h1-discussion

[brave dove]

nothing happening when i press c

[brisk trail]

did u rebind the codex button

[brave dove]

nope

[brisk trail]

weird

[brave dove]

an X appears over my head tho

[scarlet perch]

I play on controller

[brisk trail]

oh you have to not be in combat

[brave dove]

oh

[scarlet perch]

Yes

[brisk trail]

my b lol

speaking of b I rebound the boon list to tab

I think that works better

[scarlet perch]

I bind map buttons to tab

[brave dove]

|| aight time to try and kick Hades's butt||

[scarlet perch]

When I play on kbm

[brisk trail]

I always go tab or R for inventory

[scarlet perch]

Bc I played ETG and I got used to holding tab

I started playing pc games in like December

But that was factorial

Factories

Omg

Factorio

And didn’t start playing other things until September

So I don’t have much experience in pc binds

[brave dove]

||Hades rlly do be attacking while impervious||

[scarlet perch]

Yep

[brave dove]

|| I BEAT HIM OMFG||

[brisk trail]

!!!!

[wild schooner]

i actually was right next to a fishing spot when i tried to pick up the stuff, so i immediately started fishing

[scarlet perch]

Good job

Now beat him like, a lot for || kind of true ending||

[brave dove]

||oo u get more titan blood||

[brisk trail]

||oh u get a whole lot more just wait||

[wild schooner]

GG toothless!

[scarlet perch]

||every heat level, you get more TB, diamonds and ambrosia||

For each seperate weapon

[brisk trail]

it's awesome

[graceful shell]

GJ Toothless!!!

[jaunty vapor]

Pog

welcome to the winners cloob

How many runs?

[brave dove]

gotta check

[north drum]

guys there's a problem

[brave dove]

||oo so zag is bound to tartarus and etc||

[north drum]

75% of Hades players have escaped Tartarus but only 31% have pet Cerberus at least 10 times. This is a grave issue. How do we fix it??

[brave dove]

make everyone pet cerberus

[north drum]

YES

sold.

[brisk trail]

Cerberus propaganda

[north drum]

Officially the best boy.

[scarlet perch]

Yes

[jaunty vapor]

this is a good run

[brave dove]

aight so

after 46 attempts
and 8816 foes slain finally made it out

[jaunty vapor]

||Deathless hades in like a minute and a half or two mins, yeesh||

And noice

3rd fastest ever run of mine

[brisk trail]

god the story behind my fastest time is so funny

[brave dove]

?

[jaunty vapor]

What is said time?

[brisk trail]

ok lemme explain

[scarlet perch]

Circle time

[brisk trail]

||I was trying out zag spear after quite a while of not using it, made it to dad after what felt like forever, and died when he had a sliver of health left in phase 2. on 0 heat. it felt like I was doing no damage at all so I was feeling Gamer Pain. I decided to go for a heart rend nemesis run right after||

this was me showing up 10 minutes later to cook his books https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391060727445717004/782409439268438056/nemesis2.png

[jaunty vapor]

My fastest run as of now is 18 mins

story behind it is pretty simple

Demeter fists and rush kick

[brisk trail]

heres the build https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/782401268358053928/unknown.png

oh it ended a 17 streak too

thats part of why I was upset

[jaunty vapor]

D'aww

[graceful shell]

wow 11-12 minutes

nice

[brisk trail]

it was cathartic lmao

[jaunty vapor]

I'm near the point of just turning on time limit 2

[brisk trail]

sword is my comfort weapon

[jaunty vapor]

||First companion unlocked, peeg||

Fists are my comfort weapon tbh

[brisk trail]

as u can probably tell

[jaunty vapor]

I'm not amazing at the game

but it's fun

[wild schooner]

zag shield is my comfort weapon

[scarlet perch]

Idk what mine is yet

I like shield

But sword is good too

[wild schooner]

zag shield is just so satisfying to beat people with

[solar sonnet]

i dunno why

but spear feels weak

maybe its just me

it doesn't output enough dmg

[scarlet perch]

Yeah

[solar sonnet]

i even got Achilles spear and it still feels like it does no dmg

[brave dove]

for me its shield

or rail

how good is just the first unlock of aspect of nemesis

[brisk trail]

it's good

level 2 is the best bang for ur buck

[brave dove]

||aight so guess i gotta kill Hades more||

[brisk trail]

spoiliop

[brave dove]

wait do the ||furies give more blood in heat level 1||

[wild schooner]

Because ||all bounties are refreshed every time you go up in heat||

[brisk trail]

^

[brave dove]

||nice||

[oak schooner]

Quick question - does the Strong Drink damage buff persist after you purge the boon?

[brisk trail]

I don't think you can iirc

[wild schooner]

Whats strong drink do again?

[green maple]

Including keepsakes is it possible to meet all gods in a single run

Fountain gives dmg and fills health

[brisk trail]

hmm

[brave dove]

yea i think u can meet all the gods in a run

[brisk trail]

I think max gods in a run is 7+hermes

[oak schooner]

Strong Drink gives +X% damage after visiting a fountain.

[green maple]

7+hermes

[brisk trail]

because you can get 4 in tartarus then force 3 others

[brave dove]

oh

[green maple]

4 in tartarus+ 3 keepsakes

+hermes & chaos

9!

[brisk trail]

oh yeah chaos too

[green maple]

That would be a random mess tho lmao

All gods but no tier 2 boon

[brisk trail]

so ur missing out on one Olympic god

[brave dove]

technically fighting Hades and encounterin perse would be another 2 gods since u said meet

not get a boon

[wild schooner]

How many gods are there again? Brain melted after my run

[green maple]

Damn so technically theseus can flex any god lmao

[green maple]

8+2

If you count chaos and hermes 10

No? 8

[scarlet perch]

Why wouldn’t you count hermes

Oh wait

[green maple]

Not an olympian

[scarlet perch]

Yeah

Chaos is a god but not an Olympian

[wild schooner]

I think its made that way so theseus can always channel a god

[green maple]

Yeah

[scarlet perch]

Same with Hermes

[green maple]

I mean unless keepsakes happen you can only force 4

Not force have

[brisk trail]

I love hermes

Haven't tried it myself but there was someone who said theseus summoned a god they had on call

[scarlet perch]

What if

[green maple]

Wait what

[brisk trail]

jesus my english

[scarlet perch]

You had heroic dash+ so you had 6 dashes

And only dmg with dash

[green maple]

Heroic dash is from who...?

[scarlet perch]

That’s a challenge

Hermès

I’m not good with names

But one of his boons is increase dash number

[green maple]

I mean reflex series can give u up to 6 when you have eurydice

[fierce spoke]

fastman

[brave dove]

... ok... meg just dashed onto a trap and died

[green maple]

Yeah greatest reflex

[scarlet perch]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

hidden fists with heroic greatest reflex

[scarlet perch]

Not good with names :/

[brisk trail]

8 dashes

[green maple]

Alecto be worse tbh

[scarlet perch]

what

[green maple]

Alecto becomes a ball but it steps traps kekw

[scarlet perch]

Lol

[green maple]

And theres tis

Athenas best friend

[wild schooner]

How has everyone's day been today?

[brave dove]

good

[scarlet perch]

It’s 1:05 am

Soo

[green maple]

Pretty fine except i hadnt had a hades run

Hades rng is messing me up recently

[scarlet perch]

Lol

[green maple]

5 satyr? Really?

2 times in a row?

[wild schooner]

Oof. Thats rough

What heat are you playing on?

[green maple]

And theres suddenly poseidon out of nowhere when im trying a rail build lmao

I play clear-1 heat so uh

[scarlet perch]

How are you supposed to get builds?

[green maple]

Some weapons are still 4

Some are 9

[scarlet perch]

Is it entirely luck past the keepsakes

[green maple]

Yup

But some boons need requirements

[scarlet perch]

Sounds fun

[green maple]

Check in codex

[scarlet perch]

Ik

[brisk trail]

running into ||tiny vermin|| tilts me hard

[wild schooner]

Fated authority/other one

[green maple]

NO NOT TH

😔

[scarlet perch]

I hate poison effect

[wild schooner]

Same

[brave dove]

||tiny vermin is tiny and STRONK||

[scarlet perch]

It should die in a deep hole

[brisk trail]

zags reaction is the exact same as mine

[scarlet perch]

How tf does holy water save you?

[green maple]

When you get more hits by the tiny vermin than the final boss

So cringe

[brisk trail]

literally

[scarlet perch]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

I lose dds against it

[green maple]

Like its so bad

[scarlet perch]

Also finding the satyr sack on the first path

[brisk trail]

impastable

[fierce spoke]

one could not comprehend the horrors inside the walls of the RAT ROOM

[scarlet perch]

Pogger when that happened

[wild schooner]

I lose dds against theseus now

[green maple]

Oof

[brisk trail]

I nuke the boys

ez money

[scarlet perch]

I threw a run bc I took Charon on 1st floor

[wild schooner]

I cant

[scarlet perch]

1st floor

[brisk trail]

2st

[green maple]

If you have poseidon and all the wall smash comps the satyr tunnels are so damn easy

[brave dove]

.<

[wild schooner]

2st

Twost

[brave dove]

do i get quick favor or quick recovery

[green maple]

Both are bad ig lmao

[radiant estuary]

What does quick favor do anyways

[wild schooner]

I love Poseidon in styx with zag shield. So satisfying

[green maple]

I want swifts or reflexes or high rarity evasion when i meet hermes

[brave dove]

1% of god gauge every 2 seconds

[radiant estuary]

Oh

[green maple]

That 20% evasion

That depends to the aid then

[wild schooner]

What is the theoretical limit on evasion?

[green maple]

25

Cannot be pommed+heroic=25%

[wild schooner]

No, cause theres lambent plume, and gun

[green maple]

Oh

[brisk trail]

Dodge chance is basically a % damage reduction

[green maple]

Past 100 iirc

[wild schooner]

So, 100% doesnt mean you cant be hit?

[brisk trail]

why yes Hermes I will gladly take a 20% universal damage reduction

[green maple]

Idk tbh ive seen people saying past 100 is possible

[radiant estuary]

And it is

[brave dove]

have been unlucky >.< in asphodel and i have gotten 0 centaur hearts

[radiant estuary]

You just need to use the right mirror abilities (ruthless reflex) and weapon aspects (Zag fists) then luck out with boons

[green maple]

Omg

[wild schooner]

Oof. Who needs hearts anyways

[green maple]

This is so cringe omg

I like 400 hp because yes

[brisk trail]

minoraurs strength

[wild schooner]

Miniraur

[green maple]

I want to try a run to grant me highest max strength

[wild schooner]

Zag the miniraur

[green maple]

||Arthur||+life affirmation+centaur heart=yes?

[wild schooner]

+spiked collar

[brisk trail]

• fated authority

[green maple]

OOOO

[brisk trail]

to reroll things into hearts

[green maple]

Collar existed right

[wild schooner]

+chaos?

[brisk trail]

ye

[green maple]

I wonder if over 500 hp is possible

[wild schooner]

OH

[brisk trail]

up to 80 hp from a chaos boon

[green maple]

Hmmm

[wild schooner]

Aphrodite too

[green maple]

Then definitely possible

Yeah affirmation

[wild schooner]

Oh,me dumb

Ignore me

[green maple]

Eh?

[wild schooner]

You said the thing from aphrodite, and i didnt realize it

[green maple]

Npnp

[brisk trail]

im gonna try that tomorrow

I think my highest hp run was like 450

[wild schooner]

If you guys could add one more god into the game, who would it be?

[radiant estuary]

Hephaestus

[brisk trail]

one of the fire-related gods

[radiant estuary]

Followed by Apollo for the Artemis interactions and Hestia/Hera/Eris

[wild schooner]

Yes misty. I want helios

[jaunty vapor]

Jesus christ this Heart rend build

[chilly slate]

Hestia yo

I want more hag representation in video games

[jaunty vapor]

14:30 is my new fastest time

which is pyog

[wild schooner]

Noice! I cant get sub 15

[jaunty vapor]

If I got heart rend the floor before this would probably be a 13

[wild schooner]

Maybe i could if i went back down to 0 heat, but wheres the fun in that

[jaunty vapor]

I'm doing it at 2 cause I needed the rewards :p

[brave dove]

aight 1 heat thesus and asterion time to fight

[brisk trail]

tight deadline is the easiest heat, at least for my playstyle

something like damage control doesn't hurt much either

[brave dove]

oh

i did the one where they have more hp

[brisk trail]

i think i'd be too slow for TD3

which sucks

cause that's 3 heat

any run over 20 minutes is slow for me lmao

[wild schooner]

TD3 honestly isnt TOO bad

[brisk trail]

i can't do 32 on TD3

if I take 5 minutes to get out of tartarus...

[wild schooner]

Oh

[brisk trail]

i'd die of pressure

only need 1 more for 6x32

the weapon i probably know the least about, which is spear

yuck

my strategy:

[jaunty vapor]

How many runs have you done Misty?

Just kinda curious

[brisk trail]

pray for flurry jab

[wild schooner]

I used to like spear

[brisk trail]

90 something

about 60 wins

[brave dove]

yikes i died to 1 heat thesus

almost won tho

[brisk trail]

it be like that

[jaunty vapor]

I'm on run 35 as of rn

[wild schooner]

What attempt was your guys first winning run

[jaunty vapor]

8

[brisk trail]

21

[brave dove]

so i shouldve chosen tight deadline instead of more hp for enemies

[brisk trail]

samee

21

[brave dove]

46

:<

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah I was fast

[wild schooner]

8

[brisk trail]

everyone goes at their own pace dw about it

it varies a lot, i've found

[wild schooner]

Well... mine was not technically 8

Let me go to my old file

[brisk trail]

my first time getting there was 16

[jaunty vapor]

I first got to ||Styx|| run 5

[brisk trail]

we got a pro gamer here

[jaunty vapor]

I'm a bit of a roguelike fan

a rogueliker you could call me

[wild schooner]

Same

[jaunty vapor]

😎

[wild schooner]

Have you played scourgebringer?

[brave dove]

this is my first roguelike game

[jaunty vapor]

Never heard of it

I'm on run 35 with 20 wins

[brisk trail]

i was hesitating on picking up hades to be honest

since i'm not super into the genre

[wild schooner]

It kinda reminds me of the game celeste in a weird way

[brisk trail]

but i'm glad i did

[jaunty vapor]

I picked up the game about 3-4 days ago

[brave dove]

how many times can aspects be leveled

[brisk trail]

anyways, some easy heats for any weapon:
1 level of any of the top 6
damage control 1
tight deadline 1-2

5 times

up to level 5

[jaunty vapor]

5 times

[wild schooner]

My first actual win before 1.0 was 36

[brisk trail]

zag aspects take 5 blood, 2nd/4th take 15, 3rd takes 16

heat depends on weapon

[jaunty vapor]

After EM2 I'm gonna put on tight deadline 2

[wild schooner]

After 1.0, it was 8

[brisk trail]

I wouldn't take dc on something slow

[rapid forum]

my first win was 22? I think. I farmed a lot

[brisk trail]

something like damage control 2 is nothing on fists/rail but it suuuuuuucks on hidden sord

that tru

[wild schooner]

Oh, yeah.

What about hidden shield?

[brisk trail]

dunno haven't tried it

[jaunty vapor]

Also only missing 2 more hiddens

[rapid forum]

like my first win was like "I was farming but I got this good build, might as well"

[wild schooner]

Im only missing one i think

[jaunty vapor]

I just need Sword and Chaos hiddens

[brisk trail]

middle management megagorgon is hell for the first time

[wild schooner]

I need rail

[brisk trail]

oh, i hate that

i hate that very much

especially with fo

actually, i hate everything with FO

I dont even wanna think about that

[wild schooner]

I must be off for the night. Hypnos calls.

[rapid forum]

who likes megagorgon? I'd take witches any day

aight nighty night

[brisk trail]

i'm thinking of all the cursed things

teleporting speeder flamewheels

cloner laser numbskulls

HL5 FO2 speeder chariots

i see them in my dreams

[rapid forum]

teleports behind you
"Nothing personel, kid"

[brisk trail]

I literally dont know how to deal with fo2 chariots

you can't outrun them

its like I'm fighting them for the first time

but you can dash through

oh

ohhhhhh

[rapid forum]

ye

[brisk trail]

its like how you avoid reapers in subnautica

[rapid forum]

but sometimes they're so fast, they hit me first ;_;

[brisk trail]

they zooooom

you go straight at them then duck at the last moment

[rapid forum]

the other way is to either get poseidon dash

or athena dash

tho athena dash is a given

[brisk trail]

this is what made me decide I would stop trying to use fo2 https://streamable.com/r0jix2

[rapid forum]

okay so

[scenic canopy]

if i have hades on pc and i buy it on switch is there any way to save the progress?

[brisk trail]

#hades-faq

[rapid forum]

speaking of FO, once I just stood while Asterius was charging right.

[brisk trail]

not at the moment

[rapid forum]

and he just ran in a circle

around me

that was glorious

and then I got hit cause he realized it

[brisk trail]

i have a save file for fo2 em asterius

to practice

i haven't touched it yet

he makes me salty

[rapid forum]

tbh, not that bad

kind of

[brisk trail]

hate him to bits

idk how to deal with his bull rush when i'm a bit far from a pillar

hold the L

asterius @ me

[rapid forum]

damn you nitro

[brave dove]

ooo

i got a legendary chaos boon

halting defiance

[brisk trail]

free DD pog

[brave dove]

tho the other boon is

excruciating soul

take +25% dmg for 3 encounters but after that u get 53 hearts

hmmm

[brisk trail]

a DD is worth 50% of your hp

[brave dove]

halting defiance it is

[brisk trail]

and can be refilled by Patty/kiss of styx/athena

[brave dove]

patty? wait athena can refill it?

[brisk trail]

patroclus in elysium

and there are 2 athena boons that refill dd slots

[unkempt sleet]

The difference is that Chaos gives you an extra defiance, bringing your total to 4 max

[brave dove]

oh

[brisk trail]

yeah while athena only refills

[unkempt sleet]

While any other source just refills one if you've lost it

[brisk trail]

unless if you're using stubborn defiance (and lost it in that room) then she gives u an extra one lol

[wild schooner]

Technically 5 is the max

[brisk trail]

looks like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/784688428741951488/Screenshot_20201205-015119.jpg

[unkempt sleet]

I didn't know you could find more than one defiance chaos boon at a time

It is legendary after all

[brisk trail]

lol really

[wild schooner]

I dont think you can

[unkempt sleet]

Then it's 4 max

[wild schooner]

Skelly tooth

[unkempt sleet]

But that's not defiance, that's skelly power

Totally different

[brisk trail]

all of them can have a different icon

skelly, zag, athena, styx, chaos

[wild schooner]

It still counts as a defiance

[jaunty vapor]

After EM2 and Timer 9 mins what should you increase for more heat?

[wild schooner]

Now i need to see that

[jaunty vapor]

i can't do Timer 7 mins on bow for now

[wild schooner]

All 5 if the defiances

Boon purge

[unkempt sleet]

EM3 would be my choice, but otherwise I'd say more enemies

If you really want to feel pain, FO

[jaunty vapor]

If it was any weapon besides bow I'd go for 7 min timer

but I'm just not sure

[brisk trail]

MM

only changes minibosses

[jaunty vapor]

MM is probably the heat upgrade I know least about

[rapid forum]

it's like EM but for minibosses

[brave dove]

MM?

[rapid forum]

middle management

[jaunty vapor]

so now I am up to 6 heat

[brave dove]

oh

[wild schooner]

Question. Why does everyone hate hypnos? I always see him as the type that is trying to be helpful. Just not trying that hard

[brave dove]

i dont hate him

[brisk trail]

wait, who hates hypnos?

i have my shotgun ready

[wild schooner]

A lot of people ive seen mention the find hypnos annoying

Or just straight up rude

[brave dove]

their sore that hypnos points out what u died to

[wild schooner]

Honestly, i get saltier at hermes than hypnos. YOU DONT HAVE TO TELL ME I LOST MY STREAK HERMES

[unkempt sleet]

I think most of the people having a beef with Hypnos are in the game.

I mostly facepalm, unless Hypnos makes it sad.

[wild schooner]

No, ive seen it in youtube commenrs

[rose nexus]

I will fight

[unkempt sleet]

Clearly they've never had that one annoying friend who's really good to be with but they're extremely dumb sometimes

[rose nexus]

My favorite part is when ||they question Hypnos how he’s gonna do his job better and he literally says he’s gonna sleep on it||

[jaunty vapor]

Question

[wild schooner]

Like i imagine hypnos is trying to give you genuine advice. It just so happens that its common sense

[jaunty vapor]

Does Double Strike effect lightning flourish?

[unkempt sleet]

Yes

Anything that brings lightning from above is affected by double strike

[rapid forum]

double strike so gud

[patent bobcat]

hi

[wild schooner]

Hey

[unkempt sleet]

Hello

[rapid forum]

elo

[patent bobcat]

im getting tired of analizing where to invest my resources lol

have read all the weapon aspects like 5 times already and still cant chose xd

its what makes the game great, but for my indecisive mind its awfull

[brave dove]

i would say aspect of chiron is good for bow
aspect of chaos for shield and
nemesis for sword

[rapid forum]

zag for spear, demeter for fist

[brave dove]

imagine aspect of chiron fully leveled and with the hammer where its +4 to your special

[rapid forum]

eris for rail

[patent bobcat]

dont want to invest too bad untill i unlock the 4th options too

[patent bobcat]

yeah i think im going for chiron for the bow

[brave dove]

aspect of chiron is gonna rekt some faces then

[patent bobcat]

you think zagreus is the best spear? i was thinking of aspect of hades

[brisk trail]

take note that chiron has to be maxed to be great

[patent bobcat]

but its true i dont really use the spin atack at least for now

[wild schooner]

I prefer hera for bow

[rapid forum]

zag spear is safe

[patent bobcat]

i havent found myself doing a heavy cast build tbh

[rapid forum]

but personally I'd pick achilles

it does take some time to get used to

[patent bobcat]

how does it work, you go to where your spear landed?

[rapid forum]

yes

[wild schooner]

Yep

[rapid forum]

put athena on special

just ZOOM

[patent bobcat]

50% extra dmg just lvl 1 does sound good

[unkempt sleet]

I like Hades spear but I'm in the minority

[patent bobcat]

i only won once against hades so far, lucky shield run

[rapid forum]

hades spear is also good, the thing i don't like about it is it's hammer reliant

I don't make builds with hammer in mind

[patent bobcat]

if you dont get the less time charging the spin upgrade isnt it like too long to be comfortable?

[wild schooner]

Shield best weapon IMO

[brisk trail]

you misspelled bow

[unkempt sleet]

Not to me. I managed to clear with FO2 so it's possible

[patent bobcat]

whats fo2?

[wild schooner]

Tbf, bow is my second favorite

[rapid forum]

forced overtime

[patent bobcat]

oof

[brave dove]

wait so how good is aspect of demeter?

[rapid forum]

very

[brave dove]

does the special hitting more times stack

or nah

[brisk trail]

nope

[wild schooner]

Yeah

[unkempt sleet]

The absurd burst damage

[patent bobcat]

are the 4th ones that unlock later good?

[wild schooner]

Each blood you add, puts another special ontop of it

[brisk trail]

i like hidden bow

[patent bobcat]

like, worth tryharding to unlock them before investing hard in others?

[wild schooner]

They're... different

[brisk trail]

i assume they mean the charges stack

[patent bobcat]

heard the sword was awesome

[wild schooner]

I mean, you cant.

[unkempt sleet]

Some of them are really good, others are eh

[brave dove]

crap

[unkempt sleet]

Also yeah you need to invest blood in weapons to unlock hidden aspects

[brisk trail]

hidden spear is ??? to me

[brave dove]

i unlocked aspect of talos and not demeter

[unkempt sleet]

Spear 4 is difficult to use

[patent bobcat]

but not like, maxing another weapon right?

[molten nymph]

talos is fun

[wild schooner]

Talos is also pretty good imo

[unkempt sleet]

No, 5 blood per weapon minus spear

[molten nymph]

prolly my favorite fist in terms of fun

[unkempt sleet]

Exact requirements are pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[patent bobcat]

how much does the spear need?

[wild schooner]

Yeah. Demeter is favorite in terms of damage, but talos is more fun

[patent bobcat]

oh so i need to unlock 5 other aspects no matter the weapon to unlock the spear?

[unkempt sleet]

Ye

[patent bobcat]

okey..

[jaunty vapor]

ayyyy unlocked the ability to give more hearts to Than

[patent bobcat]

im putting all my hearths into dusa first

[unkempt sleet]

Not a bad choice

[patent bobcat]

is really aspect of demeter good? it felt pretty bad tbh

like from reading it

[unkempt sleet]

With Demeter and Aphrodite, yes

[patent bobcat]

tbh the other ones dont sound better but

to atack faster right?

[jaunty vapor]

Aspect of Demeter is really nice

[brave dove]

wuts a good build for talos

[unkempt sleet]

No you put those on the special to get that sweet damage boost

[patent bobcat]

for now im always using dusa keepsake, havent used one of the boon guarantees

[jaunty vapor]

oh

[patent bobcat]

and switch to skelly later

[brave dove]

ah crap i didnt notice the divine dash in the boons and picked one to increase my attack >.<

[jaunty vapor]

Aspect of Demeter is pretty crazy

[brave dove]

lol i get what yall mean when you said talos was fun

just drag em all the way to you

[unkempt sleet]

Divin3 strike on fists is actually really good

[patent bobcat]

hows sagreus for sword?

[jaunty vapor]

It is pretty nice

Not zag sword

div strike

Zag sword is 100% over shadowed by

our lord and Savior

NEMESIS

[molten nymph]

i cant even remember what zag’s passive is

[unkempt sleet]

Move speed I think

[molten nymph]

lmao

[jaunty vapor]

Attack speed and move speed

If you wanna level an Aspect Dandan go for Nemesis

it's busted

[brave dove]

1-10 how busted

[jaunty vapor]

It's up there

Easily the best sword aspect

[unkempt sleet]

Sword 4 tho

[jaunty vapor]

Hah

Hidden is cool but not really good

[patent bobcat]

im gonna try to unlock the hidden one

[unkempt sleet]

I will stay by my king's side until I die

[patent bobcat]

before investing too heavy in other one

[jaunty vapor]

Dandan

what would you describe your playstyle as?

[patent bobcat]

still, i tend to do the run with the one with bonus 20%, so i switch a lot

hmmm

[brave dove]

hmm draining cutter or breaching cross

im using talos

[jaunty vapor]

Breaching cross like 99%

[patent bobcat]

so i usually dont like stuff like, 10% chance to dodge for example, cause i feel like i have to try to not take damage at all

[jaunty vapor]

iirc

[patent bobcat]

not that i manage to do tthat

[jaunty vapor]

Then Nemesis

[patent bobcat]

i kinda suck

[jaunty vapor]

Hidden is the slow one

[patent bobcat]

i hated the rail lol

[jaunty vapor]

You can't really force unlocking Hidden's

best option just invest in the good one now

[patent bobcat]

i hope with one of the aspects it becomes better because...

[jaunty vapor]

Nemesis sword is really good

If you get used to it

[unkempt sleet]

It's not that hard, just spam special and dash attack

[patent bobcat]

yeah seems pretty enough the nemesis playstyle

[jaunty vapor]

It really isn't that hard

just saying takes a few seconds to get used to

[brave dove]

how many times do i have to give bouldy nectar btw

to get the companion

[jaunty vapor]

You need to give Sisyphus ambrosia

||bouldy|| is a per run thing

[patent bobcat]

hangover is much better in the atack than in the special for sword right?

[jaunty vapor]

Hangover isn't great period but yes

as a whole effects are better for quick attacks

pure damage for slow attacks

[brave dove]

oh so how many times do i give sisyphus nectar until i can give ambrosia

[jaunty vapor]

with some exceptions

[patent bobcat]

its between those and the dio cast so...

i dont really like his cast

i like dio special in the bow tbh

[jaunty vapor]

then go for attack (even though dio cast is actually pretty good)

I mean what weapon?

[molten nymph]

i’ll still get cast to free up the attack slot

[jaunty vapor]

Dio cast is pretty nice

[molten nymph]

i dont like non lodging cast in non cast runs

[brisk trail]

so can hades win the game of the year

[brave dove]

||>.< omg do i have to fight all 3 furies||

[jaunty vapor]

Did you turn on EM?

[brave dove]

yup

[jaunty vapor]

also if you kindly could start spoilering messages that pertain to stuff that takes a bit to access

that'd be appreciated

Just noting

Thank you

[patent bobcat]

i hope cyberpunk does, because i need it to be a good game xd

[jaunty vapor]

If a game that will be out for about half a month wins game of the year I swear to god

[patent bobcat]

i started using heat and i started with the 1 extra hit

i feel like with fast atacking it probably is the easiest

[jaunty vapor]

Depends on weapon

but it's definitely not the easiest

[patent bobcat]

with how fast the sword is for example, just hitting 1 more time i dont think its much of a problem

[molten nymph]

yeah
that’s a free heat on fists and rails especially

[jaunty vapor]

it really depends on weapon

[patent bobcat]

i considered doing extra trap dmg, because i shouldnt be taking trap dmg

[molten nymph]

no

[patent bobcat]

but who am i kiding, i take a lot of trap dmg

[molten nymph]

dont take it

its the biggest heat trap

[jaunty vapor]

Trap damage is a huge trap

literally

to me the freest heat is the 9 min timer

and rn to some degree the 7

[patent bobcat]

you think poseidon special is good?

with sword i mean

i feel like it often makes the enemies get too far away

[molten nymph]

not really

[jaunty vapor]

Not really

Poseidon isn't great unless you don't have anything

[patent bobcat]

im trying to make like a tierlist in my mind hahaha

[molten nymph]

S+:athena

[patent bobcat]

for sword or in general?

[jaunty vapor]

In general

[molten nymph]

in general

[patent bobcat]

its the deflect right?

[jaunty vapor]

Athena is great

[molten nymph]

yeah

[jaunty vapor]

all her stuff is great, maybe besides special

[patent bobcat]

i dont know if i like it that much

[molten nymph]

divine dash is just
the best boon in the game

[jaunty vapor]

^^^

Easily

[molten nymph]

no contest

[patent bobcat]

which one was it?

[jaunty vapor]

very few boons could be called a hard carry

Divine dash is one of em\

[molten nymph]

athena’s dash

[patent bobcat]

deflecting with dash?

[brave dove]

LOL poseidon special with talos magenetic pull is just

[molten nymph]

yep

[brave dove]

pull push pull push pull push

and they cant do anything

[patent bobcat]

lol

[jaunty vapor]

Yep Dandan

it's

REALLY GOOD

[patent bobcat]

never felt it was that good

[jaunty vapor]

There hasn't been a single run I've rather had any other dash

[patent bobcat]

does deflect do that much dmg?

[jaunty vapor]

besides for prophecy

damage is not the issue

it is consistency

it allows you to tank huge hits

by just

dashing into them at the right time

[patent bobcat]

but with dash you still avoid the hits right?

[jaunty vapor]

Yes

But it makes the enemies take the damage

example the witches that shoot the huge balls

you just 1 hit em

and kill another likely

[patent bobcat]

they dont take the same dmg you would take right?

like

you dont do 20 dmg to them with deflect right?

[molten nymph]

divine dash extends the invul period by quite a bit

[jaunty vapor]

Also that

[molten nymph]

and sends projectiles back

[jaunty vapor]

and can make again deflecting huge attacks

a joke

[patent bobcat]

huh

will have to give it another try

[unkempt sleet]

deflected projectiles usually deal a lot more damage to enemies than they would to you

[patent bobcat]

the strongest boon ive seen so far is the, when no revives you keep healing, it was a duo but dont remember whos

[jaunty vapor]

that one is situational at best

top 3

[brave dove]

so its sort of like zag has a built in resistence to only take like 20 dmg from those

[jaunty vapor]

to me

[unkempt sleet]

I take for example elysium traps that deal 30 damage to you ad 600 to enemies

[patent bobcat]

after that only had another duo and was shiyy, thought all of them would be decent

[brave dove]

but the enemies would take normal dmg

[unkempt sleet]

Subborn roots, Athena/Demeter

[molten nymph]

stubborn root is great with stubborn defiance and no timer

[unkempt sleet]

Duos range from ok to the best thing you could get in a run

[jaunty vapor]

Divine Dash, Heart Rend, Lightning Strike (depends on weapon)

[patent bobcat]

you all go chaos every time it appears right?

[jaunty vapor]

the top 3 probably best boons

[molten nymph]

no

[jaunty vapor]

Not always

[unkempt sleet]

uhm, exclusive access

[molten nymph]

i check the room number first

[jaunty vapor]

Never seen that one Thunder

[unkempt sleet]

That's the best boon in the game to me

[patent bobcat]

room number?

[molten nymph]

yes

[unkempt sleet]

all boons after you pick exclusive access are epic or better

[patent bobcat]

wdym ?

[molten nymph]

if you press the select button you can see room number on top right

[brave dove]

exclusive access is which boon?

like dionysus?

[unkempt sleet]

Dio/poseidon duo

[brave dove]

oh

[jaunty vapor]

Dionysus Poseidon Duo

[brave dove]

thatll be super rare

[patent bobcat]

but in which cases do you not go?

[molten nymph]

last normal encounters are room 12, 22, 34
i dont want to get chaos curse on bosses

[unkempt sleet]

You can still get it by chamber 12 and even if you get it at chamber 20 it's still good

[molten nymph]

also not touching chaos in elysium

[jaunty vapor]

I got screwed over by a chaos curse in elysium boss

[patent bobcat]

usually curses are like 4 encounters max right?

[molten nymph]

yeah

plus some builds dont really benefit from chaos
i rarely take chaos when i go zeus for example

or cases when i need to choose between chaos or first athena boon

[jaunty vapor]

Some builds love chaos

some builds are eh

[molten nymph]

cast builds

[jaunty vapor]

I'd usually go first athena boon

But depends

[molten nymph]

always take chaos

[unkempt sleet]

I usually take Chaos whenever there's a blue laurel reward I don't need

[molten nymph]

but man the amount of times i am not allowed to attack as ||beo||

[unkempt sleet]

or if my choice is a pom and a shop and and I'm like eh

You don't need attack on shield 4 tbh

[molten nymph]

but the clear becomes so slow

[unkempt sleet]

If you have a good special boon Shield 4 just destroys most things

[patent bobcat]

i rushed for keys so bad and now i dont need anymore lol sad

[jaunty vapor]

I didn't use 30 keys on the mirror till after I got the ||true ending|| lmao

[unkempt sleet]

You madlad

[molten nymph]

i have way more keys than i know what to do with them

[brave dove]

colossus knuckle or quake cutter or long knuckle?

[unkempt sleet]

Trade them

[patent bobcat]

just realised i cancel the special if i atack too fast with the sword huh

[unkempt sleet]

long knuckle

[jaunty vapor]

What aspect but yeah generally long knuckle

[brave dove]

talos

[jaunty vapor]

Long knuckle

[brave dove]

aight

[jaunty vapor]

Every weapon has the amazing hammers

the good ones

and the ehhhhh another times

[brave dove]

wuts the amazing hammers for sword and bow?

[patent bobcat]

i wish i got to fish more often, i need more practice

[molten nymph]

sword is

double dash attack and shadow slash

[jaunty vapor]

it almost always depends on Aspect but there are some universals

Double edge and shadow slash

for sword

[brave dove]

nemesis and chiron

[jaunty vapor]

Nemesis get double edge

11 times out of 10

Chiron relentless and concentrated volley iirc

or piercing volley

but that's like a step down

[molten nymph]

bow is...
double shot, triple shot, point blank shot, exploding shot (rama), both special hammer for chiron

[brave dove]

aight

[molten nymph]

for hera its the rapid shot

for zag its the power shot

[jaunty vapor]

Double shot is the best non Chiron bow hammer

[patent bobcat]

damn i just payed 25 coins for 86 darkness

[molten nymph]

bow doesn't really have a bad hammer tbh

maybe repulse shot but even then its still kinda good

[patent bobcat]

damn i take too much dmg against alecto

how do i cover with spoiler ?

[carmine ravine]

alecto isnt a spoiler

[patent bobcat]

it isnt?

[carmine ravine]

only final and secret boss is

[patent bobcat]

how do i do anyway, just to know for other situations

[brave dove]

YEET ||finally beat asterion and thesus on heat 1||

[carmine ravine]

||on both sides

[brave dove]

secret boss?

[carmine ravine]

yes

[jaunty vapor]

Damn just lost to ||hades|| for the first time in a while

Bow just

doesn't work for me

Was so close there

just made so many stupid mistakes

[patent bobcat]

you think yarn of ariadne is worth it?

[jaunty vapor]

Most well items aren't

[carmine ravine]

yarns is very worth it

[patent bobcat]

i see there are divided opinions haha

[molten nymph]

yarn is worth it

[jaunty vapor]

yarn can be one of the worth it ones

can

Time to go do anything but bow

for once

[molten nymph]

do melee ||rama||

[jaunty vapor]

Have it, still really hate bow

I really just dislike bow

[brisk trail]

understandable

were you on chiron?

[jaunty vapor]

Like I'm decent at it but it's the weapon I'm easily worst at

Yep

I just keep forgetting how to bow

[brisk trail]

max level?

[jaunty vapor]

Yeppo

I've won with it before

just got super sloppy because I assume bow is better than it is

[brisk trail]

watching tail inspires me to do rama

[jaunty vapor]

I don't watch any youtubers about the game at this point

Same for most games these days

games I don't play 100%

games I do

ehhhhh

[brisk trail]

he's not really a youtuber

based high heat gamer

he did 57 rama just today

[patent bobcat]

is double edge the best sword hammer?

[jaunty vapor]

I'd say so

[molten nymph]

yes

[patent bobcat]

double nova seems better hmm

[jaunty vapor]

Ah time to go play ol reliable

it really isn't

Double nova is

fine

[molten nymph]

double nova leave you stationary for too long

[jaunty vapor]

Plus also with any weapon nova shouldn't be the main attack

it can be your secondary best hammer

but it should never be the focus hammer

[patent bobcat]

is there any difference in wich boon you chose when there are 2? other than which god you feel is easier to avoid?

[molten nymph]

wdym

oh

[jaunty vapor]

in trial of the gods

[molten nymph]

i'm not sure honestly

[patent bobcat]

yeah that

[jaunty vapor]

not really far as I know

some gods are A LOT MORE DIFFICULT

Looking at you poseidon and aphrodite

[patent bobcat]

poseidon really?

i feel like it isnt that hard to avoid

if it hits you it hits you real hard do

tho*

[jaunty vapor]

It can trip you up pretty hard

at least me

[molten nymph]

there were cases where the first god gave me all common

[rapid forum]

the thing about poseidon is you can dodge it

but the moment you don't

bye bye health

[jaunty vapor]

^^^

Aphrodite is Poseidon but

like

worse

[molten nymph]

poseidon has that wave thing right

[jaunty vapor]

Poseidon is wave thing

[molten nymph]

i
am bad at seeing it

[jaunty vapor]

Aphrodite is kiss heart

same

[molten nymph]

aphrodite's is at least pink

[patent bobcat]

i dont like dionysius..

[rapid forum]

you can just not move

tbh

[patent bobcat]

with some enemies it can get hard to hit them with all that wine

[rapid forum]

dio's spots on the ground spawn near you

not at you

[patent bobcat]

but you have to move to get to enemies if you arent doing a ranged run

[brisk trail]

i never anger poseidon and aphro

[jaunty vapor]

If you are moving

you just move faster

just spam dash

[brisk trail]

it can be hard to see when there's a bajillion things on screen

[patent bobcat]

ooo got after party, really like that one

[jaunty vapor]

it works like 99% of the time

And again

Double edge is still the best

[patent bobcat]

is zeus dio duo good?

[jaunty vapor]

Which one is that?

[molten nymph]

if you play cast, yes

thunder fog

[patent bobcat]

that

[brisk trail]

zap juice

[jaunty vapor]

if you have trippy shot it's decent

[brisk trail]

i don't think it appears if you don't have trippy shot

[jaunty vapor]

It actually can

if you for some reason pick up High Tolerance and not trippy shot

[molten nymph]

...don't you need trippy shot for high tolerance

[patent bobcat]

almost did chaos instead of visiting sweet ol eurydice

[patent bobcat]

i think so

[brave dove]

YYEEEET ||heat 1 and i got Hades first health bar down yeet, i have 0 dd and 35 hp left tho :<||

[jaunty vapor]

You do I'm actually wrong however

The dash also works

so if you get the dash it can also get the duo

[patent bobcat]

does ambrosia delight level up to heroic?

[molten nymph]

but its just a dead boon right?

[jaunty vapor]

Yeah pretty much

[molten nymph]

ambrosia delight can get your stuff to heroic yeah

[jaunty vapor]

and it can

[brave dove]

||ah i died but i got his second health bar to half||

[patent bobcat]

most people dont like doom right?

[jaunty vapor]

Who are these most people

Doom is an effect

put it on fast attacks

Doom is personally my favorite effect

[patent bobcat]

fast atacks? but if you dont have other boons that afect it it doesnt do much with fast atacks right?

[jaunty vapor]

Effects do damage regardless of the attacks damage

thus the more times you can apply the effect the better

and the opposite

you don't want doom on a slow attack cause it will never be applied

[molten nymph]

i like doom

[jaunty vapor]

Doom is cool

Doom is also useful for area attacks when needed

but not always

[patent bobcat]

but like, you cant reapply doom untill it takes efect

and without the boon that takes care of that, in fast atacks it aint that great right?

[brave dove]

how dangerous is the perks thing btw for the benefits package

[jaunty vapor]

Still being able to reapply it really quickly is just good

[molten nymph]

i like doom on stuff like sword special, shield special, attack on chiron etc

[jaunty vapor]

^^^

[molten nymph]

things you don't always do but is in your rotation

[brisk trail]

what heat level?

[jaunty vapor]

Sword special is great for it

as a damage booster

[brisk trail]

if low heat it wouldn't be the first i would take

[brave dove]

it makes the heat level go to 2

[brisk trail]

take tight deadline, it's free

[brave dove]

aight

[brisk trail]

if you can finish within the time limit usually

[jaunty vapor]

How fast is your average run Toothless?

[brave dove]

22 mins when i cleared the first time other than that maybe 20 or so

[patent bobcat]

only 22 that seems pretty fast

[brave dove]

tho i did TD once and i managed to get to thesus and asterion before dying

[molten nymph]

22 min is TD2

[brave dove]

huh

i should try TD then

[jaunty vapor]

36 mins for TD1

28 mins for TD2

20 mins for TD3

[brisk trail]

20 mins

[molten nymph]

TD3 is 20 mins

[jaunty vapor]

And as a whole you should go a little under the time req on average

so like don't run TD2 if you finish runs at like 27:30 all the time

just in case

or do

[patent bobcat]

is flurry slash bad?

[jaunty vapor]

you do you

[brisk trail]

Just make a habit of pausing

When not in combat

[brave dove]

speed runners be like TD3 ALL THE WAY

[molten nymph]

i like flurry slash

it makes the input for dash attack significantly easier

[patent bobcat]

i feel like shadow slash is better than super nova, but should take supernova for the fated choice

[brave dove]

huh double edged on the one where u have to hit 1 extra time is basically normal das strike

dash

[jaunty vapor]

Jesus Kinetic Launcher with Demeter is crazy

[brave dove]

kinetic launcher?

faster attack speed?

[jaunty vapor]

Fist hammer that makes it a projectile