take a break and come back later?
#h1-discussion
quaint wind
harsh quail
I can't i'm too addicted. And I've already farmed through half the list on the postgame resource-dump || The Resource Director ||
carmine ravine
all for that sweet sweet the unseen one rank
harsh quail
Spoilers, probably. Probably should tag that as such.
raw lantern
that decay boon realled helped me with the final boss for the first time
hardy escarp
I'M IN THE TOP 2%
raw lantern
NICE
hardy escarp
š„³ š„³š„³
tepid plover
Dont play to farm
harsh quail
Wait, only 2.4% reached epilogue? dang.
ebon basin
Epilougue
ashen root
aparently the godmode option in the settings deletes your clear stats
probably should be a warning for that
ebon basin
Megoof
harsh quail
Yikes.
ashen root
I mean im not done with the story yet
but its just weird that it would delete all that you know
harsh quail
Yeah I've been trying out meme builds / ||aspects|| I use less while darkness farming. Various degrees of fun / frustrating
ebon basin
Idk where the story ends exactly
I have 120 games so i think ive finished the main story yea?
Just finishing bonding with everyone as my main goal
tepid plover
Technically the story ends after the ||epilogue|| but there's a lot more stuff to do
carmine ravine
just saying the epilogue isnt a spoiler, ||the feast|| is
tepid plover
Shouldve respected the spoiler tag
carmine ravine
u should get the prophecy related to it
ebon basin
Didnt know what the epilogue was tbh
Was under assumption i had finished all the story
Syke
supple field
do we ever find out who hired skelly
carmine ravine
yes its ||charon||
supple field
hmm ok guess i gotta do more runs for dialogue
hardy escarp
Wait really I thought it was ||Hermes||
random plume
How's my Hade's people are doing?
carmine ravine
||hermes|| is his colleague
clever kernel
Ok so I need to farm demeter for winter harvest.
What weapon would be best for her starting boons?
I figure zag rail, but I'm open to suggestions
dusky crypt
malphon is pretty good i think w demeter aspect
ebon basin
Gloves arent too bad either
delicate pilot
IMO demeter is best pair with a fast attacking weapon
clever kernel
I did my 10 heat run with chill on the rail attack, and it was just shredding through the free hits, and armor of everything
24 shots really is more than enough for anything that moves
plucky rampart
guys, how does charged shot which turns bull rush into a piercing shot work with ||beowulf|| aspect
quiet gull
The cast is shot out and the bloodstone will drop at the end of the shot's range
abstract jackal
Ok chat I got mort how do I kiss Thanatos
dense quarry
open mouth tongue kiss
quiet gull
Ok chat I got mort how do I kiss Thanatos
@abstract jackal Gotta keep going for a bit
granite plinth
Super nova or double nova
manic bobcat
Either
flat vapor
on what
indigo plover
cluster bomb vs triple bomb on rockets
im leaning cluster for more crit procs possibly on shotgun? but idk how many times that will land
manic bobcat
Cluster + Rockets >> Triple + Rockets
Need to go point blank
But it's absolutely worth it.
pine anvil
does increasing attack damage increase dash attack damage?
indigo plover
i went for triple lol
i agree tho the shotgun dmg is worth it
but figured lets go w consistency already on a good run
manic bobcat
does increasing attack damage increase dash attack damage?
Yes for boons. It depends for hammer
haughty sorrel
Hey guys, is there a bug reporting channel? F10 hasnāt been working for me
Bc extreme measures asterius just got one shot by mort, and I think thatās not supposed to happen
gusty slate
#h1-tech-support can work
but mort does do like 3500 dmg
Oh wait, like full hp --> 0? o.O
haughty sorrel
Well after like three punches?
Iād say 90% to like the glowy bubble of invincibility to like completely dead
Like he did the kneel but then died afterwards
Omg the wiki says he has 14000 hp uhh
Assuming thatās standard asterius too
bitter needle
Guys Curse of Drowning (Ares/Posiedon) is BROKEN
I had it on Aspect of Poseidon Stygius and it ripped through every enemy
raven lava
i saw a haelian video where mort was dealing higher than usual damage
that attack might get backstab bonuses?
abstract drum
Poseidon Aspect is just kinda busted to start, the DPS if you can get out of a cast build is just... so nuts
hollow storm
Any talks of potential new weapons in future updates?
gusty slate
No news yet on future developments
shell prism
the heart seeking bow is the most unfun weapon in this game. i hate that i have to use it to progress. Its just slow and cumbersome. it needs to have flurry shot as a permanent to it, i dont care if its nerfed to make it viable to be the default power,
gusty slate
People seem to like it, dash attacks are the way to go?
clever kernel
The hammer boon that makes the power shot, makes bow waaay easier to use
raven lava
i've had good luck with hera bow
hollow halo
i mean you dont need to charge it
i still think its my least favourite weapon aspect but it scales very well
even with a crappy charge the attack has high base damage so you get to chunk health decently
shy tartan
ive got a question: i recently gave a whole lotta nectar to cerebus, but theres a heart in the codex with a lock on it. How do i get past it?
dry mauve
give him the pets
dry mauve
20
every character has some sort of story objective you need to complete to unlock their last few hearts
shy tartan
so i just spam 1 next to him?
dry mauve
cerberus's is pretty straightforward
you can do them on separate runs or all in one run
shy tartan
wait, in the house or near the leathe
dry mauve
in the house
gusty slate
?
May need to go into bedroom for it to save properly
or another run if you're going for the bond?
gusty slate
isn't the achieve 10 pats?
gusty slate
I'd just keep patting after every run and just let it play out, might need some more dialogue
gusty slate
huh
gusty slate
Oh after getting past locked heart that should be dialogue/gifting
but may just need to keep patting after runs until he softens up more I guess
shy tartan
gtg to bed, ill work on it more tomorrow, thanks for the help
tired merlin
does anyone know if the music zag plays on his lyre are excerpts from any of the songs on the ost?
raven lava
is there any good way to farm for nectar apart from just taking it as a reward every time it shows up?
weary urchin
does it ever feel like
you get more 5 sacks
when you're on pb pace
@tired merlin i know one of them is the lament of orpheus
you can farm nectar by going for dio every run and getting premium vintage, or checking shop as well
wheat kayak
I just grab keys (got the fated keys upgrade) and then trade them in for nectar
remote forge
@raven lava I mostly trade gems for keys for nectar
With Vanquisher's Keep you get plenty
At least a few nectar per run
bright lance
tfw the god you picked for your keepsake never shows up again after the first boon and you can't make the build you wanted anymore
does the run where ||hades lets you go without a fight || count as a legit run with a time? What if speedrunners made a save point right ||before that run (which is I think on the 10th clear) so that they can skip the boss fight and|| get a faster time? But I guess you also don't have the ||pact of punishment|| yet so it might actually just result in a slower time
wheat kayak
It does count as a legit run seeing that ||the pact counted it as a cleared heat level||
Or do you mean legit purely in the context of speedrunning
bright lance
i was asking about both so thx
but yeah also for speedrunners
im guessing the ||pact saves way more time than skipping just one boss fight||
wheat kayak
Wait how come the ||pact|| makes it faster
bright lance
usually speedrunners ||add heat levels for enemy speed and stuff so they spawn faster, and for real time (not in game time) if you put on the limited time heat thing it doesn't make the chamber appear where you just have to wait it out for a minute or something while hade summons a bunch of enemies||
i think they usually do around ||12 heat or more but the only ones i remember that help are the time and speed heat pacts||
delicate pilot
wsell that's interesting.
I was using the chaos shield against skelly because I saw something about how ||chaos|| whispers to you while you use it. Skelly had a unique voice line regarding the aspect ||"I feel like I'm being watched"||
vernal obsidian
Isn't heat levels like making the game more difficult ?
weary urchin
the ||pacts|| that are usually chosen are ||EM2 because it makes the A2 boss' heads group closer for ez kills|| and ||FO2 to make enemies come at you faster and spawn in faster||. Sometimes ||TD is chosen to remove survival rooms (RTA categories) and sometimes it's left off to keep survival rooms (IGT categories)||
wheat kayak
Wait ||TD|| excises survival rooms?
Speaking of which if I clear a region faster than allotted time, the extra time is added to the next region right? Is there a UI element to show that
Or I have to do the math myself
I have been timing my runs to prep for that
weary urchin
@wheat kayak ||yes theres a red ui timer in the bottom left if you turn on TD in addition to the normal white text timer in the top right||
but yeah turning on ||TD removes any survival rooms which is good for RTA and bad for IGT||
trail copper
does the prophesy ||the queens plan require giving he Olympian gods a bunch of nectar to forge bonds with them or is it just a manner of talking to them?||
fallen pond
First thing yes
trail copper
do you also need to give ||Ambrosia to each god?||
clever island
I think itās just || unlocking every heart of each of the gods except for Demeter, but you donāt need to give ambrosia ||
cyan aspen
man some of the dialogue is so funny. thanatos appeared and he got 0 kills and as he leaves hes like. alright alright you got me
mellow vessel
Does anyone know what font is used in the game?
ember ravine
from the list of names in the game files, the Alegreya family and Caesar Dressing
mellow vessel
Thank you!!
Sorry if thatās a frequently asked question, I searched in the discord and didnāt see it
ember ravine
If you have it installed on steam, the list is under steamapps\common\Hades\Content\Win\Fonts, but they're in a game engine-specific file format so you'd have to track them down from elsewhere to use them (there are a couple of others used for different elements in the game)
ember ravine
I don't use that so dunno how their game files are stored, but it's probably similar
mellow vessel
So thank you
neon agate
Alright I need to get this out somewhere. I somehow managed to beat with time pact at 0 at the start of the fight and I can't stop freaking out.
This game is as frustrating as it is rewarding.
keen tartan
štfw malphon main in asphodel is just walking on lava a lot bc the floating enemies are just out of reach
acoustic sand
i started playing again after watching the big hype on Twitch and this game is as great as ever, even greater. Endgame is stunning. One thing I still complain about since I started tho, everything is so expensive, especially cosmetic items...I feel like the main difficulty is not getting titan blood, it's getting enough gems to decorate !
I was wondering something guys, anybody got screenshot of the sonorous theme ? I know what most of the other themes look like but this one i don't, and not sure i'll like it, i'd love to see the sonorous victory screen
knotty karma
Question - I have a boon that makes anyone "targeted" by the Adamant Rail Special take more damage.
A) does it only apply to people within the radius of the mortar strike?
B) Is it nullified if I took the Daedalus Hammer that turns it into a rocket strike?
dusk mantle
A. Yes.
B. I think so because there is no "targeting" with rocket special but I'm not 100% sure as I've never tried that out yet.
acoustic sand
Oh I think @crisp agate had the sonorous theme on his victory screen, looks quite nice if that's indeed the case !
my favorite themes are Stygian and Sonorous then x)
that's good cause I can't pay the rest
clever island
i just realized that it doesn't make sense skelly prize 1 and 2 get achievements but the 3rd one doesn't
weary urchin
@knotty karma A. it applies to anyone within the radius at the time you cast it
B. rocket strike still works with it, it's just weird
look for the indicator, it's like little black shrouds around whatever character is debuffed (targeted)
the rocket only changes the delivery mech for the special, doesn't change the aoe or the effects on it
you can still "target" things, it's just a bit strange is all
dusk mantle
What is the "average" number of hours to reach the epilogue of the story?
brisk trail
Best build for sword?
sand stump
I prefer Nemesis + Artemis / Arpodite
As i dont think you unlock the truck
Just Special - Dash strike - Dash strike - repeat
knotty karma
@weary urchin Thanks. Hmm, I'm not sure if I like the rocket with it...
quasi olive
What is the "average" number of hours to reach the epilogue of the story?
@dusk mantle I don't have any stats... I just reached it a few days ago, after roughly 50h in (but I share the game with my partner, so hard to say exactly how much I played), and 40 escape attempts. But I play in Hell mode, so the average may be less than that...
fallen pond
Then do it
quasi olive
Question - I have a boon that makes anyone "targeted" by the Adamant Rail Special take more damage.
A) does it only apply to people within the radius of the mortar strike?
B) Is it nullified if I took the Daedalus Hammer that turns it into a rocket strike?
@knotty karma I know that the special which slows foes targeted by the Y does apply even with the rocket modifier, so if it is the one you're talking about, then yes! : )
gleaming zealot
Sorry about asking of this every couple of months, Hades on pc is currently only on epic and steam stores, right?
fallen pond
I ran sd until I could unlock all the dd slots
gleaming zealot
I just want to gift it to someone, but sadly steam won't allow me to pay more than my own regional price.
mellow raft
fierce jackal
@bright lance that would disqualify the run as non-standard, unless there was a ||non-hades% run||
glacial vine
||So quick question, i have a prophecy from hermes, in which i must defeat charon twice in a row. Does it mean in the same run ? cuz i just beat him twice in a row but not the same run||
gleaming zealot
My horrible quest to pay supergiant more money.
brisk trail
Zagreus has a sharingan
iron loom
@glacial vine ||No, just twice in two consecutive battles without dying in between||
||it doesn't matter if it's 10 runs between the two battles. Just kill Charon in two consecutive battles.||
glacial vine
alright ty
dusk mantle
@quasi olive oh wow thanks. It took me way longer than that.
crystal jackal
Hi guys, I'm not sure if this is a #tech support issue but I cant seem to get the achievement for than and hermes keepsake. I've tried beating the game with the keepsake equipped and also getting the required % then switching it out. Any suggestions?
austere jacinth
Huh. Honestly, just hitting the target percent should do it. It did for me. Didn't need to finish a run or switch. Does sound like something for tech support.
dusk mantle
@crystal jackal i just unlocked both a few days back. On Steam? It works for me.
I completed the run, but I'm 99.9% sure you don't need to equip it once the achievement unlocks, for the rest of your run
fiery bear
I have the same issue before, and that's because i didn't open the game from steam/using the steam shortcut. i open it straight from the steamapps/common/Hades folder
dusk mantle
Ah, I always open it from the Steam client.
crystal jackal
huh weird i'll try to do another run and see if it still wont unlock, then i'll post to tech support
abstract drum
bro I'm listening to Lament of Orpheus on spotify. What a genuinely tragic bop
dusk mantle
wow, "On the coast" track reminds me of Oldboy music for some reason. Awesome!
unique fable
hey, i've gotten Pierced Butterfly past 30% twice today and the achievement didn't proc either time. is it bugged?
dusk mantle
I got it just yesterday.
Pierced Butterfly I mean.
@unique fable did you start the game from Steam client?
btw you're the 2nd person saying it's not proc'd today. So maybe there really is some bug.
unique fable
uh, maybe i used a desktop shortcut? i don't think that's mattered for any of the others
subtle plaza
what to invest titan blood in?
austere jacinth
Depends, which stuff looks fun to you?
brisk trail
hey everyone
austere jacinth
Hey there ^^
brisk trail
hi Stranger!
austere jacinth
How are you?
subtle plaza
i just got a boon that does +222% special dmg
brisk trail
nice lol
austere jacinth
My day will hopefully involve making Hypnos love me, and kicking his brother's paddle-happy ass
austere jacinth
Hypnos is the last bond I need to max. As for Charon... I don't wanna, but I gotta
austere jacinth
I need to win Hermes a bet xDD
brisk trail
LOL
austere jacinth
I do love ||Charon and Hermes's relationship. I want to know more, darn it.||
brisk trail
lol
leaden patio
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gusty slate
Just gotta keep playing
austere jacinth
Play, talk to everyone about everything~
brisk trail
well you don't control what you talk to them about
gusty slate
Yeah, so just gotta keep rolling through RNG dialogue
hasty shadow
This game is so good
fiery bear
how about Hermes bond? Is there any requirement to max bond with him or i just gotta keep playing and hoping for the right RNG
flat vapor
wear ||a rank 3 lambent plume when you enter a dialogue with him||
fiery bear
Aah thank you!
glacial vine
is there any website that spoil everything
cuz i'm almost at the end of the game and these bonds conditions aren't rly smth i want to discover by myself
flat vapor
you can check the wiki
glacial vine
yh i guess, ty
thorny crescent
Started playing the game about an hour ago,am in love
fiery bear
ayy nice
thorny crescent
I havenāt been able to beat Meg until I changed my key bindings lol
So how many levels are there?
thorny crescent
Iāve finished enter the gungeon on mouse and keyboard and from what Iāve seen Hades is quite similar so I use mouse and keyboard
Itās a matter of taste really
austere jacinth
Yeah. My best friend has never owned a console, so he sticks to m+kb for everything.
I'm more used to playing action games with a controller, so that's what I roll with
fiery bear
I can't even finish gungeon with mkb. i'm so used to controller now
austere jacinth
I had the same reaction though, ReadSBR. I fired up the game for the first time and just fell in love - especially with the characters xDD
austere jacinth
The voice acting is some of the best I've heard in any game.
opaque nexus
Dusa's VA has a twitch channel I think
leaden patio
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weary urchin
grim i tried rocket eris but keep whiffing my point blank rockets 
austere jacinth
Poseidon is trying to be the 'cool uncle'. He's trying a little too hard xDD
robust sundial
@leaden patio #self-promotion
flat vapor
the worst part of last words is that the encounter is usually over before the great part kicks in
stray robin
damn, i never had this crazy of a build
rail + crit + explosive ammo + tripple shot + doom stacks
so ridiculous
watch my stream to see it :D
tepid plover
tepid plover
Well the hermes tournament is a thing so id say yes
In the hades speedrun website theres a link to the discord
craggy tapir
Who's your fave olympian pal? not gameplay in any way, just character
stray robin
that feeling when a 10x doom stack crits :D
lone flame
I got to the end credits last night. I love this game so much. I am so happy thereās a discord bc no one else I know plays
tepid plover
Who's your fave olympian pal? not gameplay in any way, just character
I'll leave it to you to guess mine
stray robin
Im like 30h after credits and the game keeps on giving
glacial vine
i'm having a hard time unlocking hidden aspect of adamant rail
for an unknown reason tho
tepid plover
Zeus is a tricky one
glacial vine
but he doesn't want to give me the sentence
raven lava
olympians get their unique dialogue once per run
robust sundial
@stray robin #self-promotion pls
lone flame
@stray robin doing the last boss fight post credits gave me happy feelings. ā¤ļø
glacial vine
i'll get it at some point i guess haha
raven lava
so you just have to keep meeting him in new runs
stray robin
roger @robust sundial, was just so hype i snapped :D
@lone flame yeah its an awesome feeling
tepid plover
So wretched shades is sisyphus song and also troves from tartarus?
craggy tapir
I'll leave it to you to guess mine
@tepid plover gonna guess it's your cousin who's always happy to see you because it means you're off to get w a s t e d
craggy tapir
Just a lucky guess
gusty slate
Fates told 'em
tepid plover
Good job
stray robin
omg hades didnt hit me once i think, what a build
craggy tapir
Scrolls of Prophecy and all that
tepid plover
Got it
glacial vine
also it's like the 5th game in a row i'm just trying to get my last daedelus upgrade for the adamant rail š¦
let me switch weapon ffs
robust sundial
check the pre-requisites, some daedalus are aspect-restricted
robust sundial
okay. because it just happened to me that "Charged Volley" was my last thing to unlock and it doesn't work with the bow aspects I was always using š
raven lava
actually speaking of that
glacial vine
yh i always run default aspect for these things
raven lava
it turns out you can get Hazard Bomb with Eris rail
which is an incredibly bad idea and I'm not sure why they haven't made it incompatible
glacial vine
so i'm sure to not be stucked
flat vapor
because you can dash and i-frame the hazard damage
amber garden
It's kinda fun to dodge the damage while getting the buff tbh
flat vapor
and still get the boost
robust sundial
it's called... skills. 
raven lava
w/e
i tend to go cluster bomb and stuff for Eris
robust sundial
but yeah it's a bit counterintuitive.
flat vapor
i prefer cluster on eris, ye
tepid plover
And it requires knowledge of iframe timing
raven lava
can you deflect it with athena dash or does it actually need iframes?
flat vapor
it's mostly a meme tech
tepid plover
Isnt really an attack from a foe so I dont think you cna deflect it
Although athena dash gives you the ifram you need to easily dodge it
flat vapor
who are you gonna deflect it to
raven lava
just wanted to ask
tepid plover
Yourself
raven lava
but i remember reading a couple days ago dash-strikes don't have iframes?
glacial vine
i'm so close to all 3* artifacts
high island
Nope. Deflected attacks can no longer hurt you, though.
tepid plover
Oh ok makes sense
tight topaz
So, uh, y'all know how I'm an accessibility consultant/advocate and legally blind and have blind friends and blah blah blah.
I got ||Excalibur|| and its special negates lava damage. The big white stick is the best chance blind people have to beat the game. There's no way that could have been planned but I find that hysterically funny. Well played, devs. Well played indeed.
leaden patio
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tepid plover
So
Sisyphus-wretched shades
Eurydice-good riddance
Patroclus-from olympus
Did I get it wrong?
cloud apex
Damn, the ||arthur lava disabling strat|| is indeed a big brain move towards that goal
Sadly, one cannot really obtain hidden aspects without getting to final boss at least once, so it has to be a premade file then
glacial vine
ffs the game is giving my full aphrodite bonus with adamant rail š¦
i'm doing 0 dmg
stop š¦
tight topaz
@cloud apex He did beat the game once, amazingly. Check the victory section
glacial vine
niiiice=
just got the last upgrade for the adamant rail
but i still need to find zeus š¦
indigo canopy
does the exit wounds artemis boon need a certain weapon/||aspect||? i cannot seem to get it at all
tepid plover
Nope
brisk trail
tho you can't combine it with shield's 4th aspect
tepid plover
It just requires any cast that can get in enemies
So if you have dio or demeter cast it won't appear
Or ||beowulf|| yes
indigo canopy
ah that make sense, i almost exclusively go for dem/dio cast
thorn tendon
Hey, has HeartfulPeach done an infographic / flowchart with the Duo Boons?
gusty slate
Are those pinned somewhere? maybe #h1-builds-and-combat
shy tartan
||i just use aegis and shield the beam attack||
glacial vine
So i have to play with the shield now
is this good? the few times i played it, it seemed weak
weary urchin
is what good
shy tartan
i like the shield alot
glacial vine
the shield
shy tartan
try holding down left click
weary urchin
any weapon is dece
glacial vine
yh i guess
weary urchin
melee weapons suffer at high ||heat||
shy tartan
but shield is a good anti-bullet hell
weary urchin
being able to block all damage is kinda big tbh
indigo canopy
i hate the rail
weary urchin
very good crutch early on
glacial vine
i'm playing at 0 heat for now, just for the quests u know
weary urchin
- you can treat shield bash as an extra dash to get outta triubke
trouble
the shield has a lot of mechanics that are really new player friendly
glacial vine
i'll try then, maybe i'll like it
weary urchin
forgiving
gusty slate
Positioning is super important on all weapons though, but I feel it's you need to be pretty self-aware for shield since you don't want to dash into traps or blocking the wrong direction
dark root
Only thing is that when there's a lot of opponents at the same time you might not get to block everything, though with any weapon it's bad if to many opponents are up on you
gusty slate
when your shield run is stolen because you didn't block a laser and get stunlocked
weary urchin
@gusty slate thats definitely true but esp for new players its a lot more forgiving to be able to say, block ||dad's omnilaser|| instead of having to run to cover
dark root
I'm not good with crowd control with the shield
gusty slate
Of course, I'm just adding the piece about positioning with the bullrush
leaden patio
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dawn linden
Has anyone got a good run with the crystal beam aphro duo
Itās just kinda weird to use because it really changes it
Not for the better
quiet gull
The aphro duo is amazing
Just position yourself so the enemy is always between the crystals and you
Get the Athena duo for cast backstab damage and go off
willow jay
I really disliked that one at first but found it very strong the last time I used it with Malphon
dawn linden
Yeah Iāve always just struggled to use it as well as the arty
quiet gull
It requires you to position yourself well, which the Artemis duo doesnt yeah
robust sundial
cast backstab ? that's useless, no ?
quiet gull
No, it's pretty great
weary urchin
that includes shadow presence, nemesis crest, exposed status effect
willow jay
really nice with Phalanx Shot
weary urchin
it also increases the base damage of your cast by a flat +35%
which is good for any cast
robust sundial
true
weary urchin
im p sure its just flat cast damage but i can test it again
willow jay
are backstab damage bonuses multiplicative with other bonuses or is it just a percentage of base damage?
brisk trail
Testing at various hours, in case someone catches that :
Who knows why they got rid of Perfect landing ?
tawdry turret
Greg 
tepid plover
Papa Greg
robust sundial
F yeah Chaos Fishes
quiet gull
- It is easier to find a fish in Chaos' realm
Praise Hades
abstract jackal
Shoutout to mort btw
quartz ivy
ok good
carmine ravine
thats the whole point of testing
ivory saffron
Does anyone know if the switch version will get the current changes whenever the patch comes out?
carmine ravine
and u should probably tell #test-branch-discussion since devs are there @quartz ivy
quiet gull
Does anyone know if the switch version will get the current changes whenever the patch comes out?
@ivory saffron They mentioned that Switch will get all backed up updates in one big patch sometime soon
ivory saffron
Oh okay, that makes sense. Thanks!
viral bane
They're making Chaos fish less rare heck yeah
sweet flax
nova burrow
i think its pretty cool that they keep tinkering with balance in the game. it kind of gives me hope that they possibly see a future for more content by wanting to keep the game as balanced as possible. i know balancing doesn't actually mean more content will come but it just shows they want to keep improving the game and don't just say "well its a single player game no need to do any more"
glacial vine
i do really hope there'll be more content tho
compact grove
does each small room in styx count towards Rare Crop encounters?
nova burrow
me too. the game is so incredible i just keep wanting more
austere jacinth
I hope so too, Mathieu. But I don't expect so.
compact grove
the description is unclear, can anyone help?
glacial vine
yh @nova burrow
carmine ravine
i think its pretty cool that they keep tinkering with balance in the game. it kind of gives me hope that they possibly see a future for more content by wanting to keep the game as balanced as possible. i know balancing doesn't actually mean more content will come but it just shows they want to keep improving the game and don't just say "well its a single player game no need to do any more"
@nova burrow but the problem is these things tends to bring publishers to the pitfall traps of LiVe SeRvIcE gAmEs
austere jacinth
Live service games aren't inherently bad. It's just that some publishers believe it means they can release half a product and get people to pay for the rest bit by bit.
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maiden pendant
Has there been any talk about DLC in the future for Hades.
nova burrow
ongoing content updates are a bad thing? lol
gusty slate
SGG has not confirmed or denied future work on Hades
austere jacinth
There's been plenty of talk from players about DLC. The devs are taking a hard-earned post-launch break from any production though.
nova burrow
yep we will just have to wait and see
glacial vine
š
austere jacinth
What sort of stuff would you like added, Mathieu?
gusty slate
Hypnos dreamworld training room would be what I want
Test boons, aspects, and spawn enemies
brisk trail
We need an optional hardcore level after [Redacted], because roguelike
glacial vine
demetere/poseidon duo is just the best lmao : just beat hares under 20sc
brisk trail
Normally I'd be worried of indie devs falling into the trap of only updating the one game and stagnating like many do, but Supergiant appears to have that under control lol
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austere jacinth
I'd be very happy to have content updates tbh.
nova burrow
acting like its a bad thing when games get content updates is really silly
gusty slate
depends on the content update lul
nova burrow
we all understand there are many games and devs that do updates the wrong way
but acting like its inherently a bad thing is silly
thorny crescent
ok so Iāve played more Hades and I gotta say screw the third biome
brisk trail
I see you're a man of culture as well
carmine ravine
nah i hate styx more
stray robin
dat poison
brisk trail
Meh, styx is easy
carmine ravine
You blackguard!
@austere jacinth theseus is clearly racist
gusty slate
Erebus is my worst place
brisk trail
Ely ennemies are insufferable pain
thorny crescent
Well then
gusty slate
Proxy was a bit slow, impressive
carmine ravine
Meh, styx is easy
@brisk trail until u get poison to death
thorny crescent
Itās hard to describe the boss without swearing
brisk trail
You have fountain
carmine ravine
wow no shet
gusty slate
High level Styx gets really annoying
brisk trail
I never get poisoned more than a few sec, and I almost always play Patro keepsake in styx, if not I'm rolling plume
tepid plover
thorny crescent
but anyway Minotaur and Greek whoever that guy is combo is such bs
stray robin
everyone finds something different more difficult, same for the guns, and boons etc.
tepid plover
I love patro keepsake, especially for phase 1 of ||em4||
stray robin
they are quite hard in the beginning yeah, but once you learn their moveset, it gets much easier
brisk trail
I love patro keepsake, especially for
phase 1 of||em4||
@tepid plover FTFY
austere jacinth
I love T&A. They always make be grin.
carmine ravine
i mean asterius literal circles around you if u dont move while ur close to him
tepid plover
Lmfao
thorny crescent
they are quite hard in the beginning yeah, but once you learn their moveset, it gets much easier
@stray robin thatās how it is with any difficult game yeah,but those two seem especially annoying just because thereās two of em
gusty slate
carmine ravine
hm spams
thorny crescent
Lag
tepid plover
tepid plover
You mean the contractor?
carmine ravine
yes buy the most expensive ones, or if u mean the broker i guess u just need to spam
tepid plover
Oh
Yeah broker is just clicking lol
Was gonna ask how many keys you need and for what ||then remember the theme||
frozen ice
cause then you gotta spam the next thing at the broker
brisk trail
I'm stocking up, and sometimes I setup an auto clicker, then go to pee or roll one up, etc
late plover
is thanotos' buterfly temp or perm
gusty slate
Only active when equipped like plume
late plover
like i get that it stacks but if i do get hit does it reset
brisk trail
No
late plover
alr
brisk trail
Bonus is on the trinket as long as you keep it equipped
wind nest
I'm finishing up 20 heat with all the weapons this week, and I'm a little frustrated that there isn't really an incentive to do heat anymore, besides the 32 heat challenge
gusty slate
I think darkness scales a bit doesn't it?
quiet gull
Rewards dont scale to heat at any level, I believe
tepid plover
Nope
wind nest
Does it? I don't think it does. Bosses should drop +5 darkness for each heat level you have on IMO, but the darkness doesn't scale I think.
tepid plover
Challenge is the incentive
gusty slate
rip
wind nest
But I've allready done the challenge
wind nest
Now I want ~750,00 darkness for the end game
tepid plover
Do 50 heat
tender swift
I didn't work up to the 20 heat per weapon. I think I got up to 8/10 or so. Then I wanted to see the how the last Skelly statue looked
quiet gull
The abundance of heat is just there to maximize your options. No one really expects you to turn all of them on all the time, but having so many options allows all people to fine tune heat to their taste
tepid plover
^
brisk trail
The mistake comes from the fact that back then, each heat level was = to +2% darkness, but it's not the case anymore, and heat was very different
wind nest
I don't really want to challenge myself for the sake of it, I want to finish the collection
gusty slate
Oh I see
wind nest
@brisk trail that was in the beta?
tepid plover
The collection isn't meant to be finished, is meant so you have something to do
brisk trail
But I agree that heat giving a bit of heat bonus would be nice
tender swift
Do it for the statue. The beautiful Skelly
quiet gull
I don't really want to challenge myself for the sake of it, I want to finish the collection
@wind nest The collection is also there as a treadmill and not something to finish immediately
carmine ravine
yes like trying to beat ||EM4|| with ||GY|| on FO2
brisk trail
@wind nest I think, I've read that on the wiki
tepid plover
What queen said
quiet gull
If you actually get all titles, I assume you're already good enough at the game tu run 50 heat with no issues
gusty slate
I had heard there was scaling before, must've changed it without me noticing lol
tepid plover
I've explained it a lot of times, the darkness dump, isnt something youre supposed to get in 10 runs
quiet gull
yes like trying to beat ||EM4|| with ||GY|| on FO2
@carmine ravine Let's not and say we did
carmine ravine
it used to give 2% darkness per heat level but not anymore iirc
wind nest
@quiet gull If a 20 heat run gave, let's say 1,500 darkness from bosses instead of the 550 it does now, that's still 100 runs you have to do successfully. It's not immediate at all lol
quiet gull
You misunderstand
gusty slate
Well darn, rip
tepid plover
Yeha you're not getting the message lol
quiet gull
The titles are there so that the people who have 200k darkness have something to do
tepid plover
^
quiet gull
Not the other way around
brisk trail
@tepid plover Except it already takes about a 100 runs to max it, if you get poseidon and chaos darkness bonus on each of these runs, which isn't possible
tepid plover
Isnt meant for you to get it, but if you darkness you have the option to get it
wind nest
Ok well i have heat done, and not a ton of darkness. I don't need an immediate reward but I need a reason to use heat again.
carmine ravine
torture yourself
brisk trail
@tepid plover Doesn't work as a game design though, if something can be completed, people want to complete it.
gusty slate
my reason to keep FO2 on at all times is because I'm a masochist
tepid plover
If you need a reward to play a game, youre playing the wrong game
quiet gull
That's just achivement hunter talk, which is..... not great. Play a game to have fun, not to fill up a bar
tepid plover
^
brisk trail
Compulsion loop ?
quiet gull
You may have OCD
tepid plover
Not really
brisk trail
Compulsion loop includes fun and is part of all that
carmine ravine
Wdym? so now all my achievement in hades is now pointless in real life? what is this? reality?
brisk trail
It has been abused, but it's kinda the basis for games
tepid plover
Meh
I have everything in the game, except some badges, which I know I'll eventually get, im just having fun with the game
tender swift
I'm still trying to get that Bad Call achievement
carmine ravine
already got all badges now hunting for them themes
gusty slate
I forget that achieve is a thing
tender swift
Haven't been able to get a greater call during trials...
brisk trail
Oh, I see, I wasn't clear, I don't really have a problem with the speed at which you get them, rather the daunting aspect and the lack of progress you feel toward them, if that's clear ?
tender swift
I'm not sure how to do it except hoping for a Hermes auto fill thing
carmine ravine
play trials on elysium and let them respawn @tender swift
gusty slate
Elysium can grind out the yeah
tepid plover
I get your point sin
tender swift
Oh they spawn indefinitely?
gusty slate
The eyeballs will keep respawning
tender swift
OH!!
gusty slate
Just don't kill them, let them reclaim their weapons
quiet gull
Or get Hermes' call charge boon
tepid plover
You can always start a new file and get everything again
gusty slate
Even better, go legendary spear, get pos take damage for call. Tank to it
Highly unrecommended!
tepid plover
Lmfao
carmine ravine
i mean if u got that poseidon boon that increase 40% god gauge increase and have like 300 health probably
quiet gull
From experience, it doesnt take 300 damage
tender swift
Highly unrecommended xD
gusty slate
I emphasize, Highly
tender swift
Good thing I'll have three DD's to go through
hasty shadow
Almost winning sucks
carmine ravine
yes charge ur spin while u getting rolled over by trolleys
hasty shadow
Yeah
carmine ravine
just like real life except u cant try again
tepid plover
And fun!
hasty shadow
Yeah
carmine ravine
but i already get all badges now, all new convos i get is how i get nominated for employee of the month
tepid plover
Lmfao
gusty slate
One day I'll be the greatest
tepid plover
The bestestestest
tender swift
The very best
carmine ravine
Like no one ever was.
brisk trail
To catch them all is my real test
hasty shadow
Iām eventually going to figure out how to get past friendship rank 6
Eventually
Maybe
tepid plover
Theres a guide for that
brisk trail
Do runs and speak to everyone
hasty shadow
I already have 8 clears
tepid plover
Friendship and clears have nothing to do
austere jacinth
Everyone is my super-best friend (or more) except for Hypnos T.T
hasty shadow
Oh okay
brisk trail
Technically, I didn't say clear
tepid plover
Doug did
tender swift
Yeah Hypnos doesn't want to be friends (yet)
carmine ravine
clearly hypnos hates you
tepid plover
Hypnos hates everyone that wakes him up
austere jacinth
Why, Hypnos? Why? T.T
austere jacinth
Your mother loves me, your brother loves me, why can't you love me?
mellow pumice
Anyone else feel really sad when they return to the House after having Greatest Reflex?
austere jacinth
Let me give you ambrosia~
hasty shadow
I want to eventually figure out how to do some stuff
tepid plover
Your mother loves me, your brother loves me, why can't you love me?
Cuase they love you, not him, thats the sad truth
carmine ravine
hypnos thought that was pretty gay so he refused
hasty shadow
But titan blood supply seems low
brisk trail
@mellow pumice It's the dodge from Hermes right ?
mellow pumice
It's when you get more dashes
tepid plover
Gay is not a problem in the underworld
quiet gull
But titan blood supply seems low
@hasty shadow Turn up the heat
tepid plover
In fact they like it
tepid plover
Blood is simply for weapons btw doug
hasty shadow
I know
tepid plover
You dont need blood for anything else
hasty shadow
But I want to play with weapons
mellow pumice
I love having it, especially when it's Epic and you end up with 5 dashes
tepid plover
Makes sense
mellow pumice
then you try to go up to Hades' desk and are left with a measly 2 dashes
brisk trail
Lul
carmine ravine
unless u talking about bloodstones which is u need it a lot
tepid plover
Thought you were still talking about how to do stuff with relationships
hasty shadow
Itās all in the category of ābunch of resources I donāt have and canāt farm very wellā
quiet gull
But I want to play with weapons
@hasty shadow Well, there's always the Styx shop!
austere jacinth
Why would Hypnos care about Zag's sexuality? T.T
carmine ravine
who need speed when ur ||dad|| can make u do magic
austere jacinth
Especially in a modern sense.
hasty shadow
But I could just win if I reach the Styx shop
brisk trail
God peed
@tepid plover Hermes shower ?
hasty shadow
Unless I canāt
tepid plover
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quiet gull
But I could just win if I reach the Styx shop
@hasty shadow Ah, I see you need more practice against Heroes
carmine ravine
Why would Hypnos care about Zag's sexuality? T.T
@austere jacinth idk man, u must ask him
hasty shadow
That stupid Theseus still messes me up
tepid plover
"Hey Hypnos, does it bother you that I'm bi?"
brisk trail
Well, Heroes>[Redacted] imo
young shore
@hasty shadow Theseus is only there to put on a good show.
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"
hasty shadow
His stupid spear
austere jacinth
Would the gods even have a concept of bi? xD
carmine ravine
nah man, try using greater calls on theseus, pretty much all gods hates him
hasty shadow
I mistime dash by like 0.1 seconds
austere jacinth
Greek sexuality was defined differently anyway.
tepid plover
Use pillars
tepid hatch
I just want to say Thank you Supergiant for easily the most addictive/fun goty
tepid plover
Hide
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hasty shadow
Also this butterfly achievement is hard
tepid plover
Pillars are your best friend vs theseus
brisk trail
One of the gods talks about it, ||like they give boons to many but you're their favorite, or smth like that||
carmine ravine
Also this butterfly achievement is hard
@hasty shadow smh just dont get hit
hasty shadow
I try the pillars
tender swift
Also for whenever the cow comes at you for hugs
tepid plover
Spear can't go thru the pillar
austere jacinth
I'm only dating TWO people from the house T.T. Not everyone.
carmine ravine
have u tried dodging?
young shore
NO! The gods don't hate Theseus. He is a lovely boi on to put on a good time. And he'll happily doodle(thank you profanitybot) whoever ISN'T a minotaur best friend OR A BLACKGUARD after they die. Greek sexuality is fluid.
tepid plover
It all comes with knowledge
brisk trail
Butterfly is probably the last achiev I'm gonna try, gotta use that game experience
hasty shadow
Witch room
tepid plover
Yep, game knowledge plays a big role for buttlerfly
austere jacinth
Theseus's dad refuses to admit he's related.
carmine ravine
NO! The gods don't hate Theseus. He is a lovely boi on to put on a good time. And he'll happily doodle(thank you profanitybot) whoever ISN'T a minotaur best friend OR A BLACKGUARD after they die. Greek sexuality is fluid.
@young shore even dionysus says that the gods talking behind his back lol
austere jacinth
Zeus of all people calls Theseus's dad out on that xDD
carmine ravine
the poseidon prophecy specifically asks you to beat him in ||EM3||
young shore
@carmine ravine The gods and the bots are two different pantheons. The wise offer to both, etc.
austere jacinth
Bots?
tepid plover
The bots?
young shore
The bots.
tepid plover
What bots
brisk trail
New Pantheon
tepid plover
Uh?
gusty slate
Wharrgarbl didn't stutter
austere jacinth
??
tepid plover
I'm so confused lol
carmine ravine
ah yes our cybernetic overlords have created their own religion
brisk trail
Modern pantheon
gusty slate
<-- obviously a bot
young shore
The bots that talk to you aggressively if you talk about doodling Meg, Than, or anyone else in a way the Gods don't like.
brisk trail
When you're not worshipping the bots in 2020
tepid plover
Could someone care to explain who are "the bots"
austere jacinth
There are Olympic Gods, Chthonic Gods, and other figures in Hades. I don't remember the bots. xDD
tepid plover
Oh
quiet gull
The censor filter bots that chastise you if you're naughty
tepid plover
Hes talking about the discord bot lmfao
gusty slate
doesn't talk to you, only stares and provides upon an input... a bot!
young shore
It's a meta-joke.
gusty slate
= bot. Pure RNG
tepid plover
Well dont say we didn't warn you
austere jacinth
Bouldy is a very supportive friend... who I like to drop on my enemies.
young shore
Nah. Bouldy is tricky enough. Making offering to the bots would net even more iffy rewards.
gusty slate
Skelly is a true friend, he'll take one for the team
carmine ravine
everytime u dont give an offering, u are cursed with bad rng
brisk trail
nectar on the rocks, huh
gusty slate
Need Ambrosia on the rocks
brisk trail
Bouldy for ||3rd romance option||
copper pond
how do I report a bug?
or
copper pond
ah got it
carmine ravine
Bouldy for ||EM5||
austere jacinth
Too OP
gusty slate
Imagine secret boss buffed
carmine ravine
yes i agree, dying is fun
gusty slate
Just gotta keep throwing out beyblades
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uneven yew
Hey everyone. I am on my run using the ||timer ||for the first time. I am at the ||2nd to last part with cerberus|| going thru all the levels. My question is ||do I have to go to the end boss before the timer ends or defeat him by then?||
brisk trail
defeat him
Timer running out is not run ending though, you just take damage until dead
5/sec if I'm not mistaken
brisk trail
When you get used to it (pausing when hesitating between room for example) the first rank is easy
Free in 90% of the runs I'd say
uneven yew
yeah im over just 29 minutes with 6:35 left
got about 2 more levels at ||cerberus ||then boss
quiet gull
9min per biome is pretty free, 7min is where it starts to matter
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hasty shadow
How do I farm diamond
quiet gull
How do I farm diamond
@hasty shadow Same way you farm TB and Ambrosia
weary urchin
@leaden patio ||TD timer|| pauses in npc rooms
quiet gull
well, you cant buy ambrosia at the Styx shop, but you get it
gusty slate
I think there are some prophecies also
young shore
Yes
young shore
My wife and I call it "The Gift Shop"
it's a "how solidly can you clear your current heat" test for us.
weary urchin
side note we really ought to be spoiler tagging ||pact of punishment||
quiet gull
Styx shop is free once you get used to 0 heat runs
Especially with Golden Touch, usually even have enough left over to buy most of the rest of the shop
young shore
I think "Current heat" is one of those spoilers that only means something if you know what it's a spoiler for, and otherwise it's just enticing.
gusty slate
It's more of a spoiler over in newplayer chat, but I think it's fine here
brisk trail
I saved for the blood/diamond in Styx every single run for a long time lol
weary urchin
lol
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weary urchin
but yeah you dont need to worry about time in npc rooms
time spent in there doesnt countagainst you
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gusty slate
That's good to know
weary urchin
same with after beating bosses
gusty slate
Fishing stops time too if I recall, but you still need the few seconds to go to it
brisk trail
And first room of Aspho and Ely
indigo canopy
how long until i can gift hades some nec?
indigo canopy
i gave him one before ||credits|| now im ||post credits and it shows his hearts unlocked and an empty slot in my keepsakes|| yet i cannot gift it
brisk trail
||It takes a few conversations before you can iirc||
quiet gull
It took me like five extra I think
frank frigate
If I have a short video of an amusing thing I'd like to share, is this the channel to do it in?
indigo canopy
you cant send pics or videos to most of the channels
quiet gull
Try the self promotion channel
indigo canopy
the fan-works channel id say
brisk trail
I love that almost everything in this game makes a noise, I almost missed a trove, but I heard it.
weary urchin
if only the urns made a sound
brisk trail
Oh yeah, if only
indigo canopy
they have lots of sparkles though
gusty slate
I love seeing the sparkle as I leave a room
brisk trail
Yeah but my eyes are already drawn in by the boon on the door.
gusty slate
instant regret
quiet gull
I love seeing the sparkle as I leave a room
@gusty slate Especially when it's right next to the exit too
exotic girder
accidentally taking magma damage trying to get urns Q_Q
gusty slate
Even better when it's at Styx
indigo canopy
dio, how does one post images in this chat?
gusty slate
Needs to be linked from somewhere else like imgur or personal discord I suppose
indigo canopy
im not one who sends much pictures
tepid plover
That was just meme purposes and even then shouldn't have done that
indigo canopy
its not spam so it should be alright
weary urchin
yeah its not off topic spam so i doubt anyone seriously cares
pure barn
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tepid plover
Wtf
craggy ruin
I approve
pure barn
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tepid plover
I have questions
gusty slate
Confusion is at 99
tepid plover
But I don't want answers
indigo canopy
i want a hermes cast where zag just throws one of his flying shoes at someone
austere jacinth
That's just cheating... ||but we can summon Death soooo||
indigo canopy
|| i think assists are spoilers||
gusty slate
But Than comes randomly to rain down 9999 on shades
or higher? depending on vulnerabilities... or was that patched?
gusty slate
I remember the number changing actually
tepid plover
nah is still 9999
gusty slate
It was a bug back then so sounds like it was patched
austere jacinth
I mean, he's Death. It makes sense
craggy ruin
hes pretty slow tho ;/
tepid plover
slow and painful death
craggy ruin
š³
gusty slate
Ah I meant the damage he does is supposed to be static. The bug I am referring to was where the number was other than 9999
gusty slate
It was minor, but I remember getting higher and lower, was sorta funny
quiet gull
Than gets to kill armored enemies in one hit, which is just unfair in my opinion
gusty slate
Death is an equal opportunity individual
austere jacinth
He is. In many ways.
He's the 'nice' Death/psychopomp too. His sisters are much meaner.
zealous galleon
What would happen if Death killed Hades or Nyx š¤
carmine ravine
the same thing with you killing the final boss
austere jacinth
I mean, you can theoretically ||summon Than as the killing blow to Hades, right?||
I don't see Than ever agreeing to fight his mother though !
cloud apex
Is there anyone to willingly fight the mother Nyx anyway? She seems like a "good for all" sort of person
brisk trail
This is super dorky and highly specific, but every time I get a chaos boon that shortens my dash, I quietly sing to myself āhoooold me closer, tiny daaasher~ā
gusty slate
house shakes when she is angry
glad mist
Chaos created her, gaia, the sky and a few others i can't remember
gusty slate
Wouldn't want to cross her tbh
glad mist
Then the sky had the titans
austere jacinth
Ares would probably fight her. Ares would fight everyone.
austere jacinth
Ares rarely wins in most myths. He just wants to fight.
austere jacinth
Athena wins. She's war too.
glad mist
Shes cool though
austere jacinth
She's my least fave in myths.
glad mist
I believe to the Greeks she represented the more noble ideas of war that can get romanticised. The tactics and the uniting together thing etc. Ares represented more the ugly side of war thats inevitable
minor plaza
probes b/c Ares is the bloody and tragic side of war and Athena is the more valiant strategic side of war
glad mist
Yeah
minor plaza
mhmm
austere jacinth
Ares is bloodlust. Athena is strategy.
minor plaza
Basically
glad mist
Thats why a lot of myths depict him as mean
No one likes that part of war but its gonna happen
minor plaza
Hes like a psudo-badguy
austere jacinth
A lot just humiliate him. And not just in war.
His affair with Aphro, for instance.
carmine ravine
in the game like theres two sides of the family, athena and ares
austere jacinth
Idk, everyone seems distinct. On their own side.
carmine ravine
nah, aphro clearly on ares side
austere jacinth
Well, Athena has a poor record with women.
Aphro is still her own woman though, not Ares's or Heph's xD
carmine ravine
i mean in the game context, just see her duo with ares interaction
austere jacinth
She's allowed to have fun. XD
brave spade
Does the first boon change if I die in first room or do I have to go further