So I'll call you N. Now
#h1-discussion
high island
Pros: I like Sandra and Lady Aphrodite a very unhealthy amount. (It's true love!)
Cons: I'm in high school, so I have like no time to actually do any work.
cursive crater
What do you mean by doing any work ?
High school good old time
high island
I mean, no time for PR work for SGG. 
Because I have homework and stuff. 
"Stuff" being more homework.
cursive crater
PR ? SGG ?
cursive crater
Ah. Well if you get hired you can stop doing homework
high island
No way, then I'll fail my classes.
cursive crater
I mean doesn't require that much homework, unless you're looking for big colleges
rough token
Depends a lot on the school/teachers xD
cursive crater
Unfortunately yes but it should depend of the student regarding his learning process. Because most of the time the work given is done by one student who then gives it to his friends
swift falcon
Hey I just had a thought, the game is translated into multiple languages, right? But that’s only text, yeah? I can’t imagine how expensive and tough it would be to do all the voice lines in different languages as well
There’s already a crazy amount just in English
cursive crater
Yeah the voice acting is in english
swift falcon
Got it
Guess that works, the voice acting is fantastic
Hopefully the translation is accurate enough that people don’t mind
nimble ocean
to find an actor with matching voice is already a challenge
and even with big titles it fails a lot
swift falcon
Just have the voice actors do it again in multiple languages 🤣
cursive crater
As in Overwatch
nimble ocean
well, in our country there are not that many voice actors, like, at all
you can hear same voices over and over in movies, games, etc
cursive crater
xD
swift falcon
Interesting
cursive crater
In France we have a lot of good voice actors
swift falcon
But people like you guys who understand English probably prefer to listen to things in English right? Or do you like dubs better?
Just curious
Does it depend on the thing?
nimble ocean
i don't really care most of the time, but my friend listens only to english when it's possible
some accents, some acting is impossible to translate sometimes, even when our actors are doing their best
swift falcon
Like if Hades had a version of VO specifically for your language, would you switch to that?
cursive crater
Some finds english voice acting better, some doesn't. I prefer french voice acting because it's more natural to listen (and as said we have talented voice actors). Excepts japanese anime, I just love the emotion they put in ahah
swift falcon
Ah I see
nimble ocean
my friend will not switch from english, 100%
cursive crater
So it's more a matter of taste and kind of elitism
like "yeah I can listen to the original and you can't you peasant" lol
nimble ocean
anime is even more complicated.. you have to use subtitles if you don't know the language.. and preferably english, bc in our language translators work also with english, and after two translations lots of details are lost
swift falcon
Interesting, I think it’s something as an American I don’t think about often, since so much content comes from our country I think of English as default
Like, supergiant games is just up in San Francisco
So close to me
cursive crater
I know there's a form of self satisfaction in listening the original english acting, what most of people in my country wouldn't understand porperly with all the different accents, fast speaking and typical english expressions
swift falcon
But I think when possible I want to hear the original language and just read subtitles
Do you understand it Vulcano? Do you catch all the nuances in Hades?
cursive crater
I do, not always tho. i'm more comfortable with writing comprehension than oral. But as the speeches are also written, I read instead of listening without even thinking about it x)
swift falcon
Ah, makes sense
nimble ocean
this is a good practice, if english is not a first language
swift falcon
Right, there’s a lot of text
nimble ocean
ofc, not as good as speaking with natives, but still
cursive crater
Like in a movie with english voice but french subtitles, i'd read the entiere movie and will not pay that much attention on what's being said. That's why i prefer french voice acting when possible, because it's more natural, you don't waste time reading or just listening to the original and not enjoying properly because of the concentration it takes
That being said, we french are known for being bad in english learning and that's true. I may be better than 70/80% of the french population but still not that good you know. There's some huge gap between the different level of english in our country.
swift falcon
Right
It’s funny because presumably all of these characters are speaking Greek to each other
And the game translates it into English for us
rough token
Yeah
cursive crater
Gods are understandable by everyone I guess
because they speak through your mind maybe
swift falcon
Where’s the original Greek voice over supergiant? I know you’re holding out on me!
😉
narrow hemlock
3k new voice lines in 1.0
I Am Looking
my daily check of the steam forum finally bears fruit
fading gazelle
👀
tawny light
I already have too many hours in this game
Supergiant needs to stop so I can do other things with life.
rough token
define "too many"
fading gazelle
That's a fair amount
remote lily
bro I have 310+ h and its half of all. As at the beginning the Epic store did not count them
too many is 2500h i played diablo3 haha
during 5y but still...
cursive crater
Waiting for diablo IV :3
karmic karma
i got 214h on this and still counting
nimble ocean
182 and i really feel that it's too little
need more time, more story, more gems
more renovations
rough token
I just hit 200 even
narrow hemlock
i should gem grind before 1.0 but also thinking about doing that has me like 
nimble ocean
yay, an anniversary
i still don't know what new stuff i've encountered lately was from Blood Price or Nighty Night
and will be lost completely after 1.0
narrow hemlock
depends on what it is.
high island
too many is 2500h i played diablo3 haha
I had 6k+ in one year of playing FFXI. Healthy times.
high island
Healthy times.
nimble ocean
that's dedication
lucid cargo
Holy heck that's twice what I did over three years on a different MMO
I am glad I no longer play MMO's
Hades is legit the perfect play session for me.
I can commit a good 30-45 minutes and be done.
cursive crater
Or play a 6 hours session straight lol
lucid cargo
Exactly! It's one or multiple runs and I know roughly how much time that will take.
cursive crater
Yeah
lucid cargo
Video game time management has become more important as I've gotten older.
cursive crater
I have problem with that when i'm on holydays ><
lucid cargo
You get the hang of managing it eventually, it just takes practice
cursive crater
I think it's a question of priorities, when I have "nothing" to do from my day I'll play way much than if i have work to do
But yes, i'm trying to be more aware of the time I spend on video games
But it's harder when I have a whole day at home
past mirage
The lockdown period has messed up my gaming management. I have racked up such a huge backlog from undisciplined spending that I am now jumping from game to game when I find the time. I am somehow unable to concentrate on a single one.
cursive crater
i usually have 2 or 3 at the same time to have variation
hoary marsh
I’ve had to really cut down on live service games to only a couple I enjoy the most, since they’re so time-demanding to get the most out of. Hades is pretty refreshing in that regard, being a PvE game you can play at your own pace.
rough token
Won't be one, sorry ^.^"
tropic quiver
5th zone would probably lengthen runs too much
stray knot
Ah dang
tropic quiver
I just hope EM4 will be really cool
tropic quiver
because i feel the final boss doesnt have cool enough moves given who he is
tropic quiver
:/
agile saddle
Isn't Styx a placeholder area?
tropic quiver
i just saw a lotta people talking about EM4 so i assumed we'd get it but yeah i havent seen the devs talk about it
agile saddle
Wow cause Styx is trash. Was hoping for a better final area and final boss
rough token
Ahh, || final boss' name is a spoiler || @stray knot
stray knot
Really? Huh, figured it would be sort of a given.
rough token
might be for some people
but isn't for everyone, and some people might not think about it too much
tropic quiver
surprises me to see that devs took inspiration from dead cells
stray knot
I see. Also, has the team said anything about post launch support for Hades?
rough token
as in, tech support?
stray knot
Cause I would totally buy DLC
stray knot
ah dang
stray knot
ah good to know
rough token
surprises me to see that devs took inspiration from dead cells
@tropic quiver what are you referring to, out of curiosity?
tropic quiver
they said it in the AMA?
stray knot
SG may only have four games but I'll be damned if they aren't four decisive gems. I haven't played pyre but it seems neat
rough token
ah, yes
stray knot
but Transistor, Bastion, Hades, amazing games.
rough token
ironically, I'm actually playing DC right now
stray knot
Lol
tropic quiver
it's a great game but i can barely see similarities other than the genre
cursive crater
Well the genre already gives similar bones I'd say ?
stray knot
Maybe he's comparing the cells mechanic to the heat mechanic?
cursive crater
Oh yes that could be it !
signal goblet
Hades & DC might not be too evidently parallel in their systems but DC/Isaac really put roguelites on the map for this generation. They could've been inspired by DC in the sense of just making a roguelite. Also Hades does innovate on some of DC's systems imo
Also a signature of DC is "tough but fair" which can definitely be said of Hades
brisk trail
Wait, what is EM4?
rough token
EM is something you unlock after beating the final boss
EM4 is something we've guessed will be included with the next update
brisk trail
I've already beat the final boss. I'm confused as to what it's an acronym for, though.
rough token
|| Extreme Measures, one of the Pact options ||
rough token
No worries ^.^
fossil tendon
Is there any updated news on a 1.0 date?
fossil tendon
Cool tahnks
rough token
o7
hollow heron
I just got an elysium with literally only gold doors
rough token
as in, all the way through?
hollow heron
yes
brisk trail
Omg, Dionysus is the best.
How do I put up the spoiler thing? 'Cause this might be a mild spoiler
brisk trail
||Test||
narrow hemlock
@rough token extreme, not emergency 
brisk trail
Aight nice, learned something new! Well, ||I really like how Dyonisus plans to prank Orpheus and how that's a little jab at how Zagreus and Dyonisus are names for 'the same' person or whatever in the original mythology||
crude hazel
There's no real reason to think EM4 will be a thing though, right?
narrow hemlock
dunno what else the boss variant could be besides em4, realistically. the only other boss is the optional
and em4 is a highly requested thing
i think it could be fun but also im very apprehensive about it lmao
crude hazel
Boss variant could mean a variant for the heroes fight.
|| Maybe Achilles and Patrocles ||
rough token
Yes, but I doubt it
crude hazel
Could be some less intensive variant too.
I wouldn't just assume EM4 is on the horizon yet.
It's already a pretty harsh fight.
narrow hemlock
it makes more sense than ||achilles fighting you||
wouldnt make sense to the narrative for that
crude hazel
Well like I said, there could be other variants. I was just spitballing.
Maybe they change up the Heroes in some other way.
narrow hemlock
thats fair but looking at our current selection of bosses and variants i just dont feasibly see another option that makes sense to gameplay and story
crude hazel
Give the chariot to Asterius 😄
narrow hemlock
though worth noting that i hope if there is an em4 tight deadline gets adjusted, it would really need to be in that case
narrow hemlock
no i straight up think if theres an em4 TD2 needs a time adjustment, theres already enough complaints that sack rng can ruin TD2 runs, adding em4 to bad sack rng is awful
crude hazel
I dunno.
Like... EM3 doesn't really make the heroes fight harder on TD.
It might even make it easier on TD.
narrow hemlock
its not about the difficulty itself but the time it takes
crude hazel
Yeah, but I'm saying the time that it takes doesn't have to increase.
EM3 might even make the fight faster. More lethal, but faster.
narrow hemlock
most people that run td2 dont like to run em3 with it because em3 is riskier with the deadline
crude hazel
So EM4 won't nececarily make the time limit more opressive.
Riskier, sure. But Theseus is way faster to damage in it, you have to agree.
narrow hemlock
i think its perfectly fair to reassess the timer
its a huge topic of debate as it is
crude hazel
I don't like sack RNG either.
But I think that should be adjusted EM4 or otherwise.
Rather than having any relation to it.
Just have each extra room add some extra time or something.
Or make TD2 lower the max amount of paths to 3.
narrow hemlock
a lot of the timer issues could be mitigated if time carried over, which is something i expected it to do anyway when i first ran it. but of course it doesnt do that, any free time you have leftover is lost between biomes.
tawny light
Greatshields are the worst at high heat
narrow hemlock
hilariously greatshields used to be worse than they are now
tawny light
how so?
crude hazel
Time carrying over would be wonderful and an easy fix.
narrow hemlock
they had less vulnerability time
tawny light
lol
narrow hemlock
i got to a point i avoided scorning athena in elysium purely for the risk of greatshields. now its not really that big of a deal anymore
i mean depending on pact anyway
tawny light
what does scorning Athena have to do with great shields
narrow hemlock
because her giving greatshields invulnerability when they already had so little vulnerability time made the room take forever
tawny light
ah
I had athena work out so that she kept the warrior soul safe like 4 times in a row
like bro
I know she mad but
just let me kill the last guy
narrow hemlock
she decided watching you squirm was more entertaining
tawny light
yeah, Hades pact of punishment stuff makes me laugh hard.
Its hard
but its also hilarious.
narrow hemlock
benefits package is one of those things thats fun until you get a horrible combo and then you're abruptly bricked in the face
crude hazel
Fast homing splitters in Asphodel is my bane.
tawny light
nah, all of those make me laugh
crude hazel
Just a wall of bullets.
tawny light
the witches just hitting you with the AK going a million miles an hour
teleporting flamewheels
warriors exploding like piñatas
narrow hemlock
popper rooms 😔
tawny light
is that what they're called?
rough token
yup
tawny light
forgot to leave a comment on feedback
narrow hemlock
the exploding eyes? yeah
tawny light
first time I saw that, I killed 3 warriors simultaneously in a small elysium room
suddenly all that part of the room was covered in explosies, literally said "oh 💩 " aloud.
😂
Had a Thanatos challenge in Asphodel where the big burly dudes had the perk that makes ghosts of them.
Whole room was SWOLE and shirtless.
must've been like 20+ shirtless ghosts just walking around.
narrow hemlock
stray knot
Gym bros unite
brisk trail
Which God/Goddess is the cutest?
tawny light
stray knot
xD
tawny light
only way too describe that room full of buff burly shades and their mirrors
stray knot
Cute: Arty Hot: Aphro/Athena.
tawny light
🤔
brisk trail
Arty is omega cute Imo. She would be the cuddle master
stray knot
No?
brisk trail
I find Demeter more attractive than Aphro
stray knot
Meg is best girl
tawny light
Meg is definitely best girl
brisk trail
You're a Tissy man I bet
tawny light
What's the name of the one that calls Zag "Trash God"
brisk trail
Alecto
tawny light
Yeaaaah
brisk trail
the edgy one
stray knot
Nah, those sharp teeth are to much, its reminds of Melina from MK
tawny light
I'd send a bottle service over if it wasn't for Meg
👀
Alecto got that spunk
She talks to much to be that much about it. Just trying to be a tough girl.
I see you, gurl, 👀
brisk trail
Itd be cute if you could choose which of the 3 furies you could got invested into
tawny light
the funniest path is Than
brisk trail
didnt know he had a path, I havnt seen him at home like at all. Unlucky I guess
tawny light
specially how ||| hella posters in the story and spoiler channel were afraid of having a fictious homosexual relationship|||
ah, if you haven't done it, don't click on that.
stray knot
But aren't Than and Zag half brothers?
narrow hemlock
no
tawny light
Think Than was already raised by the time Zag was born
stray knot
oh
tawny light
Nyx helped raise Zag though
tawny light
|||story wise Persephone leaves while Zag is still a child for w/e reason|||
|||Nyx helps Persephone escape, Nyx then raises Zag as she assumes Persephone would've.|||
rough token
Ah, I think that would count as a spoiler Toki ^.^" Might want to tag it
stray knot
man I'm so hype to get to the end of the game
Wow you are dedicated to that spolier hunting
tawny light
that wasn't much of a spoiler TBH, its story stuff you get told pretty early on IIRC
rough token
I guess? I want people to be able to discover the story of a game at their own pace
tawny light
but 270 hours and RNG dialogue
rough token
and yeah, that's why I wasn't sure
tawny light
who knows when I heard anything at this point.
rough token
xD
tawny light
RNG in this game feels like watching the movie Cube
they're all different rooms, but just a little bit different
and you aren't sure if you're going somewhere or went back to the same place.
stray knot
I mean there is some progression if you consistently give nectars
tawny light
Yeah, gotta get everybody drunk so they can loosen up and start talking.
brisk trail
jsut like real life
tawny light
Supergiant just hyping people up to go back to bars once CoVid is over.
stray knot
XD
tawny light
People are gonna try and pick up women Zagreus style and its just all going to be awkward
bring a bottle over
So what do you know about my mother?
👀
brisk trail
"Hey you wanna help me punch some ghosts in the face?"
tawny light
buy a doll two drinks
I know we have to fight if we meet outside, but just know it isn't personal.
brisk trail
I bet you have nice boons 😉
stray knot
It will also be cool once the end of the game is in, might just start a fresh file so I can get that special dialogue option when you beat the final boss.
tawny light
I wasn't sure if I was gonna start a new file
but I kinda wanna see if I can get a clear without the mirror active.
is there a special dialogue for leaving on the very first run?
tawny light
There may or may not be
stray knot
And not first run, just first clear
stray knot
as far as I know, no
I don't even know that its possible to clear first attempt, you'd have to be an absolute god
Having only one dash and starting health
and Zag sword
narrow hemlock
people have done it, it takes patience mostly
tawny light
yeah, bet it takes forever on Redacted.
Need to finish up all the weapons up to 20 heat and then probably give the game a rest.
go back to Wizard of Legend for a bit.
another equally as hype game.
narrow hemlock
generally the earliest suggested full run starts on like.. the 3rd iirc? because your very first run you're locked out of hammers and certain gods
stray knot
Ooh I've got WoL, haven't played it much though because I got back into Hades
And yeah your right Tatz, that's how they do Fresh File speedruns
get some darkness for dash and DD on the first two, and then hope you get a good hammer and Arty boons with sword and go ham
tawny light
I should try it right now, make some hot chocolate and get jiggy with it.
that's no fun, I need 1st run period.
stray knot
good luck man.
rough token
nice :D
brisk trail
is doing a fresh file run a thing?
stray knot
yeah, its a speedrun category, but Toki is trying to do first attempt
tawny light
I don't have any way of streaming it
picked athena dash, artemis on attack and then support fire so far.
rough token
good luck!
stray knot
oh well you basically win
tawny light
50 health is some ish
stray knot
yeah its reallll sketch
sharp fossil
try and get hermes
stray knot
You can't.
stray knot
I don't think you can get Heremes until like the 5th run
sharp fossil
yeah no you’re right
stray knot
he's locked out of most of the gods, but where there is a will there is a way
sharp fossil
has anyone done this before
tawny light
lol, regular attack is hella good on the very first run of the game
brisk trail
Arty is scary when shes angy
tawny light
alright,
I can do either Pom or Centaur heart on the first Asphodel choice
😮
so I'm either buffing attack or getting extra health?
Think I gotta take the health.
sharp fossil
i’d go health
yeah
I try to aim for ~200 going into the champions fight, and I feel like that’d be doubly true here
tawny light
miniboss fight
either Athena or Ares
Already have Artemis on attack, nothing on special, Artemis on cast and Athena on Dash
Doom might be good on special though
But it isn't like I'm touching that button all to often right now.
sharp fossil
ares special might be good
stray knot
Athena Call
sharp fossil
or athena call yeah
stray knot
you need all the I-frames you can get
tawny light
can I get call on the first run of the game?
stray knot
Ares it is
sharp fossil
i keep forgetting not everything’s unlocked lol
tawny light
NO
stray knot
you don't have PS so may as well get the exposed
stray knot
ACK
stray knot
gooood luck man
sharp fossil
no double dash hurts bad
stray knot
no kidding
sharp fossil
i can’t even imagine power couple without it
stray knot
I literally couldn't beat Hades with Ruthless Reflex without gettign a Hermes dash
sharp fossil
just trying to skip mini bosses in asphodel is probably the way
tho obviously that’s not always possible
I literally couldn't beat Hades with Ruthless Reflex without gettign a Hermes dash
same
tawny light
alright, second run on fresh file
sharp fossil
i turned it on for one run then noped out lol
tawny light
I can either get Dionisius or a Centaur heart
Dionisius doesn't feel good on first run
stray knot
I wanna compelte the Fated List challenge for using all mirror options. but man Ruthless feels bad
Its really hard to tell what constitues "Last momment" on a lot of attacks
sharp fossil
you don’t have to win with it to get the achievement, right?
Dionisius doesn't feel good on first run
agreed
stack those hearts
stray knot
there's no achievement I don't think, is there?
sharp fossil
oof
well, not technically an achievement i guess
the fated list prophecies are basically achievements with in game rewards tho
tawny light
I'll have personal satisfaction if I do it.
sharp fossil
i believe in you
ngl i’m kinda invested in this now
maybe i should try it myself...
paper coral
The Fated List gets you stuff
sharp fossil
i’m rubbish with sword tho
tawny light
Alright, run 3, forced into Dio
Special, after party (restores your health ti 30% after encounters are done)
Premium vintage: increases health on nectar pick ups
Think I gotta do premium vintage
sharp fossil
nectar is an oof tho
‘cause no level ups
it doesn’t literally nothing
or is that what you mean? make it actually do something if you’re forced into it?
fair
you don’t have to win with it to get the achievement, right?
okay looked this up, you do have to win with each one
that’s weird, cause i have unlocked that prophecy, but i swear i never won on single dash
probably got a hermes upgrade and then just forgot i took the dash alternate in the first place lol
sharp fossil
yeah it feels like every five seconds i think of another thing
it’s like
oh wait, no healing from darkness?
oh wait, no backstab?
nimble ocean
that's a shame voice chats are impossible to moderate.. I'd like to watch and cheer
sharp fossil
same yeah
nimble ocean
"voice hats".. T9, what's up with you
stray knot
ooh
But yeah, basically gotta do purple mirror and green mirror to complete that challenge
tawny light
Fun Fact: If you take premium vintage on the first run of the game from Dio, you can get your first keepsake from the jump.
😮
tawny light
OH SHI-
You can get Duo Boons on the first run of the game
😮
alright, that changes EVERYTHING about the very first run
sharp fossil
okay so what’re the best duos/legendaries to go for
actually, strike that, what gods are even in the first run
athena, artemis, ares apparently
and dio
are zeus and poseidon?
i guess not?
sharp fossil
i think i've heard before that there're only four unlocked
so its probably just those four
stray knot
nice
stray knot
its going to be pushed up to the limit with this challenge
tawny light
🤔
tawny light
looks like there is either going to be more traditional doing damage runs with Artemis
or really working the hit and run angles with Ares or Dio
but Ares can get you into the stack buff
stray knot
yeah, but you have to then play keep away while you wait for doom procs to go off
tawny light
or you can go more aggro to get stacks
gotta relearn all the boss fights to do them with one dash
stray knot
OOF
tawny light
the other tricky thing is that there's no backstab damage
stray knot
oh yeah that's right
tawny light
only way to do it is getting the exposed buff on Athena dash
terse geyser
You can get Duo Boons on the first run of the game
alright, that changes EVERYTHING about the very first run
@tawny light It's always been like that
First run actually has HUGE advantages over later runs, because you're guaranteed athena, and handed her legendary, along with merciful end and deadly reversal, on a silver platter
stray knot
Oh really?? I had no idea
tawny light
merciful end and deadly reversals are probably where you want to be at for redacted boss fight
Athena's legendary is kinda..eh
terse geyser
Athena's legendary is amazing
tank one hit every twenty seconds?
if you don't take damage very often, you just actually don't take damage any more
tawny light
🤷♂️
I haven't gone for Athena all that often in my runs
I like a lot of the other Gods better.
stray knot
one free hit plus if you can get her dash might be pretty hand since you can deflect basicaly everything
terse geyser
blood and mirror upgrades aren't all they're made out to be
the biggest advantage later runs have is the hammer system
stray knot
I mean I'm sure it helps
sharp fossil
and that's not even going into bosses with one dash
redacted is basically built with two dashes in mind imho
terse geyser
this is assuming you know how to play already
obviously a new player will need DDs
tawny light
you can do redacted with one dash
sharp fossil
sure you can
tawny light
gotta pay attention to what you're doing and ash properly
sharp fossil
but it hard
yeah, to be fair, paying attention to what i'm doing is a weak point of mine lol
i usually just muscle memory button mash and hope for the best
terse geyser
just walk for a moment before dashing
that way the endlag doesn't stop you within FBs hitbox
sharp fossil
i try, but its super inconsistent
terse geyser
i usually just muscle memory button mash and hope for the best
@sharp fossil don't do that
when you break whatever muscle memory habits you've formed, you'll start winning a lot more
sharp fossil
oof rip me
nimble ocean
i'll be honest, somehow boss attack timings in most souls-series games are much easier than that timing of that specific redacted attack
sharp fossil
you might be right
terse geyser
speaking from personal experience
nimble ocean
panic dash away, or die.. that's how it works for me
terse geyser
don't panic. run, then dash
peak fern
When I first started playing Hades it was on a crappy laptop and the bone hydra fight had so many particle effects the battle took 20 minutes and was in basically in PowerPoint
sharp fossil
how do you recommend going about doing that? just like, disable double dash?
peak fern
I never thought I’d be able to beat it at first
sharp fossil
panic dash away
this is a big hades mood
nimble ocean
however, in souls games you have multiple rolls.. stamina is the limit, and if you're not overencumbered, you're always ok..
sharp fossil
When I first started playing Hades it was on a crappy laptop and the bone hydra fight had so many particle effects the battle took 20 minutes and was in basically in PowerPoint
that is an inspiringly bad computer
i feel your pain tho; i only upgraded the beginning of this year
nimble ocean
on the other hand.. some games are easier with low fps
considering that all the calculations are as much slower
there were controversal statements about difficulty of certain games back when PAL and NTSC were a thing
nimble ocean
good luck
sharp fossil
this is gonna be embarrassing but yolo
alright meg, here we go
barge of death down, deadly reversal got
stray knot
nice
terse geyser
let's get that bread
how's your health?
terse geyser
do you have the core boons you want?
sharp fossil
should i go ares or centaur heart?
i got athena dash
i also got arty attack, not sure if that was the right call
dem crits helping a lot tho
terse geyser
not sure
usually you want to choose damage over health for that kind of run
for two reasons: dead enemies can't hurt you, and you have time to dodge around
but ares special isn't really great, and his cast is hard to use without building into it a lot
terse geyser
gl
sharp fossil
oh wow that was the room before the hydra
thought i still had loads of asphodel to go lol
welp, here we go
terse geyser
asphodel is super short
sharp fossil
lol
killed all its heads
last phase
1 hp
unsurprisingly that did not work out
sharp fossil
indeed
sadly rl calls rn
but this is kinda fun, change of pace from high heat
defs gonna be back
sharp fossil
lmao
terse geyser
the real challenge is a streak of two
I don't know good strats for the second run
nm lol just use shield
thank you Rinala / Hallowtide
peak fern
The spear is my favorite weapon; I feel like it’s got best versatility with range. And the spin attack’s AOE is insane
stray knot
I love the knuckles
peak fern
My favorite thing is getting a bunch of Athena boons and just spinning and deflecting everything
stray knot
XD lol.
terse geyser
assume you're trying to get a winstreak of 2 off of a new file. No deaths
you want shield in your second run
stray knot
Who needs Athena Call when you can just smack everything back. I call it the Baseball Bat Build
peak fern
Use the Arthur aspect with deflect attack to turn your special into baseball simulator
stray knot
oh really?
Will that work?
I think we are talking about two different things, we are just talking a general run, not a Fresh File
stray knot
I remember getting the Arthur aspect upgrade that makes the zone HUUUGE, that was fun
peak fern
Oh yeah
terse geyser
if you wait until 1.0 for first-runs you'll probably miss out
we've already lost Dual Shot 😢
peak fern
Oh I didn’t realize that
terse geyser
It's a very weak duo now
stray knot
oh
stray knot
but now its Arty Posidon right?
peak fern
I love Artemis but I don’t find her boons as powerful as most other gods
stray knot
I think she's really all about stack Crit boons together because I have had some insane Arty runs, crit is always good.
peak fern
I’d say Athena, Dionysus, and Poseidon are my favorite mechanically
stray knot
So one boon on its own isn't great, but getting Support Fire, PP, Hunters Mark, and daaaaaaang.
peak fern
Support fire is so good if you’re using something like the adamant rail or firsts.
stray knot
yeah rupture can be fun. I think people like Arty so much because Crits means more dmg=things die quicker=faster runs=not dying to TD
I had a fun LRail run with Dio last night, that was great.
peak fern
Poseidon’s call is my favorite, it’s so satisfying to fly around knocking everything around like a bowling ball
stray knot
Yeah its good times, I think my first FB kill was with his call and just rolling around at the speed of sound across the arena.
Hmm, that's something I haven't tried before, a call build
peak fern
I’ve had a few, where I had a bunch of boons that increased my god gauge.
If you do it with Athena’s call you never die
stray knot
Get Billowing, Quick Favor, Second Chance and a crap load of poms
And ride the wave into the sunset
terse geyser
and the zeus/aphro duo
stray knot
What's that?
terse geyser
for insanely fast calls
peak fern
Ares’ call has saved my life so many times
stray knot
Oh right, I know that one.
IDK I'm not sure if Z/A would be worth since you loose the extra dmg from greater calls
peak fern
Who has the worst call? Aphrodite’s seems underwhelming
stray knot
Either Aphro or Ares if we are talking boss fights, though Aphro's greater call is basically a nuke on a boss.
Ares is neat but becoming a beyblade ain't all that special when Athena's call does the same thing but lets you use all your other abilities while doing so
Dio is alright since the dmg for Hangover is usually like 15 or higher per tick when applied with the call
rough token
Aphro call with Smoldering Air is crazy good against bosses
stray knot
True
Just constantly smack them for 3000k dmg
Or wait, don't you need greater call for that to work?
peak fern
Night
buoyant frigate
I see a launch trailer has been released, but is there any new info on the full release date yet?
rough token
Just that it will be this Fall
buoyant frigate
Ok, thanks
rough token
o7
crude hazel
The release date was in the trailer too.
calm loom
now that i think about it , the cross save with the nintendo switch system will work with steam , epic or both?
rough token
@calm loom Because Hades on Epic and Steam uses the same file system, I imagine it would work with either one
calm loom
i hope so .Thanks for the answer @rough token 
rough token
Sure thing!
agile saddle
you cant backstab Lernie? hitting him in the back of the head doesn't say backstab
rough token
I think you can? Might be a narrow angle or something
Haven't paid attention to that recently xD
rough token
I believe!
gusty spoke
The game has not yet been fully translated into Spanish Hispanic people are looking forward to it 
Soy de argentina
españa
latinos
mexico
peru
chile
todos esperamos el juego traducido
crystal zinc
ok
tawny light
back to grinding this first run clear
onyx cape
am i the only one who hates hypersprint, its such a trap, makes me slide all over the place and ruins precision.
timid terrace
am i the only one who hates hypersprint, its such a trap, makes me slide all over the place and ruins precision.
@onyx cape i can relate
brisk trail
I just vanquished ||Lernie||
stable plinth
his extreme measures are for me thee worst I tend to dash into lava alot
gusty spoke
The game has not yet been fully translated into Spanish Hispanic people are looking forward to it
rough token
Don't need to repeat yourself @gusty spoke . If you'd like, you could help out in #hades-localization
quaint wind
i mean it's not even at 1.0, there might be a translation ready or it might come afterwards. just be patient, bringing it up multiple times isn't going to make it happen any faster
noble lagoon
When using Chiron aspect, does every arrow of the special trigger the sea storm boon for the poseidon special?
Same for the knockback, does every arrow apply the knockback?
rough token
I think Sea Storm has the 0.3 second internal cooldown, but each one should knockback
rough token
Sure thing!
brisk trail
Simple question - if I use Than's Keepsake but then replace it, do I lose the extra damage I gained before?
rough token
Yup
crude hazel
Yep. Same for Lambent Plume from Hermes.
brisk trail
Oof. I've been tricking myself all along
That makes those keepsakes less worth it then, no?
distant lotus
Keepsakes are still super useful though
brisk trail
Yea of course. I just thought these two were super strong in my ignorance.
rough token
Nah, || Zag does it just fine ||
brisk trail
Hah true
drowsy fable
My fastest run was with a relatively low % plume
maiden copper
Is the bonus damage from the aspect of Hades on Varatha supposed to apply to subsequent spins? When I apply the debuff and then spin again, my damage is unaffected but it applies properly to my other attacks
flat vapor
spin isn't counted in hades aspect's punishing sweep debuff
only attack, dash attack, and special
sweet vale
Hi folks, been playing Hades for a while but recently thought of streaming it over on DLive. I seem to have a compatibility problem with my streaming software however, which makes it difficult to stream: I'm using Streamlabs OBS and have the Game Capture source, which detects the executable automatically (Hades.exe), but it can't seem to capture the image from the game. When I look over in my preview window, it basically just shows me a black screen. Anyone familiar with this issue and how to fix it?
rough token
@sweet vale I've been having the same issue, though I think mine is on the OBS side since it's struggling to see anything at all. Haven't had a chance to look into it though. Might also be worth asking in #h1-tech-support
sweet vale
thanks, glad to see I'm not alone here. I haven't asked the devs at Streamlabs yet, might have to pop over at their discord later on. Didn't see the hades-tech-support chat, I'm pretty shortsighted, sorry. I'll leave them a copy of the message over there.
rough token
No worries! Might also be worth checking what some other Hades streamers use, like Wriste
sweet vale
I got to know Hades from Vinny at Vinesauce. He uses XSplit as streaming software though
rough token
Ah, yeah
dapper tulip
I don't know when the range indicators were added for the bonus damages (coronacht's point-blank shot, etc.)... but man is it a welcome addition. thanks
tepid plover
anyone know a friend or somebody that's been having problems with nvidia gpu crashing?
rough token
@tepid plover have you checked #h1-tech-fixes yet?
rough token
Sure, but their suggestions might help in general, iirc
tepid plover
I tried, but couldn't find anything there for gpu crashing
rough token
Moving to #off-topic-discussion since this isn't really about Hades
lofty karma
rough token
Hahaha
twilit sigil
Does anyone have any advice to get a lot of gems? the house upgrades NEVER END.
rough token
Fishing, Dark Thirst upgrade, Chaos Boons, buying them in Charon's shops and Wells
rough token
Sure thing xD
distant lotus
I've only ever caught gupps when fishing
rough token
Better reflexes do help you catch better fish :3
If you're using a keyboard, one trick is to use your other hand to cover up the float, so that you're not distracted by the false dips. Then just watch for the flash of light
distant lotus
Playing animal crossing has prepared me for the false dips
But otherwise I feel like I press e pretty damn quick
rough token
~0.32 seconds for a perfect catch :3
distant lotus
OK maybe not that quick lol
But definitely less than a second
Though considering what I'm talking about a second seems pretty slow
rough token
0.32 is the cutoff for a perfect chance (which is a chance to get a legendary fish)
0.64 is the cutoff for a chance at a rare fish
1.00 is the cutoff for getting anything
distant lotus
Damn I'm slower than I thought lol
cursive crater
Isn't such a little time a bit discriminating for some people ? So that they cannot experiment legendary fishes ?
rough token
A few suggestions for improvements have been brought up in #hades-feedback , such as increasing the odds of Legendary fish the more frequently players miss them
cursive crater
Seems like a good idea, this way better players can have it by "skill" when others can have it by trying
distant lotus
Yeah
high island
Well, 320 msec is well above average response time, and among gamers the average is even better. So I can see why they figured it would be fine.
distant lotus
Makes it so you know you'll get one eventually too
cursive crater
I can't agree that's fast
distant lotus
I've gotten 3 gupps in a row though, and I thought that was a pretty quick response time
Unless gupps are actually not common
cursive crater
I can't do perfect a 100%
they say "extraordinary catch" or something like that when you're below .32 sec
And there's a lot of people with disabilities or just not that fast reaction wise
rough token
"perfect catch"
cursive crater
Ty
steel flicker
There are fish beyond perfect catch? Wow
rough token
no
crude hazel
Perfect catch gives you a rare for sure, and sometimes a legendary.
rough token
5% chance of legendary
crude hazel
And that's the only way to get a legendary.
rough token
a "good" catch gives 5% chance of rare
cursive crater
Plus the older you get, the slower you get also lol
rough token
a regular catch is just common
crude hazel
(I feel like it might be more than 5%)
crude hazel
Are we sure it's still that?
slate jetty
definitely feels higher than 5%
crude hazel
I feel like I get legendaries way more often.
steel flicker
I have 4 locked entries for fish in the codex so I figured I just never managed to react fast enough
sharp fossil
I feel like I get legendaries way more often.
i’ve caught a bunch recently as well
maybe i’m just a better fisher tho idk
crude hazel
I get rares from non-perfect catches a decent chunk of the time too.
high island
Yeah that's the problem with averages, there will be outliers who just have seemingly no chance of making it or it's just waaay harder for them. I've posted some feedback on that, too.
sharp fossil
touché
high island
Differences in hardware have a big effect, too.
rough token
I have 4 locked entries for fish in the codex so I figured I just never managed to react fast enough
@steel flicker are some of those the first few entries?
sharp fossil
ohh yeah
rough token
They're from || Chaos ||
sharp fossil
my new keyboard prolly making fish catching easier lol
steel flicker
@rough token yes
cursive crater
Yes, i mean there's so much factors that could slow your reaction time that 0.32 is pretty above average imo
cursive crater
But at the end we all agree that there just need to be some accessibility option to fishing and problem solves
crude hazel
Add a God(ly) Fishing Mode toggle :3
sharp fossil
accessibility options are just generally a good idea tbh
cursive crater
Yes
high island
There's also an inverse problem of catching common fish being too hard if you have fast reactions.
crude hazel
That's less of a problem really.
cursive crater
You can slower it by will so it's not lol
crude hazel
Just take a beat longer to react.
high island
Lol it's not that easy.
rough token
it's a little annoying, actually
the only fish I have left is the common || chaos || fish
cursive crater
I'll probably play videogames when I'll be 70 so accessibility is key for me to still enjoy games ahah
crude hazel
I still need to get the legendary Chaos fish. That's my last one.
high island
I'm not saying it's a problem on the same level or whatever.
But it's another problem that results from the same mechanic.
crude hazel
The fishing minigame could absolutely stand to be overhauled entirely.
high island
Well, it was never meant to be a big part of the game.
Personally, I really just want a 1% chance or whatever low of catching a common fish with a perfect catch. And you could similarly add legendary fish to the pool for regular catches.
sharp fossil
yeah that's a good idea
crude hazel
That's kind of a big 'feels bad' moment for people who struggle to get perfect catches though.
steel flicker
Fishing from a boat with a net when
sharp fossil
its equally likely that they'll get a free legendary on a normal catch tho
more likely, really, since they'll get normal catches more often
crude hazel
Equally likely doesn't mean it'll happen though.
sharp fossil
its actually worse for people who consistently beat 0.32
crude hazel
Odds are, there will be a handful of players out there who have their first perfect catch be a common, and they'll feel horrible.
sharp fossil
i mean, sure, but after a few dozen runs the rng'll even out
crude hazel
Could be longer than that, at a 1% chance. Decent odds it will be.
sharp fossil
yeah idk how many catches there are in an average run
crude hazel
How about if a Perfect catch has a chance for 2 fish? With one being common and one being the normal roll?
That never feels bad.
high island
You could guarantee a rare+ for the first perfect catch if you really wanted to.
crude hazel
That still doesn't really solve the bad feeling moment for someone who struggles with the timing and gets a common before a legendary. Or just generally gets a common really.
steel flicker
They still get a fish tho
sharp fossil
atm those people are almost never getting legendary catches at all tho
statistically, this would be better for them
crude hazel
Statistically, both changes together would be better for them. But the change that adds a common to the perfect catch pool still doesn't. And if they're unlucky, it feels terrible. From a design standpoint, you don't want that sort of situation to be that likely.
sharp fossil
its a roguelike
high island
Atm, I almost never see common fish at all. I have to be dead tired or distracted or barely looking at the screen or something to not get a perfect catch.
sharp fossil
a 1% chance to be screwed over is good odds in this genre
crude hazel
And the number of people that are happy about the change to perfect catch in particular are a pretty small group.
steel flicker
At this point they might as well turn the whole affair into a sort of a slot machine with luck being a prevalent factor. This is the ultimate way of leveling the playing field for an arbitrary minigame.
crude hazel
Hades generally doesn't screw you over with RNG like that. Which I think is a good design element.
high island
The number of people who can not or barely ever get a perfect catch is also very small.
crude hazel
It's a pretty common complaint. It's more than the people who are incapable of catching common fish, and also still want them.
sharp fossil
Hades generally doesn't screw you over with RNG like that. Which I think is a good design element.
i mean, sure that's fair
it generally doesn't
would you say there's a 99% chance it won't?
because that's what this would be
crude hazel
Yeah, but you're opting into that for difficulty.
Otherwise, the only real RNG screw comes from just getting a mediocre array of boons.
sharp fossil
honestly i think the biggest cause for frustration in the fishing right now is actually lack of understanding how the mechanics work
for a long time, i was frustrated because even if i reacted really quickly, i seemed to barely ever get a legendary
because i didn't realise there was only a 5% chance of it, even on a perfect catch
steep mulch
for this fishing business, why not add an item from the Contractor. "Fishing Net", which makes it so that you always get a common fish, in addition to your regular catch? So a perfect catch gets you a common + rare/legendary? Common fish arent worth a lot anyways, so why not?
high island
It's more than the people who are incapable of catching common fish, and also still want them.
I really doubt that.
sharp fossil
and i thought i needed to be even faster
high island
There's no way you could back that up anyway. Both are fairly common complaints.
sharp fossil
but once i realised there was only a 5% chance, i was like "oh okay" and now i'm mostly fine with it
but it probs could be better
high island
And there's the fact that people don't like to seem to be "humblebragging" that they're too fast to catch common fish, so it's very likely underreported.
@steep mulch that's not a bad idea. Gives everyone a free common fish, they still need to catch the fish at all, of course. Plenty of ways to go about it.
steep mulch
ill put it into feedback
crude hazel
I did suggest that though.
sharp fossil
ill put it into feedback
i'd vote for it
crude hazel
I said a few minutes ago that a chance to catch a common fish in addition to the normal fish from Perfect Catch would be fine.
high island
I actually read it as "item from the well" instead of the contractor.
I think something you buy from the Well for that run would be better.
crude hazel
If it's coming from the well, it should honestly merge with the lure.
steep mulch
The Well is bloated with stuff as it is
crude hazel
Having two fishing items populating the well would be sort of bloating it.
high island
Or Huge Catch could give you that or something.
sharp fossil
huge catch could straight up give you fish, really
rough token
first you have to get Huge Catch
crude hazel
I don't think Huge Catch should just suddenly spawn fish. But I don't think it should exist the way it does anyway.
It should be a special keepsake or something.
crude hazel
Sea God's Lure. Poseidon could give it to you.
steep mulch
as part of his favor?
high island
I think it should be in the boon pool even if you don't have any other boon from him.
So you can in theory get it in chamber 1—just like the first time you get it.
past mirage
How about making the Chef Cook a full NPC, and make it his keepsake?
crude hazel
I think I'd like that even less. I don't want to run into Huge Catch in most runs.
Poseidon's boon pool already has a lot of stuff that doesn't tangibly affect the run.
past mirage
Demoting Huge Catch to Tier 2 could work, with Sunken Treasure/Ocean's Bounty as prerequisites.
I don't like him having two Legendaries. I wouldn't like any special treatment with two keepsakes, either.
steep mulch
Head Chef as NPC? that's interesting
crude hazel
I mean, lots of NPCs give something once you acquire their favor.
high island
I dunno. They could add 10 farming boons to his t1 pool, I'd still take his boons just for a chance at Poseidon's Aid lol.
crude hazel
Is it special treatment for Skelly to give you a companion with his favor?
past mirage
In a sense, yes. Those six companions are reserved for NPCs who are close friends.
That's not what I meant though. It would make no sense to me that any character would have two separate regular keepsakes to them.
sharp fossil
yeah agreed honestly
high island
Attack, Special, Dash, Cast would still have priority. So Huge Catch having a very low chance of appearing even without a prior boon from him wouldn't really affect things much.
crude hazel
It would add the possibility of an Ocean's Bounty, Sunken Treasure and Huge Catch screen.
high island
Sounds fun.
crude hazel
For some people sure.
high island
I'm not even sure it's possible to not see at least 1 priority boon if you have any free priority slots unless you reroll.
crude hazel
I've just worked in this field before, so I worry a lot about this sort of thing. Player psychology.
I don't know if making huge catch a regular boon adds enough fun for enough players compared to the lessened fun for others.
past mirage
Twice for me, and unsurprisingly, the second time was very late. Satyr Tunnel, I think.
Great.
crude hazel
For the people who -want- to see Huge Catch, it's absolutely not implemented well.
But most people generally don't want to see it, which is why it being a normal boon is sort of a problem to begin with.
(I'm somewhat assuming that most people don't want to see a pure meta farming boon during normal playthroughs of their roguelike, but I don't think that's a crazy assumption.)
past mirage
The keepsake solution is attractive. It's another thing you would want to bring to a farming run, together with the Coin Purse, and perhaps some hypothetical keepsake from the contractor.
crude hazel
Yup yup.
Besides, the value of huge catch goes way up if you get it early, and Legendary boons are pretty hard to get early.
high island
I'd say most people would be perfectly happy to see it.
crude hazel
Could try to poll players I guess! But I'd be surprised if most people playing through the game for the sake of the game care that much about fishing.
cursive crater
keepsakes for farming, i dig it
crude hazel
Like while they're trying to win for the first time, or clearing a higher heat challenge, it's a waste of a boon slot.
Other than for selling.
high island
Yeah I dunno it's a free 400-something gold even if you don't care for fishing. That's always worth it.
Casual players definitely care about getting more resources through fishing.
crude hazel
It's not really 'free 400' gold.
You have to get it, then find a purging pool, then have it show up there. If the boon was just magically replaced with 400, sure.
high island
Plenty of pools along the way.
crude hazel
Casual players care about more resources, but they're also trying to win their runs in theory.
rough token
Nyaanyaa, pools are absurdly rare >.>
crude hazel
Sorry, I just don't agree that it's as simple a thing as you say all in all!
high island
They're not rare. There's literally a pool after every biome.
rough token
other than those, I mean
high island
Still a good chance to see 1 in every biome.
cursive crater
But not to see the boon you want to sell among all you got
void vigil
i dont know about every player, but if i do farming runs i dont mind losing them as long as i achieve my goal. styx doesnt have gemstones, so i dont mind ending my run there after getting the fish. it all depends about the point of my run. of course i still like winning, but sometimes its not the point of the run
crude hazel
Which is why it would be better suited to a keepsake. If you want the run to be more farming oriented, you can and should be able to opt in.
Or even some mirror upgrade.
cursive crater
But ||Hades|| can give you a lot of obsidians so it' worth beating him still
Like he dropped around 700 obsidians
rough token
Ah, || boss name is a spoiler || @cursive crater
rough token
👍
high island
It's pretty easy to pick up rerolls and get to sell the boon you want. And even if you don't get to sell it, you'll have a better chance to get more resources that you can invest. It's in no way a loss.
Most casual streamers I see actively seek out Poseidon just for his farming boons.
cursive crater
I only have 1 reroll at the moment so i don't want to waste it on sale 😂
crude hazel
Could even be a keepsake from Hades. He -is- the god of wealth.
high island
You get more rerolls from picking up Chthonic Keys in your run.
cursive crater
yes but next to those keys there's more interesting things to pick up such as boons, obsidians or gems
high island
It's actually good strategy to use 1 to sell something for 400+ that you don't need.
void vigil
thats true about the boss, but im past the point i need to farm darkness except for fated authority. and itll take a while anyway.. i already have enough for 5 of them
gems are more important imo since it takes much longer. i wish it was easier to get them... theres so much to buy with them it seems never ending
high island
Well, if you're picking up things like gemstones over keys, you're skipping one of the most important tools in a run in order to farm gemstones, so . . . I don't see how taking Huge Catch would be bad if you're not prioritizing the run anyway.
crude hazel
I buy gems from wells all the time these days.
high island
And boons will never appear next to a Chthonic Key chamber. Boons are gold laurel rewards. Keys are blue laurel.
crude hazel
But I'm finally almost done with all the contractor stuff. All earned during my heat climb.