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Good luck
*5x health
nice
i mean as like
we r 2 people
so its doulbe health
I might recall wrong, but doesn’t EoL one shot during the day?
yeah but there were 5 people so she had 5x health
i think ima try to cheese eol daytime
like take it to 100hp att night time
and kill it
wat
like you dont get terraprisma
wat
Huehue
if you deal any damage at night
i didnt know that
f
does slimy saddle dummy invincibility still work
im definetly not good enuf to kill it
nerp
idk
it used to but i think the patched everything
they patched a lot of things
Oh right you should play Enter the Gungeon if you haven’t.
and eol daytime win
very good game
I unlocked the Finished Gun, which basically entails doing pretty much everything in the game.
IKR
Got me through quaratntine
Ooo nice
then get it, its cool
Purposely putting it off
anyone have any good switch games under $20
i have a spare gift card
but yea i got gunslinger and then stopped playing
Why haha?
no spoilers, don't worry 😉
ummm i heard blue fire is alright
lo-fi ping pong
But that’s when the fun gets better since he’s the best character by far
Oh well, at least you got him, so technically you got the “true ending”
i ran out of stuff to do and it felt like i hit a dead end for the game
||Enter the Swordgeon||
what playing bullet be like
Celeste is amazing
woah blue fire has pretty bad reviews lol
It’s also what happens if you got Gunslinger
You played Ori?
mhm, i couldnt beat chapter 8 tho, then dumb moon chapter
celeste is like my second or third favorite game of all time
Dead Cells, Wizard of Legend, and Gungeon are good roguelikes
oh does it?? how come
i have the first ori and i didnt like it that much so i didnt get the second one
yes, i wanna get dead celss
and we should probably move to off topic
Celeste is in my top 10
Ah fair, I've only played the first one
Gunslinger’s ending implies you ||killed his past, thus preventing the Gungeon from ever being created. It shows a picture of a giant sword-shaped dungeon where the Gungeon used to be too.||
Which makes sense considering the Gunslinger is ||The Lich||
mhm
at what point do tisiphone and alecto show up
is it after beating bone hydra the first time
idk, to me it just sorta happened
wiki says you need to complete megaera a number of times (unspecified) before the others pop up
at minimum 4 wins against meg
iirc
theres dialogue she has with hades that foreshadows their appearance before they actually start showing up
hmm, i just finished the last boss and went to mom and ||she refuses|| me, is the game ends here or should i keep repeating the run till hades leave me pass ?
keep going
dear supergiant, could you pass the suggestion along to your artists' that it would be super cool to do a art podcast talking about their careers and what lead them to you 
keep playing, you still have more story to go through
this
@floral hound sorry that's got a swear so i gotta delete it
I refuse to believe that they are in a couples relationship. Theseus is such an arrogant braggad that I think the only partner he would ever be satisfied with is a mirror
They are merely work buddies, brothers of the battlefield
we can dream tho
Of Theseus being deep and lusty with a mirror??
I'm sure even Dionysus and Aphrodite would look on in horror at the reflection shown back at them, for no amount of ale and mirth could wash away the horrible deep crevices that the mirror in all of its slippery sheen could reveal to their eyes
Ah yes, a lot of meat in that i suppose
Real deep beef you can sink your teeth in to
Not tawny, but juicy and full of flavor, you could say dripping in moistness
....... Steak Staking
Theseus has a lot of insecurity lurking beneath the surface, the arrogance is posturing to make up for that
Speaking of mirrors and Theseus, I think he helped Asterius because what happens in the myth
Like Asterius just has to insinuate that Zag's not so bad and Theseus instantly starts crying
Afterwards, he’d dream he was chasing his mother or father or other loved ones down trying to kill them, and when he saw his reflection, it was that of the bull’s
He's insecure that his only friend is gonna leave him 🥺
Full disclosure: Theseus is just as much of a jerk in his original myth as he is in this game.
Still, that adds depth to the man
He sees himself in the bull
Makes their kindred spirits thing all the more heartwarming
Exactly, nothing wrong with that
🤷 I just like to think that they're smooching. It's ancient Greece
lmao
Zapp: “I just got a great book on tape, it's about life in ancient Greece...”
That’s kind of why I like the fact ||Thanatos|| is a romance option.
It’s not being “progressive”, it’s being accurate
||But ancient Greece or no, that would still be bestiality.||
Erm. Asterius is sapient
He’s still a bullman
He's not an animal though
He’s an anthropomorphic one
Well, he's the Minotaur
Like, if a human had a relationship with Sonic the Hedgehog, that’d still be bestiality despite the sapience.
Sonic 06
But he has higher thought processes and the ability to consent to things?
Animals can't do that
Hold on I have an image for this
Just apply the Harkness Test
same hat
same hat!
Still looking
Oh wait crud
The image was the Harkness Test, so I don’t need to look anymore.
Would you say Asterius passes?
Though this is also important to consider:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/477/200/887.png
lmao
Yes, but since he’s about a 4 on the above image, it’s not bestiality but it is furry.
Ok, yes, if there was an alien species that looked like dogs do on earth and people wanted to be in relationships with them despite their sapience, it would still be extremely wierd and uncomfortable
...
I don't think Asterius is anywhere near toeing that line though
Sometimes in life, you need to take a step back, look at what you’re doing and ask yourself.
Wth are we even discussing
^
”Why am I talking about this?”
I just want to defend Theseus' decision to smooch his boyfriend
if theseus x asterius is bestiality
Also why is everyone posting what I’m about to say before I say it ;;
im just watching this play out
just type faster
Do you want to answer what a rhetorical question is next?
ooh just finished a run with 450 health
Centaur hearts, not even once
PlumFox be like:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/398/853/243.png
yeaaaa

Are you so dumb, you even answer rhetorical questions?
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(No offense, it’s just a reference)
i mean i feel like it hits harder when someone just deadass says that its the discussion topic
Because Asterius is fully sentient, it does not count as bestiality to smooch him
I mean asterius was born from a woman who
wasn't it a statue of a bull???
uh... no
didnt woman do bull thing and poof asterius came out
or smth
Ah, Theseus. Athens' favorite trash man. Let's talk about someone a little more interesting - literally anyone involved in this story will do.
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They glance over it because no one wants to hear about that
Asterius' mother was this lady named Pasiphae who was the wife of king Minos
Regardless of whether or not loving Asterius is bestiality, whatever his mom did definitely was
I think it was Poseidon's punishment for refusing to sacrifice such a majestic bull
yeah
yeaaaa
and Zagreus doesn't get that much dialogue with Asterius because it's only ever conducted before they beat the stuffing out of each other, optionally with Theseus yelling loudly nearby
My favorite dialogue with Asterius is still:
Zagreus: “Are you always challenging me because that’s the only fun thing to do around here?”
Asterius: “...Yeah, pretty much...”
I also love how ||you actually can get Asterius’ autograph for Hypnos||
Theseus was giving me and Asterius the silent treatment for one fight and I felt bad but next time he was feeling better and immediately I wished he would stop talking again /j
I always think Theseus is doing most of what he does for the benefit of the crowd watching the fight
Nah he’s pretty pompous
His insults get a little too personal ;;
Yes I’m a spawn of the lowest depths but do you have to keep phrasing like that? 
that is true, and he doesn't seem to acknowledge the stuff about Zagreus' story ||when they go public with it in the epilogue||
They don't bother me except for when he's like "Who taught you such sloppy technique?" And I'm just like "HEY... you get my dad's name out of your mouth Achilles is ten times the man you are"
(To Theseus)
Zagreus: “Sticks and stones might break my bones...”
Zagreus: (thinking) ”But words will hurt forever...”
You didn’t spoil it fast enough 
aw
Summoning either Thanatos or ||Achilles and Patroclus|| against Theseus is really satisfying
yeah, this isn't the place to not be spoiled about Hades' plot
Theseus' reaction to Thanatos appearing because like... Theseus didn't die in battle, he was thrown off a cliff, he saw Thanatos when he died
for some reason I cant give sysiphus ambrosia
you need to talk to bouldy first
how many times? and does he need a lot of nectar? ive talked to him a lot
Should be only once and I don't think you need to give him nectar
what happens if you choose a boon that will replenish a death defiance if you haven’t used any yet?
i’m assuming nothing but idk
have you done the Knave King's Sentence quest yet
Nothing happens, and you've wasted a boon
what is that?
thanks
you probably need to do that then
oh is that where you pay diamonds
I think he takes Ambrosia before that
its not in the contractor
huh idk then
you need to have dialogue with Meg, Nyx, and Hades about him first I think
maybe Thanatos too?
Ill just keep doing runs and hopefully ill figure it out
You basically need to keep running, talking to Bouldy, talking to Sisyphus, and hope to eventually luck into the chain of dialogues you need to get the contract
speaking of, does Thanatos ever talk about how Sisyphus like basically kidnapped him lmao
That was how Sisyphus cheated death it was essentially like the Grim Reaper comes for you and you push him into your closet and shove a chair under the handle
I mean the personification of Death has been in a lot of mythologies
pretty much since people have been dying I think
not entirely sure where the usual depiction of the Grim Reaper came from
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I mean with the scythe and all
or maybe sgg just borrowed his design from the grim reaper
that's probably it
Been awhile since I watched this vid, but Lindsay Ellis probably has the answer to that
The wiki page has a classical depiction of Thanatos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanatos
In Greek mythology, Thanatos (; Ancient Greek: Θάνατος, pronounced in Ancient Greek: [tʰánatos] "Death", from θνῄσκω thnēskō "(I) die, am dying") was the personification of death. He was a minor figure in Greek mythology, often referred to but rarely appearing in person.
His name is transliterated in Latin as Thanatus, but his equivalent in Roma...
ah, so death was hot then too
He doesn't have a scythe but parts of him was referenced in Than's design like the wings appearing when he teleports and the sword on his belt
I'm pretty sure the sword is referencing that anyway, I was wondering what purpose it served and I saw the picture of that sculpture and was like "ah that makes sense"
other potential purposes I've come up with for the sword Than carries around but never seems to use:
- For the aesthetic, because who wouldn't want a scythe AND a sword
- He used it to spar with Zagreus when he was younger and kept it around
- Some ceremonial purpose
- For people who don't die easily sometimes he needs to get up close and personal
- He uses it to cut his hair
Am I slowly trying to draw the god Zephyrus as if they were in Hades? yes. How long is this taking me? A week
I love the headcannon god designs
so good, so sweet
Im nowhere near as good as those people
Nemesis would be cool especially since she has a Stygius aspect and she's Than, Hypnos, and Charon's sister
ye that'd would be super cool
doesnt than have a sister thats painful death and he's peacful death or smth
like in mythos
not hades
hang on
is this canon
Nah those are just things I came up with
But the personifications of violent death were called the Keres
they were also Nyx's children
does than have a sword?
yeah
never seen it
is there anywhere you can put images here
imgur links
Hi, everyone! I'm looking for a piece of fanart that I've seen
many times before but can't find now :') Could someone help me?
||It is a fanart of Thanatos lowering Zagreus into the Styx with the saying "May your Death be gentle"||
just like google a picture of thantos and look at his hip like directly to the right of his skull belt buckle thing
sword
just realized that the dialogue box covers it when it pops up so that's probably why you didn't see it
oh
yeah that explains it
I think the enemies he kills also have a sword icon above them so
Isn’t it a scythe
I think its a sword?
I don't remember
@hollow kettle who is your favorite god, and why is it poseidon
just a hunch
He's not my favorite I am just a filthy percy jackson kinnie /j
"kinnie"?
Am I going to spend a lot of time in Eurydice's chamber instead of progressing in Asphodel? Yes
Should I? Probably not
Do I care? Not one bit
hell yea
it means like... a character you really vibe with
Well I get that it's great for speedrunning but I never care about that
So I just find it bad 🤷
it's not my favorite
its pretty good
i see, seems like some fandom term
makes me think of "kin" as in offspring
yea i only like eris, and thats only sometimes
Zag rail 
Exagryph is pretty much my favorite weapon
I cant use exagryph well
i dont think any of the weapons are bad or good tbh im just bad at playing with some of them
to use exagryph
point the gun
shoot the gun
use the bombs to clear swarms
I haven't used normal Exagryph in a long time tbh
I mostly use good old Lucy.
The issue is i just find it hard to use the special and cant get used to the complete lack of aoe
i dont play exagryph without eris tho
I dont have any aspects on exagryph
I'm hella happy to be so close with Charon
i just unlocked it and i havent used it yet
Is aspect of hades good?

Depends what you're looking for. IMO Hera is better.
What should I go for for Hera, I know go for Ice Wine but what should I use for attack
So what is the hidden aspect of the sheild?
don’t go for ice wine
ummmmm at that point i would just go for an aphro or athena
for damage
probs aphro for ps
trippy shot is a very good hera build, but ice wine introduces a weird delay
go for scint feast instead
for attack, aphro/arty is ideal
God, using Exagryph against Alecto is hard, she gets to the point where she’s just like constantly barraging you with attacks and if you stand still to be able to shoot at her for too long you get hit constantly
Electricity?
yeah you want zeus for scint feast, but don’t put it on attack
i like crush shot with hera
Put it on special?
yeah special is ideal imo
crush shot is also really good yeah
that’s the build speedrunners use
pick aphro or arte first 1 to appear?
yep
@hollow kettle which aspect?
zagreus
I started a new run so I don't have any yet
its goated
I mean like a whole new save
I may actualy beat the god of the dad this time
you should still use zeus attack on it
I used God Mode my first time because I was Struggling but I'm a little better at the game now so I want to see how long I can go without it
So far I've gotten to Room 37 in like 15 attempts
after that try hell mode
hell mode is fun
i like it
ah
if im remebering correctly its a set 5 heat of hl1, js1, lc1, pl, cp1, and like maybe 1 more im forgetting
no that’s 5 those are correct
epic
God, I died to the Dire Inferno-Bombers so many times my first time and now they're just so easy for me even without godmode, upgraded weapons, and almost maxed out mirror talents
yea after playing early access for forever i decided to run hell mode
and i beat the ||10 runs|| in like 17
felt very cool
I can try that if I ever get tired of winning and want to go back to losing
i mean the only reall annoyance with hell mode is pl and that is still kinda situational
Have you not cleared a run yet?
after playing on hell mode for 77 runs those 5 heat have become such a norm
what exactly is hell mode
you get pact right out of the gate and have a permanent hl1, js1, lc1, pl, cp1 on
pl being personal liability, hell mode exclusive where that "you just lost half of your hp" iframes dont exist
It could be worse, you could be trying to beat Spelunky 2
lol, i havent played spelunky but it looks like fun
and this is why im never trying t
its not nearly as hard as it sounds
like it sucks that cthonic vital only gives 2 at max but besides that
its easy to get used to
witches' circle got me 😒
oof, yea thats annoying without a deflect
It’s fun but also suffering
Man I got to the part of Achilles' codex entry where he's being sad about Patroclus 😔
can we get an f in the chat??
His theme, his dialogue, his entry, Patroclus’ story arc in this game was one of the ones I found myself most invested in.
All I wanted was to see him smile again.
“From Olympus” is a fantastic track.
the entire game is a fantastic track
Well yeah but that goes without saying
i went through a metal kick in middle school and listened to the main music soo much
now i just listen to the vocals
besides good riddance, not a crazy fan of that song
What about ||The Unseen Ones||?
ummm inst that the em4 music??
I predicted that I would see patroclus in one of the "npc safe area" rooms in Elysium and when I finally saw that symbol there I literally gasped
Yes
My favorite is Last Words
i was absolutely both scared and vibin during it
not just because it's Thanatos' theme
that may or may not have something to do with it but otherwise it's just a banger
Thanatos took forever to appear the first time on my file.
and then I died during his encounter
one of the best builds when you're trying to get a clear is athena/poseidon dash, zeus attack, demeter/aphro special
and it took even longer
eris rail
most of my new file wins come from aphro attack bow
i get like twin shot and just kill
I found out about thanatos because I had mostly managed to avoid spoilers but I wanted to make sure I wasn't accidentally romancing Achilles because I didn't want to take him away from Patroclus and I just immediately knew I was gonna love him
than is just my husband at this point
The game will let you know who you can romance before you commit to it
I know that now
He’s everyone’s
I just thought at the time "wait what if the hearts filling up means you're falling in love"
Then it’d be weird with Cerberus
I LOVE CERBERUS, HE BABY
although i never pet him ;w;
yeah I knew that some of them would be weird but just in case
Me too, but not like that
probably why i havent forged bond with him yet
it occurred to me after the scene where he like mistakenly thought Zagreus was trying to woo him and told him his heart belonged to another

I talked to one of my friends about this before but one thing Hades does really well for me is that normally I prefer games where you can customize your own character, but Hades does a really good job of making me love Zagreus
How does one make Charon mad?
yk it sucked when i had to wait for dialogue since like there was a sad one liner from patty and i was like "talk to me dammit"
steal his money
when it shows up in a shop
Like I care about him as a character and not just as a vessel to insert myself into the story
yeaaa, sgg knows whats up
And like even me preferring Thanatos as a love interest isn't really because I'm attracted to him or anything, like I love him because Zagreus loves him and he loves Zagreus and I just think they have the best chemistry (other zagreus ships are totally just as valid though, no hate)
honestly im not a fan of zag x meg
like theres just too much tension and gross horny vibes i just dont enjoy
yea ofc ofc
I’m going to leave because this discussion is something I don’t want to participate in.
thats fair
but yea meg from a design perspective i love but from more of a personal lens i just dont like
I have found the best way to describe the hades ost
It is the doom soundtrack if it was made for acustic guitar
lmao
there is electric in there tho
yea you arent wrong at all
uhh is it possible to not get sack until your last room?
Ye
I have done every path out of choice a couple times
was on pace for a pb too. gah
yeah me too. but it always popped at 2 or 3
very occasionally 4
but this is the first time its 5
crazy
what was the build??
I dont remember
It wasnt a specific build
It was aspect of zeus
And a tonne of boons i just picked up when they sounded like the best option
thats fair
I mean i didnt have a dash or a call
ah yea, dashes are very important, and calls are optional tbh
half of the time i grab them in styx
let me tell you, Artemis' Aid basically fought Hades for me the first time I beat him
Ah i was just unlucky and never got an aid
Full gauge artemis' aid 
So legit question is it possible to actualy fight cerberus?
kinda?? not really
em4 has ||hades use him as a call attack||
so its a sorta not really
but why would you want to??
he's a good boi
Idk i just was wondering
If you just had a chance to not find the saytr sack or something like that
you monster
Have i said i hate theseus?
The question that remains is "who doesn't?"
me
Theseus

theseus is pretty tolerable after a while
My issue is when he summons demeter as an assist and then shreds 2 of your previously full death defies
He sort of redeemed himself after he got into a fight with asterius
But that's it
Other than that, he can eat lead
Does house decor matter at all
No but yes
You want your house to look nice don’t you :)
He's fun
That’s how I get that??? Never mind I’m kicking his butt
i lost 3 death defiance to lernie wtf
Oof
It is only now that realised i should have saved the greek gods as governments/school teachers
Time to scroll
Lounge matter the most for relation purpose
Really?
I got meg without lounge i think
relation as in dusa
the only part of the lounge that matters is for dusa and even then it's like 5 items i think
hmm, kinda spoiler?
Ok
read channel description
you forget the exclamation point
!
there you go!
imagine hades pvp
oops
Charon is quick to forgive thankfully. I got rekt by him my first time that I inadvertently stole from him. I thought I'd get locked out of buying stuff entirely for the rest of the run if I did it again, but I was pleasantly surprised that it was the opposite
Imagine demeter malphon+hermes attack speed boon in pvp...ultimate ora build

How am I supposed to react to someone telling me that they think Meg is unironically the hardest boss in the game
Imagine the duo boons that give bonus damage on enemies that have status curse effects on them in PVP, especially with the Privileged Status perk from Nyx's Mirror of Night that gives 40% bonus damage to enemies with status curse effects. They just melt armor and HP so fast it would be ridiculous.
Are they saying that because Megaera is the only boss they've faced thus far? lol
no
he's foguht every boss in the game
took 30 runs to beat Hades or something along those lines
He thinks Meg is the hardest amongst her sisters as well as the hardest boss in the game period
haha no shame in that, but I strongly disagree. Even all three furies isn't much of a challenge imo.
Your reaction should just be to assume that person is an idiot and ignore anything they say
Took me a few escape attempts to beat her my first time around until I got the hang of things then she just became a practice dummy to me.
He says he always loses a life to her
and I'm sitting here like
"How"
keep in mind
this is Heat 0
he thinks Alecto is the easiest of the sisters
Yikes lol even on heat 16 I didn't have a problem with the furies
I'm so confused how this guy even wakes up every morning
I'm almost convinced he's missing brain cells

He has to be trolling you at that point.
No, I thought so too
then I watched him

He's just that bad
he just sits there and spams charged attack/jab with spear and gets hit
It's impressive
how did he beat hades tho
It's crazy to me that he's using the spear and struggling with Megaera. Sounds like he needs to use his dash and special a lot more
A good ass seed
also he didn't get his 3rd revive until like his 25th run or something
so
yeah

pretty sure if he did the same "sits there and spams charge attack" he'd get crapped on by hades
guy also refuses to read the lore
oh believe me
he does
He managed to beat Hades again but that's cuz he had a stacked Ares Doom Nemesis build
I could see someone beating Hades their first time who just sit there if they get good enough boons by chance or have a good Keepsake
I'm not even joking, the run he first beat Hades in he used Skelly's Tooth as a 3rd revive

Could've just gotten it from the mirror
But nah
and he still almost died
There's no shame in needing to improve, but there is some shame in failing fundamental logic after numerous attempts and knowing the basic layout of the game
I mean
I told you
he sits there and jabs and spams charged attack
sure he dashes every now and then but he gets hit a lot
and I mean
a lot

He just needs the Chiron bow aspect lol. Honestly took me like 5 or 6 attempts to really appreciate how good cast can be and I wasn't dashing enough at first either, but I turned it around quickly
He only likes Spear and Gauntlets

let me see where I can send this...
ughhh why can't I send pictures
doesn't preview
whatever
That image didn't work...
Well Justin you're not wrong
what cast-duo boons are compatible with hidden shield?
apart from the dio cast
i presume athena-zeus duo doesnt work with it?
correct
what about Poseidon-Arty duo
meg is hardest boss what
oh nice i'll give it a shot
clearly that person has not fought ||charon||
Last time I used shield it was Zeus and I just used Zeus + Dionysus boons and forgot I had a weapon after getting their duo
Can't imagine him getting past the first extreme measures battle with the Furies let alone the third or especially the fourth.
Zeus's boons are great with any weapon, same with Ares, Athena and Artemis.
hardly a flex but im proud of myself for beating the EM1-3 bosses on my first try
EM4 though 👀
I actually beat EM 4 on my first try with like 20 hp remaining on my last life

Terrifying experiencing that on my first try
Same here, I died to Hades for the second time after I enacted EM4
I've been playing Hades for 1.5 months and I've gone from loving Athena -> Poseidon -> Zeus. I can't imagine at this point not enjoying Zeus boons
I run Zeus on almost every weapon. The only weapon I don't run with him is Sword, where I'd rather run Ares
i only run zeus on rail & non-hidden fists
Recently tried my first run with Zeus on Zeus Shield and I was like "this is so stupid omg"
I really underrated Poseidon and Aphrodite's boons at first. I stuck with Zeus and Ares mainly until I branched out to fill the Fates' Prophecies
The fact that shield has a "when it hits do more damage" boon is so silly
i tend to stay away from poseidon boons on melee weapons
I dunno if it's my imagination but I'm pretty sure Zeus's lightning bolts melt armor faster than any other boon status curse effect
I used to love Tidal Dash but as I increase my EM I seek it out less
can't we have a meme channel
i love tidal dash on rail/bow though
They're so OP if you get his perks that cause tidal pools to form when you knock enemies into barriers and even moreso with the duo perk where enemies knocked back by water can be electrocuted
Same, but my Rail is the same as a lot of my other runs right now as I hover around 10... Zeus + Dionysus
yeah its a lot of damage
but i find it difficult to manage the enemy's constantly shifting positions
i like a lot in dash builds though
Early on in my runs I did a Tidal Dash Only run and it was fun to succeed that way
Fair enough, I find it to work the most opimally with Malphon's Fists
Where you're constantly moving around too
Tidal Dash taught me to be reckless with my dashes so
what is the best sea storm build tho
For me it was Athena's deflect dash that made me become overly reckless to the point of failing Erebus gates at the start
yea with athena dash just dash into the big flaming chariot rumbling towards you oops
If I achieve anything with this game, I want to achieve a fairly fast run with ||Hidden Aspect|| Rail because it's my favorite... and I assume it's already been done tbh
I would have totally lost my first EM4 if not for Athena Dash because I had no idea what to expect beforehand, but was able to adapt.
great way to feel unstoppable is to get the lightning chain boon with the railgun
you'll feel unstoppable
I like Poseidon Attack on my Aspect of Chaos
(in tartarus)
If you can get it with a Zeus duo boon, Shield can do so much
@opaque socket very that. I think that's why I am so attracted to Zeus boons is the fact that Infinite Rail Zeus is so incredible.
poseidon attack is real good with the bow if you have sniper shot
you dont even need posiedon on your attack, the sea storm triggers on any move that knocks back, including shield bash attack
It's incredibly OP if you get her deflect affect on the dash and cast at the same time, let alone on attack/special too. I highly underrated her boons at first and often overlooked them too. Same with Hermes
athena is one god that you can actually do well if she's the only god you get
Athena is great! but I've def beaten runs without her. but she was part of my first and, so far, only EM4 run
Athena is very helpful at the start but u can beat runs without her with no problem
"oh, that's what ||final boss|| does holy moly"
I'd argue that Ares and Zeus are generally better considering some weapons don't have the same DPS or movement as others
If you cycle through weapons that is
hmm ig ares can be on everything since it's just pure damage
zeus I would argue only works well on fast hitting weapons
I think all weapons have a good spread ability to use for ares
I've beaten low heat runs with Festive Fog + Lightning... which doesn't even matter what weapon you have...
I'm looking forward to more difficult runs
I mean yea obviously cast builds apart
although certain weapons to better at cast builds
Zeus's boons where you get call percentage when you deal damage or get hit, or the one where you have his call are real game changers IMO
I feel like Hades is a little too easy because he stands in one place for so long...
That's moreso Lernie
billowing strength + ares call + T2 blade rift boons + ares legendary is easy shredding
god gauge filling boons and smouldering air maybe
I really wanna like Ares and Aphrodite boons more
I had the most ridiculous build with the boon that is set at one bar of your call, but automatically charges up fast with Zeus's call on top. I can't remember the God/Goddess of the former boon off the top of my head.
I tried to do a mostly-Ares run recently and spectacularly failed (though I didn't put a ton of effort into it)
Ares' doom affect, raw damage multipliers and rift damage are insane as are Aphrodite's raw weapon damage boosts even without the weak affect they're crazy good
That's crazy to me, Ares was one of the keepsakes I could depend on for any weapon to become godlike
I love that this game offers so many unique experiences. I'm like 105 runs into it, and I don't think my Ares keepsake is maxed yet. Be cool if it was, but not yet.
Even the perk where if foes damage you they get doom damage is incredibly efficient at dispatching enemies.
Same, I don't even have any of the four aspects yet nor have I every keepsake, but every escape attempt feels like I'm playing a completely new level
I'm only at 57 escape attempts so far lol
Same... I used God Mode for the main story mode before realizing that wasn't necessary. Now I do a run or two per day to address whatever is left of story...
I used God mode for the length of the story too, because I was legitimately curious if it would go past 90% and I was glad that it capped at 80% because it was already gratuitous so I turned it off
Sea Storm is extremely OP.
Zeus and Poseidon boons have a ton of potential to be OP given the opportunity... and should always be supported when such opportunity is presented
the encounters I've had with sea storm were mediocre at best
what are some good builds for sea storm
For sure, but I will say that one duo boon I had that made Sea Storm pale in comparison as far as DPS goes was Hangover victims of Dionysus's call would take more damage from Aphrodite's attack/special curse effects. It disintegrated armor/health like it was barely there at all
Sea Storm is the same as if you were seaking any other Zeus support IMO.
I think it's the other way around
A lot of Zeus support only makes sense if you started from the beginning of your run
It helps to have Poseidon's boon on two of your attack, special or call at least
Low tolerance makes hangover stack more times to weak enemies
Goes from 5 max to 8 max
@broken depot I legit wanna try that in the future
if i did the math correctly, then aphro-dio duo is more dps than ares-dio duo
ares-dio is easier to keep up though
Probably! I was likely better minmaxxed in my Dionysus/Aphrodite escape attempt. If I had had more of Zeus or Poseidon's abilities when I had Sea Storm the few times I did it may have been immensely more powerful
Most cracked hangover build would probably be dio fists with splitting headache+curse of nausea+low tolerance
yes, one of these aphro dio drops
tbh at this point i wanna support them with like food or whatever
i like dio on hidden bow a lot
You should! That duo boon made me really realize how powerful some combos that don't initially sound powerful could be
its such a perfect combination with aphro on attack
True, I always went with Ares for better weapon damage until I really looked at Aphrodite's damage boost boons that also inflict weak. I didn't appreciate the weak affect enough at first since it didn't deal raw damage, but it can really save you in higher heat runs in the end since you're getting a high DPS rate and your enemies are getting a lower DPS rate
yeah
aphro boons also have the highest % modifier
and weak status effect can transition into important DPS boons like Heart Rend
i once have hades dealing single digit damage with all my reductions
I almost forgot about Heart Rend since I've only had it once, but I remember it dealt insanely high DPS. Her duo boons seem to be generally great.
stares at cold embrace
yeah even just sweet surrender is really great
imo aphrodite is the best god in terms of power
I always spec into dmg over health reduction so he always has dealt considerable dmg to me, but I just know his moveset too well now even on EM4
probably artemis 2nd >.>
I agree, Artemis's crit multipliers are tremendously powerful too
i think crit in general is just very powerful in this game
like they could nerf it by 50% and it'd still be one of the best boons
I always choose her perk that makes any damage you deal have the chance to do critical dmg because it's simply OP
Even if that chance is like 5% most weapons have such high DPS, especially after a couple of Daedalus hammers, that they're extremely likely to crit
I always kinda chuckle when I get the option for a Daedalus hammer chamber versus something like coins or a pomegranate. Of course I'm going to choose the hammer every single time. Who wouldn't?
I know someone who somehow doesn’t like skelly and I feel betrayed
Like if skelly didn’t mind dying I would die for him
I would sell my soul to make him happy...
if you're running a cast build then pom is probably better than hammer
how many hammers can you get max in a run
also there should be some kind of freeplay option for after you've completed the game, that lets you use whatever you want
2
2 normally, 3 if you buy the anvil in Styx.
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there is no real completion of the game really, you can complete the story and achievements but since its a procedurally generated game, each run will always be different
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there are mods that allow you to decide your chamber 1 reward (so for example, you can set a specific hammer to appear in chamber 1 if you want to play with that hammer)
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by completion i meant the credits, no need to be obtuse
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that is nowhere near close to what i meant
they probably mean something like the codex menu
what do you mean by freeplay then?
which is a mod
havent looked at mods in this game shrug
on my way to oneshot skelly
lvl 99 pressure points 
i wanna get all achievements before i get mods tbh
Is it normal that i cant select a song unless i have all the ones before it?
it is not normal
Hm
Maybe im being dumb
On switch version i cant select lament of Orpheus
I only have 3 songs unlocked
Now i can i had to unlock a few more
Yee prob didnt try it
is it me or does the first encounter in elysium have a choice of a daedalus hammer like every single time
it feels like it’s always first or second area
how many boons of one god do you need to get "disciple of ___?" I've gotten up to 8 and not received the title
Don't remember the amount but eight should be enough
You just need the legendary to be one of them
crossover rp is fun
someone said "im gonna go die now" and i had hypnos say "see ya soon!"
bro, I think I just got a complete posideon asphodel
do high heat speedrunners use thick skin or high confidence?
frick I dead
i would assume high confidence since speedrunners are generally good at not getting hit + More Damage Mean Kill Enemies Faster but idk!
High confidence if youre skilled enough/feel safe enough with whatever build youre going for
also if youre going HC, you should go cthonic vitality to keep HC up as much as possible
fighting asterius and he said
"weak."
"you're strong."
back to back, lmao
what does the little infinity icon above your hp bar mean?
Sure takes time to learn the lyre
so if i use the lucky tooth will there be 2 then?
Usually used with LC4
What are you guys’ favorite theme
is aspect of lucifer for exagryph any good for dps
Lucifer is a fun weapon
for lucy, max dps is usually by having zeus or dio on attack
You have to get used to it tho
yeah i agree, it is really fun to use
you need to always be specialling in between reloads and enemy spawns
alright sweet
seems like you have a good enough understanding of how to do it
don't worry, you only need to do it several times to finish the sidequest
How do you best use chaos shield
doom build on special
not really sure what to put on attack, you could try deflect so you can get merciful end
So close ranged chaos shotgun?
its more of a ranged thing really
So I was wondering has anyone asked the devs for a sandbox mode?
I was thinking it might be nice to add a training area where you basically go hog wild and can set every upgrade boon number and type of enemys spawning
in an area that is outside of ranked play
the holodeck if you will
yeah we talked about that
lets you practice without actually doing runs
was it something thats being considered I feel it would definitly help me practice against some things without having to waste time doing an entire run
interesting
my main concern is keeping my save vanilla tho I don't want any training runs to count towards my overal stats ....
at least not untill i manage to beat the game normally than I go to mods for replay
P O T A T O
yes
I dont understand why take people dont take cthonic vitality
what is that
it's so good, and when you're usually taking dark foresight, you aren't getting that much darkness anyways
dark regeneration is good if you're actively seeking out darkness for the mirror
darkness gives more health generaly speeking i would say but vitality is good in styx
once you're at the point where the only thing you need darkness for is badges you might as well take chthonic unless you've already done all bounties and can only collect darkness from bosses
Honestly I just think the game needs full heals before main boss rooms .....
or at least have it as a option
well yes but he does not always have it you dont always have money and he may have boons you need more
There is a fountain right before Hades every time unless you take extra tunnels
And if you really want it to be a full heal take Dionysus and get Strong Drink 
have not encountered that one yet XD
one mod i might consider is the one that gives more choices per boon XD
Attn devteam scroll bars are a thing ...
I do like Dio tho the drunken fists build is fun
no sign of strong drink but I did just get after party
which in some ways is better
satyr dart attacks have clear audio cues
all weapons, including the melee ones, out range the rat poison, you just need to position yourself carefully
ok, Skelly just asked me ||to kill him||
Everyone has their kinks I guess 🤷♂️
but he meant it like....||slay him forever||
But he is already dead and in the underworld you cannot get deader than that ...
well maybe he doesn't know that lol
Just picturing that scene from TF2 but with Skelly Kill Me... Later
I FINALLY BEAT THESEUS AND ASTERIUS!!!!!
||does bouldy have a hidden relationship counter??||
||i gave him a nectar just now and got 1+ heart but hes not in the codex||
Did you kill Theseus first?
Well just watch out for when daddy dearest takes out the belt and whoops yer #$% ||Gets a second health bar and powers up ||
Congrats
I am trying to see if Killing Theseus first will eliminate the boon effects he triggers
or does the AOE still persist as long a one of them is standing
im in the second phase
I have only ever gotten there once
I have never killed Theseus first, haha
doees god mode make the game to easy
I had the sword upgrade that gives you 60% of your max health but heals you each attack
Eventually .... I am using god mode and hades still kills me every time
Not too easy. I recommend using it for a couple runs, then taking it off when you feel comfy.
im using it for hades

I mean, just. In general
God Mode is a good way to get comfy with the game
It's like training wheels
Rusty training wheels that still fail on a regular basis and send you into a gravel pit
Occasionally yes
yeah i onlyh have the one death damage resistance boost
Wait u mean one death defy?
i have stubbprn defiance
hades just turned into the sun
Hide behind the pillars
Stubborn defiance is for ppl who die every chamber lol
thats what im doing
Death defiance is for when u learn how survive all the to bosses
I tend to only use death defies on papa, and if I'm really bad, Theseus
died to hades
WTF HADES WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO HELIOS
Practice makes...better
I escaped over 10 times and still die to hades sometimes
in my opinion the ranged weapons are terrible
Except if I have Athena call, that'd be very rad
All the weapons are good with the right aspect and build imo
I like how everyone who plays this game has so many differing opinions on the weapons
bow really needs Demeter unlocked before its viable
volly with chill and if you have the decay boon is evil
i think spear is the best, followed by sword, then shield, then fists, the bow and rail
Ive had the bow be plenty viable without Demeter
stunlock and drain
Same
I like to hear people's reasons for liking specific weapons
The bow with Zues and Poseidon was good for me kept them at a distance and got lightning strikes everytime shots pushed em back
I dont use them much tho because its hard to get the right boons
No weapon is underpowered/overpowered and I love that, people just have preferences
no he doesn't that whole thing is like an aside little bonus
and if you get the wrong gods your gonna be massively underpowered
i really like the spear because of how fast it is
Rail best because shoot shoot
Fists ftw!!!
I don't like the spear because of startup lag, personally
fists is best because pow pow
I like Hidden but it doesn't seem viable on high heat
fists are fun but not very good
I'm a fan of ||Arthur|| ngl
yeah ||arthur|| is really good
Lost to hades with one of my highest dps build with fists this morning lol
Probably my favourite ||hidden aspect||? not sure tho
Fists are great just challenging
Dio Drunken Fist build = reverse Jackie Chan your a master who makes everyone else drunk
Okay I laughed good job
Give me flurry shot with bow and I'm set
||the best hidden aspect for me is a tie between lucifer and arthur||
Run with only flurry shot
Fair enough
I want to do hidden rail cause it seems to be one of the only ones I don't really Get
*more runs with it I mean
Not a rail fan personally
despite wanting to be as far away from enemies as humanly possible, not a rail fan
Hestia though
I just use Zag cuz I like not reloading
the best hidden aspect for me is beo no questions asked
the ranged weapons always seem like they could be better, but they just arent
I would have liked to see a Aspect of Zeus for the rail to turn it into a railgun lightening empowered AP shot aka $#$# you %$$# your armor and $%#@ the 6 guys standing behind you
??
i want a ranged weapon with good range
there is already an aspect of zeus
yeah but its for the aegis
Unrelated but does anyone know what key Out of Tartarus is in
the spear with the range upgrade has more range than the rail
aspect of hestia
bow
literally just the bow
i cant be bothered because im never gonna use them
Hestia is the rail tho
@craggy barn ||you should probably change ur nickname, beowulf is a spoiler technically||
Also a very useless goddess ..... (weeb reference)
spoilers are allowed in here now
Oh they are? Aight
i mean there's #h1-for-new-players but it's not like they're ever gonna know what it is if i never even put it into context
May I introduce yall to infinite ammo hammer
Ah I just saw the channel desc changed
or rocket/cluster bomb
what about rocket+cluster bomb
I am technically a new player
also goated
but have enough overall gaming experiance to jumop right into build opt XD
ares and dionysus' boons are the best
its personal preference
doom damage is so good
all gods are good
dionysus has that one boon that refills all health at a fountain
Will it blend alcoholic edition
Can someone tell how do I activate this ||Sigil thing||...? Nyx told me to do so..
wait what sigil thing
||i think you got to the thing in the back||
||just go around the room interacting with everything||
I have no idea what to do now 
i think you gotta do another escape attempt and then talk to nyx again
things like that update after every escape attempt
Yeah I know I m on attempt no 90
there's a work order for it
you have to spend like 3000 something darkness on it using the house contractor, yeah
Sry for askin again but does anyone know what key Out of Tartarus is in
bruh i just looked it up and it is a song in hades
called "out of tartarus"
so idk
any tips for em1 furies

