Genius player: purging attack boon so you can use ||sisyphus keepsake|| against ||Dad||
#h1-discussion
oak shore
atomic seal
lol I once manage to upgrade artimus crit chance boon to near 24+ level
it was stupid
idk how I pass that whole run without any boon but just that
zealous galleon
i love using ||dad's keepsake|| against ||dad||
oak shore
Highest level I've ever got on a single boon was, like, 11?
That was with ||Mom keepsake|| for the whole run which was just cos I wanted to level it
heavy breach
Hoarded 2400 gold because of gold daedalus hammer
atomic seal
lv27 for me I think
oak shore
I haven't yet tried ||Dad keepsake||, actually. Gotta get around to that
atomic seal
only manage to do it cuz of duo boon that make all pom give +1 upgrade
wheat kayak
ngl I absolutely love ||Pom Blossom||
oak shore
||Mom Blossom|| is great yeah
wheat kayak
Almost no reason for me to not pick it during my runs unless I want to force a build, which I don't do as often anymore
atomic seal
I was also using ||mom's keepsake||
oak shore
It's good for, like, deciding not to shape a run
hexed trail
I usually only rock it for one floor and I feel like I need to change that
heavy breach
but that butterfly DAMAJ tho
wheat kayak
I think two regions is pretty good
heavy breach
(ignore the fact I'm not good enough to get it past +20%)
wheat kayak
Or if you are very confident, run it all the way
oak shore
Does the pom upgrade affect ||Mom's keepsake||?
atomic seal
if yes then no
wheat kayak
if it did it'd be ridiculous yeah
atomic seal
it remain +1 rng
oak shore
if yes then no
@atomic seal
If I did it no I didn't
oak shore
Yeah I'd come across that before
atomic seal
if you want to hit 20+ level you also need re-roll stone for chamber
use your stones on styx
get double skull pom chambers
oak shore
The part of me that loves emergent synergies is kinda sad that they've restricted a lot of the upgrades that way, but I get it
mossy kraken
except pressure points
wheat kayak
seeing that you have incredible control over what you can build, I think there'd have been less restrictions if the game played like the last three talents don't exist (even at RI1 fated keys still give you rerolls)
atomic seal
most useless boon upgrade is prob ares cast
its so less
same goes for dio poison attack
mossy kraken
I mean you should always get level 2 if possible
oak shore
Ares cast is great if you can get the ||seeking and pulling|| upgrades but as a base it's not great unless you have enemies cornered
wheat kayak
Oh that's for sure though I'd argue that Ares cast is a little stronger than base Demeter cast
without Glacial Glare, Crystal Clarity etc
oak shore
Base Demeter cast is def worse but I always take it because I love the upgrades
I am trash Demeter fan she's my favourite god for boons
heavy breach
does demeter cast work with zeus/arty duo boon?
mossy kraken
I had a run where I got ares red cast with the bigger aoe, demeter duo and chill burst
hexed trail
Yeah I'm not crazy about them on their own but they can lead to Hunting Blades and Crystal Clarity which are both pretty awesome
mossy kraken
that was p awesome
wheat kayak
Zeus/Artemis works as long as you did not take Stygian Soul
atomic seal
I never find arti and zeus duo boon game changing
wheat kayak
Very few duos are at that level
atomic seal
I wish that duo boon still strike lighting even if cast is stick to your foe
wheat kayak
But it's quite a bit of extra damage, more if you have been running Zeus focus
atomic seal
that way it would be so good
wheat kayak
Even better if you run Hera/hidden shield
its utility isn't apparent I'd say until you realised it might have killed some lesser enemies on its own while you weren't paying attention, or actually dealing damage to redacted while you are hiding behind a pillar during their 360 deg beam attack
oak shore
I love redacted taking damage while you're hiding
atomic seal
does it work if your crystal beam roam?
oak shore
I always feel like a rascal
atomic seal
or ares cast
wheat kayak
Works with all cast as long as you aren't running Stygian Soul, i.e. it drops a bloodstone that you need to pick up
glad mica
psa: learn prerequisites for duo boons and don't be like me, who blindly chooses random boons
runic lintel
Best duo boon is athena + demeter
atomic seal
lmfao
@wheat kayak guess what I got xd https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440195976880455680/771003813398183936/unknown.png
wheat kayak
floral merlin
So there was a patch yesterday, but still no Switch cross saves?
atomic seal
what the..
that duo is actually good
I didnt know blast radii is so huge
they're working on it
heavy breach
Artemis never disappoints
mossy kraken
do you have the bigger lightning radius too
heavy breach
Except when she gives you 3 commons when you have her keepsake but we don't talk about that
atomic seal
nope I don't but radii at which it detect enemy is so huge
mossy kraken
if you wanna really meme look for chaos debuffs that prevent bloodstone pickup lol
atomic seal
I could leave the cast somewhere and it can kill enemies lmao
it killed hydra side heads easily while I take care of other side
yeah imma try that
heavy breach
if you wanna really meme look for chaos debuffs that prevent bloodstone pickup lol
Literally got that boon the first time I picked up the duo
mossy kraken
noice
oak shore
TBH I don't bother checking prerequisites unless I have a really specific boon I'm hunting for
heavy breach
Always satisfying when chaos' tomfoolery becomes a positive somehow
oak shore
And even then a lot of them are pretty self explanatory, like tier 2 stuff unlocking after you take a base
wheat kayak
What did I tell you
mossy kraken
I just settle for the stuff I get by getting my favorite modifiers
wheat kayak
Lightning Rod is really good
glad mica
bruh, I literally just pick up boons from two gods which duo boon I need and go like: "this should work 5Head"
oak shore
That's the BDE move yeah
The only things which tend not to be intuitive for me are the legendaries
atomic seal
this is prob first time I tried lighting rod and its killing more than I do lol
oak shore
Finding out I had to take ||that one random tier 2 in order to get Athena legendary|| confused me so much
wheat kayak
Athena legendary only good for prophecy ngl
fleet hazel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771005710217117727/771005789636788304/IMG_20201028_203910.jpg
Random gem farm run
atomic seal
does jolted effect lighting rod? xd
wheat kayak
It should
atomic seal
time to pick xd
fleet hazel
Poseidon cast
glad mica
I don't even know how I got legendary Artemis boon those 2 times
and it's not even that good, tbh
oak shore
Actually, non-gameplay question: were any of you really surprised when you got the ||family portrait after the first ending|| and saw that Zag's skin isn't grey?
wheat kayak
Zeus focus makes everything related to thunder incredibly strong
heavy breach
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771005710217117727/771005789636788304/IMG_20201028_203910.jpg
@fleet hazel you can press Windows key + shift + S to take a picture of a part of your screen
fleet hazel
Its switch
heavy breach
ah
wheat kayak
I'm more surprised that Hades is drawn to be darker skinned than his ingame and normal portrait
fleet hazel
heavy breach
I'm duumb
wheat kayak
Like man's been underground for eons without sunlight I get it
Actually now that you bring it up Zag should be more pale than he is now
fleet hazel
Poseidon cast is fun
oak shore
I legit just though Zag had grey skin as part of his design
heavy breach
I keep forgetting
oak shore
Like Meg being blue
heavy breach
but that bonus damage thoo
atomic seal
flame wheels are suddenly joke with lighting rod
just throw it somewhere and go afk to talk here
xd
glad mica
I though about saying something on the case of Zag's skin
but then I though: "wait, no, that's dumb and doesn't sound right"
mossy kraken
if I use a cast its only certain ones, otherwise they're just filling prereqs for some duo
oak shore
I love flame wheels with most of the damage dashes
fleet hazel
I love cast
oak shore
You just run away and they die following you
fleet hazel
I play cast with every weapon
atomic seal
lighting rod clear chamber while afk
wheat kayak
F
heavy breach
one magnetic cutter run later
oak shore
Same! First time I came across the ||shop item that turns off flame wheels|| I was so confused
oak shore
"Why would I pay money for that"
heavy breach
I still wouldn't buy that item unless I'm playing with a very short range build
mostly because of pride
solemn cedar
flame wheels like to drive around your shield though!
wheat kayak
Same goes for Asterius
fleet hazel
Hold block in a corner
wheat kayak
when I really need him to run into my shield
fleet hazel
atomic seal
also yeah jolted is affected by lighting rod if anyone curious
oak shore
Yeah I almost never buy well items outside of ||Styx|| where they might help me against redacted
heavy breach
I almost always buy something from the well
wheat kayak
They are probably better if I wasn't perpetually short on obols + had Charon's keepsake + had his ||membership card||
dark root
I love ||Kiss of Styx|| it's so good
heavy breach
I prefer ||kiss of patty||
dark root
But yeah, I always buy things from it
mossy kraken
I buy the fish one before chaos zones and the yarn, that's basically it
wheat kayak
Hourglass makes every item lasts an entire region
oak shore
I think as I get better and reach ||higher heats|| I might gain more appreciation for wells
heavy breach
Well just makes stuff go faster
wheat kayak
so it might be worth if you don't turn on CF and have trouble with dealing damage
idk though
oak shore
Hourglass is rad yeah, I've started ||taking it for Styx|| a lot now that I've stopped needing ||Skelly's keepsake||
heavy breach
I don't play a lot with convenience fee, I like buying stuff
wheat kayak
I turned it on like once
oak shore
I've barely experimented with the ||Pact|| outside of the basic stuff like ||Extreme Measures||
wheat kayak
I'd say the most fun you get out of it is in the later half of the ||pact||
queen wharf
Two points into ||Tight Deadline is basically free||
wheat kayak
entirely run changing conditions that isn't +stat - stat (though LC, CF is very impactful too)
oak shore
Actually yeah I've never touched ||Tight Deadline|| I should give it a go
heavy breach
I'm only doing it for the minor fates prophecy
mossy kraken
it's free real estate
oak shore
I just really enjoy ||Extreme Measures||
heavy breach
||Tight deadline|| is alright, just pause when choosing rooms and spam that spacebar
What doe MM mean again
mossy kraken
||middle management||
heavy breach
Oh, I'm actually scared of that one
wheat kayak
RI, AP to make your life hellish (heh)
heavy breach
hehe
mossy kraken
also I like ||extreme measures but it makes theseus look so ridiculous x)||
wheat kayak
actually FO1 is more dangerous than RI1 by a mile, probably
solemn cedar
imo EM3 makes ||theseus easier. The aoes are easier to dodge than his spear||
heavy breach
Besides, who doesn't want ||chariot tank man to be a boss?||
wheat kayak
Oh right here's the condition that I guess people didn't realise its true power
HS
Time to die to Styx traps and redacted urns in one shot
heavy breach
||Elysium arros on HS|| make me cry
hexed trail
HS giving just a single point is madness
wheat kayak
formal terrace
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a chat with so many spoiler tags.
solemn cedar
||that evil laugh he does as he rides across the arena firing hit guns||
heavy breach
Hades is super hard to talk about without spoiling
mossy kraken
HS with the one well item is funny, especially when you use it against enemies
formal terrace
Yeah, no doubt.
oak shore
I like ||Benefits Package|| a lot, learning what all the different effects are and how to work around them has been fun
heavy breach
Actually yeah, HS is a buff if you're not dumb like me
hexed trail
I always forget that HS applies to magma, too
hexed trail
Yup
solemn cedar
also ||the urns with hades x_x||
hexed trail
Learned that the hard way
final zephyr
also ||the urns with hades x_x||
YEAH
mossy kraken
just get red sure footing and become immune
formal terrace
HS would kill me every run. I’m such a klutz.
final zephyr
hs was one of the first ones i picked and used a lot bc "i barely get into traps" which is true
wheat kayak
wait would Heroic Sure Footing actually have 100% damage reduction
oak shore
The fact that ||Tight Deadline removes autoscroll rooms|| is interesting
mossy kraken
it's 95% but magma even on HS does no damage to me
heavy breach
||autoscroll rooms?||
wheat kayak
final zephyr
then i got to ||hades urns|| and got oneshotted by that and never again
wheat kayak
I assume he means survival rooms
solemn cedar
does it? I felt it just stops the timer
formal terrace
That’s a buff. Survival rooms are meh.
hexed trail
It stops the timer for rooms with Thanatos
zealous galleon
imo EM3 makes ||theseus easier. The aoes are easier to dodge than his spear||
@solemn cedar other way around when you use shield
solemn cedar
though actually I don't think I've seen them for a while come to think of it
hexed trail
But the survival rooms are removed completely
quaint hatch
If you take TD it keeps survival rooms from appearing
But you can use survival rooms for farming gold
formal terrace
I just learned that you max out at 4 gods. What other deep, dark secrets does this game have?
wheat kayak
4 gods + Hermes + Chaos
quaint hatch
If you have a chaos boon that increases money earned and just keep on killing enemies
mossy kraken
you can get 6 actually, but you'll be too spread out
wheat kayak
Survival room + JS is just obol farming room yeah
mossy kraken
you get the 4 gods at the start and use keepsakes for gods you dont have
wheat kayak
Though I noticed Infernal Trove mobs don't drop gold at all
heavy breach
aw, that's unfun
quaint hatch
You use the keepsakes in the first two stages to get your build done by then
heavy breach
gimme gold dammit
alpine fulcrum
oh that might be important to know for family favorite
mossy kraken
every time I've done it I've failed horribly though
because you dont specialize lol
quaint hatch
I still prefer fam fav tho
wheat kayak
25% realistically for FF since Hermes counts but not Chaos
wheat kayak
Yeah I used to love PS but now FF is my new best talent
formal terrace
What are everyone’s ‘keepsake’ strategies? Mine’s lately been ‘just use lambent plume’.
solemn cedar
oh wait so only up to 4 separate gods can appear per run??
quaint hatch
PS is very nichr
You use the keepsakes in the first two stages to get your build done by then
@quaint hatch after that purse then acorn
wheat kayak
Remember when the game doesn't have alt talents
tidal depot
Does Sigil of Death enhance 1st hit damage?
wheat kayak
and PS is all you have
formal terrace
@solemn cedar: once you’ve taken your 4th different god, only those 4 gods will be offered.
quaint hatch
I don't want to xD
wheat kayak
I have been running purse, ||pom blossom|| then acorn or ||sigil|| for Styx
God keepsake optional
alpine fulcrum
that limit is probably meant to help you out actually
solemn cedar
oh that's super good to know! Yeah it'd keep you from being too spread out
formal terrace
||Pom blossom|| feels great it in Styx.
quaint hatch
Unless you're doing plume or butterfly
wheat kayak
I usually build by ear unless there's a god that I want isn't known to be in the pool
quaint hatch
Pom blossom is awful in styx
wheat kayak
then I force keepsake
quaint hatch
The little rooms don't count
mossy kraken
@formal terrace Coin purse -> god trinket -> god trinket -> spearpoint (if I've got 250+ health) / ||hades call if I have no aid|| / ||pom if I'm sitting comfortably||
wheat kayak
It does count though
quaint hatch
Playstyle ig
wheat kayak
Plume/Butterfly doesn't
quaint hatch
I pre plan builds
formal terrace
You sure about that vo1di?
quaint hatch
Yes
formal terrace
Huh...
tidal depot
Does Sigil of Death enhance first hit damage?
quaint hatch
Rare crops counts them tho
wheat kayak
that's pretty much in the description of what it does, Punk
quaint hatch
The rooms aren't counted as encounters
wheat kayak
only when you activate call, naturally
tidal depot
it doesnt say it does extra damage but reddit says it does XD
solemn cedar
I swear ||pom blossom works in styx's little rooms but not the feather or butterfly||
tidal depot
so i dont really now :S
quaint hatch
F.e. plume also doesn't count it
atomic seal
lighting rod carried me em4
glad mica
should I get Demeter for special on fists? or it would be better to get Dionysus? (||Aspect of Demeter||)
quaint hatch
I'm p sure blossom doesn't tho
wheat kayak
I still stand by my belief that ||pom blossom|| counts
and plume/butterfly doesn't because balance
hexed trail
I think they differentiate between encounters and chambers
atomic seal
chaos negative effect count styx room as "encounter"
solemn cedar
oh hmm, that'd make sense it didn't work. I'll double check next time but I just always assumed it does.
wheat kayak
I would have gone into the game to check but I can't rn so I'll leave it to someone else
mossy kraken
pretty sure plume and butterfly just dont work there for balance reasons because they're laughably easy
quaint hatch
I'll tell yah as soon as im there
Unless someone is faster
hexed trail
Yeah the plume only applies to the final room of each door in Styx
wheat kayak
Poseidon focus = free 1.2% x 5 x 5 boost lmao
quaint hatch
Yeah getting 25%+ on plume is insanely easy
wheat kayak
if plume worked
solemn cedar
speedrun confirm-styxblossom%
wheat kayak
is it 5 subchambers (counting final room) per Styx chamber
quaint hatch
Well I'm gonna test ig
wheat kayak
ganbare
solemn cedar
pls tag me with results <3
tepid plover
I'm p sure blossom doesn't tho
@quaint hatch it does count
Only plume and butterfly doesnt
tepid plover
atomic seal
when you're having great boon combo in game but dionysus boon appear out of outwhere and you're forced to take it
sad life
PURGE
oak shore
The one who always shows up uninvited for me is Poseidon
alpine fulcrum
does the final room in the styx areas count as an encounter?
solemn cedar
yeah
atomic seal
depend on situation xd
oak shore
My Artemis/Demeter/Ares combo be so fine then BOOM. Poseidon.
alpine fulcrum
i think i subconsciously assumed that without thinking about it when buying well items
quaint hatch
Unless a sack appears
solemn cedar
well items still deplete with the small rooms though right?
mossy kraken
I hate getting zeus if I'm not using sword, shield or fist lmfao
alpine fulcrum
what, that would be BS..
oak shore
Oh, question - is the sack appearing fully random? I've never got it on first try so I feel like there might be some finagling to make it two-tunnel minimum
north oak
👁️
atomic seal
I hate getting zeus at all unless its rail lucifer
lavish condor
I hate getting zeus if I'm not using sword, shield or fist lmfao
@mossy kraken why tho?
oak shore
Cool cool
quaint hatch
Also most well items count the small rooms afaik
mossy kraken
because I much rather have ares or demeter or aphro
quaint hatch
I wish they would just use more differentiated wording they're if they're gonna make differences
lavish condor
I don’t see why Demeter is so good. Slow seems kinda bad
mossy kraken
it's for the chill explosion reset
quaint hatch
Her legendary is insane
oak shore
I had thought the whole point of the encounter/chamber wording was specifically to differentiate
quaint hatch
Her duos do nothing for her tho
solemn cedar
the decay is nice too though
lavish condor
Ohhh, now I see it
mossy kraken
if you use the hidden gun + chill explosion reset it's busted
quaint hatch
You have to go full chill
mossy kraken
decay is just icing on the cake (HEHEHE)
oak shore
Chill beams are good for that too
quaint hatch
I had thought the whole point of the encounter/chamber wording was specifically to differentiate
@oak shore yeah but unfortunately there are huge inconsistencies with the small styx rooms
oak shore
Just adding in slow/decay while you do damage with your other bits
quaint hatch
Beam is bad unless you build for it imo
Then it's really fun
Less effective for a chill build
mossy kraken
also tbh zeus has the worst dash, call and special therefore I dislike getting him >.>
quaint hatch
Wtf
oak shore
I always take beam when it's offered early cos imo it's always worth giving a shot
quaint hatch
Zeus has one of the best calls
real fossil
once played around with aphro/demeter beam build
quaint hatch
Take it with smoldering air
real fossil
fun but not super good
quaint hatch
Delete foes
oak shore
Yeah I don't find Zeus fun
quaint hatch
But you need to be close
oak shore
He's definitely powerful but he's not fun
quaint hatch
^
quaint hatch
Also every dash pales compared to athenas unfortunately
real fossil
^^^
oak shore
First time I saw a lightning strike I was like "wrow"
quaint hatch
It's about that fist Mike tyson gameplay
mossy kraken
athena dash > poseidon dash > artemis dash > literally every other dash >>> zeus dash
solemn cedar
sea storm watergun though
quaint hatch
Dodge closer to the enemy while holding down attack at all times
oak shore
But it just doesn't compare to how other stuff feels
real fossil
sisyphus dash 
wheat kayak
Though I admittedly took too long to realise High Voltage/Double Strike worked on dash/spec and not attack
wheat kayak
Zeus attack only had Storm Chain (?) for passive
quaint hatch
But it's role is very niche
mossy kraken
I'll honestly take artemis dash over athena if it's purple or higher
quaint hatch
Nah
mossy kraken
just for the deeps increase
quaint hatch
Athena rarity only increases damage of dash
And you mainly want the deflect and coverage during dash attacks
Common athena dash is literally better than any heroic level dash
Aside artemis in GY with serrated maybe
real fossil
ya i feel bad when i get athena dash as first boon then a pom room right after
lavish condor
Guys, sorry for noob question. But what’s the difference between +1 rarity upgrade and +1 Pom upgrade? I’m always lost on what to pick in Eurydice
mossy kraken
debatable. considering hera bow is busted with it. artemis cast + dash + attack for guaranteed crits :P
quaint hatch
Rarity is scaling level
solemn cedar
honestly I really like posidon dash. It's so good in styx
real fossil
also for some boons, u can increase rarity but not level
oak shore
It also affects the sale price much more if you're purging but that's a narrow use case
quaint hatch
Here's a scaling chart
real fossil
like all(?) of hermes boons
quaint hatch
Yep
mossy kraken
I wish there was a keepsake for hermes that worked like the other god ones 😔
oak shore
His actual keepsake makes up for it though
quaint hatch
Starting in asphodel
hexed trail
Yeah he's the one guaranteed god
lavish condor
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharinghttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing
@quaint hatch this is amazing. Explains everything
quaint hatch
You don't need to force him
mossy kraken
because I use default sword and want attack speed, movement speed to damage and movement speed
oak shore
I totally get what Kyoshi means tbh, early Hermes boons could be great for flying through Tartarus
mossy kraken
also early side hustle would be pogtasty
quaint hatch
Get your build done
But I get wanting to see hermes more often
oak shore
God, yeah
quaint hatch
Just take a chaos boon that increases money
quaint hatch
Early side hustle is smooth tho
atomic seal
selling epic side hustle before styx for better profit
mossy kraken
also lowkey love greater evasion
oak shore
Epic side hustle gets you what, like 150?
mossy kraken
he's got so many good boons ;w;
atomic seal
yeh
oak shore
Hermes is like a soft hammer
atomic seal
I never thought if its profit or not
oak shore
I always want him
wheat kayak
Side Hustle works for Styx subchambers though
quaint hatch
Yup
oak shore
Big assume
wheat kayak
Unless you aren't confident in your ability to not take damage I'd usually go for 3, 4 chambers even if I get 2-sacc
also depends on my build
real fossil
same i always go at least 3-4 or clean it up if i rlly like my build
pretty much go for every room except the pom one cuz meh
wheat kayak
double pom though
atomic seal
too lazy to go each room
wheat kayak
That's like 300 obols worth of value
atomic seal
I only gone through each room if my build is suffering
oak shore
Big brain move is taking more to make it more likely you find a fishing point
mossy kraken
I go for every room just on the offchance there's a well in the last one haha
wheat kayak
same esp if I need a Kiss of Styx
real fossil
oh true
oak shore
Yeah, my strategy is usually keep playing until I have sack and a good well item
real fossil
or i bank on athena boon giving me a dd refresh
quaint hatch
Or I realize going through three more rooms could cost me more
pure barn
Just got Hades yeee
lavish condor
May I give a suggestion for Hades team? Could we get every same god's boon highlighted when we lay cursor on one o them, in equipped boons overview?
I don't know if I was clear about that, but would be easier too look for specific ones among many
pure barn
Man I'm just vibing with the spear rn
wheat kayak
I wouldn't mind a text list of my earned boons instead of icons
They are lovely but rather hard to parse
Poseidon is probably biggest offender
oak shore
@pure barn that's cool! It's really interesting seeing what weapons different people gravitate toward
wheat kayak
- some form of sorting, probably by acquisition time or by god
oak shore
I think it's a real testament to how well designed/balanced they are that everyone I've talked to has different opinions on what's best
quaint hatch
There are certain answers in what is best
But nothing is bad per se
lavish condor
true
quaint hatch
Just worse then other options/harder to make work
oak shore
For high level play sure, but for your first like 50-100 hours I think they're all really balanced
lavish condor
is it normal to not wanting to play anything else other than Hades?
quaint hatch
Even on low/average level there are definite easier/"better" options but it's not as relevant
hexed trail
I'd be worried if you wanted to play anything else tbh
quaint hatch
Everyone seems to have that> is it normal to not wanting to play anything else other than Hades?
@lavish condor
oak shore
I would say that after 100 hours most folks won't be at a point where ||Heat level|| is high enough to start precluding options
quaint hatch
So no but we're "suffering" together
haughty cave
lavish condor
KEKW
raw lantern
i finally got all the legendary and duo boons
oak shore
I totally play other games. I've been having a really good time playing through Stories Untold an episode a week, and the other night I played We Know the Devil, that was awesome
quaint hatch
You can measure on ||heat|| better because it takes aside the individual
raw lantern
ive been meaning to play pokemon crown tundra dlc but UHH i keep playing hades
oak shore
I haven't played the final episode yet, no spoilers ^^
Gonna wait for Halloween night to play the finale
hexed trail
The finale is excellent, brings it all together nicely
oak shore
I'm also playing other non-video games like board games with my sister or DnD with my friends through Discord
lavish condor
I'm super limited to Hades and Rocket League LUL
oak shore
I think it's good to have variety, I worry I'll burn out if I let myself hyperfocus on Hades like I feel compelled to
oak shore
Corona actually made it possible for me to herd my IRL friends into playing
hexed trail
I installed Ghostrunner last night and it's very cool
oak shore
I tried the ghost runner demo and couldn't get into it
I was playing on keyboard/mouse though, maybe it's better with controller?
lavish condor
Well, I didn't get burn out from almost 1,000h of TBOI. Guess this won't be a problem for Hades as well
hexed trail
It feels a little too precision oriented to work with the controller, though I'm pretty bad with aiming on a controller in general
TBOI was the first roguelite that really grabbed me, I'd say in terms of hours played it's that, Enter the Gungeon, and then Hades in this genre
lavish condor
I don't know about Enter the Gungeon. Didn't like it...
tepid plover
quaint hatch
alpine fulcrum
i cant play binding of isaac because its freakin gross
icy wharf
Wizard of Legend is a solid rouglite
quaint hatch
^
icy wharf
It aint everyones cup of tea but magic is fun
alpine fulcrum
i had one successful run of enter the gungeon but its just a little too rng for my liking
runic lintel
I can’t play binding of isaac but Gungeon is ggez
I have 100% completion in Gungeon
lavish condor
Does anyone know how to set another language for a specific game on Steam?
no option is offered when I right click Properties in Steam library
tepid plover
I think you have to change your steam language, unless the game has the specific setting
brisk trail
With a specific game it tends to be iffy with steam
quaint hatch
I think you have to change your steam language, unless the game has the specific setting
@tepid plover that
brisk trail
And it's not always enough to change your steam language sometimes, it's really a game by game basis
lavish condor
oh, not every game has that option, then. I didn't know
tepid plover
Yep
quaint hatch
I mean there prolly programs or scripts for that
Also maybe you can ask the modding discord
quaint hatch
Interested in Hades Modding?
Join the Hades Modding discord now!
https://discord.gg/KuMbyrN
lavish condor
Ty, mister!
oak shore
I really like roguelikes conceptually but Hades is the only one that's really grabbed me since Isaac
brisk trail
Curious, how does the mod goes without steam support ?
oak shore
I have like 2k hours of isaac stacked up across different platforms and versions, it's a big go-to
tepid plover
Very
runic lintel
Isaac has too many unlocks that I have to go very far out of my way to get
tepid plover
^
lavish condor
I really like roguelikes conceptually but Hades is the only one that's really grabbed me since Isaac
@oak shore same
brisk trail
The lost lolz
tepid plover
I didnt like that
brisk trail
And playing The Lost
oak shore
I think Wizard of Legend and Crypt of the Necrodancer are the best roguelikes I've played outside of Isaac/Hades but with them I beat the final bosses and went "yeah ok I'm good"
brisk trail
Back in the day, when you didn't have shield at start, uhuh
hexed trail
@oak shore Yeah I hit a wall on the final boss of Necrodancer too
oak shore
Are the devs cool with modding?
runic lintel
Hades is fun, I of course prefer Gungeon
tepid plover
Is the lost the ghost?
flat vapor
devs are okay with modding
quaint hatch
But wol is
oak shore
Cool
brisk trail
Yeah, one hit = death
runic lintel
After several hundred hours and 100% completion
flat vapor
but they won't provide modding support
tepid plover
Just know that if you f your game is up to you
oak shore
Modding support is a kettle of bad, so I get that
icy wharf
||How do you get lucifer ascept on the rail? Cant seem to get the line off zeus after 5 runs of prioritising him||
flat vapor
get luckier
oak shore
It's gotta be tough as a dev to be happy for folks to mod stuff but not being able to have the good faith to let the game be open source cos it'll just get pirated
quaint hatch
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
icy wharf
tepid plover
🥲
raw lantern
i was lucky and got it early for most of the hidden aspects
icy wharf
Okay back to it then I guess
flat vapor
we need a proxy command that just says "you're getting screwed by dialogue rng"
tepid plover
You mean the fates(
quaint hatch
Hades dialogue system is more of a roguelike than the actual game
icy wharf
I have all other but cant get that one
tepid plover
Lmfao
raw lantern
except bow i still dont have 
tepid plover
Achievement: Get the actual dialogue youre looking for
brisk trail
The game has been cracked already I bet ? I didn't check but when even GOW tactics didn't last a week, it's not about the fear of the game being pirated, I think it's rather the workforce needed for it
flat vapor
sgg saw that the gameplay rng was working really well so they applied it to the dialogue system too
quaint hatch
I hate dusa's romantic completion req
Only thing selerating me from ||epilogue||
Why does it have to be tied to Nyx AND Than
tepid plover
Pleb
quaint hatch
Both barely show up
odd birch
||How do you do "A Friendly Wager", do you need to somehow get the Charon fight twice in the same run, is that even possible?||
tepid plover
Why is nyx tied to 90% of the quests 🥲
quaint hatch
And then both have to be there AT THE SAME TIME
Wouldn't be so bad if she would actually deliver
oak shore
Wait, is she?
flat vapor
two runs in a row, i believe
tepid plover
||How do you do "A Friendly Wager", do you need to somehow get the Charon fight twice in the same run, is that even possible?||
@odd birch just kill him twice in a row, not twice in a run
quaint hatch
Still wonder why sgg hasn't worked on that
odd birch
I just did, it didn't complete
quaint hatch
Too late for me tho
brisk trail
I hate when ||there's this thing where nyx fires her, effed me up a few runs where I had to chain deaths because I only use her as companion|| <- Huge Dusa story spoiler, read if you finished it entirely
oak shore
I have like one heartfriendsip on Nyx, is this why I haven't been able to complete a bunch of stuff
quaint hatch
Wait, is she?
@oak shore more or less
odd birch
So i guess it's just bugged
quaint hatch
It's not about hearts for every quest
tepid plover
I have like one heartfriendsip on Nyx, is this why I haven't been able to complete a bunch of stuff
Not really, but maybe
quaint hatch
But nyx has key dialogue
tepid plover
Share nectar with big tiddy goth stepmom
quaint hatch
And she either isn't around, talking with someone else or just not delivering
Triggers me to no end
tepid plover
She doesn't like you vo1di
tepid plover
brisk trail
One heart at start should be enough to unlock most things, at start at least, somewhere you need to start maxing but you have quite the time before that
quaint hatch
I'm stuck stepmom
tepid plover
runic lintel
Stepson what are you doing
oak shore
I'd been focusing on levelling my friendship with gods for ||what I assume is the endgame quest||, guess I gotta focus her
oak shore
;_;
runic lintel
I need Artemis to accept my ambrosia already
quaint hatch
You always only need her for one line
tepid plover
||where zag asks her if chaos can be invited|| pretty sure that one has priority
quaint hatch
More or less
oak shore
I haven't ||reunited either of the couples|| or ||smooched Than|| yet so maybe that's what's been missing
quaint hatch
Yeah chaos quest blocks everything
tepid plover
oak shore
Chaos quest as in ||fighting dad with the egg||?
tepid plover
No
oak shore
That was one of the first ones I completed
tepid plover
As in ||bring me my daughter||
quaint hatch
||reunite nyx and chaos||
oak shore
Ah,ok, hadn't even been prompted with that one before
tepid plover
🥲
brisk trail
Well, you explained it badly enough that the spoiler isn't too hard lul
tepid plover
🥲
quaint hatch
Yeah you have to max nyx for that
tepid plover
Lmfao
tepid plover
quaint hatch
oak shore
All g, I waited til I'd got the main ending before joining. Any spoilers are on me for clicking spoiler text ^^
brisk trail
It's a light one at least
I know I generally don't mind spoiler too much, as long as it's not "X dies when this happens !", it generally doesn't prevent from enjoying the story
runic lintel
Zagreus dies btw
quaint hatch
That's what we got tags for
brisk trail
😮
quaint hatch
Is there no escape?
runic lintel
Idk but you die in the Meg fight
quaint hatch
That's an insanely minor spoiler
But only people who get it get it
tepid plover
Lmfao "zagreus dies" applies to anything you explain about the game
runic lintel
Nah nah nah
Zagreus dies is a massive spoiler
Cause in most roguelikes
You don’t die
indigo nest
nah but like it's in the trailer
split swift
A lot of roguelikes don't actually work the dying bit into the plot
quaint hatch
Is there no escape?
tepid plover
Yeah lots of roguelikes have wonky story when it comes to the dying part
runic lintel
Nah when you get to the end Cerberus eats you
tepid plover
Immortal redneck, arboria and hades are the ones that do a good job
Also dreamscaper
runic lintel
Enter the Gungeon does a good job
runic lintel
Yes
tepid plover
I didnt really click with it, just me I guess
runic lintel
You get shot by the gun that kills the past whenever you die, ofc
It’s not at the level of Hades but
Still good
tepid plover
You need to understand the whole endgame story for that
runic lintel
Just beat the game smh
tepid plover
Ez
tepid plover
Gungeon is hard af hear me ok
runic lintel
Yes
I know
I came from hard game to easier game.
Gungeon took me hours upon hours to pick up
But Hades was p quick
tepid plover
I also tried ring of pain lately, also this is getting off topic, if you want some more @ me in #video-games
gleaming shard
Binding of Isaac is still in my top 5 favorite roguelikes
lavish condor
Guys, when should I stop giving Nectars to a character?
flat vapor
when it stops letting you do it
or, if you're just worried about gameplay and not dialogue, stop after 1 heart
gleaming shard
or, if you're just worried about gameplay and not dialogue, stop after 1 heart
@flat vapor ||unless you want the characters summon right?||
brisk trail
Seen people earlier say that TBOI is harder than gungeon, but I never got that feeling, damn, can you break the game easily with Isaac
flat vapor
yep
lavish condor
Tyy
gleaming shard
Isaac is my mindless pick up for 20 minutes and play game
wheat kayak
I'd honestly say Hades is very easy for its subgenre
gleaming shard
First thing I fired up when I finally got a decent pc. Just as a thank you for always being playable
wheat kayak
Which then offsets its own lack of difficulty with the pact so it checks out
brisk trail
The start is a bit harder than usual I think, you need a bit of time to get mirror online and the like
But then it's definitely easier ye
wheat kayak
I have heard people trying new save first clears and finding it intentionally more difficult than usual
brisk trail
Yeah, only 1 dash is one of the problem
wheat kayak
I wanna try RI4+EM4 at some point
tepid plover
Lol while this is a preference opinion, isaac is definitely not harder than gungeon
brisk trail
To me Gungeon is deffo harder
tepid plover
Yep
brisk trail
And you're a masochist hax
tepid plover
runic lintel
Gungeon big hard
wheat kayak
Not really, I just feel more comfortable pushing the challenge in Hades
runic lintel
Also yeah 1 dash sucks massive dong
wheat kayak
I'm usually not a big fan of traditional roguelikes
tepid plover
I wanna try RI4+EM4 at some point
Add ap2 for maximum sufficient
wheat kayak
Does AP even go up to 3
tepid plover
Mb
wheat kayak
lmao
tepid plover
Wrong number
brisk trail
Wait no
tepid plover
I dont do RI but I do ap2 and em4
tepid plover
I need my rerolls
wheat kayak
Boonless any% speedrun except it's more like how fast can you die at this rate
brisk trail
I hate ap so much
tepid plover
I love it
brisk trail
Tried it once for proph, locked me out of so many good boon during that, never again
tepid plover
I cant do zero heat bounties because I cant play without ap
gleaming shard
ap?
wheat kayak
||Approval Process||
verbal wraith
is there any reason not to take side hustle at every opportunity
tepid plover
Oof hax
gleaming shard
Ah thank you
runic lintel
Eh
tepid plover
The later the worse it is
runic lintel
Sometimes you don’t need money
tepid plover
If you really need the money go for it
brisk trail
Well, if Hermy offers me 30% AS with Arthur, Side hustle can get effed
runic lintel
I never find myself needing any more money tbh
wheat kayak
Sometimes I'd prefer having say Greater Haste, Greater Strike (?) over Side Hustle
tepid plover
Is up to you
runic lintel
Silly bot
wheat kayak
probably not called that but it's the +attack speed
brisk trail
Swift Strike
wheat kayak
right
brisk trail
My most picked boon lul
tepid plover
Greater strike
wheat kayak
Swift Strike/Flourish is fairly niche
wheat kayak
I really don't care about Greater Reflexes
gleaming shard
Ares call has been carrying me a lot
tepid plover
I hate having more than 1 lmao
wheat kayak
Ruins my memory muscle
runic lintel
Wtf
wheat kayak
I only need 2
brisk trail
Swift strike is amazing, zeus attack build, arthur, dio attack
runic lintel
Just enough iframes to dodge all attacks
wheat kayak
Also why I don't feel Gilgamesh that much, at least the +2 dashes part
brisk trail
Same
wheat kayak
I end up never using up all its extra dashes
brisk trail
I barely take more dashes
tepid plover
I hate having mire than 1, I hate it to death when ap gives me more dashes, when I could have something else
I feel like suiciding
In game
wheat kayak
thanks for that clarification Dio lmao
tepid plover
For you
verbal wraith
I had a run today where I built around lightning dash with gilgamesh gloves
quaint hatch
It is
verbal wraith
it was pretty fun
gleaming shard
Give me all the dashes
quaint hatch
I like a guarantee to not get damaged more then the chance
gleaming shard
I don’t even wanna touch the move controls
wheat kayak
I remember pre-1.0 when I'd absolutely love taking Greater Reflexes when I get the chance
But me playing this game back then and me now might as well be two different people
quaint hatch
It's nice with 4th fists
Vo1di go back to discussing fish
@tepid plover careful to not also hurt yourself dio
tepid plover
verbal wraith
also its always only 2 hermes per run right?
gleaming shard
Whoops
tepid plover
Thats why you see a lot of people complaining here, because rng doesn't want to give them the weapon
Especially ||arthur since nyx has all the quests on her back||
wheat kayak
I lucked out on Nyx even when I ||reunited her and Chaos||
Hell I lucked out on Hypnos' final heart rng too
Only locked hearts I have now are most Olympians and doggo
gleaming shard
I gotta stop tapping spoilers
wheat kayak
I bet Hades is sucking all of my luck away from other games where I need the luck
wheat kayak
uh, good question
tepid plover
I hate you in fact
tepid plover
You brought this upon yourself
tepid plover
Sorry anyone with locked cerberus must be locked away in erebus
quaint hatch
tepid plover
Cayse they are monsters
sharp fossil
Sorry anyone with locked cerberus must be locked away in erebus
this is the law
tepid plover
I think I completed cerberus favor when I first entered the house
runic lintel
Pet dog = unlock?
tepid plover
Yes
wheat kayak
Gonna go ask story channel about it..
atomic seal
did the fishing point at chaos region got buff?
it said "slightly"
but I get fishing point every time now lol
dusty path
correct
atomic seal
must be sarcasm cuz it feel massive buff xd
tepid plover
Is just rng
brave thicket
Can heavy knucks and charged blast appear with gil aspect?
toxic copper
||Hey all, I have a question... So I recently maxed my relation with Persephone and now my keepsake has a sticker on it... is there a way to find this sticker somewhere?||
raven lava
in the keepsake box on the keepsake
quaint hatch
Tag name pls
toxic copper
I mean outside the game...
raven lava
oh
wheat kayak
it's uh pretty big spoiler
raven lava
my bad
toxic copper
soz forgot there are things like spoilers
indigo plover
Anyone have any idea when the switch will get the 2 recent updates?
tepid plover
Seems like they gon release one bug patch with all together
indigo plover
Hmmm so maybe a month or two down the line?
old osprey
I have an question I was messing around with mods and it didnt crash my game but it made certain actions unable to do (weapons: fists,gun) and so i decidede to reinstall the whole game but my question is are the mods saved on my save file or no?
i am hoping no
tepid plover
Dunno, might want to ask that in the modding discord
indigo plover
From an earlier comment @tepid plover
I'd say gungeon is hardest, then Isaac, then hades
Depending on heat level of course
Idk what heat level would be considered "normal" mode. 10 maybe?
tepid plover
Regardless of heat
quiet gull
EM4 specifically
tepid plover
Hades mechanics are just easier to pick up
wise burrow
is there a way to tell a fishing pool is out there clearly? i can't hear the chime well
quaint hatch
Chime or the white light
nimble ocean
astral osprey
sad face
stable night
how does one get ||zagreus on the featured houseservant board? i saw a screencap and now i need him to employee of the month in my game too lol||
gray depot
Aww
astral osprey
Ask dad nicely?
tepid plover
Be a good employee
flat vapor
keep playing
stable night
we know how well asking dad nicely works out loool
astral osprey
Gimme back my nectar daaaad
astral osprey
I did though Q~Q
stable night
keep playing
@flat vapor oh, is time played the only trigger? i was wondering if i had to hit a certain heat or anything
tepid plover
No lol
stable night
i'm 150 hours in... pls notice me dad :/
flat vapor
nah, i mean reach a certain point in the story and just... keep playing the game lol
there's no special prerequisite besides that i think
tepid plover
Yeah just play the game
stable night
ok cool
shy tartan
quick question
||ive sunk 5 blood into the spear, but how do i get the hidden aspect?||
shy tartan
talking to achillies?
tepid plover
Yes
sharp fossil
for the spear you need to ||unlock 5 different aspects||
tepid plover
Well this^
sharp fossil
||5 titan blood is needed for the other legendary weapons, but the spear is an exception||
shy tartan
WAIT
astral osprey
sad orpheus music starts playing
astral osprey
Thank you!
shy tartan
wait a minute...
so...
||i need to unlock 5 aspects||
||then pray to the rng gods||
astral osprey
*fates
shy tartan
damn
astral osprey
It'll be great!
shy tartan
im already a dead cells player
tepid plover
Rng is the main game mechanic
shy tartan
i know pain
astral osprey
^
shy tartan
it is if you have 5 boss cells
tepid plover
Nah
astral osprey
Cells is pretty generous in terms of rng imo
tepid plover
^
tepid plover
Still child play next to spelunky
astral osprey
idk what that is
shy tartan
then everything can 1 shot you
shy tartan
i had to hard reset my computer and lost all of my progress
astral osprey
sad teims