Is that so ? Well, thanks, I'll see to that.
#h1-discussion
opal pollen
pliant sparrow
what weapon do u like best?
urban mist
hmm i pretty much like all weapons exept the gun but maybe bow or shield or fists are best for me so far
sage depot
pliant sparrow
honestly idk which aspect chiron and chaos shield are bad early tho w/o upgrades
i dont play fists
modern cloak
chiron is the best aspect in the game in my opinion but idk what other people think
urban mist
okay need to try stuff out then
pliant sparrow
chiron is the best aspect in the game in my opinion but idk what other people th...
but if u only have 2 upgrades in it its kinda a nerf
it needs to be fully upgraded to be decent
modern cloak
yeah it does start off kinda bad
pliant sparrow
out of bow tho i think hidden aspect is best since u got that wave clear and boss dps
modern cloak
i suck with rama but thats because im too used to chiron i think lol
pliant sparrow
same im just tryna get used to the super long attack animation rn
limpid crown
I hope the Switch will sync up to the patch updates once the cross save system will come out....
modern cloak
the only things that have really clicked with me are chiron and stygius hidden aspect
pliant sparrow
eris is super easy to play and pretty op
brisk trail
yea
frigid scarab
hey how do i get nyx to tell me about upgrading the portal to chaos so i can get this night and darkness prophecy done
i am currently just dying over and over to get this dialogue cause its literally the last thing i need to do achievement wise other than the finale
pliant sparrow
rng
burnt breach
hey how do i get nyx to tell me about upgrading the portal to chaos so i can get...
did you start that reunion quest?
frigid scarab
if you mean the epilogue then im leaving that to the end
north drum
I just kept completing runs until she told me about it
it might involve visits to chaos
frigid scarab
nyx has told me chaos has tried to contact her but she's yet to tell me about the portal
frigid scarab
ive tried but shes not said anything yet
north drum
rng ^^
frigid scarab
ugh
burnt breach
nyx has told me chaos has tried to contact her but she's yet to tell me about th...
ok that means you just started the quest
the requirements are a little complex I'll ping you in #h1-story-discussion
loud valve
I've beaten hades 10 times now but never charon
Is charon the strongest boss in the game?
molten nymph
nah its ||em4 hades||
scarlet perch
what
molten nymph
problem with ||charon|| is you want to fight him as early as possible
so there’s high probability that your build isnt formed yet
molten nymph
of course if you run artemis builds its not that big of a deal
scarlet perch
im so early in the game that i only have pact bounties up to 2 heat
and im on run 31
scarlet perch
problem with ||charon|| is you want to fight him as early as possible
so there’s...
is there something related to charon and your build?
molten nymph
the earlier you fight him -> more discounts you get but you’re probably still stuck with 2 boons and several poms
molten nymph
yep
scarlet perch
also, is starting with a ||demeter|| boon good?
molten nymph
also he is significantly easier on ranged weapon
scarlet perch
for a person who doesnt care too much about duos and legendaries
i beat him with stygian blade
his attacks are easily readable
for a first time at least
scarlet perch
and chill is a good deffect
scarlet perch
probably the most useful
especially with an attack chill, and the 10 burst one
and maybe special with the shield
lone pollen
crystal zinc
Sorry to interrupt but does anyone know the rarity of the limit time broker options? I need the 15 keys for one titan blood option
scarlet perch
idc, if i beat hades ill take it
i think its an even split between all of them or a rotation, but you can look at the wiki
exotic furnace
deleted my message because the existence of that boss is a spoiler too :P
opal pollen
Just had a no fish run. I want a refund 
exotic furnace
you need to give poseidon more nectar
hell tell the fishies to go to the underworld
opal pollen
What if I pour nectar straight into the Styx ?
exotic furnace
that could work too
molten nymph
you also need to pet cerb so he wont scare the fishes
exotic furnace
try everything
opal pollen
Anyone not petting Cerberus after every run is a monster.
exotic furnace
also anyone not saying hi to that one shade in the colosseum
molten nymph
and people ignoring dusa
opal pollen
Absolutely.
molten nymph
there’s another floor under tartarus for those people
exotic furnace
i usually only pet him when i talk to hades or happen to notice him
my friend just played hades for the first time today, he just kept skipping all dialogue
and talking to nobody
terrible
or should i say ex-friend (no jk)
somber quest
wow i just did ||em4 hades|| for the first time and i am so jealous
somber quest
||cerbie summon. i want it||
lone flame
@exotic furnace my SO played the same way and I got so upset
exotic furnace
dump them immediately
lone flame
I was v tempted but he bought the game for me bc he knew I wanted it so it cancels out
exotic furnace
i just feel bad for him because i get so much joy out of the little dialogues
lone flame
Same! It’s my favorite part.
exotic furnace
for me its the combat
plush citrus
saying hello to my biggest fan in the coliseum is my fav 
jaunty vapor
Do y'all run with fated authority or persuasion
scarlet perch
which one is that?
jaunty vapor
boon reroll
scarlet perch
is that the epic
ohh
havnt gotten that yet
unlocked it, but not enoiugh darkness
jaunty vapor
gonna try the rail for like the first time ever
also I've given up for the first time since I kept on the acorn
AGAIN
scarlet perch
rail is pretty good
jaunty vapor
definitely not my thing so far
real fossil
first time switching on to rail can be a bit of adjustment cuz it doesnt flinch on attack
just gotta get used to being far and dashing away when enemies get near
jaunty vapor
it's not flinch it's just the standing still part that feels weird
opal pollen
I tend to remap the attack button to a trigger so I can dodge more easily with the rail.
Also, dodging while holding attack reloads if the mag is empty.
half frost
can u have cerebus help you in battle like a summon or whatever
I swear I saw that or I’m just tripping
molten nymph
||Dad's the one who summoned him against you||
winter harbor
No, you can’t
jaunty vapor
yes
half frost
yez
red tiger
either be patient and wait for dialogue, or eventually you'll get to the achievement
or look up a guide
jaunty vapor
Damn triple bomb is fun
I'm just waiting for either the meg or than dialog to let me give them more
red tiger
is saying her name a spoiler here? you learn about her very early game so I don't think so, but not sure
red tiger
yeah its after like, what 3 runs?
anyway, ||persephone keeps on talking with hades not letting me give her nectar goddamn it||
its been like that for so long
half frost
ah thanks for the steam guide
this clears up a lot
would've never gave any nectar to dusa if i didn't see this tbh
quasi grove
red tiger
you wouldn't!??! how dare
I started giving nectar to dusa because before that for a long time she just. didn't say anything
I went through like 20 runs with dusa saying nothing but the standard ordinary thing inbetween
crystal zinc
Anyone have any tips on how to use the sword, I have been using the shield a lot but want to use the sword as my secondary
opal pollen
Stay mobile, use the special to clear some space or AOE a bunch of enemies at once. Dash attack spamming works well. Adapt to your hammers.
crystal zinc
I am very good at clearing chambers, but I am struggline with bosses mainly
Like I can't get past ||hydra or alecto|| without wasting a defiance
opal pollen
Also you can press dash right as you use special so that it hits after the dash.
opal pollen
that's cancel I think.
crystal zinc
ok, interesting
opal pollen
Like, you can press attack and immediately dash to cancel it but with the sword's special you can do this trick which I find useful since the special initial animation makes you static and vulnerable, also a hit at that moment will cancel your special so it's best avoiding that.
crystal zinc
Yeah, if I am trying to do a deep run I force athena dash boon so I should be good that way
brisk trail
LoL I was just killed by a mountain goat
winter harbor
Mountain goats are fierce
Hilarious, considering what you've done up to that point
ember rune
hey guys, just want to ask about god gauge, what and where is it?
because some of the boons use it
ember rune
what should I do to get it?
molten nymph
hit/get hit
winter harbor
You just get a god call, any god call
ember rune
so god call will increase it?
winter harbor
There are some boons that make charging it faster
molten nymph
god call makes the gauge appear
brisk trail
it be like that
green maple
ive always been giving 1
brisk trail
yeah it's diff for her
green maple
and suddenly theres this only-kind-gorgon asking me for 2
winter harbor
It's different for her
molten nymph
because dusa is precious and she deserves all the ambrosia in the world
brisk trail
tbf she isn't asking for it
winter harbor
Try looking up all the different types of love, as the Greeks classified it
molten nymph
||yes, i didn't take my ambrosia back and dammit i didn't regret it||
brisk trail
also ||you get it all back at the end||
winter harbor
That's related to her need for so much ambrosia
brisk trail
||yes, i didn't take my ambrosia back and dammit i didn't regret it||
simp
rapid forum
I didn't take back ||ambrosia|| also
molten nymph
how did you know i watch vtubers
brisk trail
a
green maple
omg dusa is sooooo cute
rapid forum
ikr
brisk trail
Meg is cuter
alpine yarrow
meg best girl
alpine yarrow
romance chaos option when
rose nexus
zagreus doesnt know how to look 2 ways before crossing the street smh
plush citrus
not knowing if you want a sad boy or a girl who can kill you is permanent bisexual mood
winter harbor
Tbf, there aren't exactly streets in the underworld
He doesn't even know what birds are
rose nexus
its a way he dies aha
novel verge
Romance Bouldy Option When
brisk trail
novel verge
i wanna boink the boulder
plush citrus
that's a nice boulder
winter harbor
I want a good shade romance option
novel verge
yes
brisk trail
house contractor
ember rune
to buy decorations?
pliant sparrow
and some story progression
brisk trail
do the first tab first
if you haven't already
to buy upgrades that will be beneficial in runs
pliant sparrow
also buying the song "in the blood" is extremely important once you get that option
ember rune
what tab? I don't see anything I can buy using diamond from house contractors
pliant sparrow
theres like 7 tabs in house contracting
ember rune
yep
pliant sparrow
in work orders
brisk trail
oh, you must've bought all of them then?
ember rune
I haven't
brisk trail
i'm not sure what to do to get them to show up
pliant sparrow
cuz some require ||u to unlock heat|| @brisk trail
brisk trail
ahh that might be it
still, on default there should still be the rod of fishing
and one other thing i forgot
winter harbor
Free Orpheus from solitary
wise sparrow
just gave than some orange juice i hope he kisses me....
next prawn
idk if this is a thing in the story yet but what are some lore reasons for why zag cant just like. grab every keepsake in the cabinet and stuff all of them in his pockets
scarlet perch
Why do you think he isn’t able to do that?
winter harbor
Balance reasons
next prawn
because rn i can only bring one keepsake with me
winter harbor
It's like trinkets in Isaac
winter harbor
I don't even think there really has to be a story reason to justify it
scarlet perch
Why doesn’t he take all the keepsakes
winter harbor
Maybe he can't hold all of them and fight at the same time
scarlet perch
Why can’t he hold lucky tooth and something else?
next prawn
some of them he can wear, like ths bracer or the collar or the earring
winter harbor
and especially god keepsakes, it would anger the gods if he implied he showed favor for one over another
next prawn
maybe they repel eachother like magnets
scarlet perch
what
next prawn
and he needs a special cabinet to keep them in so it wouldnt explode
scarlet perch
Also how would you hold to god keepsakes? They would conflict eachother
Oh
Someone said that
cold surge
Tight Deadline killed me for the first time. I'm slow with shield it turns out.
alpine yarrow
oops im sorry
alpine yarrow
not knowing if you want a sad boy or a girl who can kill you is permanent bisexu...
this explains why i gave all my ambrosia to meg first
runic agate
So what doesnt zag be like
takes all the wearable keepsakes SHUT UP THIS IS MY *** KICKING OUTFIT
And just murks everyone
i mean
Like
zag woukd just kinda murk everyone
What is the plot reason for this
honestly
Ping me when someone answers
rapid forum
knowing the olympians would attack you cause you chose other instead of them in trial of the god chamber
runic agate
Most of the god keepsakes are irealivant and unwearable
there for doesnt apply in my senario
@rapid forum
nocturne copper
maybe he’s limiting himself for the olympians’ entertainment
runic agate
But on zag's first few runs why not just kick ***
I mean
he could just get mad
and then be like
DIE SCUM
nocturne copper
just like how he would intentionally make a god mad and then entertain them enough in the trials to win their favor, he probably wouldnt get very good boons if the gods werent enjoying this
runic agate
Maybe it has tp do with the statement "keepsakes hold power" and they way they level upwhen you use them alot maybe if he uses too many 1. It causes issues or 2. They become weakened
runic agate
just like how he would intentionally make a god mad and then entertain them enou...
Im sure the gods would love to see him steam role everyone tho
rapid forum
well
novel verge
Ares, maybe.
runic agate
Ares would give you a heroic just for that no matter what
novel verge
Ares just wants a bloodbath let's be real
rapid forum
I've read enough greek myth to come to a conclusion where gods (except for hades, surprisingly) are bunch of duckheads
runic agate
True
gods are basically just a bunch of teens who do what they feel like and a few of then are way too horny (such as zues since he just mates the nearest female since he just feels like it)
So ngl id imagine that they would love if zag caused a Blood bath fpr their enjoyment especially ares
Even at that
with all the keepsakes he might not even need boons
because of stuff like the shackles
nocturne copper
theoretically, yeah
runic agate
Stack centor hearts and then just buy stuff from charon and he could just get out on his own
nocturne copper
that works in the sense that “it is possible to win like that in game” but i dont think zag as a character would want to do that
runic agate
no questions asked
True but the thing is im sure that in the early phases of the gane he would want to ||see his mom as often as possible and stick it to his dad||
So imo zag might do it
considering he uses the gods anyways
nocturne copper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
runic agate
May as well use his (mostly) own power
Grab eris and go have your self a slaughter fest
Its the same as a normal run but woth extra power fron the start
i just want a lore reason and ill be happy
Maybe like more keepsakes=weaker keepsakes
Anyways
ima head oit
cyall
uneven scaffold
cya
ember rune
Which weapon do you like the most?
brisk trail
sord
I hate the lungey armoured zombies during the hydra fight. I hate them.
same
hate when I miss one of the eggs
elfin anchor
Tried the Arrow for the first time, I think it's my least favorite weapon and having to hold to fire is annoying for a main attack.
flat mortar
tall hawk
pretty sure they did nothing
brisk trail
Everything was hitting me
vast cypress
Tried ||EM3|| was not prepared for that Asterius lol
Died at the final boss, one or two more hits wouldve done it
agile cargo
whens ||persephone|| gonna be back i wonder
after going away with ||demeter|| post epilogue
agile cargo
poggers!
also artemis greater call really just deleted theseus’ entire second phase for me 
that was some crazy crit
feral urchin
like tf2, random crits are op
cedar imp
molten nymph
no
slim grail
during gods trial, dont ever go against poseidon...
agile cargo
same i hate his attack so much
real edge
i hate dio's and ||ice lady's|| the most
real edge
Congrats :)
real edge
||theyre joking||
exotic furnace
brisk trail
Hello everyone! Just joined here aha
exotic furnace
hi
real edge
Welcome on in
brisk trail
Hiya!
unique fern
hi
lilac coyote
Should I use Chthonic Vitality or Dark Regeneration?
jaunty vapor
What keepsake would be best for Zeus shield
molten nymph
i personally prefer cthonic vitality, but this is debatable
rapid forum
cthonic is good at the final biome
dark regen is mostly used by speedrunners
more chance to heal
rapid forum
What keepsake would be best for Zeus shield
god keepsakes or others?
jaunty vapor
On special or attack?
rapid forum
special
agile cargo
poggreus
narrow cloak
poggrewhat
exotic furnace
cthonic vitality is garbage lol
exotic furnace
I can never remember which boons to start with
when it doubt just pick aphro because shes hot 
molten nymph
how is vitality garbage?
i personally avoid darkness room most of the time because keys and nectar gives way better bonus
and the post boss room usually tops you off to near full anyway, and the well more often than not will provide healing on top of that if you still need it
plus
the final area
and runs where you haven't beaten the bosses
austere geyser
And does using a boon guarantee one of them to be artemis for example
sorry Charm*
molten nymph
yep, charm guarantees the next god you see will be the one you equipped
(but sometimes the first room isn't a god)
austere geyser
and that limits the run to artemis and 3 other gods right?
molten nymph
yep
but
after you met three others
you can force a 5th god by equipping another charm
but not 6th afaik
also fun fact that you can just... not pick the god you equipped, and the next time you're offered a god it'll be the god you equipped
so let's say your first room is hammer, your second room is pom, and then you're offered athena and artemis
you can pick athena without worrying that you'll lose artemis
molten nymph
wdym
austere geyser
As in if you see the god on a room label then it is one of the 4
LIke if you were to intentionally not pick that god up it wouldnt matter
because you saw it
essentially
molten nymph
the god only fills one of the four slots if you pick them
so you can avoid a god
i think
i had runs where dio and poseidon haunts me all the way to 3rd stage
jaunty vapor
Jesus Thunder Flourish + Blitz Disk absolutely annihilated ||Hades||
molten nymph
i always find it funny that zeus works very well with... zeus
and you go zeus zeus zeus
it feels very... fitting
jaunty vapor
Literally first thing I got was an Epic Thunder Flourish
it only went downhill from there
jaunty vapor
I may have actually gotten double strike
just didn't know it would work and voided it since I needed the money
exotic furnace
@molten nymph darkness from bosses and infernal troves can provide a big heal
exotic furnace
while 3hp at the end of the round is pretty much useless
ive gotten a few legendaries
molten nymph
you get none of those for styx though
and you get a lot of rooms in styx
exotic furnace
thats true
but okay 15 heal for chamber?
i mean per group of chambers
thats almost nothing
molten nymph
yeah, those adds up
jaunty vapor
Zeus shield is super fun
molten nymph
and iirc you get like
exotic furnace
so lets say you need 3 tries until a sack, thats 45 heal if you manage to not take any damage
exotic furnace
i dont know how much you get
brisk trail
I feel like dark regen gives you more chances to heal
molten nymph
and pushing heat for the first few runs is not that hard so a lot of the time it won't be useful
brisk trail
Although I'd switch to chtonic if I haven't claimed bounties for levels
exotic furnace
40, 60 and 120
molten nymph
oh wow
exotic furnace
from the 3 bosses
exotic furnace
and infernal troves can go up to 150
brisk trail
it's gud
molten nymph
but i do find myself healing through the well to full anyway
exotic furnace
also you can get 25 darkness from charon, which is 15 heal, 5 chambers worth of cthonic vitality
molten nymph
yeah
i just don't feel like rolling my chances on charon
exotic furnace
i like to take a lot of max health bonuses so the well doesnt always heal me fully
yeah i know but its just a tiny thing
mostly its the infernal troves and boss heals
molten nymph
that's probably why our opinion differs tbh
i rarely redo bosses, and almost never touch troves
after that one time i got wiped in elysium for wanting health
jaunty vapor
Finally Meg went to my room
molten nymph
nice
exotic furnace
what is lc4?
molten nymph
||-100% healing||
molten nymph
if you can beat the 3rd and final boss with only 1 DD you're basically given more leeway in rooms
stubborn defiance
molten nymph
ye
exotic furnace
actually i beat the final boss yesterday at my friends game with the spear, with almost no upgrades :P
molten nymph
i haven't tried em4 for high heat for a while
exotic furnace
i had 1 dd and 50% backstab damage and thats pretty much it
exotic furnace
i just pick em4 because its fun :P
molten nymph
uh... i think i asked for 45 and people say its still a choice then
brisk trail
it's not bad on its own
exotic furnace
is it really that hard compared to the other things you can do?
id imagine all the other things make the boss way harder too
molten nymph
its hard when you combine it with FO2 and HL5
exotic furnace
||like extra damage and health||
molten nymph
i still dodge ||health||
exotic furnace
it is surprising that fo gives 3
molten nymph
yes
exotic furnace
but maybe not, because reaction time is kinda hard to overcome
its just a human limit
molten nymph
it needs to give 5 
exotic furnace
lol
brisk trail
have u met FO2 EM Asterius
exotic furnace
ive never activated it yet because its already hard enough as it is
brisk trail
i actually have a save file to practice him on now
exotic furnace
oh lol
brisk trail
cause he still gets me
exotic furnace
that ||spin attack|| is not gonna be easy to dodge :P
brisk trail
molten nymph
actually
i might turn on dark vitality for my training runs
thanks monkas
exotic furnace
cool :P
let me know how it goes
i hadnt considered that cthonic vitality is actually better in styx, but still i need those big heals earlier on
and since i die to the final boss often, i do redo a lot of bosses
next sphinx
Aaaaargh my no-boon run is foiled because of Styx rng 
granite ether
exotic furnace
styx rng? you mean getting a sack late?
exotic furnace
but how do you avoid boons?
rapid forum
sack late
granite ether
getting a boon that you can't purge
exotic furnace
oh
next sphinx
In order to get to the final boss you need to find a place to sell your boons in the last room
Or find a sack before boon rooms, yeah
exotic furnace
you can do it with fated authority
granite ether
not reliable enough imo
exotic furnace
you also get keys
granite ether
fated persausion is better for boonless runs
exotic furnace
what does it actually do?
granite ether
especially because it's boonless you're going to be offered core boons for at least 2 out of the 3 options
exotic furnace
but if you wanna go boonless, what does it matter which one you get?
theyre all boons
granite ether
also helps with wells of charon for getting possibly more than 3 consumables from a well
it does matter, since you can no longer use the slot that has a boon on it
granite ether
so for zag bow for example if I run into aphrodite and pick attack, using attack from that point voids the challange run
no you can't
mini-boss rooms are always a god boon
exotic furnace
oh
granite ether
except for styx (that's the only exception)
and you can't rely on dodging mini-boss rooms before styx
granite ether
and since it's boonless the consumables that buff the main thing your aspect does become more important (as well as hammers)
next sphinx
sigh Won the run technically, but lost it in my mind. Oh well, time to try again!
granite ether
congrats, unfortunately styx rng can be a bit of a pain
exotic furnace
is playing boonless actually a steam achievement or just a meta thing?
granite ether
a challenge run for fun
next sphinx
Thanks! It was still fun to try and also Sisyphus’ keepsake is better than I assumed it would be, especially with Chiron bow
exotic furnace
nerds 
granite ether
yeah, the shackle is incredible for boonless runs
next sphinx
It’s also so the final boss will acknowledge you with special dialogue, since in other times they say “you could only do this because of the gods’ help” and things like that, which is what I was fishing for
exotic furnace
hammer upgrades arent boons right?
granite ether
they aren't
hammers are quite significant for boonless, concentrated volley for example helps out chiron quite a bit
so does the hammer that's special does +400% to armoured foes and piercing (not sure on that last part)
next sphinx
Now I must clean and do laundry instead of trying to get their attention again, woe is me 
exotic furnace
ive never used chiron's aspect yet, does it just fire all shots at a single target?
next sphinx
I was super lucky, got concentrated volley and plus 4 shots
brisk trail
the special fires at the target last hit by your attack
exotic furnace
yeah
brisk trail
i left off at a boonless rama run yesterday, one of the fun things i found was
buying everything from wells
since i didn't need a lot of money
next sphinx
Yes, that was really nice for once!
junior fjord
Got a 500mb update today.. New content?!?!?
brisk trail
nah, just balance changes
next sphinx
Oh, Chaos counts as boons, right? Or no?
granite ether
yeah they're boons
granite ether
ahh, that's true
next sphinx
Wait was the patch on the switch finally?
next sphinx
Aww
granite ether
I think the switch patch will happen at the same time as cross saves
next sphinx
I hope they didn’t go too hard with the balance changes, I’m pretty happy with things as they are
granite ether
purely because of how console patches have a number of hoops to jump through
limpid crown
read the #hades-patch-notes
granite ether
the changes are outlined in #hades-patch-notes
next sphinx
thank you!
granite ether
no worries ^_^
next sphinx
Okay, all reasonable/good changes, that’s good to know!
faint flint
Fixed the damage preview for Hazard Bomb (Rail) not being quite the right size
Gee
I wonder why
Go to 5:15 for the best part
limpid crown
He's so disappointed lol
molten nymph
...is it weird that nemesis starts to click the moment i think of it as a weird human bow
brave dove
|| was fighting Hades and was like I WON then the health went back up >.< ||
molten nymph
you should’ve known ||its not a bossfight until the guitar riffs||
brave dove
lol
carmine ravine
he got defiances just like you
unreal abyss
so i'm 76 hours in and just now noticed the prompt in the menu recommending the use of a controller
is it worth switching?
balmy elm
if youre 76 hours in probably not
i play with controller but ive done with some runs with kbm for fun
carmine ravine
controller is better imo
carmine ravine
tried both
balmy elm
depends what you wanna do
ive only touched that for one run
but i had a different goal in mind: beating 32 heat
which i did but i still havent touched EM dad
carmine ravine
just get apjro/zeus duo with poseidon call, ez bosses
unreal abyss
i'm trying to beat 16 heat rn with max extreme measures
- whatever boosts the enemy count
balmy elm
oh god
unreal abyss
hades is
balmy elm
jury summons
unreal abyss
pain
balmy elm
with EM4
unreal abyss
yes
balmy elm
nice
unreal abyss
oh and middle management 1 too
balmy elm
forced overtime makes enemies attacks and movement speed faster 20% for each rank
max at 40%
would be hell with EM4
unreal abyss
sounds like pain
anyway i'm gonna do a practice run with the controller on 12 heat
it seems better on paper because you don't have to focus on aiming as much
exotic furnace
wow you got that far with a keyboard? @unreal abyss
exotic furnace
not that ive tried playing with keyboard, but a controller seems so much more comfortable
unreal abyss
keyboard just seemed like a better choice at first because i'm used to playing isaac with it
exotic furnace
ah
i wonder how controller actually compares for someone who is already good on the keyboard
exotic furnace
you aim with the mouse?
unreal abyss
ye
unreal abyss
wasd
brisk trail
there is dash on cursor if you are a monster
aka pretend this game is hyper light drifter
exotic furnace
i guess the biggest difference is that you can move with just a thumb on pad, while for wasd you need like 3 fingers
thorny crescent
i'm gonna just say it
when i started playing this game
i thought damn this game is so polished
but the more i play it
the more janky things i notice about it
astral swift
I-isn't that most things? The more you interact with something the more you see under the surface?
limpid crown
How so?
thorny crescent
Yeah but it’s different with Hades
ember rune
is there a voice channel that I can stream my Hades gameplay on discord?
thorny crescent
is there a voice channel that I can stream my Hades gameplay on discord?
No
With Hades it’s different because
The jank that it has can also negatively affect your run
like bosses attacking during their invulnerability frames
Or attacking without any wind-up(even though the windup was there every single time)
stuff like that
astral swift
So glitches?
thorny crescent
Yeah mostly
And for me they’re very frequent
And very frustrating
Like
Today I lost a death defiance while doing a ||Charon fight|| because he was literally spamming his melee attack while invulnerable
If that ain’t broken I don’t know what is
And the worst part is
That was a ||32 heat run||
And a very good one at that
astral swift
errant relic
How to beat Charon?
limpid crown
Bonk his head
errant relic
Even with Arthur's Sword i can't seem to beat him, its going to take a while to find enough bags to learn his patterns
limpid crown
I hate that aspect. It feels so slow for me. Maybe that's why you can't beat him though
robust sundial
dash dash dash
errant relic
Yea, with its slow attack speed i can't seem to land the last hit of the combo dealing 300 dmg
If im going to attempt beating him, i should use the manual reload gun aspect instead
limpid crown
I usually go with bow cause im a coward 
covert cipher
dash on cursor is a lot more comfortable for runs tbh but it isn't for everyone
opaque nexus
I hate that aspect. It feels so slow for me. Maybe that's why you can't beat him...
arthur hate
brisk trail
dash on cursor is a lot more comfortable for runs tbh but it isn't for everyone
how would that work with attack?
it may be because i'm used to wasd but i don't see how it would be more comfortable
covert cipher
i click where the shades are usually, and using wasd dash sometimes sends me in the opposite direction
exotic furnace
arthur is so strong
covert cipher
the way i play is more similar to league mechanics than wasd (because i'm just not used to wasd)
exotic furnace
with the doulbe dash strike hammer upgrade it almost feels like cheating
because it becomes really fast and hard hitting
covert cipher
i mean, those upgrades wouldn't be in the game if they weren't meant to be used
exotic furnace
even without that upgrade, i like it
although i just played with ||gilgamesh||1 run and it may be my new favorite
brisk trail
wouldn't it be difficult to attack and dash in two separate directions?
woeful wigeon
time to play hades on my school lunch period
covert cipher
wouldn't it be difficult to attack and dash in two separate directions?
when i get into rooms i just dash everywhere, so i don't really use wasd anyways and dash attack is just space key, mouse click
brisk trail
e.g. with the bow, dashing backwards while aiming forwards
covert cipher
ah i see, i'm just going through runs with aegis
i can't get a proper handle on coronacht
woeful wigeon
charon kind of cute tbh
covert cipher
i'll give coronacht a try!
thorny crescent
Arthur is the strongest yet the weakest aspect in the game
It deals a lot of damage but it’s just painful to play with
The enemy you’re trying to hit can go home,make some food,workout,get a job and get a PHD before you can land even a single hit.
But then again it hits so hard his entire family,friends,and friends of friends will also die from it
woeful wigeon
i want bouldy boi
glacial lagoon
that's a spoiler
opaque nexus
Arthur is the strongest yet the weakest aspect in the game
Not really
glacial lagoon
oh I'm late nvm
opaque nexus
Arthur is really strong up until high heat
runic agate
||Gilgamesh|| second best aspect
exotic furnace
@thorny crescent nice description of ||arthur|| :P
opaque nexus
Okay... the way you said it made it sound like you were saying it was bad and then exaggerating it, so I was saying it wasn’t bad
opaque nexus
Really beginner friendly
thorny crescent
It was my favourite up until I discovered that Zeus is actually a fun god
runic agate
me who cant do a negative heat run meep
opaque nexus
B-but big number
opaque nexus
I like Zeus runs as much as the next guy
runic agate
because negative heat DOESNT EXIST the best heat ive done is 7
opaque nexus
But big number
thorny crescent
You feel like my man Palpatine
opaque nexus
Especially with like the fists or something
Rail
runic agate
Rn my fav gods are
thorny crescent
Rail indeed
opaque nexus
It feels like Zeus was made for the rail
runic agate
posiden and ares
runic agate
It feels like Zeus was made for the rail
I think it was lmao
@thorny crescent Your opinion is wrong
opaque nexus
I can tell you from using the weapon in speedruns and 32 heat that it is definitely not overhyped
thorny crescent
Have you ever tried fists with Zeus tho?
opaque nexus
Zeus fists is nice
opaque nexus
Eris is imo borderline overpowered if not overpowered
thorny crescent
idk I played it like two times
runic agate
At max level eris it does +75% damgae TO ALL STATS for 8 seconds so if ypu habe a epic zues that does 15 dmg pershot it does 25
thorny crescent
The runs were ok at best
runic agate
its instantly crazy
thorny crescent
huh
opaque nexus
And any call you have
thorny crescent
Well it might be worth trying again
opaque nexus
And not only that if you have rocket bomb you can buff yourself instantly
runic agate
ITS BROKEN AS HECKK
thorny crescent
k
runic agate
Eris is by far the most powerful aspect
opaque nexus
I don’t understand why they buffed it
runic agate
ask the speed runners
runic agate
I don’t understand why they buffed it
Wdym
opaque nexus
Check the speedrun,com leaderboards for any heat, like 90% of the top 50 is eris
runic agate
They put it at 60% in the test branch then unnerfed it
runic agate
Before 1.0 it was only 60%
Oh i didnt know that im a 1.0 player
brisk trail
I think it's 75% for 4 seconds, now.
opaque nexus
60% eris was underrated I think
runic agate
I think it's 75% for 4 seconds, now.
Ita still 8
opaque nexus
rocket bomb buffs you instantly?
Yes it is by far the best hammer
brisk trail
with the recent patch
opaque nexus
It also works with cluster bomb and targeting system
brisk trail
It's 4 now.
runic agate
i swear on my run yesterday it said 8 seconds
opaque nexus
It does high damage
runic agate
hmm
runic agate
Pc
brisk trail
PC.
opaque nexus
Oh maybe it didn’t update
runic agate
Oh maybe it didn’t update
Naw i just dont read
woeful wigeon
what do i use keys for after unlocking all weapons and mirror stuff?
runic agate
Trading and reseting the mirror @woeful wigeon
woeful wigeon
why would i want to reset the mirror
opaque nexus
Mostly save them up, there are end game cosmetics that cost a lot of keys
runic agate
Lol
opaque nexus
One costs 200
runic agate
no to respec it
you get all your darkness back and can redo where ypu put it if you want to change something @woeful wigeon
wind nest
That becomes functionally useless in the late-late game when you have the mirror fully kitted out
brisk trail
Yeah, but any resource-collecting in a roguelite does.
woeful wigeon
how do i fight ||charon|| again?
robust sundial
you have ||to "borrow" money from him when it appears in shops that are not the ones before the boss room||
woeful wigeon
i did that once and the option hasn't showed up again
robust sundial
RNG
woeful wigeon
ah
brisk trail
22% chance, and it can only happen once, so if you skip it it won't appear again until the next run.
grizzled rampart
And btw, the boss fight is really hard to take in Tartarus :')
woeful wigeon
i did it in tartarus and it wasn't that hard tbh
wind nest
Yeah the fight isn't that hard...., he just hits REALLY hard lol
exotic heron
the fight isn't hard...until you use the pact of punishment to increase his attack speed. Then you die because you aren't used to it 🙂
carmine ravine
How could i be on test branch if i was on a console
if u update and then resumed a run b4 the update then the buff wont change
flat nebula
a friend of mine said the shading in hades is terrible and the artists have no idea what they're doing, what do I tell them
runic agate
@carmine ravine I'm aware of that I started the run after the update
@carmine ravine I'm just bad at reading
remote anchor
@flat nebula tell them 99% of 85 000 Steam reviews
flat nebula
you right
carmine ravine
a friend of mine said the shading in hades is terrible and the artists have no i...
is useless to fight their opinion since certain stylized methods are not for everyone. case in point: enter the spiderverse
flat nebula
Yeah I understand it not suiting their taste, but I mentioned it being a stylistic decision and they deadass said "there's stylistic and then there's just bad and not knowing what you're doing as an artist" and it rubbed me all the wrong ways
slim grail
I only managed to beat ||hades|| once and i cant beat him ever since. Whats wrong with me???
wild schooner
is there any way to increase your chances of a god replacing a boon?
carmine ravine
wdym
carmine ravine
I only managed to beat ||hades|| once and i cant beat him ever since. Whats wron...
final boss name is a spoiler her plz tag that
slim grail
@carmine ravine it is? Sorry i thought it was rather obvious haha ok. I take note of that
wild schooner
like, if i wanted to swap my artemis attack for an aphrodite attack, is there any way i can force that to happen? rather than exhausting that gods boon pool
carmine ravine
u can reroll i guess, but its very unlikely
sage sedge
Is the cross-save feature planned for a release this month or we'll have to wait until 2021? Thx.
brisk trail
no announced ETA
slim grail
@wild schooner speaking of Aphrodite, is her boon rly useful?
wild schooner
which one? there are a lot of them
carmine ravine
u acn reroll with persuasion if u want @wild schooner
slim grail
@wild schooner i mean in general. Like Zeus thunder helps a lot and so is artemis crit but Aphrodite lowering enemy attck not rly helping
brisk trail
if not you could also purge it and that might give you better chances
slim grail
I mean this is what i think
wild schooner
aphrodite is weak, and also has highest damage boons out of all gods
broken marsh
what are the easiest heats?
wild schooner
and i am trying to replace it cause i have a level 20 artemis attack, and i want that sweet sweet damage
broken marsh
easiest heats?
brisk trail
What heat level
broken marsh
2-3
brisk trail
Tight Deadline is free
carmine ravine
yea i cant think other debuff name to put on the curse, altho weaken should be easier to describe
wild schooner
yeah, tight deadline is pretty easy. you rarely need 9 minutes.
broken marsh
i already beat the game with the heat that makes things more expensive
carmine ravine
tight deadline, middle management, extreme measures all fine
wild schooner
the higher ranks make it pretty tricky IMO
winter harbor
Try beating the game with every condition
brisk trail
TD2 is 3 heat, right?
wild schooner
i think its 2?
broken marsh
whats td2
winter harbor
You get 15 titan blood for doing so
wild schooner
Tight deadline 2
brisk trail
I never take TD3 cause im slow ):
broken marsh
what is tight deadline
wild schooner
i have managed to beat TD3 with shield
carmine ravine
heat condition
brisk trail
It gives you a time limit per region
broken marsh
oh
brisk trail
first rank is 9 min
broken marsh
and it gives u 15 titan blood??
wild schooner
yeah, but it stacks with the remaining time of the last region
wild schooner
yeah
umbral turtle
just finished all prophecies
brisk trail
there's a prophecy that requires you to do all the heat conditions (doesn't have to be in one run)
umbral turtle
tbh the most difficult one for me was the all duo boons
wild schooner
oh, i find duos pretty easy to get. i dread having to get Hermes's legendries though
winter harbor
I'm just missing artemis' and zeus' legendary now
Zeus I feel like won't be that bad, but for artemis, I might want to go for a cast build
wild schooner
try a cast build with hunting blades. 10/10 would blend again
north drum
How to tell I've been farming darkness on a number of run... 145 escape attempts, 63,000 darkness 😛
brisk trail
oh wow, i'm at 100 and 20k lmao
wild schooner
how do i do good spear builds? i know how to make good builds with every weapon except the spear
north drum
if you level it, achilles makes a great casting weapon
otherwise it's pretty reliant on hammers
brisk trail
pray for flurry jab 
north drum
spear, that is
brisk trail
i actually don't know anything about spear
wild schooner
honestly... i don't really like flurry jab
wild schooner
oh wait, its the bow version of flurry jab i don't like
brisk trail
oh no, i hate that one as well
wild schooner
powershot=best
gusty pawn
where dem switch cross saves at yo
feral urchin
never
brisk trail
so i had a weird event happen to me
I was playing the game and it was one of those early rooms where the way to the door is really thin
and there was a chaos door in front and I couldn't get to the door lol
I had to go into the chaos dimension
feral urchin
Chaos is tired of waiting >:(
brisk trail
he forced me to him lol
feral urchin
exactly
brisk trail
"oh you wanted to leave. yeah you can leave if you come to me"
feral urchin
not like going to chaos is very bad anyways
feral urchin
you lose a little health yeah but you'll either make up for it in no time or heal soon
plus it adds a little challenge with a good reward
brisk trail
it was only bad because i was trying to do a ...max heat run aha
brisk trail
hey pro tip? i uhhhh don't reccomend it
unless you work your way up to it
no one's ever done it
so i can imagine
wild schooner
nobody has ever done a max heat run?
brisk trail
highest so far is 57
wild schooner
damn
brisk trail
i think many have, i don't think anyone has succeeded?
winter harbor
I think max heat is impossible
winter harbor
LC4 + RI4 = no healing, no DDs/SDs
brisk trail
who knows
wild schooner
i had a moment of "i could be the first" but then i realized, i can barely clear 7 heat
brisk trail
there be some based high heat gamers over here
yeah
someone's done LC4 RI4 with guan yu
32 heat but still
you know what kind of speed run I adore?
the "first run ever" speed run
i think thats so cool
fresh file?
void ginkgo
I beat it on 2 heat once. :/
wild schooner
wouldn't max heat technically have to be on hell mode?
brisk trail
omg i'm so dumb
brisk trail
I was playing the game and it was one of those early rooms where the way to the ...
I COULD HAVE DASHED OVER IT
winter harbor
(removes brief shielf of invincibility after a big hit)
brisk trail
