You get gems with gems doors, so why picking keys if you want to earn gems ?
#h1-discussion
cursive crater
steep mulch
doors give so little, that it is hardly worth it
cursive crater
What gives you the most ? (reward chests apart)
steep mulch
the simplest solution to scarcity of Gems is to simply make Titan Blood sell for 250 Gems trade permanent.
a lot of the "specials" offered by the Trader are pointless, anyway
cursive crater
But I need titan bloods for weapon tho
steep mulch
you will get plenty of blood from bounties, and you can also farm gold to buy extra Blood from Charon
crude hazel
I wouldn't mind disgorging some extra blood at this point.
steep mulch
im sitting on 60 Blood, and have nothing to upgrade, because all the stuff i want is already maxed
high island
The point isn't that you shouldn't take Gemstones if you want them, but that if you're farming Gemstones, you're farming, so you have no good reason to want to sell Huge Catch anyway.
cursive crater
Okey got it
short turret
A bit of weird question, I guess. Does unlocking the coffee table near Thanatos via Contractor decreases chances of Than being at the house? I could swear since I installed the bloody thing he's rarely there anymore.
fading gazelle
I feel that should make him appear more often
narrow hemlock
hot take but house cosmetics should just remain house cosmetics and not affect anything beyond aesthetic.
also missed the huge catch drama, just gonna say I skimmed through and the only thing I agree 100% at a glance is that huge catch absolutely should not be legendary
I don't feel like getting into anything else lol but while this is purely anecdotal on my part, it's nothing short of aggravating doing runs to prioritize it and either never seeing it, or not seeing it until too late in the run
that's an inherent risk to legendaries and that's cool, I don't have an issue with that, but huge catch isn't the same case bc you don't get it to complete your build or whatever, it's for farming.
tropic quiver
hot take but house cosmetics should just remain house cosmetics and not affect anything beyond aesthetic.
they affect other things?
narrow hemlock
They dont
narrow hemlock
someone asked if one of the thanatos cosmetics makes him appear less and someone else said they should make him appear more. my opinion is they should remain as is and not affect anything lol
it was a suggestion to make him appear more
not that they actually do
tropic quiver
i kinda wish cosmetics would cause more interactions
narrow hemlock
than does have his dry spells where he seems to not want to show up but if anything is ever added to alter his appearance rate, it shouldn't be through house cosmetics, is how I feel
void vigil
Some house cosmetics do have uses beyond being cosmetic, but none of them increase characters’ appearance rate as far as I know. That’s all tied to rng
narrow hemlock
yeah I don't want appearance rates ties to cosmetics
I want my decision for what cosmetics I buy and display to be based in what I like, not on what's going to affect my gameplay in a desired way, if that makes sense
wind nest
There’s a bat cage that you can interact with to get a full view of the chamber, to show off your cosmetic choices
void vigil
yeah, and there’s the scrying pool, fountain and aquarium that show some stats, but I think that’s it
Wait I forgot about the lyre.
rough token
but that's a different kinda thing
that's something the player interacts with
they were referring to cosmetics that passively affect the game
(I think)
marsh rivet
(I didn't even know you could get Huge Catch after the first time it was forced on you)
rough token
(oof)
marsh rivet
Oh wow lol, those are some pre-reqs lol. TIL
rough token
xD
marsh rivet
Does +20% mean that if the chance was 10% it is now 30%, or 12%
fringe osprey
It would go from 10% to 30%, it's not multiplicative
But IDR what the base chance is. It's like 1 or 5 or something.
marsh rivet
It's variable, at least anecdotally. Some rooms have a much better chance
fringe osprey
The math is not so straightforward as a flat percent chance tho
Otherwise you would occasionally have streaks of several rooms with fishing spots in a row
marsh rivet
That would be a travesty /s
rough token
truly
marsh rivet
The ecology of the underworld would never recover
fringe osprey
I've tried fishing for Huge Catch a few times while I was trying to earn gems to buy out the house contractor
rough token
:3
fringe osprey
But it's extremely inefficient. It feels like it's better to just go Egg and fish for +gems boons.
marsh rivet
I can see why the complaints happen for gem farming. If you can't get perfect catches in Styx it is... grindy
But if you can it's fairly trivial
fringe osprey
Farming gems never really bothered me much. There's so much story to discover in this game that it was never boring looking for them, but man
It really takes forever.
marsh rivet
Let's hope they never buff Fated Authority
fringe osprey
I really think you could double the gem rewards from every source in the game and it would still feel like too much of a grind.
marsh rivet
Idk with no effort whatsoever but getting a rare/legendary fish in Styx every time I'm pretty close to done.
That is so far from the truth for the Mirror though lol (if only if only Chaos)
fringe osprey
It just takes too much time for what it is, you know?
It's just cosmetics for the house. Why should it take eighty hours of grinding to get it.
marsh rivet
Idk, it's cosmetic, let it take forever, it makes gems always worth "something"
fringe osprey
But why should it take forever? What's the positive side of making a grind out of customizing something only you get to see?
marsh rivet
Because you can only pick 1 option out of each category and you don't NEED the cosmetic to continue playing
So you always get a sense of progression from seeing gems
fringe osprey
Okay, so if it doesn't matter, why not make it easier for the player to obtain? You have a better sense of progression from getting gems faster anyways.
marsh rivet
Look, I'm not disagreeing with you, i think 6 gems per room is hilariously out of whack, but I do think the gem upgrades should remain pricy
fringe osprey
I don't mind the price, I just mind how it takes a million years to buy it
marsh rivet
If anything have a couple that are FAR more expensive to give people something to grind for if they want it.
Diamond Encrusted Good Boy statue in the courtyard or something
high island
Why not give you all the cosmetics right away?
Because then there's nothing to look forward to when you're hundreds of hours into the game.
terse geyser
I want those fountains
fringe osprey
🙄 Come on, that's not what I'm suggesting at all.
The grind is arbitrarily hard without a good reason.
terse geyser
I wouldn't be playing if I couldn't grind for those fountains
marsh rivet
The good reason is that it doesn't affect the game play loop and it makes gems feel like they're worth something when you're 300 hours into the game
high island
Yeah.
It's literally there for people who put in hundreds of hours and would otherwise have nothing to look forward to.
This way I can do all the high heat I want and still have rewards to unlock (that don't affect gameplay).
fringe osprey
It's the same reason they changed the voidskate and other chaos fish drop rates. There does become a point where the grind is too onerous.
marsh rivet
And as much as I hate that Authority is worth 2.5 mirrors, I understand the reasoning for that as well
(same reasoning)
It's cosmetic if you only use Persuasion :3
high island
Fated Authority and Persuasion drastically change the gameplay, too. You have so much control over the run with that many rerolls right out of the gate. Which takes a lot of that high dynamic range in runs they're going for away.
So it makes sense to lock them away behind high Darkness requirements to not affect the core experience too much early on. Then by the time you've experimented with tons of builds already, you'll get all the rerolls to play with to try to optimize those builds you've come to like.
. . . except when you set your heat so high that those mirror talents are always turned off anyway lol.
sharp fossil
i'd never thought about it like that, and that's actually super smart
. . . except when you set your heat so high that those mirror talents are always turned off anyway lol.
rip
while i was trying to get 32 i actually forgot fate existed lol
high island
Did you make it?
marsh rivet
Yeah I like the design behind the Fated upgrades. And Authority serves as that thing that makes getting Darkness virtually always worth something.
sharp fossil
well, forgot starting with it existed anyway
yeah, eventually
now i dunno if i should push higher or not
high island
You should!
sharp fossil
seems like its gonna get exponentially harder lol
sharp fossil
just like
fringe osprey
As long as it's still fun, shoot for the moon.
marsh rivet
No, it gets soft multiplicatively harder
sharp fossil
straight to 40?
high island
Yes, straight to 40.
fading gazelle
40? Go 50
sharp fossil
okay
fading gazelle
That's when it gets slightly difficult
sharp fossil
oh no
tropic quiver
'slightly'
fading gazelle
40 heat is baby numbers dude
sharp fossil
help a slippery slope
fading gazelle
sharp fossil
i tried that once
asked my friends how much heat i should run
"all of it" they said
last time i do that
high island
So much big talk when there's only person here right now who actually did 50+.
fading gazelle
Good friends you have
sharp fossil
indeed lol
marsh rivet
40 is the line where it's pretty safe to say any aspect can do it, and not just in a theoretical sense.
fading gazelle
Ay I do 40+ heat so that counts
tropic quiver
is it even fun beyond 50
marsh rivet
"yes"
fringe osprey
It depends on what your definition of Fun is 😛
marsh rivet
It's a different kind of fun.
fading gazelle
No Yes
tropic quiver
Without a good seed I cant see myself enjoying 50+
fringe osprey
It is fun in that success is a rewarding experience, and if you enjoy struggling with difficult problems, it's fun
And if you like the core gameplay but HARDER, it's fun.
But it's a pretty subjective experience.
high island
@fading gazelle you just said 50 is when it gets slightly difficult, so how does 40+ count?
tropic quiver
at higher heat when all rng goes against you its painful
marsh rivet
Without a good seed I cant see myself enjoying 50+
@tropic quiver That's basically the 40 line I was referring to. I think every aspect can just play well blind up to around that point
marsh rivet
Obviously variable depending on aspect
tropic quiver
except hera
high island
Anyway, if you want to discuss high strategies and stuff, we have #h1-high-heat-strategies where we do that all the time.
fading gazelle
That's where the big bois/gurls hang out
tropic quiver
strategy: get a good seed
fading gazelle
Don't call me out like that
high island
I'm actually very petite, thank you very much.
fading gazelle
Lel soz
terse geyser
Your avatar ingame has humongous pecs, so you are a big boi
fringe osprey
Honestly, I don't think that Zag is particularly huge.
sharp fossil
yeah i mean
fringe osprey
He's got a good physique, but he needs to start lifting those weights in his room
sharp fossil
look at him compared to sisyphus
tropic quiver
look at dad
fringe osprey
Sisyphus is obviously juicing
marsh rivet
Look at Bouldy. He is just one giant pec
fading gazelle
Dad be THICC
high island
How do you know I didn't swap out Zag's model with Lady Aphrodite's in my game?
fringe osprey
What if Bouldy is actually just one giant Glute
terse geyser
whoa
fringe osprey
Gluteus MAXIMUS
terse geyser
How do you know I didn't swap out Zag's model with Lady Aphrodite's in my game?
@high island Your version of Hades is a lot less SFW then ours then
high island
How do you "start" lifting weights that only Heracles himself can lift?
marsh rivet
I didn't realize home girl was naked until like 100 hours in
fringe osprey
Start lifting smaller weights.
marsh rivet
I thought she was wearing some nifty pink dress thing
high island
@terse geyser that depends on your line of work. 
viral rover
With a pulley system
high island
But you said to start with the weights in his room.
viral rover
That's how
fringe osprey
I said he needs to start lifting them, not start off by lifting them 😛
marsh rivet
Then how did they get there 
viral rover
The entire House of Hades gets relocated to where the weights are already
fading gazelle
Magik
viral rover
Or a pulley system...
viral rover
Block and tackle can move a heack of a lot
fading gazelle
I'd still think you'd need more to lift weights only Heracles can lift
fringe osprey
What if they simply folded space so that the place those weights were and the place they are now was the same place, and then left them in Zag's room when they unfolded space
Thereby not technically moving them at all, but moving the space AROUND them
fading gazelle
Bruh
high island
So far "Heracles himself lifted them off-screen" and "the entire House of Hades was relocated to where the weights are already" are our best theories.
And now that third theory.
fading gazelle
I like the theory that the house was relocated lmao
terse geyser
that already happens every time Nyx goes for a walk
fringe osprey
Seems like a pretty good deal for only 140 gems tbh
Though, getting 140 gems and moving the entire house of hades probably take about the same amount of time 
marsh rivet
The Ship of Theseus
The Weights of Heracles: How much weight do you have to remove from them before it gets to a weight that a non-Heracles person can lift.
high island
Hard to say.
fringe osprey
What if they're actually not that heavy at all and they're just enchanted so that Heracles is the only one who can lift them?
fading gazelle
Nah
marsh rivet
Plot Twist: Zag is really just that lazy
high island
How much is ∞ – x, where x is less than ∞?
fading gazelle
OH SHOOT
fringe osprey
Infinity minus infinity is still infinity, so we're at an impasse.
fading gazelle
NEW ANNOUNCMENT
marsh rivet
Lol, speaking of the noclip
tropic quiver
even before 1.0 release?
fading gazelle
Imma watch this right now
high island
so we're at an impasse.
Exactly like trying to lift Heracles's weights.
fringe osprey
Unless you're Heracles
sharp fossil
The Ship of Theseus
The Weights of Heracles: How much weight do you have to remove from them before it gets to a weight that a non-Heracles person can lift.
mumble mumble thor's hammer mumble the hulk mumble mumble zero gravity mumble or something
terse geyser
there's no Dusa emote in the reactions 
rough token
apparently there's a reaction cap?!
fringe osprey
Zagreus on Escaping Hades: "I will literally fight anyone to the death multiple times for as long as it takes to escape from this place and find what I've been looking for all this time."
Zagreus on Lifting Something Heavy: "Ah geez, seems like a lot of work, no thanks."
high island
Most of the reaction emojis make no sense lol.
marsh rivet
Also Zag playing the harp. One pluck: "Lol nty"
sharp fossil
Zagreus on Escaping Hades: "I will literally fight anyone to the death multiple times for as long as it takes to escape from this place and find what I've been looking for all this time."
Zagreus on Lifting Something Heavy: "Ah geez, seems like a lot of work, no thanks."
mood
high island
That sounds like me. If I have no inherent motivation to do something, there's very little chance of me lifting a finger lol.
I should write that down. It'll be useful for future job applications.
terse geyser
moving heavy things is fun
sharp fossil
except instead of "escape from hell" its "play video games" and instead of "lift something heavy" its "not play video games"
fringe osprey
ngl, it feels pretty nice to lift heavy things and think "Wow, I can bench press a PERSON now"
marsh rivet
moving heavy things is fun
@terse geyser Yeah I like lifting weights. Though if my friend asks me to move I become disabled
oak plume
In your opinion which god gives the best boons?
fringe osprey
Right? Just because I like lifting weights doesn't mean I like lifting your dumb boxes and huge couches boo
sharp fossil
In your opinion which god gives the best boons?
bouldy
fringe osprey
@oak plume Athena. Because "No U" is the best defense.
high island
Yeah, I agree. I too lift many weights aaaall the time.
Like err.. my books to school.
terse geyser
ambiguity FTW every time
high island
Lady Aphrodite gives the best boons. 💗
marsh rivet
(it's pretty much objectively Athena if you want a real answer)
high island
Lady Nyx gives the second best boons.
fringe osprey
Ah, but is it objective? Which objective standard are you using to judge by?
terse geyser
Ah, but is it objective? Which objective standard are you using to judge by?
time spent invulnerable
high island
Lady Aphrodite is the Goddess of Love. Love conquers all. Therefore, Lady Aphrodite's boons are the best.
fringe osprey
I think that fun is the best standard to choose, and in that cases, Ares boons are the most fun.
sharp fossil
lady Aphrodite uses the power of love in the face like a freight train
the best way
terse geyser
🔫
fading gazelle
"Always has been love"
marsh rivet
(also if you're expecting non meme answers you may want to ask in #h1-builds-and-combat )
fringe osprey
She uses love like a ninja uses love. "I Love Killing!" -Ask A Ninja Lady Aphrodite
oak plume
I wanted meme answers Loving them so far
marsh rivet
then all is well
high island
I'm not even memeing.
fringe osprey
Humor trumps efficiency every time
oak plume
Clearly the best is dionysis, everyone ends up drunk
high island
Anything from Lady Aphrodite > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air > GGs.
fading gazelle
How dare you call me out like that
terse geyser
humor trumps efficiency, thus Drunken dash only runs are ideal
fading gazelle
Lighting rod is very viable (I'm sarcastic Lightning Rod is terrible)
high island
Or alternatively, Lightning Strike/Thunder Flourish > Lady Aphrodite's Aid > Smoldering Air > GGs.
viral rover
Re; is Zag lazy? I think no, Zag just focuses far more on whatever will annoy his dad the most; which is plundering, smashing and escaping the Underworld
fading gazelle
Bruh
fringe osprey
Zag isn't lazy, no. He's just your typical rebellious teenager who just happens to be a god.
high island
I'd take a Smoldering Air build on any heat over Deflect. It's just that at extreme heats with AP2, it's a lot easier to get Divine Strike, Flourish, or Dash than it is to get Smoldering Air.
oak plume
Zag definitely isn't lazy, he feeds the dog regularly
sharp fossil
ngl i have never missed petting the dog in nearly 200 hours of runs
fading gazelle
How dare you ignore our beloved Dusa's hard work 🔫
sharp fossil
its the law
winged bear
lazy people are some of the hardest working people in the world. they will move olypmia and gaia to avoid doing something they don't want to do
fringe osprey
Sounds like something a lazy person would say to make them feel better about being lazy 😛
fading gazelle
wheeze
high island
I don't know if you can call him a "typical rebellious teenager" for trying to escape an abusive father.
winged bear
how is Hades abusive?
fringe osprey
That's a bit of a conversation. Hard to really pin down exactly how abusive Hades is when you take into consideration we're talking about immortal greek gods and not people.
marsh rivet
There are some serious asterisks on that abusive claim. Hades doesn't actually have any power over Zag. He just blusters a lot
fringe osprey
But he's not a good guy.
terse geyser
Zag definitely started it
fringe osprey
Eh, I don't think he did.
rough token
we don't know that
fading gazelle
Oh god Nyann what have you done
You have initiated political debate
rough token
we don't know enough yet xD
fringe osprey
We need more info.
winged bear
I think if you look to Greek mythology, sure, there's a lot of nasty stuff... which the game has skirted around
fringe osprey
Hades and Zag both have complicated motivations, and there's a lot we don't know.
sharp fossil
i think we can all agree the real abuser is cerberus's leftmost head
fringe osprey
I kinda wonder what Zag's early childhood was like.
sharp fossil
stealing all the pets
high island
"If you try to leave, I'll have you killed," is most certainly abusive lol.
rough token
it's clearly painful
winged bear
in-game, there's a lot of hints that Hades is acting the way he does because a) he's a grump, b) he's compelled to, c) he is acting in Zagreus' interests, somehow
fringe osprey
Maybe it's the greek god equivalent of putting someone in time out.
marsh rivet
"If you try to leave, I'll have you killed," is most certainly abusive lol.
@high island Out of context maybe, but the Underworld would basically do that by itself anyway. And the concept of death in the Underworld is so different
fringe osprey
Not, like, defending Hades' actions, it's not like he isn't culpable here.
But it's complicated.
It's hard to talk about without just using huge blocks of Spoiler tags.
fading gazelle
Yeah I agree with you Nyann that some statements he says are definitely abusive in nature. But we're talking about greek gods here. A lot of our social constructs don't exactlty fit in here that well
marsh rivet
Hades definitely a dbag, but Zag is totally free to do whatever he wants and Dad barely has a snide remark to offer him for doing it.
fading gazelle
Like the concept of death
fading gazelle
Sure?
north lion
Hey guys, will the game be more expensive when it leaves early access or will the price stay the same?
rough token
same price
sharp fossil
they've said it'll stay the same
north lion
Cool, thanks for the answer!
tropic quiver
seeing them list things left to do on each noclip episode is both funny and sad
crisp dome
I really want to play this right now, but I also want to wait for 1.0 launch somehow. Played a bit a few months ago and missed like 2-3 great patches. I need to control myself.
tropic quiver
in the july interview greg said they're only weeks away from 1.0
i'd imagine using weeks at that point should be <2 months
viral rover
This time next year is also weeks away. 52 to be specific
solar scarab
swift socket
What about Apollo?
stable plinth
his quiver was hinted at
swift socket
whaaat? Are there still gods to meet? I was certain we'd have seen them all by now
stable plinth
an item is not a god
solar scarab
no new god as of right now
swift socket
but Im always exited at the possibility for more gameplay AND MORE DIALOGUE!
solar scarab
yeees more dialogue
swift socket
Wait so you mean a new weapon unlock?
stable plinth
there will be 1 more quest for each of the gods we allready have
but no new gods
a quiver could be an item
that boosts somthing
swift socket
ah okay, thats probably the least exiting option but yeah, most plausible.
crude hazel
I wouldn't expect more gods.
Not for the forseable future.
Except for one particular one that's been hinted at.
swift socket
For real though the thing I love about this game that most roguelites absolutely fails at is the huge amount of dialogue. I didn't start hearing things I thought might be repeats until later than run 50. Also I have not been keen enough to pick up on those hints 😮 (Unless you mean Persephone) so if not, dont spoil it for me 
stable plinth
You mean ||his mother?||
many gods and heros names are tossed around
but a really big pantheon game is not what Hades is.
solar scarab
debatable
crude hazel
Yeah AldoSama, that's the one.
stable plinth
well I was sure she will be at the pomegranate garden next to your room
also its very weird that the ||time line from the myth and the game is tots different ||
I dont know why ||Demeter didnt know she was in the underworld and I dont know for how many years its been winter then, Zeg is like old||
peak fern
I can’t wait until the art for the transition screen between areas is complete. I imagine it looking like how your wagon looks as it travels across gorgeous environment in Pyre. A small thing I know, but I love their art so much
stable plinth
I just want a skip for the transition screen
peak fern
I’d love to have Apollo, could have some good banter with Artemis too
Well I know there will probably be some transition at least to load in the next stage, but yeah I can understand why you’d want to skip it
narrow hemlock
what do you mean by complete
solar scarab
_ _
peak fern
I feel like they’re gonna embellish it some more. They don’t have to by any means, but like I said when I use the lookout points, I imagine the transition screen showing a big map of the whole underworld and showing your little raft floating you up to the next area; similar to how your wagon winds through the landscape in Pyre
It may never be a thing but the image leapt to my mind one day
narrow hemlock
ah. yeah i dont think they'll do too much more to it. the whole thing coloured looks nice though, would make a great print
smoky rune
Man this NoClip doc pt.5 is haunting
viral rover
Oh dear
fading gazelle
I am so happy that everyone at sgg was safe at home though
But I got SO pissed off that they took the instruments
smoky rune
Now the big worry are all the fires
fading gazelle
LIKE HOW DARE THEY
smoky rune
Yup the robber y was where it got me
Also Amir having to check in on his kid was the perfect way to end that one segment
fading gazelle
Lol yeah that was adorable
But it's exciting and sad to see that the journey is coming to an end
I'm so happy that I was able to be a part of Hades' early access
smoky rune
Also, Amir lives in the part of SF where I first lived as a child
Same here Not Volty
tropic quiver
6 gold from getting that titan blood and no tunnels left
and I'll get enough gold from side hustle next room...
crude hazel
Ouch.
coarse maple
Question for anyone who might have thoughts: I played Hades very early on in the Early Access, but burnt myself out pretty badly before they added in more little story scenarios and the like and updated character art/interactions. I have enough Darkness to buy all the ability upgrades, but was wondering if it was worth it for me to create a totally new game to play through Hades with now that so much has improved or if I should pick up my original playthrough and just keep working with that one.
terse geyser
Let us give
That is all.
@solar scarab Aim for the stars. Let us give
narrow hemlock
@coarse maple how long ago was "early on"
solar scarab
terse geyser
@brisk trail please only put one item of feedback in each post
magic pawn
apollo
brisk trail
@terse geyser That would take forever
narrow hemlock
sometimes people only agree with part of your post though, not the whole thing. so its recommended you separate different things
terse geyser
it would take forever and give SGG a much better gauge of community opinion
coarse maple
I picked up Hades right when early access opened, but burnt out just as the Winter update hit
I actually burnt out before that tbh, so there is a lot I know I never got
terse geyser
@coarse maple you would probably enjoy starting a new file
narrow hemlock
@coarse maple there's been a lot of content added in nighty night and blood price, a bunch of it is meant to be early game content as well. so ultimately it's up to you. you could wait for 1.0 and just start a new file
marsh rivet
I know several of us mentioned starting over in 1.0 too (particularly for Switch)
coarse maple
Yeah! I was interested in perhaps getting the switch version
brisk trail
I don't really care if they agree. I just want the devs to maybe read some of my points. I don't care what the community thinks. As it stands now everyone is really averse to implementing big changes and it gets downvoted into oblivion. @terse geyser
coarse maple
though I finally figured out I can hook a controller up to my PC and feel like that would have made the game a lot easier 😅
marsh rivet
(i know you can transfer the saves but I'd still like them to be separate for myself)
smoky rune
Also, seeing Amir so happy for the Nintendo Direct made my day
narrow hemlock
@brisk trail its literally part of the feedback guidelines https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/525022422546644992
4. Post one piece of feedback at a time. Provide context, though keep it concise.
brisk trail
If it gets deleted it gets deleted. I said my piece. It's disheartening if you want to give feedback and it gets voted down and there are so many pieces of feedback for me to give. @narrow hemlock
narrow hemlock
i dont really pay too much attention to the votes honestly.
a lot of it will be kneejerk reactions to things people personally like or dislike, im guilty of voting in such a manner myself
rough token
You've gotten, what, 5 votes at most so far? I wouldn't call that voted down
Still, I get your point, and it would take a while to post it all in little chunks
brisk trail
I wish I didn't care but it affects me whether I want it or not so for me this is the only way to get my complete feedback out there.
narrow hemlock
the devs do read every piece of feedback posted in that channel, theyve said as much multiple times. if you want them to see it, they will
also this is sure to come up later as more people check the noclip doc but the apollo's quiver title card isnt meant to reference anything specific to the game, i dont think. given the theme of the video is how the quarantine has affected the studio, and the fact that apollo was not only associated with medicine but could also bring plague with his arrows, i think the title card is mostly making a mytho reference to the pandemic and this aspect of apollo. supergiant confirmed just 5 days ago there are no further olympians coming https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1296239011397169152
brisk trail
Thank you for your words tatz. But as it stands I've said all I wanted to say and now I can kiss this very opinionated community goodbye.
smoky rune
@narrow hemlock that's what I figured. Were people reading into that? I figure the last character is Persephone right?
narrow hemlock
theres no one else it could feasibly be at this point
high island
Persephone isn't necessarily a "new" character. So it depends on how you interpret that.
smoky rune
but she hasn't been seen
high island
But ||heard||.
smoky rune
really? I may not have gotten there yet
narrow hemlock
i guess the definition of "new" in this case would be a character that is present and you can interact with
tulip ravine
I'm not sure how much harder it is to press the enter key when adding an item of feedback rather than shift/enter. I might agree with some of the feed back but I'm not going to thumb up an entire manifesto. It provides no actionable feedback that way.
rough token
(there's also a 2 minute slowdown between posts)
tulip ravine
Ah, so they're impatient
marsh rivet
Also some of the feedback was a highly subjective breakdown analysis of boons that really probably shouldn't be there.
Not to say that subjectivity is bad in a feedback context, but the tone used made it read objectively when it was not.
tulip ravine
Yeah I was gonna say, subjective feedback can be very valuable.
I have some issue with the Poms too where I struggle to know whether upgrades lead to notable improvements in ttk or what have you.
That may or may not be an issue that should be addressed, as many other players probably are more into doing the hard math
rough token
I actually agree with a decent bit of the feedback
But there're bits of it I also strongly disagree with
tulip ravine
Yeah, same, and they're all in the same post so
tropic quiver
the way it's phrased makes it seem like they dont really care about whether the game changes or not anyway
marsh rivet
Right, it seemed more like an editorial review than constructive feedback.
tropic quiver
feel bad for any dev reading that
marsh rivet
To be fair I feel bad for any dev tasked with reading the multiple thousands of feedback entries with the goal of organizing the chaos into something meaningful and actionable.
high island
They could just automatically filter it by which ones I upvoted and which ones I downvoted.
Just my unbiased take on how to do it.
Imo that has the best chance of leading to decisions I can agree with.
marsh rivet
Lol, that is one way to optimize, yes.
vast junco
just saw that rather abrasive wall of feedback and checked to see if it was being discussed here lol
really isn't even trying to come across as constructive at all
marsh rivet
(though real talk it does feel like a lot of the chronic armchair developers have that ego-centric view of the development world)
high island
Sometimes it's not the specific words that matter in a feedback but just the expression of how they feel about things.
marsh rivet
People who take it as a personal affront that a game dev would implement a feature that they wouldn't 100% endorse.
vast junco
quite a lot of players either in this server or otherwise (RoR2 for example) have trouble expressing their feedback in a way that's very useful to the devs at all, honestly. stemming from things similar to how you describe their view as ego-centric ledger
things like "add this, take this out, do this" rather than addressing how elements feel to them
high island
I do think that can be valuable. Might give them the right idea for something they also felt wasn't quite right but couldn't put their finger on.
Or something else they hadn't considered.
marsh rivet
There are appropriate times for "add this" or "take this out" feedback I think. But yeah lol, as a general rule of thumb, you should at least present a case that isn't "because I don't like it"
vast junco
player feedback isn't really to provide concrete solutions, though. the commanding tone of "you should do this" is a pretty limited perspective
high island
Often there are changes from community feedback that are pretty much exactly that, though.
vast junco
i wouldn't say very often, no. mostly it stems from how certain elements feel, how they are lacking and so on
marsh rivet
For instance, the general feedback of "Add chamber # to UI" is perfectly valid.
high island
It's as legit as explaining how something feels without providing any solution.
vast junco
explaining how something feels without a solution is perfectly valid feedback though
it is not the player's job to come up with direct solutions
high island
The point is that both are perfectly fine.
marsh rivet
People on average are terrible at coming up with solutions for complex issues. But they're really good at identifying the problems.
vast junco
this is why the majority of "do this" feedback entries are not useful, as they're coming entirely outside of a dev perspective
rough token
People on average are terrible at coming up with solutions for complex issues. But they're really good at identifying the problems.
@marsh rivet Me trying to design UI for my projects >.>
vast junco
if they're straightforward enough and obvious, then sure they're fine
like the chamber UI suggestion
high island
"Give us x" can also point to problems the person isn't really aware of.
vast junco
sure, in a roundabout fashion yes
high island
Like, the reason they want x might be that they're not getting y.
marsh rivet
Or worse, when they want x because they think it will fix their issue with y, but there isn't even a clear correlation between those two points.
vast junco
yep
marsh rivet
"I hate using the bow. Make it do more damage."
rough token
Oof
marsh rivet
But.... those aren't the same thing lol.
high island
I just very strongly disagree with the sentiment that that kind of feedback isn't valuable. Most of the feedback is very valuable.
vast junco
and addressing an issue like that as if it's as simple as that lol
high island
I mean, it can be as simple as that.
crude hazel
It's valuable, but it's phrased really unpleasantly.
vast junco
if someone fundamentally hates using the bow gameplay-wise, increasing the damage is not going to change how it plays, no
marsh rivet
I feel like I see a post like that though every week >_>
high island
Maybe they hate the bow because it doesn't do enough damage to feel satisfying.
crude hazel
Though I will say, the balance feedback from someone who admits they don't like the gameplay is suspect.
vast junco
then it would be helpful to word the feedback as such!
marsh rivet
Right ,but the constructive and accurate form of that argument is "I like using the bow, but I don't feel like it has the same damage returns with hammers and boons as other weapons with similar playstyles"
smoky rune
It's so funny because Coronacht was the weapon I was the least competent with, and now it's the most 🤷
marsh rivet
Because if you actually hate the weapon because it does too little damage, you probably aren't that invested in the weapon in and of itself lol, you're just looking for a damage number. So until it is literally the BEST weapon, you'll have the same complaint
nimble ocean
it's speed should also be considered
ruby sedge
high island
I don't really see the point in looking down on feedback that isn't phrased "the right way". The devs clearly value all the feedback they get and believe that all of it is valid.
marsh rivet
As a gaming community, and as like... functional members of a communicative society we should all strive towards constructive and actionable feedback.
steel flicker
Always keep in mind that the person giving any feedback just might happen to be 12 
rough token
I would agree with you, Ledger, except that some people might not know how else to phrase it, or they might think that what they suggest is the way to fix it. That doesn't make them right, but it also doesn't make them wrong
marsh rivet
I'll concede to that.
That's fair.
(though I don't think that was at play in that monumental wall of feedback salt)
rough token
That felt like a vent 
vast junco
yeah pretty much
nimble ocean
I just have a feeling that the word "feedback" was taken too literally
marsh rivet
Yeah, some people seem to think feedback is that horrible thing that happens when you put a mic against a speaker. But in words.
rough token
I don't follow?
past mirage
long, strenuous screeching
nimble ocean
like, a full feedback on all the game and even community?
past mirage
That aside, the feedback rule of "one at a time" was clearly not known to them.
marsh rivet
Right. In the most literal sense, "You suck" is feedback, but is it really?
nimble ocean
while we used to think feedback = suggestion
vast junco
one of the deleted chunks had a bit about how much they thought the music was mediocre because of its thematic direction. which is just, entirely unactionable since it's part of the game's core identity now
so being like "this music is bad" is just. unhelpful
nimble ocean
If one can prove sucking and provide some arguments, then yes
narrow hemlock
saying the music is mediocre is literally just a subjective personal opinion, that isnt feedback thats useful is any regard
marsh rivet
I don't think we think feedback = suggestion. Stuff like "I don't enjoy x" or "Y doesn't feel great to use." are still good feedback, but don't contain suggestions
nimble ocean
they may be wrong nevertheless
past mirage
Perhaps that was in the vein of a review, like on steam, which are often less to a certain form.
marsh rivet
Omg you're right it read like a Steam review lol
nimble ocean
that's more like it, yes
marsh rivet
All it's missing are the little checkboxes and scoring chart.
narrow hemlock
haha i was right! https://gyazo.com/2972b40fc23dc4f18a739f588a2d2bf0
thats good i like that reference
marsh rivet
What was the context?
vast junco
some people were thinking it had to do with apollo being added to the game in some form
narrow hemlock
the title card saying apollo's quiver, people were speculating it meant apollo's inclusion somehow, i posted earlier i thought it was probably a reference to apollo's aspect as a bringer of plagues
vast junco
which he is not
marsh rivet
oh lol
narrow hemlock
it didnt really hit me til i noted the video thumbnail with the text it's a pandemic and i made the connection there
marsh rivet
Did Wretched Thugs always have those luscious locks? Can't unsee
narrow hemlock
i think so 0:
past mirage
Both Thugs and Louts have really detailed hairstyles. Compare that with the Exalted bowlcuts. I feel like there is some moral message here.
Come to the dark side. We have WICKED style.
high island
So many ways to be wicked.
Now I want a Tartarus musical number.
We got all the ways to be
W.I.C.K.E.D. 🎵
marsh rivet
Lol, I do love the music in Hades but I felt like Bastion had far more jammable fight tracks.
high island
Zagreus after coming out of the river Styx: I am on my way, I can go the distance 🎵
Hades: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
fringe osprey
I love pretty much everything Darren Korb touches
marsh rivet
Oh I know right? I love arguments about which Darren songs are better. Everyone is right, everyone wins
fringe osprey
He's so good. He's so good. He's so good.
quaint wind
sgg games just have absolutely killer music
fringe osprey
Setting Sail, Coming Home is still one of my favorite pieces of music
quaint wind
oh same
fringe osprey
Bastion is, like, my favorite game ever.
narrow hemlock
darren may as well be deified, hope hes ready for his spot in olympus
marsh rivet
Found it, yeah. Holy cow I love Terminal March from Bastion.
quaint wind
oh that's really good too
narrow hemlock
i think i looped terminal march more than anything else on bastion ost
vast junco
Impossible is still one of my favorite final boss tracks of all time honestly
marsh rivet
Lmao right? It's also pretty hard to explain why I like the song to people who haven't listened to the OST or played the game
narrow hemlock
i find it harder to pick just any one fav for hades... i know some people feel hades music is weaker compared to other titles but i think its very appropriate for the mood it sets
marsh rivet
Music was pretty integral to the previous 2 games... like thematically speaking.
So i don't think those are fair comparisons. Hades uses music in a lot of the same way that Bastion did though. Plus the Orpheus and Eurydice bits, which are wonderful.
past mirage
I couldn't put my finger on what was strange about the music until I realized that the same track plays over the course of the biome and the track gets more complex over time. I found the soundtrack weak during the first few rooms of a biome, and it left less of an impact.
fringe osprey
Orpheus songs are my jam. God I love them
vast junco
hades' use of adaptive music to set the tone for individual chambers and moments throughout each biome is particularly masterful
narrow hemlock
oh yeah i agree. its not something you see a lot
marsh rivet
Yeah it's something I could only appreciate as much from listening to the OST, since I'm too busy trying to not die to really intake it during gameplay lol
past mirage
Oh, that too. The subtlety of the music is easily lost in the heat of the fight - quite similar to the scenery, in fact.
Sometimes I force myself to stop to look at the statues.
rough token
you could say
radiant harbor
the greatest ||friend|| in history
solar scarab
merry birch
remote lily
o.O
viral agate
oh I love these HADES emojis asdfasd
remote lily
its closed, its waiting for 1.0 release
merry birch
plush cave
i wonder if we are going to see something about hades on gamescom
vague frigate
am i imagining or did meg get harder in the blood price update, and EM minotaur and theseus?
vague frigate
theseus is ridiculous now, at 41 heat he just drops bombs everywhere, i have no safe space it feels
hes got a machine guns, he feels so much faster at dropping those bombs
flat vapor
EM furies got a buff in speed and damage i believe
vague frigate
that makes sense, they have been kicking my ass
does seeing Sisyphus or Euridice decrease my chances of seeing Patroclus, or the chance is always the same?
should i skip on a room for sisyphus for example to increase my chances of seeing patroclus later? or it doesn't matter?
crude hazel
Don't think it's related at all.
vague frigate
sometimes i feel when i skip sisyphus, i get euridice often. I'm just wondering if i start skipping eurodice as well, maybe i can get patroclus more
crude hazel
Confirmation bias probably.
vast junco
nah, there's even a "made friends along the way" victory title for seeing all three in a run that's not too uncommon
crude hazel
I regularily get all three.
vast junco
yeah, seeing the others doesn't affect their appearance rate
vague frigate
so just enter it if it's the best option, it won't increase my chances of anything. Thanks
i guess I'm back to dying at 41 heat, maybe ill get lucky
brisk trail
So, am I supposed to be booted back to the House of Hades even though when I last turned off the game I was way up in the Temple of Styx?
peak fern
It doesn’t let you quit that far in I think
I think if you get that far you have to either finish or give up
brisk trail
...well that's some BS.
peak fern
Or it may be that you already quit once. I know it only lets you do it once, then if you stop you automatically give up
brisk trail
No, that was a fresh run
obtuse crater
depends when and how you closed the game. like in the "final battle" if you just alt+f4 it will reset the whole run like it never happened. maybe to avoid exploits to reset the fight dunno. but if you press start and there is no way to go back to the menu you will have to keep playing or die
brisk trail
Why not just boot me back to the entrance, then?
obtuse crater
like i said, it depends. if you did it mid fight you won't get a second chance and i think is fair, you shoud not be exiting the game during a fight
brisk trail
But I didn't do it mid-fight, I hadn't even entered any of the caves.
kind shoal
I fell asleep while playing hades.... ._.
vast junco
relaxing underworld escape sim 🍵
warm tangle
are you able to gift ambrosia yet?
crude hazel
Yes.
warm tangle
hm i maxed hearts on a couple characters but i cant gift it
do i have to do something first?
narrow hemlock
most characters require you do something extra before their 
unlocks. depends on the character, the gods are fairly straight forward, the house residents require more of a lengthy quest
warm tangle
alright thnx
zinc valve
ok i know this isent really possible but what if after beating hades enought times you progressed the story enough for him to actually escape and have to fight a whole new set of enemies on a whole different stage
and it was like a progress reset but you keep some stuff and learn how to use new weapons and stuff
terse geyser
It doesn’t let you quit that far in I think
@peak fern This is very incorrect. You just can't quit in styx's main hub. any of the tunnels will let you quit if you haven't taken damage
flat vapor
you can quit every time your game saves, but before you take damage
peak fern
Okay, that explains it. Cause I tried quitting in the main hub but it wouldn’t let me, so I assumed it didn’t let you quit in the temple to encourage you to finish your run
knotty pier
Man for some reason the third floor just KILLS my runs
1st and 2nd i can get by barely taking any damage then comes the third floor and ill be dying 3 times in a single room
I think its a combination of the bow/arrow enemies, the big chariots that chase you and the butterfly balls that just fill the arena with super trackable attacks that just makes me constantly eat damage not to mention Theseus's spear where i can dodge and it will hit me
brazen delta
The butterfly enemies are probably my least favourite enemies in the game in terms of challenge, beside the lazer crystal snakes on Floor 4
Not saying they're bad enemies but they sure are annoying to deal with
knotty pier
i just dont get it how i can go for two floors barely taking damage to the third floor where i just get DUMPED on
brazen delta
I get what you mean
When using Thanatos's keepsake I can normally go many rooms without taking damage in the first two floors but it is nigh on impossible on the third
I think, personally, Floor 4 is easier than 3
brazen delta
I noticed recently that if you get any Poseidon knockback boon, plus his boon that causes a knockback when an enemy hits a wall, the fourth floor becomes a cakewalk
all the small rooms can be beaten in seconds because the enemies just bounce around the room willy nilly
topaz tusk
imagine designing theseus and minotaur and thinking theyre fun
winter stratus
Gotta say, Hades has really become one of my favorite roguelikes.
Having a story broken up into bitesize chunks with actual characters on top of a really solid gameplay loop.
Just gotta hold off until launch so I don't binge till burnout
topaz tusk
cant say i feel the same
been playing this game after months of not touching it and wow everything about elysium is not enjoyable
brazen delta
@winter stratus I know right? I'm addicted but I can't help but feel I might get to a point where I get bored of it prior to launch
I think Elysium is challenging, but I've started to manage figuring out the kinks of Theseus and The Minotaur
narrow hemlock
elysium fight is fun tho
brazen delta
just like how the final boss is difficult but I'm managing to get its pattern now
topaz tusk
they have such an immense health bar i just get impatient
brazen delta
I think you may have a point on the health bars maybe being about 10 or 15 percent too large
oh dear
winter stratus
I'm at like ~2-3 heat with most of the melee weapons.
I want to get the rest of the social interactions for the characters, but I know that more will come with launch
brazen delta
Yeah butterflies are a pain but that's the point, they're meant to distract you from other enemies
I get your meaning though
winter stratus
Though, I really despise the bow for the 'click and hold' gameplay.
topaz tusk
3 butterfly spawners just make the room a chore
brazen delta
@winter stratus I'm at a similar place. I'm playing by just going with whatever weapon has the Dark Thirst attached to it
narrow hemlock
elysium is also like. a big ole damage check area. if youre struggling through it your build is likely poor
topaz tusk
i love damage checks
winter stratus
Yeah. Have you taken to doing some gem/shadow runs.
I really enjoy the aspect of just blazing through low heat for rewards. Getting a chaos boon or poseiden for +rewards.
terse geyser
if your attack deals 333 doom damage elysium feels pretty all right lol
winter stratus
I got to +275% gems/darkness one run with a pair of chaos boons
winter stratus
Basically you do a heat level you've already beat, and go for Chaos early and you might get +rewards. Let's you get nice stuff in the house and mirror upgrades
brazen delta
I'm meaning to try and start doing some single-god runs a to try and get those Legendary boons
winter stratus
I really like it for the 50 gems turns into 5 keys into 1 nectar.
brazen delta
I'm glad for the amount of content even now. I'm nearly at the point of getting my first ambrosia gift
Sometimes it's annoying wanting to gift someone but have them just not show up in the House of Hades
Been a few times now where I haven't seen Thanatos outside of a run
narrow hemlock
thanatos generally doesnt appear unless you encounter him in a run iirc
narrow hemlock
I don't think so
I think you do have a higher chance to see her if you faced her but if I remember right she can still show up even if you fought her sisters
it's been a few weeks since I've actively played beyond verifying info so my memory is fuzzy lol but I think only than has a specific appearance rate
brazen delta
gotcha
even then, it's annoying when he shows up but is in a conversation with someone else so you can't gift
I wish you could gift even when people are in convos
brazen delta
yeee I do that, only got the ambrosia left now, it's just been a couple runs since I've seen him
Just me being impatient, that's it
narrow hemlock
idk if it ever got fixed since I finished my gifting in earlier updates but usually you had to gift first before initiating convo or you'd lose the gift chance on the field
narrow hemlock
well! that answers my wondering if that changed
brazen delta
It seems a little inconsistent, I haven't properly checked my facts here, but I think sometimes you can gift after talking to people in the House and sometimes you can't?
narrow hemlock
it's probably due to how he's set up in the field I suppose
I thought I remembered something in some patch notes about this but idk. most of my gifting has been long finished so idk what's up with that
I know I was usually in a habit of gifting first before doing any convo because of getting locked out of gifts afterward
brazen delta
I'm a recent player, I started a week ago but got 33 hours lmao
winter stratus
I think Meg only shows up for certain dialogues if you encountered her or one of her sisters in the previous run
Like she shows up suspiciously after to talk about Tis after you fight Tis.
narrow hemlock
some dialogues are tied to having specific encounter triggers so that sort of thing would just make sense
but I don't think she's limited like than is, I've exhausted dialogue and she'll still show on runs I don't face her
hm wiki says on encountered runs 
I could be misremembering, it's easier to encounter her in tart than it is to get thanatos to show up when you actually want him to. I can't check and verify rn at any rate
knotty pier
i finally cleared Elysium with only one death for some reason i couldn't switch to lucky tooth on the fourth floor
i died to hades, felt good having a spear with triple hold stab and at least 7 levels of posidon pushback
brazen delta
Does anyone have any tips for beating the secret boss?
Can you only fight him by accessing him from Tartarus? I gave it one attempt but at my power level it seemed insanely difficult
void vigil
You can fight him in any biome, but the fight has about a 20% chance to show up in each
brazen delta
Ahh I see
Does he improve with each biome? Like is he stronger if you fight him in Elysium as apposed to Tartarus?
void vigil
Nope
brazen delta
Nice, good to know
I've been avoiding buying anything in order to save up for the Titan Blood/Diamonds that appear in the Temple shop
I just finished the Noclip documentary, am I right in understanding that there are no plans for post-launch updates/DLC?
manic bobcat
Based on some QA and interviews, my interpretation is that yeah there are no plans for post-launch right now, but, that's because they literally did not think about that yet because all the focus is on 1.0. Once that's done, maybe some announcements will be made? Fingers crossed.
brazen delta
Totally get that, and wanting it to be complete
Honestly I've already got my money's worth easy
I just love the game so much it's impossible to not want more, and it's so open for expansion
The two closed doors in the House of Hades are very suss
manic bobcat
I think if Hades does well enough, there maybe a chance. SGG obviously doesn't often make DLC for their games. But Hades is a lot of "first" for them also.
brazen delta
Do we know how its success has fared compared to their previous games?
manic bobcat
Hades has accrued more total play time than any of the other titles they made and it's not even out of EA yet. Of course, roguelites are like that, endlessly replayable, but this is an EA title competing with several year old games. I think this is one of their more successful attempts.
brazen delta
I'd imagine just by its nature it'd be more successful than at least Transistor and Pyre
A more popular genre
Bastion is an off comparison as it was one of the indie pioneers
manic bobcat
I think Hades gained more popularity also, based on the various press reviews, or the fact that it was premiered as the first game in the Nintendo Indie Direct (?) stream not too long ago.
brazen delta
Indie World is how I found about it
I've been semi-distant from the indie game scene for a while though
manic bobcat
ah nice, I guess the trailers are working haha
brazen delta
honestly shocked I hadn't heard about if beforehand
it was p much an instant buy as I love roguelikes and greek mythology
shell vortex
I know it certainly got its hooks in me deeply. Switch news was a big deal to me too
I heard it would have cross-platform saves, not sure if that's true, but if so, big excited
manic bobcat
it's a good time to be a roguelike fan. many titles are out or in development (Curse of the Dead Gods, Risk of Rain 2, Rogue Legacy 2, etc.) but Hades is def one of the bigger ones. In my personal ranking, it's 2nd in popularity, behind RoR2.
Cross platform saves are confirmed, multiple times in fact, both in the trailer and by Greg himself in a recent QA.
shell vortex
I guess I don't play too many rogue likes, though I do play a lot of randomizers for Castlevania-and-related games
That's really cool
manic bobcat
I don't own a Switch but it seems like a good platform if I like indie games
maybe one day...
brazen delta
I know it's a big contention, but I personally prefer roguelites, like Hades, over roguelikes, like Spelunky. Having upgrades to unlock makes the whole game so much more entertaining to me, that sense of progression is vital
manic bobcat
I like Hades because of the dash. An old mechanic but it just feels so good.
brazen delta
best way to get me to care about a lightning status effect is to just call it a BOON OF ZEUS
then suddenly a lightning status effect is all I want
manic bobcat
back then the calls were named way more detailed
such as charm of the lovely goddess for Aphrodite or barbs of the master huntress for Artemis
manic bobcat
#hades-feedback is this way.
fading gazelle
Lmao I already feedbacked it a while back
manic bobcat
someone made the same suggestion before, but it doesn't hurt to double tap
aw
my turn then xD
fading gazelle
Lol yas
lunar sapphire
Using the timer pact, having a suboptimal build and then having to go through every. single. chamber in Styx is a special kind of fun
fading gazelle
Emphasis on the "kinda"
viral rover
Fun; Designed by Alecto
hexed smelt
vague perch
Which button was the bug report button again?
void vigil
F10
vague perch
Thanks
distant lotus
Is there a reason Skelly and Achilles haven't appeared for 3-5 runs straight with Zagreus saying nothing about it?
Because if that's RNG then that is some amazing form of luck
dawn rampart
holidays together
vague perch
lol
distant lotus
Wow
Achilles, I'm hurt
Gave him so many nectars and he goes away with Skelly ;-;
patent topaz
Imagine a buddy comedy with them, something like falcon and the winter soldier
fading gazelle
Is there a reason Skelly and Achilles haven't appeared for 3-5 runs straight with Zagreus saying nothing about it?
I've seen Achilles not appearing, but when has Skelly disappeared
distant lotus
I don't know
It was after I beat the final boss for the first time and they just didn't appear for a bit
Thought I was missing something
ionic blade
hey can i see my total run attempts ?
fading gazelle
Yes
daring haven
Yes
fading gazelle
I think you are really new aren't you?
ionic blade
meh i did pirate the game like a year ago but got the full game on my new pc so forgot about alot of stuff
just completed a run and wanted to know if i was sub 10
athena's deflect on attacks is a godsend. just deflect in general
fading gazelle
Well, you can buy the scrying pool from the house contractor for a small amount to see the total runs and enemies killed
daring haven
It should also tell you when you start the game up and choose your save file
sharp fossil
athena's deflect on attacks is a godsend.
literally, one might say
viral rover
Eyyy 
tight needle
Quick question as i've been getting a bunch of the announcement tags and watching the making of documentary stuff... is there a date for 1.0 yet? I'm not seeing anything in the other channels for it so far...
crude hazel
Fall 2020.
tight needle
Haven't played since last year, and at this point kinda waiting for 1.0 to get back into it, but i'm excited!
Ok so just general season and more specifics as we get closer. Good enough for now!
crude hazel
3ish months at most, not too long.
winter stratus
Does anyone go through their runs planning to play particular stuff, then when some other nice option comes along say to themselves something like:
"Friendship ended with Posiedon. Now Dionysus is my best friend"
slate jetty
Yeah, I take boon exchanges sometimes. They're especially tempting if it's a Heroic boon.
marsh rivet
The most common occurrence for me is "Hmm, maybe I'll take Zeus special to open me up for Smoldering Air"
Jolted, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt, and Zeus' Aid later: "I guess this is my life now."
terse geyser
I like going for a merciful end build and instead getting 416 damage doom ticks, with no merciful end
viral rover
Curse of Longing would be happy with that
winter stratus
I find myself avoiding any special strategy like the plague. Exagraph is the only weapon I ever both to special with.
I imagine if I started playing with a gamepad this might change
terse geyser
bow special with charged volley is a pretty good melee strat
viral rover
If only I could get it on Chiron aspect
late siren
it's been a lot of fun to play this game and reread the percy jackson series while in quarantine
winter stratus
Oh yeah, I did do a bow run where I got the special upgrade to make it do more damage
It was really cognitive weird playing a 'bow backstab' run.
got artemis' crit on special which let me just gib thigns for like 400-500 damage with lucky crits
fading gazelle
Proof that Artemis is best girl
dreamy crown
guys do you even lose runs by now or do you win everything
terse geyser
High level players lose when they do hard things and/or make stupid mistakes
terse geyser
no
giving up resets to the house of hades, does not count as a run
(unless it's the first run of a file)
terse geyser
right
dreamy crown
epic
thanks
what
ah wait
so does this mean that people just reset if they know that they ar going to die
terse geyser
some do, yeah
but not to keep the streak, it's to keep their seed
so they can start with the same boon and try again
terse geyser
lots of things during the run change your seed
terse geyser
right
terse geyser
but it's very hard to do everything exactly the same
terse geyser
same route, break the same pots and pillars, choose the same boons, cast the same, don't get screwed with by chaos, etc. etc.
There are a lot of things that change your seed
void vigil
@cyan moth please dont evade the swear filter!
crude hazel
Keep playing, invest in aspects.
ionic blade
aight
ionic blade
does switching the bonus on the mirror deactivate the other bonus or are they all active
crystal pecan
Can anyone tell me if Supergiant have provided details on how cross-save functionality will work with Switch/PC?
maiden copper
@ionic blade Switching the bonus deactiaves the other bonus
ionic blade
@ionic blade Switching the bonus deactiaves the other bonus
@maiden copper ty
feral haven
hey im not very active here, but i was wondering if there was a way to increase the odds to get ambush from chaos?
gusty slate
All RNG, mirror helps though
brisk trail
is it fall yet? lol
@feral haven gift chaos and he'll give you an egg, use that and you'll see chaos more often
brazen delta
You sure the egg affects his spawn rate? The description only describes it as making it more likely for him to give you rare boons/not taking damage when you visit him
brisk trail
@brazen delta Yes, i've noticed that the more i've used certain gifts from gods i started seeing em more, chaos egg saw more chaos
feral haven
ive been trying lol, i wasnt sure if there was another way
but ty your the suggestion lol
brazen delta
Fair! I know the reason the gods thing works is after you've picked up one boon from a god they are significantly more likely to appear again
So I'm not sure that has anything to do with the keepsake itself, just that it forces you to pick up one of their boons
feral haven
ah
yea, ive been playing the game for a hundred hours lol, i just wasnt sure about ambush lol
brazen delta
I believe unless you game it by swapping keepsakes between floors, you can only see five olympian gods in one run (four gods + hermes)
feral haven
i was starting to think it was just gone XD
brazen delta
oml I just spent several runs with the Guan Yu aspect completely forgetting the spin attack could heal you
deary me...
narrow hemlock
@brisk trail keepsakes do not affect spawn rates.
brisk trail
@narrow hemlock ah ok maybe i'am just lucky because it happens when I use it thanks for clearing that up
lofty karma
I just got through Elysium, getting only 2 boons, one of them from the shop
sick oak
why cant I give sisyphos nectar? giving boldie nectar is useless, so why can I always only talk to sisyphos? I need one more heart at him to get the big gift
unkempt sleet
If you already unlocked the heart, you need to give him Ambrosia.
unkempt sleet
Have you done his quest?
unkempt sleet
To complete the quest you need to get to the locked hearts on Nyx and access to the admin chambers
You should also get a prophecy about it
sick oak
admin chambers: the one with the working ghosts? I dont have acces to Hades room with the big door
unkempt sleet
Yeah the one with lots of scrolls
sick oak
So I have to give nyx nectar to complete the Quest?
unkempt sleet
Yeah
trail jasper
I'll def be getting Hades on Switch, and when the game inevitably arrives on GOG, I'll buy it there too.
knotty rose
Sorry if this has been asked a bunch but do we have a rough time to expect v1?
unkempt sleet
Fall 2020 is the only indication we have
trail jasper
So anytime from September 1-December 21
knotty rose
Cool cool thanks
viral rover
If I were a betting man, I'd say late October/early November. Out before the Christmas Sales, have at least all of September to get things finished and just enough time for a sudden major bug to make itself known
knotty rose
Imagine it suddenly becoming a full Halloween game
nimble ocean
that will be fun, though unlikely
knotty rose
Darkness becomes candy, skelly is a dad who's kid made him dress up, and Zag is getting too old for trick or treating but still does it dispite his dad's wishes
And the game ends with Zag finally getting to that house with full sized chocolate bars
steep mulch
i just hope the endgame is more than just one cutscene after beating the final boss
trail jasper
Hopefully there will be a GOG version out soon as well.
marsh rivet
i just hope the endgame is more than just one cutscene after beating the final boss
@steep mulch And if so, I hope it's skippable >_>
outer lagoon
hey guys just wanna ask can you give ambrosia to hypnos?
cause ive been tryna too but i cant and i cant give him anymore nectar
bleak glade
The game wont launch on epic games
it says running
and then it says launch again
any advice?
tropic quiver
hey guys just wanna ask can you give ambrosia to hypnos?
you can eventually, just keep talking to everyone
summer arrow
hey guys, does anybody know if supergiant talked about a posible selling of hade's artbook or something?
narrow hemlock
likely won't be discussed until after 1.0
random wave
Do you guys think if Hades will be again on sale at -20% before the launch or not?
high island
Yes, it will be on sale or not.
random wave
Do you guys think if Hades will be again on sale at -20% before the launch?
high island
No idea, unfortunately. I think their games are on sale pretty often, so it's possible.
terse geyser
@old coral because of how they do their animations, a new skin for zag would be a lot of work, and negatively impact the size and performance of the game. That's not worth it for a prize almost no one would ever see.
urban kestrel
Quick question guys. Been playing the game for a couple of weeks and have loved it, just beat it yesterday with the exagryph.. I started a new run with the aspect of Lucifer and got Demeter’s frost strike (chill and attack+) paired with Zeus lightning strike in Tartarus
I’m realizing now that I’ve come across a lot of strike boons that I can then pair with Zeus’ lightning strike for extra damage, but if I take Zeus’ strike first, it occupies my attack slot and can only be replaced with other strikes
Is this a bug?
high island
The only Strike boons you can "pair" with any others are from Master Chaos.
Well, and Swift Strike from Lord Hermes.
Those two are treated differently from the other gods you can encounter in a run.
Maybe you're thinking of Cold Fusion? That's a Duo Boon, though, not an Attack boon.
unkempt sleet
If you took two attack boons, then you exchanged the new for the old
urban kestrel
I guess? I was using only basic attacks while applying chill and jolted together, which activated the privileged status buff
It felt OP, but it wasn’t until I tried to get the combination again that I realized I was having trouble getting it to show up
crude hazel
Must have been a bug that let you get both of them then.
Or maybe you misunderstood some interaction.
But you can't combine two core attack boons.
unkempt sleet
What color did the beam take?
urban kestrel
Which is more likely, as I’ve only been playing for a couple of weeks. But I recall having lightning+ other attack boons before on other weapons, or so I thought.. almost as if it was working like artemis’ support fire
Ice blue
I should’ve recorded it, I died to the hydra, though, because I’d spent all my darkness on boon+ and epic+ mirror skills
So I had trouble surviving
cloud apex
I do feel like it actually was just dashes boons
Like, say, Zeus' lightning strike + Demeter's frost dash. That way you would indeed get Privileged status, and you only really use basic attack, since dash is too essential to movement and is seamless
unkempt sleet
Dashing directly into an enemy and shoot it, I like the strategy
urban kestrel
Yeah.. maybe it was just that. I’ll keep an eye out, thanks guys
While we’re on the topic of dashing.. if I’m holding the attack button and dashing, I don’t have invincibility frames, right?
rough token
Correct
sick oak
same
ruby light
do chaos gates count as a new room
like does it roll the next selection of doors, or maintain the selection before going into it
distant lotus
Yeah it's a new room
trail jasper
@bleak glade Try playing the game without the Epic Launcher.
night turret
Chaos rooms act a bit weird.
jolly viper
@ruby light new rooms with new doors, and I believe they also count towards the total number of rooms you go through in a run (based on experience.)
gusty slate
Chaos rooms only gave me a +1 on total if it was before the required pre-boss room
Chaos rooms are also nice because they give you an extra chance at the triple path, if you have room rerolls
fading edge
i don't think i've gotten most of the olympians' keepsakes but i have given achilles like 4 nectar so far so clearly i have my priorities in order
i just want him,, to be happy,,,,
gusty slate
I just want everyone to be happy 😦
native wave
:/
flat vapor
chaos gates/infernal gates will always take up a chamber, unless you take one before a pre-boss room, in which case they always spit you out into that pre-boss room
brazen delta
Quick question: is there a use for ambrosia beyond gifting it to each character once when you've got their affinity high enough? I've yet to give anyone ambrosia, but I am nearing 24 and I counted that there are only 24 giftable characters so I was just wondering if I should start trading them after that point
narrow hemlock
they're used for leveling specific items you can get from certain characters at high affinity
brazen delta
gotcha, cheers
It sure does take a long time to get people to open up to give ambrosia
winter stratus
I don't really want Hades to be happy.
quaint wind
valid
stiff summit
Is it just me or you get boons from more gods now? Before you can easily get through a run with just 2 gods
Now at the very least 3 show up in a run
brazen delta
Unless you game the system, you can see up to five gods (four gods + Hermes)
That doesn't include Chaos
It might seem like more cause Hermes can always show up no matter what
stiff summit
So four is absolute max for non-Hermes gods?
So cap for Family Favorite is 20%?
Or does it include hermes
brazen delta
You can game it by equipping different keepsakes between floors
Say, you've seen Ares, Aphrodite, Artemtis, and Zeus on the first floor
You can then equip Dionysus's keepsake
And Dionysus will replace one of them spawning
I'm not sure if Family Favourite includes Hermes but I'd bet it does
stiff summit
Is there a way to minimize my chance of seeing other gods? Like for example I just want to see zeus+1 more god
The entire run
brazen delta
If you equip Zeus's keepsake before you start your run, his boon will be the first you pick up
That ensures you'll see him for the rest
If you get a boon that changes your Attack, Special, Cast, or Call, that'll make him even more likely to appear again
I don't think there's a way to ENSURE you only see two gods, but equipping their Attack, Special, Cast, or Call boons makes it more likely
If you've fully upgraded the Mirror you can unlock the ability to sometimes change the gods you find too
With all those things combined you could probably make it through a whole run with only boons from one or two gods
stiff summit
Okay thanks. Coz I've been hunting for zeus legendary ever since and I still havent gotten it after 20+ clears already
brazen delta
I haven't gotten any legendaries yet but that's my strat for when I do start hunting them
I believe legendaries require specific boons too in case you didn't know
stiff summit
Yeah I keep those in mind but my RNG is just straight up bad. Only legendary I havent gotten, I even finished the duo boons quest first which shouldve been much harder...
brazen delta
Honestly I've never gotten a legendary but I have gotten probably around 20 duos
Maybe more
unkempt sleet
A way to get more of a god is to get fated authority. Rerolling gold laurel chambers may get you the god you're looking for.
Or an entirely different god.
Or a pom.
slate jetty
also miniboss rooms always offer boons (except in Styx), so they will always reroll into other boons
brazen delta
I've never rerolled in Styx, how does rerolling work there?
night turret
Yes, why wouldn't it?
viral rover
The same as normal, reroll into something else from the same pool that isn't already available
Only difference is that the Styx miniboss rooms can also be a Pin/obol/heart room for double the usual
cyan moth
Hey so i just bought the soundtrack and was wondering if there's a way to play it in game?
night turret
There is, you just need to buy music stand from contractor.
and then the songs separately
|| but let me tell ya prices... not the best||
fading edge
was having a pretty good run, dashed oob, tried to report it and now the game is black screened and i can't close it 😔
oh hey nvm all good!
viral rover
It's the licensing fees, Ma'Sair. Hades is very strict about copyright in the Underworld
night turret
Undead capitalists... Good Gods...
hallow spoke
does anyone know if hera will be in the game??
past mirage
She will very likely won't be. One character is to be added with the full release, and it's sort of obvious who it is.