#h1-discussion
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Okay!
Does giving olympians nectar give you better rarities..? Or is there no point to nectars besides getting companions/favor.
Does giving Charon nectar get you discounts..?
I feel like I wasted all my nectars on Charon and his prices stayed the same
Giving nectar to most characters more than once is completely optional and only there for story purposes
I really don't like the gun. Feels like it does no damage and throws my tempo off
Ahhh
Chaos even says something of the sort
I don’t like reloading constantly it feels like I’m hitting speed bumps in my play. Like there’s an interruption to the flow
I prefer the spear
I really don't like the gun. Feels like it does no damage and throws my tempo off
try zeus
Something along the lines of "You are aware that you will not recieve anything in return for these gifts."
Knock back + rupture on the gun got me to the final boss pretty easily
But I’ll get to final boss every time with the spear
Lightning Strike on the rail is really solid
I got the frost attack, explode on stack, and hammer speed upgrade, and it does like no damage.
Just drop some Artemis or Athena on the dash and you're pretty much good to go
Special doom build with spear with the thing that hits 7 enemies and doom combo damage
Just literally melts everything
Ya I got it, but is there anything I should look for for special? I can get aphro special or reduced melee dmg
The Y is like the mortar from bastion but not OP
It scales really high though
Rocket launcher from the hammer makes it pretty good too
Having to stand stationary on some fights to shoot is killer
No, regular attack
Oh dash strike
I’m literally spamming space bar and shooting and reloading and tapping Q all at once. Casting too. Getting carpal tunnel
just dash strike while shooting
Try switching cast to "shift"
and special to "right click"
If I find any upgrade that lets me hold left mouse button I feel relief in my wrist muscles
Regardless of weapon
Q is a baffling default for special, zero clue why they chose it
@sharp fossil I use mouse 5 as my cast but not everyone has a mouse with m5 or m4 
agreed
Don't like the fists either but they force me to pay attention
Triple dash strike spear == I have to take a break and stretch out my forearms by the end of the escape attempt
yeah i use m4 as special
I don’t mind the Q
I think we need Zagreus skins.
I agree
you can’t move properly while hitting Q
i undervalued special builds so much until i remapped it
you can drop that idea in #hades-feedback @shrewd turtle 
but it's fine, I like how the game incentivizes you to play a specific weapon per run
Doom builds are dope
well, if it works for you fair enough i guess
p.s.
ty for the dislikes.
want to clarify: my concerns are related to game experience after 50+ runs. and also to people who have exp in other games like this one. for casuals ofc it looks perfect forever
@rotund canopy I have 600 escape attempts in the game so I would say I have experience in the game, and the game is really fun. Sorry you don't feel the same tho and find the game boring after 50. Not sure what could be done since this is more of a subjective issue.
One thing that I don't understand though is how easy it is to purge a boon by mistake
600 escape attempts? I’m at like 30
done it a handful of times when I meant to touch the well instead
Oh man that sucks hahaha
Damn. I totally feel you about the boon thingy
That’s never happened to me
I.e, more Ares gear you pick up, more “ares looking” you become
I tend to go fast and I play on controller, so sometimes I'll pick the wrong thing.
Biggest troll for me is using the anvil accidentally and losing the 1 key upgrade that made your build good right before the final boss. And you get 2 useless upgrades instead 💩💩
not a fan of visual clutter. Probably one of my bigger problems with the gun honestly.
Any advice?
Zagreus rail:
Cluster bomb
Targeting system
Hazard bomb (I have heroic artemis special)
I guess Zagreus is so tiny compared to the rest of the screen because you need to pay attention to everything else
i find the game a bit too hard and i am a bit surprised because generally i am above average in terms of mechanical skills. like eg i can play cuphead. but it took me 29 goes to clear one time. and i cant do it comfortably again still. i had to have the hp regen boon and more athena deflect boons to fight the final boss. is there something I’m missing here 😦
I really don't use the Rail Gun so I don't have any recommended builds
You just have to be in the right mindset I think. Constantly be looking around the screen and paying attention to everything. That's how I've ended up clearing it (and I still can't beat Cuphead XD)
The biggest thing to get clears it make sure your builds center around something. Don’t try to get a good cast and good special and good attack, get boons that make 1 thing super good
Took me about 8 runs? I play too aggressive and I need to stop and pay attention. After that clearing has been difficult.
That sounds about right in regards to the number of attempts to escape for the first time @fresh wasp
I took about 15 runs I think? Then cleared twice more in next 10
I'd say it's average
If you can get good builds, it makes it much easier
Some bosses feel they have too much HP, or HP scales, or my damage/technique sucks.
If by the temple of Styx your main attack doesn’t just melt every rat and enemy on the screen and you’re going through the chambers easily, I think you messed your build up
Sooooo much resources and I BARELY got by
@serene breach Which ones?
I was so close to beating the last boss today, and I got double whammied at the last second 
3rd floor boss is always a stickler for me. On some runs it feels like it has no HP, on other runs, it feels like it has too much HP. Stuff goes south fast if you lose your tempo.
That’s the way it’s meant to be played I guess
Elysium is always a vibe check for most runs
i cant even possibly imagine how other people manage it without more meta-upgrades or using god mode
4th floor boss feels easier to me even if my build is bad.
Elysium is always a vibe check for most runs
@fading gazelle Elysium is such an increase in difficulty it’s insane
yeah runs don’t actually start until you’re out of asphodel imho
I can melt the hydra but get ass kicked in Elysium
that’s where you actually have to put your build to work
Wait hold up
Biggest life hack for the bull and champion is to dash through the red pillar when the bull leaps or runs for you
Does the bot not recognize that word?
Cause the heroes can be killed within 5 seconds
@fading gazelle lol with a very specific build featuring a million dash strike chaos boons
not happening most runs
Sub 15s is very possible
yeah
With deflect I can kill fury sisters in like 15 seconds
As soon as they do that thing where she stands still just do a deflect and she crumbles
I get sub 15 on heroes pretty consistently on high heat
@analog elbow does the game offer more character upgrades after first clear? if beating the game once is this hard and not quite repeatable, how are there so many people beating high heat runs?
it is certainly possible to absolutely wreck those guys if stuff lines up, you’re right
I mean define "line up"
Magma snake is easy with aoe range too. If I have a melee build I struggle on the snake
@analog elbow does the game offer more character upgrades after first clear? if once is this hard and not repeatable how are there so many people beating high heat runs?
@fresh wasp meta progression, upgrading aspects
That's what you'd be building for anyways
And also ur skills get better of course @fresh wasp
You should have your build ready by Elysium
I get sub 15 on heroes pretty consistently on high heat
@fading gazelle okay teach me your ways
@fresh wasp the more you play the more unlocks you get and the more experience you have, so you know what works well. Good runs heavily rely on experience and good synergies.
^
i’m pretty sure i’ve done sub 15 like once?
@fresh wasp i'd also argue that once you beat your first run it starts getting much easier to replicate
Talents very important too
I feel like the game is similar to isaac in the sense that the more you learn the rules of the game, the more consistent you get.
After first run u get 3rd DD
^^
which is huge
@fair dove apart from mirror and the weapon upgrades next to skelly are there new upgrades?
@fair dove apart from mirror and the weapon upgrades next to skelly are there new upgrades?
@fresh wasp I don’t think so
The unlocks from the contractor also help a lot, like the healing fountains
The game can’t have too much upgrades or else would be too easy and complicated
Starting game with 100 hp instead of 50, getting 3 health per chamber, +50% damage on enemies that have been casted on, etc
the contractor is fairly significant
contractor benifits
are really nice
i have them all finally
and yea they help the run a bunch
@sharp fossil It's called practicing 
I put off contractor stuff until recently I didn’t realize they were important so I ignored gems
Haha
I thought it was all cosmetic
Just slow down and pay attention to what enemies do. If you just spam dash and attack like a friend of mine does, you're gonna have a bad time
If you’re good spamming dash and attack actually works well though lol
I think I started getting better when I realized that dash-attacking doesn't give you i-frames
if you want me honest answer though, you can beat the game with 0 heat with 1DD and a bit more hp
its not easy obviously
You can beat the game on the first try
@sharp fossil It's called practicing
@fading gazelle oh no 😱
having to put effort into things is my one weakness
thats okay then im just baffled by how many people managed to “eventually” beat it and got high heat runs mostly be getting good. like i feel like that level from what it looks like should be top 1% players @fair dove @analog elbow ill play some more later on
but once you have strategies to deal with the areas you can do it
Dash sturdy + move speed + double dash + damage for dash attacks + crit + crit boons
Spam away
and yea you absolutely can beat the game on the first try, only thing making it hard is some of the boons are impossible to get
i dont think dadelus hammer buffs can show up on the first run
I play games for fun. I've played too many mmos where people obsess about being "top 1%" to an unhealthy degree
Also that thing where when you dash it leaves spinning blades behind is OP AF from dash spamming in melee range
unless many people actually use god mode then that would explain why
Just find out which combinations of boons works for you and aim for those ones on the next run
thats true
@fresh wasp don't worry about high heat clears. That comes later down the road when you've gained more game knowledge and have all the unlocks. even the heat is only there to have you play at a difficulty you're comfortable with, there's nothing wrong with finding the base game difficult. It's a damn hard game right from the start.
but I haven't used it
also fwiw
heat runs dont make the game substantially harder right away
I can do heroes fairly consistently now, it's just the gun in particular throws me off so hard in that fight and I can't quite explain why
You can beat the game on the first try
@fading gazelle I've done that 🤔
it's pretty hard
I just had a gun run with triple rockets, two special chaos boons and aphrodite special with swift surrender
it's fun
my first escape with coronacht i had a bunch of poseidon boons where i ended up just spamming spacebar after elysium and only clicked mouse 1 a couple of times in styx, then only pulled out the bow for the final boss
one barrage was like 1k damage, I feel bad for minotaur
A surprisingly important upgrade for gun is the one that increases speed/accuracy and gives you some extra ammo. Can’t remember what it’s called
I had that
yea my first with exagryph
Meanwhile I’m over here hitting like.. 200 damage 
The damage is still pretty bad
I was gonna go with an attack build and my first hammer was triple special and I'm like you know what, let's go with that
when I realized that dash-attacking doesn't give you i-frames
Wait, does normal dash?
Is it worth upgrading pressure points or lightning strike on railgun?
Normal dash give you i-frames
Knock back from attack and rupture damage on knockback and knockback bonus against bosses
I was basically praying for rocket all the way to elysium
@tulip acorn What level is each of them at?
But then again it was my first time playing the gun, and I don't think I played/built it correctly.
Pressure points then
Okay
I thought I was gonna become doom guy with the gun and got quickly shut down
Only weapon I havent tried yet is the shield
They should’ve given me a shovel instead
I unlocked it but didn’t try it
U should it's fun af XD
Lightning strike just needs 3 levels
Okay, so if you dash-attack you don't get the usual dodge that regular dashing gives you.
Yes
Wow I didn’t know that
pressure points is good? That's like the one thing I would put at the very bottom of my list
Thanks, I didn't catch that at all.
Pressure points is amazing because it allows anything to crit
but it's like 2% on the normal boon
Am I correct that some Cast abilities won't lodge the Diamond cast into enemies thus making you not deal bonus damage?
This includes hangover, jolted, chill, etc
@rotund canopy I have 600 escape attempts in the game so I would say I have experience in the game. Sorry you don't feel the same tho and find the game boring after 50.
@analog elbow nice one, really. When I had around 20 attempts and pact of punishment was introduced, I remember that I escaped with 50+ heat level (trying maximum i could) and it was kinda easy if you follow some patterns. But it was not so interesting, because you have to evade everything you could by clicking space button. I tried more combinations of boons/weapons and etc and the game was completely over for me at that time.
I understand you and a lot of people who think differently, I play WoW and there are mythic+ dungeons and people find them really interesting after almost one and half a year playing though they are the same. But gameplay there is more interesting and every dungeon has some strategies to complete them in time, also they have cool affixes which change every week, so you have to adjust your strategy. Also a big point they have 10+ dungeons not 4 (ONLY 4) levels with dummy bosses (really, i tell you chambers in Hades are harder to pass).
Also I get that Supergiant team makes money and around 2-5% players want new challenges and new exp. others are casuals mostly.
Still the game is SUPER and i like it so much as I play it sometimes but still dont find it interesting to escape with every weapon at highest heat level. It is because gameplay is very the same.
Also does anyone upgrade dash strikes? I usually just get a level 1 dash boon and never upgrade it
Just went to Eurydice and she upgraded pressure points to Heroic XD
Hades (2020 Roguelike Action Role-Playing Video Game), developed and published by Supergiant Games for PC and Nintendo Switch as reviewed by Charlie and Jackson.
The Moist Meter is an experimental measurement system that you can use to safely gauge just how moist a video game...
Hades is probably making bank now from this video lol
it's my moist boi
Does upgrading dash strike do anything besides just giving you a couple extra dps
I joined this discord when it was first sent out in a newsletter, and I left when Hades became bigger because I didn't want to get spoiled.
Waiting was the right decision
@rotund canopy it's just the nature of rogulikes/lites, not sure what they can do about it besides adding alternate bosses/biomes, but that's out of the question at this point afaik
Have you tried extreme measures and benefits package from the pact?
I hate extreme measures. One character taunted me to not use extreme measures so I did it anyway and I groaned.
It was good advice
@rotund canopy Hold on
@fading gazelle sure i died a few times, but it is just a matter of time (a 8+ hours maybe) and you get it
Is hades connected to any of supergiants other games?
If not, a prequel story could be a good thing for add-on content 
i refuse to believe you beat 50 heat in 20 attempts
if that’s true i’m way worse at this game than i thought, and i think i’m pretty bad
i refuse to believe you beat 50 heat in 20 attempts
if that’s true i’m way worse at this game than i thought, and i think i’m pretty bad
that doesn't even make sense
A lot of the weapons feel like stuff from bastion/transistor
Have you tried extreme measures and benefits package from the pact?
@analog elbow It will be hard. I will spend a lot of time because of one shots from foes but I doubt it will be interesting to surpass
Is hunters mark good?
To do that in about a few hours in though seems absurd. It took me a lot of routing to get my first 50+ heat and I still had to use routing for a while until I started getting it consistently
that would mean they're good, not that you're bad
Is hunters mark good?
@tulip acorn decent
I can go hide breaker or hunters mark rare
Those two options don't enable one shots, they add variety to bosses and regular encounters
that would mean they're good, not that you're bad
@terse geyser i mean yeah but i’d be worse by comparison
hide breaker
It's not a disguise per se
this particular picture honestly looks almost exactly like me
i refuse to believe you beat 50 heat in 20 attempts
if that’s true i’m way worse at this game than i thought, and i think i’m pretty bad
@sharp fossil that is why a lot of people disagree with me, but imagine they are people who escaped after 8 hours playing the game. if you had a BIG experience in gaming = lots of games relied on reaction (like this one) become easier for you
i mean, you said you did it when heat was introduced
yes
50+ heat didn’t even exist then
maybe
50 heat is close to max now
It's not a disguise per se
this particular picture honestly looks almost exactly like me
@terse geyser lol fair enough
Yea I beat my first attempt pretty fast, but I've played a lot of other roguelikes like isaac and enter the gungeon.
I play a lot of bullet hell games like touhou
what is the point to escape when any damage would one shot you?
surprise twist: haelian was in disguise as you the whole time
just for instance
Nothing one shots you man if you don't enable that feature
The whole point of the pact is to tune the difficulty to your liking
in what situations are fists good?
Every

yes, but do you find interesting to escape if any damae would oneshot you?
I can kind of figure the gun even if I don't like it, but fists are the one weapon that makes me ???
that would be an interesting challenge for sure
I find pact mechanics not so great
there’s no heat option for a no hit run
That's a very subjective issue to have, I'm sorry you dislike that system
if there was i’d try it for sure
nope
I really like the heat system
It's like the idols from Bastion and limiters from Transistor, except with an actual reward system and far more customization.
I can't help with personal tastes unfortunately lol
That's a very subjective issue to have, I'm sorry you dislike that system
@analog elbow agree.
So is heat more than just a difficulty modifier?
Yes

But it became better for sure since was introduced
I have cluster and zeus attack, what hammer should I get?
Targeting system (also have artemis special)
Spread fire
Seeking fire
I like how you can customize it, how many options there are, how you can have varying levels of one setting
could be great to have more chambers/unique foes/boss mechanics , also I would be happy to see 5th level and the game could be much better
It makes it more versatile than any roguelite I've ever played. Its incredible
I remember hydra before it spawned foes during the fight
am I the only one addicted to cosmic egg
you're asking for a major update which the devs have said they have no plans for that
There are 24 aspects and I don’t know how many hammers which change play style, if that’s not variety I don’t know what is
also, how do I make malphon work
Zeus attack and static discharge
cus the damage doesn't seem worth the risk of hugging minotaur/final boss
also boons can 100% change your playstyle
And mix with long knucle if u can
not using boons can also change your playstyle
so basically we got playstyles changing left and right
I think the big game changer is if you get a good cast and hermes' fast dislodge early
you basically become a cast build
you know what will not just change, but objectively improve your playstyle?
using gued control setups
lots of things can change the escape experience but the foes and bosses will be the same.
whats that
Dusa is a thot
yes indeed
Meg is the one true hoe
controller and keyboard ftw
pog
For the hidden aspects, what am I looking for? Will it be a random gold dot on the floor while I’m wielding the weapon?
Oh yeah I've been doing that for a while now
Its actually pretty great
Like no jokes
For the hidden aspects, what am I looking for? Will it be a random gold dot on the floor while I’m wielding the weapon?
@queen frigate #h1-story-discussion
It works
???
It doesn’t look fun at all
Meanwhile I’m over here basically using aimhax on switch
It works
Their auto targeting is super generous 
Well I don’t want spoilers. I want to know if I’m looking for a dot or if I have to talk to someone.
@queen frigate check out the pin in that channel
For what flyinx
it's not big spoilers
oh wait! a better control scheme: controller and mouse, but you control movement with the mouse and aim with the controller
Hael and other mk + controller are superhuman beings
just tells you who to talk to and what to do
it’s optimal cursed
Alright. Thank you @potent carbon
haelian doesn't use controller + mouse 
they were confused by your disguise i think
he's a lame boi and uses straight-up controller
Jokes on you, I play using HTC Vive and full body tracking 
dance pad or bust
omg hades crypt of the necrodancer crossover when
look, i mean, Cadence of Hyrule happened...
“Zagreus goes to the Ball” DLC when? I want my Night at the Roxbury spin-off
There are 24 aspects and I don’t know how many hammers which change play style, if that’s not variety I don’t know what is
@analog elbow just dont feel interesting to try so many variations when everything would be the same. though i tried a lot of them and they ARE really funny and enjoyable to try. It is like to use different weapons and beat the dummy with them. you have tools but for the same lock. tools are needed for different situations.
got a random question 
is hades environment 2d, and the models 3d?
my mind is confused
models are 2d
really?
everything is sprite animation
2D Has come a long way, easiest way to figure it out is look at the dimensions
Zag only ever faces up down / left right, so he is 2D 
i swear i remember seeing some behind the scenes stuff and i thought it was 2d
damn
i just thought because of the lighting and shadows that they would go in 3d 🤔
everything in the game is 2d
which is why they can't give Zag different skins
3D would add in the extra axis of front / back and up and down
wuz good
Isn't this game 2.5D?
game is HELLA fun btw
Made like 2D but it looks like 3D
Zag's sprite has some ridiculously huge number of frames, I don't remember exactly how many
hmmm i googled
there was an old answer from greg
I swear I saw a ton of those on that system
" During development, we 3D render and animate many of our characters, such as the player character Zagreus. We then generate thousands upon thousands of frames of rendered animation from many different angles, which is what you end up seeing in the game"
so its like 3d.... but not really
That’s how 2D has evolved, it’s really cool lol
Kinda like videogames hire real actors to play out scenes and the use that to make the ingame characters
that’s something like what they did with dead cells iirc
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Worst feeling ever, 1 gold off purchases.
also reminds me of dragon ball fightrez, i mean completely different use, but still using 3D in a really cool way to give a 2d feel
If I used a [first boon is from zeus] then swap to the [first boon from Poseidon] keepsakes, would the Poseidon one work, or is that confirmed boon type used up
It would have a little warning at the bottom of the tile if it would replace it
is there no way to get a guaranteed hermes boon like with other gods?
Generally “attack effect” will replace another “attack effect” unless certain circumstances are met
nah he's got a dodge thing instead
you mean switching between zones? yeah, if you run zeus in tartarus then switch to poseidon in asphodel your first boon in the new biome will be from poseidon
awesome thanks
@unique parrot Rerolling like 10 times probably
Oh, I totally misunderstood that question. Sorry! 
i swear i get both hermes boons on the majority of my runs
so not sure a guarantee would be needed
you guys prefer anything specific from eurydice?
I'm not too sure how to value the boon upgrades/rarities
usually I like the first if I have a good build going
the third if I haven't really picked up all my parts yet
I only really pick the second if I have a really large amount of boons and don't want to risk rng picking bad upgrades
I was wondering if there were any standalone image files of the cute charms that go on your keepsakes when you reach max bond with the characters. Anyone know? ^^
Is Bad Call achievement broken?
I got a trial and I used Demeter call on Demeter challenge
and I didn't get the achievement
or does it have to be fully charged with 4 charges?
Okay, I'm at 8 hp with 2 revives, but I have 2 more tunnels to go through. Should I stop and just spend money at the shop?
just exit the room CEO
fully charged
I did, but nothing
greater call
ah yeah, fully charged as well
How do I stack a fully charged call in a trial lol
Unless it's Elysium and I let them respawn for 10 minutes
I did it in elysium, just keep farming respawns
easier in like, elysium trials
otherwise you would need some strong call charging boons
you don't even really need to let them respawn always
So I have to fully build call charge build with like Hermes or something or just hope for getting a call boon and that same boon trial in Elysium
Does storm lightning work on bosses?
Meg is better
Hmm okay, so I can go for storm lightning lvl 3 (10 bolts) or 22 dmg lightning attack, using rail gun with spreadshot
@ebon sleet heresy
Game just got a glowing review on Charlie's Moist Meter lol
I forgot he's into roguelites now
Artemis is best girl but how dare you speak such heresy about Dusa
Hades is best girl.
Oh btw I was looking for images of those cute charm heads like your pic. Where'd you find it? 😮
aphrodite though 😳
amazing
@narrow hemlock has gotten most of them so you can ask them (sorry for the ping tatz)
I linked that earlier in spoilers and a little while later kam dm'd me that video and said it was me 😭
I'll look for it! ^^ Thanks.
oh I was talking about that vid link lmao
the tweet right
I actually had to scroll up and see what I was pinged for
To be fair Tatz that'd totally be you
From Eurydice if I have few boons I’d want an epic boon upgraded to heroic
Can really make your run if it hits right
I am holding hands with 4 different ares as we speak
Shockingly little Nyx love going around, she's one of my favorite characters
there is nyx love
Nyx is loved very much in this community 
achilles is my babe
it's just really quiet atm
Any, another completion
Nice
More fun when you dont use weapon for their intended purpose
Railgun is so fun as a melee weapon
I also really love the design of Chaos. Coolest character design in the entire game
there’s loads of nyx love
you just can’t see it
it’s too dark
@novel wasp can you whip out cursed Chaos again?
chaos is actually awesome

nyx 
I also really love the design of Chaos. Coolest character design in the entire game
@brisk trail coolest character design in any game change my mind
chaos reminds me of that creepy claymation cartoon of the mark twain unfinished work. mysterious stranger i think it was called
Chaos looks like the final boss of a JRPG, yet you just casually talk to him and take his boons
im pretty sure this was the inspiration for chaos https://www.bing.com/videos/search?view=detail&mid=205BE2D241184E802010205BE2D241184E802010&shtp=GetUrl&shid=a5239a8c-e6f4-47f9-b334-ba90670761cd&shtk=VGhlIE15c3RlcmlvdXMgU3RyYW5nZXI%3D&shdk=IlRoZSBNeXN0ZXJpb3VzIFN0cmFuZ2VyIiB0YWtlbiBmcm9tICJUaGUgQWR2ZW50dXJlcyBPZiBNYXJrIFR3YWluIiAxOTg1&shhk=Yk2kVyyzHHhRrY7KNAFSa5FVIUpInkMJrS2X%2FuZBojg%3D&form=VDSHOT&shth=OSH.%252BvHBpLGpjbi3iQLyIWBkHg
omg that link
is that... is that bing
"Maybe this world is another planet's hell." The Mysterious Stranger an aesthetically beautiful dark cartoon/claymation from the "Adventures of Mark Twain." The Mysterious Stranger is the fin The book was worked on periodically from roughly 1890 up until 1910. The body of work...
the voice and all
Yeah the voice is like...identical lol
Is there anywhere that I can find the conditions for the different victory screen "taglines" or whatever you call them? I just got "Perfect Clear," but I'm not sure what it means, since I definitely took damage. In fact I took a lot of damage intentionally in one encounter to get my call to charge up since I'm trying to get the "Bad Call" achievement. I'm wondering if it just means that I no-hit the final boss, because I know I did do that.
Also I really love the way Chaos's boons work. Usually I shy away from double edged sword-type upgrades in these kinda games, but in Hades, they're a temporary handicap that lead to a good permabuff
Which is just 10/10 in design
I just searched there. Nothing about them, as far as I can tell.
i maxed out chaos's item boon as soon as i got it
still though even with 40% rarity i only sometimes get a rare boon
Nevermind, I found them. They're listed under "run clear messages." I was searching for "victory."
What us ambrosia for?
give it to your frineds
I always take the risk
Ah ok. Any ppl I should bff first? Is there a benefit?
Also you can use them to upgrade your ||legendary keepsakes||
Yes
The spoiler is the benefit
Don't open it
Is the chaos keepsake good?
Yes
Like I tried a run with the egg and got not a single chaos door
||skelly than meg dusa achilles and sysiphis|| are who you want i believe
what ive been doing is chaos keepsake until i get 1 chaos gate, then i switch to the +150 coin purse thing, then i switch to a 3rd one at elysium
you can switch to the +150 coin purse and get 150 coins after 1st boss
then switch again after 2nd
@tulip acorn If I suggest people to start off with, Meg, Than and Dusa are nice people 
or after 2nd and again at 3rd
do gods' keepsakes work if I retain them between chambers? Like if I start my run with the owl pendant, and then keep it for asphodel, does it affect the first boon I find there too?
As far as I can tell they don't linger
I was afraid of that
same for stuff like Hermes boon, you don't keep the dodge (iirc)
They don't refresh in the transistion rooms
yeah those keepsakes i switch to for a 3rd time
i do chaos -> coin purse -> then the 3rd one is whatever i need next
In the new update you also get something for|| maxing out your friends:|| || a small icon on the keepsake you gained+message ||
if i need an artemis boon for example in elysium i get a free one
I still don't have Athena's legendary boon and I am going to go bonkers trying to find it just the once
hermes and than boons stay the entire run
ty for correcting
what do you mean @jade crescent ?
every time you complete the objective, you get a small bonus percent that remains the entire run
if it's true at least, lots of unsure answers being thrown around
oh yeah it's true that the butterfly and the plume are retained
or sorry, keepsakes*
Ah
I was able to observe that
Ohh that's sweet
hermes does not have a boon type keepsake

but it doesn't reset between chambers
nah
there are achievements to stack hermes and than keepsakes to 20 and 30 respectively
you know what i havent done yet
they can be pretty potent on the final boss
oh they're good
btw I just got Ambrosia for the first time do I just trade it in or hold on to it
heckin tough fight that was
they make it so when you lose to hades he pats you on the head and says it was a good try
Give it to your friends^^
(that's a joke)
the patroclaus keepsake is so good
I got no friends friend-y enough to give ambrosia to yet :<
the broken spearpoint is the only keepsake i use lmao
you need a large amount of ambrosia to max out, might as well keep it
man said patroclaus
I think you need around 60?
patroclaus: comes down your chimney and mopes under your tree
"let's just tell them I ate the cookies..."
don't worry he'll eventually leave jerky under your tree
I wish Hades got a fiery head when he got mad
you know what i havent figured out
cyclopse jerky or hydra jerky?
Wow my boy charlie gave hades 90.
So they could make Hercules references
Riot
yes
Yes
yeah but it will still be on the ground
But it'll still turn into a bomb afterwards
ah okay yeah
Guys I have serious trouble understanding steam trade cards haha
I have some cards that have, for example, 6/10 of the progress but have a (1) marked
Does that mean I have a complete card and another one ongoing? If so can I trade individually each ongoing unit?
also Divine Dash, i grab it for the deflect on dash, but upgrading it takes damage from 12 to 14. is there ever a point to upgrading it?
like, i dont want it for the damage
does it increase the range or give more iframes
you need all 10 cards for the badge, if you have 2 of the same, you could trade 1 for one you don't have
nah raignne
Unless you dash through enemies a lot?
good perk to have, but no need to upgrade
isn't Poseidon's dash also like really good
You can not gain all 10 cards for free
But even then there are better dash boons
You need to spend money to get the steam badge
poseidon's dash is my favorite
you can spark, but it's super rare to get a card pack
Extremely rare
and you can trade for the others
Divine dash gang
Oh thanks Sean, very helpful :D
I play on steam for years and got 1
for example, if I had a terraria card, I could trade it for a hades card from a friend
Like I just buy the cards
completely free
i get deflect dash if i dont have a deflect, or the Weakness dash if i dont have a Weak
It's like 20 cents for a whole set
the lightning dash is dumb IMO
Normally
I've gotten a few, but rarely for the games I want. I mostly just trade or sell the cards I don't want to buy cards I do
But yeah trading is also a good deal lol
I can't use zeus' dash for the life of me
I don't spec too much for weak, better to just not get hit in the first place
Everything else is good imo
i stay away from Zeus builds in general because chain lightning is useless on the final boss
Also I bought 1 badge EVER (For Crosscode)
well, useless in that it doesnt do extra damage to a single enemy
best damage boons are mostly artemis
Same but i also find them very fun in normal chambers
I think Dionysus ult is really good DPS as well
i used to grab the +400% armor but again same reason its useless on final boss so i ignore it now
dionysus is low-key awesome
Which god has the worst boons?
zeus ult is amazing too
Wait is it? It takes be an unbelievable amount of time to kill the last boss' summons without an armor bonus
me*
Especially if he summons chariots
worst is Ares maybe? though hes still good
I avoid ares, dionysis, zeus, and poseidon mostly for boss stuff
I don't think there's really any "worst" bc it really depends on your build. some gods are inherently better with specific aspects than others
poseidon can be good in the dungeons though
zeus also kinda weaksauce but lightning goes zipzap
artemis is always good, and athena is very strong
Ares is kinda good on railgun and fists though isn't he
Poseidon ha that nice boon that buffs damage against bosses
but it's delayed damage :/
yeah I like picking doom but Dionysus/artemis just feel stronger
I just saw a screenshot where POST CREDITS SPOILERS ||a pop up message in forms you you are not Security Specialist for the House of Hades. persephone is back in the House for me but I never saw that message. Will it come up later, or did a bug make it not proc for me?||
can you stack the doom though, I thought a character could only have 1 at a time
There's a boon that allows you to stack it
the perk that gives you bonus doom damage per stack + aspect of chiron bow 
ah, so you've gotta have at least two from him then
doom delayed damage thats a red herring
Yeah
the DPS is just huge
like, youll do 140 damage and then doom ticks 180
140, 180, 140, 180
isnt doom dmg delayed anyway, what's half a second more
And there's also another boon that makes the doom damage higher and it takes 0.5 seconds longer to go off
So you can stack it even further
you stil got to wait a full second though
hi guys, my game freezes every once in a while, is this normal?
@fringe garnet Yeah that message is a one time thing
one second of furiously dashing to a corner
so I'm hearing you need complementary boons to make it worthwhile
hi guys, my game freezes every once in a while, is this normal?
@floral tartan It shouldn't?
then you get something like the spear 7-hit and you put doom on every enemy
happens if I leave it up overnight jr
it's one-time but when does it proc @fading gazelle ? should it have proced for me already?
It happens immediately after you ||hand the painting||
game freezes but it still has sound and i can hear things moving. but then it goes back again
also looking at general gameplay, starting with a daedalus hammer is just the best start right?
@floral tartan Try looking at a few fixes in #h1-tech-fixes
Anyone know what I should aim for when going for a posidon blade cast build?
If you still need more help drop a message in #h1-tech-support 
walk into chamber, apply doom to every mob, just run around and keep re-apply doom
@fading gazelle maybe this is ahead of where i am - ||hand the painting? the family is back together and there is a painting on the wall in Hades' chambers that i can return to and admire whenever i want.|| Is that being there what you're talking about? Or is there more I haven't done yet? If the latter, just say "there's more," don't tell me what I'm missing please 🙂
Avoid any cast that bounces or doesn't lodge into people @tulip acorn
Okay
but there you go, having to wait for enemies to die, rather than continually hitting and stunning
bad for faster runs
The message appears exactly after you ||hang the painting|| so you've already passed it
ahhhhh. so how do i bug report this? it's too late to go press F10....
Avoid any cast that bounces or doesn't lodge into people
yeah about this, don't those perks also ruin the damage upgrade from the mirror?
Can you get hades affinity past one heart?
Yes
I assume so but probably plot progression is my guess
is that new with v1.0?
The wiki is a bit outdated
We are trying our best to add the new info from 1.0
the full release was less than a week ago
What happens if you max affinity with a god?
wait volty the screenshot i'm looking at mentions a ||"resource director, to whom you just spoke."|| i've never met this NPC. where are they? who are they???
You become BFF's with them
The wiki said you couldn’t
@brisk trail the wiki hasn't been updated, there aren't enough people working on it to get stuff done quickly
you get a cool icon next to their keepsake
Does it do anything else?
wait volty the screenshot i'm looking at mentions a ||"resource director, to whom you just spoke."|| i've never met this NPC. where are they? who are they???
@fringe garnet Oh that is different
not that I'm aware 
Rip
I found 2 duos from 1 boon selection. How rare is that? It was between Dionysus and Aphrodite
so maybe i haven't missed something yet?
There's more to do to get the ||resource director||
got it, ok
I found 2 duos from 1 boon selection. How rare is that? It was between Dionysus and Aphrodite
got this once too so probably not that uncommon
So you haven't missed anything relikan 
then again duos are rare af in general
no
Not really
WHEW. Thanks!!
duos/legendaries have a 35% chance base iirc
nah
double duo from a single boon? 👀
yes
as long as you meet all the prerequisites
pretty common
You just have to build properly
you need specific boons to get a duo
they're "rare" because you need to get all their prerequisites
Same with legendary boons
but once you get all the prerequisites its 35%
my legendary/duo upgrade is really low, I've got the rare/purple variant of that upgrade maxed
I've seen a handful of legendaries and one duo total
I've never been a fan of the legendary/duo one
You can reset your mirror for 1 key
I don't have the mirror aspect to increase the chances of duos or legendries but i still get plenty
I had a legendary once? but it was like my second run and I forgot what it was
I know, but I like my current setup mostly
Like 1% on top of 35% isn't doing much
The epic rarity is way better and much useful
Well it ads 10% at mex
^
I've hardly seen legendaries, but duos on their own aren't too rare
the legendary/duo one is decent for achievement hunting at least
legendaries usually need 2-3 other boons
while duos usually only need two
I got poseidon legendary twice in one run and sold it once
Would sell it again
Since I was already in styx
Push +1
Oh
knockback
But like if you go for a legendary.
And you have the prerequisits
a man does not simply sell big catch
Poseidon has two legendries so I just gotta make sure 
Itsa big difference between 35 and 45%
Poseidon has standards
a man does not simply sell big catch
I sold big catch because I was on that run where I needed to purge a boon 
guys, I've got problem with prophecy for aegis. Is charged flight still in the game or my prohecy is broken? xd
It still is in the game
poseidon's second legendary is worthless IMO
You can't get charged flight if you are running chaos or zeus aspect @tidal lotus
Plus double knockback is useless after styx anyways
you basically never find it until the run is over and it's too late
I mean
I'm missing a single keepsake, is that from ||hades or persephone?|| or is the someone inside the ||infernal gates|| which I havne't opened yet
You can fish on the ||surface||
true! but that's so few chambers....
I wish they buffed egg
Does giving nectar before picking up a boon improve boons?
Full chaos run
What fish do you get on the ||surface|| anyways?
I got to fish there once but messed up the catch
@jade crescent ||They both give you one, so you are missing two. Hades' doesn't show up in the keepsake cupboard||
@potent carbon major spoilers ||trout, bass, and sturgeon||
And never got another chance
You'll still get chances
|| barsch ||
I did get the legendary fish in styx first try tho
how do i unlock demeter hearts
How come I've done like 200 runs (many with zagreus apspect of aegis) and did not get it... @fading gazelle well, thanks anyways. It looks like I've got a few more runs to do then
@humble quarry progress the story
Hammer's are still rng so you have to deal with it 😅
ah, I've gifted ||hades|| before, I've never had the option to gift ||persephone|| then again, she is still in the ||garden||, and the story is making me expect she may come to the house
How do you get rare fish? Is it just RNG?
what did ||hades|| give again?
If you catch fast enough you get rare fish, or 5% chance to be legendary
@junior galleon It's all about the timing
If you catch slow you get common fish with 5% rare
||His sigil, which makes you go invisible as a call|| @jade crescent
Guess I will never complete that prophecy then
huh, and it doesnt show in the cupboard?
yeah
where do you find it then?
Basically mash e as soon as you see the flash
but how do you equip it if it's not there?
or you're saying I don't have it from either, and his just doesn't show as un-collected yet
No it's there, just not the silhouette
ah
So people misunderstand the number of keepsakes
im trying to put an image but it wont let me
there are several cofigurations tho, if you go fisihing enough, then you'll see some patterns ;3 @junior galleon
@ebon sleet You have to use a third part software like gyazo or imgur
you get to a point where you just stack tons of gems anyways, not too useful after a point
Hey guys sorry to be this guy but ive had hades for a long time on steam and i will buy it again on switch but i was curious if they have some kind of discount for second time buyers? any help or suggestion would be great. Thanks
No discount sadly
It’s a steal for the price anyways
@Borek#0409 ohhh I thought it was just beeing very fast. Ok will look for that now
@ebon sleet
Dark regeneration is way superior to cthonic vitality any day
Isn’t it just you catch as soon as you see the flash?
is that the one where you get 3 health for each room? what is the alternate?
and if you’re fast enough you get the rare
😮
i am starting to think playing this with a controller is a horrible idea, the auto aim is horrendous at times
regenerate 80% of darkness collected as health
Some people are using controller to move and mouse to aim
whoa it goes up to 80%
yeah
It’s 60% no?
Maybe?
I died from a hangover, too real for me 😆
Either way it’s really nice on troves, wells and bosses you already beat
oh crap i just remembered i think i discovered an easter egg and i took a screenshot
you guys have to tell me if im right
Okay?
Like I catched a total of 40+ fish and never got something better then rare
If you haven’t beat final boss on that heat elysium boss basically gives you 90 heal
Plus the fountain in the room after
That's pretty good
It is kinda sucky that you only get 10 darkness and 5 gems per room tho
1 key is fine tho
But those two are basically literal scraps, I’d rather pick a room that improves my run over them any day
Or money to save for the styx shop
ahh i cant find the screenshot. basically in elysium i found a big blue shiny door with 2 candles, but only 1 candle was lit with a blue goblet
and i saw 1 blue goblet on the table
does anyone know what im talking about?

this big blue door has 2 spots for goblets on the top
only 1 goblet is in there
and on this table there is a single goblet
I mean it's just there for aesthetic purposes?
There isn't any secret behind the that door or the goblet
that would be a sick secret
it looks like if you somehow make that 1 goblet go to the open spot above the door it will open
That would be cool
It's just an art choice 😅
aw
Sorry to ruin your hopes
okay last question before i have to go back to work
Shoot
what do you get for coloring the rugs and walls and stuff with the contractor?
the stuff that requires gems but not work orders
'House Decor'
Those are purely cosmetic
ahhhhh
They make your house look nice
except for ||dusa's|| companion progression
the lounge parts
huh, if you gift thanatos and he runs off, you can still chat with him if you go into the records room and come back out
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/756949101442105443/758072128557023443/unknown.png ||
2 gold off diamond fml 😦
and you can't run more rooms? rip
Nope, I even sold a boon hoping it was enough
No idea how I'll survive with like 150 HP
I've just came here to say that I encountered Eurydice for the first time, and her voice and scenery almost made me cry. This game is a masterpiece.
At least they lowered the price of the other possible spawn this patch.
So there wil be more updates/dlc down the line right
nothing confirmed as of yet
and in the past supergiant have never added content to a game post launch, so there's a decent chance that there won't be
got a question, ||how much do i have to renovate to complete dusa's prophecy||
I also got a question, does Supergiant Games intend to make DLCs for this game to continue the storyline or is it basically done after 1.0 update and they focus on something else from now on?
look literally two posts above
fists plus athena dash deflect
And I don’t think they are adding any content
holy poop
i thought rail gun was op
it can be if you build it right
Not in the near future anyway
@mellow finch Oh rip
Congrats
dash deflect dash deflect
did you make it?
nah i’m probably gonna die i got low hp
shed tears of happiness
Not an official streak cause I suicided with bow
no answer to my question 😔
Me too, me too
I think you should ask in #h1-story-discussion
idk the answer myself, i just kinda buy eveything
there was an answer in the gamepedia, last time I looked
Only used one single DD too which was surprising
||you definitely have to clean up the fur and damage done by cerberus, don't remember what else||
I never bought any cosmetic stuff maybe I should do that
Just don’t find them actually useful
and i died
||speaking of renovations, what's the function of administrative office? i thought it would unlock cool nice feature, but then i found out it only got record of your attempts||
You are one step closer homie
poison rats
Keep at it
@unreal vine ||not sure if u know but u can cure the poison from drinking from a fountain||
||if u are poisoned go to a small fountain with green liquid and press interact||
Instantly cures
is there always a fountain when fighting them
Anybody stream this game? I know there are tons of streamers out there, but I'm looking for somebody calm and chill of you have suggestions
@supple field from the wiki: ||you need a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor||
theseus actuallly just killed me w 1 pixel of health left and its further ive got
smh
feels worse than a bad dead cells/isaac run lol
Anybody stream this game? I know there are tons of streamers out there, but I'm looking for somebody calm and chill of you have suggestions
@vale dagger have u tried YouTube play throughs? YouTube series are often time more calm than streams
Lirik is streaming Hades rn he’s pretty chill
So is DansGaming
thanks @void vigil
If u look in hades category you’ll prob find someone u like watching
you can check out #self-promotion as well occasionally and you might find a streamer you like!
I just got the ending today and currently working on postgame. A ||happy|| ending eh, rather unorthodox for Supergiant
@fair dove look at my profile rq
you'll notice the controller and kbm roles
which already exist and therefore needn't be added
while I don't actively go for cast builds, there was one time I used a really nasty cast build to escape hell
cast builds can be really fun
Zagreus naming the ||bone hydra "Lernie"|| has some serious pokemon nicknaming energy
ok so i just ||talked to bouldy for the first time and why is a darn rock so freaking cute||
why no controller/mouse role
KBM = keyboard and mouse
then we need roles which one is in which hand
I'm pretty sure that's just lefty/righty
so kinda unnecessary
you can use kbm in either hand too
it's the input tools that mattwr
anyone else have some buggy achievements?
this might be something you should post to #h1-tech-support
so if i want to completely restart a run, does "Give Up" not do that anymore?
it used to drop me back at the House of Hades but now Give Up just restarts the room
Didnt think achilles aspect would be that good
Didnt lose a single life
Face rolled everything with artemis zeus athena lol
Didnt think achilles aspect would be that good
@frozen roost what level on Achilles are u
achilles aspect is my favorite weapon to run tbh
Achilles really that good?
That spear catch could be kind of annoying I think
Especially 3rd
How so
Because you teleport to spear
Use that with athena special deflect
And you basically never take dmg
Though i think zeus hard carried that
I got really good boons on zeus
Zeus calling is just straight up busted for anything really especially last fight
I'm addicted to EM4
erm, what does the lock on the hearts mean?
I think it's the most intense fight I've had in single player games


