h1-discussion

[coarse spade]

Congrats!

[distant night]

depends on whether you have a build in mind or just want safety or extra moneh

[coarse spade]

Dont really know good builds for it yet

[distant night]

if build: main god's keepsake; safety: cerby collar; money: hypnos pouch

[coarse spade]

I look for Crit Special and extra special shot Hammer mostly

[distant night]

well you can start experimenting, just look through the upgraded codex and start something

hmm then you'd start with artemis

[coarse spade]

Yeah I usually do

Just thought I'd ask around

What others might do :D

[prisma wind]

On bow it's usually an Aphro or Artemis keepsake start for me

[distant night]

or dio or ares are also fun

honestly bow is really versatile, anything (but probably broseidon) really works with it

[coarse spade]

Alright thx

[distant night]

have fun :)

may the gods grant you swift and safe runs

[craggy barn]

ok so, distant memory is genuinely bad don't use it

[coarse spade]

I've played around with it a little and I dont really feel it tbh

Probably too close most of the time dodging and stuff

[craggy barn]

it's also totally useless in styx because of the tiny rooms and such

not large enough for distant memory to even take effect, and on that note sniper shot is terrible

[true flint]

WHATTTT, LITERALLY THE NEXT RUN AFTER MY FIRST WIN WAS ANOTHER WIN

WHAT IS HAPPENING

[granite ether]

congrats

[craggy barn]

good. now use the pact

[true flint]

it’s scary

the vanilla game is already so hard

[floral flame]

I k r

[granite ether]

take things at your own pace :3

some of the pact on its own isn't as scary as you might think

[floral flame]

The || blue heart || is the one I start with

It doesn't feel like you add anything extra

[true flint]

it definitely feels like there’s a lot more to do, but this game takes a lot out of me haha

like i’m more proud of a single clear of hades than i am of my bloodborne all bosses run

[granite ether]

once you add more and more that specific pact gets harder to deal with especially with ||Forced Overtime and/or Benefits Package||

[true flint]

oh oops i didn’t realize there was a victory boasting channel, i hope i’m not clogging main, sorry

[granite ether]

that channel is for posting victory screen screenshots, you're fine

[potent grove]

|| convenience fee || doesn't feel like anything extra in my experience

i actually really like || forced overtime|| and playing without it feels clunky now

[floral flame]

Is that the || 9 minutes per region || one?

[potent grove]

no its the one that makes || the enemies go zoom - they spawn/move and attack faster ||

but i put that one on too and it didn't really make a difference

[lost remnant]

Quick question, how do i get the next heart from hermes? It has a keyhole and i’ve already completed the boon/conversation requirement (i think)

[floral flame]

Oh ok

[dull niche]

i believe you need to max his keepsake and talk to him while holding the maxed keepsake

[granite ether]

||talk to hermes with max levelled plume (hermes keepsake) equipped||

[lost remnant]

Weird, I’ve already talked to him several times with his maxed keepsake

[granite ether]

dialogue RNG most likely

[lost remnant]

rip

Thanks

[open lintel]

Imagine local multiplayer with this

[distant night]

hades: boi- i mean bois- i mean.... how many of you are there

[hexed shore]

If hades is so good why isn't there a hades 2

[dull niche]

[open lintel]

I find Dionysus’s boons kind of terrible

[hexed shore]

Reason?

[distant night]

myth you changed your pfp.

you look gorgeous

[severe smelt]

Dionysis cast with other boons on it can be really good.

[brazen lagoon]

I feel like dio's attack boons aren't as strong as the other olympians, but his support boons are really useful

[distant night]

his health boons are great, his attack boons only work for high stacking attack weapons, thats true but they give over 100 free damage without you doign anything

[plucky brook]

strong drank

[distant night]

not to talk about his call at all 👀 cause thats a beast of its own

positive outlook too

you really dont realize how much 40% of your health actually is until it shines up

[plucky brook]

also dio cast + zeus duo boon is crazy good

[distant night]

but that needs zeus

[plucky brook]

yeah but you're never going into a round saying "okay i'm going to get only dio boons"

:p

[distant night]

not saying zeus is bad, just saying that he is pretty weak for most weapons

like you wont want him on sword, spear, bow

maybe even shield

[dull niche]

you might want him on spear if you have flurry jab

[distant night]

nah

[brazen lagoon]

Zeus is good if you have zag sword

[distant night]

but would you prefer it over artemis/aphro?

[dull niche]

also zeus cast is very good for room clear

and his call is great

[distant night]

yeah but we're talkin about havin dio on cast already, else i fully agree

[brazen lagoon]

Zeus special on ||rama|| 👌👌

[distant night]

zeus cast is beautiful

[distant night]

thanks <3

[raw rose]

hello. How in the world do i unlock weapon aspects?

i have all 6 weapons

[distant night]

go on a run

[raw rose]

oh

[distant night]

when you come back your equipped weapon will have a new effect :)

[brazen lagoon]

whoops sorry abt that

[distant night]

it's ok <3

[granite ether]

well more accurately you can spend blood to make a weapon have a new effect

[distant night]

but else zeus special on any other bow kinda sucks

[brazen lagoon]

i mean id think its pretty ok with chiron

[distant night]

since it doesnt trigger cause of cooldown with chiron

[brazen lagoon]

ah i see

[raw rose]

so what is the most used weapon in the game? all guides on google said bow is the best weapon , or at least most used
but i dont really trust random guides
what do you guys say?

[distant night]

it doesnt trigger on chiron special because of internal cooldown of i think 0.2secs which sucks but it's ok

[granite ether]

yeah, zeus special has a single target internal cooldown

[brazen lagoon]

imagine if it didnt tho

[distant night]

really depends on your playstyle

[brazen lagoon]

would shred everything

[raw rose]

i like not dying , i guess thats my playstile

[distant night]

lol

but still

[raw rose]

i want to progress the story and not die as much xD

[distant night]

do you like close combat, do you dashstrike, do you special alot, whatcha do

[plucky brook]

if you like not dying, may I suggest to you my lord and saviour, the chaos shield

single handled carried me through ||16 heat|| without dying once

[raw rose]

i think i fought the hydra 11 times before beating him finally , and even when i did , i was just lucky

[granite ether]

it's absolutely nuts, when chiron was added into the game their was no cooldown and it's kinda the reason for the single target internal cooldown on thunder flourish @brazen lagoon

[distant night]

thats ok tho

honestly i can really imagine that issue happening, but gg on amir i think with the balancing

[granite ether]

lol, wrong person to reply too oops 😂

[distant night]

it's ok i think we all know that

but also: not beating the game before your 80th attempt is just normal

afterwards you might worry but until then you're so golden

[brazen lagoon]

lol i could imagine what that'd look like

pure chaos

[raw rose]

well it depends , with the sword i spammed my Special because it was good
with the bow i love the fact that i can sit at range and not die... also i dash a lot so i always use athena keepsake to get that dash deflect

[craggy barn]

wait so there was no internal cooldown on thunder effects at some point? yikes

[raw rose]

i guess what i should ask is what is a good build for the bow? what should i look for

[distant night]

OD yes

[raw rose]

i tried explosive arrow on the bow and in the past runs i've always went for that but in lategame it seems to lose a lot of damage...

[distant night]

deflect dash is honestly the best, finally something most people agree

[distant night]

honestly just try around with what generally works for you

this all is pretty personal preference

[raw rose]

i've been trying stuff but i cannot find anything that i could say is OP , or at least is jack of all trades , and doesn't go limp in lategame and become a water pistol

[rigid sand]

true

[distant night]

me saying "yeah aphro attack, dio special" might win me the game twenty times and make you lose at meg's chamber5 times

there is nothing op

it's ballanced

[raw rose]

i guess

[distant night]

nah

it used to be op with pos dash

[rigid sand]

i play with the sword is it not op ?

[raw rose]

is exagryph any good?

[distant night]

now it's just so meh

[rigid sand]

classic sword guy

[distant night]

nah

eris is good but hestia is honestly op once you work it right

[rigid sand]

what is the most fun weapon ingame =

?

[craggy barn]

since you're able to make it past the hydra, you can use the sword and try to get flurry slash from a hammer in tartarus and get cursed slash from another hammer in the next area. it's op and getting swift strike from hermes jsut adds to it

[distant night]

but it's so hard to be good ith it

[distant night]

depends on your playstyle

[raw rose]

will try

[rigid sand]

nice

coop hades when ?

[craggy barn]

probably not

[rigid sand]

[vapid narwhal]

a mod is in the works

pretty early in development though

[rigid sand]

rly ?

[raw rose]

ok another question , for the bow, what attack is good? i've tried Hammer's explosive shot and perfect shot , perfect shot felt like i didnt even pick an upgrade , and explosive shot becomes useless after hydra , it barely has any damage anymore even if i upgrade it

[craggy barn]

also i'd recommend getting heartbreak strike (attack boon from aphrodite) because not only does it make enemies deal less damage you you but it makes you deal a lot more damage, which is really helpful because your base dps will suck

[vapid narwhal]

aphro's boons also have the highest +% damage among all gods

[distant night]

most of the time you would focus on special for the bow

[vapid narwhal]

depends, for zag bow attack is everything

[distant night]

but else just go with what sounds interesting, there is no right or wrong

[distant night]

oh yeah

[craggy barn]

that's chiron, which he probably doesn't have yet

[vapid narwhal]

special is borderline useless and functions only as a duo bait for base bow

[raw rose]

i dont think ive ever seen that one , maybe because i always avoid aphrodite when i see her logo on the door

[distant night]

but even with non-leveled zag you will most likely focus on special

[raw rose]

idk , the "weak" debuffs just seemed useless to me , is it good?

[vapid narwhal]

enemies deal less damage to you

that in a game where you can only take like 10 hits in total

[craggy barn]

you take less damage, what's not to like

[vapid narwhal]

is insanely useful

[raw rose]

really? 9/10 times i end a run and i dont even have an upgrade for the special , it seems so weaak to me

[raw rose]

i dont know i guess i preferred the others for the damage

[craggy barn]

not to mention you can also get another boon that causes weak to be more potent making you take even less damage

[raw rose]

yeah i know that one , i guess that would be a good combo

[granite ether]

aphrodite has the highest +% raw damage increase in the game also

[craggy barn]

not even mentioning the duo boons that make weak even more useful than it already is

[raw rose]

damn really? man i really misjudged aphrodite , im gonna focus on her more

[vapid narwhal]

special on zag bow is not useful in general

[craggy barn]

aphrodite is really helpful and has good potential

[vapid narwhal]

to make it actually useful you;d have to go up close and shotgun it

[craggy barn]

curse of pain or divine flourish are good

[brazen lagoon]

aphro's up there with some of the best olympians

[vapid narwhal]

yeah either use that as a single time utility

or just as duo bait

[weak thorn]

||dem|| special and killing freeze can make the special really good without needing to shotgun it

[craggy barn]

all of the olympians are great in their own way

[distant night]

well the aspect that makes it nice is, it stacks status curses like dio and ares which means if you go up to bosses and hit all your special arrowsinto him you deal insane daamage
and in normal encounters it can hit multiple enemies and if you have a damaging status curse (like hangover or doom again) it will clear rooms all by itself

[brazen lagoon]

some are less great than others tho

[craggy barn]

poseidon is mediocre at first but has lots of upgradability and potential

[distant night]

333h and the only god i truly hate to see is broseidon

[craggy barn]

broseidon is good,,,

[distant night]

i hate knockback so much

[raw rose]

hmm doom on bow's special seems like a good combo but i dont think ive ever seen that one

[craggy barn]

knockback on rail 👀

[raw rose]

maybe because i rarely get ares logo on a door?

why is he so rare btw

[distant night]

i am close combateur, rail sucks imo

[vapid narwhal]

poseidon when you get some setup is insane at add clear

[distant night]

he is probably not your fairy godparent, it's pure rng

[raw rose]

i see

[weak thorn]

ocean's bounty/sunken treasure/hydraulic might are quite nice from him if you don't really want his boons lol

[craggy barn]

you can still get some great duos, like exclusive access or even just huge catch which speaks for itself

[weak thorn]

also his call is quite good

[distant night]

but i have no need for them

[brazen lagoon]

poseidon is great especially in styx

the wall slam damage is immense

[vapid narwhal]

and isnt hard to get by since all the essentials are tier 2

[craggy barn]

oh yeah that wall-slam damage really ramps up in styx

[distant night]

it's ok i still hate his boons the most

[raw rose]

rng is not really on my side , i "Gave Up" 8 times now trying to get deflect dash on the spawn Athena keepsake

[brazen lagoon]

but poseidon really isnt the best in asphodel

[distant night]

it'll never change and thats ok

[raw rose]

is it not random??

[brazen lagoon]

especially if you're using a melee weapon

[distant night]

if you give up your run seed doesnt change

[vapid narwhal]

if you give up your first room is always the same

[raw rose]

REALLY

[vapid narwhal]

down to what you get from it

[distant night]

yeah

[craggy barn]

poseidon isn't great in asphodel but does well in every other area

[distant night]

it goes back to the last savepoint

[vapid narwhal]

so you waste about 3 minutes doing it

[raw rose]

how do you reset tho

[vapid narwhal]

die

[distant night]

you die

[vapid narwhal]

so deal with it

[distant night]

just stand on a trap or lava

[raw rose]

ok will do

[vapid narwhal]

athena is bound to show up again sometime

[craggy barn]

the first room and the room after that is always gonna be the same, but the third room and the ones after that are always different

[distant night]

just be sure to give her nectar

[vapid narwhal]

also you dont need divine dash in Tartarus

[raw rose]

no i want dash , i went like that once and i never got deflect dash , i dont trust my luck at all

[vapid narwhal]

no

[craggy barn]

divine dash isn't really needed if you're using bow

[vapid narwhal]

if you just keep the dash slot empty

and fill the others

[brazen lagoon]

divine dash is more for if you're going for CQC

[distant night]

can be, but you can also get the same exact seed if you react the same as before o.o that happened so often to me it's infuriating hah

[vapid narwhal]

the next time Athena show up she almost certainly will give you dash

the game prioritize boons that fill your 5 basic slots

[craggy barn]

just don't take any other dash boons

[raw rose]

man i got to the hydra and i didnt find any deflect dash , not to mention i barely found athena at all

and i didnt pick any other dash boons

[vapid narwhal]

it's the nature of early game

[craggy barn]

oh yeah, "god pools" are a thing

[vapid narwhal]

deal with it and push on

[craggy barn]

only some gods can appear during a run

[raw rose]

its ok , i just wanted to know how to reset seed

[vapid narwhal]

later you will get the option to curb RNG

[craggy barn]

fated authority/persuasion 😎 🤝

[distant night]

god's keepsakes

dark foresight

[raw rose]

what do the hearts do ? after u gift

[vapid narwhal]

unlocks other affinity options

next stage is usually 5 hearts for most characters

[distant night]

dialogue, bonds, maybe even secret items, extra storylines

[raw rose]

oh the titan bloods things

[distant night]

titan blood things?

[raw rose]

is that not what aspects are?

affinity*

[distant night]

yes but what do those have to do with affinity hearts

aspects are weapon bound

[raw rose]

sorry my bad i read affinity as Aspects

lmao

[vapid narwhal]

aspect is weapon upgrades

[distant night]

it's aight

[vapid narwhal]

affinity is character relationship

[distant night]

^

[raw rose]

wait is that Foes Slain counter for real?

or is it 666 foes slain for everyone?

[granite ether]

it's legit

[raw rose]

really? i killed 666 foes?

[granite ether]

if that's what the counter is telling you, then yes

[raw rose]

what were the chances hahahahahaha

666 foes wtf

[vapid narwhal]

nice number

[brazen lagoon]

i remember getting 69437

[raw rose]

i thought its a joke

[brazen lagoon]

i got pissed at how close i was

[craggy barn]

new goal: get 69420 kills

[distant night]

new goal: have 69420 attempts and only 420 clears

[vapid narwhal]

I'm just a bit over 20K kills

[distant night]

with a streak of 69

[raw rose]

so how do you crit ? i unlocked aspect of zagreus and upgraded it to 10% crit chance but i dont seem to be doing any crits on the dummy in the courtyard

[distant night]

it's a random chance

[vapid narwhal]

it's 10% and RNG

[raw rose]

rng really is not on my side

[distant night]

it just happens

[raw rose]

holy crap

[vapid narwhal]

in the long run it will even out to be ~10%

[raw rose]

what does it look likE? red damage numbers?

[vapid narwhal]

number with a ! and with a big audio cue

[distant night]

nah just larger numbers i believe

[raw rose]

alright

[distant night]

ah yeah the cues

[raw rose]

do attack boons stack? i could swear i had the hammer explosion attack and also athena's deflect attack

[vapid narwhal]

they do

[raw rose]

how many? do the other skills stack too?

[vapid narwhal]

additive

also phrasing is important

+% to attack only means attack (LMB/X)

does not apply to special or cast, vice versa

[raw rose]

i mean the efects

[vapid narwhal]

they are additive

[rigid sand]

is there any build in the skill mirror ?

[vapid narwhal]

if you have one with +17% and another 60%, your total is 77%

[raw rose]

what does that mean ? sorry english not native language
if i have explosive arrow attack , and i get athena's deflect attack , the effects are both present
how many different effects can i have on the attack?

im purely talking about effects not damage percentages

[vapid narwhal]

all of them

[raw rose]

really??

[distant night]

you can only have one attack boon

but you can have multiple hammer effects, some just dont stack

[raw rose]

oh so the hammer upgrades are the ones that stack?

[vapid narwhal]

no limit on how many you can have, but you can only have SO many because you can get other boons that enhance damage

[granite ether]

so sometimes you'll be offered an exchange

[distant night]

stilljust one boon

[vapid narwhal]

you can only have one attack boon, then there are some other effects that also provide + damage

[raw rose]

hmm this is a bit confusing

[vapid narwhal]

these stack

[raw rose]

boon means upgrade from gods

[vapid narwhal]

yes

[raw rose]

hammer is not from gods right?

[vapid narwhal]

yes hammer is separate

[raw rose]

there is no god for the hammer , so its not a boon

alright

[vapid narwhal]

they modify how your weapons work

[raw rose]

got it

so i can have 2-3+ hammers , but only 1 god effect?

i mean boon whatever

and cast,special,dash , they don't have hammer upgrades? only boons?

[vapid narwhal]

2 hammers max

attack, special, cast, dash and call are modified by boons

hammer upgrade modify your weapon behaviour

it's separate

[raw rose]

ok , one more question , urns that have gold have a different texture?

or do i have to destroy all urns to find gold?

[distant night]

yep they are golden

[vapid fox]

I dont know if you remember but I want to thank @distant night here

[raw rose]

alright thanks

[distant night]

huh what did i do?

[coarse spade]

They have different colors not always golden I think

[vapid fox]

help me get this sucker

[coarse spade]

You can tell them apart though

[distant night]

oh hahaha, sure thing

btw you might wanna spoiler that 👀

[raw rose]

after getting all keys , the only use for keys is to trade them , or unlock purple-currency-upgrades ? forgot the name of it

[vapid narwhal]

use them for mirror upgrades

[coarse spade]

Yep

[vapid narwhal]

and you need them for resetting the mirror

[raw rose]

ok

[vapid narwhal]

after that feel free to trade away the extra

[hushed schooner]

no you ned

them

alot for cosmetic stuff

[vapid fox]

no need for cosmetics

[distant night]

btw for ya to understand status curses and especially weak i guess better

[distant night]

https://imgur.com/a/osKAJPq

[vapid fox]

but some good upgrades are buyable with gems

[hushed schooner]

ok but im just saying in the lategame theres a lot of keys

you need for late game cosmetic stuff if you want to save for that beforehand

[distant night]

200 keys for cosmetics alone

[raw rose]

@distant night so hangover can be really useful on bow's Special ? because you can stack it on bosses?

[vapid fox]

ye but what if you can trade in titan blood or diamonds with these gems or keys

[distant night]

exactly

[vapid fox]

thats not a priority?

[hushed schooner]

300

[raw rose]

I saw an Aspect for the bow , it said the Special attack has a homing effect on the last attacked enemy?

[hushed schooner]

yeah i'm not saying don't trade them

[raw rose]

is that a good combo with the hangover special?

[hushed schooner]

just keep them in mind

yes

[raw rose]

to be able to hit all special arrow on the boss?

[hushed schooner]

chiron drunken flourish is a good combo

[raw rose]

hmm i dont know them by name but ill look them up

are those boons?

[hushed schooner]

chrion is the homing special bow

drunken flourish is dio special

[distant night]

chiron: aphro attck; dio special; mirror aspect priviledged status
chefs kiss

[raw rose]

wait im confused as to how aspects work...

am i upgrading boons ?

[distant night]

the mirror

or whatcha mean with aspect

[raw rose]

i thought by upgrading Aspect of Zagreus , i just get permanent +10% crit chance

[distant night]

yes

thats exactly what you get

[hushed schooner]

yes

on that specific aspect

[raw rose]

ok

[distant night]

but i believe only on attack?

[raw rose]

i thought you have to get a boon or something

[distant night]

nono

those aspects are weapon specific, thats their oly drawback

[tropic arrow]

I don’t often get a full crit build that works well

[vapid narwhal]

unlock all weapons, finish a run and then inspect them

you will get a better understanding than letting us explain

[tropic arrow]

Although I really like Artemis

[raw rose]

Privileged Status , says at least two status effects
does that count if its the same status effect stacked twice?

[vapid narwhal]

no has to be two different ones

[tropic arrow]

Crit build just doesn’t work very often

[distant night]

whatcha mean with they dont work?

[raw rose]

i did , i already upgraded bow , i just thought for some reason you need a boon to get those effects

[tropic arrow]

Not getting the key boons

[vapid narwhal]

no you dont

[raw rose]

how do you get two different status effects with this combo ?

[vapid narwhal]

not getting what you want is normal for early game

[distant night]

thats why i said aphro on attack and dio on special; since you will have weak on the homing enemy (through attack) and then stack upon it with hangover

[vapid narwhal]

and the nature of roguelike means you will need to learn to adapt on the fly

[distant night]

it's a guaranteed 40% contantly

[raw rose]

Oh , ffs im so blind ,when you said aphro attack i thought about the aspect of chiron

[vapid fox]

is there a way to tab out AND play at the same time for people with multiple screens? (pc)

the game pauses when not in focus

[tropic arrow]

No, and I think it’s important to keep in mind that you can put 2 status effects on your enemies when you choose your boons. 40% is a lot. You don’t want to miss that.

[raw rose]

can i undo aspect upgrades?

i regret upgrading crit chance xD

[vapid narwhal]

no you cant

[distant night]

nope

[vapid narwhal]

you will get more blood down the line so dont really worry about it

[distant night]

if you havent left the room you can "quit" to go back to the last savefile

[raw rose]

alright

[vapid narwhal]

also some weapons/builds work better with priv, others better with family favorite

[tropic arrow]

Hmmm no I don’t think so, unless you use some special methods

[vapid narwhal]

change your mirror accordingly

[raw rose]

was a bad run any way

[final cove]

Man, I know it's not usually the SGG method, but who would love to see some later on content for Hades as a DLC? I personally would love something like ||new aspects|| influenced by the older games, especially a ||Bullhead Shield aspect.||

[tropic arrow]

Guy literally just got warned for saying “alright”

[raw rose]

who me?

[distant night]

same brother but for now we have to wait out that sgg comes out of their well-deserved break and that they feel that all patches suffice with what was needed

[raw rose]

got censored

[tropic arrow]

Aha.

Makes sense now

[granite ether]

please don't evade the swear filter

[raw rose]

alright

[tropic arrow]

This channel is 100% kids friendly I see

[distant night]

most of the time

just hope the cursed gang doesnt come

[final cove]

Oh, definitely not trying to come off as if Hades isn't great as is, it's a fantastic game and I've had so much fun playing it. I wasn't big on Transistor and Pyre, but I loved Bastion, and it's totally recaptured me like that one did.

[granite ether]

it is mentioned in the #readme-first channel ^_^

in fact it's part of rule 2: Keep it clean

[distant night]

squeaky

you cant still talk about japanese mushrooms

[tropic arrow]

Any recommended Poseidon build that has a focus on knocking back?

[vapid fox]

where can I ask questions that include spoilers

[distant night]

#h1-story-discussion

it's in the name ;3

[acoustic plank]

@tropic arrow Not the best build but Melphon with posi on dash and special is fun

[final cove]

Melphon with Pos on dash? How do you run that without everything getting booped out of fisting range?

[acoustic plank]

Correct.

It's fun, not functional. But you get to pull and push everything

[final cove]

But then how do I beat the Elysium warriors like they owe Don Hades too much money?

[raw rose]

can i openn inventory? i want to read the effecfts of the boons i have equipped

pc

keyboard

[granite ether]

B opens up the boon menu

[raw rose]

damn

if only i knew that 10 hours ago

[tropic arrow]

Should probably play the game with a controller tho

[acoustic plank]

You can set any hotkeys in the esc menu so you don't forget

[raw rose]

why? thats what people told me for dead cells too , and i finished it no problems

[final cove]

Game is so much easier with a controller, yeah.

[granite ether]

it's personal preference

[final cove]

Lots like Bastion in that regard, I suppose.

[raw rose]

im so bad with controllers tho

[tropic arrow]

It’s kind of weird to me that this doesn’t pause the game

[raw rose]

on any game , i play like a monkey

[acoustic plank]

Not everyone has access to a controller, but yeah it's generally easier for most people

[raw rose]

and yeah that also , i dont have a pc controller

[granite ether]

the choice between using kbm and controller is purely personal preference

[final cove]

I'm over here with my switch gamecube controller that has a usb living my best life.

[acoustic plank]

8bitdo has some quallity ones for relatively cheap. I use their snes one for the nostalgia but it works perfectly well.

[vapid narwhal]

KBM is fine

[tropic arrow]

Some games are designed for controllers and are merely compatible with mnk, vice versa

[vapid narwhal]

but I gotta put my a dozen controllers to use somewhere

[raw rose]

i play competitive mobas and fps's , i must say i could never get used to playing with a controller

[vapid narwhal]

also practicing high diff runs with Hestia finally broke the final straw of my aging first gen Elite

so I had to get a series 2

[tropic arrow]

Well I also play competitive FPS. I think it’s a very game specific thing. I can never play any FPS with controller, but for third person games and 2D platformers I find controllers better

[acoustic plank]

With Hades it really is a choice between accuracy of movement and accuracy of aiming. I need a joystick and a mouse tbh.

[raw rose]

i guess not growing up with a console or any sort of controller would do that to me

i only ever used controllers at friends houses

what are the white skulls on door logos?

[craggy barn]

i've literally never held a controller

[raw rose]

sometimes i get to choose between doors with white skulls and doors without them

[tropic arrow]

Harder room

[acoustic plank]

They signify tougher fights @raw rose

[distant night]

same

[raw rose]

should i avoid them?

or is it better rewards too

[tropic arrow]

No, harder room means better rewards

[raw rose]

so not avoid?

[tropic arrow]

Depends, I’d say no in general

[floral flame]

For example, if it gives a key, it gives two instead. I would just go for it

[acoustic plank]

I'd only avoid them if you're low on health or want to avoid a miniboss

[raw rose]

got it

[craggy barn]

do the harder rooms really give better rewards? i've never noticed it besides the keys

[raw rose]

yeah i just got 25 purple-currency-thing instead of 10

[acoustic plank]

The boons tend to be higher rarity but that could be just my personal experience

[tropic arrow]

I think the game only has one mini boss. Rest are elite monsters. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[floral flame]

Which would count as a miniboss for you, then?

[craggy barn]

pretty much all of them in ||styx||, ||giant soul catcher and asterius||, etc

[acoustic plank]

There's a miniboss for every area in the middle of the area, usually. So with enough experience you can get a sense for which room is a miniboss

But you can often avoid them

[floral flame]

There's also a red arrow up to indicate that it's a boss

[raw rose]

i swear athena's hearts just dont go up , i dont know if im missing something but i swear i gave her like 6 gifts and she's still on 4 hearts only

[tropic arrow]

Umm I mean

[craggy barn]

boss rooms are pretty obvious to notice beforehand because there's always a certain room that you'll ALWAYS run into right before the boss

[tropic arrow]

Bosses have this long HP bar above them

And an animation when killed

[raw rose]

they are , i just got 2 epics because it was a white skull room

[tropic arrow]

Only that || tiny rat || has it

So technically that’s the only mini boss

[craggy barn]

but you just said that only "bosses" have these fancy hp bars

[tropic arrow]

Oh wait I think || Charon || also counts

But you can’t kill him

[acoustic plank]

Minibosses are specific designated encounters. ||The two bomb guys, Asterius, the giant rat, the butterfly ball boss, dusa clone + the thwamp guy.||

[distant night]

||charon|| isnt a miniboss, he is a secret boss

[acoustic plank]

^^

[craggy barn]

the concept of a "miniboss" is pretty simple

[distant night]

the middle-boss basically

[tropic arrow]

I mean if these are mini bosses then what is || tiny vermin ||

[craggy barn]

it's like a really tough encounter that isn't actually the "boss"

[acoustic plank]

It's a small version of a boss fight or a large version of a basic enemy

[tropic arrow]

It’s clearly very different from the others

[craggy barn]

by your definition tiny vermin is a boss

[distant night]

he is a secret mini boss

since he needs you to go to a mini boss tunnel

but he's still secret

[tropic arrow]

Huh makes sense

[distant night]

||charon|| doesnt need the miniboss room so it's just a secret boss

[granite ether]

||tiny vermin|| is the boss fight of ||styx||

[floral flame]

I hate that one.

That effing || poison ||

[hexed shore]

He doesn't poison

His friends do

[acoustic plank]

I've been avoiding the miniboss chambers of styx so that makes sense why I haven't seen him.

[floral flame]

Hm

[hexed shore]

Styx mini chambers are the best

You get 200gold and 50 hp and whatnot

Also duos and legendaries

[floral flame]

Isn't it the one standing up, shooting poison darts?

[hexed shore]

Nope

[floral flame]

Oh ok, my bad then

[hexed shore]

That is ||giant satyr or whatever it's called||

[acoustic plank]

Myth I thought your pfp was the among us dudes but in cerberus form, but the ducks are cool too

[floral flame]

Oh right

[noble hinge]

Is it just me or does Than’s theme sound really similar to Lavender Town from Pokémon?

[distant night]

it's a remix from pyre music actually but hmmm

[noble hinge]

Rly?

[distant night]

ye

[noble hinge]

Never played that game so

What’s it like?

[distant night]

pyre is a fantasy basketball visual novel if oyu mean the game itself

[craggy barn]

tiny vermin is lowkey fun to fight

[noble hinge]

Basketball?

[craggy barn]

it's the only miniboss i look forward to fighting out of the others in styx

[raw rose]

omg what the hell is this
tisiphone is so stupid , i liked Meg better

where did meg go ? why am i fighting tisiphone? I died before i even got to hydra... what the hell

[noble hinge]

The game chooses a fury at random for you to fight each run, so you’ll see all of them about equally

[hexed shore]

It's geese

Not duck

[distant night]

yep, you get an orb and play on a court for your freedom in something similar to basketball, just....... fantasy

[hexed shore]

Fantasy?

[raw rose]

whaat , they should be equally strong though , i got destroyed by Tisiphone , while Meg is weaker than even some elite monsters

[distant night]

yes, you arent all human for example

[noble hinge]

Ooh

[hexed shore]

Tis is the easiest one according t general consensus actually

Anyway

Human?

[raw rose]

WHAT , tisiphone is easiest one??

how in the world , what about meg?

[acoustic plank]

Depends on your build but yeah, I'd say Tis is easiest

[noble hinge]

You get used to the attack pattern eventually

[hexed shore]

Meg is mid difficulty

[noble hinge]

Tho I’d personally say Meg is easier imo

On regular mode that is

[hexed shore]

You can bumrush tis and she'll die

[acoustic plank]

I learned how to kite Meg before I ran into any of the others

[raw rose]

omg i'd fight meg 100 times instead of fighting that "Murder" screaming old hag of Tisiphone

[distant night]

[craggy barn]

they're really not that much harder than meg, you just need practice. though be careful when you encounter alecto

[distant night]

as a snippet

[raw rose]

but the map gets soo small

[hexed shore]

Snippet?

[craggy barn]

tisiphone's attacks are actually really easy to dodge because she takes a while to wind up and she doesn't even spawn any minions

[distant night]

there are more characters that arent human besides those

[hexed shore]

Characters?

[raw rose]

i couldnt figure out her pattern at all

[distant night]

sigh

[hexed shore]

LUL

I commend you for keeping it up for so long

[acoustic plank]

Tis has barely any projectiles and huge amounts of time between her attacks compared to the others, but she was weird and difficult the first few times

[distant night]

m dead tired and could go further but my brain wont come up with an explanation ofcharacter

dont mind me i cant read sarcasm rn

[noble hinge]

She has one attack which you really need a deflection boon or something

[distant night]

thx for abusing that lol

[hexed shore]

Sarcasm?

[noble hinge]

Sarcasm.

[acoustic plank]

Nah you can destroy her projectiles with normal attacks too.

[hexed shore]

Sarcasm!

[raw rose]

i just got hammer as first upgrade instead of Athena , why?

[noble hinge]

Right

[raw rose]

i have athena's keepsake

[noble hinge]

It just sometimes happens

[acoustic plank]

Sometimes it doenst work out

[noble hinge]

Quite rarely tho

[hexed shore]

Keepsake means the god will appear

Not they'll appear first

[acoustic plank]

You try your best but you don't succeed

[raw rose]

ok , on that note , what should i get: Perfect shot, flurry shot , or chain shot?

[hexed shore]

Zag bow I assume

[noble hinge]

imo, perfect because power shots are fun

[raw rose]

what? but if i wear athena keepsake its always her that appears first

[hexed shore]

hermes or hammer can always appear before them

[noble hinge]

Dash + power shot, repeat until enemies die

Hermes is weird

[hexed shore]

You're weird

[noble hinge]

Touché

[raw rose]

last time i got Perfect Shot felt like i didnt even get any upgrade at all

barely any bonus damage... or so it felt like

[hexed shore]

Power shot is my personal preference but chain is p good

[noble hinge]

Flurry can be fun too with a good attack boon

[raw rose]

can i get flurry shot and explosive arrow?

[noble hinge]

But chain with doom is just

[hexed shore]

Explosive is one of the worst

[raw rose]

lol

it got me all the way to the minotaur and the other dude boss fight

[hexed shore]

I mean you can clear the game with the worst upgrades but that's because they're relatively bad not actually bad

[raw rose]

should i always go for chaos' portal if i have the hp?

[hexed shore]

Yes

[noble hinge]

I do unless a boss is coming up relatively soon

[acoustic plank]

Usually

[noble hinge]

Bosses appear in chambers 14, 24 and 36(?)

[hexed shore]

Only time I won't go for it before elysium boss

[raw rose]

how do you guys keep count of the chamber number lol

[granite ether]

yeah 14, 24 and 36 :3

[acoustic plank]

Boons screen

[hexed shore]

Press b

[noble hinge]

In your boon menu thing

[acoustic plank]

Top right corner

[raw rose]

Damn

these things should be pointed out with red circles

would make life so much easier

[noble hinge]

The alternate mirror upgrades should be easier to spot imo

[brazen lagoon]

ive been playing this game for 260 hours now and only found this out today lol

[raw rose]

HAHAHAHA

I know right?

i played for like 10 hours and only found out you can see your boons

[hexed shore]

The game tells you that though

[noble hinge]

When?

[hexed shore]

It's in the tutorial part

[acoustic plank]

The tutorials everyone skips

[hexed shore]

I don't remember when but maybe first run?

[noble hinge]

Oh

[raw rose]

the game has a tutorial?

[noble hinge]

It’s been a while lol

[raw rose]

i swear to got i just got thrown into the dungeon

when was there a tutorial>??

[hexed shore]

The first 3-5 runs are tutorials

[brazen lagoon]

i didnt even know the game had a tutorial lol

[raw rose]

what the hell

[brazen lagoon]

just threw me in and said have fun

[hexed shore]

Yep that's what the tutorial is

[acoustic plank]

The first 50 runs are the tutorial, after that you unlock the full game

[noble hinge]

Same, now that I think about it

[hexed shore]

The game keeps explaining the mechanics as you come across them

There isn't a specific tutorial mode

[distant night]

yeah but some people are allergic to reading

[noble hinge]

ah

[brazen lagoon]

the whole escaping thing is actually the tutorial

the real game is a dating sim

[hexed shore]

But the first run is scripted heavily to teach you how to play

For example your first boon is always Athena

[noble hinge]

Does anyone else always let the voice acting play out before proceeding dialogue or is that just me

[hexed shore]

And second run first boon is a hammer

[distant night]

zeus

not hammer

[hexed shore]

Well one of them is hammer and it explains what hammer is

[raw rose]

Yes but most of the time the tips that are given in text form by the gods come too late because i've already figured out what they are explaining , but there was absolutely no god to tell me "Yo , you can check your boons with B , and also you can see chamber count top right on boon screen"

[hexed shore]

There definitely is

[raw rose]

how tthe hell..

i read everything..

[distant night]

athena - zeus - hammer or hermes - poseidon - hammer or hermes

[raw rose]

i never skip stuff

[craggy barn]

"the first boon you get is from ___" as in the first boon you get from a god, not the first thing you get in a run. sometimes you'll get a hammer and then coins in the next room, but it's guaranteed that the next boon you get from a god will be from the respective god of that keepsake

[acoustic plank]

It was Librarius, the goddess of paperwork

[hexed shore]

One of the times when I was offered a boon I was told I can check my current boons with b to see what build is looking like

[raw rose]

i must be blind then , good thing i found out now and not 260 hours later

[hexed shore]

Lol

[raw rose]

what are the exclamation mark doors?

cant find them on wiki

[hexed shore]

Pic?

[distant night]

npcs

[hexed shore]

I think you're talking about npc doors but I'm not sure

[raw rose]

yes

[distant night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?width=500&height=305

[acoustic plank]

Oh that makes so much sense

[noble hinge]

Tartarus - Sysifys or however it’s spelt, coins, darkness or health

Asphodel - Euridicye with boon enhancing items

Elysiam - Fallen Warrior (||Patrocilus||) with various enhanced shop items

[distant night]

sisyphus

[acoustic plank]

I've been wasting my rerolls on gemstones

Oh man

[distant night]

eurydice

[noble hinge]

Do you have the contractor thing?

[acoustic plank]

They can't even be a boon

[distant night]

elysium, partoclus

[raw rose]

i didnt even notice those "laurel"s have different colors

[noble hinge]

Ohhhhh

I just understood

[acoustic plank]

I've been trying to reroll gemstones into boons

[noble hinge]

lul

[distant night]

yeah, the laurel colors are fun

[noble hinge]

Off topic, but can someone tell me to go to sleep

I really need that

[hexed shore]

No

Finish epilogue today

[raw rose]

Is chain shot good with Lightning Strike from zeus?

[hexed shore]

Yes

[acoustic plank]

@noble hinge Go to bed, dude. It's late.

[noble hinge]

Thx

[raw rose]

go to late dude , its bed

[hexed shore]

But
Epilogue

[rigid sand]

what should i go with Aphrodite ? the dash ? or the attack ?

[acoustic plank]

What weapon?

[rigid sand]

sword

[hexed shore]

Zag aspect?

[hoary zealot]

yo, i have a question

[rigid sand]

no no

normal

[hoary zealot]

when im fighting ||theseus|| my death aspect doesnt work?

[hexed shore]

Gotcha both are good

[acoustic plank]

I'm partial to the dash but either is decent.

[hoary zealot]

i've died 2 times now beacuse of that, and up to that point l didn't use it

[hushed schooner]

wdym

[hoary zealot]

l haven't used death aspect at all, then got killed by the boss in elysium and it sent me back without using it

[hexed shore]

Death defiance from the mirror?

[acoustic plank]

That sounds like a glitch idk

[distant night]

are you sure you didt just die already?

[hexed shore]

Do you have screenshots?

[raw rose]

Ever since Meg disappeared, I just cant get past the first bosses anymore
I just cannot for the love of god beat any of her damn sisters

at all

[hoary zealot]

i dont have a screenshot, it happened too quickly

[hexed shore]

Alecto is the hardest

[hoary zealot]

and im positive i didnt use it yet

[distant night]

next time it happens do if you're on pc

[raw rose]

Where is meggggggg

[vapid fox]

murderrr

[acoustic plank]

@raw rose Try not attacking for 15 solid seconds every phase.

[hoary zealot]

yeah, i will

[raw rose]

What?

[granite ether]

it's possible you used it elsewhere but didn't notice?

[raw rose]

what kind of strategy is that

[sudden rapids]

she's off to the grocery shop did you want anything?

[hoary zealot]

its not

[acoustic plank]

Its a strategy to learn how not to get hit

The screen isnt cluttered with stuff going on and you're not distracted by attacking

[raw rose]

I had upgrade so i could dash 3 times

yet she would teleport on my damn head

and hit me with something for 20dmg

[hoary zealot]

i've also been told to f10 a bug l've noticed, sometimes the dialogue isn't the same as subtitles, but not sure if that will be well visible in the screenshot

although i'll do it anyway

[distant night]

you learn their attacks and also every stage they shoot projectiles at you while being invincible so, dont come too close and hitting them wont help
also they usually dash right after their stage doing some gud damage to you so just dodge alot

[hexed shore]

You can see her warn you about teleporting before she teleports

[acoustic plank]

All the bosses and enemies in this game telegraph their moves.

[distant night]

theseus eve screams his moves

[hexed shore]

They all have a very distinct wind up before they charge and a huge circle before they do a whip

[rigid sand]

aphros dash or athenes dash ?

[distant night]

athena

[hexed shore]

Athena

[rigid sand]

ok thx

[acoustic plank]

If they look like they're about to sprint, get out of the way.

[raw rose]

it just all happens so fast..

[distant night]

if they follow you,they want to whip their hair back and forth

[acoustic plank]

That's why I recommended not attacking. Spend some time studying their moveset before you go on the offensive

[raw rose]

can i get titan blood if i already got it with the bow?

[acoustic plank]

It really helps

[raw rose]

or how does it work

[hushed schooner]

right im playing hades

[acoustic plank]

Yes. Its once per weapon

[craggy barn]

hunter dash or deadly strike? using fists

[hexed shore]

If you attack while dashing it also cancels your iframes

[hushed schooner]

uh

hunter dash tbh

[hexed shore]

Dash spammy

But I wouldn't get either tbh

[hushed schooner]

yeha i mean but i would get hunter dash over deadly strike

depending on the build and what fists

[hexed shore]

Sure that's what I said?

[hushed schooner]

no

i said a different thing

i was just partialyl agreeing with you

[deep oasis]

Do you guys main a weapon or do you guys switch it up every run?

[hushed schooner]

i switch it up but i do have weapons i heavily prefer

[hexed shore]

Switch every run according to thirst

[vapid narwhal]

everyone has a preference for sure

[distant night]

i fell in love with spear, only used it for 50 runs and decided i'm bored and learned i love bow, repeat

[plucky brook]

this game is incredibly balanced so you can use all the weapons, I used to prefer shield but I think I prefer the hidden sword now - but I generally just pick what I feel like at the time

[distant night]

hidden sword is shield but without the special being basically useless

[hexed shore]

My personal preference is malphon

That's a very questionable take @distant night

[distant night]

i wish so much that shield would feel more different

[deep oasis]

I mean, with the Fists I feel like a DBZ character at some point

[distant night]

like why cant it do myrmidon bracer theseus shield stuff?????????????????

why is it just a fancy sword??????

[hexed shore]

Spear seems like a long sword to me

[acoustic plank]

Switching weapons constantly is better for your long term development as a player, but as long as you're having fun that's all that matters in the end

[distant night]

you dont even bash enemies with it, you bonk them

spear dashattack and spin attack and special mechanics at least feel like spear

shield doesnt feel like shield uless you use bullrush

[hexed shore]

Spear special is just bad shield special

[distant night]

not really

but i guess i just say that cause i mainly use achilles

[raw rose]

Is Quick Recovery good with deflect dash?

[hexed shore]

I mean shield bounces

[distant night]

and hidden spear

[acoustic plank]

It takes advantage of backstab damage

[plucky brook]

I still can't figure out what to build on fists
I just start zeus attack and take random nonsense

[hexed shore]

All spear does is disrupt my attack

[brazen lagoon]

i am fuming

[distant night]

oh no

whatsup

[brazen lagoon]

i did a fists sppedrun intending to get ME

[plucky brook]

hi fuming, I'm Michael

[brazen lagoon]

didnt get it

[hexed shore]

If you hit shield on a wall you can back stab it @acoustic plank

[brazen lagoon]

even worse, i couldve gotten sub-10

but styx happnened

[plucky brook]

can you really speedrun fists without zeus? I can't imagine you clear rooms fast enough

[brazen lagoon]

i got 11 mins 30 instead

[plucky brook]

jfc

[hoary zealot]

what's the difference between death defiance and stubborn defiance?

[hexed shore]

Just use poseidon dash and speed run everything

[brazen lagoon]

i entered styx at 7 minutes 30

[acoustic plank]

Use your uppercut for room clear

[hexed shore]

Stubborn is one charge every room

[plucky brook]

I clearly am missing something if my pb is 13 mins

[brazen lagoon]

i want to die

[hexed shore]

Death defiance is 3 charges every run

At max level ofc

[hoary zealot]

does it affect boss rooms?

[hexed shore]

Yes

One charge every room

[distant night]

Death defiance: 3 permanent revives that give back 50%
stubborn defiance: 1 revive per room that only gives back 30%

[hoary zealot]

l've had stubborn for the last 2 runs when l died, that's why l'm asking

haven't used them till the boss room

:(

[distant night]

still that doesnt matter

[hexed shore]

Well if you died twice in a room you perma die

[hoary zealot]

l died only once

[hexed shore]

Doesn't matter how many times you died in the run

[acoustic plank]

Stubborn defiance is not that great

[distant night]

once you use it in boss room once you die next time

[brazen lagoon]

you do not understand how frustrated i am rn

[distant night]

it's ok, next time

[hoary zealot]

yeah, l never used it that run

[raw rose]

Nobody:
Charon: Heeuuughghhhh

[hexed shore]

If you died once in the boss room your stubb defiance got used and next death was perma

[hoary zealot]

just died without it coming up

[acoustic plank]

You wanna safe death defiances for fights that might need more than one

[hexed shore]

It doesn't matter how many times you died before that

[brazen lagoon]

i couldve destroyed my pb but noooooooooooooooooo rng just had to mess it all up

[hoary zealot]

l had the acorn thing on me, that was used

not stubborn

i'll switch back to d.d. now, thanks

[distant night]

rng tends to mess up, trutru

[brazen lagoon]

my only complaint about this game is how vital rng is for some playthroughs

[distant night]

but it's a roguelike

[brazen lagoon]

10/10 game, but rng can suck it

[distant night]

without rng it would be so boring

[hoary zealot]

l think the rng here is way better than in west of dead, another rougelite

[brazen lagoon]

sorry im just mad

[hoary zealot]

it seems way more ballanced

[distant night]

next time if you get blessed by rngods you will think the other wy round it'll be ok

[hoary zealot]

became stoic through video games- l accept what l cannot control and try again

also, if l want to remove everything l have on with the mirror l have to use a key?

[acoustic plank]

Yes

[brazen lagoon]

i just hate how rng based styx is

[hoary zealot]

wanna show ||meg|| shes wrong

[distant night]

you cant get hurt if you cant feel anything hah

[distant night]

what is this madness, say you're gonna do boonless soon to show the endboss you're stronk after this too

[hoary zealot]

daddy issues

l know theres a ||"secret dialogue" || if you do so

[distant night]

• the neighborhood

[hoary zealot]

pretty great work from supergiant considering half the people aren't gonna do that

[distant night]

there are many secrets that you would really never even think of doing

[hoary zealot]

l really want to watch yt videos on my reccomended page but l dont want to spoil anything

[distant night]

soon

[hoary zealot]

although even when l finish the story l know theres just so much in the game

[distant night]

i wonder if there is secret meg dialogue if you die 100 times without reaching her

[hoary zealot]

l know about one in transistor if you take too long to finish a puzzle

saw it on some video

[distant night]

imagine waiting 100 whole runs, ready to kick you down but you're never there

[hoary zealot]

[distant night]

theseus can at least fight other champions

[hoary zealot]

that's why she sounds so tired all the time

[raw rose]

how the hell do you kill theseus and his minotaur

i swear i got all the damagge upgrades i could get

i fought for 10 or 15 minutes maybe even more

and i got only the minotaur at like 25% hp , theseus was still full

How long is that fight?? 2hours??

[vapid narwhal]

learn their patterns and fight behind pillars

[raw rose]

the fight was so long it was just tiring....

[vapid narwhal]

they die in 2 minutes once you get used to them

[raw rose]

HOW

dude i barely do damage to them

how

[brazen lagoon]

i kill them in like 30 secs lol

granted i have 260 hours

[vapid narwhal]

by dying more and finishing runs, upgrading your weapons and mirror

[raw rose]

i deal like 1milimeter of their hp wit hevery attack

jesus

[vapid narwhal]

you are not expected to make very far for your first dozen runs

[raw rose]

pff

[hushed python]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-much-to-learn-star-wars-attack-electricity-gif-10182983

[vapid narwhal]

if you made it to them in like 10, you are pretty good actually

[hushed python]

Hades 2 when

Great game, GOTY for me

[brazen lagoon]

favourite game ever for me

[raw rose]

how do i know how many runs i have

[vapid narwhal]

||administrative chamber upgrade from the contractor||

also when you load the save file

[distant night]

the waterbowl

first house contractor upgrade for yoiur room

[raw rose]

oh

12 escape attempts

i guess im not supposed to beat theseus yet..

[distant night]

you're fine

[brazen lagoon]

reaching theseus at 12 is impressive

think i was still in asphodel at 12 lol

[potent grove]

12 for theseus is really good

i think i almost cleared meg at 12

[raw rose]

thanks guys you are boosting my morale

[distant night]

tbf if you've ever "give up", that attempt is yeeted

[raw rose]

i gave up once

[distant night]

since you asked about it before

[raw rose]

so it would be 11 then

theoretically

[distant night]

13

12 + 1

[raw rose]

wait what

giving up counts as a run?

[distant night]

it was a run basically

[raw rose]

i mean i didnt change anything , since it was same save and seed

[distant night]

just not counted in the bowl

[raw rose]

:C

[vapid narwhal]

the bowl only tracks your completed runs

[distant night]

idk about saying completed

[raw rose]

is death deffiance better then stubborn defiance?

[distant night]

but definitively your runs where you died naturally

it's better if you tend to have more issues with bosses than normal encounters

since you can have up to 3 revives at once

[raw rose]

whats the purpose of stubborn defiance

whats the difference ?

[distant night]

however if you have no issues with those and tend to casually lose revives in encounters -> Stubborn defiance

[distant night]

this

[raw rose]

Oh it sPER CHAMBER

damn

[distant night]

yes

[rapid forum]

If you trouble with mobs

[distant night]

but only 30%

[rapid forum]

Pick stubborn

Usually on high ||heats||

Mobs are nasty

[raw rose]

yeah i trouble with bosses

[distant night]

||heat|| is a spoiler for them

[raw rose]

keep dying at stupid theseus

[distant night]

ye

go for death defiance

[rapid forum]

You'll get better :>

[distant night]

that too

[floral flame]

If you maxed out everything, what is the max || heat?||

[distant night]

for bounties 20, ultra 63

the record is 60

[floral flame]

I knew for bounties, thanks c: 63 is a lot...

[rapid forum]

It definitely is

[distant night]

just wanted to be sure i understood your question correctly :)

[floral flame]

Yeah all good!

[distant night]

63 doesnt sound like that much but damn you really feel your soul leaving your body

[floral flame]

I barely want to put the 5 required to enter || the gates in Tartarus || 😭

[distant night]

people can do level 40-50 casually even but 55+ makes you wish you were being haunted by dementors

[vapid narwhal]

50+ is in territory that good players that attempt it are not guaranteed to succeed

[distant night]

not 45+`?

what are "good players" in your book oml

wizards??????????

[vapid narwhal]

55+ often takes very good players multiple tries because you need the best RNG you can get

[distant night]

wizards

nodnod

[rapid forum]

Those that can survive ||heightened security in styx|| is good in my book

[distant night]

oooooooooooooooooof

[vapid narwhal]

for us mere mortals 32 is tough enough

[rapid forum]

Cause dammit, I died there

With that condition

[distant night]

mere mortals wtf

[rapid forum]

Yep

[floral flame]

Wow I'm such a noob lmao

[distant night]

whats below a mere mortal

[rapid forum]

Beat 32, first try and never done it since

[distant night]

dont say mere cat cause i might cry

[vapid narwhal]

I tried 32 twice and havent got a clear

[void vigil]

.... a meerkat?

[vapid narwhal]

although both I had horrible RNG

[rapid forum]

Tbh