to be fair it's called extreme measures
#h1-discussion
mild bison
quaint hatch
I like that comment
brisk trail
Played college ball you know
dim nest
does visiting certain chambers affect the chance of other chambers popping up down the line? for example if I visit ||Eurydice in Asphodel|| will I have a lower chance of finding ||Patroclus in Elysium||?
quaint hatch
Shouldn't
tired merlin
Pretty sure it's just rng
dim nest
I was just curious since it's the same type of room
quaint hatch
Yeah but then your logic would also apply to book rooms etc
brisk trail
@dim nest you can only have two hammers per playthrough, so that can affect rooms a bit, two hammers and the cursed anvil in ||styx||
native wave
Hermes is similar, you'll only see two of his boons before the last shop
native wave
ye, pretty sure you can only get a third hermes in final biome
quaint hatch
Yeah you can get a third in final shop
native wave
so if you want hermes to stop showing up on doors before hten, you have to fill his two potential slots
tired merlin
Oh it wasn't in the final ahop
native wave
jus somethin to keep in mind, like the hammers
quaint hatch
Then you prolly just remember wrong
stone pebble
Funny how ||Hermes is the highest price (besides the diamond)|| in charons shop in ||styx||
brisk trail
It seems like the first room in asphodel if it isn't hermes always rolls into hermes too
quaint hatch
Yeah but you get enhanced rarity
tired merlin
No because I had God call, spec +20, and side hustle
quaint hatch
In final I mean
tired merlin
I say God call and I mean the one where it boosts speed after a call
quaint hatch
There is a scripted sequence where you get hermes as the first boon in a run
brisk trail
Yeah I figured they were high rarity end game all the boons on the doors were glowing red lol
quaint hatch
That might be what you're remembering
native wave
that could be it actually
hard pier
Wanna get good enough with the sword to stop passing up all the bounties for it. Anything I should go for?
quaint hatch
Depends on the aspect
hard pier
Uh, either Zag or lv1 Nemesis
quaint hatch
Oof lv one nemesis
brisk trail
Poseidon gets a lot of utility out of one level.
hard pier
15% is a good chance bruh
stone pebble
||Crit arthur?||
quaint hatch
Nah
brisk trail
15% is good, same chance as Deadly Strike.
quaint hatch
Max or wax
hard pier
I don't have that one yet. Very blood heavy
quaint hatch
Except one is a boon and one is an aspect
Take poseidon
It's even good at starting level
native wave
||arthur|| is super dangerous tbh
brisk trail
Yeah, so I can use Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike with Nemesis and get bonuses.
hard pier
My problem with Poseidon would be that the cast builds I like are the Hera ones
native wave
yikes
quaint hatch
Dahs strikes or hit buffering slaps
lone flame
How far away do you have to be for Distant Memory to work? Wiki says 500 units and I have no idea what that means.
hard pier
Poseidon sword is good with Artemis cast boons like dislodge, right?
quaint hatch
Yep
I'll just post builds sec
Poseidon Build: Athena or aphrodite cast, parting shot duo, exit wounds artemis|Parting shot (Aphro, athena), exit wounds, electric shot|Flood shot, blizzard shot, exit wounds
| means different build
empty star
Hello everyone. I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to content creator opportunities with Supergiant Games. I tried the contact page on their website.
hard pier
Normally I either go with Dionysus, Ares or Demeter casts to avoid the having my casts stuck problem, but I guess thats a non issue with Poseidon
native wave
that last one, why take exit wounds?
quaint hatch
If you're playing non stick casts with poseidon you might as well not play it
native wave
you were talkin about pos/dem duo right?
quaint hatch
Exit wounds if you don't get the duo
native wave
ahh
quaint hatch
Building for flood shot slaps too
native wave
ye
hard pier
Problem I see here is that most of those builds need more than two gods to work well, which I can't really guarantee
cedar remnant
I'm about to go into ||Hades|| with one death defy, and I don't think I'll be able to do it :(
native wave
achilles spear or eris are gonna be better for nonlodging casts
quaint hatch
Problem I see here is that most of those builds need more than two gods to work well, which I can't really guarantee
@hard pier ever heard of gods keepsakes?
hard pier
Yeah, but I like going Acorn from Elysium onwards
quaint hatch
...
If you take 1 keepsake the first stage and if the other god doesn't show up the other the second stage you're good
I always run like that
Achieve my builds 95% of the time
topaz ermine
@cedar remnant u got this!!!!
hard pier
🤔
I'm confused by the phrasing of that, but I guess I'll trust in the reliability of that strategy
topaz ermine
also ah i run acorn for elysium onwards too!! it really helps so much omg @hard pier
quaint hatch
It worked for me for 140+ hours
mild bison
I used to run acorn but switched to sigil. it's so much damage.
hard pier
It's just that I don't understand what you've actually said xD
mild bison
if you're looking for a duo you start with one of the god's trinkets in tartarus and then switch to the other god in asphodel.
quaint hatch
I don't understand what you don't understand
brisk trail
I like running ||the pom|| lots of numbers, or sometimes just full lambent plume runs, I can usually get 28-30% dodge
topaz ermine
oh how do you get sigil??? i think i'm missing one keepsake and it might be that one
quaint hatch
You'll find out
brisk trail
Play longer lol
topaz ermine
👁🕳👁
quaint hatch
Progress the story
cedar remnant
Ok well I got him to 1/3 on ||2nd phase|| which is far further than I have before, I know if I'd had another death defy I would have beat him so I just gotta keep at it
brisk trail
Just focus more on his attack pattern, it's pretty slow once you actually get into a rhythm
hard pier
Acorn helps a lot on ||hades||
brisk trail
Getting more dashes helps
hard pier
Just saying
carmine fog
hey is there a feedback channel? i remember there being one but I can't seem to find it
cedar remnant
yeah I have full acorn
mild bison
the tooltip for sigil in the trinket interface doesn't mention the 100% damage buff.
quiet gull
hey is there a feedback channel? i remember there being one but I can't seem to find it
@carmine fog They shut it down after releasing 1.0
brisk trail
Get ruthless reflex and 2 dashes from hermes and you'll beat him no problem
carmine fog
I just wanted somewhere to complain about how utterly impossible it is to get Hypnos's favor -- I've 100%'d the achievements, done the epilogue, and I still haven't unlocked it
quiet gull
You can still give feedback here, but consider that the game has ended active development
Gotta keep talking to people I guess
carmine fog
also similar issue for the prophecy for practicing the lyre, im 140 runs deep with no end for it in sight
quiet gull
RNG is a beeyotch
The lyre requires 210 strums and like five Orpheus convos in between
brisk trail
Keep || talking to orpheus||
I'm still working on hypnos too though, it is frustrating, I have maxed relationships with every character but him now 110-120 runs, somewhere in there
carmine fog
yeah I'm in about the same boat, 144 runs in and no clue how to unlock his favor
brisk trail
I just keep unlocking things in that hall, but I think I might've finished that
Actually I do have a few left
quaint hatch
Theres dialogue between him and than about his ||job performance||
Just progress the dialogue
brisk trail
Yeah I think I've had that like 40 runs ago lol
quaint hatch
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
brisk trail
Yerface is random 😤
tribal willow
what's the best keepsake?
quiet gull
Ya gotta talk to erryone
quaint hatch
There is none
All situational
In hades there's not really an "auto win"/"op" keepsake, boon or apsect
Well except eris and athena dash
So there's not auto win keepsake
hard pier
Poor Lernie
brisk trail
Everything but myrmidon bracer
quiet gull
Harsh
hard pier
In the end, Hades is but a fishing Sim anyway
sick ether
hello! I'm trying to complete the game, can't get Ares to give me the War-God's Bloodlust prophecy, any ideas? Tried looking around and saw people saying its bugged but that was months ago
is it still bugged?
gusty slate
don't think so, it took awhile for Ares to notice me and give it to me though
good 'ol RNG dialogue
keen loom
notice me ares senpai
sick ether
damn i talk to him a lot and most of the times it just gives me the boon :( will keep trying then
gusty slate
I don't recall there being another pre-req, sec
quaint hatch
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
gusty slate
Yeah, once you get to the max number of nectars given it's just whenever Ares is impressed enough with us lul
just keep at it, might take awhile 
Good luck though!
sick ether
thanks!
cedar remnant
PogChamp Sisyphus says "Z" like a proper brit
cedar remnant
>:(
quaint hatch
Jk obvs
cedar remnant
coral badger
stone pebble
When the narrarator says ||Zagreus dies a horrible death after he escapes while having the job|| is he exaggerating or what
coral badger
oh hes serious
carmine ravine
he dont have any idea
brisk trail
@stone pebble it's up to interpretation, ||except for the part where he keels over and lets out an anguished groan and dies||
carmine ravine
refer to this || https://imgur.com/a/N9wrIQU ||
coral badger
lmao thats funny
stone pebble
oh man
I cant wait to get this interaction from the narrator
So like
is the narrator just a voice in his head, because ||others can't seem to hear or notice him||
carmine ravine
its a poet wink wink
quaint hatch
It was all a dream
stone pebble
I would totally believe that
carmine ravine
if u buy the old man statue, it will give subtle hints of the narrator
stone pebble
I'll be sure to do that once I rack up some gems
hushed lintel
wait really?
quaint hatch
It's only 800
hushed lintel
old man statue does that?
stone pebble
ah
lime oyster
carmine ravine
everyone knows that
hard pier
I mean, I got the one for Dead Cells, I'd have no reason to dislike one for Hades
Though I'd say it's good as is
rare obsidian
Is there a way to trade more than ten gemstones at a time?
quaint hatch
thats me in 1 pic
hushed lintel
carmine ravine
i think u can iirc, but theres like no synergy or unique things like that
stone pebble
i think he means like
lets say ||curse of nasuea and the ares call, they play off eachother||
DIONYSUS
i meant
is that what you meant?
stone geyser
there are a lot of duos that make calls much stronger - especially dio call yeah. dio call is very very very strong with smoldering air, curse of nausea, low tolerance
astral drift
Have there been any hints from Supergiant that work on Hades is continuing outside of balancing/bugfixing? I've seen patches come in, and they had great content, but are there major updates planned already?
quaint hatch
no
astral drift
Ah I shouldn't have asked... now I'm sad... 😄
quaint hatch
gotta learn the hard way XD
astral drift
I'll just focus on getting better and hope for the best then!
cedar remnant
I mean, the game only 1.0 released in september, right?
grand bay
is there a list that suggests how to increase ||heat|| in order for it to go up as smoothly as possible?
glossy night
Would love to see more Boss Fights and maybe fixing Zagreus sprites when talking to Dusa and the others
It looks goofy the more I look at it, Zagreus himself is great just the odd Artwork Sprites when chatting looks weird
Maybe it's just me
quiet gull
is there a list that suggests how to increase ||heat|| in order for it to go up as smoothly as possible?
@grand bay The point of the pact is that you can increase whatever and just go by feel
autumn rose
quick googling got me this:
https://www.thegamer.com/hades-dlc/
it says that there probably won't be any dlc, but it doesn't provide any evidence to support it, so who knows
quiet gull
Evidence: SGG have never released content patches/DLC for any of their games, ever
glossy night
Whoever said it was to be DLC
quaint hatch
nice random internet article
quiet gull
When hades launched 1.0, they repeatedly stated that the game was finished, and whatever is in the game IS the game
quaint hatch
500 credible
autumn rose
hmm, that's seems like a strong argument
quaint hatch
sry no offense ik you had good intentions
autumn rose
i hate that article as well, its just first thing that i found
grand bay
i really want a DLC/expansion but i also kinda dont because itll be hard to stand up to the expectations
it'd be better if they just make an altogether new game similar to this
autumn rose
well, since there will be no dlc, all my hopes for actual ||positive outcome of romancing Dusa|| is out of the window D:
woeful lotus
they can still add stuff without it being major patches
glossy night
That's true Demo
quiet gull
More balance patches and minor changes are coming, no one is disputing that
quaint hatch
its not like ther will be no dlc
brisk trail
Sgg has never released dlc for their games
quaint hatch
but there very likely wont be
brisk trail
But they've never released a game this popular
So I think there's at least a small chance they milk this cow a little harder
quaint hatch
i hope they completely dry out that dang cow
shy tartan
id be cool with that
brisk trail
Hades is like, mainstream
shy tartan
i just hope they don't sell out and they kinda know where the line is
brisk trail
Big game
high island
No DLC planned != won't plan DLC.
brisk trail
Everyone talks about it even normies
high island
They're polishing up 1.0, then taking a long break that they very much deserve.
glossy night
Bastion was super popular lmao
quaint hatch
No DLC planned != won't plan DLC.
@high island maybe itll spontaneously spawn
high island
Anything else after that they'll decide then.
quiet gull
The amount of spritework and voice over that a hypothetical DLC would entail is straight up the same effort as making a new game
brisk trail
Hades sold twice the amount Bastion did
glossy night
Just even a character mentioning Bastion would make me happy
quaint hatch
i mean they can also just put out hades 2 xD
hot wave
ayy killed ||Hades ||after 20 Runs.
high island
Final boss is spoilers, yeah. 
Congratulations on beating ||Bouldy||, the final boss.
glossy night
Baldy
high island
To bouldy go where no boulder has gone before.
hot wave
literally unlocked Aspects, first Run after was a success.
quaint wind
@hot wave please ||spoiler the final boss's name||
high island
Chiron is really good, but it's not OP.
glossy night
Shouldn't everyone know who it would be by now I ain't defending them I'm just being honest
hot wave
didnt even had a Duo Boon
quiet gull
Shouldn't everyone know who it would be by now I ain't defending them I'm just being honest
@glossy night I agree, but rules are rules
glossy night
True
high island
We get new players all the time in the server.
quaint hatch
Shouldn't everyone know who it would be by now I ain't defending them I'm just being honest
@glossy night theres stilla lot of new players in this channel afaik
hot wave
Story in Roguelikes 
quaint hatch
if you wanna talk spoilers theres channels
quiet gull
spoiling the name of the game
glossy night
Stillmannn
quaint hatch
writing two symbols harrrd
high island
The name of the game is Lady Aphrodite and her little godling.
wise burrow
was wondering if you refuse a God's boon, is it still seeded for your run so it will keep showing up?
obsidian maple
quaint hatch
you mean just takje a different room?
quiet gull
Gods are only added to your pool if you take a boon
wise burrow
thank you
mild bison
it's completely random until you have 4 and then it chooses between those 4.
you can force more then 4 using trinkets.
quaint hatch
but youll kick another god out of rotation
quiet gull
A random one, at that
autumn rose
wow, I never noticed there is max of 4 gods
cosmic stone
Yeah it’s cool
brisk trail
You can force more with Keepsakes.
cosmic stone
It’s good for making certain builds
autumn rose
so that's why i sometimes don't have athena in 4 stage for my defiance reset
it kinda tilted me off
cosmic stone
Mmhm
But you can get her keepsake
Love to see it that the 3 best gods are in one together
Artemis, Aphrodite and Athena
All of the As
autumn rose
that's pretty subjective claim you know
cedar remnant
yo, what is the name of the song when you fight the Asterius and Theseus?
cosmic stone
King and the bull
cedar remnant
thanks
cosmic stone
Yw
cedar remnant
I like it but didn't know the name
cosmic stone
I know names of most of the songs since I listen to em a lot
autumn rose
i would argue that hermes is my all time pick unless i have dedal as alternative
autumn rose
lol what?
cosmic stone
He doesn’t count pretty much
autumn rose
ok, w/e
cosmic stone
Since you can find him no matter what gods are in the roll
autumn rose
best revenge value as well from demetra
cosmic stone
Not like what’s good with best weapons
marble umbra
I won last 5 runs just with Poseidon's call. Very op, imo
I just force it and that’s it
autumn rose
yeah, my favorite ult as well
quiet gull
But generally the 3 As are the best
@cosmic stone But Eris runs dont want any of those, how can they be the best?
cosmic stone
Not like what’s good with best weapons
@cosmic stone
This is just being general here
@cosmic stone
cosmic stone
I said that specifically because of Eris
bronze ravine
eris rail doesn't mind a few arte crit buffs as a side dish tho
cosmic stone
If you don’t know what gods to use on a new weapon which 3 do you pick?
quiet gull
eris rail doesn't mind a few arte crit buffs as a side dish tho
@bronze ravine PP too stronk
If you don’t know what gods to use on a new weapon which 3 do you pick?
@cosmic stone The first three I run into in a run?
cosmic stone
Exactly rather Artemis, Aphro or Athena
maiden urchin
i did a few runs with cluster bomb and deadly flourish on Etis rail
was pretty good
cosmic stone
No I mean which 3 attack boosts do you pick for a weapon you have no idea about?
Usually one of those 3
They work for most weapons
quiet gull
i did a few runs with cluster bomb and deadly flourish on Etis rail
@maiden urchin The strong part of this combo isnt the god boon
bronze ravine
I try the weapon on skelly, if it looks like it hit a lot maybe dio or zeus
marble umbra
Athena, Poseidon and Dionysius for me, but the first two are not even weapon related
maiden urchin
Well the god boon increases the cluster bomb damage by a lot..
Whether you pick demeter aphro or arty is up to you
quiet gull
Cluster bomb is a 350% damage increase, no boon compares to that
autumn rose
yeah, i would argue that Poseidon and Dionysus is better than Artemis generally
woeful lotus
no its not
quiet gull
hazard bomb is 5x :P
@maiden urchin At -30% damage
autumn rose
but you can disregard my opinion cause i'm mid heat scrub
maiden urchin
hazard bomb i said
quiet gull
Oh that
maiden urchin
not cluster bomb
quiet gull
Hazard is... 300% though? Or am I misremembering
woeful lotus
yeh afik its 300%
maiden urchin
it’s +300% it says
autumn rose
it says so in description
maiden urchin
so 4x
maiden urchin
more than cluster by a bit
woeful lotus
well that 350% from cluster assumes that all 5 hit the same target
and while that definately happens its far from all the time
quiet gull
well that 350% from cluster assumes that all 5 hit the same target
@woeful lotus AOE damage is still damage
woeful lotus
only if it hits something
quiet gull
Also gotta learn to bunch them up for that sweet deeps
woeful lotus
yeah im just saying its not as reliable as hazard in terms of dmg output
autumn rose
guys, is it me, or does Athena look too dark skinned?
is it cause of lightning on that blessing?
or is that Netflix meme joke?
woeful lotus
no its cause they chose to make her black
autumn rose
you sure?
maiden urchin
yes
autumn rose
i was thinking she's like olive skinned which is ok for greece, and then that blue lightning on a boon made her look that way
woeful lotus
yes cause they had questions about it and they pointed out that greeks knew of other races so why would they limit their perception of gods to white ppl
hermes is asian coded apperently ares is also black
woeful lotus
it is but the point was that there were black ppl in greece at the time or atleast ppl who worshiped the same gods
i still like the outrage they had about the shutting up option
maiden urchin
what is the shutting up option
woeful lotus
in pre release hermes had a conversation like that allowed you to tell him to shut up
autumn rose
w8, he still has it
woeful lotus
and he was the only character in the game
woeful lotus
dunno why they added it but some asian ppl took offense to it
autumn rose
i would much more like to shut up Demeter, she annoys to no end
maiden urchin
wait since when do you have dialogue options at all
woeful lotus
nah grandma is fine
autumn rose
its only character in game that i don't like
woeful lotus
it only occurs with a few characters rigged
autumn rose
i never noticed the's asian
he doesn't look too asian to me
and ares looks just like tanned caucasian
woeful lotus
not to me neither but when i read it i kinda saw it
autumn rose
even athena, apart her skin color
faint flume
I like all the characters in terms of they're all cool characters
autumn rose
her face features are kinda caucasian still
I like all the characters in terms of they're all cool characters
except Demeter
faint flume
and they're all Mediterranean? idk what else to say
quiet gull
Yeah, they only changed the skintone on Ares and Athena
cosmic stone
in pre release hermes had a conversation like that allowed you to tell him to shut up
He still has that
cosmic stone
I started in 1.0 and he still had that dialogue
woeful lotus
well i think you are expecting abit much if you want them to have like proper facial traits etc
autumn rose
its kinda ironic that Demeter is only not "cool" character, while being literally cool
cosmic stone
You need to give Hermes max nectar I think
faint flume
ah I see
cosmic stone
Maybe ||ambrosia||
woeful lotus
i feel like your hatred of her borders on obssession
faint flume
yeah
autumn rose
i had taht option before ambrosia
i don't even know the trigger to unlock ambrosia to him
cosmic stone
He will think he is slowing you down and you get a choice to make him be quiet or let him keep talking since “you’re the boss”
autumn rose
but god dialogues don't count in walkthrough time
cosmic stone
I have the image of it if anyone wants to be sent it
autumn rose
why would he say that
faint flume
what's the difference between hell mode and regular game?
faint flume
that it?
autumn rose
w8, why so specific?
faint flume
like that's not super easy but eh, not unsurmountable
cosmic stone
What’s so specific?
autumn rose
i never knew that has own mode name
cosmic stone
Yeah
woeful lotus
well you cant go down in heat
cosmic stone
It’s a thing it’s to make early game hard
woeful lotus
and you have to go up evry run
autumn rose
idk, i found 16 heat kinda ez still
cosmic stone
Yeah you can’t go down heat
autumn rose
32 is rough though
cosmic stone
And?
autumn rose
cant beat
autumn rose
i thought to start at 0 heat
cosmic stone
With only 6 Titan blood tops
faint flume
yeah that seems hard as hell now I think about it
faint flume
any story changes or nah?
cosmic stone
Nope I don’t believe so
woeful lotus
nah its just for the sake of doing it
autumn rose
ah, now i see, hell mode, never knew its there
how do i turn it on?
its in settings?
cosmic stone
Make a new save
woeful lotus
you have to do it from a new save
woeful lotus
and you cant turn it off
woeful lotus
theres also godmode that gives you dmg reduction evry time you die if you just wanna see the story etc
autumn rose
thx, for a tip, but i don't think i'll do it unless ||Dusa becomes properly romancable|| in that mode
cosmic stone
The 5 selected are: Hard labour, less healing, more shop prices
And a few others
I forgot the other 2
woeful lotus
i hate the shop prices
woeful lotus
i dont mind the less healing and hard labour but the shop prices are rough
cosmic stone
Shop prices is the easiest one
cosmic stone
I only visit Charon when in need of healing
Oh yeah and you have NO invincibility
That’s what makes hell mode absolute hell
autumn rose
i thought it wasn't that long anyway
cosmic stone
So getting caught in combos from enemies are inescapable
woeful lotus
it isnt but its enough so you can get away
autumn rose
do you still have animation of losing 1 defiance?
cosmic stone
Yes
vocal remnant
Quick question, is there a limit to how many Artemis boons I can find in a run ?
cosmic stone
No
cosmic stone
Yw
autumn rose
wow, another Artemis fan there
cosmic stone
Everyone is an Artemis fan
autumn rose
crits are overrated imo
autumn rose
Dusa is hot and ||broke my heart||
woeful lotus
than is the best imo
woeful lotus
well i can love alot of ppl at the same time
cosmic stone
I love her so much but prefer Than
I don’t mind being her friend
YEAH POLY RIGHTS
WOOOOOO
autumn rose
dude, i leveled Fidi to max and used it everytime to just see her more, even though its probably bad item
woeful lotus
its funny cause its true irl
granite ether
Also ||best friends for all eternity|| is kinda great :3
cosmic stone
Fidi is good
Yes I do love her as a friend too
Fidi is good for rooms more than bosses
But can be nice in bone hydra
fathom flume
Tfw I lost a sub 7" to a 5 room satyr sack, this is too cruel Supergiant 
cosmic stone
But mainly used for cleaning up rooms
autumn rose
i can't compare her to any other item, cause i never used any other one
cosmic stone
If you have questions about the ||companions|| you can ask me :3 I have all of em maxed
fathom flume
||Batty || is the only "reliable" one tbh
granite ether
Ty 
woeful lotus
i like bouldy its versatile
cosmic stone
||Battie: Nice and reliable, one of the most quick out of all of em mostly well rounded and good
Mort: Love Than and that’s why I used this. Bit unreliable tho since the wait time is so long for him to attack
Bouldy: My favourite companion it’s nice for healing and even better with healing with darkness mirror. Have nothing bad to say about this one 1000 damage is enough too and it lands straight on enemies
Fidi: Amazing for clearing up rooms and high heats and has saved me many times.
Rib: Probably the worst out of the bunch but has uses. Helped me get the Than butterfly achievement which is a plus.
Antos: Really like this one. It’s my favourite design and it’s good for Theseus and Minotaur. Pretty terrible for rooms as you can’t make them aim for certain foes.||
Those are my opinions on all the ||compnions||
You can also refer to Jawless Paul’s video which was really good on talking about the ||companions||: || https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FzHoTNvpfN0||
vocal remnant
I love you frosty grandma.
faint flume
||Rib was the first one I got, makes sense considering skelly is always available, not sure which'll be my last one tho, probably mort at this rate||
maiden urchin
bouldy is op until lc4
fathom flume
||Bouldy is just.. not good, most of the time the "lock on" mechanic will screw you over or he will just smash nothing, also, it's kind of a trap since the value of the currency he drops is really not worth losing that much damage.
Fidi is, yea, middle of the pack I'd say ? Not bad and not good, it's neat to clear rooms, but.. why would you use companions for regular rooms ?
Antos, same as Fidi, it's cool to clear rooms but.. Yea, why use such a limited and powerful thing for things you can clear easily. Niche use against the Chads, but outclassed by Battie anyway since it will give more value outside of the chad Arena.
Rib is just bad, it really is pointless ngl.
Mort is cool on paper but most things will just move out of the way by the time he is doing his thing.
Battie, yea, good all rounder, destroys boss, is reliable, can also clear rooms in a pinch, tho sometimes you get screwed by the positioning of the thingy.||
cosmic stone
||Bouldy damage isn’t really required it’s the healing you want
Fidi as I said is for high heat rooms mainly in Elysium
Antos sucks at clearing rooms definetly don’t use it for that, too slow and will hit weak enemies
Rib can find use as he lured foes over to him and you can attack em before Toney attack him
Mort is used on stationary foes
And Battie I agree.||
fathom flume
Disclaimer : This is my PoV as someone who doesn't do anything else than speedruns nowadays, each ||companion || has it's own niche and you should feel free to use whichever one you like
brisk trail
Well, you should say that at the beginning.
maiden urchin
i like fidi but i don’t like dusa
autumn rose
outrageous : O
cosmic stone
Pretty much only ||Battie|| is useful to you then that’s probably why
fathom flume
yea pretty much
cosmic stone
Yeah she is the best for speed runs
fathom flume
Tho I still have that mindset outside of speedruns
The other are too unreliable imo
autumn rose
you speedrun on what heat?
brisk trail
I think Rib and Bouldy are the high Heat favorites.
cosmic stone
Maybe not Rib
brisk trail
Well, never Bouldy with LC4.
cosmic stone
Skelly is too weak and squishy
brisk trail
Nah, Rib lets you distract Lernie.
cosmic stone
True but nahh
brisk trail
During the 6-head phase.
faint flume
the thing is you just don't need more than ||2500|| damage because that's almost always enough to phase a boss, so any extra damage is wasted
cosmic stone
I might try it tho
brisk trail
Look, I'm going off my own 32 Heat experience here, too.
fathom flume
You only speedrun on 9 heat, except for 32 and 50, since they are their own category, most challenges don't give much to your speedruns
cosmic stone
Can you give me a ||Rib|| guide for 32 heat?
brisk trail
Lotta runs where I lost 2+ DDs on that fight and suddenly hey, it's way easier when Lernie isn't Nova Striking his way through the map.
Top left corner of the Lernie and final boss fight.
fathom flume
You can slap a 10 for one ( or more do what you want ) TD to remove survival room for IRL timer runs
autumn rose
oof, 50 speedrun, i can't even imagine regular run at that heat
cosmic stone
Which phase of final boss
granite ether
FO2 and EM2 are the main ones used in speedrunning in RTA categories I've seen
brisk trail
Phase 1, so you can either distract or deal with adds without getting spun on.
cosmic stone
Unless you’re not using a cherry weapon
fathom flume
( Also I can relate to Lernie wilding with the novas, blue head can burn in hell, which it does actually )
hard pier
Lernie best snek
cosmic stone
By the way does dashing while attacking with hidden blade aspect give I frames?
hard pier
Did you know that some people don't realize that the different colors on the Lernie heads actually mean something
cosmic stone
I know they do different things but I don’t know the things
hard pier
I was confused when I read that some people here don't even notice
fathom flume
Pink does the pink energy shooty things
fathom flume
Blue slams a lot and make stuff falls on your head
hard pier
Pink are the waves I think, and I hate the waves
fathom flume
Green summons
brisk trail
(I'm colorblind, too)
hard pier
Ah, my mistake then
brisk trail
There's one head (might be yellow) that's just Lernie's base model without the additional growthsfeatures that fires the slow homing shots.
Sort of that pale bone color, I guess.
cosmic stone
Yeah I’m not remembering any of that
By the way does dashing while attacking with hidden blade aspect give I frames?
Can someone answer this tho?
brisk trail
Like, doing your standing attacks and getting the dash?
cosmic stone
Yes
cosmic stone
It’s intended.
fathom flume
I think it does
fathom flume
I don't use ||Arthur || a lot but a dash is a dash, I don't see why it would act differently unless it's supposed to
cosmic stone
True
brisk trail
Most weapons lose their i-frames when Dash-Striking.
granite ether
Schpoon, 4th aspects are spoilers in this channel
This convo is probably best suited for #h1-builds-and-combat
cosmic stone
Yeah I was thinking of moving it there since we are talking about a lot of spoilers and stuff
Thanks epic mod man
agile cargo
i got a statue for skelly
not what i expected at all but its welcomed
marsh dune
Hi, I have beaten the final boss 31 times and I have maxed out Sisypus like at 15 clear or something yet I cannot get the contract even though I am doing all the conversations
There is no possiblity of bug, right? I can still see new conversations with Nyx maybe that's the problem?
cosmic stone
You should get it unless there’s another plot line going on rn
You also need to gift Bouldy
brisk trail
probably need to up your relationship with meg too
cosmic stone
Not required
marsh dune
@cosmic stone Oh, I didn't know I was supposed to gift Bouldy too
cosmic stone
Mmhm!
And I guess just in case make sure Than and Meg are maxed since he mentions them
I don’t really think it’s part of giving him the ||ambrosia|| tho
marsh dune
I started gifting everyone like crazy the last 5 runs
marsh dune
Maybe it would progress then
quaint hatch
rng
marsh dune
Maybe I should do few resets to progress story
quaint hatch
just do runs
cosmic stone
Then it shall probably let you.
marsh dune
No, we are chit chatting from time to time
quaint hatch
stuff will sort itself out
marsh dune
No other big plot is going on
quaint hatch
i doubt that
cosmic stone
Okay okay. Well I like to go into Tartarus talk to him beat meg then die in lava.
quaint hatch
unless youre through with story etc there`ll be stuff going on
quaint hatch
nyx is the main culprit in the dialogue system unfortunately
brisk trail
not for this damn hypnos 😤
cosmic stone
Oh ahhh sorry! Giving Bouldy nectar isn’t required.
But you need to talk to Bouldy.
marsh dune
I am chatting to Nyx always
cosmic stone
He also needs to tell you his backstory
marsh dune
Still there is new dialogue, so It is probably rng like you said
cosmic stone
So you need to give him 6 nectar, have talked to Bouldy and learnt his backstory
quaint hatch
Oh ahhh sorry! Giving Bouldy nectar isn’t required.
@cosmic stone its like petting best boi
no extrinsic value
all the intrinsic value
cosmic stone
Wrong. He gives you buffs.
quaint hatch
sure tell me more about bouldy
cosmic stone
He gives you heart of stone
They’re random each time I’ll send you a pic in dm if that’s okay?
brisk trail
he does in-fact give you buffs
marsh dune
what kind of buffs btw?
quaint hatch
thats a game changer
quaint hatch
he does in-fact give you buffs
@brisk trail bruh ik i gift bouldy every time
cosmic stone
You get it every run by gifting him nectar
brisk trail
also what do you mean no extrinsic value, that literally just means any value coming from the outside
quaint hatch
yeah i.e. game augumenting buffs
brisk trail
That word, I do not think it means what you think it means 🧐
you mean like Heart of Stone
I think you're a Bouldy fan POSER
quaint hatch
things coming fromn the game that manifest in your run
brisk trail
name all of Bouldy's albums.
quaint hatch
trick question
brisk trail
Intrinsic means from within
cosmic stone
Theres attack bonus, damage reduction, move speed, cast damage bonus, special damage bonus and ambiguity bonus.
brisk trail
or essential
quaint hatch
Intrinsic means from within
@brisk trail ah okay thanks for telling me
brisk trail
yw
cosmic stone
They’re called “heart of stone”
quaint hatch
i just use the word because i like how it sounbds hurr durr
brisk trail
it appears that way
quaint hatch
maybe you just dont know what i mean
brisk trail
I like the word obfuscate, and pulchritudinous
astral osprey
They’re called “heart of stone”
*heart of scone
brisk trail
sweet sweet delicious scones.
astral osprey
Mhm!
brisk trail
peach scones
brisk trail
yes. yes they do.
quaint hatch
intrinsic value because you determine the worth of it
cosmic stone
I’ve heard of them are they just like ice cream cones?
brisk trail
that's not what that word means
astral osprey
Scones are kind of like cookies in a sense
brisk trail
a scone is like a goofy biscuit
cosmic stone
Lemme look it up
quaint hatch
bruh intrinsic means coming from within
astral osprey
Yayness
brisk trail
and extrinsic means coming from outside
astral osprey
scone time
quaint hatch
in my case the value comes from my own reasoning
brisk trail
and there's a buff called Heart of Stone
that does not come from you
well your reasoning is dumb
robust sundial
Heart of Stone is a witcher thing. wink wink nudge nudge
brisk trail
stop butchering the english language
cosmic stone
ROLLINGSTONE IS A FAKE BOULDY FAN
maiden urchin
when you get the ambiguity bonus
cosmic stone
D:
brisk trail
bouldy poser
brisk trail
I can confirm.
astral osprey
ROLLINGSTONE IS A FAKE BOULDY FAN
*Rollingscone
brisk trail
You will. You will die for thanatos.
quaint hatch
stop butchering the english language
@brisk trail im not lol
cosmic stone
Ah I keep forgetting rolling scone
quaint hatch
checkmate atheist
astral osprey
That's what I'm here for ❤️
robust sundial
like a scone
brisk trail
I pet the dog like 10 times when I first saw him
maiden urchin
hell is flat in the game hades so earth is too
robust sundial
@brisk trail pet him 10 more
cosmic stone
Massive brain
cosmic stone
Zagreus probably thinks the earth is flat tbh I could imagine Zagreus and Thanatos arguing about if the earth is flat or not
brisk trail
🧐
maiden urchin
why can’t we pet bouldy
cosmic stone
Thanatos would try his best just to tell him it’s round.
astral osprey
I don't think they know about "earth"
robust sundial
intrinsic ambiguity more like
quaint hatch
stop butchering the english language
@brisk trail .
cosmic stone
They know about mortals and some can go there
brisk trail
inxtrinsic weaponized language
cosmic stone
It’s literally mortal land which is Earth
Where do you think the people who go to Hell come from?
Achilles is from Earth obviously
astral osprey
From Greece
cosmic stone
YES GREECE IS ON EARTH
brisk trail
but earth could be square. flat on each side
quaint hatch
no greece is in the video game
cosmic stone
Hasn’t Than been on Earth? Can’t he like fly to it or something.
brisk trail
he poofs a lot
quaint hatch
greece is a fictional playce
ever been there? didnt think so
only seen pictures
faked
than teleports
quaint hatch
from greece
cosmic stone
GREECE IS A PLACE ON EARTH SO ITS CONFUSING
astral osprey
I'm just saying that if someone died in Norway, Than won't be the one to collect their soul
The valkyries would
robust sundial
I smell a troll.
quaint hatch
yep because norway is a non fictional place
cosmic stone
Who is a troll?
astral osprey
Does the troll wanna have some tea and scones with me?
brisk trail
👃
pliant sparrow
Greece is obviously on mars LUL stop spreading lies
cosmic stone
Scone
brisk trail
roll the scones.
quaint hatch
scones with clotted cream
cosmic stone
Oh hey Greece is 3 hours and a half away from me
vocal ridge
does hades accepts any petition from the ghosts?
astral osprey
Ohh europe gang?
cosmic stone
It’s rare but he does @vocal ridge
quaint hatch
we are talking about greece in context of the game hades
brisk trail
is there any purpose to talking to the shades with causes of death or is it just fluff
quaint hatch
and that greece is a fictional pülace
vocal ridge
intersting
astral osprey
Fluffy fluff
quaint hatch
got em
brisk trail
yeah I do enjoy them
vocal ridge
yeah
astral osprey
Yeah like quotes from Big Bang
cosmic stone
Y’know hell doesn’t seem that bad
vocal ridge
one says: you were born 100 years after me of couse i want to know everything
is hilarous
brisk trail
I don't like big bang, my ex wanted me to watch an episode about d&d because she thought I'd really enjoy it, but the game wasn't anything like D&D and was a MOCKERY.
cosmic stone
Yw! ^^
vocal ridge
by the way
astral osprey
Yes... that's why I compared it to the shades
cosmic stone
Pay it off talk to him and you can give him ||ambrosia||!
vocal ridge
how can i use the diamonds?
astral osprey
And congrats!
quaint hatch
contractor
cosmic stone
At house contractor
marsh dune
Okay, wll do
quaint hatch
or ice out your weapons
vocal ridge
for now he has only gived me one
cosmic stone
Mauro have you gotten to the 3rd area?
brisk trail
to keep it cold
cosmic stone
If so you can use 2 diamonds to get the thing in that area that you get
astral osprey
Esp in asphodel
quaint hatch
vocal ridge
Mauro have you gotten to the 3rd area?
@cosmic stone yes but i cant defeat the boss
brisk trail
gud*
vocal ridge
when i first got there it was one but now there is two of them
astral osprey
I believe in you Mauro!
cosmic stone
That was a mini boss
vocal ridge
WHAT
cosmic stone
You can get the mini boss and the actual fight in the same run
brisk trail
they are bringing the pain now.
robust sundial
wait until you find the shade who died of dehydration
cosmic stone
So you’ll fight the Minotaur guy twice
brisk trail
if you beat up the miniboss alone though he starts with less health in the boss fight though
cosmic stone
And yeah that was a miniboss
vocal ridge
But i mean the guy and the bull at the same time
astral osprey
And now Ima get a scone and go sleeps
Gn everyone
cosmic stone
Bull by himself is a mini boss
quaint hatch
nvm fml
cosmic stone
Together is a boss
vocal ridge
oh
brisk trail
cosmic stone
Wait is that real rolling stone?
vocal ridge
OH NO
quaint hatch
And now Ima get a scone and go sleeps
Gn everyone
@astral osprey unfair
astral osprey
Hm?
brisk trail
don't forget to bring a towel
vocal ridge
The first time i got to the bull it was with the bow
in a small room
and he charges
cosmic stone
Just keep your distance
brisk trail
the bow is ranged
cosmic stone
His charge make him charge into the pillars
And yes keep your distance with the bow.
When he charged focus on running away. Don’t fight back.
quaint hatch
gotta be weary of the end lag of your attacks
cosmic stone
I recommend Athena or Aphro call to interrupt his charge attack
quaint hatch
tzhat can prevent you from dashing out of the jumjp
cosmic stone
Oh yeah also the bull’s friend has a second phase in the final fight
brisk trail
or just get a ton of dashes
cosmic stone
Just warning you
vocal ridge
i remember that the first time i used the shield i camped in a corner in the first boss XD
quaint hatch
the fun is in finding that out yourself
vocal ridge
i use god mode because i cant git gud
vocal ridge
at least it doesnt make you inmortal
vocal ridge
at least it doesnt make you inmortal
@vocal ridge this god mode is the best because it helps you but it doesnt make it a piece of cake
cosmic stone
Yeah it’s nice
I like how it gives you more damage reduction the more you die with it enabled I believe?
quaint hatch
idk id call 80% reduction p ez
vocal ridge
yeah
cosmic stone
So it isn’t high off the bat
quaint hatch
no shame still
maiden urchin
i think it caps at 60%
cosmic stone
It can go up to 80%???
quaint hatch
yes
maiden urchin
so basically turn off HL5 and you are on godmode
vocal ridge
yeah boy
cosmic stone
60% sounds more correct
quaint hatch
itsb 80
vocal ridge
good
cosmic stone
That’s hella strong
vocal ridge
its my first roguelike so its very hard for me
quaint hatch
vocal ridge
But i think this is the best roguelike
cosmic stone
Yes
quaint hatch
how can you know if its your first
vocal ridge
i seen other and they seem pretty useless the runs
brisk trail
Best roguelike in some aspects
quaint hatch
vocal ridge
in this roguelike you actually get something in all the runs
brisk trail
Some of the best combat, polish and def wins best story
cosmic stone
Rollingstone spitting fax but they’re still right
quaint hatch
but i agree 100% as someone who played many rogulikes
in this roguelike you actually get something in all the runs
@vocal ridge you do in most lol
cosmic stone
I like feeling rewarded even dying
vocal ridge
yeah
cosmic stone
I like games where it makes it not stressful dying
quaint hatch
sry ig rogulites would bve more accreate
vocal ridge
in isaac for example you win nothing but some objecst that MIGHT appear
quaint hatch
you get unlocks in isaac
but theres def less to no meta progression in the sense of the game getting easier for you
thats mostly bound to skjill there ig
vocal ridge
God death wish in hat in time was hell
@cosmic stone dont say the name of ultrea snatcher, i can beat that sneaky ghost motherf****
AND IT WAS NERFED
brisk trail
I think hades would have been just as fun even if there was no mirror mechanic
vocal ridge
NERFED
cosmic stone
Was it nerfed?
vocal ridge
Yeah
cosmic stone
I beat it before it was merged
vocal ridge
a lot
quaint hatch
I think hades would have been just as fun even if there was no mirror mechanic
@brisk trail play with the option that turns mirror off and tell me that again
brisk trail
Like if the mirror was just unlocked from the start
cosmic stone
The final where you had to beat all the powered up bosses messed me up so much but I did it in the end
brisk trail
You just chose the ability you liked
vocal ridge
Imagine making a boss so hard that you have to nerf it and its still to much hard
quaint hatch
yeah but where do speculatiuons bring us
cosmic stone
The conductor fight was actually easy but let’s not talk about HIT in #h1-discussion
quaint hatch
it is how it is and its fine how it is
vocal ridge
The final where you had to beat all the powered up bosses messed me up so much but I did it in the end
@cosmic stone i could beat all the boss only getting hit once but losing all my lives with ultra snatcher
quaint hatch
brisk trail
I mean yeah but point is I don't need meta progression to have fun, I guess
quaint hatch
sorry
@vocal ridge no worries m8
i derail a lot also
I mean yeah but point is I don't need meta progression to have fun, I guess
@brisk trail the game is built around that tho
you would have to change the whole balancing
brisk trail
True, it's a big what if
maiden urchin
also like the game would be really weird if you started with 3 DDs and all weapons
like too overwhelming
quaint hatch
you get a lot of mileage out of slowly unlocking, experiencing and adapting ye
brisk trail
At this point I'm pretty addicted to the heat climb
Almost forgot what the early game was like
heavy breach
Finally starting to feel a bottleneck in heat climbing
Haven't had an escape in 5ish runs now 😔
Damn redacted
quaint hatch
where yu at
heavy breach
highest so far is 6 I believe on sword and 5 on fists
maybe a 7 on shield but not sure
so yeah, nothing extreme
quaint hatch
huh then it prolly has to do with the pact options you are choosing
heavy breach
I've been running some mirror stuff I don't usually do
and trying to get some more butterfly runs in
tribal willow
my best was 10 on shield
agile cargo
menacing
autumn rose
I thought Olympians never actually seen how he looks
cause of Nyx shadow veil
it brings to mind, why does Zag always dedicates his nectar/ambrosia gifts with long tyrade, if they can't hear him?
or is this dedication somehow imbued into nectar and they can hear it?
hard pier
Having ||hades|| die while Demeter shouts "you reap what you sow" is so funny to me
I legit thought Thanatos killed ||Hades|| because a scythe popped up, but I guess that was Demeter
spring pawn
yeah, a sickle bro
flat vapor
scythes are meant to be farming tools 😛
hushed anchor
i just made an instrumental hip hop remix of In the Blood, can I post that here?
quaint wind
#fan-works would be best
hushed anchor
thanks
dark scroll
Only 2 DD's but... final boss... heat 32.... here... we... go...
(spoiler; I'll prob lose)
patent cedar
i had a fun run turn into a not very fun run a while ago
acoustic axle
2nd time in elysium eyooooo
patent cedar
i was cruising through elysium with a build that had me spamming artemis casts
quaint hatch
no need to tell me more+
acoustic axle
thats valid
patent cedar
things were going well until i stepped into a room filled with strongbows
just strongbows
acoustic axle
euf
quaint hatch
shoot em
dark scroll
Don't get hit.
acoustic axle
like literally just strongbows?
patent cedar
strongbows all over
acoustic axle
thats rough buddy
quaint hatch
tf
patent cedar
i can deal with like, 3 max
dark scroll
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