h1-discussion

[hushed schooner]

cool

[distant night]

since it throws you back to the last savepoint

[hushed schooner]

so i can just restart the run?

[distant night]

yeah

i think the give up option is mainly there for when you or an enemy is stuck so it doesnt hurt your streak

[hushed schooner]

wdym stuck

[distant night]

sometimes some enemies can get stuck behind the outside walls

it's a very rare glitch but no game is perfect

[ornate bear]

huh, never seen that happen

[hushed schooner]

but its also there for if you just want to restart the run for whatever reaosn

[distant night]

it happened to me in elysium

of course

[arctic zenith]

same

[distant night]

if you feel like you forgot something

[ornate bear]

is it still possible to damage them outside the walls with certain attacks?

[distant night]

sometimes if you're very lucky

i was unlucky and had the sword that time

[supple lodge]

are you penalized for using god mode

[distant night]

wha

no you arent

[arctic zenith]

no

[supple lodge]

ahhh ok

[hushed schooner]

i have noticed it displays god mode clears separately form

[distant night]

your only penalty is that the game will feel especially hard when you turn it off muhahahah >:D

[hushed schooner]

non god mode

through runs where i forget to turn it off at the start

[supple lodge]

shhh god mode is for practicing

[hushed schooner]

like before

[supple lodge]

i need to learn how to dodge

[distant night]

ik ik

you still get no penalty for using it

[supple lodge]

or as my favourite boy puts it
"trying to move out of the way"

[distant night]

it's just mentioned int he administrative stats so you know how much better you got

[ornate bear]

||gilgamesh|| dodges are so fun combined with greatest reflex. just constant dodging forever basically

[supple lodge]

mmm

On my average no godmode run I can get up to ||phase 2 mr hades||

lol, pressed attack in the house and zag said "i only wish"

[ornate bear]

lol

[supple lodge]

wow i just talked to than in the house and he didn't disappear

what is this, a christmas miracle

[arctic zenith]

rare

[supple lodge]

christmas isn't even gonna be here for like

11 months

i cant believe the thanatos dialogue this time was actually normal

i was fully prepared for him to complain again

[wet nimbus]

Whoa I just encountered something insane

I got the legendary Poseidon boon as my starter 😂😂😂😂

I’ll take it lol.

[supple lodge]

grats, you have uncle fish blessing

[warm fable]

i just got 2nd clear

i got the first one last night

[arctic zenith]

uncle fish man

[supple lodge]

i gave thanatos nectar and he got mad

[warm fable]

i apparently am pretty good at killing ||hades||

[supple lodge]

im almost able to kick ||hades|| ass without godmode

[distant night]

:O

you go terry!!!!!!!!

[arctic zenith]

NICE

[supple lodge]

thanks haha

omg am i being called terry

[distant night]

thats your nick

idk how else to call you

[supple lodge]

this nickname was just a joke lmao, its a reference to the death accountant named terry from the movie soul

[distant night]

omfg

[arctic zenith]

OH

[supple lodge]

you can call me mendy or mendely, haha

[obsidian flint]

what weapon should i upgrade first with titans blood ? i cant beat hades. Any tips ?

[tender oxide]

What weapon do you like the most

[distant night]

well then, you go mendy, kick ||father dearest's|| ass!!!!!!!

[supple lodge]

hahahahaha

[obsidian flint]

the sword is kinda nice cuz of that lifesteal upgrade

[supple lodge]

also thanks to Terry i mentally hear it's Thanny time every time Thanatos appears

[obsidian flint]

i got to hades few times in a row with that

but he is quite hard with the sword i suppose

[supple lodge]

brb changing nick again

[hushed schooner]

got a briliant run so far

got epic divine dash

[distant night]

oh ok

[wet nimbus]

Poseidon gave me legendary fishy boon which is terrible since I’m not very good at fishing guess here is my chance to learn

[hushed schooner]

just beat meg easy

[distant night]

oh dang chloe thats a very nice saviour

[distant night]

be schwifty and if you see 3 fake bobs the next bob is 100% the fish!

[hushed schooner]

also rare divine strike and epic heartbreak flourish

[distant night]

good luck!

ohh which weapon?

[warm fable]

how do I unlock ||hidden aspects||

[wet nimbus]

Thanks

[hushed schooner]

fists

aspect of zagreus

[distant night]

there is a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion

[arctic zenith]

no matter how much i look at the hypnos bond forged icon it just looks like his hands peeking out of the badge/portrait thing.

[distant night]

he wanna hug bro 👀

[supple lodge]

makes it cuter imo

[arctic zenith]

YES

[wet nimbus]

Nice tip @distant night

[distant night]

sure thing

[wet nimbus]

I needed that since I’m not very good at fishing 😂

[distant night]

i feel you bro, got my first legendary 200h in

[ornate bear]

also for fishing, it's better to pay attention to the sound rather than watching for the bob to drop - auditory reflexes are faster than visual reflexes

[wet nimbus]

This is is insane since it was my first boon no prerequisites

I was like whoa that happened

[ornate bear]

I had that happen once too

[hushed schooner]

this is destroying asphodel so far

[supple lodge]

uncle fish gives you big catch

[supple lodge]

what's the build 👀

[distant night]

it's a scripted boon

[wet nimbus]

I used sword for mine and shield

[distant night]

like athena being the first ever boon you get

[wet nimbus]

I tried both and they worked

[distant night]

the first 10 runs i think are all with scripted first boons

[wet nimbus]

I think they should create the three fates as an npc honestly

I think I would be a neat idea

[hushed schooner]

well eurydice chamber next

this is going be amazing

[distant night]

idk if that would be possible

since the three fates arent always portrayed to be in the underworld

[arctic zenith]

what is the requirement for the “made friends along the way” flavor text on the clear screen

[distant night]

and yaboi has a hard time stayin outside the walls

[distant night]

visit every npc

[wet nimbus]

They are protrayed as ghosts

[distant night]

i think that was it, one sec ima check

[supple lodge]

like, every npc in the entire run?

[arctic zenith]

ah, okay then ty

[wet nimbus]

You can see them portraying deaths

[supple lodge]

including at home?

[warm fable]

going to try ||extreme measures 1||

[supple lodge]

lmao I love how Thanny looks when he's at the House

[distant night]

all 3

[supple lodge]

Mans just in his corner of shame, sulking

[supple lodge]

ohh i see

[distant night]

in tart, asphodel, elysium

[supple lodge]

seems doable

[distant night]

it very much is

it's more doable than the fountain goer subtext

[supple lodge]

Damn the contractor should get a lounge chair in Than's corner so he can sulk more comfortably

If he's gonna sulk on the job he might as well do it in the lap of luxury

[hushed schooner]

onto elysium

[supple lodge]

vapourize Theseus for me

[distant night]

sulky boi

all the happiness and optimism is stored in hypnos

[hushed schooner]

right we got a mid asterius battle

hooray

[supple lodge]

let me romance the sleepy sunshine boi

[arctic zenith]

yes

[supple lodge]

asterius is honestly a cool dude i feel bad for killing him

at least i know hes ok afterward

[arctic zenith]

THESEUS HOWEVER

[distant night]

well he likes the fighting

he even says "thx for the sparring"

[supple lodge]

I wish a miniboss encounter was Theseus lmao

[arctic zenith]

^

[supple lodge]

like, imagine walking into a room and we've apparently interrupted Theseus practicing his bragging in front of a mirror

[hushed schooner]

poseidons aid

:)

[supple lodge]

lmao i bought the administrative rights to the admin room

Than's just "you're going back there????"

yes I am than,, I need to find the document that lets me reunite pat and achilles

[distant night]

he can probably feel the pain of the shades when you are releasing one of your very "motivating" talks

[supple lodge]

haha

need to become hypnos 2.0

[distant night]

awwwwwwww

[hushed schooner]

decision

do i go

daedalus hammer

or trial with poseidon and aphrodite

[arctic zenith]

what weapon?

[hushed schooner]

malphon fists

probably daedalus hammer tbh

[arctic zenith]

i go hammer

[hushed schooner]

dont wanna risk this run

[supple lodge]

Lol all the when Zag tries to motivate the shades in the admin toom

[arctic zenith]

i love that

[hushed schooner]

ok only 130 health for bosses but i do have 4 dashes and divine dash

and multiple weak effects

[supple lodge]

"at least youre not working with me right"

some of the shades went ..... what does this mean

lmao Than must be wondering why I'm walking in and out of the admin room

[distant night]

they were probably watching youtube on their shadephones

and they felt called out when you thought they are working

[hollow thunder]

There are many different weapons in Hades
Each one plays completely differently from the others, to the point where choosing a different weapon might as well be tantamount to choosing a different character

[arctic zenith]

re-arm thing phone

[supple lodge]

glad you don't have to get weapons in a predatory gacha system

[hushed schooner]

done

[supple lodge]

niceee

now vaporize ||daddy||

[hollow thunder]

Each weapon has a different playstyle that you have to work with
But you are encouraged to try them all out due to the bonus system that gives you extra stuff if you use a certain weapon

[arctic zenith]

EPIC THAN SCYTHE

[supple lodge]

Imagine having to roll a gacha for god boons

Wait

[hollow thunder]

And I really like that; it's an elaboration on Bastion's weapon system, with the weapons being made even more diverse

[supple lodge]

Technically every run is rolling a gacha

[distant night]

rare meg whip? ;)

[iron badge]

guys what was the rule about trial of the good rooms and duo boons?

[supple lodge]

We can't escape the gacha

[arctic zenith]

yes

[iron badge]

if there's a demeter vs zeus room, can i still get the demeter artemis duo?

[distant night]

trial of god chambers dont give duos at all

[iron badge]

damn

[ornate bear]

it's funny using their own Call against them in trials though

[distant night]

you can only get normal, trade and legendary boons in there but duos dont spawn

[supple lodge]

@arctic zenith this is random but your avatar reminded me that I was tempted to draw celeste/hades crossover fanart

[arctic zenith]

do it

[supple lodge]

thanny telling zagdeline that he won't make it out of here, he's not an escape artist

[arctic zenith]

nice

[hollow thunder]

I have only one criticism about the game so far
It's not a big deal, it's just something I guess I'm not used to

[hushed schooner]

time for redacted

[supple lodge]

My one criticism is no Hypnos romance option and not having enough hands to pat all 3 of Cerberus heads

[hollow thunder]

In Bastion, when you use the bow, you can still move a tiny bit; it's very slow, but you can move
In Hades, the bow locks you in place, crippling your ability to dodge attacks

[hushed schooner]

i'm alowed to say redacted right

[supple lodge]

yooo good luck! kick ass

yeah saying redacted is gucci

[hollow thunder]

Weird question: Can you romance Dusa?
Just curious, is all

[distant night]

thats why you dash-strike bow always

[hushed schooner]

500 damage per hit with poseidon call and i can hit 3 hits in

[distant night]

maybe ;)

[supple lodge]

||She'd rather stay friends||

[ornate bear]

Dusa is so precious

she is best girl

[supple lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624592357257510933/795373154943762442/unknown.png

lmao @ thanatos propaganda poster

[distant night]

OHSO THATS WHY HE FEELS IT

OOOOOOOO

[hollow thunder]

I agree with Thanny Time, Hypnos is best boy

[supple lodge]

he feels what,

[supple lodge]

it depends on which thanny you're agreeing with hahahahaha

[hollow thunder]

@supple lodge You

[supple lodge]

the one from the game probably doesn't like hypnos all that much

hahahahaha i see

[hushed schooner]

right that was a almost perfect run

could have got another duo boon if id realised what another boon did properly

ill post it in victory

[supple lodge]

aighto...changed my discord username to Mendely (finally)

damn i wish thanatos propaganda poster could be purchased for zag room lmao

its so funny

[distant night]

lol your status with your nick here is fun

terry thanny time lads

[supple lodge]

(kiwi accent) That's right, Thanatos did it! It's THANNY TIME

[distant night]

:)

[supple lodge]

Hypnos, we got a problem! The count's OFF

[arctic zenith]

now, does that mean there are multiple hypnos’?

[supple lodge]

👀

[arctic zenith]

i mean terry is the only one with a different name while the others are jerry

i for one, would welcome multiple hypnos’

[distant night]

soul 👀

[supple lodge]

multiple hypnos just standing around the house commenting on different things

[distant night]

omg noooooo

[arctic zenith]

YES

[distant night]

not enough arms to hug them all

[supple lodge]

yeeeeee (i made a drawing of that and posted it on twitter hahaha)

[arctic zenith]

oh no

[arctic zenith]

OH NO

[distant night]

WHERE

[hushed schooner]

i love how im renovating the lounge

with like a fish bowl and hades is so angry about it

[distant night]

welcome to hades the house renovating simulator

[supple lodge]

@distant night I'll DM you the link hahaha

[supple lodge]

you should see his reaction when you buy the aphrodite pinup

[hushed schooner]

i should get that

itsonly 90 gems

[distant night]

the aquarium tells you how many fish you have ;)

[ornate bear]

I love nudging the sculptures I added to the west wing

[hushed schooner]

i have caught

36 fish

:)

[distant night]

:D

[supple lodge]

must get more fish, make uncle fish proud

[distant night]

UNCLE FISH

[arctic zenith]

UNCLE FISH

uncle fish best uncle

[distant night]

https://tenor.com/view/love-fish-shark-gif-18105203

[arctic zenith]

yes

[distant night]

who needs baby shark when you can have uncle shark

[supple lodge]

i underestimated uncle fish

his duo boon with zeus: fun

@arctic zenith @distant night your nicknames are matching ahaha

[distant night]

meow

[arctic zenith]

hello

[supple lodge]

gosh a lot of people with artemis in their server name

[distant night]

yes

[arctic zenith]

good

[distant night]

we all simp for the goddess of the hunt

[hushed schooner]

artemis lesbian

[arctic zenith]

yes

[distant night]

btw, artemis good have you seen artemis with short hair?

[arctic zenith]

no

[supple lodge]

i like her with her braid

[arctic zenith]

also just call me lu

[distant night]

ok, hi lu would you like to see artemis with short hair?

[arctic zenith]

YES

[torn geyser]

Guess I will only be the 1000th person to suggest we need an Axe weapon and Aspect of Asterius, but damn do we. Such a bro. Could be earth elemental too, maybe.

[brisk trail]

What do you get for continuing to gift a god after the initial one, anything?

[arctic zenith]

||late game story stuff||

[brisk trail]

Ok nothing to directly help with combat?

any tips for theseus

and minotaur

[distant night]

some characters do

[arctic zenith]

take out asterius first

[brisk trail]

any other tips

[distant night]

you can bait asterius into a direction and dash through him to backstab him without taking damage

also try to seperate the two so you dont have to dodge theseus' spears

[ornate bear]

when fighting Theseus alone just stand out in the open, dodge his spear, then attack him as he turns around, then dodge back

[hushed schooner]

i have been petting cerberus for like

10 minutes straight

[distant night]

for theseus: get a nice call, fill the god gauge up and when he enters second phase unleash the greater call

most greater calls get rid of theseus completely

[brisk trail]

I really like the Chaos God and running his rune

[distant night]

in like a few seconds

[brisk trail]

It's probably bad but I enjoy it, I just got a lucky one

[distant night]

kile artemis call can do that, or dio call, or zeus call i guess

[arctic zenith]

if using ||shady|| you can have him bull rush into darkness

[distant night]

aphro of course too, i forgot

[ornate bear]

Aphrodite only takes off like a quarter of his health though - he's got around like 10k health

[iron badge]

is there a specific thing i have to do to ||reunite achilles and pat?||

i'm over a hundred hours into the game and i swear i've made no progress on that...

i'm still stuck at lock icons too...

[arctic zenith]

||do you have nyx at 5 hearts?||

[wet nimbus]

Same my last heart is locked for ambrosia

[iron badge]

||she's full||

[arctic zenith]

oh

[iron badge]

yeah

kinda baffling that i've done all i can

but i still haven't triggered what i supposedly need to

[wet nimbus]

Some don’t give anything but a ____

||they give a bond||^

Some give ||pets||^

[iron badge]

yeah that's what i'm still trying to get

on that note... how do you get rid of the later locks on ||cerberus and hypnos even?||

[arctic zenith]

||pet cerberus 20 times the talk to him||

[hushed schooner]

going for a heat 2 shield run

[lethal panther]

"Mur... Murder?" "No! No murder!"

[hushed schooner]

hopefully it goes well

[lethal panther]

Tisephone is the best fury prove me wrong

[brisk trail]

what do slightly red poms of power do

[ornate bear]

"murderzer!"

[lethal panther]

I dont know ive never seen one

[lethal panther]

Good luck!

[tender oxide]

The poms that don’t have the full pom next to them do a random boon instead of giving you a choice if that’s what you’re asking

[novel wasp]

Demeter with a bazooka when

"Today I will storm the hell"

[mint forum]

AAAA

I FINALLY DID IT

I BEAT THESUS

OR WHOEVER

FINALL

Y

[gilded leaf]

congrats!!

[distant night]

congrats!!!!!!

omg how'd it go?!?!?

[ornate bear]

Nice! you beat the thesaurus!

[supple lodge]

Now go back and kick his ass so many times he runs to his minotaur friend crying

[mint forum]

lmao

I just barely survived

I'm finally figuring out his attack pattern

and now I died to a rat

[upbeat cedar]

I hate his shield

And his looks

And his voice

Everything about him

I hate it

[hushed schooner]

i think ive made a mistake

[upbeat cedar]

[supple lodge]

He looks like the chad meme except Greek

[hushed schooner]

i have 249 max health at the end of asphodel

[supple lodge]

The rats in Styx are annoying

[merry current]

I call him bootleg Achilies

[supple lodge]

I don't wanna die to the rats because Hypnos will probably laugh at me if I do

[upbeat cedar]

Which rat

The big one

[supple lodge]

All of them

[upbeat cedar]

Or small ones

[ornate bear]

or the tiny one

[upbeat cedar]

Small ones, just pick poseidon dash

[supple lodge]

||what about the tiny rat boss||

[upbeat cedar]

Poseidon dash works really well on styx

[merry current]

I feel like the rats in Stx are one of the easy parts

[supple lodge]

Hypnos has a cute laugh but if he laughs at me I am sad

[merry current]

but thats just me

[upbeat cedar]

Yeah same

[ornate bear]

tbh ||tiny vermin|| was never a problem to me - I've never died to it even when I first fought it

[upbeat cedar]

I don't have a hard time dealing with the rats. The serpent that shoots lasers are annoying tho

[merry current]

I do all the chambers to get as much gold as possible

[supple lodge]

||Tiny vermin made me waste a death defiance||

[supple lodge]

easy for you to say when you can nuke enemies for 9999 damage /s

(sorry i saw your thanatos icon i had to make that joke)

[merry current]

True

Too busy stealing kills off Zagreus so he cant beat me by 15 and get the achivement

[distant night]

aww

hypnos and than talkin like real siblings

today is a good day

[hushed schooner]

just cauhgt a seamare

[distant night]

:o

they are pretty

[merry current]

I had shields so much

[vocal ridge]

hey

is there anyway to go home in the middle of a run

without dying i mean

[tender oxide]

No

[vocal ridge]

ok

[tender oxide]

If you choose quit in the middle of a run it saves though

[vocal ridge]

no i dont want that

[supple lodge]

you gotta get a room clear first before you can save ur progress

oh wait you meant go to the house of hades

[vocal ridge]

yeah

[true bridge]

what's the diference between a catch and the perfect catch?

timing?

drops?

[gilded leaf]

timing

but i think you get rarer fish with a perfect

[tender oxide]

Timing and luck

[true bridge]

thank you

[tender oxide]

I think if you respond within the first .35 seconds it has the highest chance to be the rarest fish

[ornate bear]

0.3 seconds I think

it's super strict

[hushed schooner]

elysium down

[true bridge]

so pay more attention to the fish

[hushed schooner]

got 327 max health

[tender oxide]

Dang

[hushed schooner]

no

361

basically i have that nectar dionyuss one

and the aprhodite one that boosts max healthg ain

[tender oxide]

Did you take every centaur heart

[hushed schooner]

no

do i go for the 50 health centaur heart for the jokes

[ornate bear]

My max health one time was like 460 when I finished

it was nuts

[tender oxide]

Yes

[hushed schooner]

ok i have

429 max health

and like

this is a ridicolous run

[tender oxide]

Your death defiance will fill more health than my max health usually is lol

[trail quest]

hi all thinking about getting this but im new to pc controls and roguelikes both....how hard is it?

[merry fulcrum]

enjoyably hard

[gilded leaf]

difficult but you get better steadily

[merry fulcrum]

^

[tender oxide]

It gets easier as you play more and if you’re really struggling you can use god mode

[gilded leaf]

if you're having trouble theres also god mode

[trail quest]

whats god mode

[tender oxide]

And there’s controller support on pc too

You take less damage

[trail quest]

no controller unfortunately

[gilded leaf]

a box you tick in settings, gives you 20% base damage reduction and 2% more each time you die

[trail quest]

oh really i should try that then is there difficulty options like easy normal hard etc

[merry fulcrum]

the steady improvement as you continue to throw yourself at it is practically a plot point

[tender oxide]

Nope

[gilded leaf]

no but god mode is kinda like an easy mode

[trail quest]

ok

[gilded leaf]

and you can uncheck it if it gets too easy

[merry fulcrum]

as for the roguelike part there's just enough RNG to keep runs from feeling stale

[tender oxide]

If I were you I’d wait to turn it on until like 30 runs if you still aren’t making progress

[merry fulcrum]

and after some experience you can make it work in your favor reliably

[tender oxide]

And dying is good too because you can advance story

[trail quest]

does god mode affect drops or achieves etc?

[tender oxide]

No

[trail quest]

nice

can u get perma upgrades or is it full roguelike

[merry fulcrum]

you get perma upgrades

[tender oxide]

There’s perma upgrades

[supple lodge]

perma upgrades and a lot of them

[trail quest]

nice

[merry fulcrum]

some of the perma upgrades themselves are what let you work the RNG into your favor lol

[tender oxide]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/vIXBD7wOrc3RDawt24PSzpcRNDmsnR34_1xSMGjgVx0/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/EqbMFRsVoAAo9If.jpg%3Alarge

There’s a lot of voice lines too

[trail quest]

wow

[merry fulcrum]

yeah there's dialogue for damn near everything that happens

and it's what makes losing not feel bad

cuz you return to the hub world and everyone has something new to say

[trail quest]

have any of you actually got to the end

[merry fulcrum]

yes

[supple lodge]

120 for Charon? That's a lot of different ways to say HRRRRRRGGGGHhh

[tender oxide]

Yes

[trail quest]

nice

[merry fulcrum]

there is a definite end-point to the story

[tender oxide]

And there’s a lot more story after you beat it

[hushed schooner]

got like 4 achievements just then

[cloud apex]

Man, zagreus is such a talkative guy apparently

[merry fulcrum]

well he is the one holding conversation with every other character

on a side note i have to ask

you the Terraria CrabBar?

[tender oxide]

There’s a YouTube linked in their account

[merry fulcrum]

ballin

[trail quest]

woot installing it now 😄

you guys play with kbm or controller

[merry fulcrum]

kbm

[tender oxide]

Controller

[median schooner]

Tisiphone has voicelines ?

[merry fulcrum]

Zagreus murderer! >:C

[tender oxide]

Murder

[trail quest]

do you get to select certain weapons maybe or is it all random

[merry fulcrum]

you get 6 weapons

[trail quest]

which is easiest for a noob like me

[merry fulcrum]

each with 4 different forms to change the playstyle

[tender oxide]

At the beginning you only have sword unlocked

[trail quest]

oh

[tender oxide]

You can unlock the rest pretty quickly though

[merry fulcrum]

ye

[tender oxide]

Go for keys if you can

[merry fulcrum]

just look for the Keys

[trail quest]

so explore whole area?

[tender oxide]

Each area has one reward

It shows you the reward for the next arena at the door to it and sometimes there’ll be more than one option

I’d recommend shield if you wanna play it safe, but my personal favorites are fists and gun because they’re fast

[hushed schooner]

i think i'm best with the shield and spear

[merry fulcrum]

bow babyyyyyyyyy

[hushed schooner]

i do like the bow

the spear and shield just my favourite to play with

[tender oxide]

Meh bow is ok

[thin socket]

||EM levels 1(tartarus) , 2 is (aspho) 3 is elys isn it?||

[tender oxide]

Yes but spoiler tag that please

[thin socket]

thanks

[tender oxide]

||Each new level also has the last ones too||

[chilly dock]

||JUT BEAT THE SECOND PHASE OF HADES FOR THE FIRST TIME LETS GOOO||

[trail quest]

about to start it up wish me luck dudes

[chilly dock]

2 ends of the spectrum

[thin socket]

i see. ||if i choose only 2 EM , workin tartarus and aspho then?||

[tender oxide]

Yes

[thin socket]

ok

[tropic arrow]

I asked about the max possible bonus of the Family Favorite effect

[tender oxide]

What’s that one again

[tropic arrow]

It turns out that it's possible to get it to a crazy 40% buff even the default pool is 4 gods only

[trail quest]

what should i do on pc about aim assist attack and dash at cursor?

[tropic arrow]

Pics are not allowed in this channel I suppose?

[tender oxide]

You can upload them to Imgur I think and put the link

Discord should imbed the image

[merry fulcrum]

aim assist can help for the small enemies or just get in the way when aiming into a crowd so it's personal preference

dashing toward cursor is bad tho

[trail quest]

what about attack at cursor i think id rather attack where im facing

[tropic arrow]

https://imgur.com/KtaeI9d

[merry fulcrum]

i use attack at cursor

[tender oxide]

That’s... a lot of boons

[merry fulcrum]

Favored and Envied

[thin socket]

he's lucky 🙂

[tropic arrow]

People don't commonly go that way?

Idk I just don't like normal rarity

Kind of a bummer to see normal

[tender oxide]

If I’m not mistaken the game gives you more boons while you don’t have attack, special, and cast slot filled

[merry fulcrum]

i thought that was the subtitle for runs with a ton of Boons

[tropic arrow]

Oh

[thin socket]

||thankfully eurydice can change rarity||

[tropic arrow]

I thought you were talking about the second last the third last mirror options

[tropic arrow]

|| Not as much as demeter||

[tender oxide]

Eurydice gave me 25% dodge chance from upgrading Hermes’ boon once

[trail quest]

omg i love the bow!!!

[strange adder]

which rail upgrade makes it so that your attack has low range?

[ornate bear]

is there anything that determines how many enemies will spawn in a room? sometimes I'll only have to kill like 6-8 enemies, whereas other times I'll have to clear multiple waves with a total of 30+ enemies in a single room (this is without ||Jury Summons||)

[strange adder]

i believe some enemies keep spawning over and over if you don't kill a specific enemy

an example would be ||styx miniboss encounters where the small vermin keep spawning over and over if you dont kill the miniboss||

||butterfly ball miniboss is another one too||

[ornate bear]

yeah I get that, but I'm just talking regular encounters

[strange adder]

it applies to that as well

[thin socket]

like skull mob. you need to kill the nest 🙂

[hushed schooner]

butterfly ball is evil

they don't deserve elysium

they should be in the depths of chaos

[strange adder]

||the miniboss encounter ||is really easy though

[runic agate]

E

Hello guys

[brisk trail]

I feel lile shield is soooo op

Like

It can literally block every hades attack(maybe thats just me tho bc im on heat 1)

[runic agate]

Sheild is fine have you seen Eris aspect?

[brisk trail]

E

[runic agate]

Eris is broken

[brisk trail]

No i havent yet

[runic agate]

Stop stealing my thing

It's my whole gimmick

[olive sigil]

Typing like that must be rough lol

[slow quarry]

for the aspect of hera

what is the most fun casty

cast to use

[distant night]

mEow

[mint forum]

Do you guys have any general tips to fi ish the game? I really wanna try out some of the hidden aspects

[dire solar]

wtf hades hidden gem confirmed

[misty harbor]

is there a constant speed bonus when you max out your relationships with Hermes? Either that or I've just played this game too much and everything seems faster now

[tender oxide]

If you use his keepsake you gain speed

[misty harbor]

yeah but i was without it

guess I should take a break then lol

[manic bobcat]

You can cheese the game by resetting until you find Triple Bomb

Put Deadly Flourish on it. Spam special

[thin socket]

yeah you should , soon you will see the aphrodite in your dream: p or hermes in your case

[misty harbor]

oh I'm glad you edited it lol

[mint forum]

for what weapon?

[manic bobcat]

Rail

Mb

Triple Bomb is rail exclusive

[misty harbor]

I don't know, I used to hate his boons at first but then I realized

[manic bobcat]

It's a hammer

[mint forum]

ah alr

[thorn panther]

Hello,

I have already completed the game more than 10 times, but I still do not have the hidden spear (legendary) or the other legendary weapons, Achilles never speaks to me about the spear, how to do?

[lethal island]

Pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[brisk trail]

Idk where to put this so if this doesn’t belong here I’m sorry, I’m new to the server lol
I just gotta say I love hades. I like playing it when I feel sad Hypnos is my favorite character lol i relate to him a lot-
That is all

[hasty lichen]

How does zag know what the five second rule is

[brisk trail]

We do not question these things

[hasty lichen]

Fair

[misty harbor]

why wouldn't he, it's a divine rule

[hushed schooner]

question

[hasty lichen]

True

[hushed schooner]

how do i unlock some prophechies on the fates list

including the one for chaos boons (not debuffs)

[misty harbor]

also, nutmeg, your profile picture is divine too

[hushed schooner]

and war gods bloodlust

[misty harbor]

I believe you unlock them by giving them nectar first, if that's what you mean

[lethal island]

I think that one is based on Ares’s affinity (gifting him enough nectar) but don’t quote me on that

[hasty lichen]

Thank you she really truly is

[hushed schooner]

ah

[arctic zenith]

alright, im back

[misty harbor]

and actually yes that is the truth, Ellen

[hushed schooner]

that would make sense i havent giftedhim too much nectar yet

i have the poseidon prophecy of fishing fulfilled

and he might have more nectar? idk

or if that was triggered by fishing

[dreamy rune]

Bruh I’ve been trying to beat the first boss and I’m at 40 attempts

[misty harbor]

the very-very first one?

[manic bobcat]

It's ok keep at it :D

[dreamy rune]

Yes the very very first one

[manic bobcat]

Do you know you can upgrade the mirror?

and other stuff that can help you out?

[dreamy rune]

I have 4K dark

[cobalt haven]

it's alright!! just be patient and don't rush the fight too much

[dreamy rune]

But idk what’s to do with it

[manic bobcat]

haha

go to your bedroom

[cobalt haven]

you know the mirror in your room?

[manic bobcat]

look to the left

there is a mirror

[cobalt haven]

you can use the darkness to upgrade different talents!

[manic bobcat]

interact with it to see what you've been missing out :D

[pliant sparrow]

how does one cheese the game w/o taking a ton of time suiciding

[manic bobcat]

it's a balancing act

[lethal island]

By not getting hit obviously

[manic bobcat]

but resetting for triple bomb can be faster than trying to make the run

especially when you are new

hence it's a "cheese"

[pliant sparrow]

it takes like 5-10 suicides just to get hammer

and then it might not even be triple bomb

instead you can spend the time learning about the game and bosses

[manic bobcat]

what s your definition of cheese?

[pliant sparrow]

something that makes the game a lot easier

which getting triple bomb does not

[lethal island]

Nemesis Sword Artemis attack Aphro Special Heart Rend

[manic bobcat]

that's... not what cheese is

we have different definition of cheese

[pliant sparrow]

if you're a beginner, getting a hammer won't magically make you be able to clear

[lethal island]

Cheese is a cheap tactic you can use that’s easy and semi effective

[manic bobcat]

we can agree to disagree then

nothing is hard about dashing around and spamming special at long range

you just need time

and without TD

you have time.

[misty harbor]

honestly not rushing each level while keeping the Butterfly keepsake really helped me to keep myself more patient and not rushing the levels, thus receiving more damage

[pliant sparrow]

you can literally make the same argument about any ranged weapon

[lethal island]

I always played with Butterfly at the beginning of the game

[pliant sparrow]

"nothing is hard about dashing around and spamming zeus attack"

"therefore, eris is cheese"

[manic bobcat]

except attacking grounds you

same with charging bow

it takes less time to throw a rail special

[pliant sparrow]

not really, you still go faster than the boss

[lethal island]

Butterfly keepsake is a really nice way of seeing your improvements

[misty harbor]

oh I only got Than like after 20 escapes or something, I used to use Cerberus's keepsake first

[manic bobcat]

and you do more damage

you know, im not going to argue this

[pliant sparrow]

ok

[manic bobcat]

if you have something better, ping the person who asked and let them know

I stand by what I said

[pliant sparrow]

if you can show me any new player who can suddenly magically get his first clear with a single hammer without learning basic game mechanics, let me know

[manic bobcat]

any new player
The person comments suggest they are not entirely new. They knew about hidden aspects which means they have same understanding. They are not completely new.
with a single hammer
I never said they have to limit themselves to one hammer or one boon. Don't put words in my mouth. Triple Bomb helps doesn't mean you can only take Triple Bomb.
without learning basic game mechanics
Again, read up the first point.

[pliant sparrow]

The person comments suggest they are not entirely new.
the fact that they havent gotten first clear suggests they don't fully know boss mechanics
with a single hammer
yes, you did. you literally suggested that if they took this one hammer - regardless of the build around it - hammers or not - learning boss movesets or not, they would suddenly be able to win a run

kinda harmful for player cuz ur literally encouraging them to not get better at the game while also having them waste time suiciding for a single hammer

[manic bobcat]

lmao. keeping making a straw man and beat it. this is my last response to you. like I said, they didn't delete their comments and you can look up to who I responded to. If you truly think what I said is harmful, ping the person who asked and correct or ping a mod, I couldn't care less.
My advice is simple, you can cheese the game by getting Triple Bomb, even if it means you have to reset for it, and Deadly Flourish. Interpret that however you will.

[misty harbor]

I'm just gonna say that Zag's words when he was giving his last ambrosia to Hermes and his response when he gives you his boons after this is one of the cutest things I've ever seen in my life

it's very close to Zag's fan shade

[distant night]

hermes best coz

(sorry athena)

[arctic zenith]

correct

[tender oxide]

You mean Artemis

[distant night]

shh

i dont see her as coz but bestie

[arctic zenith]

WELL

[distant night]

artemis is best bestie

hermes is best coz

[arctic zenith]

yes

[distant night]

the artemis simps fans agree

[tender oxide]

Speaking of hermes is his last Heart unlocked like Artemis’s where I just need to keep talking to him

[distant night]

no you need to wear his keepsake maxed and talk to him

[arctic zenith]

||upgrade his keepsake to max||

[distant night]

it might take a few runs tho for him to notice

[tender oxide]

Ohhh ok

[distant night]

and talk to him about ||milk cartons||

[arctic zenith]

WOAH TOO FAR FOR THIS CHANNEL

[misty harbor]

you don't need to wear it when you meet him tho, can do it anytime and meet him on your next escape, for example

[distant night]

no?

[misty harbor]

definitely not

tried it myself

[distant night]

||Hermes' favor requires speaking with him while having the Lambent Plume equipped and max leveled. ||

literally says have it equipped

[misty harbor]

well guess it's wrong

[arctic zenith]

oh boy than time

[tender oxide]

||Kinda like how for most hidden aspects you don’t actually need the weapon equipped to get the dialog||

[distant night]

but thats his favor

else you'd get his favor done way sooner without asking

[misty harbor]

I'd read it somewhere else that you don't have to have it so that's what I did and it worked

[distant night]

even when i asked le mods when i didnt have his favor 250h in they said you need it equipped

sounds more like a bug to me?

[tender oxide]

Maybe you need to talk to him with it equipped once and he can then give the dialog later without it

[misty harbor]

maybe or maybe I'm being foolish and forgot that I had it with me... but I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to keep it just to stumble upon Hermes

[distant night]

||... equipped and and max level||

🤔

[tender oxide]

I mean I’d keep it equipped anyways it’s a really good keepsake

I used it my first time today with max zag fists and had a 60% dodge chance by the time I reached the final boss

[misty harbor]

geez, Poseidon's Breaking Wave with Second Wave is just brutal. I got 268 damage for the former

at the last floor you basically dash through the halls to complete a fight within a few seconds

[arctic zenith]

artemis is friend : )

[gilded nebula]

Until you take the other God's boon

[misty harbor]

I really don't remember the last time I loved a new game as much as Hades, and that's considering I've never played a roguelike in my entire 23y, what a great job

[gilded nebula]

This game is revolutionary for me

[sage jackal]

I avoid having to choose between boons, i wanna be on all the gods’ good sides

[gilded nebula]

I've never seen such good dialogue

They stop being mad after you clear the room

[sage jackal]

Idc it still hurts the few dialogue lines they are mad

[gilded nebula]

[alpine herald]

why is my fated authority not working? it shows i get +1 when i pick up key, and it was working before, but it just stopped, no more prompt to reroll in front of a room

[brisk trail]

Okay FELT THAT HONESTLY

[alpine herald]

are there any ppl here who deal with bug reporting?

it's kinda messing up my runs

[viscid moss]

you sure you didnt switch to fated persuasion?

[pliant sparrow]

shop, story rooms, cant be rerolled

[viscid moss]

^that too, but itll mention that it can't in the tooltip

[distant night]

hermes rooms cant be rerolled either

[alpine herald]

@viscid moss oh wait so if i switch it to persuasion i can't get authority even from the keys?

[distant night]

at least it said so in the description

[viscid moss]

itll give you persuasion keys

[alpine herald]

ohhhhhhhh

[distant night]

no those are different mirror aspects

[pliant sparrow]

[distant night]

you just get dice

[alpine herald]

i gotcha

i thought the keys always give authority

[tender oxide]

Whichever one you have is what you get from the key chamber

[viscid moss]

they give you more rerolls for whichever mirror aspect you have

[mint forum]

holy

the ||railgun|| is rlly fun

[viscid moss]

spoilers

for new players please

[pliant sparrow]

railgun isnt a spoiler

u unlock it before you first clear

[viscid moss]

mmmm, its still a surprise when you see it for the first time

i definitely didnt expect it

[distant night]

it'sonly deemed a spoiler if you definitively have somebody in chat who hasnt come that far

but it isnt a spoiler else at all

[viscid moss]

its just that this chat might have newbies lurking, there's no real reason to not add spoiler tags

takes ||two seconds|| to add

anyone know if devs are reconsidering dlc since the game did so well?

[distant night]

no new info on that

even if this channel can have newbs lurking, i hope they rather go for the new player appropriate channel

spoilering in very heated discussions is hard

[gilded nebula]

Wish the game won GOTY instead of that crap

[median schooner]

GOTY is announced ?

[viscid moss]

thats fair i suppose

[gilded nebula]

Yeah some time ago I think lol

[manic bobcat]

Steam GOTY

[viscid moss]

steam ones, yea, a couple hours ago

[manic bobcat]

Hades lost to RDR2

[pliant sparrow]

yah dunno why such an old game won over the 99% rated steam game

[manic bobcat]

because Steam award is mostly for fun tbh

[viscid moss]

more people voted for it, simple as that

[gilded nebula]

I meant game awards goty

[distant night]

steam awards more like meme awards

[gilded nebula]

Where the last of us won 🤢

[viscid moss]

its super hard for indie game to win, since a lot of people only buy a couple games a year, and they're more likely to go for widely popular AAA

[pliant sparrow]

tbh that isnt too suprising tho, given that mainly industry people voted on the games

[gilded nebula]

It's not at all

[distant night]

still hades almost got every gamer news' goty award

[manic bobcat]

it's 2021

[distant night]

kinda really cute

[gilded nebula]

Everyone knew what would win and everyone was disappointed lol

[distant night]

welcome

[pliant sparrow]

the fact that tlou2 swept in best direction and action adventure kinda just proves how rigged the game awards were

[gilded nebula]

Didn't it win like accesibility awards or smth like that

While being an exclusive

[pliant sparrow]

accessibility as in for people with disabilities

[distant night]

yes but guys

[pliant sparrow]

it did a great job apparently

for that

[distant night]

lets not talk about tlou2 in the hades channel

[manic bobcat]

yeah but it was well deserved

[viscid moss]

accessibility for impaired gamers, which is a very good reason to applaud it

[gilded nebula]

Oh

I thought it meant smth different ok

[manic bobcat]

there was one blind person who finished the game unassisted. which is really impressive for both the player and the game.

[craggy barn]

tlou2 may have won the awards but hades is what gave people boners

[tiny tundra]

As a person who’s socially awkward and has trouble understanding people, I didn’t think the game was well optimized for my needs. Personally, I think the writers should have made a good story so that I could understand anything about the characters.

For real, though, TLOU2 does have very good accessibility features despite being substellar in a lot of other ways.

[cobalt wigeon]

what are skelly's presents?

[merry current]

I still havent beaten the game once

[prisma wind]

Should do the challenge to find out what they are, Loki

[cobalt wigeon]

what challenge?

the pact?

[merry current]

Im simping for meg before I give other people nectar

[craggy barn]

8 ||heat||

[cobalt wigeon]

oof

[hexed shore]

||8 is easy turn on fo2 and middle management|| ||/s||

[tiny tundra]

I don’t know that Hades was my game of the year, but, in fairness, there wasn’t too much stiff competition.

I’d give it to The Wonderful 101: Remastered, but that is technically a remaster. Beyond that, not sure. I think Hades has its issues, but it’s a very, very fantastic game.

[distant night]

excuse me what

[gilded nebula]

[distant night]

please tell me thats a very dry joke

[prisma wind]

There is a /s at the end so I'm guessing yes

[cobalt haven]

aw don't worry you'll get there!

[distant night]

idk what /s means

[cobalt haven]

sarcasm

[gilded nebula]

Sarcasm

[distant night]

why does that exist

[pliant sparrow]

it totally means sarcasm /s

[gilded nebula]

[pliant sparrow]

since online you cant really tell if someones sarcastic or not

[hexed shore]

Cause it's hard to convey sarcasm over the internet

[pliant sparrow]

but in real life you can tell by their tone

[hexed shore]

Evidently

[manic bobcat]

is that... sarcastic?

[warm fable]

no...

[gilded nebula]

/s

[hexed shore]

Ofcourse /s

[manic bobcat]

real moment

[cobalt wigeon]

I have no problems with the rest of the bosses

But that last boss is walling me

[hexed shore]

Hax vs hax use shield

[viscid moss]

gotta learn the patterns and know when to stop attacking to dodge

last boss is a painful teacher

[hexed shore]

You're basically being spanked

[cobalt wigeon]

Only way to win is vampiric sword

[manic bobcat]

if all else fails, you can make a practice save

and practice the last fight only

as last resort though

[cobalt wigeon]

How?

[hexed shore]

Ooh i wanna try that

Walk out after dodging everything 30-40 tries later

[distant night]

didnt that get patched out?

[pliant sparrow]

he has like 2 main moves so you should learn those

[manic bobcat]

||#h1-high-heat-strategies message||

[cobalt wigeon]

I see

[distant night]

save scumming at its finest

[pliant sparrow]

Also you should dash over the circular waves

[hexed shore]

Hey idk if that's save scumming tbh

[cobalt wigeon]

I focus solely on hades kekw

[warm fable]

how far have you made it in the fight

[distant night]

idk if thats how you play roguelikes/lites tbh

[manic bobcat]

depends on how you use it. it kinda is :D

[distant night]

but it is save scumming

[hexed shore]

Like the intent behind save scumming and this seems very different

[manic bobcat]

yeah fair, but the mechanics is the same

[distant night]

the intent of run based games is that you have to go back from bottom to top everytime

[manic bobcat]

basically use it for practice

[hexed shore]

Sure, is definitely the same process

[cobalt wigeon]

Hmm? I cleared him once

[manic bobcat]

then do a full run yourself.

[warm fable]

o ok

[distant night]

with this technique you are basically making this untrue

[cobalt wigeon]

With the sword, that was easy

[distant night]

->scummy

[warm fable]

i wasn't sure

[hexed shore]

Just the expected outcome of the process is different is what I'm saying

[cobalt wigeon]

The other weapons are hard since there isn't that vampiric upgrade

[pliant sparrow]

i would take time to learn the moves and get good at dodging then

[warm fable]

shield is pretty op on ||2nd phase|| because you can block like every attack

[cobalt wigeon]

And the bow is hardest to use

[manic bobcat]

I swear Cursed Slash seems to be a fan favorite starting out.

[hexed shore]

I've never liked cursed slash

[warm fable]

bow is pretty good, just stay away and time your shots

[hexed shore]

Idek how to make it work

[pliant sparrow]

relying on survivability boons can help in the short run tho to get you to learn his moves

[manic bobcat]

Have you tried dash striking with power shot?

[pliant sparrow]

but if you just use them as crutches to beat the boss instead of learning ur harming urself in long run

[cobalt wigeon]

I think so

[hexed shore]

If I had a obol for everytime someone said dash strike the bow

[cobalt wigeon]

The || rail || is easier to use compared to the bow

[arctic zenith]

dash strike the bow

[hexed shore]

You need to dash strike the bow my man

[manic bobcat]

bow dash strike always

[viscid moss]

un-dashed bow attacks are

[manic bobcat]

in fact, most weapons dash strike always

[cobalt wigeon]

Yeah that's what I do

The lava makes it annoying tho

[hexed shore]

But on bow you don't attack with dashing

It's not a thing

[slow quarry]

is there a hammere uprade directed to casts?

or only weapons

?

[craggy barn]

dash strike is great for keeping your dps up when using fists

[hexed shore]

Only weapons

[warm fable]

only weapons I think

[slow quarry]

k ty

[manic bobcat]

only weapon DK

[craggy barn]

hammer upgrades are directed only at weapons

[cobalt wigeon]

There are boons for cast

[hexed shore]

Circling people with long knuckle dash combos is love

[warm fable]

loki athena dash is op btw

[cobalt wigeon]

Ye I like fisting people with the knuckles

Ye I know

[hexed shore]

You want to learn to dodge without Athena though

She's good to have but don't become dependant

Which fists are best for ME btw I'm assuming not demeter

[runic agate]

E

[cunning anvil]

one question hades has going to have more upgrades???

[hexed shore]

Dlcs and stuff you mean?

[cobalt wigeon]

I've not gotten enough titan blood yet

[cunning anvil]

dlc or upgrades

[hexed shore]

The game is considered complete for now

[cunning anvil]

😦

[hexed shore]

Devs have no plans for dlcs

[cobalt wigeon]

And I've been focusing on the spear to get the last aspect

[cunning anvil]

i finish the game and i want more xDDD

[runic agate]

updatEs*

[cunning anvil]

i need moreeeee 😦

yeah, my english is very bad sorry 😦

[cobalt wigeon]

Play their other games

[runic agate]

not upgradEs

[hexed shore]

To get spear final aspect ||you have to unlock one of each other weapon's aspects||

[cunning anvil]

dlc?

[runic agate]

so for no dlc has bEEn confirmEd

[cobalt wigeon]

Oh?

[cunning anvil]

jo :,,( thanks

[runic agate]

jo??????

[cunning anvil]

i want more 🙂

[cobalt wigeon]

Is it the same for the other weapons too?

[hexed shore]

No

[cunning anvil]

supergiant if u hear me i have money for dlc.... 🙂

xD ok i stop

[hexed shore]

Other weapons work the way you thought by spending blood on them

Spear is the only weird one who wants you to spend blood elsewhere

[cobalt wigeon]

Been following a steam guide

[viscid moss]

||spear is the first one you get, cant unlock the others without getting it first||

[cobalt wigeon]

They said 3-5 7unlocks for the weapon

[lethal island]

You can check the pins in #h1-story-discussion for how to get all the aspects

[warm fable]

@cunning anvil did you just get your first clear?

or did you 100%

[manic bobcat]

We are all hoping for more :D

[cunning anvil]

no no no, i get the finalcredits

i get the queen

@warm fable

[warm fable]

?

first clear

is what you mean

[cunning anvil]

nooo, i finish the game i get persefone

[warm fable]

you beat ||hades||

[manic bobcat]

that's spoiler :D

[viscid moss]

spoiler tags please

[cunning anvil]

oh sorry

[manic bobcat]

he's beyond that.

The progression is First Clear - End Credit - Epilogue

The game doesn't end when you beat the final boss once.

[warm fable]

yeah I know

[hexed shore]

How many times did you beat ||hades|| is an easier question

[cunning anvil]

im in epilogue

[warm fable]

this is what I meant

sorry lol

[manic bobcat]

ah ok got it :D

[lethal island]

There's still plenty of game to play

I wouldn't say you necessarily need dlc to keep playing at that point

[hexed shore]

After epilogue?

[noble karma]

With Chiron bow maxed out, which is better, concentrated or relentless volley? I think I read in some reddit thread, concentrated, looking for that post now.

[lethal island]

During epilogue

like after main credits

[hexed shore]

Relentless is the one that adds +4?

[lethal island]

Yea

[hexed shore]

If yes then that's the best hammer

[cunning anvil]

yeah i know but i only want to know if supergiant have in mind get a any dlc, this have to awsome

[noble karma]

Because those last four the damage gets multiplied?

[cunning anvil]

Right now I have a lot left, to improve all the weapons and others but I would like a dlc or something

[hexed shore]

Having more homing arrows is good

Cause chiron is all about demolishing people with bow special boons

If you're on Artemis special concentrated might be better though, I'm not sure will have to math

[noble karma]

That’s what made sense to me. I’m on Athena special.

[hexed shore]

Athena special on chiron lowkey weird

[viscid moss]

concentrated is higher dps on maxed out chirron

[hexed shore]

Isn't that for boonless though

[viscid moss]

full volley adds 21+18+15+12+9+6+3 = 84

that doesnt matter tho, since its base damage, so it scales with boons

4 extra arrows adds 60 base

unless im not understanding how it works

[cobalt wigeon]

Apollo dlc

[viscid moss]

hang on, im gonna make sure im not spreading misinformation

[cobalt wigeon]

Smh where is the heat DOT effect

[viscid moss]

yea, pretty sure my math is correct

[hexed shore]

Actually he's right @noble karma I can't think go any instances where I specifically want relentless over conc now that I give it a thought

Also cause relentless makes the special slower

[viscid moss]

its when youre not using chirron, since you get a better spread

[hexed shore]

I was thinking about demeter but then demeter definitely benefits more from having a higher damage on three volleys with her percentage instead of triggering two blasts

[viscid moss]

aaaaaaah, you might be onto something

honestly

[hexed shore]

Is conc volley cumulative

[viscid moss]

wiki is crap, other people say it is

the wording seems to imply it as well

if it was just +3 base per arrow, i think itd be worded in a less confusing manner

[silent mirage]

I normally don't like roguelikes but this game is awesome 👍

[hexed shore]

So you can get three volleys without relentless right