h1-discussion

[cosmic crystal]

What does Hades special debuff do when inflicted? I think it causes you to take more damage, but I honestly have no idea.

[tepid plover]

Double damage

[cosmic crystal]

Aha, thought it would be something like that. Thanks!

[tepid plover]

Anytime

[zealous flare]

@hardy escarp How many runs did it take before you hit that one-sentence dialogue point?

I'm curious how much they wrote for that.

[hardy escarp]

Let's see...

75

[tepid plover]

There are some other factors for lines

Do you use ||em3||?

[hardy escarp]

Well just a couple runs ago I got the ||Theseus scared that the mino likes zag better|| arc

[raw lantern]

i havent seen zeus in like 4 runs

[tepid plover]

Praise the fates

[thick ledge]

does hell mode have different heat options?

actually what does hell mode do?

[tepid plover]

Onyx "Cast Build!" Cicada09/22/2020
Hell Mode:

• Sets your minimum Heat at 5
• Forces 5 conditions on the player
• Grants a Hell Mode-only condition: Personal Liability - Gets rid of the invulnerability shield that pops when you take a large burst of damage (this is included in the forced 5 conditions above)
• You can never take these conditions off

[slate jetty]

hell mode ||starts you with 5 heat by default that you can't turn off - hard labor 1, lasting consequences 1, jury summons 1, calisthenics program 1 and personal liability (hell mode exclusive pact, removes the mercy shield that triggers when you take a huge chunk of damage fast)||

[thick ledge]

ohh

thats really cool tbh

[vapid narwhal]

also disables God Mode

[knotty karma]

Stupid question, but does rat poison count as traps?

[buoyant merlin]

Nah

After exhausting much of the meg dialogue I was kinda like damn why does Zag just take this lying down but then I remembered that he kills her like every run so it's whatever

[knotty karma]

Zag also genuinely likes her, for some reason.

[vapid narwhal]

you'll know that reason down the line

[delicate pilot]

so im trying to think

what weapons are not used by enemies?

the spear, sword, bow and shield are all used by shades in the 3rd level

arguably there is a fist enemy

do any enemies use something similar to the rail?

[knotty karma]

Kind of... the laser.

[slender linden]

||em3, technically||

[stuck sundial]

what are the best hidden aspects?

[reef stream]

dashes that have iframes are a gift from god

[stuck sundial]

agreed!

I already have the spear aspect, wich shoud i get next?

[vapid narwhal]

Chiron or Hera for Bow

Chaos shield but it requires a bit more blood investment

[stuck sundial]

i mean hidden ones

[vapid narwhal]

get whatever you feel like

the hidden ones are all unique and good in their own way

sword maybe

I also like the fist one

[stuck sundial]

does zag aspect count towards the unlock?

(i have sword zag maxed from skelly quest)

[vapid narwhal]

no

[stuck sundial]

😦

i was hoping that they counted, (the spear one in the wiki explicitelly sais so, i was hoping it wouldn't be the same for the other aspects)

[vapid narwhal]

oh you mean for OTHER hidden aspects?

they do count

including the zag aspects of those weapons

[stuck sundial]

yay

so just have to wait until nyx sais the words

[knotty karma]

bot please burn in hades forever

in fact go sit under hade's rear

I almost died - like, was like an inch away from ||Hades' circle strike|| on my very last chance - when Hangover kicked in and killed ||Hades|| . Thank you, Dionysus. Very cool.

[stuck sundial]

you mean ||lasers||?

[knotty karma]

No, his version of Varatha's special.

[stuck sundial]

you mean the spin attack?

i always have problems dodging spin attacks

[knotty karma]

Yeah, and same. It's also a total garbage thing to try and dodge when you've got Adamant Rail.

[stuck sundial]

spin attacks are the most telegraphed attacks and yet they are still very hard to dodge

[velvet grail]

I get to Hades with four lives and still die

[stuck sundial]

the run after having a hermes move speed boon of 50% feels super wierd

you feel like you should be moving faster when you are moving at normal speed

[zealous flare]

The spin attack is easier to dodge if you dodge later than you think

His circle pops up early

Ill either dodge away from him to get out of it, or ill time my dodge to i-frame through it

[modest scroll]

Ok, 5th consecutive thanatos-less run and I'm sad

Lady luck just isn't having it

[stuck sundial]

speaking of, shot a random arrow before than apeared and i hit him while he was spawning

[modest scroll]

Haha oh noo

[knotty karma]

Question: if I equip Thanatos' trinket for the first level and then unequip it for something else, do I lose the bonus damage?

😦

[wheat kayak]

Same goes for Lambent Plume afaik

[hexed trail]

Yeah, you lose the bonus with all of those keepsakes

[zealous flare]

Yeah they're all or nothing

[vagrant hinge]

i'm kinda frustrated at myself for bein bad at th game, n th spouse suggested i jus do god mode, but even now that feels like,,,, wimpin out lmao.

i jus am focusin now on tryna get more hypnos content

[wheat kayak]

I remember farming god mode damage resist that a while before v1.0

Which is basically getting myself killed on purpose over and over

I still had a hard time even with 80% damage resist

I'm much better these days

[delicate pilot]

man anyone else look at their weapons adn carefully decided which to go far. then carefully pick an aspect. decide which ||punishment|| you want to use next. head out. then realize you still have your 'final area' keepsake on?

[wheat kayak]

Me when I'm 5 chambers into Tartarus then realised I had Broken Spearpoint on all this time

[zealous flare]

yeah i always organise everything and then just screw something up at the end

[wheat kayak]

good thing it's fairly quick to restart

[zealous flare]

or i realise i forgot to level up my aspect, or pick the trinket for the god im trying to increase social link with

ive always been scared to push the give up button just because i didnt want to end my streak, so ive always just played it out

[wheat kayak]

Not imagine beating the Furies and only then you realise you had the wrong keepsake for Tartarus

[zealous flare]

its at least a good way to realise ah it doesnt matter too much unless youre on like an extreme heat level or something

[wheat kayak]

wait you can lose your winning streak if you press on Give Up?

[zealous flare]

i dont think so

i think it just reloads your save

but also, im not clicking it

ill click it when i die i guess

[wheat kayak]

not that I care much about my streaks but yeah I can't be bothered to restart either if I end up going too far

[zealous flare]

i only accidentally got an OK one, so now its just well i guess i should just find out how far i can go

[wheat kayak]

for some reason I can manage even with extremely scuffed builds

At worst I'd just end up toiling away in an endurance fight to the death with the final boss

[zealous flare]

yeah those low damage runs are so tedious

seems they always happen for my on exagryph........

[wheat kayak]

I find that it's best that you run Zeus on attack

Almost a hard requirement if you want faster clear times at this point but please prove me wrong

[dense quarry]

Good evening! I have maybe the weirdest annoyance and request for help. I'm in a boon sell menu but I can't remember which button (on Switch) will allow me to exit the menu without selling any boons. The back button on the bottom does not tell me which button I need to press. Yes, I have accidentally sold boons before.

(Please, just show me what button I need to press or let me navigate down to that exit button, please)

[stuck sundial]

anyone else ruined their run with horrible hammer choises you were destined to make (chiron bow + slow explosive attack + double shot reduced range)

[dense quarry]

and I can't find a control map anywhere online so I'm sitting here like :^)

[zealous flare]

it should be B, the bottom one

[dense quarry]

ugh thank you! I am writing this down

[zealous flare]

also yeah, i have ruined several runs because i took hammers for the prophesy

most nintendo games will use A as an interact

very very very rarely is B anything besides cancel

and like, jump

[dense quarry]

I've been running into the oddball problem lately that Animal Crossing's control scheme seems to be exactly opposite of everything else and so my muscle memory is getting scrambled

[zealous flare]

animal crossing in general just does the opposite of what any sane video game would ever do

[dense quarry]

yeah fair haha

it seems like such an odd statement but I juggle Hades and ACNH if I want to be hype or chill lol

[zealous flare]

its a shame you have to sit through that ACNH loading screen every time

wish it didnt take so long to get ingame!

[dense quarry]

yyyeeeeeaaaaahhhh

oh well, good for making tea

[stuck sundial]

does forging bonds do anything?

there is a fancy banner on his tooth

[zealous flare]

depends on the person, but in general, no you just get the banner, story and codex

[brisk trail]

dude

i swear

speedrunning is just a lucky game

[ashen shore]

I have so many keepsakes but the only one I use is skellys tooth

[carmine ravine]

yes, thats what roguelites is

[brisk trail]

i know. but speedrunning in the sense of "relying" to RNG to get the best time instead of relying on skill is just...weird

[ashen shore]

i know. but speedrunning in the sense of "relying" to RNG to get the best time instead of relying on skill is just...weird
@brisk trail its pretty much praying to RNJesus

[brisk trail]

yes

aiming for higher heat is much more about skill rather than speedrunning

[carmine ravine]

@ashen shore i prefer to use sisy shackles for tartarus, boon keepsakes for asphodel and elysium, and skelly or ||pom blossom|| for styx

[brisk trail]

but people seem to enjoy speedrunning in hades

[carmine ravine]

bcoz speedrunning in hades needs u to be powerful and i dont think it depends on hanging on glitches like most platformers

[brisk trail]

@carmine ravine the build in every speedrun attempt is the same. zeuseidon eris, merciful end demeter fist, etc

[carmine ravine]

yes bcoz its powerful

[brisk trail]

it is powerful enough for low heat and effective. but it's the same build everytime and the only differences between run is just RNG

like do you get sisiphus/chaos gate

then if you dont get those npc your run is screwed

it's just weird idk

where doing high heat run really takes skill

[carmine ravine]

chaos is a distraction iirc

[zealous flare]

speedrunning is fun, but its a shame how much luck there is in it

[brisk trail]

you have to learn the added enemy skill etc

[zealous flare]

but i dont think the luck is necessarily in the build

the most luck-based thing in the run is styx tunnels

[carmine ravine]

speedrunning is never about skill, its about muscle memory and efficiency

[zealous flare]

my fastest run ended up with 5 tunnels and it was worthless

skill is muscle memory and efficiency

[brisk trail]

@zealous flare the luck is in the room. styx is one of the obvious ones. but if you dont get sissiphus, chaos gates, ixion in tartarus then your run is screwed

and people do repeat the same seed over and over again till they find the optimal RNG room

so it's a matter of investing so much time in finding the right RNG room

it's crazy

[carmine ravine]

its not efficient to dodge every enemy atk when u can bruteforce through and stay alive

[brisk trail]

i think it should be called "luckyrunning" instead of "speedrunning"

[tepid plover]

you can somewhat manipulate the seed, so is safe to call it speedrunning

[zealous flare]

idk dude, you dont have to do it if you hate it this much

[brisk trail]

@zealous flare i dont hate it. i just find the process behind it is really weird

like you can efficiently clear rooms, get the right boons

but then you don't get the right RNG in rooms then you dont have a good clear time

[zealous flare]

you cant say there is no skill in it

[brisk trail]

im not

[stuck sundial]

given that zag just found out a bit of info from ||demeter|| that he did not know, is progress with her required?

[zealous flare]

if me and a speedrunner got the exact same seed, he will get a better time than me

[carmine ravine]

@stuck sundial yes for epilogue

[brisk trail]

im saying it relying more on RNG, less than relying in skill.

[zealous flare]

i thought you couldnt finish her link until after the epilogue?

or is that a requirement for triggering it and I was misinformed

[carmine ravine]

u need the talk about ||kore|| from demeter to trigger the epilogue

[narrow hemlock]

you cannot do Demeter until post epilogue. the required dialogue is locked behind the epilogue

[zealous flare]

gotcha

[carmine ravine]

yes the favor is fater that but the talk is a prerequisite for epilogue

[stuck sundial]

ok, so lucky me got the dialogue after beating hades 9 times, on route to ten

[carmine ravine]

the talk also includes ||zeus saying demeter is a sore thumb||

so make sure u talk to him too

[stuck sundial]

are boon chances rigged to make sure you get many from the same gods?

so make sure u talk to him too
i vaguelly remember that bit of dialogue

[carmine ravine]

without keepsakes, u can get like 3/4 not including hermes

[stuck sundial]

damm it artemis give me the bow aspect dammit, she just commented on the demeter boon i just got

[delicate pilot]

batteling butterfly ball minboss

greater artemis call is ready

ARTEMIS!

every single arrow goes into the nearby eyeball

yeah thanks a bunch

[quartz lake]

F

[delicate pilot]

anyway on another note. personal achevement

beat butterfly ball without an eyeball picking up a weapon

[idle wind]

Question about privileged status.. say you use special to apply status effect 1 then attack to apply status effect 2... the that attack that applies the second effect get the bonus damage as well or do you have to go for a third hit after there's two status effects already on the enemy?

[zealous flare]

it always feels good to have a perfect clear of butterfly ball

its no witches' circle but its up there in terms of most annoying rooms in the game

at least it isn't shudders Tiny Vermin

[barren ocean]

I think it's the 3rd hit that applies the privileges status effect

Cause the first two are to get the effect

Tiny vermin is manageable with the right build

[zealous flare]

yeah but thats the same for every room

[barren ocean]

But yes everytime i see it

sighs

[zealous flare]

if i walk into witches' circle or tiny vermin on non deflecting fists i just want to die

[barren ocean]

"Here we go"

Witches circle without athena is painful

[zealous flare]

its one of the things i consistently take the most damage on

[barren ocean]

Unless I have like a good special on bow

Or varatha

[zealous flare]

ive done final boss fights and taken less damage than witches circle

[barren ocean]

XD

[zealous flare]

my brain deep fries itself

[barren ocean]

I mean if athena dash is available I almost always take it

[zealous flare]

for sure, that one boon can carry an entire run

[barren ocean]

There are very few things I would take over athena dash

[zealous flare]

two epics and a common athena dash? athena dash baby

[barren ocean]

Lmao for real

[vapid narwhal]

rarity doesnt matter on athena dash

hell it can remove the damage part and still be S tier

[zealous flare]

for sure

the damage is only useful for breaking pots and killing rats

[vapid narwhal]

I'd pick dash over any legendary from Athena

unless I'm in dire need of a DD

[zealous flare]

one athena dash is worth like 4 death defies

dont need a death defy if you can reflect death man tapping head

[quasi olive]

Hi everyone, quick question. The way the shattered shackles work is that for example, while your special is not empowered by a boon, it gets a bonus, but if for example your cast gets a boon, then the shackles bonus does not apply to the cast anymore, but it still does for the special, am I right?

[dreamy briar]

Yep

[quasi olive]

OK perfect!

Thanks for the quick confirmation! : )

[dreamy briar]

Shackle is pretty good for the first area, if I don’t know what god to go for at the start then I usually end up taking it

[quasi olive]

Yeah, I've always wondered how cool it could be, so I decided to give it a go in combination with Dark Foresight.

With the bow and Chiron Aspect, I figured it could be fun.

[dreamy briar]

Sounds pretty solid, might give it a go later

[delicate pilot]

if I do a ||overful heat gauge run|| do i lose out on the rewards in the ||tier below?||

[short bear]

Quick question does Vengeful Mood duo boon work at distance or is it strickly in the circle it makes every 3 seconds ?

[vapid narwhal]

if I do a ||overful heat gauge run|| do i lose out on the rewards in the ||tier below?||
@delicate pilot No, you always get the rewards for the highest tier you are actually on

so you wont miss out anything

[bright lance]

Dang
I did a Dionysus build with Chiron Bow and it did even better than the Aphrodite + Artemis build, easiest +fastest run so far
[Legendary] Black Out +60% dmg in Festive Fog
[Duo] Ice Wine, [Duo] Low Tolerance (+3 hangover stacks)
Heroic hangover special and Heroic Trippy Shot

I got really good RNG for 1 Legendary, 2 Duos, and 2 heroics lol

[violet delta]

Wife and I were talking, and it'd be kinda possible for SGG to add an expansion by adding a new "zone" through Chaos's domain.

What little we see of Chaos, and their realm is both random and still, Chaos doesn't seem to have control over the things he creates despite being aware of them, everything requires sacrifice, and he (and possibly his realm) seem connected to all things.

Since ||Zag doesn't seem to die in it like he does in the outside world,||
theoretically, Zag could utilize Chaos's domain as a "fast travel system" to visit important folks, maybe even gods themselves, beating through whatever eldritch horrors happen to be in his way and revolves around a "Chaos" system where you "pick your poison" rather than your reward for each chamber.

Hell, could make it a system where you choose between 2-3 chambers, each adding some kind of "heat" equivalent benefit to enemies for every future chamber that run, gaining rewards that scale with the difficulty level you've chosen for each chamber.

Pick a chamber that grants enemies a lot of power, now you get your choice of Epic boons, or pick a small penalty for a bit of gold,, or so on. So you basically scale the entire run to your difficulty level in the first couple chambers before plateauing until you get another power spike (and can bump up the difficulty/rewards some more).

Would be different enough to feel fresh, while still fitting perfectly for a theme that matches existing lore and mechanics.

I dunno, seemed cool in my head.

Also, we realized the game isn't actually about Zagreus, but his father. The game is about Hades's son going on a mission that ends up making Hades a better person.

Zag hardly goes through any character development: he never stops being a brash teenager that stops using cursed weapons that showed up in his bedroom that EVERYONE IS CREEPED OUT ABOUT. He even sides with Lucifer, like some dumb teen would.

Hades, on the other hand, is the first one to show regret and change.

Props for SGG for pulling one over on us, it was in the friggin' name!

Should have been more obvious so I don't feel so stupid, guys.

[nocturne reef]

idk I thought it was pretty obvious by ||the time you get to the 'ending'||

[brisk trail]

He even sides with Lucifer, like some dumb teen would.

LOL, tbf, Greek mythology precedes Christian one, their conversation before boss fight(s) even alluded they don't even know who are those ||Arthur, Guan Yu, Lucifer, etc||

[nocturne reef]

yeah

[fallen pond]

Most importantly ||it's a game, not a mythology lesson||

[bright lance]

wait a second
Athena call full gauge is so overpowered for bosses, especially with chiron bow
You just sit there right in front of them and spam attack

[nocturne reef]

yep

even better with her legendary shield

just in case you are spamming too hard

[bright lance]

dang yeah, i severely underestimated her call
Usually i only got her divine dash and ignored her doors the rest

[nocturne reef]

deflect can be really good if you combine it with other stuff

[raven meteor]

Athena full gauge can let you destroy anything with zero risk

[nocturne reef]

lmao

[raven meteor]

Except lernie and the final boss, i guess

[bright lance]

also how is chiron bow so good
||I've gotten up to 7 heat clears in a row with minimal effort,|| just by making sure i start with a strong special boon from the start with rerolls
Not complaining but its so fun to try different specials with

[nocturne reef]

I actually super suck with the bow lmao

[bright lance]

Dio, Artemis, and Demeter all work so well with Chiron

[nocturne reef]

I prefer the rail

[bright lance]

oh dang
for me its been the opposite so far lol

although its prob cause chiron is the only one i maxed out with blood

[nocturne reef]

a good investment from what I hear from speedrunners

lmao

I am just bad with the attack then special combo

[bright lance]

I finally saved enough blood for another one, but I'm thinking if I should max out the bow secret aspect or just max out on a different weapon

[fallen pond]

It all depends on what you want

I went with unlocking all the aspects first

[sharp fossil]

some of the aspects don’t need maxing to work alright

i unlocked them all before really upgrading any as well, yeah

it’s only really hestia, chiron, chaos, and ||guan yu|| that need to be maxed imho

[bright lance]

Hmm yeah makes sense

Any build suggestions for ||gilgamesh||? First time trying it

[balmy ginkgo]

is there a "build creator"?

something that allows you to socket in everything you want etc etc?

[agile saddle]

they need to fix the pathing on Asterius' charge move. it's completely random if you get hit for not. sometimes he will rush through a pillar or make such a sharp turn mid rush u can't dodge in time

[balmy ginkgo]

i wish aphro cast wasnt so terribad 😐

its actually so bad

[fallen pond]

Any build suggestions for ||gilgamesh||? First time trying it
@bright lance
Honestly you can build anything on the beyblade mittens

Aphro cast is great for hera

Also good for privileged status

[balmy ginkgo]

can we please address why duo boon rooms sometimes dont give duo boons

the logic of this boggles my mind really

[robust sundial]

you mean the trials opposing two gods ?

[balmy ginkgo]

why isnt this 100% chance on the second pick

yeah

[fallen pond]

They're not duo rooms lol

[sharp fossil]

what’s a duo boon room

oh trials?

yeah they can’t give you duos (well, not the duo of the two gods in the room)

[robust sundial]

he wants a cooperative boon from competing gods

[sharp fossil]

^

[balmy ginkgo]

pretty much

duo boons are so hard to come by

these rooms should definitely give a duo at the end of the fight

[sharp fossil]

in trials, the gods are being angry at each other, so it wouldn’t make sense for them to grant you a duo

[balmy ginkgo]

considering how tough these rooms are in general

it does

they make up after you finish .-.

[sharp fossil]

i guess?

either way; the benefit of those rooms is an extra boon

[balmy ginkgo]

i know that much

but i hate that duo boons feel like once in a lifetime thing

[sharp fossil]

that’s already pretty big, particularly if you want both of the gods

[balmy ginkgo]

i have about 100 runs and i think i got duo boons around.. 3 times??

[sterile token]

They're not that rare. I get one every other run?

[robust sundial]

@balmy ginkgo they make up with you after the fight. BTW do you have || the codex upgrade to check the list of boons and prerequisite for duos ? And the mirror of night talent that increases the chane of a boon to be duo ?||

[sharp fossil]

honestly i get at least one pretty much every run

[balmy ginkgo]

i do have it yeah

[sharp fossil]

not always the one i want ofc lol

but they’re not that rare

[balmy ginkgo]

how do you get one every run?

i have around 100 runs

and ive seen maybe 3-5 maybe if my memory is very selective rn

[sharp fossil]

not every run, but most i’d say

at least i’m offered one

[sterile token]

I dunno, do you get to the temple of styx? By that point at least one of my boons will offer me a duo

[sharp fossil]

i build specifically towards them, usually

[robust sundial]

When I went hunting for them to complete the prophecy, I just checked what were the prerequisite gods boons and equipped keepsakes accordingly.

[sharp fossil]

and use persuasion to maximise the chances

[sterile token]

what's persuasion?

[robust sundial]

fated persuasion

[sterile token]

ah

[sharp fossil]

the final mirror option

[robust sundial]

lets you reroll choices

[sterile token]

BTW, I was wondering if it would be frowned upon if I promoted my Hades stream on here when live?

[light knot]

3 duo in 100 games ? damn

if you're not unlucky i don't know what my name is

[robust sundial]

#self-promotion @sterile token

[sterile token]

Ah thanks, didn't see the channel!

[robust sundial]

[fallen pond]

I love the trial rooms, it's the free-est of boons

[agile saddle]

Some duos aren't even very good which is sad

[fallen pond]

Tbh almost all boons are good

[agile saddle]

meh 85% sure though some are obviously more situational

[fallen pond]

Well yeah

Going the same build every run gets stale fast unless you're speed running

[balmy ginkgo]

im not sure if dark foresight is better than olymp favour

[abstract drum]

I’ve been bouncing between using the Mirror Traits for extra boons and Duo/legendary chance, Rare and Epic chance, and a couple with rare and duo/legendary chance. Haven’t quite determined if any setup is ‘better’ for runs yet, but I’m leaning towards Rare/Epic combo

[dire hearth]

Hi everyone =)

[abstract drum]

Hello!

[dire hearth]

Sry to just crash in the middle of the conversation x)

I’ve been bouncing between using the Mirror Traits for extra boons and Duo/legendary chance, Rare and Epic chance, and a couple with rare and duo/legendary chance. Haven’t quite determined if any setup is ‘better’ for runs yet, but I’m leaning towards Rare/Epic combo
@abstract drum I feel like extra boons + duo is the way to go if you're using the mirror uograde that gives you +40% dmg when you apply 2 curses

Also depends on what build you're looking for

[abstract drum]

I’ve definitely run that the most and gotten my best time with it iirc, but the +40r%/+20e% just feels so consistent and clean

I also haven’t really noticed a difference getting rid of the extra boons thing, but thats mostly because I only really pay close attention looking out for Hermes’ boons 🤡

Since I’m a filthy ZagFist+Plume player

[dire hearth]

XD

Definitely not a fan of the fists

[abstract drum]

Walking into my first [redacted] EM4 fight with 70% autododge chance was very satisfying

[dire hearth]

What is your highest heat lvl ?

[abstract drum]

20 so far

[dire hearth]

Walking into my first [redacted] EM4 fight with 70% autododge chance was very satisfying
@abstract drum rofl

Kk

Just cleared 20 heat saturday

With chiron's bow

[abstract drum]

I need to invest some time into the bow and rail. Avoided them like the plague, have maaaaybe 3 runs each with 0 clears on either ☠️

[dire hearth]

I'm at 7 or 8 heat with everything but the spear

11 with the rail

And 21 with the bow

But 5 with the fists xD

[abstract drum]

Do you have the fists upgraded?

[dire hearth]

Maxxed the second and legendary aspects

[abstract drum]

Max out the default aspect

Max Rank Zagreus Fists with Plume is so cheese

[dire hearth]

I'll try that tinight then ^^

[abstract drum]

Make sure you’re using the green mirror dodge trait too, that makes it significantly better

[dire hearth]

I will probably stop climbing heat with the bow for a day or two, to clear the prophecies I have left/farm some darkness

Make sure you’re using the green mirror dodge trait too, that makes it significantly better
@abstract drum ok

[abstract drum]

Basically if you get enough stacks on Plume and/or get lucky with Hermes, getting a Near Miss dodge means 3 seconds of being untouchable

[dire hearth]

XD

Wow

We're talking cheddar cheese

[abstract drum]

Yeah ZagFist/Plume combo is b-b-b-busted

[dire hearth]

Random question

About the future cross-save feature, it will be possible to send your pc save file to your switch, but will it be possible to do switch save file to pc ?

Did the devs tzlked about it ?

[granite ether]

No word on cross saves yet

I wouldn't say busted, you get pretty good dodge chance out of it though

[dire hearth]

Ok> No word on cross saves yet
@granite ether thx

I wouldn't say busted, you get pretty good dodge chance out of it though
@granite ether Imho, big dmg is the way to go

[granite ether]

Assuming you somehow get 35% dodge chance on plume, you'll end up with ~45% dodge chance with max zag fists

[dire hearth]

Can't really think of anything really stronger than a big Artemis special chiron build

[granite ether]

(because dodge is inverse multiplicative)

[dire hearth]

In terms of sheer power

Got a few really good cast builds (big hunting blades fan)

But artemis special + Chiron and Aremis specizl + eris rail + rocket/cluster bomb

[granite ether]

Eris rail can do some pretty disgusting things. Have a looks at the any heat speedrun boards most (if not all) the top times are Eris

[dire hearth]

Yup, saw Haelian do some pretty crazy stuff

In terms of room clearing, it doesnt get any better than Eris + Zeus attack I guess

But when it comes to solo targets, I think that the bow is in a tier of his own with the right daedalus upgrades

[agile saddle]

i have 19 heat on every weapon but i still find the rail my least favorite weapon followed by shield.

[robust sundial]

gets shield. Gets Daedalus "attack hits twice".

[agile saddle]

i always run chaos shield cause its busted so i never basic attack when using it

[dire hearth]

Still need to try the legendary aspects

Got my first win with Chaos Shield but I really don't enjoy playing it

[robust sundial]

you also need to spoiler that name

[dire hearth]

Sry :/

[robust sundial]

but please do take it to ||the surface|| while you're at it 😉

[agile saddle]

I took ||Beo|| to surface for proph but hated it

[dire hearth]

Yup it's the last one I have to end a run with

[robust sundial]

I liked it because it's shield gameplay, but ||didn't even use the cast charging mechanic because it was too cumbersome to use ||

[dire hearth]

X)

[robust sundial]

seriously, most of my runs with the shield are like "wheeee, frisbeeee !"

[dire hearth]

X)

[robust sundial]

unless I get daedalus twin hits and then I just pummel everything.

[dire hearth]

I used to like that

Then I started melting bosses with Eris/Chiron

Could never look back xD

[fallen pond]

Zeus shield with double hit + bonus attack damage when special hits

[gritty sand]

That good?

[fallen pond]

Really good

[gritty sand]

I only use chaos shield with doom as it basically carries me xD

Is zeus shield worth it or should I finish chiron bow first

[zealous galleon]

I never use the cast ability tbh

[fallen pond]

It's extremely strong as a zeus/aphro or athena/ares

[clever island]

who is the evil evil evil evil person who made that small room with like 20 flamewheels

[fallen pond]

Dash through walls

Dont fight them

[clever island]

i had ruthless reflex on 😓

[fallen pond]

So do I

[clever island]

not used to the timing of it it was my first run with it

[fallen pond]

Dw, you'll get the hang of it

[still hedge]

When you're having a rough day and then athena gives you divine dash

[amber cloak]

So I heard that there was a ||hidden boss fight with Charon by interacting with a sack behind him that randomly appears in the shop. Is it just super rare or am I missing something? I've never before seen this sack.||

[tiny grove]

It is rare yah

it's around 1/5?

emphasis on question mark

[humble quarry]

it never appears in the preboss charon

[amber cloak]

THaaaaat makes a lot more sense

I only go to the shop right before boss to spend all my obols

So I guess I should try to go to mid act Charon

[tiny grove]

ya ngl|| he ended my run twice in a row||

||consider him to have a similar threat level as final boss if you have no idea what he does||

[mossy grove]

||I’m undefeated against him||

[amber cloak]

The wiki says "||The fight has the same difficulty regardless of the biome, so players will have the best chance of defeating Charon if they initiate the fight in Elysium, after they've received some boons.||"

Does that mean once I trigger the sack it will stay and I can wait till Elysium to start the fight?

[tiny grove]

||I beat him all the time now but I still need to practice, and it's a harder fight to practice for than say final boss because it just comes up so much less||

Don't think so. Think you see it, it's a one off.

Then again I've never tried to test it because I just go for it

[amber cloak]

I might try it if I see it in Tartarus because attempting it for the first time in Tartarus sounds like an easy way to die lol

[mossy grove]

Yes

[tiny grove]

Yah that's how I died first time

I tried

[mossy grove]

I usually get him in asphodel

[delicate agate]

I tried to get him in my last runs by visiting every shop but didnt get him :(
Even got the title for Shopping Trip at the end

[tiny grove]

Ya I mean, not guaranteed by any means

even if you hit 3 shops that's still approx 3 rolls at 1/5 probability

so that would be around a coin flip

[clever island]

I wonder what would happen if they ever added a spear hammer/aspect that made you teleport to your spear after you special instead of it returning to you

[flat vapor]

[fallen pond]

You mean like Achilles?

[clever island]

o

is achilles like that

[ornate olive]

kinda

[clever island]

i have been tunnel visioning hades and guan yu aspects

[fallen pond]

You dash to your spear on the second cast

[clever island]

ohhh

[fallen pond]

It's pretty dank

[clever island]

i mean like insta teleport

[fallen pond]

Nah, but it's pretty fast

[clever island]

oooh

i'll get it after i get poseidon's aspect

[ornate olive]

godspeed

[raw lantern]

Huge catch boon!! i love it

i got 7 NECTAR in one run from just the fish

[ornate olive]

[raw lantern]

[subtle valley]

Hey there, the Hades feedback thread on Steam points to a #hades-feedback channel to provide feedback. Does that channel still exist, and if not, where is the best place to provide (specific, actionable) feedback?

[flat vapor]

it's been archived with the release of 1.0

[subtle valley]

That's unfortunate =(. Do you think there's still a place where feedback has a chance to be seen, or is that more or less a lost cause?

[flat vapor]

i think just talking and interacting the server/subreddit/steam forums is enough

[clever karma]

then i died

😔

[quaint hatch]

Phase is a spoiler pls tag

You'll get it next time ;D

[clever island]

sad that u can't meme with ||rama aspect special|| that hard 😔

[quaint hatch]

?

[clever island]

u can't get charged volley or concentrated volley with it

[quaint hatch]

Special build for 4th
That would be meme

[flat vapor]

it's not really

it's a great special, perfectly viable on its own

[quaint hatch]

Didn't say it isn't viable ^^

[fierce jackal]

@clever island Double shot + explosive shot

point blank mega blast

[leaden patio]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[quaint hatch]

Big numbers attack

Special as enabler for more attack damage

[leaden patio]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[quaint hatch]

It's slow overall

As most secret aspects are

Attack build can be very powerful imo

||Rama|| twin shot, point blank/perfect shot/explosive shot, artemis/aphro

Artemis or aphro attack, heart rend, maybe chain shot and smoldering air

P fun

[fierce jackal]

It worked kind of alright, double shot meant any armoured weak dudes would still be instakilled since two seperate instances

Yeah lucked out on epic aphro + double + explosive + pressure points + marked

[clever island]

I kinda wish at least one of the hidden aspects played fast but they're all unique so it's fine

[fierce jackal]

Missed out on arty special crit to get marked going for primary though

[quaint hatch]

Poggers I'm in a 14 streak bois

[clever island]

[quaint hatch]

Most regular aspects okay pretty fast comparetively ig

[clever island]

i had an 18 streak run then died on a first time luci

[quaint hatch]

Let's hope I surpass that

[clever island]

Let's hope I surpass that

[quaint hatch]

My first death will prolly be after I levels up gy and fried a run with it

Unleveld gy was the death of my first streak

[brisk trail]

what are you guys talking about? O_o

[quaint hatch]

Top secret stuff

[red coral]

hey! if you'd like to discuss spoilers move to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat please!

[quaint hatch]

Sry the name slipped

Otherwise it should be fine though!?

[fierce jackal]

my first big streak ended because Demeter

demeter everywhere

[tawny drum]

I keep getting good runs with shield secret aspect

it's so good

[brisk trail]

How do I unlock the ||garden next to Zag’s room||?

[hexed trail]

Just progress the main story

[austere jacinth]

||Let me do gardening, SSG! Let me garden. There's a great one on the surface!|| xDD

[fallen pond]

I kinda wish at least one of the hidden aspects played fast but they're all unique so it's fine
@clever island
gloves my dude

[dawn linden]

yo guys

immmmmmma

[fierce belfry]

wat

[dawn linden]

play on controller but i have been playing on keyboard

how much different is it

[fierce belfry]

bruh

idk

easy to me

but im on switch

soooooo

[dawn linden]

yeah you prob btter than me as well

[fierce belfry]

idk

[gusty slate]

Down to personal preference really

[fierce belfry]

i looooooove chaos shield

2 run down wiht it

[gusty slate]

I'm terrible with controllers lol

[fierce belfry]

hopefully i can finish with fists again

[clever island]

mkb and controller are both good options

[gusty slate]

Can also use both

[clever island]

yeah

[gusty slate]

I've seen setups where both are used at once

[clever island]

wait

[gusty slate]

holup? xD

[clever island]

that's not what i was thinking

lol

i thought u meant like mkb for one weapon and controller for another

[quaint hatch]

There are certain elites under us

Nah at the same time

[abstract jackal]

Ok so is the bow just bad or am I dumb

[gusty slate]

It's an interesting playstyle

[abstract jackal]

Does it have upgrades that make it easier to use?

[quaint hatch]

Nothing is bad

Yes

[gusty slate]

People recommend dash attacks on it, but there are hammers which can drastically change things

[quaint hatch]

Some aspects are easier to people

I don't like vanilla bow
Chiron I fell in love with

[abstract jackal]

Oh so when I unlock Titans blood stuff the bow styles are easier?

[gusty slate]

A different playstyle might fit you better

[lost bridge]

The sword is pretty good, even without upgrades

[gusty slate]

So possibly

[abstract jackal]

I like the gun and I like the melee weapons

[quaint hatch]

Preference

[lost bridge]

And you don't need to unlock it

Giving you more time to practice with it.

[quaint hatch]

Everything is good
Sword is just you pov

[lost bridge]

What's the most annoying monster

[quaint hatch]

Hmm hard to say

Prolly the shield dudes

Imo

Can't just no brain wail on them xD

[gusty slate]

I mean you can

[winter mirage]

I hate the rats

Close ranged builds more like sip on poison 😩

[gusty slate]

They also hit surprisingly hard

but if you're fast enough can interrupt their poison

[amber cloak]

Dude, nothing makes you feel more bad than getting hit by a skull wave in the final fight only to dash out and get hit again by the same wave

[solid trout]

dashing into already dodged projectiles is my best skill

[orchid umbra]

Finally find this place.

Nice to meet all of you.

[amber cloak]

Nice to meet you too

[flat vapor]

👋

[amber cloak]

Any point to ||ranks from resource director||? Like do they affect story progression or give any real benefit?

[flat vapor]

they're entirely cosmetic

there as a resource dump

[amber cloak]

Oh, so it's the endgame resource sink

[flat vapor]

yep!

[zealous galleon]

What's the most annoying monster
@lost bridge shield bois or the tiny explodey things

[solid trout]

chariots

[flat vapor]

seeker witches

[tired merlin]

large rats or shield crystals

[flat vapor]

wait, i take it back

BP2 dracons

[lost bridge]

Seeker witches

[velvet grail]

I am finding it impossible to "make" builds. There is just no way I can control what I get. When I wear keepsakes for gods I typically get there symbol like three maybe four rooms in. Also, I never seem to get the boons I need to make duos. What am I doing wrong? The game is now seeming to get more difficult since my character is garbage.

[lost bridge]

do you have death defiance

[velvet grail]

I do, just burned through all of them and died in Elysium when I typically always make it Hades

my luck last time was very bad

but I just can't seem to make things appear that I need

[lost bridge]

Like after Meg?

[abstract jackal]

Have y’all ever seen the super rat

[velvet grail]

What? Elysium is two stages after Meg

[abstract jackal]

Man almost ended my run

[lost bridge]

Okay

[velvet grail]

Okay? lol

[flat vapor]

do you have the final mirror talents yet

[velvet grail]

nope, almost at 30 keys

[flat vapor]

ah, that final block has a great rng control tool that really helps out in build making

[velvet grail]

boom

thank you sir, knew I must be missing something

[flat vapor]

👍

[north bison]

is the sneak supposed to lose any weapon aspect effects i put on it when it teleports to a different area of the room? like aspect of chiron targeting or the aspect of hades thing? :- (

[quaint hatch]

Yep

Same happens with the move from redacted

[brisk trail]

Only thing that doesn't drop is lodged Bloodstones.

[austere jacinth]

Silly question for all: which non-divine figure would you add to the game if you could?

[quaint hatch]

Artemis's gf or Daedalus (I think he's not a god right?)

[austere jacinth]

Callisto is a nymph and Daedalus was mortal. So those work.

[brisk trail]

Daedelus to replace the Anvil with a better option

[austere jacinth]

The hammer is awesome though. Always prioritise xD.

I'd like to catch up with Odysseus, personally. Especially given Achilles's prominence in Hades. And his post-death growth.

[quaint hatch]

Daedelus to replace the Anvil with a better option
@brisk trail 200% on that

[indigo canopy]

whats the best ||aspect|| to use with coronacht? btw i dont have the ||hidden aspect|| just the ||aspects of chiron and hera||

[austere jacinth]

A lot of folks swear by ||Chiron||. That one is pretty fun.

[solid trout]

|| chiron || slaps

[tiny grove]

It's definitely high on usability and feels strong

[indigo canopy]

i find ||chiron|| quite difficult to use

[tiny grove]

Needs levels invested thoughj

[solid trout]

it just comes down to getting practice with it

[indigo canopy]

how does ||hera|| work with casts like ||demeter|| and dionysus?

[abstract jackal]

is the ||zeus shield aspect|| any good? i wanna make a stupid shield throw build

[amber cloak]

Imagine being a mob so hated you have a whole Wheel of Charon item to prevent you from existing

[quaint hatch]

Every bow aspect is awesome

Same is every shield aspect

Love all of them

I try to suppress flame wheels

[dry mauve]

all the bow aspects are fun

chiron is probably the easiest to use

[raw lantern]

i almost beat my run but i died in the last sliver of health AAUGH

[quaint hatch]

@indigo canopy Dionysus cast is one of the best to run with hera

It'll just spawn the casts where it hit

[indigo canopy]

thank you, and how does ||demeters|| work?

Imagine being a mob so hated you have a whole Wheel of Charon item to prevent you from existing
@amber cloak what enemy is this?

[amber cloak]

The flame wheels from Elysium

[quaint hatch]

Exploding dudes

Or rather exploding means of transportation

[amber cloak]

Tbf if you're running melee builds like swords whose only ranged option is cast, those guys are a nightmare

[indigo canopy]

factual statement^

hate running malph and styg in elysium

[quaint hatch]

Special actually has enough range to kill the without self damage

Same as special

It's just a doozy and a half to time

Especially with 10 of those chasing you down

[amber cloak]

The thing about cast and special for flame wheels is that those have wind up, not something you want when you got 10 of them charging at you

[gusty slate]

I run spearpoint elysium onward usually, so I just punch them and facetank some xD

dodge if can

[amber cloak]

And special is still risky if they're moving, no guarantee they'll be in range or too close

[indigo canopy]

u can hit them and dodge and take no dmg but your timing has to be pretty good

[amber cloak]

The biggest troll move of the devs is that they made the default movement speed and two dashes bareeely enough to outrun the big flame wheels so it always make running away from them sweat inducing

Them and Asterius are half the reasons I ever pick up Hyper Sprint

[indigo canopy]

just lost 2 dd in asphodel

i didnt know "borrow" meant absolute unexpected annihilation from ||charon||

[quaint hatch]

What did you think would be the punishment for theft?

[indigo canopy]

maybe something less than losing three dd before elysium god mf dayum ||charon||

maybe something less than losing three dd before elysium god mf dayum ||charon||

maybe something less than losing three dd before elysium god mf dayum charon

[austere jacinth]

Hahaha. He's chill with ||defying Hades, secretly associating with Hermes, providing Zag with a testing dummy to help him escape the underworld|| but if you pick up some coins in front of him? Hell no.

[ember ravine]

considering the age-old roguelike tradition of ||you steal from the shopkeeper, the shopkeeper gets ANGERY||, you got off lightly

[quaint hatch]

At least you're still alive

Yeah but charon is all about the money

[indigo canopy]

wait skelly ||was bought by charon?||

wait

more importantly

[ember ravine]

?

[indigo canopy]

||charon spends his money??||

[ember ravine]

||where are you getting the idea skelly was bought by charon?||

[austere jacinth]

||Skelly works for Charon, yes.||

[indigo canopy]

Hahaha. He's chill with ||defying Hades, secretly associating with Hermes, providing Zag with a testing dummy to help him escape the underworld|| but if you pick up some coins in front of him? Hell no.
@ember ravine

[austere jacinth]

||Hermes is in on the whole thing. Charon's the reason he helps Zag as well. After Skelly spills the beans, there's some dialogue with both Charon and Hermes about it.||

[dusk mantle]

Does "Triple bomb" (on Rail) stack on Ares special ?? Anyone knows?

Does it actually do 3 times the damage?

Or does it divide the damage between the 3 bombs?

[quaint hatch]

Doom is applied per attack

[cloud apex]

Each one can apply doom but you realistically only get 1 doom on enemy

So basically unchanged

[dusk mantle]

Hm okay

[quaint hatch]

Only benefit you'd get is from the boom that stacks doom

[austere jacinth]

Doom boom

[quaint hatch]

Doom indeed boom

[amber garden]

I absolutely adore this game. My god.

[austere jacinth]

I know. GOTY for me. No question.

[indigo canopy]

facts^

[rich grotto]

Right up there with Isaac imo. Probably a little better in the sense that runs don't take as long.

[west jacinth]

Question for folks who've peeked into the asset files: How would I be able to get a high-res image of something in them?

Reason: The Adamant Rail wiki page is missing an entry for Ricochet Fire and I wanna get it's icon so I can add the entry in.

(I'm also primarily a Switch player - until cross-saves go live, I won't be able to unlock it for a bit =/)

[gusty slate]

I think stacking Doom isn't very effective until you get the boons that increase damage for stacks

[tepid plover]

didnt they make it so you need conch shell for the fishing legendary to spawn?

oh wait nvm

[velvet grail]

So the enemies scale with you?

The more powerful I get the faster I seem to die lol

Jesus

[wind nest]

The enemies don't scale with you

[tepid plover]

the enemies scale with the zone

[wind nest]

Yeah each area the enemies are stronger

[tepid plover]

so elysium foes, are harder than tartarus ones

[wind nest]

but they don't randomly get stronger because you got a boon

[velvet grail]

I was consistently getting to Hades with four lives

[ebon hazel]

and also with any pact options / chaos debuffs

[tepid plover]

whether you get stronger or not, it doesnt matter

[velvet grail]

not I am lucky to get there at all and I am super powerful

now*

[wind nest]

Maybe you're just playing badly?

[indigo canopy]

heat?

[delicate pilot]

hey fellas

[wind nest]

But they definitely don't get more powerful unless you play with heat

[delicate pilot]

should i do more spear runs or play with another weapon?

[velvet grail]

I guess? Not sure how I was doing so well before but now that I have better stuff doing worse

makes no sense

[austere jacinth]

I go with thirst, but play how you want, dude.

[wind nest]

Hades takes skill

one thing that does change is that the bosses start getting variations on them

maybe you're dying to variants more?

[gusty slate]

Perhaps the stronger you get the more confident you get in which makes you play less safely?

[indigo canopy]

^^^

[zealous galleon]

Nah I've noticed the bone hydra does change and get some new moves depending on either how many runs you've done or how how many times you've defeated it

[tired merlin]

I thought the attacks changed with the heads

[vernal obsidian]

Why can't I send pictures

[gusty slate]

Need to upload somewhere else to post

imgur or personal discord

[vernal obsidian]

So pm ?

[delicate pilot]

i think the only boss that doesn't change is thesus

[gusty slate]

Well he gets different calls

[velvet grail]

I've got two duo boons and four lives in the lava world

[austere jacinth]

He and Asterius also have different duo moves.

[velvet grail]

If I don't win I am smashing my PC with a baseball bat

[austere jacinth]

... Please don't do that.

[sinful pine]

first clear on 1.0

just...wow

[austere jacinth]

I had emotions too.

[gusty slate]

[dense prism]

emotions? whats that

[austere jacinth]

Ask Aphrodite.

[brisk trail]

It's this chemical reaction in your brain, deceivers all of them

[sour niche]

Anyone knows how to get Stygian's World Splitter. I played 165 hours never seen it

[sinful pine]

hammer iirc

@dense prism omg zagreus hair flip for your pfp

zagreus hair flip makes me feel well...things

[austere jacinth]

Makes lots of people feel things, apparently. Not even gods are immune. xD

Than watches the Styx for reasons~

[dense prism]

zagreus hair flip is p cute i suppose

[brisk trail]

Do all bosses get variations?

[austere jacinth]

Yes.

[brisk trail]

cause I know the Furies have 3, and the Hydra I JUST saw a second one

[austere jacinth]

Well, except the secret boss. I think he stays the same.

[brisk trail]

and I've seen Theseus ride around in a cart

[stuck sundial]

should i max zeus or chaos shield first?

[austere jacinth]

Yeah, Theseus gets diff calls and there are a couple of duo-moves with Asterius too.

[brisk trail]

Ooo

that sounds fun

cause I got a Malphon run where I just steamrolled to the surface

[wind nest]

I love Zeus shield way more than chaos shield but most people say otherwise

[rough ivy]

Anyone ever have any dreams based on hades?

I had a dream last night 😮

[austere jacinth]

I never really remember my dreams anyway. So... Maybe, I guess.

[rough ivy]

In it zagreus really wanted to kiss megaera and i learned that if he had a dæmon (like in his dark materials by philip pullman but based on animal behavior not symbolism in culture) it'd be a species of hornet

Good luck

[austere jacinth]

A hornet? xDD

[rough ivy]

High energy, territorial, aggressive but dedicated...

[velvet grail]

five lives gone in less than a minute, yep, enemies scale

[rough ivy]

😂

[velvet grail]

whoever said they didnt is wrong

Hades, imo is impossible

[vapid lance]

Rip computer

[velvet grail]

they scale

kind of dumb for a roguelike

[deep geyser]

Did you add Extra Measures?

[austere jacinth]

The final boss is a spoiler in this channel, I believe.

[deep geyser]

@velvet grail

[velvet grail]

what is that?

[deep geyser]

Nvm then

[velvet grail]

Well what is it?

[deep geyser]

But yeah your experience is very different from mine at least I can say

The final boss didn't start busting out new moves, unless you mean ||The second stage||

[vapid lance]

I love that ||the title of the game is an anti-spoiler. If somebody says they beat Hades, people might think they just mean the game.||

[deep geyser]

Lol

[austere jacinth]

I'd give Zag something nicer than a hornet.

He's not all that territorial either xDD

Although he is small. At least relative to the other gods~

[reef stream]

its kinda funny that zag has lava boots (or what it looks like it, and it creates lava particles as he walks) and ||he burns if he steps on lava||

[austere jacinth]

Those are his feet

Not boots.

[abstract jackal]

cursed

[austere jacinth]

He's flame resistant, not flame proof.

It's not a curse, he just runs hot. Hades has it too

As an aside, Than and Zag (and I think the Furies too) have the same greaves. Standard Underworld issue xDD

[reef stream]

oh my god

lol right when i checked he said that he was flame resistant

[austere jacinth]

xD

I mean, generally worse things happen to people who wade into lava than a little ticking damage xD

[reef stream]

i get ya

[stable hearth]

hey guys i dont really know which chat to write this in, but does anyone know why ares's heart isnt unlocking even after i completed his mission?

i did around 2 runs after completeing the mission too

[reef stream]

i also hate that in the second area when you go to a new room that you cant walk on to the boat and you have to press E to get on it, I always walk into lava because I cant get onto the boat.

[brisk trail]

You just keep talking to him, Ares guy

Rng dialogue

[reef stream]

also what is the god that gives you the 3 spears attack boon?

[stable hearth]

alright, thanks! wanted to make sure i wasnt doing smth wrong

[reef stream]

that boon is so helpful

is it the god of hunt? I think it is but idk.

[granite ether]

@velvet grail ||the Hades fight||is a spoiler in this channel please use spoiler tags

[reef stream]

should i write that in for new players?

[rough ivy]

Hey idk much about hornets there r about 20 species so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral ice]

@woven cipher My friend has the exact some problem :( Dusa has no new conversations, just generic dialogue. She maxed her hearts just before ||the epilogue|| though, I'm not sure if that's a problem?
@umbral ice Okay it finally happened! It just took 16 runs after giving her the last ambrosia. In case anyone else runs into this problem, seems to be an RNG thing.

[raw lantern]

zeus pls give me your double strike boon aahhh

[dapper mango]

also game looks amazing, great looking 2D : D high res 2D very cool, refreshing : D

[ashen sphinx]

Man - if the house contractor could sell like a several thousand gem side-grade to add 500 or 1000 Darkness to the inventory in Charon's Shop in Styx, that would be awesome. I've got like 100k worth of darkness to grind for badges after 550 runs.

[hoary canopy]

||chaos and darker thirst||

[covert glen]

I'm curious, but what was the decision to have ||Daedalus upgrade gear through hammers||, rather than having them be ||Hephaestus boons||?

spoilers are for non-hades players who don't wanna be spoiled

[austere jacinth]

||I think the reasoning was that the team wanted the hammer upgrades to feel different to the boons||

[fair dove]

It makes sense too. It’s a direct modifier to your weapon, rather than enhancing its abilities

[high island]

Daedalus Hammers are meant to be something more "grounded" in the world, yeah.

[austere jacinth]

||I also think the hammers work a little better thematically. Zag has to fight through a labyrinth, which is what Daedalus is most famous for.||

[covert glen]

I didn't think about it that way

[high island]

It's important that the different types of rewards have a different feel to them.

That's also why you can't reroll them.

[austere jacinth]

I mean, I want more gods and boons and he's on my list. He can have his own stuff.

Along with Apollo, Hestia and Hera. 😛

[flat vapor]

they didn't want every reward to talk to you

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/672871913193996293

[covert glen]

thanks for the answer

i would nev"er have found that post

[indigo canopy]

how many fated authorities can u get? the darkness prices are massive

[flat vapor]

8 from the mirror, through keys you can have a maximum of 10 dice at a time

[indigo canopy]

are you sure?

at 8 it asks for 30k darkness no?

[tepid plover]

oh wait you can only have up to 10?

never really tried to get another key

[flat vapor]

don't know where you're getting your numbers from but for fated authority, it goes:

500 / 750 / 1000 / 1250 / 1500 / 1750 / 2000 / 2250

persuasion's max is only 4 from the mirror

[indigo canopy]

i was looking at older builds of the game i think

[tepid plover]

yeah mirror got adjusted

[flat vapor]

ah yeah, it was very high back then (cause there was no other endgame resource sink yet)

[tepid plover]

or it was just too grindy

for being an actual gameplay mechanic

[indigo canopy]

is there a resource sink for darkness now? after maxing purple and green?

[tepid plover]

yes

[flat vapor]

yes, unlocked post-credits

[tepid plover]

||themes and badges||

[indigo canopy]

ah i see, thank you

post credits

after main story or epilogue?

[flat vapor]

main story

[indigo canopy]

thank you:)

[flat vapor]

👍

[austere jacinth]

If you haven't ||reunited Nyx and Chaos|| you'll need Darkness for that.

[ashen sphinx]

And if you thought the Mirror took a long time to finish... The Darkness requirements for the Badges are 50% higher in total. Which is why an end-game ablity to switch off Titan Blood and Diamonds to Darkness would be nice, as even with Poseidon's Boon stacked on top of a Chaos boon, stacked again on top of Dark Thirst will still net you less than 1,500 Darkness a run. Or just add back in the Darkness Multiplier for Heated Runs like in the olden days.

[tepid plover]

people got the wrong idea when it comes that, that isnt meant to be theres so you unlock it in 10 runs, thats something thats supposed to give you a purpose to play the game and dump remaining darkness

is fine as it is

[quaint hatch]

[tepid plover]

hi

[brisk trail]

[quaint hatch]

GY broke my streak

[brisk trail]

darn 🚬
Throw it into Erebus

[robust sundial]

a shame you can't reroll daedalus, I'm missing charged volley for the bow

[quaint hatch]

Now I have to win with gy to restore my honor

Wish that was possible sometimes
Weird your missing charged volley

[tepid plover]

GY broke my streak
@quaint hatch same lmfao

was in a 15 streak

gy ruined it

17 actually

[quaint hatch]

Well at furies, already 1k on charged skewer
This might look better

[wise stratus]

GY?

[quaint hatch]

Broke my 15 streak

[wise stratus]

Oh I know

[quaint hatch]

4th spear

[robust sundial]

"incompatible with the aspects of ||chiron or rama||" Oh, so that's what I was doing wrong !

[wise stratus]

GY is easy

[quaint hatch]

Oh right
I should've just remembered that

Thanks dude

[tepid plover]

lmfao

[quaint hatch]

|| ...||

[wise stratus]

My best streak is 12

on 10 right now

[tepid plover]

17 was mine, until earlier

[wise stratus]

I'm making it harder every time

so eventually streaks won't be possible

[quaint hatch]

Also working on completing mirror prophecy rn
Dread stubborn defiance and high confidence run

Huh weird
I'm staying on the same difficulty for streaks
What is a pact? ...

[tepid plover]

https://imgur.com/a/2K7O5bX

nice

[quaint hatch]

Thank you

[wise stratus]

show me 69 blood, then we'll talk

[tepid plover]

lmfao i had over 100 not so long ago

darn i just spent all

[quaint hatch]

you are a humble man

[tepid plover]

there is a screenshot someehwere here

from long ago

[quaint hatch]

_ _

[dense prism]

|| ... ||

[thorn tendon]

Does ||Persephone|| usually hang out in the same spot once you unlock that content? And does ||she|| disappear sometimes same as the other denizens of the House of Hades...? What controls ||her|| appearances?

[robust sundial]

yes, yes, and RNG.

[quaint hatch]

The Fates control her appearances

[opaque canopy]

Has the ability to pin boons by accessing previous runs been asked for?

I hate forgetting to take screenshots and being left with no choice but to share a screen that doesn't have as much detail

[old tinsel]

Patch is live on switch btw. Not sure if everyone knew.

[brisk trail]

What’s in it

[quaint hatch]

Look in #hades-patch-notes

Thanks for the info!

[tiny plinth]

do god-specific trinkets help boost duo/legendary boon odds or is it just rare/epic?

[quaint hatch]

Well it says rare or better

[gentle creek]

hey, i was wondering if hades could be modded or not ?

[quaint hatch]

There is a modding discord

https://discord.gg/KuMbyrN

[gentle creek]

wow ^^ do you know wich language it is ?

[quaint hatch]

It's possible but on a very basic level rn

[gentle creek]

lua or something else

[quaint hatch]

Doing advanced stuff in this game is hard

[flat vapor]

pretty sure it's mostly lua

[quaint hatch]

Should be english

[gentle creek]

yeah XD

[quaint hatch]

Oh

Wow

[gentle creek]

thanks 😛

[quaint hatch]

Big brain moment

You're welcome

[gentle creek]

no problem xD

[quaint hatch]

[gentle creek]

i didnt find the information about something else

will they make DLC or something like that ?

i think they will communicate later about that

[quaint hatch]

Probably not

[gusty slate]

They're on break no confirmation or denial on more large scale work on Hades. Just bug fixes and balances right now

[gentle creek]

yeah i saw that ^^ but i love this studio since transistor and i was thinking they will need income in the futur ^^

[gusty slate]

They might move on to their next dream project too

[gentle creek]

i see ^^

thanks for you opignon

[austere jacinth]

Hades has made me interested in whatever SSG do next... but anything Hades-related would be an insta-buy for me.

[gentle creek]

honnestly, i played all supergiantgames's games and they are awesome ()

the music too

[wicked aspen]

Hey, new guy, just got here

[flat vapor]

👋

mind spoilers and such

[wicked aspen]

I played Hades on switch, and decided to grab transistor and bastion while I was it ut

Also, pyre isnt on switch wierd enough

[flat vapor]

it's a shame

[quaint wind]

it's an absolute crime

[wicked aspen]

Yeah, I wanna play a dating basketball sim

Or whatever it is

Looks neat

[fossil lynx]

Yeah I picked up Transistor and Bastion after playing Hades. It's the first game I've been this into since I was a kid

Would have bought Pyre if it was on Switch. Hello btw

[wicked aspen]

I played transistor, but stopped a bit ago, cuz I got distracted by Hades again

Also, am I wierd for playing it with limlimiters most of the time?

Also also, had a idea for a hypothetical Hades dlc, had it partly fleshed out, but coundt post it on the reddit

Feelsbadman

[fossil lynx]

I feel like I can't get as into Transistor, even though I think it's equally as gorgeous as Hades. The combat feels slower and harder to learn

What's a limlimiter?

What's your DLC idea?

I feel like it would be cool if they added Olympus

[wicked aspen]

I've got an entire text document right here if ya want me to DM it to ya

But tldr

[gusty slate]

I need Hypnos simulation area, so we can test things xD

dreamland

[wicked aspen]

Zagreus goes to the Egyptian duat

Aka

Egyptian underworld

[fossil lynx]

That's an interesting idea! DM it to me if you want, I'm down to read some fanfic actually hahaha

[austere jacinth]

I'd prefer to see him explore the Overworld, or Olympus even. I'd like an Egyptian protagonist for a deep dive into the Egyptian Underworld, I think. I'd be here for it though.

I think Zag deserves a little more time in the world above. He works so hard.

[gentle creek]

i agree, i fell better to explore Olympus or another place of the world ^^ but i'm sure that it would be insane wathever they do

[gusty slate]

titans break free ohno

[austere jacinth]

Oh yeah. I just love Zag and I want more of him xDD

[gentle creek]

one question guys, what your top 3 video games studio ?

[austere jacinth]

I don't really rank things like that. If I see a game I like, I'll pick it up, but a lot of studios have their ups and downs.

Especially BIG studios.

[wicked aspen]

Ok. I dmed it to meesh

.... seeing it outside of a text document, really made me realize I wrote alot for a quick idea I had while going to the store

Over 7000 words

[gentle creek]

nice

[steady stone]

What’s the likelihood of hades on iOS?

[brisk trail]

NANI!

Neo you're here too?! lol

[wicked aspen]

Hey rawr

How's life

[brisk trail]

life's good

I just picked up my meds, deciding what I wanna do the rest of the night

[steady stone]

It’s morning here lol

[brisk trail]

That's fun lol

[steady stone]

Woke up an hour ago

[brisk trail]

Lol XD

you in Japan?

[steady stone]

Australia

[brisk trail]

I was so close T.T

[steady stone]

Haha we are 2 hours ahead

Of jp

[brisk trail]

oh are you really?

also how's life for you neo?

[wicked aspen]

Not bad, spent like 20 minutes writing out a freaking thesis on my idea for a Hades dlc, even made a reddit account to post it, was so proud...
"Error, post cannot be sent"
....well that's great

[brisk trail]

LOL oh man

I'm so sorry