so apparently it gives you +20% damage resistance and every time you die you get +2% damage resistance capping at 80%
#h1-discussion
weak thorn
sour vigil
tfw rare crop hits exactly the 2 boons you want it to hit
queen summit
Imma try to do a run in god mode
unique fern
the fates are doing you well
nocturne ginkgo
Yeah
queen summit
Just for the heck of it
nocturne ginkgo
It's a stacking thing as well iirc
you can turn off god mode whenever you want as well if you think it makes it too easy
queen summit
Aight
nocturne ginkgo
but there is zero shame in using god mode I love using it
Anyway to answer the initial question, all I can say is I womt judge you poorly for it
nocturne ginkgo
I play without it because I like things the way it is
queen summit
With me luck
nocturne ginkgo
Good luck
queen summit
My the Fates guide me to a better end lol
nocturne ginkgo
Chaos: hey I'll increase the mob count by 32%, and in so doing-
Me: yes
near peak
but there is zero shame in using god mode I love using it
there's a god mode-
nocturne ginkgo
yep
near peak
do u get it early or further in the game
south kestrel
Chaos: hey I'll increase the mob count by 32%, and in so doing-
Me: **yes**
That moment you see mobs are increased by 70%-
sour vigil
The initial god mode buff isn't that crazy, it's more when it stacks that it kind of diminishes the fun a bit (imo obviously). But there's no shame in it.
nocturne ginkgo
its in the menu and it gives you 20% defense
sour vigil
I think it starts at 30
nocturne ginkgo
and every time you die you get 2% more defense up to 80
sour vigil
caps at 80
nocturne ginkgo
its 20
south kestrel
It's here precisely to help new players, and I think it's beautiful. I was able to appreciate the story and study the ennemies and boss thanks to god mode
queen summit
And see what happens
sour vigil
Oh you're right. Yeah it's like switching off Hard Labor basically, if you play with Hard Labor often.
near peak
ive only made it passed tartrus and wiped to the hydra so uh im pretty new
south kestrel
Everyone got their own pace, and we're here to share advices :D
sour vigil
Be wary of spoilers in this channel. Even though we're supposed to use spoiler tags, not everyone remembers.
leaden summit
why is there a steam achievment for the second of skellies prices but not for the third?
near peak
Be wary of spoilers in this channel. Even though we're supposed to use spoiler t...
until i finish the game im prob not gonna go near dere o-o im just gonna be here and ask for advice when it hit a tough wall
weak thorn
i would assume cause the 3rd is much harder 🤷♂️
sour vigil
**until i finish the game im prob not gonna go near dere o-o** im just gonna be ...
I was referring to this channel. We're supposed to use spoiler tags but often people forget or don't realize what they're saying is a spoiler. For example people often mention hidden aspects.
leaden summit
you could still add one though, no one said it has to be easy to get every achoevment
near peak
I was referring to this channel. We're supposed to use spoiler tags but often pe...
ohhh ok ill be careful thanks for the heads up
south kestrel
Yeah 3rd boss is tough, you will need to study the patterns
near peak
the lava gets me everytime not when im fighting but when i try to go the next room i just use my defying death
leaden summit
just make a save with hell mode and set it to enhanced measures 3 , that will make the third boss easier
sour vigil
ohhh ok ill be careful thanks for the heads up
Even saying the name of the second area and boss is technically already a spoiler...
😮
near peak
ah shoot o-o
sour vigil
See, it's hard to avoid!
nocturne ginkgo
for bosses they only consider final boss a spoiler tbh
from what I've seen in here
near peak
well i mean whatever the next boss is im gonna wipe to it atleast a few times before i pass it
south kestrel
*the lava gets me everytime not when im fighting but when i try to go the next r...
And then-
Hypnos be like "oohh you died perfectly roasted!"
(this is not a real dialogue, just my imagination)
sour vigil
But yeah the 2nd boss has killed many a new player. You just have to take your time and learn the patterns and pay attention to what the ||main head|| is up to.
south kestrel
Ohhh, I should try dying from lava just to see if Hypnos got a dialogue about that
nocturne ginkgo
I love hypnos he just roasts you all the time
south kestrel
I love hypnos he just roasts you all the time
That moment when || you die against a mini boss rat ||
near peak
hypnos is annoying when i die to a witch or smthing he says "have u tried moving away"
weak thorn
spoilers are generally considered to be "end boss onwards"
south kestrel
"Have you tried not to die? "
cold gate
hypnos advice is one that nobody wants to hear, but need 😔
sour vigil
Ohhh, I should try dying from lava just to see if Hypnos got a dialogue about th...
I can confirm that he does.
cold gate
dashing like crazy rly do be saving me from brimstones
south kestrel
spoilers are generally considered to be "end boss onwards"
In a doubt, I prefer use a spoiler tag here ^^
nocturne ginkgo
he does in fact
south kestrel
I can confirm that he does.
Oh yes. I need to see that.
nocturne ginkgo
hypnos has text for almost every death
sour vigil
I've killed myself on lava many times just to restart a run if I took the wrong keepsake or something.
near peak
welp imma jump in a pool of lava
sour vigil
Because I hate the laugh when you click "Give up"
nocturne ginkgo
also give up doesn't change your seed
south kestrel
Oh, I never cared about the laugh, I just quit, °°°° father
cold gate
muahahahahaaa... 
weak thorn
don't you also lose anything that you earn during that run if you give up
cold gate
why would you ever give up instead of just killing yourself then
south kestrel
Usually if I give up, it's mostly when I'm still in Tartarus. So I don't mind, but if I'm like in Asphodele, I just go on and try to complete the run
Like, in case I run into Thanatos at some point
nocturne ginkgo
oh I just jump in the lava in asphodel just cause its the fastest way to die
sour vigil
Yes
near peak
i need to see hypno's reaction .-.
near peak
when u listen to a conversation in hades u could be right infront of them and it would be counted as "eaves dropping"
sour vigil
I like when they acknowledge you're there
And I'm just like
Zag...
He sticks his nose in everything
near peak
its the art of eaves dropping
south kestrel
Or would you rather hear it for yourself
Personally I want to keep the surprise :D
sour vigil
I also like when he says "Should check the garden" and then you go there and they're just like "go away"
Tsundere ||parents||
south kestrel
By the way, I know what we need.
Contractor that suggest to build doors for Zag's room.
And a whole new panels of dialogues about it.
near peak
which aspect of shield should i go for? ||aspect of zag increases attack and dash dmg , attack of zeus makes my shield a blitz disc and does more base dmg per hit and aspect of chaos makes more shields thrown at a time||
weak thorn
||if you check out the other weapons its not just the shield|| @near peak
near peak
do u think the other weapons are better?
weak thorn
||and if you want free wins and you've got an ok amount of blood atm i'd recommend going chiron with the bow||
||you want to upgrade it to like level 3 though||
sour vigil
Yeah ||Chiron|| is really strong, also ||Hera||
weak thorn
||eris for the rail|| as well
sour vigil
I would take the former over the latter tho
weak thorn
with the former you can get a lot of wins fairly easily at ||higher heats|| getting you more titan blood to then unlock others
sour vigil
By far the most fun I've had was using ||Achilles spear|| but you need to upgrade it to really get the benefits.
weak thorn
||chiron bow carried me through 16 heat last night||
near peak
and wut is former-
weak thorn
||chiron||
sour vigil
If you have two things in a list
brisk trail
Y'all dont need to spoiler nonhidden aspects btw
sour vigil
Yeah but
near peak
i asked for their advice
sour vigil
I like spoiler tags
near peak
its all good
brisk trail
They're all good, chiron and chaos need to be maxed to get the most out of them
weak thorn
wasn't sure about aspects or not tbh, i see people spoilering them sometimes
sour vigil
Zeus shield doesn't require any additional upgrades to be viable with on-hit builds
weak thorn
chiron lvl 1 is a bit meh but i still won with it on my first try, you basically need the +4 special arrows hammer
near peak
i only have 1 titan blood so uh- either i need a way to get more blood or need a weapon that gives me a benifit of 1 blood
brisk trail
And just powershot. It's not worth it.
weak thorn
im sure you don't have much use for ambrosia atm so i'd potentially recommend trading that for more blood
sour vigil
@near peak You can unlock weapons, beat on Skelly, then quit out and reload and you'll have the blood again.
weak thorn
as long as you don't leave the courtyard
sour vigil
It saves when you enter or leave the courtyard
timid slate
u would be more interested in the effects
each lvl in ||aspects|| increase the stats, but u need single lvl to unlock it
near peak
i tested all options for titans blood its a tie between ||rail's achille aspect or chrion's bow chiron's aspect||
distant night
||chiron|| really needs you to invest levels into it
it starts to shine after lvl 3
cold gate
huh TIL ||achilles is indeed patroclus' lover in the greek mythology||
distant night
sometimes :)
near peak
should i just save up blood for chiron?
distant night
ifyou like bow, most definitively
distant night
you get 2 blood per clear per weapon per difficulty
so if you got full clear with bow (for example) on 0 ||heat|| you can up the difficulty to 1 ||heat|| or try to clear with another weapon; else you will get darkness
else you can buy it in the ||styx shop|| and if you feel like you dont need ambrosia you can trade it in the house of hades lounge @ the wretched broker
near peak
so how much blood do i need for the bow to start to get better
distant night
i think 6
near peak
o-o damn
distant night
so clear the game three times (if you have 0 blood)
near peak
i havent even cleared once-
hushed pumice
Zag bow is pretty decent IMO
near peak
hushed pumice
And it takes 5 to max
distant night
but it also doesnt give any bonus for new players
hushed pumice
I got my first clear with Zag bow 😁
distant night
like if you try to unlock the hidden aspects: 5 blood wasted
near peak
is chiron bow good?
distant night
very
near peak
how much lvls needed?
hushed pumice
Honestly every weapon is good in its own way
distant night
most agree on chiron being amazing
it used to also be the only bow aspect in hades speedrunning
main bane
what other games should i try like hades?
near peak
for me hades is like that itch u get from darkk souls where the game completely destroys u but u get better much quicker then normal
hushed pumice
Praise the Sun.
near peak
i finally got the owl pendadent ayyy
small tusk
for me hades is like that itch u get from darkk souls where the game completely ...
I don't find that Hades "destroys you" as there's lots of RNG that can either go with or against you, so it's not 100% skill, but it's deffo fun to replay
distant night
increasing the ||heat|| really can destroy you ||cries in HS and EM2||
near peak
yeah the luck with the boons really is a huge factor but in my experience when i defeated meg it was pretty satifying
distant night
the boon luck is only really intense in the beginning, once you start the 3x forcing gods the additional boons rng is just flavoring
||em4|| is easy imo
small tusk
How is the spoiler tag done?
distant night
|| like this ||
distant night
it's really easy
small tusk
Just focusing on finishing the story now, personally
vapid narwhal
||EM3 harder than EM4||
distant night
but ||HS and EM2|| is just so much lost damage on your part 😭
small tusk
||almost done inviting the olympians|| so I'm close to the end
distant night
||EM3 harder than EM4||
||em3|| asterius, yes. theseus however is just flashing but not doing damage ;3
small tusk
What's ||hs||?
distant night
||hightened security, +400% damage from traps and lava||
||you basically get 20 instant damage standing on lava for 3 seconds||
small tusk
Then don't stand in it lmao. ||EM2 is easy to avoid lava, for me anyway, but my gf has trouble there||
distant night
and if you have that with ||em2 arena|| + something like shield or swordthrust, even the dash is too long
it's easy to avoid it if you dont have the ram head
or deflect on anything with wave-lad
small tusk
Bow go brrrrrr
near peak
how do i access the fated list or do i need to earn it or smthing-
distant night
bowdash go cri
distant night
how do i access the fated list or do i need to earn it or smthing-
you need to have bought the tartarus fountains from house contractor
hushed pumice
I think ||em4|| is the hardest boss fight
distant night
reaaally depends on your build and how comfortable you are with your weapon
astral swift
||Hades boss fight buff||
distant night
it's something you can access to make the difficulty higher after beating the game a few times
timid slate
the heats
distant night
it's from the ||pact of punishment|| yes
astral swift
Ye but normally you can only go to ||EM3, EM 4 is an additional challenge you gotta buy||
nocturne ginkgo
||em4|| is really hard even with god mode at max
and a good build
I honestly have no clue how people do it without god mode tbh
timid slate
wut does god mode do
distant night
artemis maxed, athena, dio and aphro on health go brrrrrrrr
distant night
20% and then +2% every time you die according to mods?
nocturne ginkgo
yep
timid slate
damn thats handicap
distant night
dang you gotta die alot for those juicy 80%
nocturne ginkgo
its worth it lmao
distant night
i can imagine but i now wanna try it 😂
timid slate
gib me hadicap papa
nocturne ginkgo
but it also means that you clear the game after a certain point you know
timid slate
D:
distant night
will doomstones do no damage or just way slower damage then?
distant night
but it also means that you clear the game after a certain point you know
nah just stand on the traps in the first room of tartarus
nocturne ginkgo
oh no
distant night
😂
timid slate
can u tell me how is the damage calculation work?
nocturne ginkgo
I mean that after a certain defense you will eventually clear
so you may not need to hit 80% defense
distant night
can u tell me how is the damage calculation work?
all boon damage is additive except for critical
timid slate
if u get +100% on special and then another +100% on it, will the end result = 100 +100 +100?
nocturne ginkgo
when I was doing it I cleared tart then stood in lava
timid slate
or 400?
nocturne ginkgo
cause lava is not affected by god mode
distant night
I mean that after a certain defense you will eventually clear
i wanna try it now 🥺
nocturne ginkgo
trap damage is reduced by god mode but lava is not
distant night
lesgo, new savefile godmode 80%
nocturne ginkgo
honestly I think god mode is fantastic
I use it when I just want a chill 0 heat run lmao
0 stress just smashing enemies like I'm playing doom
distant night
no matter how little DDs i have ||thx charon|| it feels so nice
distant night
its been over 40 attemps and i havent cleared-
it can take up to 150 attempts
dont worry about not clearing
near peak
o-o dammn
distant night
familiarize yourself with the weapons and gods and your 50th clear might be the win <3
it took me 80 tries because i was stupid with my nectar, started a new file and made it in 20
nocturne ginkgo
Idk how many tries it originally took me but I lost my save file before 1.0 came out
but once you know what weapon you like and put your blood into it the game becomes much easier
at least to me
cold gate
hey i got trouble with ||Hades' beam attack, whats the strat for that?||
brisk trail
||3 beam: dash around him in circles
ultra mega 360 beam: hide behind a rock or give him a big hug||
cold gate
||is there a cue for which is gonna happen? i got killed because i didnt pay attention||
south kestrel
If you play shield ; || Taunt him by holding the Charge button ||
Hmm...
|| For a very short time, you'll see his Lance turning around him at high speed before the beams pop out ||
astral swift
||is there a cue for which is gonna happen? i got killed because i didnt pay att...
He kinda puts his spear down just before
brisk trail
it's telegraphed pretty well, you just gotta look for it
astral swift
Ye
brisk trail
hell often say something b4 he does it
astral swift
Plus the beams take a hot second before they start so you get some time to find a pillar
cold gate
does rock defend against 3 beam too
brisk trail
ye
twilit bridge
its been over 40 attemps and i havent cleared-
try god mode if u haven't done that yet
median laurel
will i ever be able to gift Hades some nectar again?
distant night
yes
median laurel
i guess its just super late game
near peak
try god mode if u haven't done that yet
and how do u do that-
near peak
is god mode OP
median laurel
I gifted him nectar once but haven't had the opportunity to do it again and i'm pretty sure that's where I'm supposed to get my final item lol
weak thorn
all it does is add damage resistance
nocturne ginkgo
...pain and suffering
about to fight the last boss and i dont have any death saves left, only 262 hp
distant night
i guess its just super late game
if you look at hades codex' entry you have a locked heart with him right?
weak thorn
starts at 20% and adds +2% every time you die with it on capping at 80%
nocturne ginkgo
distant night
you need to fullfill his favor
weak thorn
you got this @nocturne ginkgo
distant night
and that is to reach the credits :D
near peak
ah god mode
nocturne ginkgo
i like your faith, hydro
median laurel
if you look at hades codex' entry you have a locked heart with him right?
I have one heart with him, the next heart has a lock on it. That's for an item unlock isn't it?
weak thorn
not necessarily
nocturne ginkgo
but ive yet to beat the last boss ever in the first place, and the last time i got there i had the gun
here i am with the fists
distant night
I have one heart with him, the next heart has a lock on it. That's for an item u...
nope that just means it's time for his favor
near peak
imma just cheese the meg fight bec i dont feel like getting carpal tunnel and ive defeated her before
nocturne ginkgo
theres only so much i can manage with 262 hp
near peak
so uh god mode is gonna help
near peak
yup
near peak
theres only so much i can manage with 262 hp
there only so much
near peak
but it benefits the more youve failed
ive failed 40 times-
median laurel
nope that just means it's time for his favor
oh, thank you. i'll figure out how the heck that works then lol
near peak
toe espace
nocturne ginkgo
...wait, does god mode start counting
weak thorn
those failures wont count since you didn't have godmode on
near peak
escape-
nocturne ginkgo
yeah
weak thorn
i believe
nocturne ginkgo
b
distant night
when you get a no-hit asterius and endboss run
nocturne ginkgo
i mean maybe? i doubt it though?
weak thorn
(i could be wrong there don't quote me on it)
nocturne ginkgo
wish me luck
weak thorn
you got this
distant night
good luck!
nocturne ginkgo
time to try to fight the final boss with no death saves
near peak
imma just cheese the meg fight and try to do the other's legit bec i dont feel like fighting meg for the 4th time
nocturne ginkgo
and 262 out of 423 hp
distant night
423 o.o
tender oxide
You’d probably have more death defiances if you went for more boons/Daedalus hammers and less max life
weak thorn
show us your victory screen when you clutch it champ ;)
tender oxide
It’s more helpful to have a better build than more health
nocturne ginkgo
...
nocturne ginkgo
show us your victory screen when you clutch it champ ;)
im gonna blame my death
weak thorn
the only sword run i've finished was awful but i got lucky and found patroclus to refill ALL of my DDs
nocturne ginkgo
on you jinxing me
tender oxide
Use Cerberus’s keepsake in the beginning then and then swap it out
median laurel
bro das a lot of health, you got this doe
distant night
D:
tender oxide
the only sword run i've finished was awful but i got lucky and found patroclus t...
That was my only spear win lol
nocturne ginkgo
im in the house rn
weak thorn
oh rip :(
median laurel
rip
distant night
:c
tender oxide
F
weak thorn
you'll get him next time
distant night
do you have the administrative chamber?
distant night
ok you dont
distant night
it's a run statistics room in the house
weak thorn
spoilers 
nocturne ginkgo
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
weak thorn
lmao theseus is such a douche
distant night
theseus is a tiny douche
median laurel
theseus annoying with that spear
nocturne ginkgo
like im willing to blast all my death saves to continue punching him
distant night
hehe
median laurel
and the shield ;-;
distant night
try investing into ||achilles spear aspect||
median laurel
so obnoxious
tender oxide
You go for asterius first right
median laurel
neither am i, i need to spam dodge to get outta those whirlwinds
distant night
40secs elysium boss fight LESGO
weak thorn
||you'll see a thin circle just before he does the whirlwind, try and get out of the range of that as soon as you see it spoilered cause this goes for both theseus and end boss||
nocturne ginkgo
so therefore
median laurel
that's fair lol
distant night
theseus isnt a spoiler
tender oxide
I kill him first so I don’t have to deal with him and the gods helping Theseus
median laurel
i usually kill asterius first but i've had a few where i fight both simultaneously and man is that wayyy faster
nocturne ginkgo
it was for me
nocturne ginkgo
because the first time i reached elysium
i died to asterius
and thought he was the last boss
then i was talking to a friend
who told me it wasnt
me:
the
what
median laurel
pain
tender oxide
||I told one of my friends that hades has four phases the tenth time you fight him lol||
weak thorn
wait until you find the real boss
distant night
wait until you find the real boss
||🐭 ||?
median laurel
that's a lie, right?
nocturne ginkgo
...the face that that spoiler hidden word is so short
weak thorn
||I told one of my friends that hades has four phases the tenth time you fight h...
||ok but i was actually mad because on my 10th win i had 1100 gold at the end cause i was using hoarding slash expecting a tough fight and i could have bought a really good item||
distant night
||when you "borrow"||
understandable have a nice day
distant night
||when you "borrow"||
|| he still takes all my DDs||
i honestly liked the ||shop|| spoiler more 😂
median laurel
wait how do i tag spoilers
distant night
||like this||
vapid narwhal
add || to before and after the word
or select the phrases and discord should pop up a format tool
use the eye icon
weak thorn
||only done it twice and on the second time i left with 0 DDs left and like 20hp walked straight into a miniboss room... :( ||
distant night
i feel your pain
weak thorn
on the first i just died 🤣 i wasn't expecting to get slapped so hard
distant night
i remember getting it in tart and doing a basically no-hit run afterwards but i got to buy two DDs
median laurel
|| he still takes all my DDs||
||I've only done that fight ONCE and it kicked my butt. I was playing it on Switch also and the achievement didn't carry over when I played next on PC||
distant night
did i use them? no
median laurel
guys it didn't work
median laurel
ack
median laurel
||I did beat it though, i just nearly died and lost every single DD||
distant night
hold down attack?
nocturne ginkgo
..wait, thats a thing i can enable without having that daedulus hammer that lets me just whack?
weak thorn
lmao, i think that me being so obsessed with this game over the last few days has pushed my brother into getting hades as well 🤣
median laurel
yeah bro what you doing mashing
nocturne ginkgo
thinking thats how you do stuff with the weapons in this game except for the gaun
median laurel
lmao, i think that me being so obsessed with this game over the last few days ha...
good
understandable considering that is how the other melee weapons work. but luckily the fists let you just hold down
nocturne ginkgo
oh yeah just saying
distant night
..wait, thats a thing i can enable without having that daedulus hammer that lets...
just whack is a spear daed hammer
distant night
hammer boons differ from weapon to weapon
nocturne ginkgo
so i had...chaos, i think athena or aphro...
distant night
you might want to get Colossus Knuckle
median laurel
they do, and its RAD
nocturne ginkgo
a couple of centaur hearts
thanatos...
etc.
ended up with that much hp
but then come theseus and just
insert angry screeching as i soak everything to continue punching
indigo flint
Bruh I keep on dying to the champion
distant night
perfect timing, you arent the only one
indigo flint
I literally got him on like 1/10 of his health
But the ares spears distracted me while he shot me down
I’m ma
I was this close
hexed shore
athena trial would be so hard if the deflect shields would actually deflect
brisk trail
its not hard honestly, i have more trouble with the minotaur so i just clap his ass first
minotaur is literally a homing missile
bullet bill x back at the barnyard crossover
astral swift
That's the reccomended strat-target Asterius first
near peak
guys is lvl 1 chiron aspect bow decent or nah
lethal island
B o n e b o w
bitter sand
btw, is it possible to play on linux?
leaden summit
it is
brisk trail
with proton
leaden summit
you can just use the latest proton and it works fine
indigo flint
LETS GOO
brisk trail
good stuff
indigo flint
I beat the champion for once on my life
distant night
I FINALLY BEAT THE CHAMION
gg!!!
bitter sand
Yeah, I am going to try
indigo flint
How do I talk to the friendly shade
brisk trail
walk up to them
indigo flint
It isn’t giving me the options
bitter sand
it's not enabled by defaulkt
indigo flint
Oh cool
distant night
unless you accidentally already triggered it 
indigo flint
I did lol
Ares plus Aphrodite duo is amazing
Hopefully I can reach the surface and unlock Demeter
And fishing
distant night
may the gods grant you a swift styx :)
brisk trail
bruh
excalibur makes me feel like im playing dark souls with a heavy sword
but on god mode
distant night
please spoiler the name of the aspect or call it hidden :D
vestal kestrel
||tiny vermin is an absolute unit||
||the text that shows after you feed Cerberus the satyr sack is amazing. makes me laugh every time||
||Cerberus annihilated... his appetite||
brisk trail
glgl
distant night
good luck, get as far as you can :D
indigo flint
What is his attack patterns?
distant night
see for yourself ;)
distant night
idk, just want you to live through it yourself and not get spoilered :o
distant night
:O
near peak
why do when i use mah bow it says meg drop titan but when i use shield it just stuff like darkness etc
p-q
indigo flint
AND THEN 2 SECONDS LATER
distant night
cause you already got meg with the shield
near peak
ahHHhh
distant night
you only get the bounty once
indigo flint
||THIS DUDE REALLY RECOVERS ALL HIS HEALTH||
near peak
welp i have to use another weapon?
distant night
yes
near peak
kk
distant night
you have to either finish the run or get a new weapon
leaden summit
||THIS DUDE REALLY RECOVERS ALL HIS HEALTH||
lol I love seeing the reaction to that
distant night
after you won a run you can increase the difficulty to get up to 20 rewards
indigo flint
AND I ALREADYY USED MY STUBBORN DEFIANCE, AND THE ONE FROM SKELLY
AND ITS JUST
BRUHHHH
indigo flint
Who cares, at least I got fishing and Demeter now
nocturne ginkgo
if i wanna put a screenshot
indigo flint
Now I just need to get a diamond
nocturne ginkgo
of the last boss fight, where would i put it
distant night
of the last boss fight, where would i put it
if victory screen: #h1-victory-boasting else upload it to imgur or semthing like that and send a link here :)
just be sure to spoiler it
nocturne ginkgo
i didnt win
its a screenshot of a big
"oh no"
moment
damn
there
the moment when i went "a h"
nocturne ginkgo
the dude's phase 2 kicked in, i was at 31
i thought "F I N E, I MAY HAVE NO DEATH SAVES LEFT, BUT I HAVE 4 DASHES AVAILABLE"
"31 IS NOTHING IF I DONT GET HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT-"
proceeds to be a deer in headlights when he begins charging up laser attack for the third time
gets hit
runs for cover, takes the screenshot
proceeds to die the moment i unpause because i forgot the wave attack can bypass terrain
nocturne ginkgo
it wasnt a problem for me for a while
distant night
to not get hit you either hug him or just hide
nocturne ginkgo
cause 4 dashes
but then
my brain lagged
or my arm lagged
either way i didnt hit space
things were going so well
i had 3 death saves
i lost them all to theseus
it wasnt even because i wanted to keep shooting him, i just kept on moving needlessly when his phase 2 kicked in
hexed shore
SD is soo good if you can find kiss of styx gold
nocturne ginkgo
whats SD
hexed shore
stubborn defiance
but relying on rng doesnt seem like the best thing to do
like you have to find kiss gold first then you have to pray that you'll find sack before it expires
hexed shore
idk i dont like sd otherwise
the hp after proccing it so little that you might as well be dead
though i guess on higher heats with no healing its your only option
opaque heron
Isn’t it a thing to use SD on Lasting Consequences 4 so you have some way to ‘heal’ yourself reliably?
brisk trail
yep
opaque heron
Apparently I can’t read whoops
distant night
SD looks horrible, it really activates my boss anxiety with the final boss even tho i havent popped a single DD in a long time
it just looks soooooo scary
hexed shore
im considering it cause i keep reaching final boss with no DD
this one time i was running around with 7 hp and got him to 50% hp in laser shooty mode using only athena legendary and acorn LUL
then ate a skeleton when it was down and died
leaden summit
that sounds more like a case of needing to git gud Kappa
hexed shore
actually right though i cant dodge a single one of his attacks
pliant sparrow
the only real attack you needa worry about is the circle one
the rest are kinda easy tbh
glass hazel
Hey my dudes, awesome game so far i love it, big souls fan and hard games, but dungeon crawley diablo types are so foreign to me. i have no idea what a thunderbold or a red head-looking thing does when i finish a room, what do the bags do, i've spent gold but i have no idea what the purple stuff does? all the names for everything are so intense i dont know where to start. Any good resources for learning the systems? the combat im fine with im just so confused
distant night
make sure to talk to Achilles to get the codex, it will talk about all of the items and gods you meet ingame
glass hazel
is that in the tutorial might i have missed that? im more confused on the symbols that arent explained atall, like it gives me 3 exits and 3 random symbols to choose from i dont get it
pliant sparrow
the god symbols are pretty distinct
distant night
glass hazel
that. that is golden. thankyou.
distant night
this might help the most
glass hazel
are the boons a seperate thing i should also look into?
distant night
the boons are your attack upgrades
pliant sparrow
nah you can read their descriptions when you find them
it takes a while to learn all of them but you can do so by just playing the game
distant night
gods give them and you can read what they do when they offer you them
glass hazel
okay dope, thanks guys amazing community you have here happy christmas ❤️ anything you wish you'd have known when you started besides what we've covered?
distant night
hmmm good question
pliant sparrow
no not really the game is pretty good in having a learning curve
distant night
maybe that dying isnt bad?
pliant sparrow
there isnt any "rookie" mistake that will screw you over later on
distant night
it literally doesnt matter when you die, in fact it progresses the story
glass hazel
right cause i just got this spear that attacks from a distance and i keep that, i feel like thats all i need tbh
pliant sparrow
you need anywhere between 20-40 runs to first clear on average
glass hazel
i've done all the DS games 0 hit i cant wait for this one
distant night
ahh yes the spear is wonderful
glass hazel
i probs wont 0 hit this one its so intence
distant night
it is possible tho!
glass hazel
really? oh my god
distant night
yeah
glass hazel
it feels like a bit of a scramble so far
distant night
i got two 0 hit bossfights just today done
everything is possible in this game lol
glass hazel
is there runs that dont use the Y or B button atall and only X? i'm not finding how the other attacks slip into the combat yet
seems like just 3 attacks
distant night
have you only had about 3 runs so far?
there is another attack coming that is locked from the first 3-5 runs
glass hazel
literally fresh man im like 10 deaths in or something, i just felt like i was missing something cause of what i asked about yno?
distant night
idk what the controls for controller are but you might miss that
pliant sparrow
usually you only build one single attack from either your attack, cast, special; sometimes two for utility and extra damage
distant night
your ways to attack are mainly: attack, dash-attack, long attack; special, dash-special; cast; dash; calls
glass hazel
oh okay that makes way more sense i thought it was like doom how you have to manage all these things
why does my cast make a red crystal stay on people
theres so much thats just not explained
pliant sparrow
because there is a mirror upgrade that makes enemies with red cast in them take more damage
glass hazel
like every room im like erm what?
distant night
skelly in your courtyard is kinda a combat training dummy and will tell you what to try out in the top left
exotic fjord
Yeah
pliant sparrow
you just gotta upgrade more stuff, the game will teach you everything
distant night
cast is like a stone you throw at enemies that can get lodged in them to do further damage
near peak
i need help defeating meg with a spear i got wiped twice and goin for my third attemp and i already defeated her with the shield i just need the spear for more titan blood any tips?
distant night
it's pretty good but not so important to know about tbf
distant night
yes
pliant sparrow
i need help defeating meg with a spear i got wiped twice and goin for my third a...
learn her moves
exotic fjord
i need help defeating meg with a spear i got wiped twice and goin for my third a...
Keep enemies at the edge of your tang because the spear can be kinda slow
distant night
this is a pg server so any swears get yeeted :)
glass hazel
im australian so thats gonna be a bit of a struggle
near peak
ik her moves but she still gets me when i get overwhelmed by her weird attacks that come from the ground + witches and traps
glass hazel
but i can manage
distant night
i need help defeating meg with a spear i got wiped twice and goin for my third a...
for spear i'd recommend working with only dash-attack and athena on attack
when she hits the ground just dash away
pliant sparrow
yah just constantly dash
that attack fires where you are currently with a few sec delay
so you can easily dash out
near peak
i have athena's dash deflect move so i can deflect her fan attack but other then that its prob the only means of shield i have
distant night
dash deflect isnt that good with spear
nocturne ginkgo
i should not put this chat on my second screen
i glance at it and next thing i know something pokes me
distant night
o.o
nocturne ginkgo
also
pliant sparrow
dash deflect is good in general is it not?
pliant sparrow
anyways you shouldnt tank damage with any weapon, you should learn meg's moveset and be able to dodge them
since shield is kinda a crutch ig
distant night
dash deflect is good in general is it not?
it is but getting athena on attack and artemis on dash is way better for spear
it's just a spear thing
since you will want to have serrated point which makes your dash super short
and then having all the deflect on that short little move is bad
pliant sparrow
hm ok i'd still recommend athena dash versus poseidon dash on rail/bow for a beginner tho, since survivability > optimal dps
glass hazel
I usually have good ability to pick up games and know what im doing but this really seems like a random rng scramble, were it not for the fact that i keep the weps and whatever upgrades i also dont understand every time i die it'd be pretty trash tbh
nocturne ginkgo
interesting
distant night
athena dash on any other weapon - beautiful
nocturne ginkgo
for me the game is p easy to learn..ish
distant night
on spear when you wanna go the serrated point way? forget it
nocturne ginkgo
most i had to do at the start was look at the controls to learn what was what
glass hazel
see like i dont know what athena dash, or serrated point, or most other things you guys have said even i know its just lingo that ill probs learn but it feels very forced and edgey
edgey is australian for trying to hard kinda
pliant sparrow
its not really requried for beginners to know all this stuff
all you needa do is look at abilities; if one looks interresting you take it
nocturne ginkgo
yeah
glass hazel
good point maybe watching videos and streamers of it makes it look like i dont get it
distant night
you really learn via playing and reading everything
pliant sparrow
no need to worry about optimal dps or meta or anything if its your first clear
nocturne ginkgo
exactly, you should be able to get the game p easily
distant night
most dont care for it until the 10th clear
pliant sparrow
btw if you havent noticed the mirror yet i would check it out
nocturne ginkgo
the game does give all the tips on what effect does what
astral swift
_most dont care for it until the 10th clear_
or the 80th clear like me ;-;
nocturne ginkgo
when selecting a boon
glass hazel
its hard not to like the games i do like i speedrun and watch world record pace, i can learn those tricks, but watching the same content of this game seems like im not missing anything in particular or doing anything wrong
pliant sparrow
thats fine
glass hazel
i know theres a mirror, a shop, a level system, none of how it works atall
even darksouls explains the stats
pliant sparrow
this game does too
nocturne ginkgo
...
pliant sparrow
if you just read...?
nocturne ginkgo
im pretty sure it shows the stats..the only info gap ive seen so far is when a hammer says itll have a new attack with this base damage
and im there like
ok but whats my OG base daamge
damage
glass hazel
i get it i get 5% per attack or a cast to do a knockback, its nothing special and i get S y m b o l s for upgrades per room
ive died a heap and its not said "okay you've learned a bit now, heres what they actually mean"
pliant sparrow
thats what they actually mean tho
its not like it'll say "this upgrade does X and what it really does is Y"
nocturne ginkgo
yeah the game is more or less transparent
glass hazel
ugh
nocturne ginkgo
in what what does, you just need to hover over the buff
glass hazel
Sorry, i know im probably sounding sour right now but is that it?
glass hazel
as in do i get 5% per room or 5 health back and thats hit?
nocturne ginkgo
...uhhh
pliant sparrow
no its permanent
nocturne ginkgo
yeah
pliant sparrow
if you get an upgrade that says "your attack in 10% increased", your attack will be +10% for the whole game
nocturne ginkgo
the only non permanent buffs in the game are the ones you get from the purple basin thing, which say the state
(not counting the purge pool)
glass hazel
okay, see i know i keep the weapons but am i really meant to notice a 5% increase and think woo im getting better, i can get up to that same boss again with a 5% increase now woo
distant night
starting out in hades in a nutshell: https://imgur.com/vCnA6Zj
nocturne ginkgo
uhhh
nocturne ginkgo
okay, see i know i keep the weapons but am i really meant to notice a 5% increas...
...basically, yes
pliant sparrow
no not really, you gotta learn the moveset of the boss
nocturne ginkgo
and that
pliant sparrow
plus you basically should have the same damage every run
astral swift
starting out in hades in a nutshell: https://imgur.com/vCnA6Zj
Now I wish Nyx had some of these so we could get told that but with a pretty bow on top
nocturne ginkgo
unless you pick up boons and what not that just say
pliant sparrow
since each upgrade only applies to each run
distant night
the movesets are pretty easy to understand if you just calmly watch it for a sec
glass hazel
like isnt souls fun cause you learn a map and you get further, i imagine after this boss its just some more rooms until another boss, different enemy attack patterns. gotta start thinking about what you fundamentally enjoy by some point or am i crazy?
vapid narwhal
watch the laurels on the room entrance
nocturne ginkgo
crickets
pliant sparrow
like isnt souls fun cause you learn a map and you get further, i imagine after t...
and then you clear the game...?
nocturne ginkgo
i find the game fun because i get to go
glass hazel
more crickets
pliant sparrow
and restart for more clears
nocturne ginkgo
W H A C C
EVERYWHEEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEE-
distant night
whats happening in here
vapid narwhal
if it's blue, it's permanent, usually resources
astral swift
like isnt souls fun cause you learn a map and you get further, i imagine after t...
Fun is dependent on the player, some people prefer to focus on the story and characters and some like to focus on getting as powerful as possible and going as fast as possible
vapid narwhal
if it's gold, it's non permanent, which means they are only active on your current run
nocturne ginkgo
if it's blue, it's permanent, usually resources
"hey poseidon, gimmie some stuff will yeah"
vapid narwhal
if you die and return to the house, they are lost
glass hazel
i dont mean to be mean, you guys probs love this game i thought i might get some clarity on what im meant to do but it just turned out i know exactly what it was and i guess i dont like it 😛
nocturne ginkgo
"hell yeah boy, heres some t a c o s from the ocean"
vague gulch
Me: Haha, I got enough goods from my run, now how can I die?
glass hazel
sorry ill get out of your hair, happy christmas guys
vapid narwhal
clearing the game is not even the beginning of the game
nocturne ginkgo
you could yeet a screenshot
i guess?
or just tell us what it is
but again, its usually transparent so
vapid narwhal
also we have #h1-for-new-players for all sorts of beginner questions
nocturne ginkgo
...i said all that
and im looking at a duo buff
that made me think "wait what"
you god gauge charges automatically...but its capped at 25%....capped at 25%...
YEET
distant night
i dont mean to be mean, you guys probs love this game i thought i might get some...
well thats just the way of teaching in most roguelikes/roguelites... i'm sorry to hear you dont like it but there are tutorials if you just watch out for a second (like every time you take a new weapon the game will ask you in the top left to try the weapon on skelly and learn its moves)
yes it isnt a straight "press A to roll and B-D for parry" it's still a kind of tutorial
vapid narwhal
well yeah you get to use a single call every 25% of the gauge
vapid narwhal
the automatical charge lets you use them much more frequently
nocturne ginkgo
but to be precise
the auto stops at 25% of my bar and the rest i fill in myself, right
pliant sparrow
nope it caps at 25%
vapid narwhal
which means you lose your greater call
pliant sparrow
so you can only use a lesser call
pliant sparrow
but in return you can spam lesser
nocturne ginkgo
i need the purge pool
vapid narwhal
which is why its usefulness differs
nocturne ginkgo
my F is artemis's
lethal island
What do the little cutscenes before some runs mean?
nocturne ginkgo
i.e. the one that goes P E W
vapid narwhal
it's very good for say, arty or dio
distant night
it's good for those with less interesting ultra calls
lethal island
Are they just for fun?
pliant sparrow
What do the little cutscenes before some runs mean?
nothign much
pliant sparrow
just some lore
distant night
What do the little cutscenes before some runs mean?
memories from what hades used to tell him to fuel your teenage angst and hate towards dad
vapid narwhal
but not that good for athena and aphro for example
nocturne ginkgo
That was an interesting convo to read through a few minutes ago
so hows everyone doin today
pliant sparrow
so hows everyone doin today
good
nocturne ginkgo
You love to hear it!
...
never mind what i said
i cheesed theseus because of that boon
i moved back and forth in a corner and spammed artemis's F and let it do the work for his whole hp bar
vapid narwhal
whatever gets the kill works
distant night
huehuhue
vapid narwhal
there is no cheese
nocturne ginkgo
i call it a cheese because
it did not get the usual satisfaction of ending that boi
I love that theseus has a line where he calls you a coward for hiding behind pillars and not just letting him kill you
rapid solar
What about land this game on Stadia?
fading willow
btw what was the ancient Greek winter solstice festival called?
I know the Romans had Saturnalia but it's name-vise Greek equivalent Kronia was an early autumn festival?
pliant sparrow
What about land this game on Stadia?
game isnt too graphically intensive tbh
low nexus
NOo
brisk trail
elysium moment
pliant sparrow
high heat moment
distant night
shield guys be like, we smarter than theseus
distant night
elysium territory is beautiful but yet frustrating
same
low nexus
dash away
tulip geyser
i feel like everytime i dash i still get hit
distant night
how do you dodge spears?
dash or stun
tulip geyser
do i have to wait till the last second?
distant night
dont dashattack but just dash away
low nexus
Bruh i didnt get any hammers until elysium
distant night
that can happen
tulip geyser
who here had a dry run yesterday? I remember someone spoke about that
tulip geyser
yeah apparently they didn't get any boons or whatever?
distant night
ahh boonless runs are fun
tulip geyser
hahah
vestal kestrel
i've upgraded one of the ||aspects of aegis to the max||, yet i still haven't ||unlocked the final aspect||. without telling me what it is, is there something i need to do? or should i just keep doing runs
gusty slate
Have you unlocked the spear secret?
gusty slate
Spear secret, spent 15 blood on shield, just gotta do runs if I recall
distant night
i've upgraded one of the ||aspects of aegis to the max||, yet i still haven't ||...
have you talked with chaos about the shield already?
vestal kestrel
have you talked with chaos about the shield already?
im not certain. i think he may have mentioned it a while ago but i can't remember
distant night
also which aspect did you max out?
vestal kestrel
zeus
vestal kestrel
Spear secret, spent 15 blood on shield, just gotta do runs if I recall
how much does it cost to max out one aspect? plus unlocking the other 2
gusty slate
Probably just need runs, the 15 is wrong then yea might just be 5 sorry
distant night
5 for zag ones, 15 for the other
you might wanna put one blood into the chaos aspect
it may be that thats what's holding you down
vestal kestrel
to be fair ||my last run i beat the game so all dialogue has been about that||
distant night
since you need to talk to chaos and thats...... his aspect
gusty slate
Ah yeah unlocking all the shields might be part of it
distant night
to be fair ||my last run i beat the game so all dialogue has been about that||
oh yeah, story is more important in the dialogue pool
pliant sparrow
do ou have spear unlocked yet?
vestal kestrel
||by beat i mean credits rolled, not just completing a run||
vestal kestrel
do ou have spear unlocked yet?
yes
pliant sparrow
then the dialouge is just rng
pliant sparrow
so 🤷 you gotta keep playing
theres literally nothing else you can do but keep playing
gusty slate
Might take a few runs, good 'ol dialogue
low nexus
all of the voice actors make their part and do it well
gusty slate
Hrrrrrnng
nocturne ginkgo
...i finally did it
my first victory...should be put in #h1-victory-boasting , right
low nexus
yeah
gusty slate
Congrats
low nexus
congrats
pseudo harness
gratz
gusty slate
One of many
gusty slate
just beating the game, nothing wrong with that.
tender oxide
||They technically didn’t say he was the final boss||
low nexus
he is actually pretty easy when you dash attack on him then dash away
gusty slate
See here but I'm bad 
low nexus
dang
tender oxide
I just use the shield and try to get the piercing shot Daedalus hammer so I can keep my distance and block when he does an attack
gusty slate
I cheese with wall hacking arrows or untouchable deflect fist
pliant sparrow
he is actually pretty easy when you dash attack on him then dash away
and then you turn fo2 on and you cant dash away 😢
distant night
and then you turn fo2 on and you cant dash away 😢
then dash through and confused the enemy :D
pliant sparrow
i always miss the timing tho
gusty slate
Can't be dash attacking either
gusty slate
I forced myself to get gud with timing by using ruthless dash
but fo2 takes time to get used to
pliant sparrow
no i can clear on it
i just dont know the timing of the circle attack
the one time i did clear 32 heat on fists was when i used athena call and built it fast enough to use it every time i saw the circle animation lol
gusty slate
Poseidon is sad
opaque nexus
I just realized how similar hades is to asgore from undertale. Think about it, they are both large, bearded men wielding a spear. (spoilers for both games) ||Asgore is also one of the last bosses in the game, and Hades is the final boss. Most significant, however, is their role in the story. In Undertale, Asgore is trying to use the player's SOUL to break the barrier trapping monsters in the underground. This is actually quite the opposite of Hades' goal of keeping Zagreus trapped underground, but their fights both take place right near the surface. Also, Asgore drifted apart from his wife, Toriel, much like Hades with Persephone.||
strange adder
why did ||persephone leave again||
low nexus
ah yes spoiler
strange adder
i kinda skipped through dialogue not caring
strange adder
i was impatient i guess? i do read fast though
i dont skip any of the really big dialogue though like ||zag meeting persephone for the first time|| and ||the post credits scene||
torn nimbus
why am i so bad at this game
astral swift
why did ||persephone leave again||
||The biggest reason (the catalyst) was Zagreus being stillborn||
strange adder
||The biggest reason (the catalyst) was Zagreus being stillborn||
oh right did ||she think zag was dead?||
astral swift
He was ||dead||
But yeah she never knew ||Nyx brought him back and they never told her because they figured it was best she stay up there anyway||
astral swift
Np
opaque nexus
Oh that’s another similarity ||both became separate from their wives due to their children, albeit for different reasons||
low nexus
ah yes using ||guan yu|| non upgraded in 51 ||heat||
strange adder
gl
low nexus
the lifesteal gonna carry
strange adder
have you used it before?
low nexus
yes
strange adder
ehh the lifesteal is somewhat slow
strange adder
and charging up the spin attack will really leave yourself open
strange adder
does that help? i guess
well good luck anyways
@ me and tell me how far you got later
pliant sparrow
the life steal is kinda a trap
it doesnt heal that much (3-4) and takes a ton of time to charge, with a super small range
low nexus
alright
pliant sparrow
the special is way beter tho
low nexus
yeah
strange adder
oh definitely
low nexus
its good if you have 2 HEALTH
pliant sparrow
hitbox on it is kinda broken too
strange adder
you dont have to recall the spear back
pliant sparrow
it gets to the point where if i see 2 enemies far apart, i aim the spear in the middle of them and i still do 1k damage to both
wild schooner
How is everyone today? Anyone get any good runs?
wild schooner
@distant flower there is nothing to be done
distant flower
D: