#h1-discussion

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lyric wharf
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I see, that's still impressive.

granite comet
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i think its like 32% ? i didnt put it on right away

inland pivot
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What does happen if I ||overfill the Pact of Punishment? Do I set it as high as that limit and lose any rewards from doing a run at lower levels?||

prisma wind
inland pivot
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So if ||I wanna get more comfortable with a higher heat, or be able to get into Erebus "Early", I can overfill and not worry about losing bounties.|| Good to know.

prisma wind
waxen juniper
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I feel like we need to talk about unshakable mettle. Why is it so underwhelming? :(

hushed schooner
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which one is thst

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i feel like that's an athena duo

waxen juniper
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You can no longer be stunned and you get a 10% boss damage reduction

hushed schooner
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oh

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yeah ive used that

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i pick it up if its there tbh

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to help with || hades||

waxen juniper
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Even then, 10% feels barely noticable tbh

hushed schooner
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yeah i suppose

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suppose it works best stacked with like

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weak + bronze skin

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to maximise damage reduction

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|| arthur unshakeable mettle?||

jolly summit
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No longer being stunned makes a huge difference in boss fights on slower animation weapons like ||Hades Spear charge or Arthur Sword swings.||

waxen juniper
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Hmm, I guess. I just feel like it doesn't stand out as much in relation to other duos. But maybe that's just me tbh.

lavish skiff
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what is ||bouldy||'s ||ambiguity|| bonus? like what does it do?

waxen juniper
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I also use relatively fast weapons most of the time, so that may also be a problem

jolly summit
waxen juniper
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She does has some solid duos though

jolly summit
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For sure, I just mean they're almost never in relation to dmg. It has to be paired with the dmg god haha.

lavish skiff
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elaborate

waxen juniper
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That's fair. I guess I just have to mess around with it a little more to really see its effect

waxen juniper
lavish skiff
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like

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not even by looking at the game files?

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i feel like there would be some way to figure out what effect it has

granite ether
# lavish skiff like

It gives you the power of knowing bouldy believes in you (||it does precisely nothing||)

lavish skiff
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but thats not even the text of the boon

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it says

granite ether
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I know what it says

lavish skiff
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but then it doesnt give you that knowledge

brazen lagoon
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its just useless tbh

granite ether
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read the thing in the brackets ^_^

prisma wind
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It gives you the satisfaction of doing the right thing and not cursing your run

granite ether
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because Bouldy is clearly the best boulder and if you don't give them nectar they ||become the final boss|| bouldy

lavish skiff
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bouldy is basically elderbug is what you're saying

potent orchid
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once you have no use for nectar- I always give bouldy one now

fleet narwhal
lavish skiff
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true

hushed schooner
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going to sispyhus for the bouldy boon

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idea

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bouldy %

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from the start of a new save

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the fastest time you can give a nectar to bouldy for a boon

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and then clear a run with it

ornate bear
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what are you guys saying - ambiguity gives a bonus
||if you hover over the bonus in your boon list it shows you what it does - and the bonus has a variety of possible effects, one of which is randomly selected. There's a +6% movespeed bonus, +4% damage resistance, +1% extra gold. Haven't seen other ones yet but probably many more||

fleet narwhal
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doesnt that take like 15 something dialogues with sisy

harsh lotus
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I've never had any problems with Meg or Alecto but I've been getting tisiphone every run now for whatever reason and I have soo much trouble with her. What's wrong with me? Thanks lol

fleet narwhal
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rng as for why tis shows up so much

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and tis only has like, 3 attacks pretty much

harsh lotus
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true but im dumb af ig lol

hushed schooner
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alecto is rhe hardest one for me i think

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its the saw blades

fleet narwhal
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^

hushed schooner
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i was doing a shield run earlier

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and like 4-5 saw blades appears

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and nearly lost a dd

brazen lagoon
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ye the saw blades absolutely wreck me

hushed schooner
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this wasn't even || em1||

fleet narwhal
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just base alecto is difficult without a high dps or else she spawns in like 5 saws

brisk trail
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Will Hades have major updates in the future? Say introducing the rest of the Olympians?

manic bobcat
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We don't know :D

waxen juniper
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Okay, what is the most possible damage reduction we can get on bosses?

hushed schooner
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well

leaden summit
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Supergiant never made dlc before iirc

hushed schooner
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dodge would probably help

waxen juniper
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I am gonna try and do an extremely heavy damage reduction run

hushed schooner
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so let's say you went for a

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plume / athena + aphrodite run?

waxen juniper
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I think unshakable mettle is a must as well

hushed schooner
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and tried to get some duo boons that reduce damage

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yeah obviously

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bronze skin obviously

waxen juniper
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And if we go aphrodite, different league

hushed schooner
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|| arthur as a weapon||

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yup

waxen juniper
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Oh yeah, that weapon seems good for this

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It also does chunky damage

hushed schooner
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yep

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there's aphrodite boons that increase the potency of weaks damage reduction

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well one

waxen juniper
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Ooo, broken resolve seems excellent for this

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Should I also go for calculated risk, or do you think that's pushing it?

hushed schooner
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what does that do again

waxen juniper
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Reduces speed of projectiles by 50%

hushed schooner
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is that the dionysius

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athena boon?

waxen juniper
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Yep

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I'd add dio to the cast to try and get it

hushed schooner
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i feel like id you were going for positive outlook maybe

waxen juniper
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If I have so much damage reduction, I won't want to be at low health

hushed schooner
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ok so main gods you would want athena + aphrodite + poseidon + dionysius

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true

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plus id you have lambent plume

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to reduce damage via dodges

waxen juniper
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Yea. I think the first 3 are fantastic, and dio is a bonus if we can get it

hushed schooner
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yeah

waxen juniper
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But isn't hidden sword a bit slow :/

hushed schooner
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well the point is damage reduction right

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not dps

waxen juniper
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I mean lambent plume

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You can't proc it if ya don't clear rooms fast

hushed schooner
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oh

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true

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hm

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i guess you could go for the bracer

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if you wanted flat damage reduction with the weapon

waxen juniper
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That seems good yeah. I can do that instead of acorn for the final fight

hushed schooner
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i havent used the hidden sword yet though so idk how much it works with the plume

waxen juniper
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Okay. So I am thinking aphro attack and athena special.

hushed schooner
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i feel like if you could pick up divine protection it would be worth it considering how mcuh damage reduction that boon gets done

waxen juniper
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That is the legendary right?

hushed schooner
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so you would have thar and when you were hit you would take minimal damage

waxen juniper
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It's good, but I'll have to pray for brilliant riposte

hushed schooner
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yeah athena legendary

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yeah

waxen juniper
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That's a tough tier 2 boon to get most of the time

hushed schooner
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i guess if you weren't going for plume you go for owl

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pendant

waxen juniper
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Yes, I think athena needs to come first

hushed schooner
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for the best bronze skin and other athena boons

waxen juniper
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And if aphro and poseidon aren't in the pool, I'll add them in for future floors

hushed schooner
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yeah

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i feel like this is a really overkill plan tbh

waxen juniper
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Isn't that the point ๐Ÿ˜†

hushed schooner
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it sounds fun but also if you got all of this you would have so mcuh damage reduction

ornate bear
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alternatively if you get Smoldering Air, Poseidon Aid, and Rip Current, you can get around 3 seconds of invincibility every 5 seconds

hushed schooner
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oh that sounds

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very good also

waxen juniper
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That's the goal. I just wanna get the most damage reduction I can

hushed schooner
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yeah it's a good goal

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gl if you go for it

waxen juniper
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Thanks. I am trying to give unshakable mettle a chance

hushed schooner
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yeah

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if you get it and post it here feel free to ping me

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i want to see all of these bonuses stacked together on screen

waxen juniper
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You bet I will!

hushed schooner
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would anything chaos help the run

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like does chaos have anything to help specific damage reduction

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hm

waxen juniper
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I don't think so

hushed schooner
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i feel like you could go for hermes dodge boon as well

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like even if you aren't going plume you could still go for dodge

waxen juniper
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I can see that. The nice thing is vengeance style boons still work if you have brief invulnerability

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So the dodge chance will trigger when divine protection gets popped

hushed schooner
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yeah

waxen juniper
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Must be my lucky day. Sword has dark thirst too!

hushed schooner
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its a sign

manic bobcat
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Finish Cold Embrace

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Tried 3 times for Fully Loaded

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Failed

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Man

hushed schooner
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yeah fully loaded took alot of runs

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you want tips

waxen juniper
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Did you do it with achilles and stygian soul?

manic bobcat
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sure did

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got chaos +1

hushed schooner
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keep arrowhead on from tartarus till elysium

manic bobcat
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it was ... fine. a bit slow for my taste

hushed schooner
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so you get best chances for artemis

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it sounds obvious buti took arrowhead off for some reason

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in earlier tries

manic bobcat
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you get better rarity, not necessarily better chance of seeing her though?

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but yeah, I avoid forcing new gods so Artemis doesn't get kicked out by mistake.

hushed schooner
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yeah but you get better chances for rare or better

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so i think more legend chance than without it

manic bobcat
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I think I might just not try for it and leave it as a meme.

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After all these years. I still haven't found this one legendary.

hushed schooner
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yeah

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gl with your hunt

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!

manic bobcat
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:D :D

hushed schooner
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i only need the two hermes boons for the prophecy

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the legendary ones

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those are probably gonna be plume runs though and i got level 3 plume now

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more zagreus fists runs await

calm orbit
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I really like plume + zag sword + Hermes bonus damage from move speed, zoom

waxen juniper
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Chloe, I also got cursed slash for this run

hushed schooner
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oh

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why

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is the idea have little health but tank it all and heal what little damage you take

waxen juniper
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Well, I have 92 health. That's pretty good for cursed slash

hushed schooner
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oh

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that seems to be good yeah

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i beat my cursed slash run with 124 max health

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i can see how new players might like it honestly

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but i don't think it has too much longevity throughout the run without building around it

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especially on higher heats than i played it on

waxen juniper
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Oh, so tidal dash won't give you unshakable mettle

hushed schooner
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oh no

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do you need to restart

waxen juniper
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Nope. I just took a crappy flood shot

hushed schooner
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ok

waxen juniper
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I got unshakable mettle now

hushed schooner
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pog

waxen juniper
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I also have an epic bronze skin

hushed schooner
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that's great

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what about different league

waxen juniper
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Sadly, I needed the aphro attack first. Hopefully I can get it though

hushed schooner
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ywah that's understandable

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gotta get strong attacks anyway

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and that weak

waxen juniper
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Weak is key so I can get broken resolve

strong vessel
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Is the victory boasting channel the only channel where I can upload media (video for example)? I wanted to upload this recording and ask other players what they think killed me

hushed schooner
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since you have poseidon / aphrodite boons maybe you could get their duo if its possible to level up the damage resistance boons

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alot

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you can uh post a link i think

waxen juniper
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Ooo, I'll see if I can get it!

hushed schooner
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not sure what the rules are on that though

waxen juniper
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I should have access now

hushed schooner
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yeah like get a few poms in styx

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if you manage all of this

waxen juniper
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Okay, so I have 17% damage reduction from bronze skin. 10% from unshakable mettle. I have weak, so that is 30% less damage dealt, and then the 40% from hidden sword

hushed schooner
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is this counting in the bracer yet

waxen juniper
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Oh yeah, I have bracer

hushed schooner
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do you have different league yet

waxen juniper
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Sadly no. Only extra aphro boon I got was sweet surrender

hushed schooner
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aw

waxen juniper
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I am at the final boss now, this is where it ends

hushed schooner
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that makes weak take more damage right

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?

waxen juniper
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Yep.

hushed schooner
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well good luck

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how much damage is he doing

waxen juniper
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So although it doesn't sound right, that should be 97% damage reduction

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Of the 30% the enemy deals

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Wait no.
I take 60% less damage with bracers and weak, and I also can reduce that damage by 67% ๐Ÿ˜†

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Wow! So of the damage dealt by bosses, I should only be taking 19.8% of it if the aura is up

hushed schooner
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wow

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how much health do you have

granite ether
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DR is inverse multiplicative

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unlike dodge which is additive

waxen juniper
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What do you mean?

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So what I did was multiply the 60% less damage by the 67% damage reduction

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Is that not right?

granite ether
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so the damage you take is 1x(1-0.3)(1-0.3)
instead of the DR being 1x(0.3+0.3)

waxen juniper
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Here, I'll share the stats on victory boasting and you can help me understand how much damage I actually reduced

mint forum
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I'm gonna send a screenshot after I fnish this run

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but omg

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I just got

waxen juniper
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I did die a couple times (I was sloppy), so it wasn't an easy run

mint forum
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heroic greatest reflexes

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now I can dash 6 times

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my space key is crying

hushed schooner
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wow

lunar bough
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Now Zeus or Poseidon dash and never attack again

waxen juniper
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Yeah chloe, I don't think cursed slash was the right call there :p

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Since I had such little health, it was hard to actually recognize the damage reduction taking place.

mint forum
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I didn't know I would ahve

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this power

waxen juniper
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Athena dash is beautiful

mint forum
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yea\

hushed schooner
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maybe i could try the run now i have || arthur||

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and try and get different league with it

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on one of those runs

waxen juniper
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Have fun! Don't take cursed slash xp

hushed schooner
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yeah

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don't worry ive had my fill of cursed slash for now

waxen juniper
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It's not bad, but I had no idea how much damage was being reduced. Every hit with cursed slash feels like a lot

hushed schooner
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yeah

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didn't you also have || hard labour 1|| on?

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so that affected the damage

waxen juniper
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No, my sword only needs 11 heat

hushed schooner
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in the screenshot says you have it on

waxen juniper
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Oh, well I guess it was on :p

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I usually always have hard labor 1 on. I guess I didn't see a need to take it off

hushed schooner
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could have been part of why the hits felt so big

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on cursed slash

waxen juniper
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That's true. I also haven't used cursed slash since around the first few runs I've played it

hushed schooner
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yeah who knows

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cool run though

waxen juniper
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Thanks. I wanna try the run 1 more time to see if I can get more going for it

hushed schooner
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yeah good luck

mint forum
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I'm gonna post my run

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with da 6 dashes

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I just zoomed across places

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and dashed attacked like mad

waxen juniper
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Yeah, it seems I am not gonna have anything like that run this time

pseudo halo
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Wouldn't show up for the next 5+ runs

waxen juniper
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That's just how it is sometimes

hushed schooner
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i love delta chamber

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had a full on zeus run with it

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pure electric spam

hexed shore
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I've never used cursed slash

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I took it once and died immediately

runic agate
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Technically that means you used it tho

modern temple
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Hey boys

hexed shore
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Well I guess

modern temple
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Anyone on the hades reddit?

hexed shore
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Yea what about it

modern temple
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I'm gonna start a daily discussion thing

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I've seen it work in another subreddit, and I think it could work for us too

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Thoughts?

formal epoch
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i screen shared me playing hades to the girl i like since i know she loves the game

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i died on the final boss with just a tiny fraction left

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can i get a f in chat

waxen juniper
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F

runic agate
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F

modern temple
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F

manic bobcat
hexed shore
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Inb4 the girl turns out to be holde of the hades speed run record

waxen juniper
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I wanna do a silly shield run. What do you all suggest?

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p. s. I would actually like to win :p

jolly summit
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Zag shield dio attk

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Stack hangover on entire room haha

waxen juniper
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Why hangover?

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Seems weird for zag shield. It's a bit slow

supple lodge
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zeus aspect + all of ares' blade rift thingies

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beyblade time

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not an ideal build but it looks funny

waxen juniper
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I just got dread flight and I have the ares keepsake on. So, I'll probably go for doom special. Seems fun

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I may try that one next though

novel wasp
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Get dio special and use zeus shield

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Now you have a Stand

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and then get something mvoement speed related so you can let the zeus shield keep following you for destruction

merry current
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Doom is op

waxen juniper
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I have a shot of getting curse if longing too. Man I love this game!

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Got it!

austere wagon
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anyone knows what can i do with my keys after i unlocked all the stuff in the mirror

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just for trading or what

hexed shore
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Yes

austere wagon
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so theres no point keeping it anymore ?

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other than just trade it away ?

waxen juniper
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Yea, just trade it away

austere wagon
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alright

jade adder
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Who were the artists who made the illustrations for this game?

brazen lagoon
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Think it was gen zee

rancid vapor
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Where's the #Salt channel?

supple lodge
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ah

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a classic

hexed shore
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All channels are salt channels if you have the right attitude

supple lodge
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when the sack is in the last tunnel

waxen juniper
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What kind of build would be good for zag rail?

hexed shore
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Zeus

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Maybe seastorm?

waxen juniper
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Hmm, I've done a lot of zeus rail lately. What do ya think of demeter arctic blast?

distant night
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that build sucks but better than nothing

hexed shore
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I mean you're not really exploiting the what the zag rail does, it's really same as any other rail so it's good

distant night
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+12 ammo = less reloading and more chill = more arctic blast tho?

waxen juniper
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Yes

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That's the plan

brazen lagoon
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What's the easiest way to get the pierced butterfly achievement

distant night
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idk how else to exploit zag rail?

brazen lagoon
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Like what weapons+boons do you use

distant night
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a fellow artemis enjoyer hello!

brazen lagoon
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Greetings

distant night
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your most comfortable weapon or shield

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since you want to feel as safe and quick as possible

brazen lagoon
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OK then

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Thanks

distant night
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sure thing, good luck getting the achievo!

rancid vapor
distant night
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oh that hurts

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did you have all 3 DD before the timer said bye?

rancid vapor
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I had one DD but just regular final boss without EM4 is a joke

distant night
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not even fo2 endboss?

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or are you fine with fo2 endboss o.o

rancid vapor
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I had 5 dodges

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artemis aid

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and +1% god gauge every sec

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covers everything

distant night
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ooo

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trutru

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mb i dont even see what weapon you have

rancid vapor
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it's arthur

uneven canyon
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Aegis Special upgrade + reflect is so good

waxen juniper
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Demeter is not being nice. I had her keepsake in the beginning and that is the last time I have seen her :/

manic bobcat
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It do be like dat

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That's why Fated Authority can be good over Fated Persuasion in those situations.

harsh canopy
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So what is the logic behind || thesus walking away and exposing his back once he is done with the attack ? ||

hexed shore
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Zeus really or poseidon so you can keep them down? @distant night

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Like demeter is cool but you can get artic blast with any rail

waxen juniper
hexed shore
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I don't like demeter for that very reason

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Her boons all depend on finding her multiple times

rancid vapor
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zeus is no different imo

waxen juniper
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Demeter doesn't necessarily need extra help, chill+ the damage boost is pretty good. But unfortunately, this rail build was very specific and it did not pan out

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And I lost...

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I mean, I have to try it again

plucky brook
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I need aspect suggestions, I have my favourite aspect from each weapon maxed, now i just want... something else akek

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hidden sword, achilles, chaos, chiron, demeter & eris

sharp fossil
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is that the list of aspects youโ€™ve maxed, or the list of whatโ€™s left

plucky brook
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what's maxed

sharp fossil
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right

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i mean, my personal rec would be 4th shield, but thatโ€™s a fairly unique playstyle which is a bit divisive, so you may or may not like it

plucky brook
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how does hera work? if you have say a poseidon cast, does the attack activate that?

sharp fossil
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otherwise, poseidon and hestia are both a lot of fun, and feel very different so can add variety to your runs

sharp fossil
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hitting them, ofc

plucky brook
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fascinating Hmm

sharp fossil
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oh if you want a suggestion based on power, 4th bow is fantastic

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takes a bit to get the hang of tho

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very high skill ceiling

plucky brook
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really? I don't really see a downside of it akek

sharp fossil
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it holds the current heat record, so yeah itโ€™s pretty decent lol

plucky brook
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I think 4th shield looks the most interesting to me

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so will probably go that

waxen juniper
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Of all the aspects, I feel like zag rail is the most restrictive :/

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Yeah, zag rail sucks

maiden urchin
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spread fire

waxen juniper
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I guess that and lightning strike are okay. But that's about it. Even arctic blast is pretty meh

maiden urchin
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you can build ME too lol

waxen juniper
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Me is good in most things

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Anything zag does, eris does better

quick plume
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Yo why is aspect of Poseidon on the sword so ugly

maiden urchin
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after seeing someone beat their first 32 with RI3 FO2 drunken strike on arthur Iโ€™m convinced any build can beat anything under 40 heat

waxen juniper
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Doesn't mean it's good

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Like I said, anything zag rail does, eris just does it better.

vapid fox
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I have killed my game because the run didnt go as intended. instead of restarting the chamber it sent me back to the house of hades. I accept my punishment

maiden urchin
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making zag aspects is hard

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you canโ€™t fundamentally modify the weapon so you have to buff the base stats in an interesting way for 6 different weapons

waxen juniper
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I quite like the other 5, but this one just really doesn't have much going for it

maiden urchin
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you prefer zag spear?

waxen juniper
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It was not nearly as bad as I gave it credit for. So yes I do

maiden urchin
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what reason is there to take it over achilles

vapid fox
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what is there to chose over the zag spear?

maiden urchin
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or hades if not using flurry jab

waxen juniper
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Personally, I feel achilles shines more as a cast weapon

vapid fox
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its the best spear i think

maiden urchin
#

but achilles is also better at playing as zag spear than zag spear is

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flurry jab or serrated point (aka the 2 main hammers for zag spear) are both insane on achilles too

waxen juniper
#

Well, what if you want to play it a little bit safer and try to maintain some distance?

plucky brook
#

achilles POGGERS I maxed it out today and I really love the cast builds, nearly accidentally beat my pb with what I thought was a dumb build akek

waxen juniper
#

Achilles cast builds are nuts.

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I had achilles with crystal beam and it was incredible!

maiden urchin
#

if youโ€™re not using Flurry jab then even hades spear is a better zag spear

brazen lagoon
#

What's your pb Michael

plucky brook
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~17 odd, I've never actually gone for a real speed run

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yeah I had flood shot & the duo revenge boon, it was a solid thonk of a build but it worked

waxen juniper
#

Hades spear is solid. It actually gives you a reason to use the spin attack

brazen lagoon
#

Yeah I like hades spear

waxen juniper
#

Or to at least think about it

vapid fox
#

I cant unlock the last aspect of the rail man I tried restarting the run with zeus charm about 100 times now

waxen juniper
#

I don't think he says it in the first room

vapid fox
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talk to zeus - give up - repeat. does that not work?

brazen lagoon
#

Restarting doesn't work

waxen juniper
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Giving up restarts the seed

brazen lagoon
#

You need to die to get a different conversation

waxen juniper
#

But it is the same seed

vapid narwhal
#

give up will always reset the seed and you will always get the same dialogue

brazen lagoon
#

So you've basically wasted a ton of your time

vapid narwhal
#

you will have to knock this dialogue off the list

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and then the next one can appear

vapid fox
#

I have zeus in this current run in the 6th chamber. can I restart this to get the conversation or nah?

waxen juniper
#

Both Zeus and Artemis shared the phrase with me in a different room.

craggy barn
#

giving up just makes it so your current run never happened

maiden urchin
#

take heightened security to die faster

vapid narwhal
#

you need to finish runs if you need to hunt for a certain dialogue

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give up does not help you

vapid fox
#

ok thanks alot

maiden urchin
#

take heightened security and routine inspection maxed

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1 trap will insta kill you

vapid fox
#

can i use the other weapons as the wiki states?

waxen juniper
#

You can also just play the game like normal and wait it out

vapid fox
#

ok I will do that its the most natural thing

vapid narwhal
#

you need to let him comment on the rail with it equipped first

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then the actual unlock phrase can trigger, this does not require you to equip it

vapid fox
#

the funny thing is that I had his coversation but later the savefile dies

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died

vapid narwhal
#

F

waxen juniper
#

F

vapid fox
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thanks to the community I was able to restore it to a point just before starting the run...

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I invested into the second aspect of the rail 2 times (aspect of eris). 1 to unlock, 2 for first 3 for second. thats enough, right?

distant night
vapid narwhal
#

eris works fine at low levels

waxen juniper
#

Eris is one of the most versatile weapons. It's fine for now, but it is very good maxed out

vapid narwhal
#

just beware all rail aspects are kinda mechanically demanding

waxen juniper
#

That is fair

distant night
#

imagine if you could have hazard bomb and cluster bomb (on eris) together

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life would be so much fun

waxen juniper
#

Why would you do that on eris?

ornate bear
#

Hazard rockets

waxen juniper
#

Cluster bomb I get

distant night
#

+300% damage

craggy barn
#

ok but why hazard

distant night
#

+300% damage

craggy barn
#

and does eris even stack?

waxen juniper
#

Yea, but you wanna get hit by the special

distant night
#

xD

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exactly

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FUN

waxen juniper
#

Sounds like a fun way to die

distant night
#

suicide not only for the story but also for those sweet 75%

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exactly

waxen juniper
#

I already died twice today... I'm good.

distant night
#

i am just speakign hypotheticals

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btw i only put eris in brackets cause all rails would be nice but eris would be the funn-est

waxen juniper
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Yes... "Fun"

distant night
#

is funnest a word

waxen juniper
#

No, but it still gets your point across, so who cares? :P

ornate bear
#

Most fun would be the proper usage

distant night
#

honestly you're gonna get hit by hazard clusters anyways

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just take the 75% and be happy

craggy barn
#

speaking of which does eris actually stack if you proc it multiple times?

distant night
#

nope

waxen juniper
#

I think I understand why they don't have that as an option. Sure ya get hit, but that is a bit too powerful

distant night
#

it's like achilles spear

craggy barn
#

but,,,, then why

distant night
#

just for hits and iggles

waxen juniper
#

You go right ahead!

distant night
waxen juniper
#

Don't let your memes be dreams!

distant night
#

you take cluster cause: bigger aoe, bigger damage if you hit with boss with all 5 and bigger area for you to chose where to stand in

distant night
#

why is rail so meme-able

vapid fox
#

hazard bomb is the way to go

waxen juniper
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I dunno. I played hestia rail with hangover attack. If that's not a meme, I don't know what is :p

distant night
#

btw whoever said hazard rocket: teach me how to rocket pleaaaaaaaaase

grand inlet
#

Holy smokes @waxen juniper, I came in here to say I was watching Jawless Paul on YouTube and he is literally Hades Bob Ross and look at what I see!

merry current
#

My favourite weapon right now is bow with aspect of chiron

distant night
#

thats our endearing dackid

merry current
#

Then getting Artemis crit on my special

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Or doom

distant night
#

or dio

craggy barn
#

yeah chiron is actually really fun

distant night
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cause doom isnt stackable.... without the right tier 2

vapid fox
#

how can I ensure getting daedalus?

distant night
#

chiron is open for anything

craggy barn
#

not exactly the strongest but definitely fun

waxen juniper
#

All the weapon aspects (apart from some zag ones) have a lot going for them

merry current
#

Which aspect is the strongest?

distant night
waxen juniper
waxen juniper
grand inlet
#

Now I know what Trump feels like

distant night
craggy barn
vapid fox
#

I did not expect that eris is so liked here

distant night
#

same

merry current
#

I need more Titan blood

vapid fox
#

I find it weird and I cant use hazard bombs

distant night
#

usually the rail gets alot of disdain in new players lol

waxen juniper
#

I was kinda whatever with eris for a while, but then I learned it buffs hangover and chained lightning.

jaunty minnow
#

wait what

#

rail feels busted

craggy barn
#

hazard bomb is either really good or viscerally unbearable to use in styx

vapid fox
#

also I picked rockets now and now my eris effect is gone

waxen juniper
jaunty minnow
#

I'm like 13 hours in but uhhh

distant night
craggy barn
merry current
#

Also idk how to get hidden stuff but I assume its clearing an escape atempt which I havent done yet cause im bad and keep getting rolled by Hades

waxen juniper
jaunty minnow
#

one run I had where I replaced its special with missles, got the 5x projectile hammer upgrade

distant night
vapid fox
#

that worked, thanks

sharp fossil
waxen juniper
merry current
#

But I dont want the story spoiled

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Havent cleared a run yet

waxen juniper
#

It doesn't spoil anything about the story.

jaunty minnow
#

either way if I could get that same combo of a chaos upgrade that increased special damage, changed my special to missiles, and got the x5 but -30% damage on them

#

hoooooooooly

#

that felt broken

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I nearly beat hades the first time I got to him

merry current
#

Oh I thought it would hence the name

craggy barn
merry current
#

I need more Titan blood

waxen juniper
#

A wee bit

craggy barn
#

just beat up meg using different weapons

merry current
#

Time to kill boss one with all the weapons

jaunty minnow
#

how do you get titan blood after that

vapid fox
#

I got my first victory with the rail and every boon on special. it did about 800 dmg per hit all buffs applied

merry current
jaunty minnow
#

I Was hoping that wasn't the asnwer

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answer*

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

distant night
merry current
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I dont know what the deal is though

jaunty minnow
#

I guess there's technically a thing on the scroll in the bedroom

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but that's only one time

distant night
#

the prophecies give alotta blood

merry current
#

Ive been trying to finish The Fates table

sharp fossil
#

yeah it has to be upgraded for sure

distant night
#

just wait for the prophecies to generate

waxen juniper
craggy barn
distant night
#

i still hate rail but gg to hestia

merry current
#

As I said I keep getting rolled by Hades

sharp fossil
#

itโ€™s not 150%

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itโ€™s first shot after a reload becomes a base 150 damage

vapid fox
#

explain "dalek voice"

waxen juniper
#

You need a total of 288 titan blood to max all weapons.
1 from each weapon is not even close to enough

jaunty minnow
#

that upgrade seemed terrible

distant night
#

Empowered Shot Base Damage
(50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150)
Not listed: the range of Empowered Shot is increased to 150%

#

ah tru i forgot that damage is too broad mb

#

i cant word

merry current
#

Also is there a way to see which weapon you havent defeated meg with before heading out?

waxen juniper
#

Eventually, but not yet

vapid fox
#

yes

distant night
#

if you have the pink window, no

#

once you have the other one, yes

waxen juniper
#

You'll need to beat a run first before you can find that out

jaunty minnow
#

is there like

#

a guide somewhere that'll tell me what boons and what combos are good

vapid fox
#

does anybody prefer the empowered shot?

waxen juniper
jaunty minnow
#

I generally have something I prefer right now but I'm not sure if it's just bad

distant night
#

prefer in what way?

jaunty minnow
#

I mean if you don't tell me I'm just gonna go find it myself

distant night
prisma wind
vapid fox
#

blast the guides thats half the fun of finding out yourself

waxen juniper
#

Then I won't tell you

distant night
#

wightfyre you betrayer

#

:)

sharp fossil
brazen lagoon
#

Half the fun of starting out is experimenting with boons and stuff

#

It's alot better to experience it yourself but you do you

distant night
#

experimenting is just fun

jaunty minnow
#

I mean I've played 13 hours

#

I've seen most boons that aren't dual boons

craggy barn
#

yeah experimenting with different boons is always a good idea

distant night
#

but i guess most games condition you to want to have the strongest stuff

jaunty minnow
#

it just feels like a few of them I look at are like "I'm testing this and hoping it's not awful"

craggy barn
#

i wouldn't have realized how ridiculously powerful poseidon could be otherwise

distant night
#

thats the game tho

jaunty minnow
#

and if it's bad it feels like it ruins runs

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idk

distant night
#

if ya wanna see all the duos better than with codex just go to https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons

Hades Wiki

Duo Boons are a type of Boon which combines the powers of two different gods for a unique effect. Duo Boons can only be obtained with the correct prerequisite boons and, like normal boons, are lost when Zagreus dies and returns to the House of Hades.
There are currently 28 Duo Boons in Hades, shared between 8 different gods: Aphrodite, Ares, Art...

jaunty minnow
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or if I haven't been given something that works with what I currently have but I'd like to test it's doesn't make sense to do it because I'm not really giving it a fair shake

vapid fox
#

I traded 5 ambrosia for titan blood and I dont know if that was a good choice

distant night
#

it can really help you starting out with experimenting

merry current
#

Are there Duo calls or no?

distant night
distant night
waxen juniper
prisma wind
#

It's fine to use a guide if you have a hard time bringing together a cohesive build, nothing wrong with that. As others say, experimenting can be fun too. How one person experiences the game may not be how you enjoy it, so always take build suggestions with a large grain of salt

merry current
#

Are Ambrosia the honey jars?

distant night
#

yep

#

the bigger bottles actually

merry current
#

I traded mine as well :(

jaunty minnow
#

it addresses that

distant night
#

thats ok

#

you wont need them for a longer time

merry current
#

I didnt know how important they were

#

Am I softlocked?

#

Or can I still earn?

distant night
#

and once you get the weapon you like through blood you will get further

#

of course you can

waxen juniper
#

There aren't really any boons that are downright bad, they are just not great for your specific build.

distant night
#

just clear runs and you can get up to 126 ambrosia

craggy barn
#

126 ambrosia is way more than you need throughout the whole game bouldy

waxen juniper
#

How many keepsakes are there?

distant night
#

actually nvm there are builds that do fine with aphro dash mb

merry current
#

I think Aphro dash is good

prisma wind
#

Nothing wrong with Aphro dash :p

merry current
#

If you are aggressive

distant night
#

i just prefer aphro on attack than just dash

#

also its sound is disgusting imo

merry current
#

Ive met every character except one

#

Im missing one keepsake

distant night
#

:o

prisma wind
#

Eh, keep playing and you'll get it soon enough

waxen juniper
#

Aphro dash is a good way to apply weak for things like priveleged status or sweet surrender

distant night
#

are the keepsake slots all visible with the current patch btw?

prisma wind
#

The game doesn't hide any of the keepsakes

merry current
#

I mostly just use Than keepsake anyway

plucky brook
distant night
#

ohh a current patch made the last one visible?

vapid fox
#

than is my fav too

craggy barn
#

than keepsake is good for rail or bow, maybe spear

prisma wind
merry current
#

You guys might hate me but im not a fan of Orpheus

craggy barn
#

i mean his keepsake is pretty terrible

distant night
craggy barn
#

but his songs are great

prisma wind
#

No accounting for personal taste

merry current
#

I thought he was female for my first like 10 runs

distant night
#

somehow more did than you think

versed verge
distant night
#

than you think haha

distant night
craggy barn
#

yeah pretty sure it's the sigil

merry current
#

Maybe I just forgot to give someone necter

waxen juniper
versed verge
#

It might have been that one... It's been a minute abd I've slept since I've unlocked it

#

I wish the songs were more sing along able

prisma wind
merry current
#

My first achivement was petting Cerberus 10 times

sharp fossil
jaunty minnow
#

there's definitely one I haven't interacted with but I think I've gotten one people seem to have missed

#

lol

distant night
versed verge
sharp fossil
#

youโ€™re not wrong lol

#

i try anyway

distant night
#

just mumble along

#

as if those songtext arent meant to be sung but to be whispered into the ears of your enemies

sharp fossil
prisma wind
#

I don't know, Good Riddance is always living rent free in my head

craggy barn
distant night
#

||SING OF ZAGREUS OH MUSE||

jaunty minnow
#

waitaminute

merry current
#

Gotta simp for Meg first then Aphro

distant night
#

cant wait for cosplay parties to be open again and to hear good riddance sung from everywhere

sharp fossil
#

places i sing good riddance:
-playing hades
-in the shower
-on the way to work
-at work
-while talking to my boss

distant night
#

i-

#

dont flex your good music taste on your boss?

merry current
#

Its like that one video of the guy singing opera to his dog

distant night
#

just imagining you clocking out of your shift and singing
Farewell
To all the earthly remains

on your way out

sharp fossil
#

look

rancid vapor
#

Common "Side Hustle" gives 0 gold when sold at Charon's Well ๐Ÿ˜ญ

sharp fossil
#

this is only half a joke, thatโ€™s all iโ€™m saying

rancid vapor
#

I took it so I could get 10g going into meg and then sell it for underworld customs

distant night
rancid vapor
#

oh you are actually right

#

I figured it only reduces gold from rooms...

#

rip

merry current
#

Chaos do be a trickster

distant night
#

it sadly doesnt, rip

prisma wind
#

I'm pretty sure everyone makes that mistake at least once

distant night
#

this ^

rancid vapor
#

You're so right. I didn't notice because I didn't even check out the other options to sell because they're too good

prisma wind
#

I've definitely sold a duo or legendary with the Pauper curse active

distant night
#

OUTCH

#

OH

merry current
#

Unlucky

rancid vapor
distant night
#

450 obols dow the chaos drain

rancid vapor
#

Chaos giveth and Chaos taketh away

distant night
#

yeee you cursed honey

prisma wind
rancid vapor
#

that chaos boon gives 74 hp or so I had to take the deal

vapid fox
#

help I cant chicken out of the chaos boon selection

merry current
#

I tried aspect of Hera. No go when it comes to cast blessings

versed verge
brazen lagoon
#

Sure good riddance is great but yall are sleeping on lament of orpheus

rancid vapor
#

Bouldy gave me +9% movement bonus which is crazy

brazen lagoon
#

That song sends me bro

distant night
#

they look stunning already but yeh thats my ted-talk of the day

#

i thought for a sec you reacted with james, dont do this to me

prisma wind
#

That's probably why the egg looks so fancy

surreal oracle
#

is quick reload a good boon for builds with poseidon sword?

distant night
#

it does

surreal oracle
#

or is it useless b/c ur specialing anyways

distant night
#

fanciest creation eggggg

prisma wind
#

Quick reload is not good with Poseidon aspect, no

vapid narwhal
#

you want greater recall instead of quick reload

distant night
#

huh?

#

ooooooooh i always mix those two up

vapid narwhal
#

quick reload is faster bloodstone drop

distant night
#

Auto Reload You regenerate Cast Ammo faster.
would be the best right?

prisma wind
vapid narwhal
#

no for cast build you dont use Stygian Soul

distant night
#

so you get casts without the enemy needing to "drop them" or does pos sword not work with it

vapid narwhal
#

Pos sword also practically doesnt work with cooldown cast yes

distant night
#

brother idk, i dont use pos sword, i just wonder for possibilities of new challenges

prisma wind
distant night
#

oooh

sharp fossil
#

stygian cast builds arenโ€™t bad, but they synergise very badly with pos aspect

prisma wind
#

Though with Poseidon specifically it's not the best

sharp fossil
#

yeah

distant night
#

hmmmmm

#

i like this

#

new cast challenge

prisma wind
#

Stygian cast builds work best with non-sticky casts

vapid narwhal
#

yep

prisma wind
#

Because you can just keep dropping them while the older ones are still out

distant night
#

yeeeeee

vapid fox
#

รŽ made it. I will never hate on eris again

jovial owl
#

Man, it's still been so hard for me to get Thanatos lately

#

I got him finally after 6 runs without him, and now I'm on run 2 and haven't seen him at all yet

#

Give me my boy I am Desperate

rancid vapor
#

I keep getting owned by 40 heat ๐Ÿ˜”
time to go back getting owned in other games

south kestrel
#

Lovely RNG. :D
Sometimes he shows up 3 runs in a row, sometimes you don't see him for ages. Taking damages is a clue to "force" him to proc, but there's still rng.

rancid vapor
#

melee build without athena dash is just asking to suffer

#

I somehow lost 3 DD between patty and elysium champs

south kestrel
#

Oh. It hurts.

rancid vapor
#

probably should switch to something safe at range

#

that way I never have to stack hp past 150

weak gulch
#

I just finished my 45th run in a streak, and the victory box has gold around it instead of the normal thin lines. Is that because ||my heat was higher||?

plucky brook
#

ah yes... ||benefits package speed flamewheels...|| that's not nightmare fuel at all..

loud lintel
#

yo i just cleared my first run ever last night

brazen lagoon
#

||benefits package speed flamewheels + forced overtime||

#

absolute fear

plucky brook
loud lintel
#

i was wondering how far into the story/game i am now as i know its not the end

#

since i kinda dont want the game to end PepeHands

plucky brook
#

||as for the "story" ending, you're 10%, as for the "game" ending, not even 0.0001% ||
technically spoilers although I made it as non-spoilery as I could ^

distant night
loud lintel
#

what seriously ||10%||?

#

thats insane

distant night
#

well it's only one end

#

there's far more beyond that, welcome to roguelikes/lites!

manic bobcat
#

No no it's over

#

Leave now

#

Before it's too late

distant night
#

got you entertained for an unhealthy amount of hours a day

#

fox

#

i dont even want to ask

manic bobcat
#

There is no escape from this game.

plucky brook
manic bobcat
#

Dude I legit dreamt that I went though a never ending Asphodel lol

distant night
#

oh outch

plucky brook
#

@brazen lagoon y'know what's also bloody scary, TELEPORTING FLAMEWHEELS amonkaomega
i hate ||benefits package|| mom pick me up i'm scared

distant night
#

hs on or nah?

manic bobcat
#

Lol dunno but every room has Hydra

distant night
brazen lagoon
#

BF2 is absolutely terrifying ngl

manic bobcat
#

Including Eurydice xD

distant night
plucky brook
#

what i'm hearing is that i'm just never doing high heat

#

gotcha

distant night
#

sjhldfรถjaolk

#

well you dont have to

#

but maybe 32?

manic bobcat
#

Just do 32 then retire

distant night
#

ohhh retirement sounds nice

plucky brook
#

32 amonkaomega I did 16 the other day and that was enough things to worry about lmao

loud lintel
#

ive played other roguelikes before but usually the fun starts fading after the first couple of clears since there isnt a lot of variation to it

distant night
#

do it for skellethon

loud lintel
#

but this game has ||aspects, keepsakes, pact conditions, and a great narrative that makes me wanna learn more||

#

and those are just the ones ive discovered so far

distant night
#

i believe there is more than enough content there

#

somebody also said there were i believe 500k words of lore?

#

or was it just 400k?

manic bobcat
#

300k

distant night
#

ye one of those numbers

manic bobcat
#

"Only" 300k

#

No biggie

distant night
#

totally

#

i think people said it's more than a LotR book but i never read it so idk

#

doesnt sound like a biggie fox

brazen lagoon
#

lotr is kinda boring ngl

#

i started reading the first book and stopped after like 10 minutes

manic bobcat
#

Quick Google shows that over 110k words can be considered long novel.

loud lintel
#

yeah repeating dialogue is what bores me from from certain games sometimes

distant night
#

looking at it already made me yawn if i'm being honest, fellow artemis apreciator ,_,

manic bobcat
loud lintel
#

i dont think ive heard any dialogue more than once so far

distant night
#

most get repeating dialogue only after i believe 80h?

#

but it could be less, fox has to correct me

manic bobcat
#

Nah

distant night
#

what nah

manic bobcat
#

I see repeating dialogue after half an hour

distant night
#

pffffffffffffffffffffffff

manic bobcat
#

Let's see

distant night
#

nobody forces you to go through your room 30 times

upbeat cedar
#

Is it just my luck or is there a special requirement to be able to purchase the flame wheel release from the well of charon/

manic bobcat
#

Huhhhhh mmmmmm

#

Murrrderrrrrrr

plucky brook
distant night
#

how dare

plucky brook
#

that's cheating fox

manic bobcat
#

Bad game 0/10

distant night
#

suresure

distant night
#

you just dont speak her dialect

loud lintel
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everything from the contractor apart from work orders is cosmetic right? so i can ignore those other tabs until i feel like decorating?

distant night
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my brain is just fried oml

manic bobcat
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It's morning girl

distant night
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some things offer additional information like the waterthing in your room

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11am ik

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havent slept yet cause i'm too sick to lay low

plucky brook
manic bobcat
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Mostly yeah

plucky brook
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mostly cosmetic ^

loud lintel
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do you mean things like ||orpheus||?

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that was under work orders tho ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

plucky brook
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nope

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you'll just have to wait and see ^.^

manic bobcat
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There are some quests involving fixing and decorating things.

distant night
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huehuehue

loud lintel
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i see i see

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dont think ive gotten any of those yet

plucky brook
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the game is very good at elaborating things though, so it's not going to hide it from you when you should be doing stuff

loud lintel
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will i get them naturally or do i have to seek it out?

plucky brook
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Just make sure you're always talking to folks and increasing your relationship with them etc

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there are some key features of the game which are locked to dialogue, so don't ignore people worry_mask

distant night
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everything will come naturally as long as you read

manic bobcat
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don't ignore people
Speedrunners be like

distant night
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did you forget what vorime did in the gdq?

loud lintel
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ye i pretty much talk to everyone as much i can

manic bobcat
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I mean people literally have to pay 6k for that

distant night
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have you talked to shadebro yet?

manic bobcat
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Shadebro?

plucky brook
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shadebro POGGERS

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best fan

distant night
loud lintel
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is there a cap on relationships though? like do i have to give people more ||nectar|| to unlock additional dialogue?

distant night
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istg fox i cant read sarcasm rn

loud lintel
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cause ive only given 1 to everyone so far

plucky brook
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final boss: ||you have my permission to use companions in my fight||
also final boss: ||you're needed elsewhere meg, go away||

distant night
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your runs alone will unlock more dialogues

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but nectar will unlock stuff beyond new dialogue

manic bobcat
distant night
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how late is it

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i cant timezone

distant night
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UAFOHIJร–ODAK

manic bobcat
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5:11 AM

distant night
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BRO

manic bobcat
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Someone sends help.

distant night
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SLEEP

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if i werent sick istg

manic bobcat
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I would love to but y'all are too funny.

brazen lagoon
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go to bed bro

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5 AM? madness

distant night
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do you need darren to sing you a lullaby?

loud lintel
manic bobcat
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It's fine I'm on break. Grad school has me through worse.

distant night
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hahahaha 5am is madness? hahahaha totally doesnt look at the 11:11am clock

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still fox

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i am sick, i'm excused

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i did nothing but sleep for the last 3 days, lemme live

manic bobcat
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That's the opposite of excuse lol.

distant night
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hypnos has seen enough of my sorry ass

brazen lagoon
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i go to bed at 11pm bro yall need to fix your sleep schedules

distant night
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we havent had a sleep schedule since 2012

manic bobcat
distant night
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you probably die on lava too often

brazen lagoon
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resetting your sleep schedule is easy actually

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just dont sleep for 1 day and go to bed early after that

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youll wake up early, then just make sure to go to bed at the same time

distant night
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just yeet your sleeping schedule out the window farther, every time your life schedule hecks it up

brazen lagoon
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11pm-8am everyday for me

manic bobcat
brazen lagoon
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lets go

distant night
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:c

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poor fox

brazen lagoon
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go to bed at 12am and wake up at 9am

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healthiest sleep schedule

distant night
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i hope that was sarcasm

deep oasis
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Anyone who can tell whether or not they are ever going to release an extended soundtrack with all the bass line only tracks..?

distant night
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you literally HAVE to sleep between 9 and 11pm

floral flame
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I wish my boss would let me wake up at 9 am. Sounds like the dream

vapid fox
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I went to bed at 12am and I couldnt sleep past 04:30 am. must escape the underworld

distant night
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relateable

manic bobcat
brazen lagoon
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i mean 12am isnt that bad

distant night
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being a teach sucks sometimes

brazen lagoon
supple lodge
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i wish my class wouldn't start at 1pm so i could sleep shadegrief

deep oasis
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I don't; want to actually start disturbing folks for a silly question like that ๐Ÿ˜‚

distant night
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honestly the bass track seems plausible since the humming tracks from transistor are a thing

floral flame
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Darren is in here? O:

brazen lagoon
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pretty sure he is

manic bobcat
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He is.

distant night
deep oasis
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"Ey Darren, I've been in love with your stuff since Bastion and would love to have your babies but seriously.. about those bass lines.."

supple lodge
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Yup darren's here

brazen lagoon
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ey darren sick sideburns bro

manic bobcat
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Do it

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Send that verbatim

floral flame
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His voice has me ๐Ÿฅฐ

supple lodge
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Darren say it's time to get spooky in skellys voice

distant night
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darren send some of that sweet serotonin

deep oasis
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Daddy Korb

distant night
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NO

supple lodge
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CURSED

deep oasis
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Okay, let's not go there

floral flame
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LMAO

distant night
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btw just monika, i appreciate your nick

supple lodge
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honestly what I'd give to hear greg kasavin sing in hypnos' voice

brazen lagoon
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cant believe that a guy that looks like a homeless union general sounds like a posh englishman

distant night
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BROOOO

floral flame
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.

deep oasis
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HAHAH

distant night
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YES

floral flame
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You didn't omg

manic bobcat
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I want to hear Amir sing

distant night
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HYPNOS SINGING A LULLABY

supple lodge
distant night
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fox yEsS

manic bobcat
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Let our boy Amir have the spotlight SGG

distant night
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i want to know who jesse is

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yet they are always online

deep oasis
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Part of the crew, part of the ship

supple lodge
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Where's that video where amir roasts haelian

distant night
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WHAT

supple lodge
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that was majestic

distant night
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why?????????????????