Ok
#h1-discussion
steep wasp
||I hate alecto||
||stupid saws||
Also, I just beat ||extremer measures hades||
Took all my lives
And I had to use the shield charge shot
But still
It's a win
stone pebble
Shes easily the hardest fury sister imo
steep wasp
I hate the saws
agile cargo
a few would get this reference but ||is alecto pale kings daughter or sth lmao||
winter pike
I love when I get || tis || LMAO
a few would get this reference but ||is alecto pale kings daughter or sth lmao||
@agile cargo yes :)
stone pebble
||Speech lessons with tis :D||
winter pike
|| when tis finally says zags name 
||
stone pebble
It's beautiful, it really is
agile cargo
||i already spoiled myself on tis’ speech lesson before|| but im still looking forward to that dialogue
winter pike
I love it
quaint hatch
I also love the asterius and theseus ||friendship betrayal|| dialogue
quaint hatch
Ayo
quaint hatch
Ah oh
Big spoils
winter pike
:)
winter pike
I just finished that dialogue recently
stone pebble
ohooh
winter pike
I think it is
stone pebble
I will do that one
quaint hatch
Honestly I think it's easier than the regular fight
winter pike
Cause I didn't get it until after I used || EM3 ||
quaint hatch
If you get used to asterius
winter pike
Same
quaint hatch
Funny enough he's the threat now
stone pebble
Do they still use the ||Bullhorn!|| technique
winter pike
Tbh I almost find asterius MORE annoying in the regular fight
quaint hatch
Wtf
stone pebble
Tbh I still can't believe that I got ||jebaited by skelly||
quaint hatch
I still get tripped up by the new ||shockwave||
winter pike
@stone pebble yea, but after the || friendship || dialogue they gain the power of friendship
SAME
Lol Skelly always Jebaits
quaint hatch
Cause I okay everything melee and super greedy
That's the only thing of the new one I dislike
winter pike
There will be more dialogue later regarding Skellys jebait
Yea I'm super impatient lol
quaint hatch
I'd be content if they just like add some extra unlockable fluff
stone pebble
Skellys the one for me
winter pike
That's so difficult lol
quaint hatch
Do you even have to ask me?
stone pebble
Ah
winter pike
HAHAH
stone pebble
That was a good one
quaint hatch
I fell insulted
stone pebble
. . .
winter pike
probably Than 💗 cause he's my boyfriend 😳
stone pebble
spoilers maybe?
quaint hatch
No
quaint hatch
Yep
stone pebble
outside game
quaint hatch
I mean if I have to choose someone artemis hands down
stone pebble
Artemis
winter pike
Artemis is p great
quaint hatch
F
winter pike
quaint hatch
Friendzoned
winter pike
LOL nah he has Pat
winter pike
Ye :D
stone pebble
Zeus said ||You should get married to Artemis homie||
winter pike
I would never encroach on that relationship
quaint hatch
I'm still confused if ||dusa|| is just pulling the "haha yeah I'm so happy for you"
Waits for an open window
stone pebble
In one of their duo boon interaction
quaint hatch
Prime example of power corrupts
brisk trail
Hera is also a crappy being though
winter pike
Tru
brisk trail
she threw her baby off a mountain because it was ugly
winter pike
LMAO
stone pebble
Sisyphus am I right?
winter pike
:3
quaint hatch
Bruh you can't resist the tags
stone pebble
yes
quaint hatch
Huh?
I might as well tell you: after the story, when zagreus talks to the gods, well they find out and then they ||
...|| Him
quaint hatch
I know you want to
quaint hatch
Just lift the tag
quaint hatch
Syke
stone pebble
I no longer believe in bouldy
brisk trail
rolling is a fake bouldy fan anyway
stone pebble
"You believe in bouldy, bouldy believes in you"
brisk trail
poser stan
quaint hatch
Bruh stop bullying me
brisk trail
the truth will set you free.
stone pebble
I love it when the narrator says ||Zagreus trips on a brightly colored, exotic fruit||
A classic
quaint hatch
Happens to everyone
stone pebble
does he say one where "Bouldy falls from the heavens, crushing Zagreus"
quaint hatch
We're not playing among us here
cosmic stone
You guys know how you can master the musical instrument in Zag’s bedroom. Can you ever lift the weights?
quaint hatch
Play it ||201|| times and talk to orphy bout it a bunch
Just do it a couple times between runs
calm flicker
hello people
quaint hatch
You can't
true notch
no zagreus is canon noodle arms
cosmic stone
Oh
winter pike
But he's himbooooo
cosmic stone
BRUH HOW CAN HE CARRY A GIANT SWORD IN THE HIDDEN ASPEXT
tawdry geyser
true notch
magic
quaint hatch
^
winter pike
The sword is inflicted with weak
cosmic stone
Sisyphus should’ve rubbed the nectar he got into Bouldy to make it easier to roll him up
calm flicker
Can i ask yall something
so like
do you need to have all the other aspects unlocked in order to get the gun aspect
cosmic stone
Sure
quaint hatch
What
winter pike
Dont think so
quaint hatch
You mean weapons?
quaint hatch
Yes
calm flicker
every weapon has like those locked aspects
winter pike
Oh
calm flicker
right
bronze ravine
I'm assuming you want to unlock the hidden aspect for the rail?
calm flicker
yes
quaint hatch
There's pinned comment in #h1-story-discussion
calm flicker
do i really need to go through the spear, shield, fists, bow and sword first
in order to get the rail
bronze ravine
no
quaint hatch
Read that
quaint hatch
Shhhh
winter pike
Yeah I thought I got fists and shield last
quaint hatch
Tag
cosmic stone
Ok
bronze ravine
you don't need to buy it, just to see it
quaint hatch
The pinned comment goes over everything
winter pike
spoiler tag
bronze ravine
@quaint hatch there is a little mistake in the pin, in that you ||don't need to unlock guan yu, just reveal the name||
bronze ravine
can confirm from experience
winter pike
Yeah but they're saying that the pin is a mistake cause I don't have to
quasi olive
Will there be a way to watch the BAFTA awards posted in announcements later tomorrow? It will be a bit tough to attend from a French perspective...
bronze ravine
I unlocked ||hidden spear|| a while after clearing with hidden sword
bronze ravine
bad wording then, the game use a lock picture when an aspect is revealed but not bought yet
so unlocking would more logically mean 'buying the aspect'
quaint hatch
I'd say it's less bad wording and more a different understand on both our ends
Or rather different
spare ridge
it should be illegal to allow flame wheels to spawn in erebus gates
i didn’t get hit but still
full pendant
What’s the green symbol in dark foresight
spare ridge
it means that you can only upgrade it once (if it is what i think it is)
full pendant
dark foresight is a mirror talent idk what you mean by that
unkempt sleet
Increases the chances for golden laurel rewards
spare ridge
like there’s a couple things in the mirror you can only upgrade once, so it gets a little green symbol
or not
ooooooooo i get it now
quiet gull
Oh, that green symbol means "god boon"
spare ridge
forget everything i said
full pendant
Thank you queen
spare ridge
yea bc when you go and buy a random boon off of charon the same icon appears
full pendant
I swear my RNG was so good two days now all my god boons are Poseidon
spare ridge
i completely forgot it existed
hard pier
I took ||EM1|| for my ||3rd heat||. Sadly I already know what it does, but I'll see if this was a mistake either way
spare ridge
yea bc when you go and buy a random boon off of charon the same icon appears
speaking of which i just ran into one
||EM1|| is the second easiest, i like it way more than vanilla
hard pier
I was tempted to take the 2nd level of ||The timer|| but that would have put me in ||too high a heat||
stone pebble
Why does Poiseiden keep calling Hadesm crusty
spare ridge
2nd level really ramps it up imo in comparison to the 1st level
stone pebble
:(
quiet gull
Starting out I defnitely recommend EM1 and 2 above other heat
spare ridge
bc he is
quiet gull
Since the difficulty spike is localized entirely in boss fights
Other pacts make the entire game harder instead
spare ridge
yup
quiet gull
Also, going over the "recommended" level doesnt penalize you, dont worry
hard pier
Fair
I know, but I don't want to make it unnecessarily hard on myself
I also still have the spear, rail and fists to get up to ||two heat||, which will take some time, as I just can't really get used to those
quiet gull
Not all heat levels are the same, you'll soon find. Dont worry too much about what is "too hard", and instead try to find what you find more engaging
spare ridge
also what happens when you ||run out of time? does it just end the run or is it something more interesting?||
hard pier
No idea, never did
vale kite
||you lose hp every second until you die||
brisk trail
5hp loss per second
spare ridge
oh that’s lovely
cosmic stone
Oh lol I never experienced that bc I play on 9 mins like a wimp
spare ridge
you get cursed sword with level 5 zag aspect and you never die
cosmic stone
Though I can beat the first area in 3 minutes I’m scared okay :(
quaint hatch
also what happens when you ||run out of time? does it just end the run or is it something more interesting?||
@spare ridge ded
vale kite
the hp loss is too big to be countered with cursed sword and the like
hard pier
There are two kinds of weapons for me. Those that I love, and those I just can't get a real grip on
I love the Sword, Bow and Shield
I just can't play the Spear, Rail and Fists correctly. Perhaps I should watch some videos
spare ridge
the hp loss is too big to be countered with cursed sword and the like
@vale kite if it’s 5 every second and you get cursed sword with the zag aspect maxed out it sounds doable
but idk until i try
vale kite
what happens if your enemies die
quiet gull
@vale kite if it’s 5 every second and you get cursed sword with the zag aspect maxed out it sounds doable
@spare ridge No, it's five HP per second
Not one HP every five seconds
spare ridge
exactly
hard pier
I think you underestimate what 5 damage per second really means boyo xD
spare ridge
5 every 1 second
vale kite
you already have extremely low hp from cursed sword's hp reduction
hard pier
You have a few seconds to live
vale kite
provided you have enemies to hit
spare ridge
yes
vale kite
so if you dont you die 🤷
spare ridge
you also run into a decent amount of healing throughout the run but that’s beside the point
vale kite
yeah but your hp is already very low so
hollow gyro
Is it just me or Strong Drink not giving more % bonus damage per higher rarity doesn't make much sense?
spare ridge
yea
hollow gyro
It really doesn't. I have it on heroic due to rare crop and it still only gives 3% per fountain.
vale kite
huh does it
hollow gyro
Is it allowed to post screenshots here? If so, I can show show it.
vale kite
common should be 3%, all the way up to heroic which should be 6%
hollow gyro
So I thought, achilles, but even on the wiki it says that it doesn't scale with rarity.
spare ridge
but it does tho
vale kite
hang on let me check something
spare ridge
i get it on epic rarity a lot of the time and it works fine
vale kite
it could be that because you may have used a fountain before rare crop upgraded the boon it didint update
or maybe it would give the updated bonus on the next fountain?? idk
inland gust
So is Zagreus wearing pants? I just wanted to make sure for historic comparison
cosmic stone
Huh
spare ridge
i’d say it’s more like shorts
cosmic stone
Tbh I believe gods don’t care about pants
Let’s be honest Aphro isn’t even wearing any clothing
So what’s to say the male gods care about wearing pants?
hard pier
Aprho be the goddess of thots
Also the portrait art of Dionysus looks kinda like a statue of him I've seen once
Which is kinda cool
hollow gyro
it could be that because you may have used a fountain before rare crop upgraded the boon it didint update
@vale kite It was that. I thought the percentage bonus would get reaccounted after it got to a higher rarity, but it didn't. I just got +6% after Styx's fountain.
spare ridge
truly a shame to the clan
hard pier
Any percentage higher than that would break the game if gotten early on
Take the 4-5% and be happy, the reason to take it is usually the full heal
spare ridge
yeah you get like what, 4 guaranteed fountains
not counting others you can find at random
inland gust
I just wanted to know since I know ancient Greeks didn’t wear pants because of the Persians among other things
spare ridge
togas
inland gust
And Zagreus has what seemed like leggings on. So was just curious thanks
fierce belfry
warped atlas
Is aspect of eris actually the best for exagryph?
mild bison
depends on what you mean by best. it's certainly the most consistent.
warped atlas
Alright, I dont have a lot of titans blood so idk if I should actually get it
mild bison
maxed out it's 75% bonus damage. which is a ton.
it's a little tricky to get used to because you want to be in the damage radius of your special without getting hit by enemies. but once you get it down it's high damage output from the start.
warped atlas
Okay cool
worn dome
Hi there! I've played Hades for a big while and get to the 3rd ending. However, I cannot get the last bond with Hypnos.
carmine ravine
hypnos favor is just big rng
do u mean casts?@brisk trail
rail attack just use zeus
worn dome
So...Just to be sure, I don't need to go die every possible ways, right?
carmine ravine
do u mean aspect of hestia
worn dome
I think you meant the bow?
carmine ravine
no, hes talking about rail
carmine ravine
yes, so its still one shot and the infinite ammo just disables that
worn dome
By the way, is the "Hypnos almost loses his job" series of events related to his bond somehow?
carmine ravine
than complains on hypnos sleeping on the job yes
resolve it and his favor is done
worn dome
Okay, good to know, because I'm at the point where he talks with Hades
He's my last bond
carmine ravine
ya, hypnos my last bond too
worn dome
Anyway, any tips on the "Purge the legendary boon" achievement?
pearl sparrow
Do I have to do something in particular to get ||flurry cast from Hermes||?
carmine ravine
wdym tips? just use rarity increase buff and fullfill the prerequisites
worn dome
Like...which legendary is relatively easy to get and purge?
carmine ravine
u dont need anything, just use persuasion to reroll@pearl sparrow
pearl sparrow
140 runs and I still have to get it
worn dome
By the way, I do feels like...the game kinda respond to your playstyle a bit.
If you use cast very often during the run, you'll be more likely to find it
carmine ravine
thats placebo and confirmation bias, it's all rng
worn dome
I see
rose nexus
Guys, question please "Attack deals damage in an area and briefly slows foes" + Zeus on attack.
Let's say there are 3 foes in area, how will the lightning bolt work, it starts on all 3 of them and jumps between them? So essentially triple bolt effect?
@brisk trail wats the boons name ?
carmine ravine
never tried that so idk
worn dome
Probably?
carmine ravine
its a hammer
worn dome
The hammer upgrade
rose nexus
bc theres a description that says specifically that the bolt travels between foes
@rose nexus Explosive Fire
@brisk trail that sounds like a rail upgrade, is it ?
carmine ravine
how did u dont know this
worn dome
Explosive fire + Zeus attack boon...hmm....
rose nexus
IM NEW dont bully me ;(
carmine ravine
anyways i never tried it so i think it will probably works, try asking in #h1-builds-and-combat
carmine ravine
it doesn't matter anyways, zeus is good on rail atk either ways
worn dome
Other than Zeus, which boon are good on rail attack?
carmine ravine
no, doom with stacking is better
support fire can apply anywhere
its a t2 ares boon iirc, play more
worn dome
Doom is best on Shield's special, imo
carmine ravine
if u mean chaos and zeus aspect sure i guess
worn dome
Pair with "special bounce to 4 enemies" upgrade is nice too
stone pebble
||WHY THE HELL DOES THESEUS HAVE GUNS||
worn dome
||WHY THE HELL DOES THESEUS HAVE GUNS||
@stone pebble Well, Zagreus have a freaking rail...
stone pebble
HE HAS ||2|| THO
carmine ravine
EM3 is easier than normal imo
worn dome
EM3 is easier than normal imo
@carmine ravine Agreed
I can just focus down Asterius and ignores Theseus for a while
Just let him run around the outer circle.
carmine ravine
his moveset isnt that hard to avoid i guess
worn dome
Better than having him aim his spear at you and occasionally swipe
While you're trying to run away from Asterius's charge
topaz epoch
So...am I the only one confused by how Orpheus's gender is referenced?
cosmic stone
EM3 difficulty is based on how fast you kill the Bull
cosmic stone
If you kill the Bull quickly Theseus won’t do dumb attacks with his Chariot that make him super strong
stone pebble
I went to him with only 100 health
maybe I shouldve gotten more of that
he took 2 of my dd
cosmic stone
Use ||skelly companion|| against Hydra ||use him in the corner on 6 head phase||
stone pebble
yeah thats what i did
worn dome
...Now I wonder which dumb attack are you referring to
worn dome
Which boon are you using for fist's attack?
worn dome
Zeus huh...I think you should try Demeter
Applying slow on enemies is always good.
They attack slower, easier to dodge and you can just sits there and whack them
tepid hemlock
carmine ravine
yes, with aphro legend boon, any multihit atk with weak xan make enemies atk 50% of the time
worn dome
I'm really bad with spear, any recommend build?
cosmic stone
Which aspect?
worn dome
In general, I tried both Hades and Achilies but still fails a lot
(comparing to other weapons)
cosmic stone
Zagreus: Aphrodite special and all buffs into special charge up special hammer too
Hades: Quick spin hammers and you can pretty much do a lot with it I would not recommend a spin build as it does not power it up much. I recommend Artemis
Achilles: Zeus cast build to use after dashing to your spear for the 150% more global damage +2 cast from mirror/ Dio cast build with regen cast from mirror
carmine ravine
spear: just use hidden spear and prerend its okay bcoz pros says its stronk and just dont get hit :)
cosmic stone
With hidden spear I’d recommend a similar special set to as the zagreus
Except it’s probably stronger than zag but
marble umbra
I just got hidden spear (don't know how lol), and man, it's hard. I just made it to final boss (and lost there), but it certainly required my whole concentration and 4 dds lol
limber bane
Please bring Hades to Xbox. I want to play it on the Series X in 4k/120Hz so badly 
carmine ravine
u still newd to max it with blood to reduce the penalty in the first place@marble umbra
marble umbra
I think it starts at 70% right? I saw the next upgrade was 65%. Is the max 50%?
I'll be trading some ambrosia to max it out for sure
But I was sweating bullets for the whole run, that's for sure lol
stone pebble
Theseus' cheeky laugh gets me every time
carmine ravine
aww u liked him now?
stone pebble
yeah
carmine ravine
what a heresy
stone pebble
it wasnt so bad
because
||Priviledged|| + ||Cluster Bomb|| + ||Rocket Bombs|| = OP
carmine ravine
you tried ⭐
stone pebble
ITS SO GOOD THO
carmine ravine
it is good, its a rocket shotgun
carmine ravine
idk y u spoiler tag them but yeah
worn dome
How to do the spoiler tag tho
robust scaffold
||spoiler||
carmine ravine
||like this||
stone pebble
You know whats cool about the final boss fight?
||It adds several of the other bosses attacks, so you can get familiar before it||
carmine ravine
is a spoiler, tag final boss name@stone pebble
void walrus
Anybody have a god or two that just refuse to give you certain boons?
hollow storm
Please all report @frosty mirage
flat vapor
@minor pecan spammer
minor pecan
👀
brisk trail
Does anyone know - or is there anywhere I can find - instructions for reaching the epilogue?
I'm finding different sources saying completely different things
fringe garnet
I have finished my journal entries for Mati and Projelly, still have not even seen the third chaos fish. basically always perfect catch.
do i need to do an imperfect catch or something?
c'mon...
woeful viper
I’m sure this has been said a million times before but there desperately needs to be a way to reset the seed w/o dying
stone gulch
the devs dont want you to just keep restarting
woeful viper
the devs dont want you to just keep restarting
@stone gulch so they prefer us to sit in room 1 afk until we die? Ok
tribal glade
or just complete the run?
woeful viper
Or not
tribal glade
why wouldnt you? how bad are your options in the first room that you cant complete the run based on them?
woeful viper
Nobody wants to struggle for 15+ minutes on a garbo run to move on. They’ll just die and take the next seed
It doesn’t matter why I make that decision though. It makes no sense to restrict it
There is no downside
marble umbra
I mean, that's the thing about rogue like games, you don't have the same objects or things in every run
woeful viper
Okay? I’m not confused about what a rogue like is
And every other roguelike allows you to just reset
tribal glade
im not sure why giving up keeps the same seed
karmic obsidian
even a bad run allows you to speak to the NPC and give gifts to them
even a bad run has its purposes
woeful viper
I’m way beyond that
tribal glade
maybe there should be a checkbox or something that either keeps the seed when you give up or randomised after giving up
karmic obsidian
is your having a bad run just focus on getting items instead
woeful viper
I have no reason to keep bad runs now
woeful viper
Great contribution. My point is that’s not good design
karmic obsidian
true ending done. just gotta unlock everything else
i get it and i agree
i wondered the same thing the first time i wanted to skip a run and speak to the NPC's
but i also would get this is why they dont allow you to skip
otherwise you could just farm the convos for the codex right?
stone pebble
||DAMN BEETLES||
alpine fulcrum
i guess chaos aspect shield with zeus special might be good dps, but if i manage to get the charge shot and the power charge hammers its like 50x easier to just do that
woeful viper
I don’t need convos for codex either
karmic obsidian
i just meant early game you could
woeful viper
You can farm codex convos by dying anyway
karmic obsidian
i think after you get the true ending you should be able to end your run
without just having to let yourself die
sacrifice to the gods!
floral geyser
Is the sword dash strike considered a thrust?
woeful viper
Thrust is the third hit in the combo
rancid ember
I just beat ||Alecto|| first try. She seemed easier than ||Meg||
(are the boss names considered spoilers?)
fringe garnet
every. single. time. i pick the conch shell as my starting keepsake, i only ever find the ONE poseidon throughout my entire run throughs. ugggggh.
rancid ember
I was actually kind of under the impression that the items increased the odds of encountering more of that god's boons
fringe garnet
Nope - just once. Then increased rarity, nothing else
mystic nexus
Question:
Once I've maxed out my relationships and gotten all the upgrades I want, is there any good reason not to convert some of my Diamonds and Ambrosia into Blood?
karmic obsidian
nope
fringe garnet
Well... unless you want to buy more songs from Orpheus!
karmic obsidian
i would consider that an upgrade he wanted....
karmic obsidian
youve upgraded your companions all the way?
how many completions do you have lol
mystic nexus
Hol' on
karmic obsidian
i just got to 10 lol working on 11
warped atlas
i asked this earlier, but should i get aspect of Eris for Exagryph? i kinda like the idea of aspect of Zagreus, im not sure though
tiny grove
buying music is the best use of diamonds i could ever imagine
karmic obsidian
the secret one is my favorite by far
tiny grove
my gf is gonna resent me for that
mystic nexus
211 escape attempts, I can tell you that
karmic obsidian
daaamn
mystic nexus
I don't know if it says my total number of wins anywhere
upbeat burrow
Eris is amazing, with zeus on attack you clear rooms super quick
karmic obsidian
i have 68 so far lol
mystic nexus
Ahh
tiny grove
obviously that is save specific
mystic nexus
well I can tell you that I have A Good number
I've gotten up to 10 bounties with each of my favorite weapons
karmic obsidian
i upgraded the first companion i got not realizing it got progressively more expensive each upgrade lol spend all my ambrosia at once
warped atlas
@upbeat burrow yeah i like the zeus attack as well but i thought that the extra ammo would be nice for that. should i just get eris now and maybe the other later?
mystic nexus
but I want to try experimenting with higher heat and I'm getting kind of bored grinding titan blood
karmic obsidian
whats your favorite weapon?
i just got the secret aspect for exagryph and it may be my favorite
upbeat burrow
@upbeat burrow yeah i like the zeus attack as well but i thought that the extra ammo would be nice for that. should i just get eris now and maybe the other later?
@warped atlas I find that the weapons and aspects heavily depend on each one's preferences and play style, so it's really up to you. that said, I invested in eris first, and I don't regret it a bit.
mystic nexus
Coronacht, with Malphon being a close second
karmic obsidian
which coronacht aspect do you use most?
karmic obsidian
is that the 2nd one?
karmic obsidian
sure lol
mystic nexus
I like to mix things up a good bit but there's a certain build that works for me a lot more often than it doesn't
warped atlas
im not sure, i like most of them as much as the others. maybe exagryph, aegis, or malphon?
karmic obsidian
aegis was my favorite for the longest time
upbeat burrow
my favorite bow builds are hera with dionysus cast, and rama with zeus special
warped atlas
its pretty op honestly, but im not complaining
what is the secret aspect for exagryph?
rancid ember
Yay I beat Asphodel after encountering its boss for the first time
warped atlas
nice job, hydra was pretty hard for me early on
pliant sparrow
hahaha hidden aspect of stygius doing 5k damage with heartrend crit build
feel so powerful while using it
tidal kiln
This is probably unlikely, but does anyone here know of/have any Hades bass tabs?
The basslines in all the overworld music are all sick riffs
mystic nexus
@warped atlas ||Zeus gives it to you.||
warped atlas
would it be a waste to fully upgrade an aspect of a weapon? i dont have a whole lot of titans blood right now. also im not sure exactly how to get a higher max limit for my heat gauge, do i have to beat the game more?
@split rain sorry idk honestly
robust scaffold
u either beat it with different weapons or higher heats
and for ur weapon it depends which aspect ur using i think
paper coral
It depends on the weapon aspect
Some weapons really need to be upgraded all the way
Others do really well with minimal investment
warped atlas
hmm okay, im using the aspect of eris and its the first time ive spent any titans blood, i can refund the blood by resetting if its stupid but i purchased it fully
paper coral
Eris is easy to test out on skelly
warped atlas
yeah i did that too, is there a different aspect i should get instead for exagryph?
paper coral
That's really up to you
warped atlas
alright, at any point does it get really hard to get more titans blood?
paper coral
I mean the easiest way is to complete more runs
The only way things gets more difficult is if you make things more difficult for yourself
quiet gull
You can always do a zero heat run to try to score the styx TB
paper coral
Or the diamond
quiet gull
Yeah but diamonds are next to worthless compared to TB 🤷♂️
paper coral
I mean you can turn them into titan's blood through the broker
quiet gull
Sure, I guess being worth 0.5 TB counts for something
It's two Diamonds per Ambrosia, right?
warped atlas
alright, so do i unlock a higher max heat limit when i defeat the game with a new weapon?
i think thats right about the diamonds
paper coral
I mean there are always the fish
quiet gull
alright, so do i unlock a higher max heat limit when i defeat the game with a new weapon?
@warped atlas Huh? Are you on Hell Mode?
There is no "max heat limit"
rose nexus
Shine bright like a diamond
paper coral
I mean eventually you run out of heat boosting stuff
quiet gull
You run out of bounties loooong before heat
warped atlas
um, i don't think so. i just mean the gauge is full and doesn't increase the level at all, no matter what challenges i add, does that make sense?
paper coral
And there is a cap
quiet gull
The cap is the literal max, ie: turning everything on
Bounties are only ||awarded up to 20 heat though||
paper coral
On non hell mode
quiet gull
um, i don't think so. i just mean the gauge is full and doesn't increase the level at all, no matter what challenges i add, does that make sense?
@warped atlas That means that you still have lower heat rewards
paper coral
I mean you could boost heat up higher and collect the early titan bloods
quiet gull
If you run 5 heat but have only cleared heat 2, you'll get rewards for heat 3, then 4, then 5 if you beat heat 5 three times
Did that make sense?
I mean you could boost heat up higher and collect the early titan bloods
@paper coral Nope! Heat levels only count if you complete the game
paper coral
You just get the reward of heat 5
warped atlas
idk what hell mode is. do i have to claim all lower heat rewards before unlocking the next level?
quiet gull
So you cant just beat furies at all levels of heat for easy TB
warped atlas
i think that makes sense
quiet gull
There is no downside to increasing heat past your current bounty level
paper coral
I mean there is a downside
warped atlas
yeah but the heat level wont increase past 1 for me, ive only cleared the first two regions with heat level 1 though, is that the problem?
warped atlas
i have not, will i unlock the next heat level after that or styx?
quiet gull
Yes Nox, you have to beat the game at Heat 1 before you get rewards for higher heat
paper coral
Unless you start on hell mode
quiet gull
So if you havent done that, it doesnt matter how high you go, you're still fighting for your level 1 rewards
warped atlas
okay, sorry if ive been asking dumb questions but thank you both for clearing it up for me
paper coral
It's cool
quiet gull
for your first few heat, I highly recommend Extreme Measures 1 and 2, since they only slightly increase the difficulty, and localize it entirely in the boss fights.
Other pact options make the game more difficult beginning to end, in various ways
paper coral
EM provides a decent amount of heat
Don't worry about heat levels till you beat the game
warped atlas
okay ill check out those in a bit, recently ive been using the one that increases the amount of enemies in regular encounters
robust scaffold
its better to not use that since more enemies means more time spent killing them
so ur run will take more time
warped atlas
thats true
paper coral
Just stick to plain run if you haven't beaten the game yet
warped atlas
i have beaten it twice, but i think even the second time was 0 heat
quiet gull
Then maybe just keep running zero heat for a while
I did like ten or fifteen runs at zero or one heat before I really started turning it up, while I got used to the feeling of winning a run at all
warped atlas
im assuming you just mean kill redacted and stuff? is there a reason to keep going with 0 heat instead of getting more rewards, or is it just to get better at the game?
quiet gull
Of course, remember that heat is weapon specific, so you have to go through this all over for each weapon
im assuming you just mean kill redacted and stuff? is there a reason to keep going with 0 heat instead of getting more rewards, or is it just to get better at the game?
@warped atlas Like I said, you can do it once for each weapon
But yeah, I wanted to get better at the game.
I got to the point where I was buying the diamond or TB every run, so I decided to turn up the heat quite a bit. Still working my way up!
warped atlas
okay that makes sense, i think ive only beaten it with aegis so ill try it with others. i always forget its weapon specific
rocky summit
Hey I’m not sure the best place to put this question but I keep having an issue where the contractor has a emphasized / quest exclamation but when I go to chat nothing new pops up? Let me know if I should move this question to another channel I just want to figure out what’s going on 😅
gusty slate
Contractor might just have new items available?
I know sometimes it doesn't register you acknowledging new items unless you scrolldown to see the new items
marsh pendant
I think sometimes the exclamation mark pops up when you have enough currency to buy sth on the first tab?
gusty slate
Ah it might be that
dry mauve
yeah i think its that
rocky summit
Hm I don’t think I have enough for anything? It’s been a reoccurring issue for a bit now I just thought it might be a good time to ask. Mostly concerned I wasn’t holding any of the story up or something 😅 thank you though!
woeful olive
oh come on, wtf
i just beat hades for the first time, and he fully healed and beat me
does he always do that or is it just awful rng?
i'm so pissed
blissful cosmos
oiojihujh
keen dome
does he always do that or is it just awful rng?
@Oatsca#7606 ||yeah he has a second phase||
dry mauve
||the fight has two phases||
mint cliff
pretty much my reaction the first time that happened
"oh yay i made it through and i still have a death defiance left, thats grea- oh"
dry mauve
you think you're the only one with death defiance??
gusty slate
Hm, final boss and onwards is spoilers material apparently, but aye
2stubborn2die they say
mint cliff
||I guess Zagreus really does take after his father||
blissful cosmos
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unkempt jacinth
Am i the only one that thinks the "dash after nearly being hit" function feels kinda vague and unaproachable
gusty slate
It's sorta like ruthless dash
unkempt jacinth
everything that prerequisite is attatched to is really appealing bu idk
unkempt jacinth
no. there are boons that involve the same mechanic as ruthless dash
there is a couple of them
gusty slate
I sort of think of it like a parry
mint cliff
it works better if you have extra dashes and a good dash boon to spam from my experience
gusty slate
the timing and distance does make it sorta weird though
mint cliff
but yeah it kinda requires muscle memory/learning enemy patterns more than normal boons
idk what the window is either
gusty slate
it's moreso the distance actually, the timing tends to be ~about as you are getting hit, like a normal parry in other games
idk 
unkempt jacinth
I love the game it feels so nice and its so much fun
I find myself constantly excited about playing and want to see the whole game
gusty slate
Some things aren't explained very well :/
mint cliff
it sure is
agile cargo
idk why but em2 lernie was rly funny especially the lots of heads phase
lernie ||water park||
or.... ||lava park||
gusty slate
Grab pos dash, make it an actual park
delicate pilot
I was wondering
From later game conversations. The de-flooding of Asphodel is a low point on the to do list, but still a point
Who'd defend the entrance to Elysium..exit of asphodel? If all the lava was drained away
is it even lava or just hurty water?
marble umbra
I think it says it's magma, so yeah, lava
mint cliff
yeah heightened security calls it magma in the description
patent cedar
i was super close to finishing my first run with heat
gotta learn redacted's patterns a bit more i guess
marble umbra
It's was all about the attacking patterns for me, at least. Once you have timing and everything, you should be beating redacted more times than losing
Timing is more crucial than anything, imo.
gusty slate
I mean, the whole underworld changes every run, so hmmm
ornate summit
I don't think that's in the game
Would be neat if it were but y'know, Asphodel being a lethal lava land is its main flavour ingame
gusty slate
Yeah, the dialogue does exist though if I recall
ornate summit
You'd have to do something else to compensate for the lack of regional hazard.
gusty slate
Nothing can fix my stupidity
ornate summit
Can you get Duo Boons from Trials of the Gods?
ornate summit
Good to know
hard pier
I learned something new again
Guess I won't be going in there while looking for duos anymore xD
gusty slate
Yeah lol
Makes sense I guess, if you're in a bitter mood from being picked over.... not going to be friendly for that encounter
ornate summit
Jeez, Thanatos affection unlock, finally
mint cliff
i feel that
mint cliff
like 5 runs in between every time he let me gift him istg
being unable to gift if they're talking to someone is big suck
ornate summit
It's mostly because getting him to appear is slow compared to everyone else
And that
mint cliff
does using his keepsake increase his appearance rate? it really feels like it does, but also confirmation bias is a thing
gusty slate
I think someone looked into code... all rng
marble umbra
I'm chasing Meg unlock rn, and I think last run was almost the unlock... but I had EM1 and Zag said he couldn't say what he wanted to say in front of ||her sisters|| 🙄
marble umbra
Hopefully I'll check in when I get back from this run and hope for the best, then lol
I've had her maxed out since a few runs
wooden anchor
TFW you are running Ares/Athrodite/Zues trio and the Boon selection screen gives you 2 Duos and a Doom damage increase...
Why are we here? Just to suffer?
gusty slate
Too loved
wooden anchor
This is the only time I hate the RNG being too kind to me.
gusty slate
can't be worse than getting 2 duos and legendary :/
ornate summit
Miniature Trial of the Gods
hard pier
That's like having to choose between a really great duo boon, and a common boon that's absolutely integral to your desired build
I've passed up multiple great boons because of that
wooden anchor
lol Imagine having to pass on Legendary.
hard pier
Sometimes the common one is better for your current build
mint cliff
it was the reduce trap damage boon too
right before ||hades|| after grabbing the satyr sack
wooden anchor
Paired with the Sword that extracts bloodstone.
mint cliff
aspect of poseidon?
hard pier
Ye
ornate summit
Poseidon's Stygius and Hera's Coronacht both pair very well with Exit Wounds
stone pebble
I love the little pose skelly does when ||you summon him||
mint cliff
i rely on boiling blood so much im scared to use that aspect 
delicate pilot
@agile cargo bit late but, end game spoiler, ||Persephone talks to Hades about the to do list for repairs. She mentions that deflooding Asphodel would take awhile, but it wasn't a high priority due to the citizens growing use to it||
wooden anchor
It also increases Cast damage I blieve.
hard pier
For Hera I actually prefer using Casts that don't stick
ornate summit
Spoiler-tag hidden aspects, please
hard pier
Like Dionysus Trippy Shot
marble umbra
||Excalibur|| is indeed insane. Last run I did was my first with it, and it's the first time that from after Tartarus I totally knew I was gonna win. Cut my PB over 3 mins, too
delicate pilot
|| on both sides
agile cargo
thank you dusa very cool
ornate summit
New speed record, 17:02
wooden anchor
||I'm rocking on Excalibur atm with Tank build. The damage reduction is insane.||
ornate summit
Eris' Exagryph is so dumb with flat damage boons.
Drunken Strike, Curse of Agony, Artemis' Aid, and both relevant duos
Arguably splitting headache was unnecessary but eh
wooden anchor
||I once got Excalibur with Dionysus fog damage reduction, Athena damage reduction, Aphrodite damage reduction, and 20% Hermes dodge.||
ornate summit
Seeing Doom bonk Redacted for 1300+ was funny
mint cliff
honestly
wooden anchor
mint cliff
the railgun scares me so much
red tiger
I can not use the railgun for theseus and asterius
mint cliff
40 hours in (yeah not that much but a decent chunk of time) and i have used it for a grand total of 0 runs
mint cliff
ornate summit
Just firing at the wrong times for Asterius
Could always get lucky with rocket special instead
mint cliff
i kept telling myself id try it next time and then using ||excalibur|| again cause i love it too much
red tiger
Last run I used the railgun I went for 2 hermes boons hoping for the speed boost to my special
nope
wooden anchor
I felt Railgun was kind weak when I first use it. Then I got a run with a bunch of Special boons and Upgrades. Then it crits for over 1500 damage.
red tiger
didnt get it
mint cliff
i just really dont like the idea of manual reload
red tiger
The special is completely useless fighting asterius
mint cliff
but seeing that the fastest clears are all with the railgun means i know i have to get used to it eventually 
ornate summit
Nah I land it just fine, just gotta hit him as he stops from another attack
red tiger
yeah, sometimes it works. but most of the time he's on the move
wooden anchor
There's a Bazooka upgrade for Railgun which is kind decent if you don't like the grenade launcher mode.
ornate summit
I still miss more often on him, but it's not ||Extreme Measures|| Theseus...
Mentioned it earlier, Dusty
wooden anchor
Oh, right.
marble umbra
The bazooka upgrade is awesome. You can spam it a lot
wooden anchor
The chat moving too fast for my old ass.
ornate summit
Firing the Special is very low commitment at least
wooden anchor
Bazooka + Triple Shot = profit.
wooden anchor
I think if you aim it farther away it actually travels faster.
red tiger
hmm idk
wooden anchor
Saves about 2 seconds.
ornate summit
Travel time is 2~3 seconds, I want to say?
wooden anchor
Feels about right.
red tiger
Its certainly great for the bone hydras though
ornate summit
Oh gods, I forgot how painful ||Charon|| was.
ornate summit
Pretty strong if you can handle it.
agile cargo
hard to use i assume?
ornate summit
Well, its' ||attack is slow to charge, if strong. And its special is fast but has weak damage on its own, intended to supplement the Attack with +30-50% damage||
agile cargo
i see
dry mauve
its good
its a bit hard to use at first but it holds some records
so it is by no means a weak weapon
wooden anchor
It'll be great if we can save Mirror of Night combination for each weapons. Or at least put the mirror in the training ground.
agile cargo
btw how do i unlock aphrodites favor? i gifted enough nectars already but she seems to have nothing to ask of me
radiant estuary
||Complete all 3 romance sidequests||
wooden anchor
Favor? The Keepsakes?
bronze ravine
I did my first hidden bow run while only spamming special (not using the attack)
boss got melted so fast
just slap in zeus special and a few buff effects
wooden anchor
The Bill O'Riley references in this game caught me off guard last night lol.
Yeah the special works pretty good with Zeus's lightning.
quaint hatch
Bro twin shot and explosive shot is hella fun
wooden anchor
Also the Railgun bouncing attack upgrade.
quaint hatch
One shot machine
hushed violet
What's the Bill O'Riley reference?
hushed violet
Ohh coool
wouldn't have noticed that otherwise
I personally love the 'day or night' running joke
red tiger
Does Hermes' lament purse go away when you stop using it as a keepsake?
hushed violet
that all the characters seem to be consistent with
quaint hatch
Yes
wooden anchor
There are some great references in this game.
red tiger
If I use the lament purse now on asphodel and switch to another keepsake on elysium, do I still have the dodge chance and move speed?
quaint hatch
No
hushed violet
I dont believe so
wooden anchor
I don't think you do in my experience.
red tiger
dang
hushed violet
it only works while you hold it
red tiger
useless
hushed violet
haha
bronze ravine
same for butterfly
hushed violet
useless
@red tiger I read that in Hades' voice
quaint hatch
Go all in or go broke
red tiger
Though I'll certainly try it sometime now
What would be the best weapon paired with that?
wooden anchor
I've being called "boy" more times in the past 48 hours than in my entire life.
red tiger
same with boyo lol
red tiger
Darren Korb? is he a famous voiceactor or something?
Oh he was just a voice in all the other supergiant games
wooden anchor
Makes me wanna play God of War again.
quaint hatch
That disrespect
hushed violet
the disrespect hahah
red tiger
Oh he wrote all the soundtracks???
hushed violet
Yes, he's a legend to me
red tiger
did zagereus just say "where am I" when entering chaos' realm
you have been here 100 times by now!
hushed violet
Yeah he wrote all the soundtracks, voices Zag and Skelly
wooden anchor
This is such a great game, one of the best rogue-lite I've played.
With only one slight complain, not enough boss varieties.
DLC with Olympus gods bossfight would be GOTY for me.
quaint hatch
Now that's gonna be sad
red tiger
I completely agree that there should be more boss variety
I think they should do something in the future with how the 3 furys are all different but also the exact same difficulty
wooden anchor
||Extreme Measure || is a great idea but it still doesn't add enough varieties to the bossfights.
red tiger
Have replacements for the second and third bosses that are entire different characters but similar in difficulty
red tiger
There is no hecatoncheires in the game. That would be perfect for asphodel instead of the bone hydra!
wooden anchor
Poor Lernie is the least noticeable character in the game.
quaint hatch
Also achilles is an obvious choice for elysium imo
Together with patrocleus In a team fight
wooden anchor
Oh there are a lot of internet references in this game.
red tiger
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh achilles wouldn't want to stop zag
quaint hatch
Meg also fights zag
red tiger
I don't see why not heracles
quaint hatch
Out of job obligation
red tiger
True but she also kind of eggs him on and seems to want to fight him
wooden anchor
Heracles would make a great bossfight.
quaint hatch
Should still stay a double fight
red tiger
I don't know enough about greek mythology yet but I'm sure there are plenty of other heroes that would be fitting in place of asterius and theseus
Definitely agree it should stay a double fight
though Hades inspired me to read a lot more of greek mythology. If anyone else wants to, Mythos by Stephen Fry is fantastic and a pretty easy read. I prefer the audiobook personally though
marble umbra
Maybe on endgame runs ||post-Persefone coming back, you should fight random gods on the final fight and not Hades. Like they want in to "rescue" Persephone||
But yeah, boss variety would be great, because once you learn the bosses patterns, you can beat them kinda consistently, even if they have sometimes slight variations (like Hydra)
quaint hatch
If you play the ||epilogue|| that becomes out of question
warped atlas
if i buy the 'court musician stand' upgrade am i able to replay any songs ive heard, at any time that im in the house?
wooden anchor
If need to pay for the music with Diamonds.
warped atlas
so i have to unlock new songs with diamonds?
wooden anchor
Ye
warped atlas
okay, is it worth it or should i wait until later in the game? also im assuming each song is a one time purchase?
oh wow
red tiger
Yeah...spend your diamonds on the other things for now lol
wooden anchor
After you've purchased gameplay-affecting renovations you can pretty much spend diamonds on cosmetics you like pretty safely.
Provided that you don't trade it for Ambrosia or Titan Blood.
red tiger
ok guys so. I'm 30 hours into the game and still don't know what nectar does after you get someone's keepsake
Is it JUST for story reasons?
or does it have another purpose
warped atlas
alright, i dont have all of the gameplay upgrades yet so ill wait for a bit
wooden anchor
You can give it to people you like.
quaint hatch
Complete the work orders first
wooden anchor
||You actually have to give them to certain people to acquire legendary Keepsake, also known as companions||
quaint hatch
(there will still be some appearing)
You don't give em to certain people
You buy key items for quest fulfillment in the work order section
wooden anchor
Yeah also that.
quaint hatch
Once you progressed dialogue (and depending on the character relationship) enough
agile cargo
btw can ||lernie actually talk||
agile cargo
i think ive heard a spoiler about it but i could have just remembered it wrong
stone pebble
HISIHSIIHSIHSIS
agile cargo
hisses in bones
austere stag
i assure you
||if lernie could talk|| we would have a lot more people thirsting over it
balmy python
hi! i'm looking for some help in how to unlock the codex index? it's not available in my contractor's list even though i think i've completed the prerequisites for it. i hope this is the right channel to ask this 😅
limpid crown
@balmy python achilles gives you the index after your 3rd run
balmy python
@limpid crown really? but i'm already about 50 runs in ): i'm referring to the index upgrade that would show the boon prerequisites in the codex
balmy python
Sorry no clue for that :c
@limpid crown no worries! and thanks ^^ i've tried looking it up and it seems like a thing for switch players? but i play on pc
stone pebble
Does the crit chance apply to ||Achillies bull rush|| using that one daedalus hammer upgrade?
wide night
This is a bit of an odd question but... if one were to use Cheat Engine to make the game harder, would that be socially acceptable?
sharp fossil
you prolly wouldn’t qualify for leaderboards, as that would set a weird precedent
sharp fossil
idk if using cheats to make things easier is really that socially unacceptable outside of leaderboard stuff, so i can’t imagine people would be too worried
as in, everything moves twice as fast?
sounds kinda fun
wide night
Yeah, just use the speedhack function of CE to double game speed
I was thinking of trying that with a particular modifier.
exotic basalt
I feel like in a single player game you can do whatcha want
sharp fossil
^
wide night
I'm glad that's the attitude around here 😅 A lot of people would just as easily say "leave it as it is"
sharp fossil
honestly the hades community is pretty chill
stone pebble
Dude
the funniest thing just happened
||Thesus called upon the gods at the same time I called for Meg, he says " Of course you need help!" Then he dies|| ||Then he turns into a pickle, funniest sh*t I've ever seen||
stone pebble
I also just witnessed Zeus and Demeter have the HOTTEST disses towards eachother
woeful olive
||hades has this unbelievably stupid move where he sends out like 10 beams all around him||
how in gods name am i expected to dodge that?
just lost 100 health to it in nearly 3 seconds and died
agile cargo
you can hide behind pillars
bronze ravine
you go ||behind the rocks||
agile cargo
the indestructible pillars
stone wigeon
Hard cover or use a relevant call
agile cargo
also redacted does take some time to charge up, just quickly dash behind a pillar
bronze ravine
yes, impervious from call works too
stone wigeon
Charm interrupts it as well
real fossil
aphro's call also disrrupts it
agile cargo
also if you play shield you can block it anywhere
woeful olive
i'm playing trident
real fossil
but u if u just wanna realibly avoid the damage, get behind the pillars
bronze ravine
yup