h1-discussion

[gaunt valley]

btw plume + hermes dodge boon + zag fists is broken

[hushed pumice]

Yeah that goes over 50%

And then you grab the call dodge boon too

[gaunt valley]

dodge as a mechanic can be abused if you know how

[faint flint]

do revenge boons go off on dodges\

[hushed pumice]

I would guess no

[tight agate]

does lightning rod work with trippy bomb cast

[gaunt valley]

it works when the trippy turns back into the red crystals

[hushed pumice]

Before it does you can get Scintillating Feast

[molten nymph]

i mean

how can you hate that beard

[gaunt valley]

i love dad

[balmy elm]

is there a way to remove the HUD while in run

want to take a screenshot of this lovely room in elysium

[tight agate]

how exactly is damage reduction calculated is it additive stacking or multiplied?

[molten nymph]

multiplicative

[gaunt valley]

@balmy elm idk how to otherwise but you can just wait a bit and it turns off

[balmy elm]

oh ok

thanks

[gaunt valley]

just hit 100 deaths uwu

[tired sundial]

Zeus pairs incredibly well with the fists especially with the chain lighting on attack and the extra bolts every time a lightning attack hits

[tacit ember]

i think meg just fricked zag

[gaunt valley]

yes

yes they did

||did you hear the whip noises||

[tacit ember]

its way more advius than with than

yes

[tired sundial]

[brisk trail]

Hello.
I'm kind of new to the game, I only started to play Hades starting from official release.
So a little time ago a question appeared in my head. Are all the gods were here from the start of the game or maybe someone of them were added in updates?

[solar isle]

During early access gods were added, but since full release I don't think any have been added

[brisk trail]

So yeah, I'm asking exactly about the time before release

before

[lone sinew]

I havent played before but i guess demeter is the latest?

[tired sundial]

A fair few were added in early access

Dionysus, Demeter, and chaos at least

[brisk trail]

So i think there's a chance that sometimes we can get new god or npc, yeah?

[verbal rivet]

I wouldn't count on it

[lone sinew]

hmm maybe... though in early access its more possible for stuff to be added

at least you souldn't rely on that fact

[verbal rivet]

Kratos when?

[brisk trail]

Jesus Christ when?

[verbal rivet]

Apollo seems more viable to be added

[solar isle]

Heracles

[brisk trail]

And Heracles maybe? I think he is one of the most famous persons from greek myphology?

[lone sinew]

Apollo will be the best choice

[verbal rivet]

Heracles would be more of an NPC

[lone sinew]

no

Hercles is an Olymbian

there are 15

there 12 basic

but Hades Hestia and Hercles are Olymbians too

you can call them that

[gaunt valley]

i dont think theyre going to add more

[lone sinew]

yeah and I dont think it's needed

[gaunt valley]

more about daedalus would be good tho

[zealous fiber]

Adding another weapon or another deity would be cool of SGG but it’s not that simple. They’d need to add a bunch of new animations and interactions. And in the case of a deity, how their boons interact with already existing boons and new duo boons and etc

[dim nest]

plus story

[zealous fiber]

So yeah, more Daedalus stuff would be kewl, maybe as an NPC we can chat with. And SGG can take a well deserved break

[brisk trail]

isn't Hera an Olympian too but doubt she'd help Zagreus

[zealous fiber]

They’re my little PogChamps

[dim nest]

I'd imagine everyone on the team is still riding the Game Awards high lol

[gaunt valley]

Daedalus seems like the one thing that isnt polished and well developed

[brisk trail]

yeah I dint understand why his hammers for weapons were just lying around in the under world lol

[dim nest]

I think the explanation is that he's making renovations in the underworld and he just drops them

leaves them behind etc

[gaunt valley]

like you could guess and stuff

[austere jacinth]

For more Daedalus stuff, I'd really like to see Icarus.

[gaunt valley]

but like
its weird considering the amount of attention to detail in everything else

[empty flame]

he's basically the one responsible for fixing the biomes and for moving them around each run

[slim grail]

i cant find skelly under greek mythology. who is he supposed to be? pls help, he is my fav npc

[austere jacinth]

Honestly, Daedalus makes sense, given he's most famous for constructing a labyrinth and he's turned the Underworld into one. Given the game's focus on relationships--particularly between parent and child--I just think Icarus showing up would be neat.

[gaunt valley]

it makes sense

its just strange how underdeveloped it is in contrast to everything else

theseus even comments if you show up with the boon yarn

but daedalus is barely mentioned ever

[austere jacinth]

I don't see it as underdeveloped at all. Daedalus's role is important, but he's not actively helping Zag. Only passively.

[gaunt valley]

i just want more voicelines from other characters that mention daedalus

actually having daedalus as someone you interact with would be bad

[summer obsidian]

nah finding daedalus workshop in Asphodel would be dope

[gaunt valley]

it would be in elysium

[summer obsidian]

Oh nevermind I'm thinking of Hephaestus

[austere jacinth]

Hephaestus would not be in Hades.

He only gets one direct mention, and one indirect mention.

[tacit ember]

do you need to "gorw close" with hermes for the "queens plan"

[worn horizon]

Probably

Give him all your nectar and find out

[tired sundial]

Hermes needs all your nectar

Like a hummingbird

[tacit ember]

secret shild is so weird but i love it

[open shale]

Hey everyone, I gave dusa all the Ambrosia she needs but she didnt give me a sticker back, anyone knows why that is? Oh and Aphrodite isnt allowing me to give her Ambrosia yet, I'm guessing I need to fix the Dusa thing first?

[tacit ember]

romance charicters need to speek to u first

[open shale]

So I just have to keep playing until she has something to say?

[tacit ember]

yes

she will visit u in ur room

[open shale]

Oh Ok, gotcha thanks

[tacit ember]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-youre-welcome-maui-dance-gif-15810606

[worn horizon]

"visit you in your room" Lennyface

[slim grail]

Are roman and greek mythos related?

[lone sinew]

they are based on the same story

[austere jacinth]

Yeah, the Romans built their own stories from the Greek ones and took others wholesale.

[lone sinew]

Roman is a another version of Greek's

[bold arch]

So, I just startet the game for the first time after building my new PC, and now steam asks me wether it should start Hades (DirectX-Default) or Hades (Vulkan) or Hades (32-bit). I didn't have this question on my old pc, what should I pick?

[lone sinew]

I think everyone has that i just run the default. 32 bit is for... 32 bit you should chech if you have 32 or 64 on your pc and i dont know what Vulkan is

[slim grail]

so basically.. thor = zeus?

[slim grail]

i just picked mine as directX

which is default

[bold arch]

No, Thor was entirely different mythologie from the romans and greeks

Yeah, figured as much, but Vulkan confused me there

[slim grail]

OHH wait my bad. yaaa.. thor is norse.. oops

[lone sinew]

lol

and even that way why not Odin= Zeus

[slim grail]

wow lots of myth stuff happening back in the day

[lone sinew]

Odin is more like Zeus than Thor

[austere jacinth]

Eeeeh

[slim grail]

hmm maybe. i only compare thor to zeus because of thunder haha

[austere jacinth]

Odin is more like Hades if he's like anyone.

[lone sinew]

oh I see

yeah but you know he's like the leader

[austere jacinth]

He's a sort of Athena/Hades hybrid thing. To butcher two mythos's in one. xDD

[tacit ember]

the sword is the only wepon missing a yellow aspect

[austere jacinth]

The Norse Pantheon is very different from the Greek or Roman.

[lone sinew]

lol tha twas full random

I know

[slim grail]

So only norse are different from greek and roman

hmmm

[lone sinew]

Egyptian is interesting too but I know nothing about it

[bold arch]

Well, and then there is also stuff like Maya and Inkas

[slim grail]

there's alot of mythology .... this is .. kinda cool

[austere jacinth]

Celtic too. And Persian. And Chinese. Etc. etc. etc.

[tacit ember]

do the marks leafed on the ground by your wepons not desapear?

[slim grail]

i remember this creature but i forgot which mythology that creature is from.. he is largely well known

crap.. i forgot. he rest deep in the ocean

big ass creature

[austere jacinth]

The Kraken?

[slim grail]

no...

but he has the appearance like it

many tentacle arms

[austere jacinth]

Cthulhu?

[slim grail]

ahhh i forgot. i love that creature

YES

[austere jacinth]

That's Lovecraftian horror.

[slim grail]

oh. not mythology?

[austere jacinth]

Only as much as Scientology is.

Lovecraft was a Victorian author who was basically afraid of everything and so wrote some of the most fundamental works of horror fiction ever.

He was also a colossal racist, even by the standards of the time...

[bold arch]

The Leviathan?

[brisk trail]

hey yall this is an interesting convo but belongs in #off-topic-discussion

[hollow field]

is there anymore content planned for this universe, like a DLC or another game

[austere jacinth]

There haven't been any announcements of such. Alas.

[brisk trail]

yeah it’s very doubtful, sgg isn’t known for making DLC or any extra content

[hollow field]

oh ok

didn't know

[worn horizon]

Which in a way is good

[hollow field]

but a DLC would be great

[austere jacinth]

They also aren't known for Early Access or Roguelikes... so you never know.

[brisk trail]

good point!

[worn horizon]

Not many devs release finished games and leave it as finished

[brisk trail]

tho i believe they’re taking a break right now, so if one comes, it shouldn’t be right around the corner

[hollow field]

and for a game with such a lore it would be a great add

they are so many gods left

so there is matter to deal with

[lone sinew]

it would be more possible since this game is more popular than the rest and seems like a lot of people are gonna keep playing plus its based on Greek mythology who still has plenty of availavle content to give.

although even without dlc it's enough

[hollow field]

indeed

[austere jacinth]

It's definitely my GOTY, and I'm happy with it as it is. I'm love more though, as I am a greedy little demon.

[worn horizon]

Yeah GOTY for me aswell

[hollow field]

would've said GOTY if I wasn't that bad

so I would say number 2

[heady oriole]

after everything

i 100% Hades

Finally

[hollow field]

nice

after how long

[heady oriole]

92.6 hours

time well spent

and the first game i actually gave a damn to 100%

[hollow field]

and when does it count as 100%

[heady oriole]

getting all the achievements

[hollow field]

damn I'm only at 20%

[heady oriole]

u get there man

[hollow field]

idk, took so long just to get one run finished

I'm proud to have finished it tho, probably best video game end ever

[heady oriole]

Also Congratulations Supergiant games

winning best action and Best Indie

[austere dawn]

Hi everyone! A quick question: There is any way to check which boons I'm missing to complete the prophecy while I'm into the run?

[heady oriole]

Gotta give props to mattmcmuscles to recommend the game too

[hollow field]

you can buy at the guy next to hades the ability to see the boons for each god

with gems

[austere dawn]

just bought it a minute ago, but I don't get how to check if something is missing

[hollow field]

what do you mean missing ?

[austere dawn]

To complete the prophecy I need to take every boons at least once. How can I know which one I already took and which not?

[austere dawn]

Are they missing in this list too?

[hollow field]

go at the table of the prophecies

and you'll see which one have already been taken

[austere dawn]

yeah, I wanted to check it while i'm into the run. I honestly can't remember them xD

[astral swift]

In a run- of there's a boon you haven't selected, it'll have a small scribe and pen icon next to it

[hollow field]

oh yeah forgot

[austere dawn]

oh thanks! Never noticed it!

[astral swift]

And I believe (maybe I don't remember) if you buy the ||Boon Option|| for your codex, you might-I don't remember, get that same icon next to the boons you don't have

I can maybe check that right now

[austere dawn]

I'm playing the game blindly right now

[astral swift]

Oh well you'll get that later

[austere dawn]

I think so 🙂 😄

thanks again!

[faint flint]

first time playing hidden sword

[astral swift]

Np

[faint flint]

it's

like playing in slow motion

[astral swift]

Yorp

Hermes is a life-saver when running that imo

[heady oriole]

Hermes is the total bro

[hollow field]

what is the best god for you

might help me to do better

[heady oriole]

i'd say

Artemis, Zeus, Hermes, Dionysius, Ares, and Demeter

[hollow field]

I love Ares too

so much more damage

[heady oriole]

If you want

get a rail gun

Aspect of Hestia

Artemis Boon deadly Strike

Since that Empowered shot chance to crit

it's fun for bosses to tear them like paper.

[hollow field]

I love that feeling when you see a hammer of Daedalus on the next door

[heady oriole]

Number one priority

Daedalus > everything

[verbal rivet]

Idk, if I see an Athena when I dont have her dash I kinda ignore the delicous hammer

[heady oriole]

Ares Spinning blade dash is good

[hollow field]

oh yeah

you just dash

[heady oriole]

Plus with Bigger spin and Longer.

Ur basically a Beyblade

Athena and Divine dash

Plus Hermes and More dashes

can't touch that

[brisk trail]

I tried to do a blade dash only run

i died to heroes

[heady oriole]

ares and demerter good pair

[brisk trail]

it was fun(?) tho. i had hidden fists and epic greatest reflex

[heady oriole]

u get there

it's all about practice

[brisk trail]

nah i did it for the memes

[verbal rivet]

Blade Dash only run sounds fun

[brisk trail]

just smashing wasd and spacebar over and over

[heady oriole]

ur now a beyblade

LET IT RIP

[brisk trail]

i wonder how big black metal can get

[languid plover]

is Chiron special better with Zeus or Poseidon?

[brisk trail]

neither

look for dio or arty

[weary widget]

Artermis: heart rend
Dio: the dio + aphro duo

[languid plover]

change of question then...

[brisk trail]

Of the two, Poseidon.

zeus's lightning has a cooldown so you don't want that

[heady oriole]

Zeus is basically Palpatine

Unlimitedddddddddd powahhhhhhhhhhh

[languid plover]

Can Chiron with Poseidon special, accompanied by Sea Storm (duo boon) procced multiple times on single target?

Can Chiron with Zeus special, accompanied by Double Strike & Splitting Bolt procced multiple times on single target?

[brisk trail]

Any singular lightning bolt will, with Double Strike and Splitting Bolt.

It will proc more with Sea Storm.

[languid plover]

while the special only strike once, the Double Strike and Splitting Bolt will proc multiple times then?

[brisk trail]

There's too long an internal cooldown to get more than I think 2 bolts with Thunder Flourish.

[languid plover]

due to cooldown

[main bane]

i have a qn: will hades go on sale for more than 20% off during christmas sale?

[rigid dragon]

no one knows

[main bane]

oh k

[ocean aspen]

I want to know who is elder brother between Hyp and Than？？？

[thick atlas]

im hype, just got my first win last playthough of 46 minutes and my next run after I won with a 31 min

dropped 15 min

[heady oriole]

my hands are sore

playing hades with ps4 controller

is like playing Devil May Cry

[brisk trail]

nice, gj

you'll be zoomin before u know it

[distant night]

than probably cause hypnos is still baby

[ocean aspen]

hhha yeah

[brisk trail]

I thought they were twins.

[ebon meadow]

If I found a bug, where should i post it?

[faint flint]

how does Dodge change steak

chance stack

I'm on zag fist

with lambent

just got hermes epic 20 percent dodge

[pliant sparrow]

additive

can reach 100%

[faint flint]

you can't be serious

that seems borked

[pliant sparrow]

its innsanely hard to get tho

not worth it

https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschySpikyTomatoSpicyBoy

[sudden widget]

Do you think now that Hades has won awards and is probably SGG's biggest hit, they'll do additional content? After their break ofc

[distant night]

you mean like DLC or just more to the game as in more stages :o

[sudden widget]

Anything really

But new stages or new gods would be best

[distant night]

yeah it would be awesome but i think the modding community would take care of that mostly and let sgg fabricate more games

[sudden widget]

Didn't know Hades had a modding community lol

[distant night]

i mean there is apparetly an apollo mod

[sudden widget]

I mean this game is probably their first non 100% original game, and the fact that its set in greek mythos opens up doors to so many possibilities

[distant night]

the link for its discord is in #self-promotion i think?

100% agree

[sudden widget]

I personally think that since this game blew up alot and theres alot of people asking for more SGG might consider it

[distant night]

the realm of gods and their possible boons/curses is infinite

i kinda hope they dont?

[sudden widget]

Why?

[distant night]

i understand getting a big franchise is good but i feel like sgg has way more to offer than just Hades over and over again

[sudden widget]

I dont mean a franchise
A few DLCs that add more to the repeatability of the game SPECIALLY more stages/routes

[distant night]

so if they could maybe make the game very modding friendly anyhow like with a steam workshop mod thingy, that would let the players really do anything they desire lol

[sudden widget]

BUT
There is a but
Since almost everything in hades is tied to narrative i believe new content would be a challenge

[distant night]

it all depends on sgg of course, i would just also love to see what they will do in the future with what they learned from hades

[sudden widget]

That too!

[distant night]

they already spent 2 years to give us hades with an actual finale so i'm happy

and the modders are crazy good at getting more content in

personally i'd find it hard... if i were sgg to understand where to stop the dlc content since (greek) mythology is so friggin big

[manic sphinx]

I made a mistake buying this game yesterday when I have a finals all next week. But 10/10 game so far

[brisk trail]

relatable

[heady oriole]

The wise choice

[winter harbor]

Yeah, there were way more than gods than the olympians

[jolly crescent]

Guys

i have a doubt

The game is already 100% finish in terms of content? Or will be some content patch in future? Like some new area or boss or monster or lore?

Because i want play more of this... If the answer is no, so please make some DLC ou Hades 2 i don't know, but give me more of this please.

[brisk trail]

There may be a later update. Historically SGG has done so, but until they make an announcement we don't know.

They're still working on cross-saves and getting the Switch port fully ironed out, and that takes priority.

[rustic valve]

Most likely the game is done, there might be something later, but don't count on it. SGG has also historically always moved on to something new, incorporating what they learned and yet making it new.

(barring the cross-saves, as Schpoonman said)

Balance patches are still possible, though, I would think.

[green maple]

please buff spear

[brisk trail]

why

[green maple]

isnt spear relatively weak compared to the other infernal arms

[distant night]

not really

[green maple]

hmm

cant really find a way through using spear

[brisk trail]

dat would be sword me thinks

[green maple]

ohhh

[distant night]

the weakest attack wise is rail

[green maple]

i love swords tho

[distant night]

the special is strong

[green maple]

but rail's got sp- yeah

and it fires really quickly, which makes the zeus combo go mad

[distant night]

you gain speed for havig to reload and only doing 10damage per attack hit

spear is insane if you understand its strong suit with dash attack and spin attack

[green maple]

the dash attack is crazy

[distant night]

spin attack does 200+ damage in a huge area

[green maple]

especially with that one hammer

[distant night]

and you can move it with dashes

[green maple]

that gives 3 dash strikes

[distant night]

yes

[green maple]

but tbh that and the quick spin charge are the only ones i get to find out useful

[distant night]

that + aphro on attack, artemis on dash = mad damage with nothing but dashattacks

special is good for activating special damage buffs

[green maple]

oh?

[distant night]

like if you get the "special does 400% damage to armor" hammer or use achilles

[green maple]

oo

[distant night]

it lets you instantly pop armored foes

[green maple]

that

[distant night]

and achilles can be instantly activated upon entering a room

[green maple]

but almost all hammers in every weapon have " ~~~ does ~% damage to armor"

[distant night]

so you instantly get 150% more damage

yes but with the spear its insane

400%!

[green maple]

hmmmm

400%

+aphro sounds

pretty hot ooo

alright now i see how this goes

[distant night]

that with aphro or ares immediately just byebye mini bosses and armored shield warriors in elysium

[green maple]

omg thanks for changing my mind, maybe its me that needs to learn how to use it

[distant night]

sure thing!

[rustic valve]

Eh, Spear has, afaict, the fewest viable builds and is fairly weak unless you get some very specific hammers. It's the most niche weapon, I think. It works, but I wouldn't mind if the spear got a few buffs.

[distant night]

honestly the hammers are just integrated with the builds

[brisk trail]

It's the strongest Cast weapon and by a fairly wide margine.

And those builds requires no Hammers.

[distant night]

you can go for a dash-attack build and you gotta get the dash attack hammer for it; anything else is just a strong special/spin build

[distant night]

achilles wise yes

[rustic valve]

I dunno - Hera is a lot of fun with casts.

But sure, Achilles is a strong cast build.

[waxen juniper]

Achilles seems good with aphro cast

[rustic valve]

But there's, imo, a reason why you don't see spear represented much either for speedruns nor for high-heat runs, nor for any category I can think of.
Spear special is weak unless it gets specific upgrades, spear attack is pretty much never good outside of flurry jab, Hidden Spear is probably the hardest to use of all the hiddens, and so you're sorta stuck with Achilles being the only really strong spear Aspect.

Meanwhile, I see multiple aspects of each other weapon being something someone enjoys and that is really fast and good to use.

[waxen juniper]

I'm not a speedrunner, but I've had a lot of fun with aspect of Hades

[distant night]

hades is also really underrated

[waxen juniper]

And Zag Spear is quite good at max level.

[distant night]

speedrunning isnt the only way to play the game btw

[waxen juniper]

😱

[distant night]

achilles used to have a lot of top best times on speedrun.com before eris got insane

if you want to go the speedrun route

but else people hardcore enjoy hidden spear high heat runs; spear no-mirror runs etc etc

[waxen juniper]

Hidden spear is also very deadly... for both parties.
But it most certainly packs a punch

[icy fox]

So, most traps deactivate when the room is cleared, why does lava not deactivate?

[waxen juniper]

Well, lava is not considered a trap

[icy fox]

So the trap resistance boon doesn't negate lava damage?

[quiet gull]

It is, actually

[waxen juniper]

No it will not

[pliant sparrow]

the explosives in elysium dont deactivate either

[quiet gull]

It does negate lava damage tho

[green maple]

it negates lava damage

wdym

[zinc spade]

Thats athenas boon?

[green maple]

sure footing if youre talking, yes

[waxen juniper]

||Heightened Security|| specifically says that traps and magma deal 400% damage.
So that suggests it does not consider lava to be a trap.

However, it is nice that sure footing works with magma

[zinc spade]

there is an item in the shop too

[quiet gull]

But... it DOES increase lava damage

[green maple]

hmm

[waxen juniper]

I know. That is magma

[quiet gull]

And holy excalibur negates lava damage too

How do you explain Sure Footing decreasing lava damage, then?

Just because it says that, doesnt mean the game doesnt consider lava to be a trap, lmao

[zinc spade]

a typo

[waxen juniper]

Interesting

[zinc spade]

otherwise it would be inconsistent with the other game mode that states both things as different.

[green maple]

Can we just ask the devs if they consider magma as a trap

That would be so fast lmao

[waxen juniper]

It would

[zinc spade]

👌

Better that than to argue for hours.

[green maple]

But dont tag the devs lmao theyve got work to do

[zinc spade]

Just ask chaos.

[green maple]

Chaos knows everything O son of hades

[jolly crescent]

They can answer that, it is fast

[verbal rivet]

Why would you expect lava to "turn off" when the chamber is cleared. Even if it is a trap.

[jolly crescent]

@pure hamlet Can you tell us if magma is considered a trap? It has been a huge discussion here.

Thank you!!

[quiet gull]

Yeah, as mentioned, not all traps turn off after room clear

[opaque nexus]

achilles is a really solid speed weapon for consistency, but it's pretty difficult to use so that's why it's not very popular. the hidden spear also has fast times but is very inconsistent

one runner got a zag spear time just out of the top 10 but he's so good I think that's just him and not necessarily the weapon being that good

[brisk trail]

Magma is a trap.

[opaque nexus]

I think hades aspect is the slowest speed weapon in terms of what the fastest clear is

but it definitely is more useful in high heat

[icy fox]

It's mainly inconsistent because you're not supposed to be able to take damage in a cleared chamber

[pliant sparrow]

no thats not true

[opaque nexus]

I like it

[pliant sparrow]

elysium chambers have traps that dont deactivate

[opaque nexus]

for clearing stubborn defiance

the eggs

that regeneratew

trust me being able to kill yourself after a room is really useful

[prisma wind]

Yeah, every biome except Styx has traps you can use after clearing

[pliant sparrow]

whats it in tart?

[opaque nexus]

I think the saws in styx still linger a bit

[prisma wind]

Exploding urns

[quiet gull]

This isnt really a rule. You're made invulnerable for a small period after the room clears, but I'm pretty sure I've been hit by a stray projectile a bit after that period wears off

[opaque nexus]

although those are a one time use

[pliant sparrow]

once i had poison linger after a styx clera

that could have been a bug tho

[opaque nexus]

for how long

[prisma wind]

Sometimes the poison clouds do linger in Styx but I don't think it's intentional

[pliant sparrow]

dunno i just got out as fast as possible

since i was poisoned

[opaque nexus]

oh fun fact: a lot of things in Hades' code are rolling a number for something to happen, with a 100% chance of happening. For example, it rolls a number between 3 and 3 when vengeful mood ticks

I'm guessing this was done to make it consistent with all the other rng

[quiet gull]

Making calls to the RNG even for certain events helps increase randomness all around, which is desirable in a roguelite

[opaque nexus]

yeah

but can make routing kind of a pain

[quiet gull]

By design!

[opaque nexus]

btw if you haven't seen a routed speedrun yet it's kind of insane

[icy fox]

Wait, what do you mean by routed speedrun?

Are you capable of setting the run seed?

[opaque nexus]

Well, it’s a bit complicated

[flat vapor]

nah, but you're capable of keeping a save with a good seed on it

and you also need to be good at rng manipulation too...

[opaque nexus]

Each room has a different seed

This is why when you give up a run, which doesn’t change the seed, you will see the same boon or hammer in the first room and the same reward in the second room, but after that the rooms will appear to be different from the last time you played it. To get any further than that, you need to manually manipulate the other seeds. In routed runs you will see runners use casts after clearing a room, open and close menus, etc.

This is all to change the rng

And there are some things that completely mess this up

But I don’t really know much about that stuff

I hope that makes any sense

[quiet gull]

That's not exactly how it goes. "Seed" refers to the initial RNG seed at the start of the run. After that, any action that calls the RNG will make it move forward. Since there are so many calls for RNG, it's means entropy gets very high very fast. The seed is still the same, though

[rustic valve]

got a good example of a routed run? Or just the ones on the speedrun leaderboards?

[opaque nexus]

Those

[quiet gull]

Anything that says "seeded" is a "routed run"

[opaque nexus]

Just click misc and then go to any heat early access

[rustic valve]

alrighty

I'll take a look

got me really curious

[opaque nexus]

Yes this

I recommend checking Vorime’s WR runs from Nighty Night and Blood Price @rustic valve

[rustic valve]

gotcha, started on the Nighty Night one now

[opaque nexus]

Zag rail is used there because with spread fire it makes each dash strike shoot 3 times

And then you add a bunch of chaos dash strike boons

This also applies to nemesis

Which is used in blood price

Nemesis with double edge specifically

[brisk trail]

Rail Dash-Strikes only fire once.

But they've got an extremely short refire time so you'll usually get multiple rounds with a single button press.

[opaque nexus]

Yeah

That’s what I mean

[upbeat sigil]

hey for the record, i would buy a plush of almost anything in this game, including the fish, especially the chrustacean

just saying, if supergiant theoretically sold plushes of anything in this game

i would buy it

[distant night]

or a art book of how the designs came to be

i'd just instantly buy it, take my money sgg

[upbeat sigil]

i would also buy that

for different reasons, but i would love that

i mean, also, the chrustacean journal entry literally says they could stay safe in lava but they sometimes come to the shores because they want a friend

i love them

also

i would 100% buy like, a bouldy pillow

[brisk trail]

i want a plushie of a chibi

[upbeat sigil]

like, one of those fun squishy pillows but it's bouldy

[distant night]

i thought you said "body pillow"

[brisk trail]

even if it's just a head

[upbeat sigil]

haha, bouldy best waifu

[distant night]

hahaha

romance bouldy in hades 2021

[upbeat sigil]

i would never

can't take him away from sisyphus

those two belong together

[distant night]

friend-romance bouldy in hades 2021?

like therapeutic times where zag carries bouldy up the hill and sisyphus just sits back making friends like he usually does?

[upbeat sigil]

hell yeah

that i'm all about

[astral swift]

Sisyphus bonds with the shades and grows a fanbase

[upbeat sigil]

imagine bouldy crowdsurfing

lol

[astral swift]

Tartarus becomes a rave party

[faint burrow]

ive got a spare disco ball from the lounge Ill donate to said party

dont forget to invite

[elder epoch]

do you guys think hades will have workshop support in the future?

[faint burrow]

you mean for third party mods?

[elder epoch]

yes, for modding

[prisma wind]

Last I heard they had no plans for Steam Workshop support, but there is still an active modding community if you're interested. There's a pin in #self-promotion

[verbal rivet]

so that means that they arent too hateful towards the modding side of the game? as some devs may be

[elder epoch]

woah didnt know hades modding existed, i'm in

[prisma wind]

I'll refer you to Greg's answer from the Q&A channel https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/657651096440930348

[narrow hemlock]

there's more recent answers than that where they said they didn't plan to officially support mods edit; got distracted and forgot the link lol #ask-supergiant message

[timid grove]

are there any dlc`s planned?

[daring aurora]

I don't think so

I was wondering what people's preferred control schemes were (like Keyboard + Mouse vs. Gamepad, preferred bindings, etc.)?

I personally use KBM with all my attacks bound to mouse buttons

[brisk trail]

I think controller is a little more common than MKB.

But MKB is perfectly fine.

[waxen juniper]

I feel like games with omnidirectional movement are usually best with controller. At least for me

[brisk trail]

I just use default kbm

but that's cause i got used to it

[waxen juniper]

And keyboard and mouse just feels strange to me.

[brisk trail]

having stuff bound to extra mouse buttons sounds more convenient

[distant night]

with kbm the only thing i changed was i switched special and cast

[daring aurora]

have you considered controls in the context of finer control of moving with joystick, or aiming with mouse?

[waxen juniper]

Yes..
but your brain also has to adjust

[distant night]

since i dont have enough buttons on my mouse

[waxen juniper]

That is a good decision for sure

The weird thing for me was how the mouse points at the direction you attack. For something like the bow or rail, that makes a lot of sense. But it feels really strange for melee weapons.

[daring aurora]

What do you mean? like you feel like its more intuitive to aim where you're moving?

[brisk trail]

you can disable it in the controls

attack on cursor

though i can't without it

[waxen juniper]

Ah, seems nice. Regardless, I very much prefer controller with this game

Tbh, I don't say that about many games

I play celeste with keyboard

[brisk trail]

to be fair, it does say that hades is better with a controller or smth like that on the splash screen

[waxen juniper]

It does indeed

[upbeat sigil]

ok, i have something to present to everyone for discussion

https://tiermaker.com/list/random/hades-characters-by-how-much-i-want-to-be-their-friend-709094/995743

anyone have any thoughts?

[waxen juniper]

Everyone grows on me in some form or another

[prisma wind]

Asterius not high enough on list

[brisk trail]

That is very close to my feelings on the matter, actually.

[waxen juniper]

Tisiphone ends up being one of my favorites. :D

[brisk trail]

Maybe rate Skelly a little higher.

"Please go away but I'm a little sorry"

Perfect.

[upbeat sigil]

asterius is chill, i do like him, i would just put both him and skelly in good friends instead of great friends

[brisk trail]

Sure sure, just personal ratings.

[upbeat sigil]

and yeah, i don't want anything to do with tsiphone, but i feel a little bad about it since she seems misunderstood

[brisk trail]

I truly don't think she's misunderstood.

[upbeat sigil]

but like, also, i don't want to get killed trying to help understand her

[prisma wind]

Tissy

[waxen juniper]

I think you'll like her later 😉

[brisk trail]

She's just nearly as mindless as a Wretched Shade.

So single-minded that it's almost without thought.

[upbeat sigil]

hm, yeah, maybe

that makes sense

i still keep her in please go away but i feel a little bad tier

[waxen juniper]

She has a wonderful dialogue string down the rode. Yes, it is simple... but it is a lovely thing to witness

[brisk trail]

||"Mmmurrderrr... Zzagreus."||

[upbeat sigil]

ooo, looking forward to it

[brisk trail]

Don't click that spoiler.

[upbeat sigil]

oh

too late lol

why?

[brisk trail]

Don't worry about it.

[upbeat sigil]

o-ok...

[waxen juniper]

In general, I think they do a fantastic job with the character arcs for the game

[upbeat sigil]

i agree

i was literally just gushing earlier about how wonderful the character writing is

in the story and spoilers channel

[lone sinew]

You have a head friend in real life?

[upbeat sigil]

no, but i have a friend with a very very similar personality

[brisk trail]

That friend who is super timid and kinda just eager to please that everyone wants to protect.

[upbeat sigil]

so much so that when i talk to dusa, i get reminded of them every time

[lone sinew]

I know what you meant I was just joking

[brisk trail]

just stuff Dusa in a football helmet

[upbeat sigil]

😦

poor dusa

[brisk trail]

It's for her protection!

[upbeat sigil]

ohhh lol

[lone sinew]

I'm really interested at learning about the owners of the hidden weapon aspects the only one I know is Arthur

[upbeat sigil]

i should have realized

[lone sinew]

Imma go read about them

[brisk trail]

Fun fact: ||Guan Yu was a real person! Lucifer was not.||

[waxen juniper]

||Lucifer is just Satan||

[brisk trail]

||Yes, I know.||

[lone sinew]

Oh... yeah? He's ||lucifer from Netflix series? 😂||

[upbeat sigil]

i know ||arthur and lucifer||, and i know ||gilgamesh|| kind of. I know have heard of ||beowulf and know its some old english story|| and know nothing about the others

[waxen juniper]

He's also a main character of a crime tv show

Beat me to it!

[brisk trail]

You ever play Dynasty Warriors?

[upbeat sigil]

i think imma head out for now, i'll see you guys later

[waxen juniper]

||Beowulf and Gilgamesh|| are incredibly good stories

[upbeat sigil]

👋

[brisk trail]

Later.

[lone sinew]

Alright going to read about them see ya later

[waxen juniper]

My favorite epic is Dante's Inferno.

Anyways, that's a conversation left for #off-topic-discussion maybe

[thick atlas]

nice, got my first win and so far I havent lost once. Im 3 wins in a row now

[waxen juniper]

Ayyy!

[steady forum]

is there a reason hermes hasn't given me quick reload yet or am I really really unlucky? I have infernal soul active so

(I'm on switch)

[lone sinew]

Most likely you are unlucky I don't think quick reload has any requirements

[distant night]

"Cannot be combined with hidden shield, Crystal Beam, Curse of Drowning, Slicing Shot, Trippy shot" do you maybe get those and therefore lock it out for yourself?

[steady forum]

hmm, could definitely be

I do prefer those

I'll keep looking

[distant night]

ok so i hope you get it next time then :)

[quiet gull]

Kinda hard to get a boon that makes stones drop quicker with casts that dont lodge stones

[steady forum]

that does make sense

[waxen juniper]

Yoyo talus is dumb 😆

I love it!

[brisk trail]

is that tempest strike talos?

[waxen juniper]

Yep!

[brisk trail]

i tried that the other day with tidal dash lmao

maximum pain

also had crystal embrace beam for extra memes

[waxen juniper]

Ohhh, cold embrace+ talos actually seems pretty good

[steady forum]

yeah I think it was just that, I'm an idiot lmao

[waxen juniper]

Fingers crossed for sea storm!

sigh no sea storm :(

[winter harbor]

How does Sisyphus get the stuff he offers you?

[waxen juniper]

Tbh, Lightning rod was far better than I expected.

[remote anchor]

Believe in bouldy

[winter cape]

How do people get below 10 mins run? I tried my best and could only get 20 mins

I saw my friend posted 7 mins run

[distant night]

get lucky with free rooms and dont be too scared of companions running out

[winter cape]

best companion for fast run? Meg?

[distant night]

yes

the only negative of meg as companion is that you cant use her to "skip" the first boss anymore but eh

also ||EM2|| is great for speedy runs and always going for middle market and harder rooms (since they are faster)

[glass ledge]

Is there any benefit to playing on hell mode?

Should I start a new game?

[distant night]

hell mode is just challenging yourself more than before; if you want that or just see how much faster you will do now - go for fresh file :)

[wraith bay]

Hi guys, maybe you could help me. Are devs planning to up casts scale for Beowulf aspect for high levels? I spent whole day trying all casts, and besides Dio, cast are limited to much. Like Demeter, Zeus are almost unplayable, having 170 base dmg as a limit, Athena, Aphro - about 250, while Dio has 160 on lvl 1 + 30% ice wine.
While casual casts could be helped by open wounds or mirage shot, Beowulf casts just suck big d**k. And this 10% dmg penalty is just unfair.

[quiet gull]

Beo is fine tho

[glass ledge]

I can still unlock everything on normal file?

[distant night]

yes

[quiet gull]

Yes

[glass ledge]

Okay thanks

[wraith bay]

@quiet gull I found only build throught special and Dio cast strong, all another casts are between mediocre (Athena, Poseidon casts) in best case or literally unplayable (Demeter, Ares, Zeus).

[distant night]

@atomic relic after this message pretty much

[atomic relic]

ty! ill read up on it soon

[distant night]

sure thing :)

[lone sinew]

My next run will def be ||lucifer|| with Athena I got this weapon today and I kinda liked it I want to experiment and deflect is gonna be easy to do with its attack

[rancid vapor]

I will never ever use the anvil again. Just lost 230 HP from cursed slash.

[dusky estuary]

Anvil is a dangerous game.

[fluid belfry]

omg i just read the wiki pages for 4th aspects

i'm never going to get there UGH

[brisk trail]

good for quick prophecy achievements; it's not that bad fact is it breaks the rithm you got in the run

[fluid belfry]

so much titan blood

[rancid vapor]

Yeah it's no good if you're doing 17 heat for the first time with Arthur and the game decides to take 60% of your HP away on your tank build.I still made it somehow because Hermes gave me +30% attack, but I lost two lives to the traps on the ground one-shotting me because of the pact's trap damage increase

[fluid belfry]

what a coincidence that @lone sinew just unlocked it, mind telling me how long it took to unlock that rail ?

like how long you've played the game since start

[brisk trail]

fingercross on patroclo's bless then, but ic your point. Im more mad at the fact im still looking for dumb blessing and items to get basic rewards even after so long time playng

[timid compass]

Hey so it's been 2-3 days since I started farming chaos portals for both the missing fish and the legendary chaos boon and I didn't manage to get any of them (in about 8 runs I only got a single fishing spot and it was with the skeletal bait).I'm also using god's legacy and I know that I need another chaos boon before if I want the legendary. Am I doing something wrong or is it just absurdly rare?

(also for some reason ||Poseidon's heart unlocked itself even though I only had 17 out of the 18 fishes.don't know what's up with that.||)

[distant night]

absurdly rare, chaos fishing points really have tobe forced in to trustfully appear and the legendary took me personally extremely long to get

[timid compass]

not to mention if I want the full info log I need 2 of these which is a bummer

[quiet gull]

You dont need 18 different types of fish, you need to have successfully fished something, ANYthing, 18 times total

[timid compass]

I'm pretty sure I already have well above 100 fishes
||yet I only unlocked his heart todat||

[quiet gull]

It's the second part of the quest that is the tricky thing

[timid compass]

what is it?

[quiet gull]

Catching a fish before talking to Poseidon for the first time in a run

[timid compass]

huh

now that you mention it I think I unlocked it after the first room

I wish you could chose in which room to use the skeletal bait
that would be really helpful
I'm guessing charon's keepsake doesn't work with that kind of items?

[gaunt valley]

oh my i got a exclusive access as my 3rd boon

[carmine ravine]

if we can choose, it will be too op

and yes charon dont work on those dtuff

[timid compass]

watch me use all my baits on the surface

[distant night]

sadly not possible ;-;

would be fantastic tho

[icy fox]

It's supposed to extend effects by 4-8 rooms though

If I buy something that affects 1 room it should affect 9

[carmine ravine]

thats not how it works

[timid compass]

technically it lasts for infinite rooms

[distant night]

skeleton bait only works for the next possible room

since you can get wells only in the tunnels the next room is automatically cerberus' lounge

[carmine ravine]

its clearly says the next room whenever posible, indicating no duration

[distant night]

you gotta get real lucky with chaos sigils then

[rose thunder]

How do you improve the hearts with hades

[prisma wind]

Progress the story

[carmine ravine]

yeah play more

[distant night]

||Hades' favor involves getting Persephone to return to the House of Hades. The affinity gauge will be unlocked when Hades expresses his gratefulness for bringing her back. || thats how you do exactly but extreme spoiler

so click at your own risk lol

[rose thunder]

Okay thanks

[timid compass]

While I'm at it, how do I unlock hypnos's heart?

[carmine ravine]

rng dialogues

[timid compass]

oof

btw I've been using poseidon's keepsake for all my runs where I tried to get the fishing boon but I've noticed that the first boon I get are always for my main abilities
should I wait until asphodel to grab the conch or take it from the start to guarantee that I'll get poseidon in my run?

[gaunt valley]

legendary boons have certain requirements

[winter harbor]

conch shell only replaces one of the requirements for the fishing legendary

[gaunt valley]

for the fishing boon you need two of the following
conch
treasure boon
the other treasure boon

[timid compass]

I know

[winter harbor]

And gods will try to offer you a core boon until all the core boon slots are filled

[timid compass]

so I should get all my core boons before taking the shell?

[icy fox]

I feel like poseidon should be changed to work on bosses

I should be able to smack bosses all over the map

[quiet gull]

There are a couple support boons for Poseidon that help with bosses

One of which is literally just +% damage on bosses

[timid compass]

it kinda does?
I once decided to use his boon on my special with malphon and he went flying through the map

though sometimes he barely even moves

[icy fox]

That +% damage patches up the fact that your whole knockback build turns useless

And doesn't make up for it

[quiet gull]

No, you cant slam bosses oolung

[icy fox]

At the very least it should make every single knockback hit proc all barrier/wall hit effects

Make every hit on a boss count as a wall slam

[quiet gull]

Well, the hidden lesson here is that Poseidon attack and special boons are mostly crap

[timid compass]

oh you mean the damage when they hit wall

[icy fox]

Or just, you know, remove boss knockback immunity

[quiet gull]

No, oolung. You cant knockback bosses at all

[timid compass]

I DID.

[quiet gull]

No

You didnt

[timid compass]

literally 2 runs ago

[gaunt valley]

what boss was it?

[timid compass]

||hades||

[quiet gull]

Trust me, you imagined it.

[gaunt valley]

probably hit them at the same time as they moved

[quiet gull]

That boss can zoom around the map at high speeds

[gaunt valley]

which made it look like a knock back

[icy fox]

Why can't a game that gives debuff effects make the bosses not arbitrarilly immune to some of them

If you add a boon tree focused around inflicting knockback, it shouldn't be useless on the core part of the run

[quiet gull]

Bosses arent immune to any debuffs

(knockback isnt a debuff)

[icy fox]

They're immune to knockback

They're resistant to charm

Charm's supposed to last 5 seconds but I'm lucky to get that one boss in the dual boss to whack the other once

[rancid vapor]

charm is still fun to mess with bosses, especially the final boss imo

[icy fox]

I mean at least charm does something to a boss, and it's still valuable to interrupt their moves

Knockback does jack-all

[quiet gull]

Charm effectively makes you invulnerable to boss attacks for its duration, it's already amazing versus bosses

Dude, not everything has to be equally effective versus bosses

There's a reason Poseidon attack and special boons are a meme, and you just figured out why

[icy fox]

Why should I take poseidon when it doesn't do anything to the main run-ending threat?

It should be made effective against bosses

[rancid vapor]

if it helps you clear faster then it might be worth it

[icy fox]

A build that can beat bosses (most builds) can track regular rooms, a build that can trash regular rooms (poseidon) sucks on bosses

[nocturne ginkgo]

there is literally a boon of poseidons that effects bosses

[quiet gull]

It's already effective against bosses dude, Poseidon boons boost your damage

[nocturne ginkgo]

also pos has the best damage by percent

[quiet gull]

If you want support boons that work against bosses, then TAKE support boons that affect bosses

It's not rocket science

[icy fox]

Why can't they just make knockback work on bosses?

[quiet gull]

No, that's Aphro

[quiet gull]

Because they dont want to

[nocturne ginkgo]

oh its aphro now?

[quiet gull]

It's always been aphro I think

[nocturne ginkgo]

there was a time that pos had like insane scaling

but still pos has the more damage to bosses boon

[rancid vapor]

Wave Pounding
Your boons with Knock-Away effects deal bonus damage to bosses.

[timid compass]

I GOT THE CHAOS LEGENDARY

HAHAA

[distant night]

gg!!!

[quiet gull]

Poseidon boon's all have an appropriate power level. If you wanna whine about underpowered things, join us in crying about Dio Dash :V

[nocturne ginkgo]

true

[distant night]

dio dash is weird

but as is aphro dash

[nocturne ginkgo]

poison stacking is weird in general

[quiet gull]

Aphro dash is fine

[distant night]

true but it works fantastic with the bow

[nocturne ginkgo]

oh trust me I love running dio bow special

but what I mean is that mutliple sources of poison overwrite eachother

so you can mess up your damage

[quiet gull]

Yeah, and the boon that makes hangover enemies spread hangover literally reduces your DPS

[nocturne ginkgo]

(unless they fixed that)

[quiet gull]

THAT'S a boon taht should be changed

[timid compass]

Fishing boon let's gooo
how many rooms does a floor last?
it feels like asphodel is WAY shorter than the others

[quiet gull]

You can check the chamber number any time

Tartarus is 14 chambers, Asphodel is 10, Elysium is 12

[brisk trail]

why does it reduce dps

[timid compass]

I just noticed the cosmic egg increases the chance for rare or above chaos boons
wish I knew that before farming the legendary

[quiet gull]

Because it will overwrite your high damage hangover with its own much lower hangover damage

[brisk trail]

ah

[opaque nexus]

@quiet gull well that includes end shop, starting room, and boss room

[quiet gull]

Sure, but it does so for each area

[timid compass]

I'm currently using exagryph and I took a demeter boon so I could stack slows easily but now I have no damage with my basic attack
should I take the boon that makes enemies explode after 10 stacks or the one that make them melt?

[quiet gull]

Probably Arctic Blast

Killing Freeze is also great, but it only activates if ALL enemies are chilled

Quite good for bosses, though

[brisk trail]

I wonder why it's like that

[distant night]

why killing freeze needs all enemies to be chilled?

[carmine ravine]

its in the boon description

[quiet gull]

I mean, it IS extremely powerful to just apply to anything any time

[waxen juniper]

Ayyy, just got the ||epilogue achievement|| !

[carmine ravine]

one for the ages?

[waxen juniper]

That's the one

[carmine ravine]

oh nice

[timid compass]

That fishing run was actually terrible
didn't get a single chaos portal after getting the boon and only got 4 fishes

[waxen juniper]

That is incredibly unlucky!

[carmine ravine]

4 already pretty good

[waxen juniper]

Not for the fishing run

[brisk trail]

stonewhals make up a large portion of my gem supply

[timid compass]

3 is the average I get without the boon

4's barely an improvement

[carmine ravine]

its rng

[waxen juniper]

I think I got about 10 in that run. Sorry you didn't get the same luck

[carmine ravine]

sometimes i dont even get any fish at all

[timid compass]

btw how many fated prophecies are there?
I just cleared my 54th and I don't have any new one

[waxen juniper]

Have you got the ||epilogue|| already?

If so, it's probable you've completed it all

[timid compass]

yep

[waxen juniper]

I currently only have 2 left

[distant night]

55 prophecies if i couted correctly on the wiki

[waxen juniper]

I need 3 duos and 2 chaos boons

[timid compass]

let me guess: the chaos boons prophecy is one of them?

oh

is there a prophecy for the 2nd ||skelly statue?||

[waxen juniper]

I know there is an achievement, so it may be a hidden prophecy

Also, what is everyone's thoughts on cold fusion?

[prisma wind]

From memory there's only the one prophecy around that

[brisk trail]

there's a prophecy for boons and one for curses

[timid compass]

ooh
is there a prophecy that has something to do with hypnos?

[narrow hemlock]

i dont believe so

[timid compass]

Wait
if there's a prophecy for both blessing and curses of chaos
don't tell me I need to get the legendary again?

[quiet gull]

No

The curse part can be attached to any boon

[distant night]

primordial boons and primordial banes?

[waxen juniper]

Does amyone know how much damage the jolted ability would do if it is an epic boon?

[distant night]

60 * 1.8-2.0

[waxen juniper]

I had a common jolted boon with cold fusion, and I think that's why the run didn't go so well

[distant night]

108 - 120?

[scarlet siren]

What cast works good with Hera bow?

[waxen juniper]

Festive Fog

[distant night]

^

[timid compass]

I used the aphrodite one and it was pretty powerful

[waxen juniper]

And Hera Bow with stygian soul is never a bad idea

So again, what are people's thoughts on cold fusion? I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.

It's hard to tell how powerful jolted is for it to be worth it

[timid compass]

So I went through my list of minor prophecies and I'm missing the one that requires me to get all items in charon's well
however I have the achievement for it

does anyone know how to unlock it?

[distant night]

does that one tell which you miss?

[timid compass]

No
the thing is that it's not on the list at all

[pliant sparrow]

Hm for some reason final boss only spawned one green jar

In the middle of the field

[timid compass]

drink from it

[quiet gull]

You need to switch to Stubborn Defiance for Touch of Styx

[timid compass]

so customer loyalty is a hidden prophecty?

[floral geyser]

Switch version is how many patches behind?

[quiet gull]

Many

Hasnt been updated since 1.0 pretty much

[floral geyser]

[raw lantern]

[narrow hemlock]

i feel like switch will get updated whenever they get cross saves worked out, but we won't know until they do update i guess

[atomic lagoon]

[calm eagle]

One question

Noob question

To get a duo boon

If I have a Zeus boon and a Poseidon boon

I need to get either Zeus or Poseidon to trigger the duo boon to appear right?

[distant night]

yeah as long as it isnt in trial of the gods

[calm eagle]

Oh

Gotcha

Thanks

[distant night]

you have checked with the codex if you have everything for the duo boon right?

[radiant estuary]

Additionally, you need to pick up certain boons in order to get duos to show up at all

[calm eagle]

I’m not on a run atm, I just asked because it doesn’t say that in the wiki

[quiet gull]

Duo boons have very specific requirements, which you can check when you have the codex upgrade

Oh, yeah, you can get it from either god

Once you meet the reqs

[calm eagle]

I checked some web page about it

[radiant estuary]

Though in general, the requirements for them to show up tend to be all boons that fit into your main slots during a run (attack, special, cast, dash, and call)

[distant night]

as long as you have the requirements you can get the duo anywhere but in a trial of the gods, best way to go with the mirror aspect to get the duo to appear if oyu really really need it

[calm eagle]

And I know some duos are pretty loose and others are very specific

Ok so to follow up

[distant night]

the poseidon-zeus boon got nerfed tho right? so poseidon dash doesnt trigger it?

[calm eagle]

If I do have both boons and I meet the qualifications for a duo, the next time I find either god is it guaranteed to appear?

[distant night]

not guaranteed, no

there is just a chance for it to appear which is pretty smoll, as the run goes on tho and th eboon pool gets smaller you are more likely to get it by end-elysium/styx

[radiant estuary]

Though if you luck out enough, you could also get a duo by the end of Tartarus

[distant night]

yes

[radiant estuary]

I managed to get the Posiden/Dio duo that way once

[distant night]

either extreme luck or mad rerolls + mirror aspect

[quiet gull]

Nothing is guaranteed in Hades, except death

Not capital D Death, just death

That one is also random

[calm eagle]

I hate Tartarus

[distant night]

well another guaranteed thing is that skelly wont ever fight back

maybe one day~

EM27 : skelly has enough of you running past him for your speedruns

[calm eagle]

Oh we can’t swear here

[distant night]

the less you hit him the more damage he does

[winter cape]

Are there any builds that uses Meg's keepsake? (Deal 40% more dmg while at 35% hp or lesss)

[open harness]

I haven’t seen any, but I think that if you did your research you could find a build that relied on being at low health

It probably pairs well if you rely on DD

[bright nymph]

How do I gift to ||Persephone|| it's not giving me the option when I ||meet her after escaping (no heat)||?

[granite ether]

It tends to pair better with SD

[prisma wind]

Just gotta keep playing, you'll be able to eventually

[bright nymph]

ah thanks

[runic agate]

Beat the game 10 times then it will show

[faint flint]

why does the act 3 boss suddenly have new moves

not talking about extreme measures

[brisk trail]

wdym

bull horn and delta strike?

[distant night]

after an argument they decide to work more together if you mean that?

[waxen juniper]

Oh yeah, bull horn. How do you avoid that? It's like there is no indicator for when it happens

[brisk trail]

one will move to the other

[distant night]

honestly just hide behind pillars whenever these two big guys are too close to one another

[quiet gull]

They scream something

[distant night]

bull horn gets screamed afterwards

[waxen juniper]

After the attack. The scream is not helpful

[distant night]

yeah if you see them go towards each other and that asterius kinda kneels down: bullhorn

[waxen juniper]

Okay. I'll definitely start looking for that in my upcoming runs

[opal magnet]

hmm, what causes people to be missing?

just rng?

[waxen juniper]

I think so, but I cannot confirm

[distant night]

rng and getting their story along

||for "enemies" like meg cerberus and hades they will be missing if you died 100%||

[brisk trail]

I'm curious, what is ||tiny vermin|| like with MM?

[faint flint]

urgh

heavy knuckle sucks with support fire

I'm only taking it because i have a prophecy to do

[distant night]

didnt somebody say ||tiny vermin|| doesnt get any buffs of MM?

[brisk trail]

I see

[distant night]

since it's a ||secret|| boss like ||charon||?

[brisk trail]

wait, is it?

isn't it just a miniboss

[distant night]

it has a boss bar

minibosses dont have boss bars

[faint flint]

how does athena legendary work with dodhe

[waxen juniper]

With what?

[faint flint]

dodge

eg

you have 75 percent dodge

does it consume athena buff

then roll for dodge

[waxen juniper]

Oh. Dodge means you don't get hit. So the shield does not proc

[faint flint]

nice

wait

doesnt dodge mean you do get hit

since hermes boon is worded that you have a chance to dodge when hi

[winter harbor]

If you don't get hit legendary doesn't proc

[waxen juniper]

If you were to get hit, you have a chance to dodge instead. Dodge is a replacement effect

Don't you love when the Fated Persuasion reroll gives you the same bloody choices? -_-

What are some tips on Aspect of Nemesis? I feel like I am struggling with it

[heady oriole]

Forgot what’s nemesis is?

[waxen juniper]

When you use your special, your attack has a chance to do critical damage

It is a sword aspect

[heady oriole]

Of that

[waxen juniper]

Yes. That.

[heady oriole]

I just put artemis boons

There’s a saying u need more crits

[waxen juniper]

Any other ideas?

[rapid forum]

arty dash is good with nemesis

prob put aphro on special

get arty aphro duo

not much else

honestly

[lone kernel]

what's like, the average number of enemies per run if you make it to the end

[rapid forum]

I never count

[uncut kelp]

still butthurt over tlou2 winning over Hades

[winter harbor]

I actually don't know

there's the scrying bowl but I don't check it consistently enough between runs to get a number

[brisk trail]

I have like 40k enemies slain with 91 wins

[heady oriole]

So Max playing hades

Or it’s gonna be some bait stream

[nimble bolt]

hey can anyone define the descriptionn of "aspect of achilles" for me?

what is post-rush bonus dmg?

the dmg that i deal after i do the raging rush will increase or ...?

the dmg of raging rush itself will increase?

[brisk trail]

It's best with Zeus.

[red tiger]

depends what aspect you're using with it

[nimble bolt]

spear

[delicate cobalt]

when you use your especial and then use it again it moves you to the position of the spear

[red tiger]

?

im talking to @brisk trail

[delicate cobalt]

I was answering 6X

[nimble bolt]

yeah but if i wanna level up that mode of spear what am i actually leveling up?

[red tiger]

the ? was to 6x

doesnt matter lol

[nimble bolt]

like, if i level up the aspect of zagreus of spear, then the sepecial dmg, range and speed will increase

[delicate cobalt]

the amount of damage after the raging rush

[nimble bolt]

lol

[brisk trail]

iirc achilles buffs your next 4 attacks/casts after special

[nimble bolt]

kk

that helps a lot

thanks guys

[delicate cobalt]

anyone knows how to max out cerberous relation?

[brisk trail]

keep petting him

[delicate cobalt]

just pet him

[tired sundial]

You must pet

[bright nymph]

Which non-hidden shield aspect should I use for a first escape?