I think I'll end it here but I just want to say I don't feel entitled to a 2nd license but I'm disappointed this is not a concern for SGG. Epic games is an inferior experience and makes enjoying, sharing, reviewing the game more difficult and affects their core fans so it should be sth in their sights at the very least. They can't fix epic so maybe the solution is to walk away from it, as they've said themselves it's a limited audience and the end goal was always a steam release
#h1-discussion
dapper canyon
narrow hemlock
you don't know it's not a concern for sgg though, thats entirely your own assumption
urban kestrel
did you mean boons was that an unfortunate autocorrect
@tatzel.#1484 LMAO OH NO
I’m so embarrassed thank you for pointing it out. I fixed it hhhhh
crude hazel
I don't see how your experience with the game is hurt because you can't review it on epic.
marsh rivet
Aphrodite's... boons though
dapper canyon
It doesn't seem to be, maybe I'll be proven wrong ofc
narrow hemlock
unless you hear directly from a dev, its an assumption, not fact
gusty slate
Looks like SGG gave peeps who bought Hades on EGS free soundtrack when it launched on steam a little later. Well if I read correctly on announcements xD
swift falcon
I just don't think Epic (or any store's) problems as a storefront are on the developers. It's like getting mad at Nintendo for Amazon delivering your Switch late or damaged
Do you think they have a presumption of responsibility for the storefront?
narrow hemlock
like... the disappointment is valid but 🤔 i dont know what your aim here is
dapper canyon
Nope, I'm sure if Epic was working on updates as often as they do it wouldn't be as bad today lmao. It's just unfortunate
I don't have an aim I just wanted to rant and see what people thought of this
crude hazel
The people you should complain to is Epic Games.
dapper canyon
You're right honestly
crude hazel
Like, I have nothing but the utmost respect for SGG. The devs are active, interact with the community, address people's concerns as much as they possibly can. They release quality games filled with heart. They care about how people experience their games.
gusty slate
Proxy never takes prisoners
narrow hemlock
also thats fair, i think as excitable as chat got i couldnt tell if you wanted something done or were just venting or what
crude hazel
If Epic offered them money? I'm happy they got it. They deserve every penny.
crude hazel
Hey, I get that! Money can be too tight to buy a game twice. It sucks.
narrow hemlock
(the merch store is having a sale but shipping might do you in)
swift falcon
Yeah I just find this viewpoint very confusing. Whenever I buy a game on a storefront, I accept all the risks that come with that. It's not on the developer to ensure that each store they put their product on is unimpeachable. If you have a problem with the store, send feedback to the store. If you have a problem with the game itself, then send your feedback to the developer
marsh rivet
I'll be in the camp that is ecstatic that I get to pay for the game twice and enjoy it across multiple platforms. That's incredibly privileged and I know that's not in everyone else's ability, but yeah, I'm grateful that I can support SGG in that way.
swift falcon
that's how it does and should work
urban kestrel
I feel the same! I’m excited to pay for my switch copy when it releases!!
swift falcon
Now I would agree that it would be nice if you could buy a copy and have that carry over to multiple platforms, but that's the kind of thing richer developers can do and does not happen often
gusty slate
Ah v1.0 launch trailer was beautiful
urban kestrel
I’ve loved SGG (especially Darren & Ashley) for years honestly, I want them to keep making beautiful games
swift falcon
For example I think CDPR let you transfer a copy of Witcher 3 over from Steam to GOG or vice versa
crude hazel
In a perfect world, buying a copy of the game would give you a drm free copy on your computer. In a perfect world.
swift falcon
stuff like that is a cool show of goodwill for fans, but not necessary
vast junco
i'm not sure if i've ever triple dipped on a game before hades with the upcoming switch release which is likely going to be the case
dapper canyon
Hades is drm free but you need epic for updates
marsh rivet
DA: O was the only game I've ever triple dipped on iirc
crude hazel
Well hey, think of it this way.
narrow hemlock
honestly even despite epic's own problems, the early access model clearly still worked for hades
crude hazel
Once 1.0 launches, maybe with a few patches, you won't need to care about Epic.
obtuse crater
Now I would agree that it would be nice if you could buy a copy and have that carry over to multiple platforms, but that's the kind of thing richer developers can do and does not happen often
@swift falcon honestly the one example that comes to mind is that recently GOG gave withcer 3 to owners in other platform, apart from that, don't remember any....welll portal 2 on ps3 had crossbuy hahaah
swift falcon
Yeah I mentioned that, Anc, maybe it got lost in all the chat up there haha
crude hazel
Portal 2 had crossbuy because Steam are the publishers for Portal.
obtuse crater
ohh yeah
crude hazel
It's a valve game.
gusty slate
Good 'ol Valve...rip tf2
crude hazel
Eh. Not much of a fan of valve, honestly.
They made good games. But they fired all their devs and they're just printing Dota 2 and Steam money now.
obtuse crater
the most i remember is like getting the skyrim remastered, bioshock, darksiders and mafia 2 remaster for free because i owned the original on steam
marsh rivet
They've also opened the floodgates of M rated waifu games. I don't even know if it's a bad or good thing, but it is... a thing.
crude hazel
If people want to play them, I guess whatever?
swift falcon
It's cool, but it's a big deal for a smaller developer like Supergiant. If they basically give everyone who owns the game a second copy, that would be a big deal, not something they do lightly
marsh rivet
It makes games advertised to me very confusing provided I've played any visual novel... ever.
crude hazel
It's more than that!
Doing that is basically burning bridges with Epic. Even if it's not against their contract.
It'll kill any chance of working with Epic in the future. That's a big blow to them.
I don't want to put them in that sort of position, they don't deserve that.
dapper canyon
I was so excited when I first heard abt Hades that it didn't even register how long it had been in EA at that point until very recently when I looked for my Epic receipt and it was a whopping 3 days. My biggest mistake is probably giving Epic the benefit of the doubt that they would have a better storefront by now, or thinking that it would take so long to get to steam that I would be glad I got it on EGS. And neither happened. I still enjoy the game a lot and try to recommend it to people but it makes me sad I can't complete my SGG collection on Steam bc I own all their other games there
fierce ice
@granite idol Regarding your feedback, flying enemies have a small shadow beneath them. When using the bow, I aim for that.
swift falcon
I was interested in Hades, but I specifically did not buy it because Epic Games Store was so new
crude hazel
Hey, maybe some day they'll put it on a big sale hilda.
Or bundle it with their next game.
swift falcon
I wanted to wait a while and see how it would play out before I invested in the ecosystem
and as Kriem says, it will probably go on sale on Steam at some point
recently Transistor was 5$
crude hazel
I just think it's usually better to get EA games closer to their completion stage, at the very least.
Especially for lovely story games like what SGG puts out.
dapper canyon
Yeah I've only double dipped on transistor so far and that was bc it was on sale
marsh rivet
@fierce ice @granite idol I downvoted that feedback too because the game already has a wealth of visual feedback, bordering on too much in very chaotic situations. A circle flood, particularly with Jury Summons and Cloner would be an eyesore
swift falcon
I might double dip on Hades for Switch, seems like a perfect game for that platform
Maybe if it goes on sale on switch
crude hazel
The only visual change I really really want is to make deflected AoE attacks look different.
I never know if a deflected Theseus bomb is safe, and it's the worst.
narrow hemlock
transistor and bastion were like 3 bucks on sale on switch not that long ago. might even still be on sale
crude hazel
Making them bright green would also be very thematic for Zagreus.
gusty slate
I just assume everything is out to get me, even my own deflects 
marsh rivet
Buying Hades on Switch gives me the best of both worlds. I can srs business high heat hardcore it on PC where I can keep seeds and stuff, and do "chill" 32 heats on Switch whenever I have time oot and aboot
flat vapor
hades on the train hades on the train
swift falcon
btw @marsh rivet you were so right, next 2 runs (11 and 12 heat) I picked deflect dash and made it to the end easy
obtuse crater
i honestly have no problem with epic, it's meh but whatever. i just did not got hades because i'm not much into early acces so decided to wait for the eventual steam release and because i own the other sgg on steam. then i bought it after the last update since i saw that the next partch is the launch so... but if the game came out "complete" on the egs about a year ago, i would have probably bough it
swift falcon
it makes such a difference for sword
obtuse crater
hades on switch must be perfect
marsh rivet
You're welcome :3 It was kind of fun to analyze a run to that degree.
And I'm glad good came out of it
swift falcon
yeah ty again haha
obtuse crater
don't own one but i've seen how much people enjoy roguelites like that on the go like dead cells
marsh rivet
Don't sleep on Dio's Aid though lol. Seriously. Do the math yourself, because I had to to believe how stupidly OP it is
swift falcon
gotcha, will keep it in mind next time I see it
but prob, it's better for melee weapons right
wouldn't be as effective with bow or gun
marsh rivet
The range is pretty big. Hades isn't really a game where you have the luxury to be THAT far from things. Things are real good at getting close to you
swift falcon
good point
but sometimes you try to make a build that prioritizes range
with sniper shot and distant memory
marsh rivet
Oh I've tried. It never works out 😦
marsh rivet
More power to you :3
swift falcon
lol
flat vapor
the social distance build
marsh rivet
lmao
crude hazel
It helps to have lots of speed.
More dashes, more movement speed.
That kind of thing.
marsh rivet
I could see it working maybe on Hestia
swift falcon
It's really tough on forced overtime tho, no? especially those dudes in elysium
they give me a headache watching them dash around
those are probably best distance closers
aside from teleporters
like sneak
actually the carts are pretty fast too
marsh rivet
Shifter Greatshields require some... patience.
gusty slate
Slow aura carts are my bane
marsh rivet
Let's call it patience
jade kindle
Dunno why but this convo made me think about a video I saw recently
Someone beat ||Hades using a full revenge build. They didn't move, they just let Hades take damage back. It was a close call but it actually worked||
jade kindle
let me check
crude hazel
That's pretty magical.
jade kindle
Channel name is Bjorii
flat vapor
did they have vengeful mood?
jade kindle
Video title is: ||How to demoralize your dad. Hades vs AFK Zagreus.||
jade kindle
Dunno if I can post the link, does it show the video preview?
swift falcon
I pretty much never take revenge boons because I'm always going "just don't get hit" in my head
jade kindle
Same
swift falcon
bit too arrogant I guess haha
flat vapor
<link> hides previews
flat vapor
you should also put a spoiler warning as well
crude hazel
Early boon from Aphrodite, and focusing on it probably helps.
gusty slate
Lol it was amusing to get more than 400 hp and some dmg reduction boons once, felt like I was in godmode XD
marsh rivet
400 is pretty easy to hit with Life Affirmation and/or Premium Vintage and the extremely likely 50 health Heart in Styx
swift falcon
I think I don’t value health enough
jade kindle
Same
swift falcon
Again, always thinking “if you don’t get hit health isn’t an issue”
jade kindle
I always go for boons and collectibles
swift falcon
But I do get hit lol
jade kindle
Me: Yeah I can dodge
Narrator: She, in fact, couldn't dodge
gusty slate
My playstyle is flailing around, so I have to account for taking a lot of damage 😛
Then again, I only do like 6 heat >_>
jade kindle
I'm still a baby with 2 heat
And I have to use god mode on last boss because I don't focus on a proper build lol
gusty slate
We all play differently, is np
as long as you're enjoying it!
which you are, from what I gather in the last convo xD
crude hazel
We've got a pretty good community here. Not a lot of 'get gud' sort of elitism.
jade kindle
But yeah same, I love using spear or fists and just hitting and dashing around like a madman
crude hazel
How you play is up to you. It's a video game, not a contest. What matters is playing in the way that you have the most fun.
So you're not a baby. You're just playing your way 😄
jade kindle
I'm glad there's no elitism here! I usually try to beat games on normal modes, but the last boss required way more focus that I didn't have at that moment. I just wanted to get more rewards to|| complete Orpheus/Eurydice, Achilles/Patroclus favors||, and I couldn't wait any longer lmao
gusty slate
Yeah Redacted does that
Resource grind is a bit tough
Story elements and interaction are lovely, can't wait to see what else comes in v1.0
jade kindle
I'll try to properly beat it once 1.0 comes out, I'll still play a lot before that and I'll get more experience and maybe, just maybe I'll manage to focus on a build
Story elements and interaction are lovely, can't wait to see what else comes in v1.0
@gusty slate Same! I'm very weak for lore
gusty slate
I need to do a v1.0 save though to fully experience the story so lul
jade kindle
I remember ||throwing myself into the lava or welcoming Asterius with open arms once I managed to meet Thanatos because I CRAVED to see how the interaction with Zagreus would develop||
I was literally like: ||"Thanatos I threw myself into the lava for you. Please accept this ambrosia."||
gusty slate
lol I would give up sometimes and let something kill me because i wasn't feeling the run
Yeah ||Thanatos is a little shy||
jade kindle
I usually go full until boss 3, but if I'm not feeling it I just|| let poison corrode me in the first available room||
Yeah ||Thanatos is a little shy||
@gusty slate And I love him for that. ||I totally didn't spend a ton of gems to craft his Deathlike stuff as soon as possible.||
(I swear I'll stop expressing my love for him at every chance I get. One day.)
gusty slate
Not a bad thing
brazen delta
I just unlocked the fully upgraded Aspect of Zagreus for Stygius, and the item description says it should now have 25% move speed and dash distance
I decided to test it to see how much of a difference the dash distance make and it seems I dash just as far when I don't have it equipped? I'm a little confused, not sure if I've found a bug or if I'm just misunderstanding what the Aspect does
gusty slate
Erm, lemme try, I haven't used that one yet
brazen delta
Yeah I lined myself up against the keepsake cabinet then dashed to the right, with and without the Aspect equipped
jade kindle
I haven't noticed honestly
brazen delta
seems I travelled the same distance both times
gusty slate
It's super minor
marsh rivet
I'm glad there's no elitism here!
@jade kindle Lol, there is a healthy dose of that in #h1-high-heat-strategies but it's usually in good fun and we don't typically take ourselves that seriously. Usually. cough
brazen delta
If it does it must be so hard to see
gusty slate
start at Skelly and go to the same spot with diff aspects
You'll notice it's super minor XD
brazen delta
Shouldn't 25% make more of a difference? With two dashes you should be travelling 50% further
gusty slate
Yeah, but the dash itself isn't really that far base I think
brazen delta
I really feel like I'm travelling the same distance lmao
jade kindle
@jade kindle Lol, there is a healthy dose of that in #h1-high-heat-strategies but it's usually in good fun and we don't typically take ourselves that seriously. Usually. cough
@marsh rivet I mean it's understandable in that channel, but as long as no one goes around saying "lol you only do x heat??" to new or chill people I see no problem
marsh rivet
I just unlocked the fully upgraded Aspect of Zagreus for Stygius, and the item description says it should now have 25% move speed and dash distance
I decided to test it to see how much of a difference the dash distance make and it seems I dash just as far when I don't have it equipped? I'm a little confused, not sure if I've found a bug or if I'm just misunderstanding what the Aspect does
@brazen delta Honestly... the Aspect just doesn't do that much lol. It's just Nemesis but sooo much worse.
brazen delta
Yeah I only upgraded it for the ||Skelly|| quest to begin with
marsh rivet
but as long as no one goes around saying "lol you only do x heat??" to new or chill people I see no problem
@jade kindleLol, we/they do, all the time, but it's virtually never not sarcastic/in good fun. High heat is a very subjective concept, and it will change as you get better.
gusty slate
I think Zag aspect goes 2 weapon squares, and normal dash goes 1.5?
Hm. Do a bug report it's pretty hard to tell
jade kindle
Maybe I'll try higher heats in the future, not anytime soon tho lol
brazen delta
I tried lining up against the squares too and it seems the same to me lmao
marsh rivet
Hashtag conspiracy theory, but guess is that Zag aspect is set as default so that it's next to guaranteed that your first weapon or blood expenditure feels AMAZING by comparison
brazen delta
I'll do a bug report, thanks for checking it for me
They both seem to go 1.75 squares
gusty slate
Yeah, it's very hard for me to line up and check xD
Doesn't hurt to tell SGG of possible bug
I wonder if it's dash attack. lol idk SGG it's in your hands now. Thanks for doing that Great Potential
teal patrol
no new Olympian at launch right?
gusty slate
Don't think so, but ||Persephone?||
As for boon givers, I believe so. No new ones, unless DLC
jade kindle
||I think she's not considered an Olympian?||
||She's kinda in the middle||
I'm going to tag this as spoiler but it's just a theory for what could happen:
||Since in mythology Persephone has to go back and forth between Hades and Demeter, making Demeter change the season due to her absence/presence, maybe Persephone could come back to the house of Hades? It's probably not the case, since Persephone is not with Hades and it's winter on the surface, so I'm not sure what direction the story will take, but man I would love to see her and visit her frequently in the house. At the same time I'm scared for the reunion because in her letter to Hades she didn't mention Zag, only Cerberus, so I'm like?? Does she totally not care about him? What happened? I'm both intrigued and scared for an angsty reunion ||
gusty slate
Yeah we'll see
rough token
|| Most likely, Persephone will be the character added in 1.0 ||
Excited to see though ^.^
jade kindle
I'm very excited for the ending! Scared and excited
gusty slate
Soon™️
gusty slate
night!
steep mulch
i really, really hope that 1.0 gives a big boost to Gem collecting
some of those upgrades are really pricey
fading edge
yeah if there was something like dark thirst for gems i'd really appreciate that
steep mulch
its sucks, unfortunately
it should give you gems equal to 25% of darkness you collect
gusty slate
gem grind is pretty slow
crude hazel
I dunno.
I'm almost done with it, and I still have darkness upgrades to get.
I've got like 150 hours in the game admittedly.
sharp fossil
i just broke 200 hours yesterday, and still need several thousand
but yeah i also don’t grab them that often anymore, so i brought this on myself lol
crude hazel
I grab gems all the time.
I only have... Three paintings left for the west wing.
And a few great hall pillars.
So about 2k odd gems left to get.
hearty dock
I have never seen ||Thanatos--is it just a random chance to run into him?||
fading edge
run 28 or 29, beaten the game once, never seen him :(
soft nimbus
Just hit 100 hours in Hades!
brisk trail
Got this game a week ago
I have put over 100 hours into it
My thoughts: perhaps the best rogue like ever, beats powder117 even for me
They should release content packs with new gods and boons, like Apollo and hera
Orpheus is nonbinary, fight me, and alecto with that flat chest and wide shoulders seems trans to me :)
The love story between Achilles and patroclus is adorable
Hades himself is a jerk
There should be another area past elysium besides the weird triangle-door temple place
And your final world's enemies should be more than just giant rats lol
Like, we fought the souls of dead warriors, zombie skeletons, bone hydras, the furies...
But rats?
Also, it should be made more clear that than is a romance option from the beginning. The combo of him being my half brother and also super tsundere made me think he was actually an antagonist for a while
Until he got catty with me for hooking up with meg
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk; tldr this game is awesome and I want to sincerely thank the devs for creating together such a wonderful, polished, stylized experience.
It tickles my autism in just the right places
sharp fossil
My thoughts: perhaps the best rogue like ever, beats powder117 even for me
big agree
They should release content packs with new gods and boons, like Apollo and hera
let's not get ahead of ourselves; its not even out of early access yet lol
brisk trail
You'd expect them to be working on expansion content well before they release the game, right? At least that's how it's worked on every software release schedule I've ever worked on lol
They will probably have a finished, ready-to-ship program a few weeks before it releases
sharp fossil
they've said they're focusing on 1.0 for now at least
but who knows for the future i guess
fading edge
watching hades streams is making me realize how hard it is to help people pronounce greek names over text
fading edge
brisk trail
The most complex one that people have a problem with is cassiopeia
rough token
Also, Haru, they've explicitly said they're not thinking about anything past 1.0 yet
narrow hemlock
most very recent statement about dlc/expansion content https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/746432892908994591
so no they're not working on expansion content
actually i think greg addressed this in the recent noclip doc too i wanna say? pulls that back up
quaint wind
honestly if pretty surprised if they had any big post-lauch stuff, they've never really anything like that
they also have had a like "this is finished product is exactly the way we want it to be and we don't want to go anymore into it" thing
for all the previous games
narrow hemlock
OH I FOUND IT i was genuinely starting to think i dreamt this commentary up, i was skimming around the video and kept missing it https://youtu.be/_rRan888rRY?t=1786
but here they address that
honestly given this comment here its probably unlikely hades will be seeing dlc. maybe it could still happen but probably unlikely
narrow hemlock
tbh i wouldnt even say 'if it gets popular' because thats just going to give people expectations, esp since hades is quite popular already as it is
people are gonna go, look, the game is really popular, why on earth arent you doing dlc?
crude hazel
I was just thinking of how Bastion got DLC.
But only after it hugely, hugely exploded.
narrow hemlock
bastion was also published by warner bros
quaint wind
yeah but it was a blip
novel wasp
New DLC: you can now combine Triple bomb and Scatter bomb on rail
Now Tis can taste the medicine of her carpet bombing
peak fern
I’d love more gods with new effects
peak fern
I vote Apollo
glossy dirge
One thing I would like to see is an endless mode
narrow hemlock
ultimately we gotta remember the game is telling a specific story and the goal isnt continuously adding new content
novel wasp
De Meme Ter
crude hazel
They're one of the few devs I have complete faith in.
novel wasp
Demeter but she used to use Feet for everything so its Defeet
peak fern
Agreed. I’d be quite surprised if they had DLC but I wonder if developing Hades in early access may impact how they think about slowly adding more complexity into one of their games
novel wasp
tho the dlc shouldnt yknow, change the game story
like some dlcs in other games challenges the canon of the original story
narrow hemlock
i think apollo was actually an early considered god come to think of it but hes come up a few times in qa as someone who ended up not being relevant to the story
peak fern
Yeah. More like adding side stuff like the Witcher 3 DLC than anything continuing the main plot
novel wasp
we already have a lot of dmg type gods
we have dot which is dio, we have crit which is art, we have bouncy damage which is zeus, we have cc which is posy, we have slow which is dememeter
peak fern
Since it’s in the world of Greek myth there endless potential for more stories and a wider cast of characters.
peak fern
Maybe he could give you some kind of buff, like making you immune or at least resistant to status effects through his light
novel wasp
coughs in Athena
peak fern
Or blind enemies?
novel wasp
Athena is the pinnacle of No U i think it shouldnt change it
peak fern
Applying some kind of beam effect to your attacks would be cool; kind of like how certain boons and hammers add waves or projectiles to your attacks
novel wasp
also what type of status effect aside from poison is common enough for it to need an answer for it
narrow hemlock
a major sore point for me with apollo is that even hypothetically if he were added content, it bothers me that artemis never mentions him at all. it would just feel weird narrative-wise
novel wasp
^
remote lily
In Hades it could be quite easy and hard at the same times to add more content.
peak fern
Yeah
novel wasp
unless they really tried to rerecord all of artemis voice
which god forbid because theres like
at least more than hundred of them
remote lily
You can make a twist where somehow Zag reborn in different place, and he must find a way to home
novel wasp
not worth the trouble
narrow hemlock
most of the olympians have like 200 lines apiece lol
remote lily
Even more sometimes
narrow hemlock
yeah i think hermes has more, the majority of them are roughly the same
ones that have more narrative impact have more
peak fern
Yeah they could just plop him in a different mythical setting, since ||the final aspects of each weapon involve beings from other mythos and lore||
But at that point it would be a whole other game
remote lily
It would also adopt monster hunter style
There is a looot different Monsters in greek Mythology
And zag can hunt them heh
narrow hemlock
reminder we also know every single character gets new content for 1.0 and greg posted on steam theres at least 3k new lines coming 
novel wasp
monkaS
peak fern
I’m so excited for the new areas
peak fern
I really think we’ll be going all the way to Olympus
narrow hemlock
well theres no new gameplay areas if thats what you want
novel wasp
but again how would true ending plays out
narrow hemlock
here you go https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2568689796938951223/#c2568689796939013056
novel wasp
as if we already seen the whole game then
peak fern
Like how are you gonna end a game you describe as god-like without getting to at least step foot on Olympus?
novel wasp
i just wish god forbid we receive another 4th aspect that is slow
narrow hemlock
zags goal was never going to olympus tho
peak fern
No, but he might need to for some reason during his quest
novel wasp
good thing Aspect of lulu is more fun
peak fern
Plus the gods constantly discuss wanting him to chill with them on Olympus, especially dio and Aphrodite
remote lily
Oh, totally forgot. I wish that they would release small DLC and add scythe
narrow hemlock
thats because they think his goal is getting to olympus
peak fern
Yes I want scythe too
novel wasp
@remote lily Add bouldy as a weapon or else
narrow hemlock
remember nyx is the one who reached out and obtained their help, for zagreus. shes responsible for feeding them the idea that zag is trying to escape to get to them
remote lily
I always use Bouldy keepsake <3
peak fern
I know, and I doubt he’d really go there; after all why would there be anything there to fight him if the gods are supporting him
novel wasp
the Yeet weapon
narrow hemlock
thats what ive been saying every time i see people want to go god of war lol
peak fern
But I still think at least we may seek him visit in like the end credits or something
rough token
That's been suggested a couple times lol (the yeet)
narrow hemlock
i think if theres olympus visits it'll be familial related since thats a big theme to the game
remote lily
I mainly use it to heal and kill Megeara haha
novel wasp
1, it fricking heals, 2 why wouldnt you want to use it to delete bosses for meme points 3. bouldy is the pinnacle of peak alpha male
narrow hemlock
that seems like an obvious statement now that im looking at it LOL but i mean in the sense of like. repairing relationships
novel wasp
@remote lily i use it to kill theseus because yes
narrow hemlock
bouldly needs to stop blocking attacks with obols, it makes me sad
peak fern
Yeah, maybe it could have some brutal side challenges? Like the gods fight him but just for funsies to test him. Like a more extreme version of the trial rooms
narrow hemlock
i doubt it
remote lily
bouldly needs to stop blocking attacks with obols, it makes me sad
@narrow hemlock actually its something that devs know
narrow hemlock
yeah i know, people bring it up in feedback all the time
remote lily
And you can use it to block little vermin to kill him easier
No. I mean, its how it should work
novel wasp
imagine you can use bouldy twice in the same room
peak fern
Wonder if there will be another NPC to befriend in the next biome, and who it may be
narrow hemlock
bold of you to assume i have anything resembling timing and strategy 🤪
novel wasp
watch me just abuse ||dad|| with it
rough token
There isn't going to be another biome?
rough token
And you can use it to block little vermin to kill him easier
@remote lily How? He || can literally teleport ||
novel wasp
@rough token but if hes stuck inside the obol, hes free meat
narrow hemlock
vermeat
rough token
Wut
remote lily
Yeach z but still it helps when he doesn't fly around haha
rough token
That sounds even more like a bug lmao
novel wasp
somehow he teleports into the obol
it can stuck enemies
because ive tried to stuck the bull with the darkness lmao
and then he just, stands there
rough token
Nah, if I want to cheese that fight I'll use || Skelly || and put him in the corner where they can't hit him
novel wasp
🧀
narrow hemlock
you know this is gonna end up on a like sticky note on one of the dev's computer screens or something and it gets patched out 1.0 lolol
narrow hemlock
someone at supergiant: lets patch this out specifically to spite fade
rough token
amoose
novel wasp
New hammer for zag fist but its just a big slap
novel wasp
its special is just zag spins around while both arms out and slap backhand forehand its enemies
also @narrow hemlock if they really wanna spite me they can always remove hunting baes
narrow hemlock
no they'll spite you just by inconveniencing you
novel wasp
but remove hunting baes is inconveniencing me
because thats my thick cheese energy came from
narrow hemlock
rough token
hunting baes
novel wasp
Hunting Blades
novel wasp
Yeah, i just call it hunting baes
narrow hemlock
I think I need to make an ares emote later for these situations
narrow hemlock
no
narrow hemlock
cursed
novel wasp
even though its Artemis does all the job
Artemis with a glock that says Delete This
narrow hemlock
okay hilariously I do have something similar to that but ares
narrow hemlock
I do not remember the context for this but feel free to add it to your cursed collection https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698728164532420770/715756643530309704/honestly_why.png
novel wasp
I will make you
narrow hemlock
good luck
novel wasp
"uh oh sisters"
calm laurel
ayyyy
novel wasp
ayyyy
brisk trail
Oh god
novel wasp
uh oh sisters you got maimed
slender monolith
oh my god
viral rover
I am pretty sure this classifies as a cruel and unusual punishment.
jade kindle
Pact of Punishment - Discord edition
flat vapor
sister sisyphus 
worthy egret
who let fade out of their cage again
flat vapor
sister slippery soul
sharp onyx
jade kindle
I think someone wrote about it in #h1-tech-support or #h1-tech-fixes ?
Random question: out of all the characters without a companion, who would you like to have a companion from? And what kind of companion (appearance/ability) would it be?
I'd love a companion from Hypnos. It could be a bear or a koala, and it could deal minor damage + heavy slow/stun effect in the area
narrow hemlock
was really hoping for the last slot being hypnos bc that just made sense to me in that than and meg both got one and are close with nyx (since nyx is hypnos and than's actual mother) and nyx is the one who created the companions, so why wouldnt hypnos get one. but im glad the last slot ended up being who it was if it couldnt be the other twin lol
tropic quiver
but Nyx hasnt been interacting with hypnos for who knows how long
so it makes some sense
jade kindle
I-m so sad about that... Hypnos needs more love
narrow hemlock
if that doesnt resolve in 1.0 i will throw hands 😔 i want some wholesome night family interactions
jade kindle
Same!!
faint jackal
Question - what attack boon do you guys like on shield? I am unable to figure out what would be the best
narrow hemlock
its just baffling to me that zagreus, known for always sticking his nose into everyone else's business, hears nyx tell him she doesnt speak to her son and he just goes oh that sucks too bad hypnos! what on earth
jade kindle
I'm glad at least that ||I could shower him in ambrosia and somehow become his best friend, even tho he said something like "you're the only one who talks to me"||
Yeah like?? I understand the attachment to Nyx but pls Zag tell her to acknowledge his existence sometimes
narrow hemlock
@faint jackal you might go poke around in #h1-builds-and-combat the regs there are pretty good with those sort of questions
jade kindle
Petition to give Hypnos more friends and love
faint jackal
thanks tatz
narrow hemlock
o/ worth noting is that i would imagine the boon also depends on what shield aspect you prefer too
jade kindle
(Sorry Ascate I totally missed your message while typing! I'm not of much help tho, I run the same things on almost every weapon oof)
faint jackal
@jade kindle Yeah, me too ... my go to is honestly aphrodite at the moment or zeus for fist / rail
narrow hemlock
i just equip stuff and go into a run with no plan and hope for the best, absolute chaotic energy, so i cant help much with gameplay stuff lmao
jade kindle
I usually go with Athena/Ares/Dionysus/Demeter and kinda ignore the others unless I have to take them
Big mood Tatz
faint jackal
I usually start with boon to make the run faster and then I try to hard run for chaos as I am just trying to finish renovations I miss about 4.5k gems to have literally everything the contractor has to offer including duplicates
jade kindle
I'm way behind on that, I probably won't be able to buy everything before 1.0
narrow hemlock
theres more contractor stuff coming too
jade kindle
o o f
faint jackal
I know, because of that I want to be caught up with what is there right now
like I just bought the bloody fountain for 3k and 1,5k gems
But hard rolling chaos for gems and playing ||excalibur|| with Aphrodite seems to be the fastest for me. My last 10 runs were all below 20
narrow hemlock
but yeah shield really depends, i think chaos synergizes fairly well with any god, zeus is really good on zeus (lol sounds a bit egotistical), the gameplay nerds could probably help you further if you have build questions
faint jackal
like Aphro 1st boon, Poseidon 2nd (+% reward or sunken treasure) and artemis / gold for 3rd/4th just to buy the gem / blood and to hit like a truck
jade kindle
You made me realize I never switch aspects
I almost never use the special because it's weird to use Q while I'm moving so much, should probably rebind
faint jackal
I rebounded special to mid key on the mouse and it is much more organic - left, right and middle
narrow hemlock
oh i mostly use controller and only kbm for rail lol
makes me wonder how theyre gonna handle the wonky controller aim with rail on switch
faint jackal
maybe more auto aim? seems like the most logical way to handle it
jade kindle
I rebounded special to mid key on the mouse and it is much more organic - left, right and middle
@faint jackal I should try that!
faint jackal
@jade kindle I did it because I like to run the new bow with zeus / dio ... it is honestly crazy!
and you can keep moving and dodging while holding special
jade kindle
I try to avoid the bow because charging the shot makes me feel slow, is it weird to think so?
So many times I think "ok now I shoot and dash" but I didn't give it time and now the shot won't ... well, won't shot
Too used to mindlessy clicking with spear/fists
narrow hemlock
if you dont like the charge shots, use more special oriented builds. chiron and hera are where are i learned to enjoy bow lol i didnt like zag aspect for the longest time when i started
bow is a lot more hammer reliant than other weapons
id def say give chiron a spin and see how that fares
jade kindle
mmmmh interesting
I'll have to see which boons to look for because the special is weak at basic stage
But thanks for the advice! I'll try that then
narrow hemlock
yeah that is a problem with chiron is that its lacking unless you level it up, but with boons it might still feel better than focusing on the charge shot
worth a try anyway
gusty slate
I like Hera's burst damage and 4th aspect is funny to me
faint jackal
||Rama bow ||+ Dionysus / Zeus is the best for special in my honest opinion. The damage output is just crazy
But I really like Zagreus bow + bounce
swift falcon
I have a mouse that has buttons on the side of it, I just rebound special onto one
Makes life a lot easier
Whenever there’s a button in a game that’s close to the movement keys and it’s an important ability, I rebind it onto a mouse key so that I can have full movement while using it
fringe garnet
tbqh, Ares is my least favorite boon provider
not sure if i'm just not playing him right
reef rampart
Hi, I want to pick up hades but I was wondering should I wait a bit till the end of the EA and get the game on lauch sale? Or is the completion of the game still afar? (sorry for bad english)
void vigil
there is no exact date for version 1.0 except for fall 2020, but its not guaranteed it will be on sale at launch
crude bobcat
Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I'm dying for a full length poster of the map that shows up in between underworld regions as you travel up
gusty slate
Would be a nice poster, I wonder if that can be suggested 
idle notch
hi
jade kindle
You mean the ||companions||? I can tell you if you need it
idle notch
yeah those
jade kindle
Which ones do you have? Type it as a spoiler just in case
distant lotus
|| on both sides of the text
jade kindle
That one, I was going for the long explanation lmao
jade kindle
That you can select a text while you're typing it and discord shows you some icons to modify it
So you can do this and this and this and this and ||this||
But yeah Jv is smart and quick
jade kindle
remote lily
Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I'm dying for a full length poster of the map that shows up in between underworld regions as you travel up
@crude bobcat http://imgur.com/a/d5fFrDb
remote lily
There is also colored version
crude bobcat
YES exactly that. You think they’ll ever put it into the store?
remote lily
I would love if they did full resolution in the store
jade kindle
Dunno but if they do Imma be like 👀
Honestly I'd love to get Hades merch
But I'll probably have to wait a while before they make more stuff
remote lily
For now there are T-shirts
remote lily
Yes
narrow hemlock
they'll prob do hades merch after 1.0 but as to what kinds of merch, we wont know. some kind of zagreus print is for sure, based on the prints they have currently
i do remember they said somewhere once they didnt want to focus on that kind of stuff til after launch
jade kindle
If they make a Than print I'm going to hang in in my room and pray to it every night
remote lily
remember that covid makes things harder
jade kindle
Of course! I totally get the situation, no worries
remote lily
Centaur Heart Pillow would be cool 😄
remote lily
As well as true Obol coin
jade kindle
So many possibilities
jade kindle
y e s
remote lily
from PomGranates
distant lotus
Would love a physical version of Athena's keepsake simply because I like how it looks
Or Ares' keepsake as a necklace
jade kindle
yes! so many things could me made with the keepsakes
real hypnos purse
I wish I had some motivation to sew stuff
distant lotus
The thunder signet would be a relatively easy one to make I imagine
crude bobcat
little pins of everything would be cute! or some stickers
jade kindle
yes!!
distant lotus
I would actually like Meg's earrings even though I've never worn any myself
Though I know shipping would be quite problematic
distant lotus
Which makes me quite sad actually
swift falcon
little late to the convo but I would love a poster of Hades
with the full cast of Gods on display
jade kindle
Hell yes
distant lotus
Oh yeah
Would also like something like Zagreus with the gods standing behind him or something
That's 2 "like"s and "somethings"s in the same sentence
I swear I know other words
jade kindle
Sometimes I mix english and my main language
And I suddently forget the gift of speech
distant lotus
Speech comes and goes
I often find myself trying to speak and coming up with just muddled up sounds
jade kindle
I'm loving the soundtrack Scourge of the Furies
The second half really makes me go hype
idle notch
Which ones do you have? Type it as a spoiler just in case
@jade kindle i have ||megara's, than's and boney's||
jade kindle
||By boney you mean skelly?||
The other two are
||Dusa (you need to buy some lounge renovations to be able to give her ambrosia and receive the companion)
Achilles&Patroclus (you need to go back and forth between them until Achilles asks you to modify his contract and let him see Patroclus, the contract will be available from the contractor for 7 diamonds)||
jade kindle
no problem!
clear thicket
general question: why does choosing a boon sometimes drop a heart?
ruby sedge
Does Extending Jab affect the Guan Yu spin's damage?
swift falcon
@jade kindle @idle notch don't forget about ||sisyphus and bouldy, which you get from talking to him enough to change his contract||
jade kindle
Damn you're right! I was totally sure they were 5 instead of 6, my bad
idle notch
Thanks
swift falcon
Yes shame on you for ||forgetting the character with the most dialogue and personality of any of them, bouldy ||
😁
fringe kernel
@strange hare offline again? no reacts added in latest feedback
jade kindle
I hope Bouldy will be able to forgive me
In my defence, I have only a couple of brain cells and they can all focus exclusively on Than
gusty slate
crude hazel
Also generally for the ones that involve contracts, and Dusa I think, you need to be friends with Momma Nyx.
At least a little.
narrow hemlock
uh you might have to be maxed at her locked heart for all of them, i know its required for sisyphus and hes not even as closely related
crude hazel
I'm not sure about the exact level. I know it's not Ambrosia level.
And I don't think you need to be friends with her for Meg.
narrow hemlock
i should have clarified, i mean the contract ones
honestly when in doubt just fling nectar at everyone lol
crude hazel
Move over Dionysus, there's a new god of partying.
fading edge
oh well that's a whole conversation we could have
in orphism, dionysus was the infant son of zeus and persephone who was killed and eaten by the titans
crude hazel
Yeah but in universe, that's all a prank Zag and Dionysus played on Orpheus.
fading edge
^ which is maybe the funniest possible interpretation
but if you're at all curious, it's a super interesting rabbit hole to go down re: dio and zag in orphism
narrow hemlock
sighs wistfully, dio with horns
tho iirc zag had horns in the dionysiaca too, imagine if we'd gotten any horned gods at all 🤧
rough token
@quaint wind StyxBot seems to be down, heads up
quaint wind
oh thanks for telling me
fringe garnet
I've noticed sometimes the "elite" skull symbol on chamber doors is centered, sometimes off-centered. Does this mean anything? Is it a glitch?
fading gazelle
If you could provide a screenshot of both instances that would be nice
fringe garnet
https://i.imgur.com/BVVhChk.jpg
Note the elite symbols on each door
fading gazelle
That is definitely a bug. Make sure to 
it whenever you get the chance
rough token
@quaint wind for right now, could you or one of the other mods add the emotes?
narrow hemlock
peach got it
jovial patio
dang
heroic ares cast hella strong
even just 3 casts tore through theseus
he went from his intro to casting his Call
red nest
what is the hades challenge? I was looking at the roles and I was curious! I'm new to the server :3c
fading gazelle
We have weekly challenges for those who are more interested for a challenge. You can check out the current weekly challenge in the #h1-builds-and-combat pins! We're currently on a break, but you can definitely try the current one. If you manage to do the challenge within the timelimit, your name will be featured in the Hall of Fame. If you do enjoy it, you can give the previous challenges a go as well. Hope you enjoy your stay in hell 
rough token
(you can also do any of them in any order :3)
red nest
Awe thank you!
tawny light
After playing Gunfire Reborn for a bit, boy do I appreciate how Hades works on unlocks and upgrades a lot more.
dusk grove
damn my save data corrupted
havent played in ages (but also didnt get very far) so this sucks to come back to
jade kindle
Oh noooo
dusk grove
damn the recovery stuff didnt work either so rip
...and now the slot just doesnt work either after hitting delete
quasi sleet
gunfire reborn is a hellish grind compared to hades, ironically
i love the mirror in hades, especially how quick it is to fill out
tho I do wish darkness was more useful after, other than needing huge amounts for extra re-rolls
smoky rune
viral rover
Hades collector's edition pls
swift falcon
Since hades supports steam cloud I should be able to keep my saves even if I go to a new PC right? Maybe back up saves just in case?
rough token
yes to both, still back them up @swift falcon
swift falcon
And I guess it’s best to back them up to an external hard drive?
That way I can just copy over the save file if something goes wrong
rough token
yup, or your own cloud storage
hushed shore
I recently went to a new PC, steam cloud worked perfectly. backup is always a good idea just in case
jade kindle
Random question time!
Because I like asking random pointless questions!
If you could get a keepsake from someone who doesn't give any (example: Hades, Alecto, Asterius ecc), who would it be and what would their keepsake be?
crude hazel
Theseus Keepsake. Because first of all, more banter dialogue will be acquired from it. Especially when you give them ambrosia. That you plundered from them.
It would absolutely be his silly mask. And it could be something funny and sort of 'boss' like, boosting your attack, special and cast depending on the percentage of health you're on.
jade kindle
Especially when you give them ambrosia. That you plundered from them.
@crude hazel "Hey I have something for you" "Ah yes, the Ambrosia bottle that you stole from me 57 runs ago when I got mauled to death. Lovely"
But I agree! His mask would be a perfect gift
crude hazel
There's a solid chance that's coming in 1.0.
swift falcon
It should let you take one hit in Erebus
That’s my idea
Idk what else I would do with it
swift falcon
Exactly
Hades begrudgingly gives you something
And zagreus giving him a hard time
Would be worth it for that
jade kindle
"Ah great, a new toy for Cerberus"
gusty slate
"Boy... I don't know what you're scheming, but... bah just take this and get out of my sight"
obsidian ingot
Going through the Developing Hell documentaries. And wow, they are really well made. A+ Noclip
brazen delta
My one complaint about the Noclip documentaries is they don't show enough about the game design itself! I wanted to see more of how they develop ideas, concepts, stuff like that
Like one of the most fascinating parts for me was them arguing about Exagryph, knowing full well that the argument they're having leads nowhere
I wish we got more concept art as well, stuff like that
jade kindle
I would totally ask "so where did this idea come from? did you see Zagreus and thought 'we could make a game about him' or did you develop the death cycle idea and Zagreus + mythology came after the initial pitch?"
I'm extremely curious about that
brazen delta
Me too! Like where the idea begin
Zagreus isn't a well-known mythological figure to begin with and as far as I know there's no stories about him leaving the Underworld
jade kindle
I'm a game programming student so I don't really understand design, but being around design students makes my brain go brrrr
Same, I had never heard of Zagreus before this game ;;
obsidian ingot
I work in IT. So it's super interesting for me to see some of the ins and outs of the dev cycle.
jade kindle
I saw in the channel #ask-supergiant that sometimes it's open and it's free to ask stuff, does anyone know when they'll be open to questions again?
brazen delta
I briefly studied classics and had also never heard of Zagreus, probably because there's no concrete stories about him it all seems a bit contradictory
Probably one of the myths that has been lost to time
jade kindle
I only joined recently so I have no idea how this thing works
obsidian ingot
Same here. Never heard of Hades having a son.
Gotta say, I looove his dichromatic eyes.
jade kindle
His eyes are an universal treasure
sharp fossil
#ask-supergiant is for when they do Q&As, which happen from time to time
brazen delta
I wasn't sure if I liked the art style to begin with but after I got used to it I'm floored by some of the genius character designs
sharp fossil
they’ll make an announcement when the next one is coming
brazen delta
Megaera's is great
obsidian ingot
I can't believe it's all hand-drawn. Just incredible.
jade kindle
#ask-supergiant is for when they do Q&As, which happen from time to time
@sharp fossil I see, thank you! I'll keep my eyes open for an announcement then 👀
brazen delta
tfw you compare the designs in God of War to the ones in Hades 🙄
fading edge
lmao first thing my dad said when he saw hades was "oh kratos!"
jade kindle
Character design is awesome! Every character is particular and detailed and they give you a clear idea of what they are simply by looking at them
jade kindle
In so many games I have trouble remembering characters because they are similar to each others or have no particular trait, but BOY I could remember all Hades character after the first time I met them
Thousands kudos at SG
brazen delta
Despite the character designs being out there they're still all very respectful to the myths
Unlike a certain other franchise
(Sorry for the God of War hate I don't really hate those games)
jade kindle
I haven't played God of War so I can't really say
I only remember the World Serpent because
Well
It's a hella big snake
brazen delta
Oh the new Norse ones are dope
jade kindle
Kinda hard to find other hella big snakes
brazen delta
I only dislike the designs of the characters in the original Greek games
jade kindle
I see I see
jade kindle
This is Hades??
brazen delta
YEP
brazen delta
gives me Big Daddy vibes
jade kindle
a common enemy at worst
calm laurel
heh, sin
jade kindle
It's 2 am and I'm supposed to go to sleep but I worked on school projects all day and I just remember that I ||haven't bought Hypnos' furniture|| and I'm totally going to farm it right now to relax my nerves
fringe garnet
Last night, someone told me about how a big part of v1.0 is two-player co-op. Couldn't believe I had not heard of it. Told me a bit about it. Spent some time speculating what it could be, landed on that it would be unlocked through completing the story.
That you would discover Zag had a sister, Melinoe, the daughter of Hades and Persephone, and that Persephone took her away when she departed. This is the "bigger" secret at play than simply the identity of Zag's mother. You'd find her and then be able to play as either character or engage in two-player co-op, sharing Infernal Arms and dealing with 150% more enemies.
............ and then learned that, no, i was right, there is no multiplayer, i was lied to
and now i am sad.
narrow hemlock
yeah i dont know where that person got their information from, but hades is built from the ground up as a single player experience
fringe garnet
i'm well aware of that, don't get me wrong
but i could see local co-op.
a lot of people see multiplayer as antithetical to a story-driven/single-player experience but i really think two-player local-only co-op is an exception to that
like, the Halo 1 co-op campaign is just as good/engaging as the Halo 1 single player campaign because... it's the same!
same at games like Tales of Symphonia
narrow hemlock
well the problem is the narrative is a heavy focus and you cant simply drop in a brand new character with no prior mentions or backstory or anything and have them take an important role
fringe garnet
well, that's why i was thinking she would be a seminal character in the plot
crude hazel
Also a big problem is that implementing multiplayer in any capacity is an exceptional amount of work for the devs.
fringe garnet
True
crude hazel
Like, a huge amount.
fringe garnet
I ain't pining for MP, don't worry, I am very happy with what we got
quaint wind
right that's also why pyre didn't have any online play
fringe garnet
I just liked speculating about what the co-op story could have been
crude hazel
It's a fun thought experiment. Write some fanfiction 😄
fringe garnet
Well, I gotta wait to see what's through that winter door first
If Melinoe exists I will feel so-very validated
Her background/story is very very fitting
crude hazel
I wouldn't hold my breath.
fringe garnet
I don't mean as a multi-player character, lol
I mean a character that Persephone brought with her out of Hades
crude hazel
I still wouldn't. They've said we're probably only getting one more NPC.
fringe garnet
I thought they said we were only getting one more Olympian.
crude hazel
There's a better chance that Melinoe is another prank that they play on Orpheus.
fringe garnet
There are slots for 7 more keepsakes, I don't think
they'd just leave 6 of them permanently empty
Here's my argument for why she's not unreasonable:
There is a secret being kept from Zag. It's more than just that Nyx isn't his mom / Persephone is.
A secret sibling is a pretty good fit!
fringe garnet
Apollo is coming.
narrow hemlock
no
if you are referring to the noclip title card, that was a reference to the pandemic and apollo as a bringer of plagues
crude hazel
Apollo ain't coming.
narrow hemlock
crude hazel
One more NPC. Whose identity I think most people can figure out.
fringe garnet
Ahhhh I misread that Tweet, thanks for the confirmation
Well. I'm pretty curious about the six unaccounted for keepsake slots, then. Plus the six "secret stash" slots.
crude hazel
They might not end up being anything.
fringe garnet
That seems unlike Supergiant's aesthetic in Bastion/Transistor/Pyre
where you don't have perma-empty slots
everything's arranged to be full
jade kindle
The "six secret stash slots"?
fringe garnet
no
i mean, yes
but also, the 6 extra keepsake slots
that are blank
Well, there are 7. But one is presumably for the new character in 1.0
jade kindle
By secret stash you mean those below the normal keepsakes?
fringe garnet
Yeah, the game labels it "secret stash" I think
crude hazel
You can get them now.
fringe garnet
We're talking about two different things so I want to make sure.
Keepsakes - these are given to you by characters when give them nectar. You can equip them. Their benefits strengthen when you wear them through enough chambers. Currently, there are 7 "open" slots, unaccounted for, with nothing to fill them.
On the keepsakes screen, there are 6 large boxes at the bottom called "secret stash." This is something that will unlock for me as I play more of the game. Nothing will be added to them in version 1.0.
Is this right?
Or are you saying that even those 7 "open" slots under keepsakes can also be filled right now?
novel wasp
Yes
terse geyser
there are empty slots
the big ol' golden boxes can be filled on the current patch, but the empty slots can't
pastel rain
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but can effects like hangover or doom do critical damage?
still shard
Only with Arty's Pressure Points boon
pastel rain
What about the splitting headache duo of Arty and Dio? They have a higher chance to be crit based on hangover stacks
fading gazelle
Yes but that applies to only crit damage. It doesn't allow any damage to become critical damage
fading gazelle
No probs
pastel grove
Hey, idk if this is a dumb question but have there been any announcements of if/when the Hades album will be offered on vinyl. I know the other SG games are offered but I can't seem to find any announcements anywhere about Hades'
quartz flume
So is 1.0 out yet? 
viscid zealot
rigid narwhal
I'm a fairly new player, just reached surface twice. Spoiler for Charon's shop.
||Saw a tempting coin behind him, like 4 encounters into Tartarus. Took it. What on earth??? Had no chance! A beast of a boss, seems harder than Hades because you have nothing at the start. Anyone fought him and won before?||
past mirage
It's possible with practice and a strong setup. The fight is also possible in later areas.
mellow finch
If you want to be a bit cheesy you can also use the shield to block all the projectiles.
void vigil
Hades’ full soundtrack hasn’t been released yet, so any physical album releases will probably only come after 1.0 if supergiant have plans for them @pastel grove
wheat pecan
If we bought Hades on Epic Games to support them at launch is there anyway to get it on steam?
I was so excited to give them my money I didn't think about keeping things on the same platform haha
void vigil
No, except rebuying it
slow snow
how close are we to the full release
compact karma
If we bought Hades on Epic Games to support them at launch is there anyway to get it on steam?
@Gravnos#4137 I wanted to ask the same thing actually, maybe not just a free code but some sort of discount would be nice
void vigil
Next update is 1.0 which will be sometime in the fall this year @slow snow
compact karma
does Hades have achievements on Steam?
void vigil
People who bought hades on egs early got the soundtrack for free
it will have achievements when 1.0 launches
compact karma
thanks!
frigid scarab
where's the best place to ask the dev team about things regarding Hades?
narrow hemlock
@frigid scarab usually #ask-supergiant but that only opens for certain periods and not all questions get answered. depending on what you want to ask, you might search through dev replies in that channel and see if it's been answered previously
frigid scarab
i tried to have a look, i was wondering about achievement progress carrying through from early access into the main game
narrow hemlock
I think there may have been a mention that some kinds of achievements may be retroactive where possible, but I can't look for a possible source atm. Though it would be reasonable to believe as, for example, new prophecies added in blood price were retroactive
just checked through twt and didn't see anything I'll keep looking later and see if there was any vague mention somewhere
smoky halo
is the dire snakestone really rare or something?
I've finished like 10 runs, gone all the way through styx multiple times (intentionally running into mini bosses trying to get the Dire Snakestone) but still no luck
terse geyser
that's just pure bad luck
if your goal of the entire run is to get that miniboss, though, you should go into a miniboss tunnel first, then take normal tunnels until you get the ||sack||, then go into the second miniboss tunnel
frigid scarab
cheers @narrow hemlock
smoky halo
oh true, I've been doing the tunnel first to avoid it but I haven't been waiting until after to do the other one
ty
rough token
Prophecy
distant lotus
Oh I see
Either I didn't look through the prophecies enough or just don't have it, either one being equally likely as the other to be honest
rough token
Ye :D
fringe garnet
going back to an earlier subject: keepsakes. The ones you get from giving nectar to characters.
There are currently 7 open slots. 1 of them, presumably, will be filled by a new character in 1.0. What do folks predict about the other 6?
Someone yesterday said "maybe they'll just leave them empty," but that does not feel like it fits Supergiant's design aesthetics to me. Bastion, Transistor, Pyre - their equivalent sections did not have big open/empty sections, they used all physical space.
I think this means we can reasonably expect 6 additional keepsakes. But if we aren't getting more than 1 new character, what could they be?
I suspect Hades himself may eventually give you a keepsake, so that's one.
kind moss
could have the 5 other bosses I guess
fringe garnet
Bone Hydra, Theseus, Asterius, Tisiphone, and Alecto? Interesting! I could see that
especially if Hades ends up giving one.
jade kindle
Let us pet Learnie!!
past mirage
What could possibly go wrong?
jade kindle
"Hey Learnie, hiss once if you want to be pet"
fringe garnet
on a not-unrelated note: i love how universally folks have a crush on Zag. great work on him, SG
narrow hemlock
fringe garnet
Hmmmm.... then what could the other 6 be?!
Is it possible they're just messing with us and are planning to introduce 6 new characters? I don't think so.
How many Olympians are there? Maybe 6 duo keepsakes?
unkempt sleet
There are more Duo combos than there are gods, so it's unlikely
It's also possible they'll just edit the UI come 1.0 and they left the space there for the possible future
jolly viper
Anyone else wish we had a section in the codex for each god/weapon listing out their Boons/Upgrades and what requirements they might have? Don't say, necessarily, what each one is until you unlock it once. Just knowing the prerequisites would be enough.
narrow hemlock
its a frequently requested piece of feedback
jolly viper
Ah, so yes everyone wishes. Good. Are we all okay if I retroactively make my "Anyone else wish..." sarcastic?
rough token
@faint jackal from the pinned messages:
How We Process Feedback
We will routinely read all of the feedback posted here, and consider it as part of our short-term and long-term development plans, alongside other subjective and empirical data we’re always gathering about the game from players' experiences and our own.We may not act on all feedback for a variety of reasons. We will often implement solutions different from the ones proposed. We may not communicate that much around this process, to stay focused on development. We appreciate your understanding in this.
For feedback that generates a lot of engagement and discussion over time, if we don’t address it, we will strive to communicate around it so you know where we stand. More broadly, we will continue to evaluate this process and look for opportunities to improve it, alongside the game.
faint jackal
@rough token yeah, i know, but it would be nice to have at least a little list of what they consider or some reaction to it. There are posts that are repeated every week and always get overwhelmingly possitive +/- ratio 🙂
iron badge
yooo an interview was just released
between sakugabooru and spencer wan
owner of the new animation studio that did the recent animated trailer
this guy's pretty dope, supergiant got a really good group to make that trailer
fringe garnet
I want to see more animated Hades content for sure
patent topaz
Those empty spaces also hurt me, maybe they will cut them?
fringe garnet
Red Shade. Bouldy. New 1.0 character. I STILL THINK HADES WILL GIVE ONE.
Three more to cover.
I want to believe they will be filled instead of cut
patent topaz
And also yeah i want hades ovas
How about 4 episodes for four games?
fringe garnet
Sonic Mania Adventures style!
Hmmmm, this may get into spoiler territory so don't tell me if there is in-game content around this already, BUT
maybe there will be pairing keepsakes?
Reunite Orpheus and Eurydice, get a keepsake. Reunite Achilles and Patroclus, get a keepsake. Reunite ||Hades and Persephone,|| get a keepsake.
patent topaz
Yikes spoilers bro 😳
fringe garnet
i dont think i would consider any of what i wrote spoilers... happy to edit if folks disagree
i am purely speculating
patent topaz
|| also for A+P we already have a companion so mmh idk ||
rough token
@fringe garnet have you || reunited any of them ||?
fringe garnet
nope!
rough token
alright, that's what I thought
fringe garnet
well i guess that idea is shot lol
patent topaz
|| the name of Persephone and the fact that you can reunite the first two couples is spoiler ||
Aw crap i spoiled you || the companion || sorry
fringe garnet
it's ok, it's my own fault! i didn't know the latter two was possible
didn't think about the former but it makes sense!
patent topaz
What if the narrator gives you a keepsake 😳
void vigil
@faint jackal about your feedback, if you check #hades-patch-notes, the changes marked with the 
emote are all inspired by feedback from the community
patent topaz
|| i meant the fact that you can reunite the lovebirds is a spoiler... kinda. Maybe just the second pair? The first ones are there from the NN update so already oldish? ||
void vigil
Yes! It says so in game
rough token
somehow I never saw that lmao
patent topaz
Or maybe they meant something like a pinned, regularly updated post somewhere or a closed channel where they list ALL the feedback they used? All of it, without having to read all the patch notes. At least that's how i interpreted it? Maybe it's too much?
void vigil
Also, feedback used to be marked with emotes as the devs read it a long time ago, but they stopped doing that
#hades-feedback message
fringe garnet
okay i have another question
if my answer is a spoiler
tell me not to click lol
nectar-related ||i formed a bond with Charon. as far as i can tell, the only difference this has made is that there is a bit of additional flavor text on his keepsake, the hourglass.||
is that all it does? if it's not am i: A) missing something I already am getting from it (please tell me!) or B) I will discover an answer if I keep playing with things
rough token
(safe for you to click) || you are not missing anything ||
fringe garnet
excellent.
crude hazel
That's a lie.
rough token
huh?
crude hazel
You're missing out on ||a lot of HNNNGHGNHNH dialogue||
rough token
Mm, you're right
fringe garnet
that is a super important flag!! thank you
ok one more
keylocks on affection slots. are these locked by Early Access, and will become open in v1.0, or will story events remove them?
just wondering if i should continue perpetually hoarding a nectar to continue wooing Artemis
past mirage
A keyhole means story event locked, a clock means not in the game yet.
fringe garnet
ahhhhhh
helpful! thank you.
Greg has been playing Hades all day. Doesn't he have a job to do?!
||please note that this is a joke||
rough token
xD
terse geyser
The devs are as addicted as we are.
rough token
lol
narrow hemlock
re: earlier topic about devs and feedback, they have said they read everything in the feedback channel btw https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/693155381723136091
rough token
@muted lichen the #hades-feedback is not the place for clarifying that--and it's already been brought up here in discussion
muted lichen
my bad, sorry
rough token
thanks ^.^
muted lichen
deleted the post in feedback
rough token
had the right idea, no worries :3
dense lagoon
is the full game out or is it still in early access
rough token
this fall
fringe garnet
now does fall mean today? sep 22.? dec 21? who knows.
dense lagoon
i saw the switch announcement and idk whether to get it on pc or switch lo
played it a few months ago on my friends pc
oh so its launching soon huh
theres a release date or ?
fringe garnet
just "fall"
rough token
no specific date yet
dense lagoon
ah okay
fringe garnet
i am ready for it to launch though, asap
so i will do what i can to make that happen for you
dense lagoon
i wanted to play it on early access but i think waiting for the full is better
the game is satisying af 😩
fringe garnet
There are perks to playing it now
There is some dialogue that will be removed from the full, for instance
dense lagoon
wow rly ?
rough token
Did you || beat the final boss ||?
rough token
|| most of the dialogue that shows up after beating the final boss will be removed, as we understand it ||
rough token
to be clear
fringe garnet
also worth noting not just the first time, but on repeated attempts as well
rough token
I mean || the run ending dialogue ||
dense lagoon
wait the one that the narrator says ?