write I guess

[quiet canopy]

what is your main shadow

[indigo ginkgo]

it's strong but the downside is way too harsh at level 1

with upgrades it's a lot more bearable

[half zephyr]

accidental rail, but I prefer fists or shield

rail is the only one I've gone up to 10 heat with tho

[indigo ginkgo]

if I main anything it's trippy shot

[half zephyr]

I am a follower of The Darkness

[indigo ginkgo]

when in doubt just follow the bonus darkness

[half zephyr]

oh ye I forgot I had that one run

didn't use my cast at all

[indigo ginkgo]

F

[half zephyr]

cold fusion truppy shot

but I never got the dio boon for reduced damage inside trippy shot

[indigo ginkgo]

ice wine trippy shot is my version of won run

[half zephyr]

so I just never used it cuz I didn't wanna take dmg from it myself

[indigo ginkgo]

you don't take damage

[half zephyr]

yes you do

[indigo ginkgo]

?

[half zephyr]

if you stand in trippy shot it hurts you

[indigo ginkgo]

no

[grand crystal]

no??

yea it doesnt

[indigo ginkgo]

that boon is about damage incoming from enemies

[half zephyr]

aah

[grand crystal]

i had a stage of just dio hera once

[half zephyr]

needs better wording then

[grand crystal]

hehe so does parting shot

[half zephyr]

it didn't mention foes

just that you take less dmg inside trippy shot

[grand crystal]

i mean it would be cool lore wise to have it be both

since like yall drunk in the aoe

[indigo ginkgo]

it's just a defense up while inside the fog

[half zephyr]

but it doesn't say that

it can be read multiple ways

[indigo ginkgo]

it says while in the festive fog or something

[grand crystal]

then just read it the right way :3

[unborn remnant]

Im doing a run rn thats just going awfully

[half zephyr]

but how was I supposed to do that

[unborn remnant]

Demeter didnt give rare crop (but again)

[half zephyr]

[unborn remnant]

1 dd left

still have EM4 to deal with

ggs

[half zephyr]

uh oh

[grand crystal]

nah youll be fine

what area

[unborn remnant]

might just hard reset

Elyisum

[grand crystal]

yea

patty

[unborn remnant]

Already got

[half zephyr]

hope for patroclus

aha

[grand crystal]

ah

[half zephyr]

then ye

rip

[grand crystal]

kiss then

kiss o styx

[indigo ginkgo]

patroclus the run saver

[unborn remnant]

all hail the funny coin

[grand crystal]

and skelly trinket

[unborn remnant]

well go brrrr

[grand crystal]

you have a pretty big chance

since like damn ive been on no dds before on hades at like half health

[half zephyr]

lyte

[grand crystal]

then i procede to go gamer mode and do him hitless

[half zephyr]

my run is starting out nice

dodge fists - opens on athena

[grand crystal]

hehe dodge run

[unborn remnant]

good good

[grand crystal]

dodge is fun

[mighty swallow]

I'd love to be able to convert gems to darkness, but other than the Shop once in a blue moon, there is no possibility.

[grand crystal]

truuueee

[unborn remnant]

How many clears do yall have

[grand crystal]

id love a specific pool for that

[grand crystal]

like 80 ish

[half zephyr]

not many

[grand crystal]

on a 90ish run file

[unborn remnant]

I think I'm at 90 attempts with 40ish clears

[half zephyr]

I have at least 23

[unborn remnant]

It took me 30 runs just to beat theseus

i felt so demotivated during that process

[grand crystal]

well im both good and bad at the game so my 80 clears isnt that impressive

[unborn remnant]

every run felt meaningless

until I won ofc

[grand crystal]

yeaaa thats how rogue likes get after a certain point

you get stuck on a boss and since its 1 off, its so disheartening

[indigo ginkgo]

aww

that's me playing isaac

god that game is hard for me

[grand crystal]

rogue likes have tought me patience and perseverance

[indigo ginkgo]

I can't get far without actual good setups

[grand crystal]

you just have to get back up and try again

and its so satisfying when you do win

since you know youre getting better

and not like most games where its "you have better stats"

hence why i love the genre

[quiet canopy]

what are gifts doing ?

[grand crystal]

its so fun to play and so gratifying to win

[grand crystal]

wdym

nectars and stuff post trinket??

[quiet canopy]

you came to orb and there is gift thing

[half zephyr]

nectar?

[mighty swallow]

Dialogue progression, and initially, you might get equipment.

[grand crystal]

and later for a select 6 you get smth special :3

[dreamy moth]

partition for hades to have outfits

[half zephyr]

if you're mid run it means you get a nectar as reward

[indigo ginkgo]

you can gift the nectar to the gods

[grand crystal]

yes

weve been asking since early acces

[dreamy moth]

ik

[grand crystal]

we want outfits

[dreamy moth]

yes

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[narrow hemlock]

not possible

[brisk trail]

Dying in Hades is actually really part of the fun cause you lose nothing really

[grand crystal]

:(

[dreamy moth]

why??

[brisk trail]

You actually always gain at least something each run

[grand crystal]

i just love rogue likes

[narrow hemlock]

Hades is a 2D game with no real-time 3D rendering. That means every single frame of Zagreus animation exists as a unique image.

For example, when Zagreus shoots his bow (the standard attack), it's a 104-frame animation rendered at 32 angles. So that's 3,328 frames for that one short animation. We also have two alternate Weapon Aspects (and later will add another), bringing that number up to 9,984 since our Weapon Aspects are 'reskins' of each weapon.

The idea of an alternate 'skin' for Zagreus would mean dramatically compounding these types of large frame counts, having big implications on the game's file size and other technical aspects such as the memory requirement. In other words, if we had 'skins' for Zagreus it would mean having to multiply our entire already-substantial animation set. On top of that we would have to redraw all of Zagreus' character portraits during story scenes. And this would be for just one alternate 'skin'.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425

[indigo ginkgo]

my library is pretty random but the most common thread is rogue-likes

only spelunky twisted my brain so hard that I still haven't got into it

[grand crystal]

damn yea makes sense tho

and tbh you dont realize how much it takes to get good animations until they tell you the frame count and stuff

[narrow hemlock]

every single animation in the game is like that

[grand crystal]

also i love how they mentioned "it meant changing portraits"

[narrow hemlock]

even banners and hp bar

[brisk trail]

I haven't played many roguelikes tbh i just love SSG and isometric view games

[grand crystal]

since some games dont even change portraits

[grand crystal]

yep, they are all very fun

[brisk trail]

Id say Hades is getting me to love roguelikes tho cause it made me buy ROR2

[grand crystal]

and a great camera angle tbh

[indigo ginkgo]

ror2?

[grand crystal]

oh ror2 is very different

[brisk trail]

Risk of rain 2

[indigo ginkgo]

ooh

didn't know that's a rogue like

[quiet canopy]

how many hours play time do you all have ?

[narrow hemlock]

300+

[grand crystal]

^^ probably same

i have a lot

early access and 1.0

[tepid plover]

Outfits are possible, but a lot of work so not likely coming

[dreamy moth]

same

[brisk trail]

Also when i first played Bastion i love how it just so slightly reminded me of Diablo and hoped SSG would make more Diablo-like games so Hades is exactly what i was wishing for

[indigo ginkgo]

it is quite interesting that their engine is actually all 2D

[grand crystal]

yeaaaa 2d engine for models

[brisk trail]

Though I know Hades is vastly different from diablo in many ways

[grand crystal]

and it looks great

[indigo ginkgo]

I really thought hades had actual 3d models just with thick outlines

[brisk trail]

I can't deny part of the appeal is it gives similar feelings though its refreshing its not just a loot lottery machine

[quiet canopy]

in the mirror abilities are changing when you change both effects are online or the only one is ? sorry for bad english xD

[half zephyr]

only 1

have to choose

[indigo ginkgo]

yep only the selected one

[grand crystal]

it does??

its just rendered in 2d

which is very smart actually

[quiet canopy]

they are also personal choices right

[indigo ginkgo]

oh is that so?

[grand crystal]

lets you have good models and not take as much space

[quiet canopy]

there is nothing like better one ?

[undone moat]

how am I at 140 hours already

[grand crystal]

i think so

idk im not a mod

[undone moat]

I think Paige did a 3d model of it but rendered it down frame by frame

for the game

[brisk trail]

It was funny that i got someone to buy Hades by saying "imagine if Diablo was a roguelike but instead of farming for exp and loot you play for the love of trying new builds and enjoying the dialogue"

[undone moat]

binged all noclip documentaries for Hades, it's worth it

[narrow hemlock]

maybe through a mod but it's never going to be an official thing because of the impact it has on work + file size. the link i gave is straight from greg himself, he directly says theres no plans for it

[indigo ginkgo]

well what I meant is I thought what I was looking at could be 3d models being used

dunno at what step of being rendered in 2d that is lost

[brisk trail]

But then i felt kinda bad cause they said No-one they listened to talk about Hades had compared it to Diablo yet and that was all it took to get them to buy the game so I hope i didnt give them a false expectation of Hades

[quiet canopy]

co-op online will be good i think

[grand crystal]

hehe the "several people are typing" is terrifying

[tepid plover]

I think the word impossible was simply wrong, cause isn't impossible just they won't do it

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[quiet canopy]

story for co-op etc

[narrow hemlock]

co-op not planned, as per #hades-faq

[grand crystal]

oh geez co op

[tepid plover]

Yeah they said they designed hades as single player

[grand crystal]

and i also think in world it doesnt make sense

like its exclusivley zags job

[tepid plover]

And is staying that way

[quiet canopy]

same graphics quality game with co op will really good i think

[indigo ginkgo]

and if we get co-op it'll probably have to be don't starve style

like literally a whole different game

[quiet canopy]

idc about story really much

[indigo ginkgo]

for it to work

[narrow hemlock]

i never said impossible. i said it wasnt possible for the game to have alt outfits, which is not false. theres no plans for it, so its not possible to happen. arguing over semantics is silly

[quiet canopy]

+50 critical chance on recovery ? what is recovery?

[grand crystal]

im in debate, all i do is argue semantics 😎

and some ev

[half zephyr]

when you get the spear back

[indigo ginkgo]

calling back the spear after throwing it I think is called recovery

[brisk trail]

I think Pyre would be better for coop but i platinum'd it solo other than the VS mode trophies and felt more than satisfied with it

[half zephyr]

it can hit someone on the way back when you throw

[quiet canopy]

oh ok than great choice for me

[grand crystal]

they tried co op at one point i think and it wasnt what they wanted

[dreamy moth]

the thing is i have everything in hades and the game is just boring now

[indigo ginkgo]

I only did the campaign of pyre and it was amazing

[brisk trail]

Yee youre right i was gonna say that but wasnt sure if i was remembering correctly

[half zephyr]

fresh file?

[grand crystal]

thats how it be

[half zephyr]

speedrun community

[grand crystal]

hehe me

[indigo ginkgo]

well it happens

[half zephyr]

high heat community

monthly challenge

[indigo ginkgo]

sometimes you do everything the game has to offer

[brisk trail]

Pyre had me feeling things

[grand crystal]

or you could be like me and not play for a year

[grand crystal]

i still need to play it

[dreamy moth]

idk i got pyre for free

[brisk trail]

Pyre was one of the most immersive games to me but im a very text driven person

[indigo ginkgo]

pyre is really great for the story

but I was not good at the goal game

[quiet canopy]

can i get exploding spear and +50 chance on recovery spear at same time ?

[dreamy moth]

i seriously have to play pyre

[half zephyr]

this is still supposed to be the heades chat no

[quiet canopy]

i ask cuz there is no recovery at exploding one

[brisk trail]

Like pyre had me feeling like i was really in that buggy

[indigo ginkgo]

like very primitive strategy+mashing

[half zephyr]

not sure, don't think so?

[grand crystal]

if i buy pyre im gonna love basketball

[brisk trail]

I cant remember all the terms

[grand crystal]

pyre is basketball

change my mind

[dreamy moth]

its more of a football

[half zephyr]

this isn't the chat to talk pyre tho

[brisk trail]

Pyre is basketball but cooler cause it go POOOF

[half zephyr]

it's the chat to talk hades

[brisk trail]

when u score

[indigo ginkgo]

lol sure

[grand crystal]

lol yea #pyre

[brisk trail]

Pooop

Ill poop in this chat

[grand crystal]

do it

rn

[dreamy moth]

💩

[grand crystal]

o h

[brisk trail]

When u look in the toilet and ur poop was so hard it looks like

This kills the chat

[half zephyr]

when you doing a dodge run but Hermes won't show up

[grand crystal]

lmao

[brisk trail]

✂️ 🦀

[half zephyr]

well, at least I got Charon to "borrow" from

[tepid plover]

Same, gameplay wise it doesn't have as much content as other roguelikes

Which made me sad, but it was a good journey

[half zephyr]

how

how did I go through all of asphodel with lambent plume and not run into HERMES ONCE

HOW

[stark onyx]

i love how black shawl is a reference to the two sides of the first mirror of night damage

also the plume doesnt guarantee a hermes boon

[grand crystal]

because he hates you now

it happens to me too

[half zephyr]

no, but you tend to see Hermes in asphodel in general

[grand crystal]

i generally see him in elysium tbh

[stark onyx]

thats true :[

[grand crystal]

like maybe 1 in asphodel

[half zephyr]

he wasn't even in the shops

[runic sparrow]

hmm...

[half zephyr]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

2nd dodge run with no dodge bonus from Hermes boons

well, he's here now, maybe he'll give it to me!

ofc not..

[grand crystal]

yea i did one a bit ago

and i didnt get a single good boon from him

and so like it wasnt as good

[half zephyr]

eh, rare side hustle is at least ok

can help in styx

[grand crystal]

but i still got 50 w/plum and fist

i think i got plume to prock on every room >:3

and it wasnt even a maxed plume for half of the run

[unborn remnant]

back

pain run time

[half zephyr]

mhm

MERCIFUL END

YES

I'm not doomed just yet - though dad might be

ok that's cool

an accident on my side caused me to use a dd while than was there

[grand crystal]

oh nice

[grand crystal]

damn

[half zephyr]

and he just cancelled the full animation & went "Wake up"

[grand crystal]

i love the than comments in his room

like if you die he just goes "lets go home"

[quiet canopy]

holy what i didnt know there is more than 3 dash and got +3 dash xD

[grand crystal]

mhm

you can get max of 8

with boons and wep

gilga with heroic dash boon

[half zephyr]

spoiler alert ||there's more then 3 bloodstone too||

[grand crystal]

^^ heheh

unless youre me running stygian soul

cuz i was stuck with 1 ;w;

the whole run

[half zephyr]

I got 5 once

fun times

[grand crystal]

i even had a chunky aphro cast

like everything i needed was online

[half zephyr]

same

[grand crystal]

but i just didnt get casts

[half zephyr]

Hades got hit with so much

at one point there was 9-10 lodged in him

[grand crystal]

i mean like honestly stygian is better but you need arte legendary or smth

[grand crystal]

now imagine pressing special with pos sword and exit wounds

and now i wanna see if i can get a dumb run like that

[half zephyr]

I have yet to use poseidon

cuz I don't see it working for me

[unborn remnant]

how yall doing

[half zephyr]

surviving

got ME, but only basic 10% dodge on hit

[grand crystal]

sleepy and hating school :3

wbu

[unborn remnant]

vibin

out here

[open garnet]

Wut u guys think r the best aspects to the weapons

[unborn remnant]

ok hear me out on this

Hades Fighting Game

[stiff trellis]

I want Skelly to be the final boss

I don't worry about what's the best

[open garnet]

I wna play as skelly

[stiff trellis]

I simply think about which ones are the most fun/have the best meme runs

[open garnet]

Ok then

[heavy hound]

Meme beam

[open garnet]

How can I unlock the 4th aspect of a weapon?

[heavy hound]

Supersoaker

Hunting blades

[open garnet]

The final aspect

[heavy hound]

#h1-story-discussion pinned @open garnet

[half zephyr]

hmmm.. so far..

zag fist, nem sword, chiron bow, eris rail.. can't remember spear since it's been so long & either zeus shield or chaos or zag - I'm fine with all there really

[stiff trellis]

I still need to do supersoaker

I really like the hades spear

Like

[unborn remnant]

Best Aspects IMO: Zag Fist, Poseidon Sword, Hera Bow, Any Shield, Eris Rail, dont use the spear

[stiff trellis]

With the sisyphus keepsake that thing sweeps tartarus

[open garnet]

It a fan of shield but I’ll try the rest, altho my zag bow is maxed

[stiff trellis]

Hades spear is the best boonless run weapon imo

[runic agate]

I. Am. Back. wassssup

[half zephyr]

zag fists make the most fun runs

[stiff trellis]

Zag fists have my fastest time

[half zephyr]

and painful 🤔

[heavy hound]

Zag fists are kinda a meme

[grand crystal]

eyyyoo

[half zephyr]

it hurts when you don't get the extra dodge bonuses

[stiff trellis]

In which I become a dodgetank that never stops moving

[heavy hound]

There are not amazing

[stiff trellis]

Wait

[runic agate]

yeaaaa

[half zephyr]

don't look down on dodge build

[heavy hound]

I don’t

But it’s a meme

Lol

[stiff trellis]

Zag fists dodge build turns you into shadow the hedgehog

[half zephyr]

I didn't know

[runic agate]

going back to playing hades finally

[half zephyr]

I don't do memes

I just found dodging fun

and it was a way to make plume more fun

[stiff trellis]

I recently beat my pb with zag fists

Granted it was by like

[heavy hound]

I do too

[stiff trellis]

Half a minute but

[heavy hound]

But like it’s not great at like higher heats

[stiff trellis]

You wanna make the plume more fun?

[grand crystal]

how much evade do you have??

[heavy hound]

But extremely fun

[stiff trellis]

Aspect of zoom

[open garnet]

I couldn’t find it there.. the unlocking of the 4th aspect of weapons I mean

[heavy hound]

Scroll down a bit

[half zephyr]

it's low down under pinned msgs

[runic agate]

back to being afk lol

[stiff trellis]

You haven't experienced the true potential of zag sword until you are genuinely struggling to control zagreus

[half zephyr]

not much

[grand crystal]

give me a number :3

[unborn remnant]

got bodied by theseus

pain

[stiff trellis]

Got through the final boss while barely ever dashing

[unborn remnant]

:(

[half zephyr]

15 from fists, 21.6 from plume, and then 10% if I'm hit

[grand crystal]

46 isnt bad

[stiff trellis]

And then there's greater evade

[half zephyr]

I've been really unlucky with Hermes, and then most my elysium enemies were shields

[grand crystal]

i had like 15 from fist and like 33 from plume once

so like

its not bad

[unborn remnant]

FINALLY dusa

[half zephyr]

I met Hermes twice this run

TWICE

[unborn remnant]

is she gonna give me the companion

[half zephyr]

and that was with me ignoring a hammer in elysium for him

[stiff trellis]

Oof

[open garnet]

They r the worst

[stiff trellis]

Ngl?

[unborn remnant]

I now have the option to romance the gorgon

[stiff trellis]

I hate the chariots more than the shields

[unborn remnant]

[half zephyr]

chariots easy

shields more time

[stiff trellis]

I tend to have a lot of slow builds

[open garnet]

Shields r dense

[stiff trellis]

And I have awful luck with armoured chariots

[half zephyr]

I had armoured shields w the +15% health pact

[stiff trellis]

Oh noooo

[unborn remnant]

shadow

i cant believe this

the dark thirst is for the bow

again

[half zephyr]

so that's why I'm not getting it

[unborn remnant]

are you kidding me

yeah ig im just yoinking it haha

[stiff trellis]

Any of yall play hades back in early access?

[grand crystal]

i did

[stiff trellis]

What build do you miss the most?

[grand crystal]

i started in like pre chaos update :3

oooo

hmmmm

[stiff trellis]

For me it was the old shotgun hammer with poseidon attack

[grand crystal]

i just kinda miss old arte dash as a whole

[stiff trellis]

Oh god

The crit dash

[grand crystal]

and like arte dash aphro/athena attack

that was crazy

[stiff trellis]

It was

I remember going art dash poseidon attack and basically carrying enemies to a wall

[grand crystal]

nice

[stiff trellis]

With the old shotgun

Because I think the knockback applied with every bullet

[grand crystal]

tbh i never used rail

[stiff trellis]

I only ever used it for shotgun builds back then

[grand crystal]

remember old athena dash??

before it was top tier

[stiff trellis]

Oof

[grand crystal]

dumb titan toppler

[stiff trellis]

Remember the old posiedon dash?

That was something

[grand crystal]

what was that again??

he was one of my not used too often gods

[stiff trellis]

It was pretty much

Same speed as the poseidon call

[grand crystal]

OH YEA

[stiff trellis]

And doesn't go over gaps

[grand crystal]

yea i hated that :3

[stiff trellis]

And this was back when dashing was kinda slow

[grand crystal]

mhm

the really long slow dash

[stiff trellis]

So it was painful

[grand crystal]

and back when we had 3

[stiff trellis]

Yeah I remember that

[grand crystal]

what patch did you start playing in??

[stiff trellis]

I got it the second it released on epic

[grand crystal]

nice

[stiff trellis]

Back when shield had inbuilt deflect

[grand crystal]

wut

[unborn remnant]

bruh

[stiff trellis]

You could survive the timed rooms by sitting in a corner and holding up the shield

That was a thing, yeah

[grand crystal]

i mean you still can

[stiff trellis]

Yeah

But it also killed back then

[grand crystal]

yea but man

thats too much

deflect on the shield

[stiff trellis]

The sword used to do only 10 damage on every attack

[grand crystal]

ewww

[stiff trellis]

The only reason to use the sword was to go into Special

Bow had insane damage numbers if you built right

[grand crystal]

yea i played back when shield was bottom tier and spear was top

[stiff trellis]

But that hasn't

Really changed since then

[grand crystal]

true

tbh not many of the gods got major revamps

[half zephyr]

plume now up to 25.2

[stiff trellis]

Nice

[grand crystal]

nice, what area??

[half zephyr]

styx

[grand crystal]

darn

[half zephyr]

1 chamber left

[stiff trellis]

I like a lot of the gods designs

The only one I don't use often is ares

Because I like hitting enemies a lot

[grand crystal]

who doesnt, and in gameplay they all have a nice niche

yea my go to build used to be ares spear

[stiff trellis]

But I still like doing doom builds every now and then

The main reason I don't use ares is because doom doesn't lend itself more readily to weapons like the other boons do

[grand crystal]

true

[stiff trellis]

Granted, zeus isn't too different but

[half zephyr]

I love doom attack on rail

[grand crystal]

yea it needs more boons to really get somewhere

[half zephyr]

mostly just cuz it stacks so easily that way

[stiff trellis]

I think the main reason is

[grand crystal]

while arte can carry with just a couple

[stiff trellis]

I have awful luck with getting the doom stacking boon

Like the worst luck

[grand crystal]

damn

i get it every so often

but whne im running for it i do

[stiff trellis]

I have got the stacking doom boon like

once

Oh! Also

Can pressure points cause doom to crit?

[grand crystal]

yea

[stiff trellis]

NICE

[grand crystal]

pressure points is all damage has crit now

at least i think so

i could be remembering wrong

[stiff trellis]

I wanna see a massive doom crit just end theseus

[half zephyr]

well

everything has a chance to crit

but so low

[undone moat]

not if you pom that pp

[half zephyr]

final plume - 26.4%

[grand crystal]

and can we all agree that curse of longing is underpowered??

[unborn remnant]

I think doom on rail is kinda weird

[grand crystal]

thats still good!

[unborn remnant]

because of auto aim

does doom stack?

[grand crystal]

you need dire misfortune

[stiff trellis]

Curse of longing?

[half zephyr]

there's a boon that does it

[stiff trellis]

What is it again?

[half zephyr]

stacks up to 10

[grand crystal]

mhm aphro/ares if they are weak doom procks at 50% damage

[stiff trellis]

Ahhh that's it

[half zephyr]

then you have the delayed one

combined

[grand crystal]

impending doom

mhm

[stiff trellis]

I kinda wanna do a chiron bow doom build now

[grand crystal]

very good

[grand crystal]

its soo good

[half zephyr]

and then rail just hitting the same

[grand crystal]

take relentless for the +4 arrows

[stiff trellis]

Yeee

[grand crystal]

i got about 1k per prock of doom

it was great

[stiff trellis]

Yall ever used chiron bow with poseidon attack? It's really funny

[grand crystal]

yeaaa pos on special is just bullying bosses

[stiff trellis]

It's not good

But it's REALLY funny watching enemies just getting yeeted around the room

[grand crystal]

but it is??

[stiff trellis]

It is???

[grand crystal]

i was able to shred

yea

[stiff trellis]

Huh

[tepid plover]

Lambeth plume doesn't increase the chance of seeing hermes

[stiff trellis]

I need to try it again

[grand crystal]

like pos special has great damage and scale

and getting sea storm

thats also really good

[stiff trellis]

I tend to use it for meme builds primarily

[grand crystal]

i got to about 150% with lvl 8 or smth

its pretty good

[stiff trellis]

My favourite poseidon build involves abusing his call tbh

[grand crystal]

hehe his call is so funny

it s great when i kill a boss with it and go flying

[stiff trellis]

Yes

Not so great with EM hydra but

Still fun

I really wanna do a call spam build

[tepid plover]

They are fun

[stiff trellis]

With second wind and the zeus damage buff

[unborn remnant]

is dire misfortune a duo?

[half zephyr]

1.5 mins ish on dad fight

[stiff trellis]

1.5 isn't bad

[half zephyr]

too much deflect

[stiff trellis]

I think I had that on my recent pb too

[half zephyr]

not enough dps

[stiff trellis]

Deflect allows you to get away with so much

[half zephyr]

barely any priviliged status cuz of lack of status

sad run

[grand crystal]

no

[stiff trellis]

I get the exposed boon almost specifically for privileged status

[grand crystal]

its just an ares boon that requires some way to prock doom

[half zephyr]

I never got it as an option this run

yuss

defeats Hades - runs into a wall & dies

[grand crystal]

ebik

[stiff trellis]

Ya did

[grand crystal]

yk i like how the endings make it sound like zag is just an idiot and thats why he keeps dying

and like he isnt thaaat dumb

just a tad

[half zephyr]

a naive bumbling fool

[stiff trellis]

I adore the points of the narrator explaining a dumb way that zag dies

[grand crystal]

a crumble of dumb

[half zephyr]

I got killed by a beetle landing on me earlier today

[stiff trellis]

Mood

[grand crystal]

nice

[stiff trellis]

I mean

[grand crystal]

i got killed by a peel the other day

[half zephyr]

[stiff trellis]

In a game where it is 100% possible to get merced by a tiny rat

[half zephyr]

maaaan

[stiff trellis]

I can believe him dying in a dumb way

[half zephyr]

what does it take to earn daddys approval here?

[grand crystal]

man that rat ruined my 2nd run clear >:(

[half zephyr]

I've killed him 25 times in a row & HE STILL doesn't think I have it in me

[stiff trellis]

The tiny rat is my favourite addition to styx

[half zephyr]

King Vermin

[grand crystal]

yea, i lost to him once after like 50 runs and he was like "haha idiot"

[half zephyr]

[stiff trellis]

Granted it's the one enemy in the styx that I don't hate, so

[grand crystal]

and im like "BrUh YoUvE DiEd The OthEr 50 TimEs

[stiff trellis]

Yeah but you're dead so he gets to laugh

[half zephyr]

[stiff trellis]

Tfw the lord of hell is less lethal to zagreus than a random chariot in the mortal realm

[grand crystal]

i dont like coming out of the pool and hades not being at his desk anymore

[half zephyr]

OMFG

[grand crystal]

it makes me mad

[half zephyr]

GUYS

I'm the best employee this time

[grand crystal]

epic

i havent gotten that yet

[half zephyr]

zag can't believe it

I can't believe it

I didn't know this could happen!

[stiff trellis]

I haven't got it either

[grand crystal]

yk all of the post epilogue stuff between hades and zag i love

its so good

[tepid plover]

Hes not a city boi

[stiff trellis]

I haven't got to epilogue yet

[grand crystal]

but i fresh file i also love the tension

[stiff trellis]

Workin on it though

[grand crystal]

it took me too long

like 70 runs

[stiff trellis]

Yeah

[tepid plover]

Makes you realize hades wasnt really bad like we thought, just a single father trying to do his best to raise you while managing the underworld

I love him

[half zephyr]

I mean

[stiff trellis]

I'm getting back into hades after playing like 5 months of final fantasy xiv

[half zephyr]

he did still verbally abuse zag according to their dialogue

[grand crystal]

yea, he did what he thought was best

[tepid plover]

Hes still the lord of the underworld

Not father of the year

[stiff trellis]

Man's still stinky but by Olympus terms he's GREAT

[half zephyr]

I never thought he was bad tho

[tepid plover]

But after you see everything, you realize he did what he thought was best at the moment

[grand crystal]

there was this one time hades said "boy" and the post convo dialogue was zag saying "zagreus" and hades going"erm-zagreus"

i just loved it

[half zephyr]

mhmm

it was nice

[grand crystal]

it was honestly really weird hearing hades say zagreus for the first time

[half zephyr]

Hades is one of my fave gods so I never could think he was truly bad

[stiff trellis]

He's definitely one of my favourites

[half zephyr]

||tisiphone tho||

[grand crystal]

hades is the only god that knows what a healthy relationship is

[stiff trellis]

Excuse me

[grand crystal]

lol, i dont die to her ever so i never progress her stuff

[half zephyr]

I mean from the actual myths just so that is clear

[crude pasture]

Wha-

[stiff trellis]

I'll have you know that dionysus has a very healthy relationship

[tepid plover]

You dont have to die to her to progress anything

[stiff trellis]

With alcohol

[crude pasture]

I mean, if we're just going off the myths, sure

[grand crystal]

oh, then im just unlucky

[tepid plover]

Just seeing her progress the dialogues

[half zephyr]

I didn't die over & over

just fight her

[grand crystal]

im just not lucky then

after 90 runs

[tepid plover]

I guess

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

she has yet to have different dialogue besides "Muurrder"

not even a reaction from zag

just the one liner

[stiff trellis]

All I know is that I've killed meg 50 times apparently

[tepid plover]

Unless they changed it, which i dont think so, never read anything about it

[half zephyr]

@unborn remnant

[crude pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[stiff trellis]

Maybe extreme measures has an effect on Tis' dialogue?

[tepid plover]

I doubt it

[grand crystal]

i mean i run em2 all the time

so maybe

[tepid plover]

Ohh

Having it on you mean, blocking the stuff

Might be

[grand crystal]

and the times i dont have it on its never tis

[stiff trellis]

Must be poor luck then

[unborn remnant]

👀

[grand crystal]

;w;

[half zephyr]

I had just enough blood to fully upgrade the aspect too

[tepid plover]

Approval process used to block aphro favor so I wouldn't be surprised

[stiff trellis]

I need to fully upgrade some more aspects tbh

[half zephyr]

just give me some time to rest my hand after 7 heat zag fist run

[unborn remnant]

wait

did you get bow?

[half zephyr]

I got bow

[unborn remnant]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[half zephyr]

after break XD

my hand is trembling a little lol

[stiff trellis]

Idk which aspect I wanna do

The only sword aspect I have fully unlocked was zag aspect

[half zephyr]

so many buttons.. so little time

[stiff trellis]

For

REASONS,,,

[grand crystal]

get pos sword

very fun

[stiff trellis]

Ok!

I was stuck on which one to upgrade

So then I did the very smart thing and fully upgraded the 4th spear aspect

[grand crystal]

ewww

gy gross

[stiff trellis]

Only to find out I still don't enjoy it as much as hades aspect

Nothing about that decision was worthwhile

[grand crystal]

but yea pos is great

really lets you abuse exit wounds

[unborn remnant]

:(

[grand crystal]

and the 50% cast buff is just good

[stiff trellis]

I never thought about that

[unborn remnant]

with what aspect?

fists?

[stiff trellis]

Which cast is best for pos sword btw

There's a fair few that just don't stick in people

[grand crystal]

ummmm aphro/arte/athena

[stiff trellis]

But have really nice damage

Ah yeah

Makes sense

[grand crystal]

and aphro sticking is kinda weird but its still good

some people like pos cast but i dont

mirage shot is a must

[stiff trellis]

I like pos cast

It's a nice "please engage in safe social distancing" tool

[half zephyr]

gimme.. 20-30 mins & I'll have relaxed enough & mentally prepared myself for bow

[unborn remnant]

dont push yourself too hard

its only game

[grand crystal]

but game make person go brrrrrr

like i cant tell you how many times i just get stressed or need to mentally sleep after playing something

like dying at poh in hk

that sucks

or like

[stiff trellis]

I would agree if my stupid adhd brain make my playstyle default to "go fast hit fast"

[grand crystal]

being up at 3am playing something luck based

[crude pasture]

Nope, can't relate

whistles

[stiff trellis]

I get that with pvp games

Much less so single player games

[grand crystal]

but like

it hits different being zoned by a king k and your sephiroth in smash

very angering

but anyway thats offtopic

[viscid fern]

What are Skelly's trinkets, as listed on steam achievements?

[stiff trellis]

They're gifts from a wisened mentor

[grand crystal]

he has the tooth at 1st gift and companion rib when you finish his prophecy and give him an ambro

[viscid fern]

I have both

[grand crystal]

oh wait steam achievemnts my b

[stiff trellis]

Meant to aid you in your long and arduous journey

[viscid fern]

Is it just dialogue or do I have to trigger something specific?

[grand crystal]

yea disregard my point, i play on switch

[viscid fern]

I've gotten as far as ||talking about Schelemeus, but only had a couple of conversations about it.||

[narrow hemlock]

they're tied in with ||specific levels of the pact||

[viscid fern]

Wasn't it 8, 16, 32? I've done 13 as my highest.

[stiff trellis]

I haven't gotten too far through the pact tbh

My highest is 10

[narrow hemlock]

thats it

[viscid fern]

I'm guessing 16 is needed then?

And 32 for the other

[stiff trellis]

And I'm an idiot who's decided for himself that I can only progress through 10 heat with EM4 active

[viscid fern]

Or have I just not triggered the conversation for the first reward

[narrow hemlock]

they have to show up in the courtyard first

[viscid fern]

I did EM4 for my first 10 heat as well, super fun

[stiff trellis]

I tried it for mine

Got bodied

[viscid fern]

Skipped a few levels

[stiff trellis]

Looking forward to the next one

[viscid fern]

Anyway, I guess I just gotta wait then

Weird though, I've had 15+ runs since my first 8 heat clear

[stiff trellis]

Is it for one weapon or for all of them?

[viscid fern]

Dang, could be all of them

But I'd like to think it isn't

[stiff trellis]

It would explain why i don't have it yet either

[viscid fern]

Not that doing 8 heat is awful, would rather do that once per weapon than grind up through bounties for each one lol

I'll see if that does anything I guess

[stiff trellis]

It gives me more opportunities to think of meme builds

[viscid fern]

Everything is a meme build if you try hard enough

[crude pasture]

True

[tepid plover]

Or if you dont try hard enough

[stiff trellis]

I think I might have found what is lowkey my favourite boon recently though

It's what let me beat my old pb with fists

[crude pasture]

Or better, anything is a meme build so long as you say it is

[viscid fern]

Imagine if all 6 32 heat clears were required to 100% steam achievements

Merciful Supergiant

[tepid plover]

Facts, I use ap2, so every run is a meme build

Did I say it right?

[crude pasture]

Sure

[narrow hemlock]

as far as i can see you meet the requirements for triggering the dialogue, it just hasnt popped up yet, which is due to how the dialogue system is set up. i would imagine it should pop up soon enough

[stiff trellis]

Rush delivery is so bloody good with the right perks

[viscid fern]

Skelly never even wants to speak to me

No dialogue exclamation mark

[stiff trellis]

rush delivery with drift dash and art dash is amazing

[narrow hemlock]

have you gifted him?

[viscid fern]

Max affinity

[stiff trellis]

The bones have been sated

[narrow hemlock]

hm

[crude pasture]

I think at some point, Skelly basically says "you've already learned everything, so I have nothing else to say to you"

[viscid fern]

Don't recall that happening yet

Do you have to kill him a few times or something? I never really bother lol

Not sure if that triggers dialogue at all

[stiff trellis]

Never hurts

[viscid fern]

Suppose not

[stiff trellis]

Commit violence upon the bones

[crude pasture]

For you, at least

[viscid fern]

I'll start beating the crap out of him

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[half zephyr]

I'll have a bit longer break then
need to eat something too

[stiff trellis]

Let sans underworld get beaten up a few times

[crude pasture]

OH GOD I never made that connection

[viscid fern]

I don't think I wanted to

[crude pasture]

Welp, never looking at Hades the same way again

Thanks Obama

[viscid fern]

Funny skeleton man with bad jokes and equally bad advice

[grand crystal]

well do you wanna have a bad time??

if you ask who his employer is im sure he'll give you one

[stiff trellis]

Ngl if I entered the courtyard and heard megalovania with skelly standing there the amount of adrenaline that entered my blood stream would be fatal

[grand crystal]

it would trigger the fight or flight response sooo fast

[crude pasture]

hahahaha

[stiff trellis]

Tbh it'd be a similar reaction to his smash reveal

[sleek galleon]

yay second run done

[stiff trellis]

Which still kills me to this day

[viscid fern]

april fools easter egg, if you kill skelly too many times he gets EM4 Hades AI and styles on you in the courtyard

[grand crystal]

i wanna hear what darren can do to megalovania for a skelly remix now

[stiff trellis]

Nah they add em5

[crude pasture]

Meglovania

[viscid fern]

Facts

[grand crystal]

and on its own its worth 10 heat

[stiff trellis]

Where you beat hades, walk through the door and skelly is just. There

[viscid fern]

No its worth 22 so you automatically get all his items out of respect

[unborn remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-menacingly-spongebob-standing-there-gif-19452999

[stiff trellis]

||Like you go to watch the sunrise and it's just his head||

[crude pasture]

bahahaha

[grand crystal]

then you just here "boyo" with reverb

[crude pasture]

The true final boss is the friends we made along the way

[viscid fern]

Make it worth 100 heat but because Skelly kills you in the end-game Taken By The Styx sequence, you can never beat him and never have the reward

He is indestructible, after all

[stiff trellis]

Just have one of the "zag dies because of something dumb" narration get replaced with skelly reciting the speech from the beginning of fallout new vegas

[unborn remnant]

or fallout 4

war, war never changes

[crude pasture]

...by Hypnos

[stiff trellis]

Truth is, boyo

Game was rigged from the start

[viscid fern]

^

[half zephyr]

in fact

just have skelly narrate the death stuff

I wanna hear skelly say all those lines

[stiff trellis]

I would be absolutely fine with that

[crude pasture]

I would not

Where's the hug Hypnos button

[half zephyr]

[stiff trellis]

That's a good question

[half zephyr]

I'd rather have pat hypnos on head or smth

or sneak past hypnos

so I don't wake him

he is sleep so let him sleep

[crude pasture]

You can just walk to the far right

[stiff trellis]

Lemme put a blanket on him and tuck him in

[crude pasture]

hahahahaha

[stiff trellis]

Ok so if there was a secret boss

Who's the best character to be one

There is a correct answer already

[crude pasture]

This discussion has basically been comparing Skelly to Sans and geing gay towards Hypnos

Well that answers your question!

[stiff trellis]

I'll give a hint: they have the most menacing portrait art in the game

[crude pasture]

It's Tisiphone isn't it

[half zephyr]

there's menacing portrait art in the game?

[crude pasture]

Ohhhh yes

[stiff trellis]

[half zephyr]

that's not menacing

he smiles at you

[stiff trellis]

That's not the portrait art

[half zephyr]

that's warm, open & friendly

[grand crystal]

omg the than front face??

[half zephyr]

he smiles in the art tho

[viscid fern]

Thanatos frontal stare is more dangerous than any 64 heat run

[grand crystal]

the than front face is cursed but i love him so im fine

[crude pasture]

Bouldy pulls an Owl on you

[half zephyr]

[stiff trellis]

Bouldy is a menace to society

[half zephyr]

I think it's cute

but I'm a sucker for Than so

[keen pasture]

bouldy is cute

[stiff trellis]

Sisyphus isn't the one being punished, bouldy is

[half zephyr]

lol

[keen pasture]

did anyone see the threesome scene?

or hear

[viscid fern]

That portrait haunts my dreams

[stiff trellis]

Sisyphus tried to bust him out and the furies knew he had to be stopped

[half zephyr]

did he not give you the boost you wanted or smth?

[viscid fern]

Same for Meg's grin

[half zephyr]

Meg is a sweetheart

[grand crystal]

ok tbh tho

after romancing meg i get the appeal so much more now

after she stopped being rude

i was like "damn i actually like the convos now"

[viscid fern]

I haven't done that yet and I dont really want to

[half zephyr]

I liked her when she was rude too tho

[heavy hound]

It’s just the smile

The smile

[viscid fern]

But I guess I'd just miss out on dialogue

[crude pasture]

I mean, kind of?

[stiff trellis]

I always liked meg

[grand crystal]

i did it out of boredom and me being up at 3am

[keen pasture]

oh oh masochism entered the chat

[stiff trellis]

Even when she used to have a ludicrous amount of health

[crude pasture]

Meg is the most likeable of the three, obviously

[stiff trellis]

The dialogue with zag was just a lot of fun

[grand crystal]

i think alecto is funny tbh

[half zephyr]

my fave is tisiphone

[keen pasture]

tisiphone is cool

[grand crystal]

tis is very cool

[half zephyr]

she's the best

[crude pasture]

I stand corrected

[stiff trellis]

Tis is doing her best and I support her in her efforts

[viscid fern]

Tisiphone kinda cute with the name bit

She's gaming

[keen pasture]

murderer

[stiff trellis]

Meg is my fav

[half zephyr]

alecto is great too

[stiff trellis]

Because she has some really good dialogue

[half zephyr]

meg is just nicer among them

[stiff trellis]

But I like tis too

[keen pasture]

yep

[stiff trellis]

Alecto is stinky

[indigo ginkgo]

lol

[stiff trellis]

Needs to take a bath

[half zephyr]

but tisiphone is the bestest!!

[keen pasture]

if only tisiphone could talk more, or say happy

[grand crystal]

lmao

[half zephyr]

when she says ||your name|| 

[indigo ginkgo]

tisiphone is just funny after a while

[crude pasture]

Granted, Tisiphone's bullet hell attack is probably the easiest to dodge

[unborn remnant]

tisiphone is my least favorite

[half zephyr]

daw

[stiff trellis]

I also love zag's one liners to the hydra

[crude pasture]

Same lol

[viscid fern]

Meg is also the only one that actually gets development

[stiff trellis]

They are amazing