h1-discussion

[molten nymph]

though not having rerolls kinda

[brazen basalt]

Not the in-game list but learning builds online

I also spent like 20 runs before learning daedelus hammer is mandatory hahahaha

[molten nymph]

it is if you think it is
the game is played at your pace

[quiet gull]

Uhhhhh Hammers arent mandatory

The game will constantly throw them at you, yes, but you can dodge

[molten nymph]

simple strategy like
this weapon attacks quickly, so this god should go well with it is not cheating though

[quiet gull]

If you can dodge a bull, you can dodge a hammer

[dark scroll]

Technically no but if you are doing a weapon build they are a huge part of the power.

[mint dirge]

hammer upgrades are massive

[dark scroll]

I skip em when I do cast builds though.

[molten nymph]

i can't dodge a bull to save my life, but you bet i can dodge hammers on cast builds

[quiet gull]

Hammers can be a liability if you have the pact that limits choices, though

[brazen basalt]

No but i love what they do. And if your choice is between a hammer and gemstones, I'd wager you should probably go hammer

[quiet gull]

Even on attack and special builds

[mint dirge]

which weapon do you prefer for cast builds? poseidon?

[molten nymph]

yeah
i just had an eris run where the game lets me pick between self damaging special and shotgun attack

i chose concede

[mint dirge]

eris self dmg special

[brisk trail]

ive personally completed several runs without ever touching the hammer 🤷 mind you, i dont take builds super seriously, i just get all the dashes i can and go wild

[quiet gull]

Hey, you can dash through your own special and still get the buff

[mint dirge]

lol no thanks

[quiet gull]

Coward!

Real men eat their damage and like it

[molten nymph]

whoa calm down meg fans

[bronze ravine]

Just do a revenge build to hide your inner masochism

[astral swift]

I just got 3 Ares rooms in a row I get it, I get it ;-;

[mint dirge]

i just got poseidon's || legendary fishing boon in the temple of styx ||

[brazen basalt]

Also how do i get titan blood? Seems like an extreme grind.

[mint dirge]

save up your obols and || buy it at the last shop, he always has one or a diamond for sale ||

[brazen basalt]

What i figured. Just do money runs i guess

[mint dirge]

i wouldn't recommend buying them at the trader, too expensive

[molten nymph]

take it from someone who bought like
10 of it from the shop

its not worth it

[brazen basalt]

Ive already wasted many diamonds lol

[mint dirge]

diamonds are almost a harder grind anyway lmao

[molten nymph]

but you p much only use diamonds later

and mainly to make the lounge prettier

[brazen basalt]

I dont know why i want them either, havent seen much use for aspects

[mint dirge]

what do you mean

[molten nymph]

save 3 for good riddance though

[mint dirge]

aspects are better than the standard weapon in almost every case

[mint dirge]

i need to unlock this already

[brazen basalt]

Aspects dont seem to effect much as far as i have played. The magnesis fists with posiden attack is pretty nice

[mint dirge]

been spending nectar elsewhere

[mint dirge]

chiron for the bow and chaos for the shield are unreal weapons

[molten nymph]

and eris is just straight up +80% to everything

[mint dirge]

yeah aspects are wild || arthur for sword || too

[cinder lichen]

All of the Sword aspects are cool

[molten nymph]

chiron, eris, and chaos needs investment before you could really feel the punch though

[mint dirge]

for sure

chaos fully upgraded

dio build

[molten nymph]

try running the hera bow with dio cast to feel how much aspects actually change the playstyle

[cinder lichen]

...You know what I wonder? What would an Infernal weapon look like without an Aspect?

Generic weapon?

[mint dirge]

i cant bring myself to play any bow other than chiron

[molten nymph]

i enjoy all three bow aspects

its the only weapon where i actually play all the aspects (except the zag)

[cinder lichen]

Been trying out an Eris run, p aight Though I plead that Ares can help me fulfill a prophecy more easily

[mint dirge]

all the spear ones are cool

[molten nymph]

only problem with spear aspects is i suck with spear

[mint dirge]

yeah

[dark scroll]

Spear I use GY and cast one.

[molten nymph]

so i picked the aspect where i can just not play spear

[mint dirge]

ok so i finally got charged special with GY just now

wow

[cinder lichen]

Spear I have the most trouble with tbh

Can do well, but haven’t quite mastered it, just yet.

How would you work with Guan Yu again?

[brazen basalt]

Im awful with spear and bow

[quiet gull]

Strongly recommend 4th Aspect, it's so much fun

[dark scroll]

3rd one most fun, pick dio with it and boom

[raven lava]

i've been using hera bow

its fun

[molten nymph]

my favorite bow is 4th

big chonky damage

[cinder lichen]

Hera’s p interesting
I just wish it would benefit Stygian more

[mint dirge]

my charged specials with GY are doing like 400 dmg non crit right now

only in 2nd zone

[molten nymph]

charged special hidden spear is the 5th bow aspect

[cinder lichen]

I’m still gonna whine about Hera and Stygian synergy more

[mint dirge]

what do you mean

[cinder lichen]

So you know how Hera and Poseidon aspects allow you to deal more burst damage?

[molten nymph]

...i usually run stygian whenever i run dio cast

[cinder lichen]

Oh wait who are you asking

[molten nymph]

on any cast weapon

[cinder lichen]

Dude, you get more stuff done on Infernal Soul with cast weapons

[mint dirge]

you

[molten nymph]

i think you break even with one extra cast from chaos

plus the freedom of not needing to think about where the stone is is great

[mint dirge]

also, am i crazy or are boons for abilities you already have rarer

[cinder lichen]

Aight, so, Dislodging Bloodstones helps you a lot more...if you have Infernal Soul.
With Stygian Soul, the quicker drop times don’t allow you get faster burst damage, but instead removes an enemy’s debuff faster

[mint dirge]

like say i have dio dash, will future dash boons be rarer to spawn?

seems that way

[molten nymph]

yes

[hexed pilot]

exchanges aren't offered often

[cinder lichen]

Unless you have Exit Wounds or don’t focus on a Cast that doesn’t lodge, you’d think you would want your Stygian Soul cast to remain embedded in your opponent instead of being freed quicker, right?

[molten nymph]

and traded boons has better rarity than the original

...yeah, that's why i specified dio cast

[mint dirge]

damn unlucky then

[molten nymph]

which is what i usually run on hera

[brazen basalt]

Sometimes i love hangover damage runs

[cinder lichen]

You can stack casts on Hera and 4th ||Shield||

[lunar oyster]

hmm how to get nyx weapon?

[dark scroll]

+7 artemis shot ;o

[lethal socket]

bro imma cry i just died while fightiung hades

[mint dirge]

hangover is completely nuts on chaos shield

[lunar oyster]

ok then

[lethal socket]

hangoverr cast is insne

[lunar oyster]

spinning blade cast too

[cinder lichen]

Nyx doesn’t have a weapon btw

If you mean Chaos you just need to unlock it

[lunar oyster]

uh oh yeah the chaos weapon

still dont know how to farm titan blood

[molten nymph]

either get it from the ||styx|| shop, wait for the broker, or ||finish the game and unlock heats||

[lunar oyster]

hmm fair enough

[mint dirge]

broker is the worst option

[cinder lichen]

It doesn’t sound that bad, you just need to get a bunch of gems, and then a bunch of keys, and then a bunch of Nectar, and then Diamonds, and then Ambrosia, and then Titan Blood

Easy process, see!

[mint dirge]

two shotting hydra heads with charged GY special feels good

[cinder lichen]

Pfheh

[ember cloud]

im sure that everyone else already asked this, but.. there is no DLC/Hades 2 announced right?

[molten nymph]

no

[ember cloud]

or did they officially say that there won't be any

[cinder lichen]

I feel like if you’re able to delete the Heroes without taking anything more than 2X damage then you’re p cool

[brazen basalt]

Supergiant is on break and celebrating how successful this game is

[ember cloud]

ok

ty ❤️

[cinder lichen]

I mean, if there was, there wouldn’t be any in the near future

This game started 2 years ago, and just officially released a month or so ago

[brazen basalt]

I personally just want a sequel in Olympus.

[cinder lichen]

That said, still gonna simp for the company if the other games are also to judge by

[brazen basalt]

This is my first SG game. Are they all this good?

[mint dirge]

i've only played bastion and hades now

[molten nymph]

they need a believable reason for ||the gods to give us boon while we wreck stuff on our way to olympus|| though

[mint dirge]

bastion was really fun when it released

[cinder lichen]

Played Hades and Pyre. I hear the other two are good. I have Transistor and have yet to play it.

Again, still gonna simp for SGG

[dim nest]

Transistor is also very good

[molten nymph]

or they could make it so ||we get boon from chthonic gods|| that'll be cool

[brazen basalt]

Hell yeah @molten nymph

Pun intended

Man oh man this dionysus/ares focused run is shredding

[cinder lichen]

Did they have a duo boon?

Er, I forgot what it was.

[mint dirge]

doesn't everyone have a duo?

theirs is hangover deals dmg faster

[cinder lichen]

Hm.

Kewl

[brazen basalt]

Haven't got the duo but the damage over time is just amazing. I do a couple of attacks and step away and watch die

[lethal socket]

is the frostbitten horn good?

[mint dirge]

i love how much dialogue there is in this game that responds to things you wouldn't think it would

like || fighting asterius without EM after defeating them with EM on a prior run ||

[mint dirge]

its good if you wanna guarantee a demeter boon

i dont really ever use it

[lethal socket]

ok thank you i just got it i was justy wondering

[brazen basalt]

I liked demeter for about 2 runs. Havent figured out a good synergy yet

[grand root]

|| so I've just finished beating Hades in the end for the first time but after I met Persephone in Greece, Zagreus became weak all of a sudden and when he returned to the House Of Hades, his mother wasn't there|| what does it mean? || does that means i should beat Hades again or not?||

[mint dirge]

|| yeah the first clear is one of many my friend haha ||

[surreal phoenix]

I have unlocked all weapons. How do I open upgrades menu?

[brazen basalt]

OMG i just realized bull rush blocks literally everything. No wonder im on run 60. This is actually easy

I think this is the run.

I say this every day

[mint dirge]

get aspect of chaos upgraded with dio special and something like ares attack

easiest run of your life guaranteed

[brazen basalt]

Thats almost what i have and i havent taken damage for 30 chambers lol

[manic bobcat]

Well they explain this in the dialogues. If you skipped it then maybe Google the plot or ask in #h1-story-discussion

[late siren]

i really love how nuanced all the little interactions are in this game. like, if a god is first to show up to you in a run, and you choose against them in a double boon room, they'll specifically get mad about that

[manic bobcat]

@grand root

[late siren]

the game is full of very specific little interactions like that, the attention to detail surprises me every time i play

[mint dirge]

yeah its great

[manic bobcat]

Over a million lines of dialogue would do that to you.

[surreal phoenix]

How do I upgrade weapons?

I have unlocked them all

[manic bobcat]

Do nore runs

[cinder lichen]

All of the Olympian keepsakes, save for an exception or two, does the same thing, difference being the related god.

[surreal phoenix]

I mean how to open menu

To upgrade them

[mint dirge]

go up to them and hit interact

[surreal phoenix]

Doesnt work

[manic bobcat]

If you literally just unlocked them all, do one more run.

[surreal phoenix]

I did one more run

[cinder lichen]

Play the game more

[manic bobcat]

Do you talk to NPCs? skelly, more specifically

[surreal phoenix]

Yes

[cinder lichen]

Something triggers that ability, but I’m not quite sure what, so just like every other problem, keep playing the game.

[grand root]

ah i see, thanks

[wintry spindle]

I DID IT!

I BEAT ||HADES EM4||

[brisk trail]

gg!

[manic bobcat]

💯

||EM4|| is not joke. Congrats!

[wintry spindle]

It really really isn't

[manic bobcat]

Did you enjoy the music?

[wintry spindle]

I was missing one death defy going in there so I was terrified

But I managed

And yeah the music's great

I'd already tried and failed once

[mint dirge]

what weapon did you use

[wintry spindle]

for my win? Aegis, ||Beowulf aspect||

[cinder lichen]

Secret ||3rd phase final boss Metal music|| will always get me.

[wild mason]

Best song I’ve found in the game so far is Eurydice’s

[wintry spindle]

Good Riddance is amazing yeah

[wild mason]

Could they pause the in game timer when I’m in that room so I can listen to the song without hurting my run times?

[manic bobcat]

It's already paused brother

[wild mason]

[manic bobcat]

NPC chambers pause the in game timer.

[wild mason]

These devs think of everything

[manic bobcat]

Enjoy your stay.

[wintry spindle]

I was pleasantly surprised that it also pauses when choosing boons

I wouldn't appreciate not getting to think about that at all

[brazen basalt]

I won!

[wild mason]

And the game is so pretty, I kinda wish there were more environments

[wintry spindle]

Yeah basically all I'd want from the game is like 2 more regions

[wild mason]

Yea, L4 is over so fast

[manic bobcat]

So you want 50% more gameplay

[wintry spindle]

Well when you put it like that lol

[wild mason]

Like maybe branching paths that you unlock ala dead cells

So this run you could skip fire place and go to cave place instead

[manic bobcat]

Yeah that's fair

[wild mason]

I think that would keep the runs the same length, but add more variety between them

[manic bobcat]

Like a RoR2 kinda of branch

[wintry spindle]

Yeah I think with 6 regions to pass through one after another you'd be so bonkers strong at the end (potentially anyway) that the variance would just be too great

Like right now you can win with a bad build if you're really skilled

but they'd have to make the last stuff so hard that you'd be screwed

[wild mason]

Yea, and having options would be cool cause maybe the soulsand valley is a more dangerous area than the basalt cliffs, but it has a guaranteed hammer

And unlocking new areas fits in really well with how the story unfolds too

[grand root]

pardon me but what is ||Hades EM4 and how to get there?||

[wintry spindle]

I've completed the requirements for ||the epilogue|| so right now I'm just waiting for it to trigger

[surreal phoenix]

Ok I have played a run with every single weapon but still I cant unlock upgrades. What is going on

[visual slate]

||extreme measures 4, which is a heat modifier which gives 1 boss a new attack per level, starting with tarturas||

[wintry spindle]

@grand root ||Later in the game you unlock options to make the game harder. One of those is Extreme Measures (EM) which upgrades the bosses one by one. So EM4 is upgraded Hades, a super tough fight||

[modest ledge]

yo can anyone help me with something

[mint dirge]

man these shield dudes in || elysium || kick my ass so bad

[modest ledge]

I can't get the guy who gives you hidden aspect of gun (won't say whom) to give me the line

they just won't

[grand root]

lmao ify , i hate those

[modest ledge]

and it gets so annoying

[visual slate]

have you put at least ||5 titan blood into any rail aspect?||

[manic bobcat]

Ohhhh lmao

[modest ledge]

bro I got the damn epilogue

[manic bobcat]

I think I know why

[modest ledge]

I've maxed out the aspects on gun

they still won't tell me

[visual slate]

damm

[manic bobcat]

You don't have blood.

[visual slate]

lemme look up the requirements for it then

[modest ledge]

I have every other aspect expect that one

[manic bobcat]

I'm assuming you haven't beaten the first boss yet

[modest ledge]

I've even done 32 heat

[sturdy schooner]

https://www.x64.coffee/yN6I

Is this normal?

[visual slate]

@modest ledge https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/j4j5zr/hidden_rail_aspect_wont_unlock_minor_spoilers/

[modest ledge]

yes

you're getting a legendary x64

[visual slate]

yes, this is normal

[modest ledge]

probably the fishing one

[visual slate]

^^^

[sturdy schooner]

Thanks guys

[manic bobcat]

It's a scripted event

Once in a save file.

[sturdy schooner]

Ok awesome!

Appreciate it

[modest ledge]

worlds most useless boon

I recommend selling it after boss for the achievement

[sturdy schooner]

Haha, ok will do. I just saw what it does now 😅

[wild mason]

It’s good for meta progression

[copper pond]

I like fishing

[wild mason]

It’s worth like 200 gems and 3 flasks

[modest ledge]

The only fish I haven't caught is the common one in ||Chaos Realm, and for the dinguses who pressed the spoiler, yes you can fish in Chaos Realm||

[grand root]

what's with the|| pact of punishment?||

[modest ledge]

Its NG+

And you need it to get Blood, Diamonds and Ambrosia again

[astral swift]

You are witnessing the magic of R N G

[mint dirge]

critting for 1300 with GY special

[modest ledge]

Godly RNGesus give me dialogue option

[quasi olive]

Hi guys, quick question : what happens when you have crystal beam with Hera's aspect?

[modest ledge]

RNG is the only thing stopping me from finishing all my bonds

Uuuuuuuh

[visual slate]

once your arrow hits an enemy it just spawns the lasers

[quasi olive]

OK, so no bonus damage, thanks a lot for the quick answer! : )

[visual slate]

np! 👍

[modest ledge]

Ares best cast

Smh

[visual slate]

Poseidon cast best

smh

[modest ledge]

Zeus worst attack boons

Smh my head

[visual slate]

unless you're using eris rail

then only 1 is good

lmao

[modest ledge]

Imagine not using basic zagreus for everything /s

Tho

Chaos shield or zeus

[visual slate]

depends on the build

[modest ledge]

I just prefer chaos pverall

Shotgun playstyle

[manic bobcat]

but

[visual slate]

chaos + dire misfortune from ares is fun

[manic bobcat]

why dn't you play an actually shot gun

with Zag Rail Spreadfire?

[thorny crescent]

yeah you can get an actual shotgun in the game lol

[modest ledge]

Spread fire is a beautiful upgrade

I love it so much

[thorny crescent]

it’s total trash but it’s funny

[manic bobcat]

It used to be better

Old SpreadFire is legit S tier hammer

oh how time changed

[modest ledge]

Remember heat from lernie

[thorny crescent]

Remember when the gun used to be actually good?

Yeah I don’t

[mint dirge]

gun is worst weapon cmm

[thorny crescent]

It was always kinda the weakest weapon

[manic bobcat]

This a bait?

[thorny crescent]

Excuse me?

[manic bobcat]

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. I'll take it at face value. Guns is definitely not the weakest weapon. In fact, Eris Rail appears to be a bit OP at the moment.

[runic agate]

No. It's great for eris gun and maybe fists

[wintry spindle]

It's nice to have gotten good enough at the ||first three tiers of Extreme Measures|| that they no longer really feel like disadvantages

[thorny crescent]

Ok but hear me out

[grand root]

also, i use shield of chaos to fight during my runs, it's kinda easy for me cuz you can block yourself but idk how to use the heart-seeking bow tbh

[thorny crescent]

We can all agree that

Poseidon is the worst god to pick

[quasi olive]

Just realized that Hades got the GOTY award, that's so cool, and so deserved, congrats everyone! : )

[wintry spindle]

For what?

[thorny crescent]

For anything

[manic bobcat]

Got NOMINATED

[wintry spindle]

His dash is crazy and you can do cool stuff with him

[runic agate]

HADES DEVSERVE TO WIN GOTY FOR BEST VOICE ACTING CUZ MEG ALONE

[thorny crescent]

His dash can be the same as any other attack dash except this one looks cool

[manic bobcat]

the real award isn't until decemeber

[thorny crescent]

And don’t even try to defend knockback

[wintry spindle]

His call is also good

[manic bobcat]

you can vote for Hades at this link https://thegameawards.com/ btw

[thorny crescent]

unless you’ve got rupture it’s trash

[quasi olive]

Oh, I thought that the Time's magazine's decision meant that this was it, my bad.

[runic agate]

@thorny crescent Poseidon dash is good imo

[thorny crescent]

It is but

It’s by no means the best

[manic bobcat]

https://youtu.be/DCNKR3JmuGg?t=976

[thorny crescent]

It’s like sub b-tier

[wintry spindle]

What do you think the best dash is?

[runic agate]

What's the best dash in your opinon

[manic bobcat]

Except Tidal Dash is the speedrun ideal boon right now

[thorny crescent]

Athena

[manic bobcat]

Case in point above

[wintry spindle]

Athena's okay

[runic agate]

I like Poseidons dash cuz it's easy to get 100dmg dash

[thorny crescent]

Athena is the biggest crunch in the entire game

[runic agate]

And I love it

[grand root]

oh yea, how do u ||unlock charon's secret fight tho?||

[thorny crescent]

Honestly,no idea it seems that for everyone who plays the game it happens just randomly no matter your progress

[runic agate]

Bruh

[grand root]

ahh i see, well alright then

[thorny crescent]

I’m probably wrong tho

[runic agate]

|| steal from charon it should appear randomly ||

[thorny crescent]

Welp guess I’m not

[wintry spindle]

Yeah i saw that ||sack you steal|| once, but didn't feel ready to take it, and I've just never seen it again'

[manic bobcat]

it's a random encounter that can occur only in middle shop

[runic agate]

|| it's a gold bag behind him that says borrow ||

[manic bobcat]

so if you want a chance to find that encounter, don't skip your middle shops

[runic agate]

|| it's rare but possible to get it in tartarus though ||

[manic bobcat]

yeah def

[thorny crescent]

Ok that’s just wrong because I’ve definitely gotten that in final shops

[manic bobcat]

that's literally impossible my man

[thorny crescent]

In tartarus I think

[runic agate]

It can occur when ever

[raven lava]

that's not possible; the final shops don't have the spot where it spawns

[thorny crescent]

Tartarus though

[raven lava]

tartarus final shop literally doesn't have a spot for it

[runic agate]

But I've found that it's most common in asphodel

[thorny crescent]

Huh

[manic bobcat]

I think you must have misremembered

[thorny crescent]

Maybe it was an old version then

[manic bobcat]

Happens to the best of us.

[runic agate]

@raven lava I think he means elysium not styx

[thorny crescent]

because I definitely remember getting that

[runic agate]

Because you cant get it in styx no matter what

[raven lava]

no i figured
final shop of a region not the big styx shop

and you can't get it in the final shop of a region either

[runic agate]

But you can in elysium I think

[raven lava]

no

[runic agate]

Fairly sure you can tho

[raven lava]

there are two shop layouts per region
one of them has room for it and shows up roughly around the miniboss
the other shows up before the final boss and does not have room for it

[thorny crescent]

In elysium definitely not

[raven lava]

this is true for all three non-styx regions

[manic bobcat]

||Charon fight|| can only be triggered in Middle Shop in Tartarus, Asphodel, or Elysium.

[thorny crescent]

Honestly I don’t even know

it probably was an old version then

[runic agate]

I thought you meant middle as in only in asphodel

That was my bad

[thorny crescent]

Maybe it was bugged?

Can that happen?

[runic agate]

By final I thought he ment in elysium

I was in the wrong there

[thorny crescent]

Because I remember for sure that it was Tartarus

May have been bugged

[wintry spindle]

OH

[manic bobcat]

Maybe. Regardless, if you want Charon, just don't skip shops in general 😄

[wintry spindle]

I always skip those

that's why I haven't seen it

[thorny crescent]

The reason why I remember is because

That run

I lost two death defiances

[runic agate]

I've only fought against ||charon once|| and I lost REALLY BADLY

[thorny crescent]

On Tartarus

[thorny crescent]

||Charon|| doesn’t even have hard patterns,it’s just that he does like 3 billion damage per smack

[runic agate]

I'm a ||stubborn defiance|| user since I die alot

[dark scroll]

It's not that difficult but you can't do the fight with the first oportunity if you just got 1 or 2 boons.

[thorny crescent]

Huh

Interesting

[runic agate]

|| and his big slap that I can never time the dash right ||

[dark scroll]

You get rekt. If you wait 1/2 area's you got some more boons, more damage.

[thorny crescent]

Don’t even mention the mega slap

[runic agate]

BRUH

[dark scroll]

Like doing the fight with standard bow and lets say zeus attack and posei dash, 125 hp only... I wouldn' recommend ;p

[autumn charm]

Is the shield the easiest weapon to beat hades with?

[thorny crescent]

I love the idea of some stick doing more damage than a smack from ||the literal god of the dead||

[thorny crescent]

Honestly any ranged is great

[astral swift]

Spoiler that plox

[dark scroll]

The game Hades. ;p

[autumn charm]

I finally beat him on the 19 escape and I’ve only used the shield, that dash slash is wiild

[thorny crescent]

Yeah the game Hades

[dark scroll]

For a new player I suppose its a good choice. Infinite blocking and all.

[thorny crescent]

What else would that be,stupid

[grand root]

ive tried and i guess u could say that cuz idk how to use that one machine gun and the bow

[astral swift]

Could be ||Bouldy||

[dark scroll]

Sssst.

[thorny crescent]

The bow seems weak but it’s actually the most overpowered weapon in the entire game

[manic bobcat]

I swear literally every single people who made it sub 20 tries I see used shield

[wintry spindle]

Guide to gun: Equip Thunder Signet, get Zeus attack, pew pew pew

[manic bobcat]

I guess that's not a surprise

[autumn charm]

I’m pretty average at games and it came to me easier then using the sword, being able to block saved me a lot

[thorny crescent]

Try the bow aspects

They’re all top tier

[dark scroll]

And very versatile.

[thorny crescent]

Which weapons do you guys find the best?

In my opinion it’s the bow and the ||arthur aspect|| sword

[dark scroll]

Love all bow ones, first with 5x special, Spear for cast, sword is allright, gun Eris and 4th. ;p

fist*

[manic bobcat]

Hard to say what is best. But my favorite is Demeter Fists, followed by Zag Bow

[runic agate]

|| imo I play Lucifer gun or eris or Achilles ||

[autumn charm]

All try the bow! I’ve only tried the shield really, I’m horrible at range attacks with no block, just gotta practice🤣

[thorny crescent]

||Achilles|| is the worst goddamn aspect to me

Like can you explain how exactly it’s useful

[runic agate]

Blade rift run

[thorny crescent]

And like I hate the spear because of how underwhelming the aspects are to me at least

[dark scroll]

Eh its the best spear. ;p

[runic agate]

Go blade rift and force the hunting blades

[thorny crescent]

Wait

[dark scroll]

And one of the best weapons for cast builds.

[autumn charm]

I watched guides on YouTube about the pact PF punishment but I’m still kinda confused

[thorny crescent]

Does the weird ||Ach.|| leap count as A DASH??

[autumn charm]

Should I just start out with 1 or should. I try using like 4 or 5 even though it only asks for 1

[manic bobcat]

no swearies in my minecrafr christian server please

[runic agate]

@thorny crescent yes

[dark scroll]

It can also dodge enemies and bosses and gives you bonus damage.

[thorny crescent]

Oh my god why didn’t you tell me

[runic agate]

It dodges

Its crazy

[thorny crescent]

I’m forcing hunting blades

[dark scroll]

You can choose but picking 5 only gives reward for 1.

[runic agate]

Yeah

[thorny crescent]

there’s no stopping me

[wintry spindle]

it doesn't Dio

[thorny crescent]

Dash builds it is

[runic agate]

If you buff blade rift loads

With infernal soul

[manic bobcat]

what about?

[runic agate]

I killed hades in like 5 seconds

[autumn charm]

So it’s better just picking 1 everytime time, and I assume when you beat hades again it keeps adding up ?

I only beat hades once so the pact is just asking for 1

[dark scroll]

1, then 2, then 3 up till 20.

[manic bobcat]

yeah. but the heat is separated for each weapon.

[dark scroll]

afterwards no new rewads.

[autumn charm]

Okay!! Awesome that’s what I needed to know thank you

[runic agate]

Blade rift hunting blades level 6 blade rift max Achilles and bam you do litteraly 5k dmg in .5 seconds @thorny crescent

Its crazy

Freaking broken

[thorny crescent]

That’s why I main mama keepsake

[runic agate]

Lmao

I dont even have that yet

How do you get it?

[thorny crescent]

Those random upgrades are just straight up broken

[thorny crescent]

Give nectar to ||Persephone after your 10th clear||

[astral swift]

Dude that thing is an addiction

[candid knoll]

I genuinely believe Aspect of Zeus is the most broken thing in the game

[manic bobcat]

It's lore locked. You just had your 1st clear it seems. Do like a decent amount more.

[runic agate]

||10th clear got in thx I've beat it 5 times atm ||

[candid knoll]

It's so easy to just get Zeus special and just melt everything to death

[runic agate]

Depends on the weapon

[autumn charm]

The Poseidon rift level 7 is diiiirty 😂 add that with Zeus and it’s OVER

[dark scroll]

Yes and no, with some higher heats it can be bothersome to kil em. ;p

Like stop moving so fast!!!

[manic bobcat]

ok, mb for thinking 1st. but yeah, do ||10, which will bring you to the end credit||

[runic agate]

||I thought that was 15th clear you got the credits?||

[coral prawn]

||nope|| ||yess hello i am a lurker||

[wintry spindle]

I really wish ||Persephone|| would stop saying things and just tell me to go trigger ||the epilogue||

I did everything I need to come onnnn

[runic agate]

|| dont you need to max out like everyone friend ship for that?||

[autumn charm]

I keep giving all my hearts to chaos and Zeus, and Cerberus haha

[manic bobcat]

nah

[wintry spindle]

6 of them, Zek

[green maple]

I

I

OMG

THIS

[autumn charm]

I gave hades one and he’s a haaater lol I can’t gift him anymore

[wind nest]

I don't think being friends with everyone is a requirement for ||the epilogue||

[green maple]

GUYS I...!

FINISHED HADES...!

[wind nest]

Congrats!

You saw credits?

[green maple]

||PERSEPHONE IS BACK!||

[dark scroll]

Thats not finished. ;p

[astral swift]

Good news for you

[wintry spindle]

@wind nest ||You need 6 of the olympian gods at max level||

[green maple]

wait what

uh..

[manic bobcat]

there is the end credit

[wintry spindle]

Oh no you're not done

[green maple]

is there an epilogue

no

why

[manic bobcat]

then there is the epilogue

[dark scroll]

Close though.

[green maple]

what the

uh

okay so

[dark scroll]

closeish

[wind nest]

There's an epilogue but honestly, I wouldn't say it's required reading

[runic agate]

|| I'm going to get the credits today there is no stopping me I'm going to use eris or Achilles and crush the game||

[manic bobcat]

but good job!

[green maple]

i

i pogged 6 million times when

||hades didnt fight me, and i lost my best zeus build screenshot||

[runic agate]

Theres alot more to the game than the credits bud

[manic bobcat]

It's still pog to ||make Zag's family whole again||

[wind nest]

the epilogue does not add enough story texture to be worth playing a bunch more if you're done with the game imo. It's a nice-to-have for big fans who want to keep going

[wintry spindle]

I had such a good build when that happened too

I was almost disappointed

[dark scroll]

@green maple You know you can look that info up in the left room?

[green maple]

yup

but that doesnt really feel like the

[runic agate]

I'm going to get the credits today and nothing is stopping me

[green maple]

screen you know

[coral prawn]

@runic agate use chiron bow

easy mode

[runic agate]

I'm going to use eris and Achilles blade rift and annihilate the game

@coral prawn I dont like that style

[green maple]

and im on 3 streaks!

yay!

im ROCKING THIS GAME!

[dark scroll]

blade rift with eris? ;o

[runic agate]

Ok surrrrre

[green maple]

still have no fist wins tho

😔

[runic agate]

@dark scroll blade rift with Achilles*

[coral prawn]

use chiron bow with epic zeus special and the hammer that gives +3 per consecutive hit with special, I litterally killed ||hades|| in about 4 hits

@runic agate have fun struggling thne

[runic agate]

Lol no

Nearly every time I do a eris run or Achilles run I freaking crush the game

[coral prawn]

you dont know freaking crushing untill you do the chiron bow

have you defeated every boss with 1 hit per phase

one hit

no?

SPOILER

SPOILERs

SPOILERS

[runic agate]

I've done that with Achilles

[coral prawn]

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

DELETE THAT TEXT

[dark scroll]

Eh dont spam?

[coral prawn]

I WAS SPOILED ONCE

ITS AWFUl

...

[runic agate]

@coral prawn || I killed hades in one hit per phase with Achilles so I dont know what you are talking about ||

[coral prawn]

yes but do you do it every single run

how often do you get the exact setup you needed

[runic agate]

|| Achilles+blade rift+hunting blades ||

|| everytime I've wanted the setup I've gotten it since its 2 boons and one duo ||

Also I gtg

[coral prawn]

well mine doesnt even need a dup

duo*

[dark scroll]

posei + deme + can do the same, esp if you got double cast.

[coral prawn]

its just zeus special and a hammer upgrade

[dark scroll]

As long as they stand still, but I guess that goes for both a bit.

[thorny crescent]

These mfs really just said “well my cheap build is better than yours”

[runic agate]

Besides I dont like bow

[coral prawn]

yep

B)

cheap grinding

well I didint like bow untill i tried it

i hated the fists untill i tried them

i hated the shield untill i tried it

[thorny crescent]

what

[runic agate]

I like everything but the bow

I've played the bow like 5 6 times

[coral prawn]

because you dont know how to use it properly

[runic agate]

Just shut ip

[coral prawn]

you shut ip

[runic agate]

I like my build and you like your

I dont care

You are the one attacking me

[coral prawn]

you are the one continuing it i mean

[runic agate]

What.

What

[coral prawn]

if you wana be responsable

you can just stop responding to my childish argument

[runic agate]

I. Dont. Like. The. Bow.

Get over it

[coral prawn]

then stop responding

i am over it

[opaque nexus]

ok uhh let's move on

[coral prawn]

doesnt bother me

[opaque nexus]

[coral prawn]

but it bothers you alot

[runic agate]

Km not going to use your strat when I like mine alot

[coral prawn]

thats why im still talking

[opaque nexus]

ok umm

[coral prawn]

cause you need to learn to step away once you get your point in

[brisk trail]

anyway, i think that poseidon is pretty cool

[opaque nexus]

hades is the best roguelike for speedrunning

[runic agate]

And blocked

[coral prawn]

hahahahahahhaha

ahahahahha

[dark scroll]

...

[opaque nexus]

I say this as an unbiased person who has never speedran hades

and at no point was top 30

[manic bobcat]

Hades? Speedrunning?

[coral prawn]

this could have been avoided if he just stopped arguing

[manic bobcat]

no way

[brisk trail]

lmaooo

[opaque nexus]

real talk

[dark scroll]

You're the one going on...

Go away.

[brisk trail]

ive tried once, failed miserably

[coral prawn]

yeah i know

because im tryin to teach a lesson

[brisk trail]

im somewhat awful at the game, though so eh

[opaque nexus]

the game is fast, it has rng but many ways of controlling it, many categories for different people, and the game is just really good

[coral prawn]

he hasnt made any attempt to stop the argument

but im 100% willing to stop it if he is just respectfull

he doesnt need to respond to me

[brisk trail]

i should probably look into speedrunning strats, id want to try it again sometime with the twin fists

[coral prawn]

h

[opaque nexus]

you're in luck, the fists are one of the most popular speedrunning weapons

my fastest time is with the fists

[brisk trail]

hella, i'll keep building up heat then and see how good i can get

[opaque nexus]

a 7:39

there's one player who has world record in game time with like 20/24 of the aspects lol

[brisk trail]

ooo damn

that aint never gonna be me lmao but still

[opaque nexus]

at one point we had all 24

his zag spear time is almost 40 seconds faster than any time I have ever gotten

one of the worst weapons in the game

[brisk trail]

i personally like the spear but you're valid, they all have pros and cons

i actually like pretty much all of the weapons, honestly, sans the ranged ones. i like to get up close and personal

my death defies dont like it, but i do lol

[dark scroll]

The bow can be a fine melee weapon if you want. ;p

Some good hammers for it, special.

Gun, not so much.

[brisk trail]

oh yeah ive tried to build for that once or twice, i just dont have the reaction time to be able to use it effectively. maybe someday

the gun is just kinda eh in my opinion, but i aim to 100% (or at least go as high as i can) so imma have to get used to it

[manic bobcat]

Hestia can be played like a bow

[mint dirge]

whats the best casting boons/weapon

haven't ever played a cast build

[manic bobcat]

If you find the machine gun like playstyle not your thing

[dusk mantle]

Got 3 duos in one run. Yay

[dark scroll]

Well sword poseidon can be good, spear 2nd (?) has one the highest damage outputs of the game

And the bow one can be really fun too.

Artemis, dio, stacck 4-6 casts and BOOM!

[manic bobcat]

There isn't a consensus on best,

[dark scroll]

Some def work better with certain boons.

[manic bobcat]

But Hera is fun

[dark scroll]

Deme boon on hera? Forget about it. ;p

[manic bobcat]

with say Trippy Shot, Crush Shot, Flood Shot

Don't take Crystal Beam, it's terribad on Hera

[dark scroll]

And ares isn't that amazing either.

[brisk trail]

oh yeah i took that once. worst choice of my Life, i was bored out of my mind

[mint dirge]

i'd like to play trippy shot, heard it's pretty good

[dark scroll]

Works betterr with Spear one.

[mint dirge]

but idk why specifically

[dark scroll]

Highest damage for a single cast.

[manic bobcat]

well try it out

[upbeat burrow]

dio and athena cast seem to be the most popular for hera I think

[manic bobcat]

it feels good

[coral prawn]

@opaque nexus what was the time for zag spear

[manic bobcat]

though Crush Shot is also quite the fad recently

[brisk trail]

ill probably try out trippy shot. any excuse to see dionysus more, i'll take

[mint dirge]

how is the spear a cast weapon

is there something im not understanding

[dark scroll]

2nd one buffs damage for attacks and casts

Simple. ;p

[mint dirge]

oh gotcha

[upbeat burrow]

@mint dirge achilles buffs your next attacks after special, so you special then cast with the buff

[dark scroll]

for 4 attacks/casts

Buff yourself, throw special, cast 4 shots, dash to special, use another 4.

[mint dirge]

what mirror buff should i use

[dark scroll]

+2 cast with the slow effect thingy

since the other only buffs attack/special

[mint dirge]

priv status also?

[dark scroll]

Eh I don't remember all those names, I'm old.

[mint dirge]

the buff to dmg with two curse debuffs on target

[dark scroll]

Ah well thats just up to you. I started using the other one now.

It's 40% debuff damage

Getting 20-25% is quite easy with the other one.

And thats permanent, no need to keep applying 1. And some are much ahrder to keep applying.

[mint dirge]

yeah

[dark scroll]

But its less damage if you can apply it.

So it depends a bit on the player and the build I suppose.

I like stuff being reliable.

[mint dirge]

what boons should i be looking for with achilles spear

[dark scroll]

All casts can work.

Thats just your style.

Athena is a solid one. Get the bouncy one, auto return and such.

Poseidon + deme can be insane.

Nothing wrong with Artemis ofc. Big numbers = good.

Try em all. ;p

Trying to do some trippy shot ones now. Trying to get some deme or zeus duo's.

[slow dew]

do u pick daedras hammer vs take ur preferred god boon?

[manic bobcat]

depends on the weapon and what you have

though in general, I like hammer, but it really depends

[flat vapor]

most weapons i head for hammer immediately

there are a few where i can handle putting it off, but that's usually because there's some other pressing boon worth looking out for

[runic agate]

@flat vapor that aspect from ur name is one of my favs

The way it ramps up is so cool

[dark scroll]

Whats harder is having a hammer and then duoroom of gods you both want and story room act 2 and a chaos room.

too much choice!

[tepid plover]

Chaos is probabky the best choise

The rest of your build matter

If not then eurydice

[mint dirge]

what is the difference between boon level and rarity really

[tepid plover]

Rarity usually has better scaling

And you can only go uo tp heroic

[dark scroll]

And its like it's got a couple of poms to start ith.

with*

[flat vapor]

levels have diminishing returns, but are more plentiful

[tepid plover]

Poms has diminishing returns, but you can get as many as possible

[flat vapor]

rarity generally has static scaling, but ways to raise rarity beyond when you first get it are rare

[tepid plover]

^

[slow dew]

is cursed slash good?

[dark scroll]

It can be.

[tepid plover]

As long as you dodge the big attacks

[dark scroll]

I wouldn't take it with 4th aspect. ;p

[tepid plover]

Yes

[mint dirge]

cursed slash with zag aspect lvl 5

and a hermes boon

[tepid plover]

And yeha with Arthur is suffers a lot

[mint dirge]

or hammer upgrade

hypnos is best character cmm

[dark scroll]

That is the wrong answer to "Who's a good boy!".

[astral swift]

That is the right answer to "Who's best boy!"

[dark scroll]

Cast build facing final boss and only 3 casts. 😦

With double casts but still.

and +31% damage vs weak, and 20% DR <40%hp and 31% DR in fog and +50% cast damage but still!

[austere jacinth]

Zag is best. Hypnos is good too, but Zag ❤️

[runic agate]

Zag is the best character cuz this

https://tenor.com/view/hades-zagreus-gif-19103844

[brisk trail]

i feel like my bias is Very obvious here based on my avatar, but zag is best boy

[stone pebble]

zag forehead pog

[runic agate]

I'm straight and still think Zag is hot

[brisk trail]

im bi, i think everyone's hot

maybe not hades

i'd punch hades, actually

everyone else, sure

[gray rose]

the lesbian in me is instantly biased to meg

[brisk trail]

we all be hating hades in the server today, bless

[runic agate]

Nearly everyone in hades is hot and I freaking love it

[gray rose]

right!!! its like a feast

[brisk trail]

its SO good

its half the reason i bought the game sadly

[runic agate]

Can we just talk about Meg's voice acting tho.... it's like freaking ASMR

[gray rose]

i know i just got here but do you guys want to see the meg im working on bc 😌 ❤️ woman

[hexed smelt]

in #fan-works , sure ;P

[sick mortar]

Gotta say I'm suddenly morbidly curious what zag/narrator/others would say if you were to die in the very first room

[gray rose]

oo ty spar!

[brisk trail]

im Looking, mal

[sick mortar]

knowing supergiant they'd definitely have some snide remark prepared for that

[brisk trail]

lmao u want me to try rn?

[flat vapor]

try it

[runic agate]

@sick mortar I've done that on purpose

[flat vapor]

i've done it before 😛

[runic agate]

Just cuz I didnt like the rarity I got

[dark scroll]

There's comments for when you are low on health and even for turning on pact of punishment and then turning em off again.

[sick mortar]

spoiler me the aftermath pls

[dark scroll]

Some I didn't even get till after 100 runs.

[surreal phoenix]

Can someone explain why ares looks like that? His appearance confuses me

Did he get a whole body tan excluding the eyes part of his face

[brisk trail]

i think its warpaint

[runic agate]

Idfk

Likely for diversity to make the game better idfk

[astral swift]

Wotever it is I think it's bootiful

[brisk trail]

yeah, i think all the designs look pretty cool

[royal moss]

||He has a second phase||???

ah ffs

[stone pebble]

yes, yes he does

[brisk trail]

Ah, yes

[sage depot]

yup lol

[brisk trail]

have fun✨

[cosmic stone]

Haha you aren’t prepared for ||his 3rd phase||

[brisk trail]

LMAO

[surreal phoenix]

4 hours and 50 minutes after starting 46 heat hell mode run and I still havent reached the first boss

It will take a while

[rancid ember]

I feel like champions fight would still be tough if they each had 1/2 HP and 3/4 damage output...

Their HP is ridiculous

IMO the first phase of the fight (with Asterius and Theseus both on the field) is significantly harder than anything that came before, and there's still more fight after that lol

[surreal phoenix]

I just grind basically. Since I play with fresh file

Killing the first boss is equivalent to beating another game if you consider the way I play this game

[covert current]

will there be any other major updates in the future?

[runic agate]

does anyone truely know?

[covert current]

true

[dark scroll]

Maybe the top bobo(s) knows but they are on 'a break'.

Keep buying the game and shower them in €€€.

[bronze ravine]

iirc they said that the game is complete as it is, so I wouldn't expect anything outside patches or fixes

[slow dew]

@cosmic stone 3????

omg

[cosmic stone]

Yes

[slow dew]

this game takes and takes

[rancid ember]

And gives and gives

[bronze ravine]

Best boy and Bouldy are enough

[slow dew]

i regret starting hellmode

it was fine untill i got to ||hades||

i didnt clear it on normal mode

so now i have done all the sotry stuff in hellmode

i wish u could revert ur hellmode save to normal

[rancid ember]

Man I'm 70-something runs in and I can't even clear normal mode lol

I guess I'm not good at action games

Then again I'm not good at the turn-based roguelikes either...

[slow dew]

well i played a bunch in the beta

so i probably done like more than 100 runs

and still cant get to end

[rancid ember]

The only "hard" games I've ever been any good at were the Touhou games. I beat Perfect Cherry Blossom on Lunatic. Which believe me, is hard as hell and required tons of practice XD Even though it was the easiest of all those games.

[winter harbor]

My only really bullet hell-y game before this was Undertale

[slow dew]

i looked at that fight

nice

[brisk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/greg-guillotin-delinquant-gif-18362959

[slow dew]

idk if you can call league of legends similar but i play that

@brisk trail why D:

[brisk trail]

not you

[manic bobcat]

Maybe you should try making a practice save @slow dew?

So you don't have to grind back to the final boss everytime.

[slow dew]

what is a practice save?

[mint dirge]

wait what is hell mode

[manic bobcat]

I'll dm you the details, for spoiler sake.

[slow dew]

hellmode u have 5 skulls from the banner from begnning

ok @manic bobcat

[quasi olive]

You'll do fine honestly, don't worry it will come. Starting in Hell mode is actually a good way to take good habits from the start, so even if you're struggling right now, you'll end up dying less frequently in the long run! : )

[last vessel]

what do you do wiht the keys after you've unlocked all weapons???

just bought 2 more keys with the renovating thingys hoping there would be more weapons but was disappointed

[quiet gull]

You trade them at the broker's

[last vessel]

oh just that?

nice

[quiet gull]

There are a few cosmetics that cost large amounts of keys too

[last vessel]

like what

[quiet gull]

But you want to keep at least 15 of them on hand in case you get the one time deal to trade for TB

[last vessel]

what is TB?

[quiet gull]

Titan's Blood

[last vessel]

aaa

[quiet gull]

Did you unlock all of the mirror too?

[last vessel]

thats for upgrading the weaposns

nope not yet

still have to unlock all of death defied

[quiet gull]

But you can still unlock the rest of it with keys

You dont actually need to spend darkness to unlock the rest of the perks

[last vessel]

and what happens with nectar

[winter harbor]

You give it

People give you gifts, their keepsakes

[quiet gull]

All meta-currencies eventually become "useless", but the amount needed to get to that point is a loooot. So dont worry about it

[royal moss]

oh about that

[last vessel]

who should i give my nectar to lmao?

[quiet gull]

Everyone

[royal moss]

is ambriosa just for trading?

[quiet gull]

Ambrosia is what replaces Nectar after a certain point in the bond

[sage depot]

really short-hand version is give one nectar to every god/character you interact with to unlock their keepsakes.

[royal moss]

i see

[bronze ravine]

btw, 100h in and still have a lot of uses for meta-currencies, just saying

[sage depot]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Nectar <-- Nectar reference.

[bronze ravine]

and yeah, first thing to do with nectar is give 1 to everyone except hades to get their keepsake

[sage depot]

Ambrosia becomes a thing later on when you have a higher affinity with the characters

[sturdy schooner]

Does anyone know if cross saves are up and working between Switch and Steam yet*

I read that it was going to be implemented shortly after the launch in September.

[sage depot]

I do not believe it's been implemented yet.

I have it on both Steam and Switch (although I haven't played it on Switch in a week or so), but I don't believe it's been implemented in that time.

[quiet gull]

They're still working on it, they dont have a date for it

[rancid ember]

Is Flurry Fire any good with Zeus' attack boon? I feel like I might have been better off going with Triple Bomb...

lol at least Dionysus feels bad about murdering me (though it was really the freaking greatshields)

[jovial fern]

Expanding a little on cross save answers. If you look at their Twitter replies, there are a bunch of responses that basically boil down to something like they're working on it but have no current ETA because Nintendo patch releases have more hoops they have to jump through.

[sturdy schooner]

Yeah, I would have bought it right now on Switch if it was live. I'll wait until it is 🙂

https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1317175543796617218

Supergiant Games 🔥 HADES v1.0 is Out!! (@SupergiantGames)

@ExergyGaming @Palmerins Cross-saves are coming later this month. We will post more news when we have it. We can confirm the feature will let you transfer your save data to and from Nintendo Switch (so you can bring your Switch progress back to PC).

Twitter · Oct 16, 2020, 6:48 PM

This was the tweet that got me to ask that question

Ah, I didn't read the replies - there was one 4h ago that says what the status is.

[sage depot]

This is purely my own conjecture, but I'd imagine it's a bigger technical challenge (in some way) than they were expecting? Probably something with Nintendo since they have less experience with that platform.

[shell swift]

meeting certification is probably a challenge, yeah.

[sage depot]

For sure. I imagine COVID added some time increase on delivery, but based on the little exposure given during the Noclip documentary, they seem to be doing pretty well fully-remote. I'm sure being a small, tighter-knit team helps that significantly.

[quiet gull]

SSG is a relatively small studio, and this is I believe the first time they release something on a Nintendo platform

[broken marsh]

whens the next big update?

for pc

[dark scroll]

Could be next month.

Could be never.

[broken marsh]

wuit

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

y

[dark scroll]

They are taking a break now, then we may know more.

[quartz lily]

game is complete, is it not? Makes sense that there possibly won't be any more big content updates then

give em a break

[dark scroll]

!@!#$$$%%^^%^ I forgot i had that 1 thing on final fight.

[frosty talon]

I love hades and all the weapons but couldnt be good with the sword at gunpoint

[winter harbor]

I’m terrible with the bow otoh

[frosty talon]

have you tried chiron? 👀

[rancid ember]

Augh I just found out that the fish you catch depends partly on how fast you press the button when it flashes >.< I'm not very fast reaction time on it because I'm trying to compensate for the tendency to react at the first bob

also, terrible idea now: "Speedrun" for 100% codex completion. HAVE FUN WITH THE FISH

[winter harbor]

Yeah, I’ve actually made it pretty far with Chiron

[rancid ember]

I'm bad with the gun, mostly

Though really I'm bad with all of them because I'm bad at the game lol

It's taking me far, far too long to win a run or even be able to get through Elysium half the time

[winter harbor]

If there’s three false bobs you know the next one has to be a fish

[rancid ember]

That's good to know. The bobs aren't evenly timed though, are they?

[winter harbor]

I don’t know about that

Patroclus can be such a run saving meeting

[quiet gull]

Someone told me that the time between a bob and a true bite is always the same

so if it takes too long it will be another fakeout

Seems to hold true so far

[rancid ember]

Seems difficult to get used to, but maybe I eventually will!

ugh. Trials, man. They're not anything like "normal fights + god wrath", some of these are just brutal independently of the wrath. Dio's wrath isn't even that bad but man that fight was horrific. I lost two DDs...

[tepid plover]

Why hating on papa

[rancid ember]

I'd rather have fought an extra hydra lol

[tepid plover]

Dio is probabky one of the easiest lol

Pos and aphro are something else

[rancid ember]

The monsters though

it was like playing Touhou except your hitbox is 20 pixels wide

Those freaking spreaders

[tepid plover]

You mean splitters?

[rancid ember]

I think it was worse than the witches lol

Splitters are Elysium

spreaders are Asphodel

[tepid plover]

Yes

Ah yeah the witches lol

[broken marsh]

huh

what r yuh talking about

[rancid ember]

Hades. We're talking about Hades, the game

[broken marsh]

yes

indeed

[tepid plover]

[winter harbor]

Yeah, fear is a stronger motivator than love in the trials

Artemis, you’re just easier to dodge compared to Aphrodite

[broken marsh]

is doom the nest debuff?

best

[kind bobcat]

aphrodite can be RIP if there are strong enemies

[winter harbor]

Any debuff that lets me get privileged status is great

[broken marsh]

huh

what

[austere jacinth]

I always side with Aphro.

[kind bobcat]

i dont like doom

[winter harbor]

That’s why I love Poseidon + Zeus combo so much

[kind bobcat]

it doesn't stack

[broken marsh]

well doom caried me to hades 4th run

[faint flume]

yknow, barge of death is annoying because it's long

[kind bobcat]

i've tried to get it to work but the fact that it doesn't stack and doesn't give % damage is a major downer for me

[broken marsh]

@kind bobcat there is a thing that makes it stack actually

[faint flume]

but the witches are so annoying without athena

[rancid ember]

Doom is good if you use it on something you can hit infrequently with

[kind bobcat]

yaaa, who's it's partner? i never get it

its*

to make it stack

[winter harbor]

I actually welcome the barge of death, means I don’t have to worry about lava for once

[rancid ember]

The barge of death isn't bad

[kind bobcat]

ya the barge of death is so easy at my heat level

[broken marsh]

yah the barge is epic

i take so much freaking damage from lava

[kind bobcat]

you just have to kill the blue shield crystals first

you always have to kill the blue shield crystals first lol

[rancid ember]

But yeah I like Doom because with the right setup you can hit once with a very slow or very weak special, then go back to brutalizing enemies with attacks for a little bit and get an almost free 300+ damage if you have the right boons

[tepid plover]

Thats the problem with the crystal mini boss

It has a lot of hp lmfao

[rancid ember]

Actually even the fast specials are good with it if you have the stacking

[kind bobcat]

hmm interesting, so if it's on a special that doesn't hit frequently it's good

oh i see

what's the partner to get it to stack again?

dio?

[rancid ember]

I don't think the stacking thing is a duo

[kind bobcat]

whaat

[faint flume]

barge of death is annoying when you have timer on

[kind bobcat]

ya you need ares

ares makes it stack

[faint flume]

although tbf I only have 1 heat's worth of timer so eh

[rancid ember]

It's a purely Ares thing. Dire Misfortune, requires Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain

[kind bobcat]

oh what

haha gotcha, my mistake

Jrocket, the timer is deceptive

cause you dont need much time at all for styx

at least i find

like if you can just get the timer enough to get you through to styx, you're all gravy

[rancid ember]

How much time you need for styx presumably varies depending on how soon you can find the food lol

[kind bobcat]

true, those rooms are so fast though although the last one is usually crazy

[faint flume]

idk, it's never been bad per se just means I ned to make up the time deficit in the next couple rooms

gorgon head and cyclops skull is the best one for time/damage