Lightning reflexes and extra health, "he" wants to fight me. Athena rare cast, exit wounds, higher crit, 6 casts, auto return and does he wants to fight then? Nooooooooooo.
#h1-discussion
dark scroll
flat vapor
just sounds like heat inflation to me
sharp fossil
like, sure, we add the heat numbers additively, but everyone understands that the difference between 45 and 50 is several orders of magnitude harder to the difference between 0 and 5
quiet gull
Yeah, but even then, not all 16 heat runs are equal in difficulty
sharp fossil
oh absolutely
lone patrol
what do you think is the max heat possible? 63 is straight up impossible
sharp fossil
but that’s understood
lone patrol
you literally couldnt have enough damage to beat the game in 5 minutes
trail beacon
14 runs, stuck in Mino..and Theseus.......but it still nice game 🙂
@regal solar kill mino first use the pillars to block theseus' spears.
quiet gull
but that’s understood
@sharp fossil But that's what I'm saying. Not all one heat increments are the same
sharp fossil
if i say i beat, say, RI4 FO2 DC2 with ||arthur|| no one’s gonna say that’s the same as if i beat something actually reasonable at 16
flat vapor
63/64 could be possible with insane routing and a tas 😛
regal solar
@trail beacon Thx for the advice will try 😦 very hard..... haha
lone patrol
i think the highest heat possible would be 58. everything on full except deadline and the health upgrades
burnt sapphire
i will beat full heat
lone patrol
remember you have to beat 30% extra health in 20 minutes
sharp fossil
i think you severely underestimate how good at this game some people are
lone patrol
and half the enemies oneshot you
flat vapor
isn't the record rn at 55
lone patrol
and you dont get to choose boons and no DD and you fight hades 3
you can be as good as you want, but you couldnt have enough dps to beat the time
i watched a 53 heat run and the guy was just abusing lightning aegis frisbee mode
and he was at 7 minutes, not even 5
sharp fossil
Tailesque beat 50 in 15:20
austere jacinth
... I'm impressed.
sharp fossil
i’m not sayings its by any means easy, but i think it’s stretching it to say that it isn’t humanly possible to do 63 heat in 20 mins
i mean, i remember back when max heat was like, 47 or something
people then were being like “idk if max heat is possible”
turns out it was
lone patrol
at some point every additional point of heat just increases the difficulty by an insane amount
sharp fossil
i’m not denying that
lone patrol
like this isnt dark souls nohit, where you clearly know every enemy is designed to be beaten without getting hit.
sharp fossil
we may never see an unrouted 63 heat, but i’m not sure the community’s had enough time or gathered enough data to really say conclusively that it’s impossible
personally, i fully expect a routed and/or TAS run at 63 sooner or later
how high people manage to go without that remains to be seen, but given we’ve already hit 55 i think saying we’ll never break 58 is a little premature
flat vapor
though, i haven't actually heard any news whether or not people are working on a 63/64 route or tas
lone patrol
so i just searched for it and i found a 57 heat run that was apparently before full release
where tight deadline was still 7 minutes
sharp fossil
yeah that was fully routed
lone patrol
and he ran out the clock at big bad guy boss dude
now do it again, but 8 minutes faster
sharp fossil
worth bearing in mind that TD2 pre 1.0 was harder than TD2 now, as you couldn’t carry time over
void vigil
||final boss|| is a spoiler in this channel, please spoiler tag your message
thanks 👍
sharp fossil
it’s certainly an absolutely ridiculous challenge, no one’s denying that
but pointing to past runs and saying “we’ll have to do better than that” is like... sure?
the community is growing, it’s runners are practising, new strats are being discovered
it isn’t a matter of “can they get better” but “how much better will they get”
lone patrol
ok i checked to see how much time he had left
and it just happens to be 8 minutes and 2 seconds
wait what, so it is possible?
why hasnt anyone done a full heat run on release then
sharp fossil
because it’s hard lol
lone patrol
yea, but imagine the bagging rights to being the worlds first
like happy hob being the first person to no hit dark souls
lone patrol
i think tas should be possible
with that exact routing
except you can do frame perfect shield throws
and dodge everything, so you got more time for deadline to tick down
austere jacinth
I've never heard of Happy Hob before. I don't really pay much attention to speedrunners or 'elite' gamers.
sharp fossil
and elite gamer is a gamer with armour and BP perks, i presume
flat vapor
what bp perks though 
brisk trail
what armour though 
sharp fossil
i too don’t have any armour, so sadly i lack knowledge of such things
wet marsh
wtf
||on clear 10 he lets you pass? so lame||
i wanted to kill him
i had the best build
my cast crit for 2k
austere jacinth
Spoilers, dude
lone patrol
i'd like to see a run where you have all the boons at the same time
sharp fossil
@wet marsh that’s a pretty significant spoiler, I suggest you edit your comment to tag it
wet marsh
oh you right
sharp fossil
thanks
heavy breach
I think that interaction is a pretty cool ||subversion of expectations||
lone patrol
there is this one time he is getting taunted by a fish
heavy breach
Ah, love a good ||father-son bonding session||
dark scroll
STARING CONTEST!
heavy breach
⛔
wise burrow
What do I get for getting max favor from gods like Artemis?
flat vapor
a close family bond 👍
wet marsh
sex
tepid plover
flat vapor
rule 2 🔫
austere jacinth
None of the Olympians give you that.
gusty slate
dark scroll
Finally defeated him twice in arow. (as in took a while to get proper boon setup to dare it)
nova quartz
Opens save file and remembers the mess of a Rail run I was on
brisk trellis
Is there a germand Hades discord to talk with others while u play? 
austere jacinth
Well done??
nova quartz
I forgot that hermes even had a legendary boon
I chugged half a bottle of cream soda while Alecto was raging up
Alecto gathers her inner fury, spewing sparks everywhere in a terrifying display
Zagreus to himself "Chug! Chug! Chug!"
untold rapids
long sinew
You know, it's a shame this game isn't Lovecraftian
Cuz I would totally love to press ZR to use the Call of Cthulhu 
mellow pumice
@brisk trellis no but tgere are probably some germans here
brisk trellis
@mellow pumice but no voice chats
mellow pumice
traurig
astral swift
Traurig
mellow pumice
Anyone know if you can get Ice Wine with ||beowulf||?
astral swift
<.<
brisk trellis
ok
mellow pumice
nvm i think you cant get it
dark scroll
check here; https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hell_Mode
All the weapon aspects show which or what can be used
obtuse copper
Did a few runs with benefits package, still don't have popper
for slashed benefits does that only show up at higher levels?
gusty slate
Ice wine is compatible
Don't think so, popper is Elysium only if I recall
just rng
obtuse copper
ive done a good bit of runs with it on, i guess im just hella unlucky
dark scroll
Only 1 quest remaining (if no new ones pop up later)... the hardest one... ||Damn you strings!!!||
gusty slate
Probably, the base pact should have chance at all
fringe garnet
Is anyone else slightly disappointed that post-epilogue that Demeter doesn't ||offer a new and alternate spring/summer-themed pool of boon offerings while Persephone is with her?||
dark scroll
which one is popper?
gusty slate
Elysium warriors explode?
astral swift
🥚
@mellow pumice
gusty slate
into fakes and a real soul
dark scroll
Well its got 2 levels right? So thats more chance then not.
Try to skip shops if you are in a hurry to get it. You'll prob do dozens more runs so. ;p
cloud apex
||Popper|| does take a while to appear, at least on ||BP1||
tiny sage
Weird question, but is there a known bug regarding the Targeting System Daedalus Upgrade for Exagryph?
It's the very last Upgrade I haven't gotten yet for my prophecy and I've now had 8 Exagryph runs back to back and tried with multiple different Aspects and I NEVER got it. Am I just this unlucky or am I doing smth wrong?
That said I am 130hours into the game and have never seen this upgrade to my knowledge
tiny sage
would be less annoying to me if Exagryph wasnt my least favourite weapon :')
thanks tho, guess I'll have to keep trying
quiet gull
Which aspect are you using? I think only the 4th one is incompatible with that upgrade, but still
wintry spindle
Boy I am struggling with the fists, especially ||as I increase heat||
Only barely scraped out my last run
mystic kernel
The only time ive ever done good with the fists is when i found the ability to do kick flips
flat vapor
Which aspect are you using? I think only the 4th one is incompatible with that upgrade, but still
@quiet gull nope, it’s still compatible
quiet gull
Huh, wouldnt have guessed that
wintry spindle
What does the "shine" mean for boons?
It seems like you just get a normal one
Where with hearts and poms they're doubled
steep elm
i believe it's just a higher chance for rare, epic, etc. boons
steep elm
also i still haven't gotten the charged volley hammer because i almost exclusively use chiron (and occasionally rama)
curse you fates
hushed coyote
Hera bow is fun if you like shotgunning your casts into unfortunate fools
gusty slate
also works at base unlock
steep elm
i tried hera once to get charged volley, i had the recharging cast
i beat ||hades|| p quick, but also felt like i had really bad dps early-game, even with trippy shot
wintry spindle
Holy crap I just did ||Hades|| hitless!
steep elm
nice!
wintry spindle
That felt damn good
wintry spindle
I don't think I could do it with most weapons
this was with the bow and ||rama aspect||
hushed coyote
Nah you don't need recharging cast with hera. You wanna just cram those bloodstones in there
wintry spindle
So I just specialed and specialed and made heavy use of the Poseidon call
exotic basalt
A bit of a spoiler right there, do tag it correctly
gusty slate
Happens
astral osprey
b a n t i m e
heavy breach
Bruh
I accidentally swapped to the wrong trinket and tried to do the quit thing but I pressed give up instead
I am in pain
gusty slate
Back to the drawing board, as the Fates willed it
austere jacinth
@manic lantern You can't ||beat the game|| and only then discover ||Persephone is Zag's mother.|| Can you? ||And Nyx raised him. Honestly, she and Achilles put in most of the work there.||
gusty slate
I mean, my new save I never ||slept on the bed||
things seem to be progressing
but I haven't touched it for a bit
austere jacinth
Ah. I mean, that's ||flashback though, so Zag knows from the start of the game and there are some references from other gods/convos.||
gusty slate
Oh is that how it is? I always remember that being why
manic lantern
Sorry, didn't know about the spoiler policy. Deleting my older message
Ah I see if it's a flashback, then that makes sense. I thought he goes to sleep and wakes up to find the letter
manic lantern
@austere jacinth like if you beat the game on the first try, then that has to happen right?
gusty slate
game isn't really designed to be beaten on first try though, story wise
manic lantern
Well 6th in my case. Until save sharing arrives, if people change devices it'll probably happen to them.
Although the flashback thing clears everything up (although obviously the events are supposed to happen in order generally)
austere jacinth
Yeah. ||Finding his mother is a big part of Zag's motivation to get out of the Underworld. It's the external driving force. His internal motivation is to find out where he fits in the world, as he's felt sheltered and isolated for much of his life. He thinks his mother can answer that... but it's not quite so straightforward.||
brisk trail
It might be very small detail, but I noticed a few times already that some shades that sometimes standing near Nyx, had that grinning emoji. 😂
brave arrow
I. I think I might actually get out for the first time
I just intended to see how far I could go with the twin fists, and I’m almost there
heavy breach
I assumed it was just because nyx is a super chill conversationalist
gusty slate
You got this @brave arrow 👍
brave arrow
I’m legit freaking out omg
cobalt anvil
Is it just me or is Dash Nova really buggy
brave arrow
Final boss is already at third of his health
quiet gull
Cant wait till he finds out
brave arrow
I DID IT
heavy breach
aw.. you didn't get wiped by the second health bar? 
brave arrow
s
Second?
austere jacinth
xDD
heavy breach
Aw yeah bois
brisk trail
LOL
brave arrow
She, actually
I’m more than willing to endure the second bar, I’ve got the right combo of boons
glad mist
You can do it
exotic basalt
I find it to be quite a bit less annoying than the first
glad mist
My only tip is when he gets all the staffs around him you gotta hide
gusty slate
ezpz
heavy breach
I've yet to see somebody get surprised by the second health bar and still come out on top
gusty slate
Show 'em who is boss
pure barn
Kill him!
brave arrow
I did not suffer Theseus and his annoying ass five times to die to the second phase of a boss fight
brave arrow
Half health!!
austere jacinth
Go! Go!
brave arrow
......dammit
dark scroll
Just don't die.
brave arrow
Too late
dark scroll
Oh wait wrong game.
dark scroll
Don't worry you'll fail plenty of more times. It's like real life.
brave arrow
Touhou laser looking nonsense
dark scroll
It's "educational".
heavy breach
dw about it, once you get that W, you're going to click and get W's a lot more often
austere jacinth
What's Touhou? And yeah, you'll get him next time
dark scroll
Even getting to the end once already gives you something cool.
quiet gull
Everyone gets got by the non-directional laser
brave arrow
Touhou is a bullet heck game
quiet gull
Bullet Hades
gusty slate
Witches of Asphodel revenge
heavy breach
ugh, the witches
urban igloo
Hi, can someone tell me how do i give one ambrosia to any gods?
brave arrow
I always get a perk of Athena’s just to deal with them
heavy breach
They don't even do that much damage, they just hurt my pride during ||butterfly|| runs
dark scroll
Just through playing that option will present itself.
gusty slate
Need to give them enough nectars until get to locked heart. Then RNG dialogue or favour or both really.
urban igloo
okay thanks both that's what i tough 🙂
brave arrow
Tbh I didn’t intend to make it as far as I did, I like the spear better
But I’m not about to complain
gusty slate
fist was my first clear
heavy breach
oh no please do complain, we're all gamers here
austere jacinth
xDD
dark scroll
I don't even remember my first clear.
heavy breach
god, I don't think I do either
dark scroll
Well my first clears were all act 3 finishes anyway...
Act 4 wasn't in the game yet.
So thats a little off..
heavy breach
Wait, there was a time where ||Hades|| wasn't a boss?
dark scroll
Well act 4 wasn't made at a point yet.
gusty slate
There was a time when Hydra was final boss and Zag would T-pose at the end
quiet gull
Yes, before he was in the game
dark scroll
So the game just endede after 3rd boss
maiden urchin
Yeah it used to be only up to none hydra lmao
quiet gull
During early access
heavy breach
Dang, I can't imagine finishing a whole run without losing a DD to Theseus, lol
dark scroll
And my first Switch clear was at attempt 13 but thats after pc exp already so that doens't fully count either.
So in a way I've never done a proper first clear. ;o
Ah well.
brave arrow
Zag would t-pose
He’s trying to assert dominance over Hades, of course
maiden urchin
I should try doing a fresh file clear at some point
heavy breach
Supergiant robbed you of your first clear 
maiden urchin
Zag sword with no blood... lol
heavy breach
I'm actually gonna go ingame just to check what my first clear was
quiet gull
I mean, Fresh Clear is a speedrun category if you wanna watch people attempt that
dark scroll
I didn't wanna start over at all. Crossaves and all coming. Rebuying on Switch? Hell no.
Now I got 120+ hours in Switch... no need for crossave..
gusty slate
fresh save is fun
dark scroll
Mucho grando problems and all
maiden urchin
fresh save is like RI4 but worse because you only have 4 dogs and you have to use level 0 zag sword
and no keepsakes or pets
gusty slate
It's nice to see how much you improved from your first time
gusty slate
I probably used some contorted dodge build, pre-hermes dodge nerf
heavy breach
First clear took 37 minutes, oh dear
gusty slate
I think I might've taken an hour
fathom hare
Hi, I'm thinking of buying the game on my switch but I'd only be able to play on a gamecube controller since my joycons have drift, but the gc one doesnt have all of the buttons a normal controller. Does this game use all the buttons on a normal controller or am I fine with the gc one?
open sequoia
whats a good aspect for the spear
summer flower
you really only need one stick, the four letter buttons and the triggers
open sequoia
?
summer flower
I use aspect of Zag because I'm poor and because it's well balanced
gusty slate
all the aspects are solid, depends what you want
open sequoia
wym by that?
gusty slate
They have different playstyles
Achilles aspect can really help cast builds
Hades aspect can push out some good damage
summer flower
I've been trying to experiment with different weapons
but I always end up back at the spear
gusty slate
Achilles is also a little more mobile I guess?
summer flower
because I'm a coward
fathom hare
you really only need one stick, the four letter buttons and the triggers
the gc controller is missing one of the left triggers
maiden urchin
aspect of guan yu more like aspect of charged skewer
gusty slate
4th aspect got buffed
maiden urchin
same way aspect of hera is just aspect of trippy flare
gusty slate
is that flare thing for Hera still bugged? lol
fathom hare
So I only need 2 trigger buttons right?
summer flower
right trigger for sure
to use call
but to open the codex, it's either a trigger or a plus/minus button
you can always change your keybinds too
gusty slate
yeah I heard remapping reload is important for controller
manic lantern
Anyone else so obsessed with fishing they get stuck in the animation in the 45 second rooms until something spawns and smacks them?
Has anyone got an early fish that way?
modern portal
using some guns is a pain even remapping the controller
looking at you hidden aspect
dark scroll
Reegardless getting a pro controller is never a bad idea.
If you're Dutch I'll buy the 'faulty' joycons, I can use em for the Fit I guess. ;p
torpid dome
I was bloody wondering why hades felt so similiar to bastian
made by the same people
dark scroll
MIND BLOWN!
torpid dome
also I really like how hades fully embraces the family relationships between the gods and zagarus
it was really fun talking to uncle and uncle 2
dark scroll
All games are similar in a way and wildly different and all epic.
wise stratus
Yeah but what does it do?
scarlet elbow
when you dash, it increases the damage and speed of your special if it's active and hitting enemies @wise stratus
surreal pelican
Do you ever just have like a really bad run but you have so many boons that keep you alive
Like after party and such
flat vapor
dash -> special, if you mean dashing flight
you basically gain a dash-special, but without the fancy name
flat vapor
can't blame yet, dashing flight is badly worded
gusty slate
wait really that's how that works? wow
flat vapor
pretty sure it doesn't benefit from any dash-strike boons, because it isn't technically a dash-special
though i really, really want someone to check me on this
scarlet elbow
Dashing while the special is already out applies the damage/speed boost too though
gusty slate
That's what I thought
scarlet elbow
So, it's more than just a dash special
I guess it can also be considered a delayed dash special
green pawn
What did I walk in on?
scarlet elbow
a discussion about dashing flight?
flat vapor
we should just simplify it and say you gain a dash-special lol
robust sundial
Did someone say "dashing" ? https://tenor.com/view/smashing-gif-8022994
scarlet elbow
or rather, a special-dash
flat vapor
and then there's a little tooltip to the side that says "Dash-special: Press Dash then Special for a dash-special."
scarlet elbow
not sure if it activates at the end of a dash
flat vapor
and everyone's happy and nobody gets confused by the wording on dashing flight ever again
gusty slate
totally forgets this conversation and proceeds as before
flat vapor
the tooltip is hypothetical
scarlet elbow
I mean, it still activates if the shield is already out and bouncing and you dash though
scarlet elbow
now, if it was just changed to being a dash-special like the fist has, that'd be way simpler
and easier to use prolly
flat vapor
exactly, it'd be a proper Dash-Special that would be affected by dash strike boons and the like
scarlet elbow
Ah, I see what you're saying now, yeah that'd be a much better way to do it
So, my turn to ask a question:
Has there been any updates on when cross-platform saves are coming?
gusty slate
Other than a delay, nope #announcements
flat vapor
not in october, basically
gusty slate
Also that halloween art is adorable
scarlet elbow
dang. Oh well
half pivot
would i put a hades related meme here or elsewhere?
sterile grotto
can someone help me beat hades
half pivot
twas mostly a funny clip from a stream earlier today
wise stratus
I've really bugged out my game
I got offered a styx juice while full on DDs
I bought it and it didn't do anything 😄
gusty slate
Well: I scammed 'em 😄
hard pier
The amount of stuff Styx throws at you is... Overwhelming
maiden mulch
a Hades All Weapons race was accepted for AGDQ 2021
granite ether
Poog
scarlet elbow
nice!
flat vapor
pog
wise stratus
This is the miracle run
Lost all DDs
Then ||Patroclus||
2 legendaries and lots of duos
very low max health though
all because they gave me ||thanatos|| when I couldn't attack 😄
torpid dome
welp then, back to hell. i'm really glad I started playing hades completely blind
the pet ceberus function was a very plesent suprise
gusty slate
Death Defier is what they call me
wise stratus
ahh
I see what caused it
I had 4 DDs
the 4th was just invisible
removing lucky tooth, removed the DD, but I could replenish the invisible one
versed dagger
Hey Guys, is altering saves a bad idea?
versed dagger
Well, i lost my save file and just want to have some extra resources to actually get back to what i roughly had
gusty slate
I mean it's your game, your save- also oof
I live life on the edge, no cloud saves lul...
gusty slate
Like did you delete your whole documents folder?
versed dagger
No
gusty slate
I mean, there's also a modding community so you can do as you wish to your save
versed dagger
Yeah, i never actually finished the game back in early access and was a ways off, maybe it would be nice to have a refresher of the basics again.
wise stratus
nvm nvm they were all legendary, no gem 😦
gusty slate
Your call friend 👍
wise stratus
nice 🙂
versed dagger
just imported a back up of my hard drive from the other week xD
R.I.P my other games
wise stratus
No other game matters 🙂
versed dagger
This is very true
astral lichen
Hello! Is there a way to view victory screens?
gusty slate
Past victory screens after beating redacted? don't think there is way for that specifically. However, ||admin chamber|| can show you past builds
astral swift
Quick question: is there any furniture that Hypnos interacts with? Like the Chaise Divine?
gusty slate
From what I remember he comments on a new place to sleep
but otherwise I don't remember anything else...
astral swift
More gems to trade for nectar then 
quiet gull
Hades comments right after you buy every single thing from the contractor, at least
astral swift
Ye ||he isn't here right now anyway so||
Is it any good using both the Poseidon special and attack?
sonic ridge
if you change a furniture and your dad doesn't comment on it, does it even exist?
brisk trail
I have some slight tinnitus and its dead quiet so i just have to deal with a silent eeeeeeeeee constantly
sonic ridge
Put some noise on
lunar cypress
Tinnitus is awful, and I hate when games use it for explosive effects
astral swift
:0
lunar cypress
I hear it enough as-is
brisk trail
Also i was wondering if a cast based thing (not hera aspect) is a thing
sonic ridge
I hope one day we cure tinnitus so we can hear the earth's screams again
lunar cypress
Cast builds work if you plan them out from the get go
sonic ridge
cast good
lunar cypress
Otherwise you can't really semi-build into them I've found
gusty slate
Cast builds tend to have greater effect from duos
brisk trail
Oh wait
quiet gull
Cast builds usually require a high level aspect to work
Like Poseidon, Achilles or Hera
brisk trail
I should probably not be using casts that stick to enemies
quiet gull
Cause otherwise it's not enough damage
lunar cypress
Depends on the build
ebon basin
If i have hades on the switch and i wanna play it on pc do i probably have to buy the pc version too?
lunar cypress
Sticking in enemies + exit wounds + pos aspect
That + infernal soul is just like 300 + damage , plus the cast initial damage and any debuff...
sonic ridge
Yea
ebon basin
Ah alr
sonic ridge
It's 20% off now too iirc
brisk trail
I dont know the mirror buff names but im pretty sure its all purple except for the first buff
gusty slate
Pos cast with Dem duo is pretty scary
brisk trail
Alright im gonna see what i can do
ebon basin
Hera bow trippy shot makes bosses a joke first 2 stages
gusty slate
Can do mixed builds too, Dio cast with damage resist inside fog is pretty nice for melee
astral swift
AHHHHHHHHHHH
brisk trail
Unless i run a cast build (which i never do) i dont really take casts that dont lodge into foes because of the damage buff
astral swift
I ACCIDENTALLY GOT A CHAOS BOON WHICH PREVENTED ME FROM USING THE ATTACK BUTTON 1 ENCOUNTER TOO LATE AND I MANAGED TO BEAT MAGARA USING ONLY MY SPECIAL AND AN UNBOONED CAST WITHOUT TAKING ANY DAMAGE 
brisk trail
So trippy shot and the blade rift casts are among my least picked boons
Pog
A zag pogchamp emoji would be nice
sonic ridge
you mean cursed
brisk trail
Cursed but nice
sonic ridge
That chaos boon made me value specials more tbh
I barely used them before I got on that same situation with tisiphone
brisk trail
I just deadass never take the "take ? damage when attacking"
Its never worth having to spam specials over and over for like 4 encounters
brisk trail
Please write an apology letter to zagreus
He takes 21 health just to walk away
Not being able to shoot his bow for 3 and a half minutes
sonic ridge
why? He can shoot
proper karma
Heya. I'm still new. Hot take: Lv 1 aspect of eris isn't good. And Zag rail feels great with as little as 2-3 blood invested.
sonic ridge
Just needs to it on a spread pattern :^)
brisk trail
Whats the eris aspect again
sonic ridge
Ye
proper karma
Be in rail special explosion get a damage bonus. At lv5 its +75% bonus dmg. However, it's only +15% at rank 1.
brisk trail
Mk
Zag rail aspect is nice but also kinda boring and a bit unnecessary imo
Just
Reload and dodge somewhere
gusty slate
but I like spamming bullets!
stiff aurora
Is my character suppose to be blurry on 1440p? Is this a thing with the game or is it a problem with just me
proper karma
Well my perspective is "I barely have any blood and Im still learning". So the constant reloads is jarring for how little I get out of it for only +15%.
brisk trail
Blurry?
I believe the switch display is 720p and i dont have any issues with bluriness
stiff aurora
yeah my characters isn't really upscaled to 1440p like the bacground and other things
talking on PC btw
rich grotto
if it looks blurry on pc, check the display settings - make sure the game is set to whatever resolution your display uses.
stiff aurora
everything s set correctly, only thing that doesn't upscale to 1440p is my character, backgrounds and NPC are at 1440p
rich grotto
it might be something in your graphics card settings, or maybe an issue with the driver itself.
winter pike
Ok literally is guan yu supposed to be good because I heard so many people talking about it but I literally HATE IT
gusty slate
At maxed it does some impressive damage, with less of a drawback*
...if you can dodge
lunar cypress
Guan is uh. Different.
sonic ridge
have you upgraded it?
winter pike
No
lunar cypress
The penalty is super heavy and I don't like the slowness of the moveset in combination with it
winter pike
That's the issue
gusty slate
The drawback is pretty severe
winter pike
The penalty is super heavy and I don't like the slowness of the moveset in combination with it
@lunar cypress yes exactly
gusty slate
Max makes it a little easier to handle...
rich grotto
i have to constantly remind myself to use any of the spear variants' charge/spin -- and it's way more beneficial to that aspect.
sonic ridge
oh yea, it sucks if you don't
sonic ridge
imagine spinning
winter pike
I typically avoid the spin attack on spear anyways
lunar cypress
Guan basically requires you to use the spin and get hammers for it
winter pike
The only time I really use it is if I get a good boob from Hermes that speeds it up a lot
Yeee
rich grotto
there are a couple of daedelus hammer upgrades that make the spin better/easier to use, which could probably even things out a bit.
brisk trail
Yeah supposedly its only good if you level it up
lunar cypress
Since how it works, is it IS your sustain
winter pike
Gotchq
lunar cypress
Cuz it kills the other types
winter pike
This run is shot but at least I know now lol
brisk trail
Oh also i ended my most recent clear with 492 max hp
winter pike
Nniiccee
brisk trail
Didnt even use the collar
gusty slate
Aphro hp up increases, lots of hearts
I still need to get to 600 hp...
got 550 once
gusty slate
I just want to be beef
sonic ridge
big tank
gusty slate
nothing special
sonic ridge
Just beat up redacted
astral swift
Mfw Aphrodite never gave me an hp increase
brisk trail
Btw
On the coast is a really nice song
Actually downloaded it
Oh gods i just had a cursed idea
winter pike
Does the name || Lernie || count as a spoiler
quaint hatch
Most prolly won't know what it refers to unless they do
brisk trail
Cast run went meh
Died on mr big bad
I suffered alot with single targets but atleast i got them to 40/200hp
quaint hatch
I mean you need certain aspects for decent cast build
A bit of good ol luck
brisk trail
I had poseidons aspect
maiden urchin
i prefer crystal beam for my cast builds
brisk trail
A bit of good luck is always needed
maiden urchin
unless i’m using aspect of hera
brisk trail
Its the butter to the bread of roguelikes
maiden urchin
dislodge the beam from nothing
quiet gull
Crystal bean with poseidon
Nice
@quaint hatch Done it with Stygian Soul, it's great
quaint hatch
Or I could just run it with achilles for the bigger damage bonus
And also not make poseidons gimmick useless
quiet gull
Yeah but then you're using Achilles, ew
maiden urchin
crystal beam with aspect of eris
quaint hatch
Well I'm using my cast most of the time either way
quiet gull
Eris isnt really a cast aspect, the damage is just too insane
gusty slate
Eris is that jack of all trades that is just too good
pulsar timber
what's the cerberus active ability that I've seen some streamers use, and how do you get it?
gusty slate
The keepsake?
main seal
hey! not sure where the best place to ask this is, but- i've been having an issue where (story/nyx) ||nyx won't return to the house after visiting chaos-- i think i'm waiting on chaos to acknowledge that nyx visited them. i talked to nyx in the realm of chaos and she's not there anymore, and it's been >10 runs since then.|| i kinda need her to come back so i can advance a bunch of other storylines- is this something anyone else has seen?
quiet gull
After you get Nyx and Chaos to reunite, Nyx will be at the house less often
main seal
yep! i figured as much, but i literally haven't seen her since paying the darkness to open up that portal
leaden patio
One message removed from a suspended account.
quiet gull
Happens
main seal
fair enough
quiet gull
When in doubt, it's RNG
main seal
oh, for sure. i was just wondering if there was something i hadn't hit-- chaos also hasn't acknowledged that nyx ever visited, so maybe i'm just waiting for that dialogue to trigger
main seal
love it
i guess i'm gonna keep taking every chaos gate and hope that they'll acknowledge it lol
main seal
i guess it is fitting that chaos is giving me randomness issues 🤔
rose nexus
how do yall feel about hypnos bc i think he's great
austere jacinth
He's lovely. I think he has some very forward-thinking ideas. ||Like a monthly rapture so he can get bro time.||
gusty slate
I gave him a softer place to sleep
austere jacinth
I want to steal his duvet-cape...
gusty slate
one of the first renovations I got
austere jacinth
I got a dog bed and dog toys first xDD
rose nexus
im all over the place with the renovations
its so addicting to grind the game i wanna play forever x.x
gusty slate
I mean there's infinite gameplay effectively
brisk trail
Apple bottom beans
ebon basin
Ive bought all the bedroom things and then loungue things
vestal plank
keepsakes can be swapped mid run if you have that upgrade for the shop to appear between stages.
if you swap between them the effects dont carry. like skellys item. gonna assume the same for like butterfly, health boost, and various others?
brisk trail
Jock pog
ebon basin
U lose the buffs if u take em off i think the inly exception is the coin purse
U can start with that and get the bonus gold then swap it out next room
Ah yea
Its most useful in styx tho i feel
Only procs what 3 times in tart?
weary urchin
nah asphodel and tartarus are both shorter than that
weary urchin
i guess if you're counting the end of the region fountain rooms
but yeah asphodel is 10 chambers iirc
brisk trail
Elysium room with the lookout is chamber 26
brisk trail
And i dont know past that
Also i know that the short chambers in styx dont affect the lament plume and the pierced butterfly
gusty slate
works if I recall
brisk trail
Mk
gusty slate
too OP
brisk trail
ebon basin
Meh
The dodge is cool but the damage is meh
I like chaos buffs more than butterfly
Ive gotten it up to 50%
granite ether
||persephone's keepsake|| is considered a spoiler, please use spoiler tags
gusty slate
Not all rooms generate though
ebon basin
Mah
brisk trail
Pierced butterfly is kinda wack
ebon basin
Non encounter rooms dont proc butterfly
gusty slate
I like damage and all, but idk the dodge and move speed from plume is pretty terrifying
gusty slate
Enemy attack doesn't exist
brisk trail
Yeah
vestal plank
uh oh ||my second 'borrow' gold event||
ebon basin
Do it
brisk trail
If you get some good luck with hermes boons you can pretty reliably get a constant 50-80 dodge change
ebon basin
If u have an alr setup already
gusty slate
Use the Ruthless Dash
brisk trail
If you are in tartarus dont
ebon basin
False
gusty slate
big dodge go brrr
granite ether
dodge chance is inverse multiplicative
brisk trail
Honestly
ebon basin
His slash is easy to evade
gusty slate
Oh is it?
granite ether
yep
ebon basin
Just dash through it
gusty slate
How is it calculated o.O?
granite ether
so is DR
ebon basin
Explain
gusty slate
grabs notepad
ebon basin
Whats inverse multiplicative
ebon basin
I like Marh in games
brisk trail
ebon basin
But alot do the number differently
brisk trail
Or else
quaint hatch
-Dodge Calc: damage resistance and dodge are all multiplicative
dodge is: (1-x%) * (1-x%) * (1-x%)
each dodge percentage you aquire gets counted seperately and multiplied
granite ether
((1-0.x)(1-0.y)(1-0.z)) to dermine one's chance of getting hit
quaint hatch
Nice timing xD
ebon basin
Oh ew
gusty slate
ohhhh
granite ether
that's inverse multiplictive
granite ether
same thing happens with DR
vestal plank
brisk trail
Ok and
quaint hatch
It looks more complicated than it actually is xD
And I say that as a D- math sgudeng
Student
That can't even write apparently
ebon basin
Yea its just each dodge chance u have multiplied by the next right?
gusty slate
I'm still building dodge builds lul
quaint hatch
Each dodge chance gets subtracted from 100%
quaint hatch
Then multiplied
brisk trail
By
quaint hatch
Each other
granite ether
and it determines the chance of getting hit
brisk trail
Oh
quaint hatch
If you only have one instance if dodge it doesn't get multiplied
ebon basin
So what you're saying is if i get "100%" dodge chance it isnt 100
granite ether
so you do 1 - getting hit chance to determine your dodge chance%
quaint hatch
It doesn't count your chance if not getting hit
It sums up you're chance if getting hit
There is no 100% dodge chance
Cause it's not additive
ebon basin
Thats what i mean
brisk trail
And what is the point of doing all this instead of just
ebon basin
Alr got it
quaint hatch
You can't reach 100% with one boon
brisk trail
40% chance means 40% chance to not get hit
gusty slate
I can get pretty close >:D
granite ether
you can get 50% with Ruthless reflex
quaint hatch
It's from keeping dodge from others playing the game for you
high copper
so something like Zag Fists + Hermes Keepsake + Hermes dodge boon + Post-call hermes dodge boon
brisk trail
Zag fists are 15
gusty slate
Slap on ruthless
brisk trail
Ruthless reflex is 50
gusty slate
much fun
brisk trail
So 65
high copper
would be 1-each one, multiplied multiple times
quaint hatch
Not 65
scarlet elbow
Do we know if dodge is additive or multiplicative?
quaint hatch
It would be (100-50)*(100-15)
high copper
precisely
quaint hatch
-Dodge Calc: damage resistance and dodge are all multiplicative
dodge is: (1-x%) * (1-x%) * (1-x%)
each dodge percentage you aquire gets counted seperately and multiplied
@quaint hatch .
gusty slate
Have a drink it'll wake you up
scarlet elbow
Yeah, I always assumed dodge wouldn't be additive, just like resistances, that'd be pretty crazy
high copper
Math is just Numbers that make your head hurty
quaint hatch
But you're game goody if you understand
brisk trail
Its 3am i should not be drinking nectar
granite ether
so something like Zag Fists + Hermes Keepsake + Hermes dodge boon + Post-call hermes dodge boon
@high copper that works out to be ~70.6% dodge chance
brisk trail
gusty slate
Hah, I don't math in Hades I just go with my gut feeling
high copper
BUUUUUURN
ebon basin
granite ether
assuming 30% from hermes keepsake and 15% hermes boon
quaint hatch
29,4% of the time
high copper
that's still pretty dang good
ebon basin
100%
quaint hatch
Yes
vestal plank
So that means redacted is gonna hit me 100% of the time
@ebon basin this
quaint hatch
What I said
brisk trail
Doesnt hermes have a straight up dodge boon
gusty slate
Ye
ebon basin
So question then
granite ether
||Hades fight|| is spoilers in this channel btw @ebon basin
gusty slate
Hades emotional crits hit 100% of the time
brisk trail
Whats the highest passive dodge you can get then
ebon basin
Oof
gusty slate
All at the convenience of his chair
ebon basin
What about dr
granite ether
~80% from memory
gusty slate
legendary sword is bonkers
granite ether
also inverse multiplicative AuX
brisk trail
I bet yall cant not cry during the last 20 seconds of on the coast
ebon basin
Dr is probably more consistent
brisk trail
I dare you
quaint hatch
~80% from memory
@granite ether slap god mode on that boy
brisk trail
Aux i sincerely hope we arent in the same timezone
shrewd void
Can I ask 2 questions?
brisk trail
No
shrewd void
First
brisk trail
I said no
shrewd void
When do I unlock the usage of titan blood
brisk trail
But mk
gusty slate
Unlock all the weapons and do a run
gusty slate
Invest keys into all of them
quaint hatch
Give the game everything
shrewd void
And when do I unlock the different hidden aspects
brisk trail
Random interactions
gusty slate
That's a later game question, there are specific pre-reqs
quaint hatch
Slide your credit card in the cd reader
gusty slate
If you dare, they're pinned in #h1-story-discussion , I'd wait a bit though
quaint hatch
There's a pinned comment in #h1-story-discussion
brisk trail
Can somebody like
shrewd void
K
brisk trail
Force me to go to bed
quaint hatch
gusty slate
says go to bed
quaint hatch
SLEP
quaint hatch
Sweet dreams of stone
ebon basin
Its only 10pm where im at
brisk trail
Is andesite ok
quaint hatch
You rock
ebon basin
Btw
brisk trail
😳
quaint hatch
3:19 am
rose nexus
the food in hades is not burrito. it is a g y r o
ebon basin
Ah i get off at 4am
rose nexus
wheeze
quaint hatch
I like underworld burrito
rose nexus
i thought it was a burrito forever until i realized its a gyro
vestal plank
i cant tell if that murder murder quote thats pinned in story spoilers is just a joke someone posted in the server
gusty slate
Poms are pizzas.
vestal plank
or if its an actual quote
quaint hatch
All serious
gusty slate
We're quite serious on discord here
quaint hatch
...
vestal plank
ebon basin
Yo that sheild death quote from hypnos is kinda hilarious
quaint hatch
Punch
quaint hatch
That'll suffice
shrewd void
At least until I need to use em
quaint hatch
In the end you're likely gonna use every weapon for Unlocks
shrewd void
Yeah true
But im using the weapons that have shadow thirst atm
My last run was a shield run
Bouncy shield with a ton of hangover damage
Hell, the hangover damage did more than the shield throw itself
quaint hatch
That's the point
tepid plover
Shadow thirst bounces between all weapons
shrewd void
I got to || Hades' || second phase for the first time
tepid plover
Is random
shrewd void
Ik that
quaint hatch
Spoiler tag
shrewd void
I'm just using the weapon that has it at that moment
quaint hatch
|| both sides
tepid plover
quaint hatch
Boss name is spoiler
tepid plover
Zagreus is the final boss
gusty slate
is the final boss
shrewd void
There
vestal plank
tepid plover
quaint hatch
quaint hatch
That's besides the point
shrewd void
Whatever, rules is rules
quaint hatch
1.0 isn't out for long
And this and new player are spoiler free because they're predominantly for new players
quaint hatch
No worries
hushed coyote
I just tried to chase down a spreader in an Erebus gate using the redacted aspect of the rail. And the bugger just kept Benny Hilling around a pillar.
gusty slate
Fear is a great motivator
hushed coyote
I could not damage it without taking damage myself xD
I've never been so mad at an enemy xD
shrewd void
Also, Is it normal to have trouble with the first and third bosses and then steamroll the second one?
gusty slate
Everything is normal
vestal plank
third boss i can understand. that one took me a few runs to figure out
quaint hatch
Third is road block for most
shrewd void
Ok
alpine fulcrum
so i guess after you escape ||10 times, the fishing point that would be on the way to the cottage just gets shunted to the hades arena||
gusty slate
Seems so yeah
I sorta thought we lost them though
Could've sworn that one could spawn normally
alpine fulcrum
i mean they could just adjust its odds so its mathematically equivalent
or they could be big jerks and make it so you have less chance for the best fish
gusty slate
Need to make it independent of Styx one though then also?
Isn't there a 10 room 'cooldown'
alpine fulcrum
oh yeah i knew there was some kind of cooldown
i should 'fish' for the poseidon boon so i can get more grecian fish
quaint hatch
Eh
shrewd void
When do I unlock ||heat||
quaint hatch
After first clear
gusty slate
Beat final boss
shrewd void
Damn
gusty slate
Or play Hell mode.
shrewd void
Isn't hell mode a lot harder tho?
alpine fulcrum
buy a ||space heater||
gusty slate
You're not one of the cult members until you beat the final boss... or play hellmode
alpine fulcrum
hell mode technically raises the ||heat level|| but doesnt like, benefit you in any way, im pretty sure
gusty slate
Tied by blood and darkness, the ||Pact|| rules all
shrewd void
Is hell mode just stat changes?
shrewd void
How does it change it tho? Stats or ai or what
gusty slate
Must have atleast 5 ||heat|| at all times, no?
quaint hatch
Takes your natural invulnerability after big damage away f.e.
quaint hatch
Own it
alpine fulcrum
hades second heart is harder to unlock than i thought
gusty slate
We run away from home, amongst other things
Dad is part of the Olympian family... grudges run deep
ebon basin
Dads everywhere kinda suck huh
Cant even escape through video games for that
Feels bad
Phones dying hope u all have a great night
gusty slate
You too, stay safe
astral swift
I hav the theme song stuck in my head now 👁👄👁
thorn tendon
wtf is an ||ambiguity bonus||
sonic ridge
It's a ||bit ambiguous||
alpine fulcrum
yay just got the phrase for ||excalibur||