I've been enjoying the Eris playstyle though.
#h1-discussion
crude hazel
gusty slate
Feels more like a bolt action LOL
crude hazel
I'd assume that's the best way to play it with that.
Just shoot and reload right away.
gusty slate
It's pretty high damage though
I usually just spam specials so Eris or 4th aspect for me
crude hazel
It's more damage than the special, so that's something.
If I ever have enough blood, I might try it.
past mirage
To answer the above question: automatic reloading with Hestia will not give Empowered Shot.
gusty slate
Bow? Daedalus hand me my shotgun hammer...
wheat blaze
This is the second time this has happened, but my game crashed mid run. Had to alt f4 out, and I was the final boss. I return to the game, and the auto save takes me back to the outpost weapon room 😦
gusty slate
You haven't moved into any rooms yet?
You can salvage your save, uh the way is in #h1-tech-fixes
rough token
If Your Game Crashes and You Lose Progress
If something happens and you start the game and find your save data missing, chances are it can still be recovered. Please follow these steps:· Navigate to \Documents\Saved Games\Hades
· Rename Profile1.sav.bak to Profile1.sav (or Profile1_temp.sav.bak to Profile1.sav); this assumes you use Save Slot 1
· Then open the Play menu in-game and look for the save.
floral shore
So the best way to use it is to shoot and reload quickly?
Yes, it is kinda like a bow you don't have to charge.
crude hazel
I'll absolutely give it a shot. Once I have the blood for it.
I still need to upgrade so many things.
And this seems like it really wants max upgrades to be worth it.
wheat blaze
Also I accidentally traded my diamonds for ambrosia, I really needed 3 to open the records room 😦 is there anyway to get them back
I dont see a way to trade for diamonds at broker
rough token
there is one
crude hazel
He sometimes offers diamond trades.
rough token
not even sometimes, it's 10 nectar for 1 diamond
floral shore
Hestia is by now probably my favorite rail aspect. Took me a long, long, long while to warm up to it but man is it fun. And it smorcs.
wheat blaze
heartseeker feels like such a weak weapon, anything else seems way better
crude hazel
Really? It's my favorite weapon.
wheat blaze
even with perfect charges
floral shore
It's the one I struggle with the most myself, have to admit. Like, it works, it's just harder to get it going at pace than with other weapons.
crude hazel
I guess it's a playstyle thing.
I've found that for speed, it really helps to take dash strike boons.
From Chaos and Artemis.
And then you really just go to town really quickly.
crude hazel
I always focus Asterius first.
floral shore
Bull dies first.
crude hazel
You can just sort of hide behind the pillars and let Theseus plink at you ineffectually.
cloud apex
I prefer focusing asterius because in phase 2 he is less of a change than theseus
(also theseus shield bad)
floral shore
Theseus is mostly more of an annoyance than a real threat, it's Asterius that will cause the most havoc.
crude hazel
And I really don't want to deal with both a charging minotaur and whatever god shenanigans Theseus wants to hurl at me in his second phase at the same time.
So it's much simpler to kite around the edges and plink down Asterius while dodging spear tosses.
And then deal with the King.
lapis harbor
okay punchy punch +5 damage per hit +crit is pretty damn solid
got Theseus, on biome 4 for the first time
gusty slate
Nice!
lapis harbor
... this area is weird
I don't think I'm gonna make it 😢
I'll be abck to play it later haha
gusty slate
hah, you got this though!
cloud apex
Also the area for the most part shouldn't be as bad as the big bad guy himself
quaint bramble
That would depend on how rng decides to treat them lol
cloud apex
Well yeah true
There are some nasty minibosses there
gusty slate
I'm always surprised by how much damage the normal enemies do there
quaint bramble
Yea several of them feel harder to deal with than the final boss once you get used to its patterns. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some damage, animation, and interaction balancing in the final area for 1.0
floral shore
Tiny Vermin rearing it's ugly head.
quaint bramble
I actually don’t find that enemy too bad. Now ||giant satyr|| or ||dire snakestone|| on the other hand... so tankyyy
floral shore
I usually have a reaction to Tiny Vermin that's similar to Zag's.
gusty slate
I just pray it cozy ups near a pillar
past mirage
It doesn't scare me that much, but I am still at low heat.
tepid plover
Are survival encounters only in tartarus?
high island
I think so. I almost always play with Tight Deadline, so I don't really see them much at all.
narrow hemlock
i dont play with td and ive never seen them outside of tart :v
smoky rune
Could this game run on the Switch?
brisk trail
Maybe? It's not a super intensive game and the Switch isn't weak.
Once 1.0 hits additional platforms will be considered (if they're not being worked on right now for a multiplatform launch, but that's just speculation on my part).
Officially, it's "We'll talk about that after 1.0."
lapis harbor
do you always need to do two areas in the last biome?
brisk trail
At least, yes.
lapis harbor
oh. and it's a random number.,,?
smoky rune
Think they'll add seed inputs?
brisk trail
No idea, but the game's RNG changes wildly from chamber to chamber to seed inputs aren't as important as the routing that players do.
narrow hemlock
@lapis harbor at minimum you need to pass through at least 7 rooms for the sack, which is more than what one tunnel offers
lapis harbor
oh neat. got him
okay, so it can require 3 different rooms?
uhhh... or maybe I didn't got him...
I feel cheated haha
crude hazel
It can be in the last room too.
tepid plover
yeah is been in the last chamber for me
crude hazel
Just happened to me, yep. It's a bit annoying, but it's satyr life.
high island
Very.
lapis harbor
diamonds are weird.
tepid plover
yeah it helps with keys/darkness/gem gathering
lapis harbor
is boss4's second health bar as long as the first?
high island
@low fiber even uses the fishing rod in speedruns.
high island
(Not intentionally.)
dawn tiger
tbh I wish we had more stuff to spend diamonds on
crude hazel
The fishing rod makes poseidon happy.
tepid plover
^
crude hazel
And he's already a happy guy. It's fun to see it.
high island
You can spend your Diamonds on me.
dawn tiger
heroic AF tbh
dawn tiger
I have a few, but I still have zero Chaos Fish
high island
Please send me all your rl diamonds.
tepid plover
the legendary from chaos is ||voidskate|| right?
forest vector
Correcto
crude hazel
I think I've caught all the rare fish at least. So I might be doing something right.
forest vector
The common Chaos fish is the last one I need to catch lmao
tepid plover
yeah I just checked and I have all of them in my codex which means I've caught them all, right?
crude hazel
One day a legendary will grace my rod.
cloud apex
One day I'd get more fishes that aren't hellfish
brisk trail
Same Sebboi, and I just got a Skeletal Lure -> Chaos combo, and the regular Catch gave me another Projelly.
crude hazel
Too lucky?
cloud apex
Suffering from success
forest vector
😔
lapis harbor
what do I do with my Ambrosia?
tepid plover
gift it
narrow hemlock
theyre used later on with affinity.
tepid plover
and level up your ||companions||
narrow hemlock
first is nectar until you cant gift anymore, and when affinity unlocks you use ambrosia
cloud apex
Yeah
lapis harbor
oh goodness I'm not even close to being able to gift it haha
cloud apex
then keep cycling through dialogue until an obvious prompt
Also yeah early on it's pretty rough to do
crude hazel
I wouldn't worry about it too much.
lapis harbor
what's a good place to spend early Titan's Blood if I have no preferences iwth weapons so far?
brisk trail
Alternately, save up.
cloud apex
not blade one tho
lapis harbor
ugh. I hate mechanics like this one
I can pick a weapon and make all my runs with that weapon notably easier, but then all the others will feel crappy
crude hazel
Having the first level is usually the most important thing.
narrow hemlock
eh it didnt really bother me any but i p much ran my favoured weps for a bit and climbed heat on them and then branched out
its probbaly more of an issue if you decide to focus on it specifically and make it an issue tbh.
crude hazel
I'm still on Heat 3, but I'm rotating. I gave each weapon a decent aspect that I'm sticking to for now.
And I'll branch out more as I get blood.
crude hazel
Those last aspects tempt me so. But they're so pricey.
worthy egret
WHEEEEEEEEEE BULLRISH RIGHT INTO THE ENEMIES WHO CARES IM ON HEAT 4
lapis harbor
how high does heat go? no idea how it works at all
also I can't tell if bullrush is good haha
crude hazel
As high as you have points.
But you stop getting rewards after 20.
25 in hell mode.
crude hazel
So if you want an end point, 20 is probably a solid one.
lapis harbor
you have to restart to do Hell, right?
worthy egret
Or well choose a dif save slot
crude hazel
The only change is really minor. It just makes the early game harder.
cloud apex
Well, hell won't let you have more bounties, because it is automatic 5 heat at all times
gusty slate
Gotta get those Skelly Statues
crude hazel
Unless you really want to experience the game fresh, you don't need to do hellmode.
worthy egret
My highest heat is 11 at the moment i believe
lapis harbor
to go up a heat with a specific weapon you need to beat the game with that weapon? so heat 20 fully is 120 runs...?
crude hazel
Yup!
rough token
no, not quite
crude hazel
Plus one for beating the game without the pact.
rough token
you can beat a weapon on a given heat without having done previous heats
worthy egret
You can fight on higher heat, however you only get bounties for the one you are supposed to be beating
crude hazel
The bounty won't care though, right? Like you can crank it up to 10 heat right away, but it'll only count as heat 1 for the bounty. And then 2.
And so on.
gusty slate
Statement still sorta stands, no? The amount of runs is still quite high xD
worthy egret
Say you want to do heat 22 but only done heat 5 so far: the game will treat it as if youve done a heat 6
crude hazel
121 wins to get the full amount of loots.
cloud apex
126*
crude hazel
Oh wait, ye.
I was thinking you don't need to win on no heat with every weapon to start using the pact. But obviously there is still loot.
gusty slate
Precious loot, old man Hades is pretty rich
worthy egret
||Dad, its whocares pm! Time for your hourly blood drawing||
gusty slate
Isn't Zag the only one with ||redblood|| here?
crude hazel
||Dad too.||
worthy egret
Oddly enough the titan blood is red despite Meg||/Hades|| not having red blood
@crude hazel spoiler
||also i fought him today and it looked black||
crude hazel
||But when you kill him he gushes out red||
worthy egret
||isnt that styx||
crude hazel
||Maybe it's just the pool of Styx animation being reused, but I stand by it||
nimble ocean
||i don't think red in the death sequence is blood, it really looks like drowning in Styx||
crude hazel
||I always assumed it was sort of both.||
nimble ocean
||for Zag, yes||
worthy egret
Do you think Charon ever crashes into the lifeless Zag while traversing styx
Just silence and then BONK as his boat crashes into zag
gusty slate
Hitting a valuable customer... hmmm
crude hazel
||Who knows which side he gets the red blood from.||
rough token
guys, maybe just move to #h1-story-discussion
forest vector
Zag doesn't know
worthy egret
"Hrrrrrrh. Hrr hrr hmm." (who cares, he was already dead.)
worthy egret
Charon: hrrr?
Zag: oh no im fine im just meditating
worthy egret
I don't think that would work
Styx has a thing for pulling people down doesn't it
With all the hands and all
crude hazel
I mean even just swimming against a strong current is pretty impossible.
nimble ocean
also, there is a strong stream at the upper levels
worthy egret
Yeahh
nimble ocean
waters rushing down
crude hazel
Maybe if you surf on Poseidon's Call. Secret speedrun trick.
worthy egret
As strong as Zag is, i doubt he can swim up a waterfall
Does he even know how to swim actually
nimble ocean
Charon somehow can though
worthy egret
Since Styx just spews him out and i doubt he's conscious going downstream
nimble ocean
maybe he uses some sort of floodgate?
brisk trail
hrrrrrghhhh-o-mancy @worthy egret
worthy egret
The art of hitting thieves with an oar.
brisk trail
you take my stuff? that's a paddlin'
obtuse crater
some have said that you will keep your save on 1.0. and i honestly would like that, this game has a grind and starting again maybe would be fun for some but i'll preffer to keep my progress. but that makes me wonder, if we keep our saves how would we earn the steam achievments? because i'll doubt they unlock automatically if i have completed them in the EA. I was wondering how achievments would work in this case if there is no reset. how did that work on a game like dead cells? did they have a reset and had to start again to earn the achievments? what do you guys think?
tepid plover
Stairway chambers spawn after boss chambers, and separate two separate biomes. Stairway chambers will always contain a fountain which heals a percentage of your health. After using the fountain, a Well of Charon will unlock in the shop, as well as a Keepsake Cabinet, allowing you to swap to a different keepsake for the next biome. After upgrading "Urns of Lesser Value" from the House Contractor, the chamber is guaranteed to have three urns containing between 15 and 45 gold (depending on Urn Value upgrade level).
always????
what
rough token
Where is that from?
rough token
That looks like something that needs to be updated
tepid plover
yeah i dont always find urns in stairway chambers
still shard
It... it was beautiful 
https://media.giphy.com/media/Tj42MaXecZh9bCGLst/giphy.gif
lapis drift
Just wanted to let everyone know, this game is so good i bought it twice.
that is all
tepid plover
relatable
wheat blaze
On accident at the broker I traded diamonds for amborisa that I didn't need. I was holding out for 3 diamonds so I could build the archives, but now im back to zero.
I have beaten the game with most weapons on a regular run. For 1 heat bounties, I have done all the regular rewards all the way up to final boss, but have only killed final boss a few times with 1 heat bounties. So it seems all the easy diamonds are now out of reach.
Is there anyway I can try to target diamonds to more quickly gain back my lost collection?
rough token
(final boss is a spoiler in this channel @wheat blaze )
And to answer your question: other than raising the heat, farm nectar. Dionysus has a boon that gives you one free nectar, and then take Fated Authority to reroll Blue Laurel rooms into nectar.
tepid plover
does dashing reset the damage ramp from ||lucifer||?
rough token
Don't think so
wheat blaze
All of my bounties are 1 heat is there a way to get new rewards somehow ?
gusty slate
Have to clear 1 heat 😦
rough token
Beat higher heats, also please edit your original message
wheat blaze
I did
rough token
... You said the name twice
wheat blaze
The only option i see are 1 level heats, how do i get higher ones
rough token
You can combine heats
wheat blaze
The game gives me a warning saying no benefit raising heat over 1
gusty slate
- some more heat options, but you have to full clear to get new bounties
ow
a thumbs down xD
rough token
I missclicked!!
gusty slate
It was an emotional crit
brisk trail
did you not see the bar? @wheat blaze
lapis harbor
is there any reason to give any but the... special 6 more than 1 nectar?
brisk trail
there's a diminishing return, so typically no
but if you wanna fully commit for the meme
yes
wheat blaze
Yes i see the bar. 1 heat maxes it out and going past that the game warns me no benefit
rough token
Narrative reasons
brisk trail
yes, then beat it with 1 heat then
gusty slate
Gotta beat final boss person to get new bounties
wheat blaze
I have it didn't reset rewards
rough token
You can't get rewards for any higher heats until you clear at at least the lowest heat
brisk trail
you can't skip heat levels
or rather, you can, but you aint gonna get anything for it
rough token
So if you are at 1 heat, uncleared, you could play at any heat and get rewards for heat 1. Once you clear, now you can get rewards for heat 2, even if you're playing on heat 10
However, to reiterate my initial point, you can farm keys and nectar, and then exchange them
gusty slate
There's always the pricey shop in Styx too
zealous flax
the mini bosses in the temple of styx are easier than the final stage of the other pathways IMO
anyone else who feels the same?
rough token
Yup
wheat blaze
the little rat yah
does the distant memories relic (20% damage to distance foes bonus) work with spear?
not sure if thats enough distance
zealous flax
it does work with the special yes
hardy fjord
anyone know if twitch implementation is still being considered?
manic bobcat
what do you mean by that?
flat vapor
i assume ways for a twitch chat to interact with a streamer's run, stuff like changing room rewards, boss fights, upgrading enemies, etc
still warren
Hello, I'm not sure if this is a silly question but I usually love to 100% games to unlock achievements and I was wondering if the progress I make in the beta will count towards any achievements that would come when the final is released? If there's no answer to that it's fine but I was curious
still warren
Okay, thank you! 
rough token
o7
merry birch
wispy canopy
I think Extreme measures 3 asterius and Theseus fights needs a small nerf. it's just so so much to deal with. at least maybe a really obvious call-out audio cue when asterius does his mega spin? it has more range than a standard ruthless reflex dash, and there's no way to prevent the damage.
cloud apex
For the most part the only concern i have is theseus' bombs cues being quite unclear, if said bombs bounce off walls
Altho spin should have a cleaner opening too, yeah
gusty slate
The small window for wind-up makes fist much 😦
wispy canopy
yeah fists vs asterius is so so so risky.
fading gazelle
I just hate that Thesus does contact damage as well, makes dashing a huge pain if I just miss the timing by a bit
brisk trail
The bombs in general still warrant nerfing.
vital dragon
Interesting. I haven't exactly had these issues.
GRANTED, I don't do anything remotely close to heat 32
(like the highest I go is heat 20)
brisk trail
I think Asterius is in a fine place (though the spin could still use some toning down), but Theseus's bombs are the single nastiest attack in the game.
Yes, worse than anything the final boss has to offer.
vital dragon
Interesting. Were they changed or anything. I never had a problem with them.
flat vapor
big damage for no reason, unpredictable due to wall bounce
brisk trail
No, they've been problematic basically since day 1.
vital dragon
(MAYBE it has to do with the fact that I basically 100% take Broken Spearpoint to Elysium 1000000% of the time because that boss fight is impossible without it)
flat vapor
area denial on top of asterius's already massive hitboxes
brisk trail
Getting chunked by a bomb for a way too much of your health in a single blow works around Broken Spearpoint.
flat vapor
it's ok schpoon they buffed explosive upper and rocket bomb 
brisk trail
Nah, they nerfed Rocket Bomb, which it totally needed, 80 damage is perfect.
I have no idea why Explosive Upper was buffed.
flat vapor
did they? good
at this point i'm deliberately not taking explosive on dem fists so i can actually see some variety
still trying to get that 5x kinetic launcher
brisk trail
Rush Kick is actually quite good, if you can keep it from murdering you horribly.
If Kinetic Launcher's hitbox has been fixed, that is awesome.
Still wish it were piercing blasts, though.
Regular Malphon Special can multihit.
flat vapor
i got kinetic by anvil once, saw it can power shot, and vowed to find it on dem fists one day
brisk trail
Kinetic Launcher being single-hit-and-then-poofing really hurts its viability.
It is SO MUCH FUN.
flat vapor
i'm e x c i t e d
brisk trail
The phrase "hardened target" ceases to exist.
flat vapor
my next dark thirst is fists so i'm hoping this time
brisk trail
Only now you get ganked by [insert annoying enemy] Death Squads.
flat vapor
sgg let me clone hera on fists like i can on beowulf
vital dragon
I kinda don't want them to make the 4th aspect on Fists just another "cast build"
fading gazelle
I don't think they would
sharp parcel
I just saw a weird bug on a stream: after doing a health trove, the trove remained locked and activating it caused another wave of enemies to spawn.
The stream doesn't allow clips, unfortunately.
fading gazelle
Oh god that must have been pain
Did the value reset or did it just continue from where it dropped
uneven dagger
how much darkness do i need to unlock everything at the mirror?
solar coral
anyone know what the wr for this game is?
fading gazelle
There are different categories for the game
flat vapor
there's a high heat doc in #h1-high-heat-strategies
solar coral
figures
flat vapor
looks like
sharp parcel
the amount stayed the same after the first wave
uneven dagger
@fading gazelle damn 170K darkness? I have like 250 hours and only 49K darkness
i wasn't farming tho
fading gazelle
Lol most of them come from fated authority/persuasion
narrow hemlock
minus fated rolls its considerably less
uneven dagger
170K*
fading gazelle
I feel you lol
narrow hemlock
the fated rolls are more a darkness sink than anything
flat vapor
dark thirst, poseidon for sunken treasure and ocean's bounty, chaos for eclipse boons
uneven dagger
yeah, but even so the avarage run gives me like 2 to 3 k
considering that i only find 1 chaos boon
flat vapor
use heat levels you've already cleared
uneven dagger
yeah man i know :/
if i find more than 1 chaos boons i might get to 4-5k per run idk
but i really don't know if i should use the weapon that has "dark thrist" or just focus on one weapon and speedrun the runs
20% increased is not much compared to 180% from chaos and 60% from poseidon
sharp parcel
there's nothing else to it, really
flat vapor
aside from like, using fated to change things to darkness rooms lol
sharp parcel
Stacking Chaos' resource boon and replaying the same heat for boss darkness is the way to go. Only downside is how random Chaos is.
oh, and grabbing all troves
lapis harbor
Sisyphu's companion seems like the one most worth aiming for early, is that accurate?
also.. when do you use the uppercut? haha
floral shore
Yea, his is the most universally useful I'd say. He's one of only two that works against everything, and has a ton of utility.
These days I mostly use one of the damage ones, but his is still my most-used one by a country mile.
lapis harbor
nice. I guess I gotta fi8nd myself some Sisyphus!
I find the boss of biome 3 quite hard, is there any useful advice for me?
floral shore
Bull dies first, you can either dodge Theseus spear throw or hide behind a pillar to avoid being hit.
Try to have Asterius down before Theseus phases, as dealing with the spears, the god assists and a deranged cow with a giant axe can get hectic.
Also how much max health do you usually have when fighting them?
sharp parcel
personal rule is that you should be aiming at 200 HP when you enter Elysium, or at least have that by the time you get to the boss
floral shore
Yeah, I'd second that. Usually I try to get one centaur heart in Tartarus, one more (or two if possible) in Asphodel and then try to face Elysium boss with ~200 max health.
lapis harbor
haha, I haven't fully upgraded the health thing, but I got there at 200ish
I've taken them out once, it wasn't too bad but I find fighting Theseus alone extremely hectic with the shield, spins, and etc
(spins are the hardest thing to handle in this game)
floral shore
He only does his spin attack when you're close and will telegraph it fairly well usually.
high island
How much HP you want for the fight really depends on your pacts.
floral shore
For a starter who has yet to even see the final boss 200HP is a decent value to shoot for, I'd argue.
Gives you enough of a buffer to eat a couple of hits without sacrificing too much firepower.
lapis harbor
yeah.. I find "enough firepower" relatively tough
I lost to the surprise phase 2 on last boss the previous run 😛
keen talon
my first half dozen fights with the final boss ended in death to spin attacks that I didn't catch the telegraph for lmao
high island
Rule of thumb for me is if I get a common boon for my primary source of damage, which is normally either Attack or Special, I try to get 5 poms on it. Ideally some poms early in the run where I can guarantee it hits that boon.
keen talon
getting 5 poms without the mirror upgrades is kinda hard
brisk trail
Early Nectar is a good way to accrue levels.
lapis harbor
if you upgrade a higher level boon's rarity, does the whole thing upgrade?
oh? what do you do with early nectar? D:
floral shore
Yup, you keep the poms as if you took them on the new rarity.
floral shore
The nectar can get an upgrade from the housing contractor where picking it up gives you +1 level to a random boon, think you need to beat the final boss first though.
lapis harbor
oh yeahhhh, I've seen that but diamonds are... not the most common things
floral shore
For that thing to even be offered.
keen talon
yep
lapis harbor
just unlocked fishing B)
keen talon
final boss and then 5 diamonds if you beeline for it
high island
Diamonds only drop from boss 2.
keen talon
diamonds only drop from the broker
floral shore
And if you beeline it then I'd probably rather grab the key upgrade first.
lapis harbor
the key one does what again?
floral shore
Gives you additional charges of the final mirror talent when you pick up a key.
high island
Key upgrade isn't that great without Persuasion, to be honest. I went for that first on my Hell save, and I regret doing that.
lapis harbor
I don't think I'm close to finishing the mirror, I feel like I want my third Death Defy too
keen talon
option to kill the broker for loot but you have to fight hades with no boons and no weapon
floral shore
I ran Authority the entire time and it's either the best or the second best option. Nectar shows up too little to justify taking it first and gems is nice but kinda inconsequential.
high island
If you have the mirror unlocked far enough that you can switch the last talent to Persuasion, then key upgrade will be great.
floral shore
It's still a reroll. Less impact than on Persuasion, granted, but still awesome.
lapis harbor
I... have no idea what persuasion and authority are haha
keen talon
you have unlocked more mirror upgrades right?
lapis harbor
I think I spent 10 keys last time
high island
You'll find out when you get it. 
lapis harbor
are keys still useful after that?
keen talon
I love how out of the way we're going to be incredibly cryptic
high island
I still think Authority is awful and overrated.
keen talon
well you can trade them up to nectar and use them to reset darkness still
floral shore
I run Persuasion myself and it's better but Authority is still an extremely solid choice that helps you a ton. Nowhere near "awful" territory.
floral shore
It helps tremendously with forcing gods that you want to see. In any regular run you frequently encounter gods that you might not want, being able to roll them off and get the ones you want helps.
keen talon
does affinity with a god do anything beyond voice lines
high island
You'll be a better person.
keen talon
it's just an alternate version
high island
It's a mirror talent that's green.
keen talon
usually a sidegrade from the purple one
lapis harbor
how do you... get them
keen talon
click on the double arrow on the left side of the talents in the mirror
lapis harbor
they... basically all seem worse
lapis harbor
omg except the death defianceo ne
flat vapor
i should do an official write up on the mirror traits one day
floral shore
For the second one the green alternative is usually a lot better. The death defiance one is a bit iffy, as you're stuck with only one defiance on bosses when you likely want more, in particular for the final dude.
keen talon
at first I couldn't get past the furies without the purple dash talent and now I couldn't go without the green one
lapis harbor
+50% damage seems super good
is there like a cutscene and stuff when you unlock the green? honestly I misread more of these than I expected
keen talon
yeah, usually if you're using death defiance regularly your build probably isn't up to snuff for the bosses
floral shore
Nyx will tell you something about the mirror once you unlock them, I think.
flat vapor
if you were already a good bit into the game before the nighty night update, you'd probably already have them
but nyx would've told you
keen talon
^
sharp parcel
wait, you have to unlock the alt talents?
high island
If clearing is the issue, there's basically never a good reason to pick Ruthless Reflex over Greater Reflex.
keen talon
it's super early
flat vapor
yes
high island
I guess unless you're not good at i-framing attacks with dash. Then the Dodge chance would do more for you.
flat vapor
you only have the purple talents at first, but then nyx unlocks them
lapis harbor
If clearing is the issue, there's basically never a good reason to pick Ruthless Reflex over Greater Reflex.
@high island what do you mean?
high island
But then again, you have to evade an attack with Ruthless Reflex to trigger it, so . . .
Two dashes are just way safer than one dash.
lapis harbor
yeah, to be fair there are tons of attacks I suck at iframing (anything involving a stomp, lots of biome 2 stuff)
flat vapor
but then you don't get the shiny sparkles around zag on every near miss, nyaa!
how am i supposed to live without my shiny sparkles
lapis harbor
+50% damage sounds soooo gooooood though, I definitely find killing stuff very slow
high island
Well, living in the first place is how you live without your shiny sparkles.
keen talon
you probably need better boon picks then
high island
Dying with Shiny Sparkles is not fun.
keen talon
I don't really have a problem not dying with only one dash
although I haven't done anything beyond 6 heat
lapis harbor
I mean, I generally aim for a sort of synergistic strategy type thing, where possible... recently the shield toss has been doing lots for me haha
also I got the Demeter laser cannons which did well but made me panic haha
keen talon
there are times I've leaned harder than I should on the evasion from ruthless tho lol
high island
That's why I said when clearing is the issue. If you have difficulty beating whatever heat you're trying, Greater Reflex is really always the better choice.
lapis harbor
good to know, thanks 😄
high island
Ruthless Reflex with Greatest Reflex from Lord Hermes would be better, but that requires some luck to get that.
keen talon
how do evasion sources stack anyways
flat vapor
each source is checked individually
high island
I don't know if anyone's checked the code for that, honestly. Basically amounts to being multiplicative, it seems. Either that or there's a hard cap.
keen talon
if I have 15% dodge from zag fists, 50% from reflex, and 20% from hermes I have a 66% chance to dodge then?
flat vapor
basically multiplicative, yes
lapis harbor
Checked individually vs multiplicative hit chance are indistinguishable
high island
Yeah.
flat vapor
yes
high island
101% Dodge Chance makes Zagreus shift into another dimension.
lapis harbor
I still feel weird about titan’s blood btw. I’ve upgraded two of the zag weapons
keen talon
what about it
high island
It's Titan Blood. 
flat vapor
time to go to the hades modding server and ask for a 101% dodge chance mod
high island
Call it "Dodging 101".
flat vapor
Awful, i love it
keen talon
usually the zag aspect is just the obvious playstyle of the weapon but slightly improved while the other aspects open up alternate playstyles
not entirely sure why zag spear is all in on the special >.>
high island
Zagreus Aspects require 5 Titan Blood to max out. The others cost 15~16.
granite ether
2nd and 4th aspects cost 15, 3rd aspects costs 16 to max out
lapis harbor
Yeah... these things are crap design, same with the companions. Forcing you to go super hard on one thing removes all the fun of having multiple things... I guess the aspects are for super hardcore people
flat vapor
keen talon
it doesn't force you to go super hard into it
titan blood is waaay easier to get once you get to the point where you can clear the final boss semireliably
granite ether
there's also more than one way of getting titans blood
15 keys for 1 titan blood is a steal whenever it shows up at the exchange :3
keen talon
like it's an investment yeah but between being able to trade for it, buy it from charon, and get it from the pact, 15 is an investment, not an exorbitant amount
floral shore
Also going in with a lower ranked aspect hurts you on like one of them, otherwise the weapon just gets better, however miniscule.
keen talon
min ranked chiron is still usable
floral shore
Min ranked Chiron does basically nothing, except now your Special stinks even worse.
flat vapor
min chiron is basically a scuffed bow
keen talon
it's definitely a downgrade from no chiron, but bow special without high rank chiron is basically just "press Q to apply status curse" anyways
high island
You get 2 Titan Blood per clear as you go up in heat. So you can get Titan Blood pretty fast eventually.
floral shore
Yeah, with some basic compentency in all the weapons you can get any aspect you'd want ranked up, and probably also a chunk of them you don't really want.
flat vapor
it really isn't difficult to max out all aspects
flat vapor
waiting for fists's 4th
floral shore
Don't think so. Trade bait for the Broker I guess but once you run out of uses for the blood chances are you won't need much aside from Darkness and / or Gems anyway.
Yeah, keeping like 15 blood stockpiled for next patch isn't a bad idea.
flat vapor
but you'll only need 15 anyways, unless sgg pulls a fast one on us on v1.0
keen talon
considering that it's v1 I'd keep 30 just in case :p
floral shore
I have 22 or so currently, and still a fair amount of bounties to go. Think I'll be good.
keen talon
v1.0 good news: you found your mother
bad news: you need to post 100 blood for her bail
novel wasp
You need 100 blood for your mother's divorce paper
rough token
@tame torrent what do you mean? (from #hades-feedback )
stable furnace
What engine is the game based on?
floral shore
If you haven't unlocked the final mirror upgrade, beat the game and then get the key upgrade from the contractor the game will default to Authority any time you pick up a key.
rough token
even if you then later unlock and switch the mirror upgrade? also I didn't think you could even get the key upgrade until you got that mirror upgrade
floral shore
I think later on if you unlock it it works normally.
Fairly certain I had the upgrade before I got the mirror talent.
crude hazel
Just 1.
And it still went right for my Duo boon.
Ares/Dionysus carnage could have been mine ;-;
AND AGAIN
AAAH
Never ever again.
floral shore
Approval Process can be kinda fun in that it forces you to make do with what you get but it can hurt you so much.
crude hazel
But part of the fun of the game is figuring out which builds to make.
Rather than just getting stuff.
It's like the debuff that prevented you from swapping abilities in Transistor. Experimenting is FUN.
Dang it all.
floral shore
I'd usually just avoid AP unless necessary, the 2 heat can mostly be made up by other pact choices that give you a more reliable drawback.
crude hazel
I'll suffer more damage any day.
I'm just trying to get it checked off my prophecy list. And then never again.
The one that forces me to erase boons is going to make me sad as well, I can feel it in my bones.
floral shore
It's how I got that prophecy. Had like six pacts I never used and just went on two runs with three each active.
Underworld Customs actually isn't that bad, in particular if you run Fated Authority. On most runs you get like two boons you like in Tartarus, and one you're kinda like "eh whatever" about.
crude hazel
Yeah. Either way, I still won. Even was comfortable enough to buy a diamond from Charon at the end.
crude hazel
Ok, got a really nice setup. Underworld Customs, please cooperate.
Ugh. I hate it. My attack speed.
high island
I'd much rather have Fated Persuasion for Underworld Customs, so I can reroll if necessary.
floral shore
Did I say Authority?
I meant Persuasion, obviously. The one that lets you reroll it. Authority doesn't do anything for the Customs.
Shame on me.
high island
It does indirectly because you can potentially get more boons with it.
floral shore
Yeah, true. I'd rather have the Persuasion though, it's better to begin with and helps avoid getting stuck with your three central boons as options.
high island
Honestly, I almost always end up with a lot of unused rerolls with Authority because all the gold laurel rewards are very valuable, so I never really see any need to reroll any of them.
floral shore
I tend to use them all up by fairly aggresively rerolling miniboss chambers. And if I luck out on the chambers anyway then I'll just roll away some Obol, Health or Pom rewards in Elysium or Styx.
There's always more boons to pick up.
high island
But I often want the pom, obols, or HP lol.
floral shore
Poms are nice but in particular in Styx you often have so many boons that the odds of hitting like two boons that you'd actually care to rank up are low enough that I'd rather take an additional boon from something instead of putting +1 level on some random support boon.
Obols same thing kinda, I'd rather just get the boon straight up than buy it from Charon maybe.
HP depends on how it's going currently, obviously.
In my... maybe 150 escapes or so?.. I've used Authority for a significant majority of it and I can count the instances of me ending up with rerolls at the final bossfight on one hand.
high island
Hmm.
floral shore
These days I use Persuasion almost exclusively though, I've seen the light.
high island
The thing is, unfortunately, there's no real point anymore in me figuring out how to use Authority most effectively.
Routine Inspection and all the other pacts on high heat just make Fated Persuasion way superior.
floral shore
Yup, Authority is good if you have like a large chunk of them as you need to roll more often.
high island
I need around 10k more Darkness to max out the mirror completely.
For the last Authority reroll.
But almost all my runs have at least RI1 now.
So the mirror doesn't even matter much anymore lol.
floral shore
I got like the first 6 rolls of the Authority and everything else fully unlocked, so I'm like halfway through the mirror.
rigid reef
It looks like yet another 32 Heat god run is going to be thrown by Satyr Sack not appearing.
Also, fighting the ||Tiny Vermin|| for the first time. Oh well, it's a roguelite, stuff like this happens all the time.
floral shore
You never ran into the Tiny Jerk?
floral shore
Let's just say that Zagreus dreads him for a reason.
rigid reef
Well, I did beat him (the Vermin, fight with REDACTED is still coming up), I just don't have time left because the Sack screwed me over.
And he summoned two Elite Longbows. Here goes my Acorn shield.
Why do you hate me so much, game?
Two more Archers? Come on...
crude hazel
I think if he summons archers the first time, he'll summon them the second too.
mental crow
Hey guys, a quick question. I fought against Charon and had the Athena Dash blessing, but Charon's attacks kept hiting me. Can't you reflect Charons attacks?
vagrant ruin
!Possible spoilers! ||I have been playing Hades non-stop and Sisyphus was my first companion to give me his quest. 30+ runs later, I have completed all companion quests, unlocked all Cthonic companions (except Bouldy) and final weapon aspects for sword,rail,shield and spear. But still I cannot proceed with Sisyphus quest. I cant get the directions from Nyx (to unlock the house contractor's purchase). Is that normal or is there a bug in my game?||
gusty slate
RNG dialogue is hardcore
I don't remember if ||Sisyphus' quest requires talking to Hades and Meg before Nyx tells secrets||
granite ether
please use spoiler tags @vagrant ruin as ||companions|| are spoilers in this channel, same with the ||Nyx quest||
vagrant ruin
Done
granite ether
ty ^_^
rigid reef
Lost to Speedy Shielding Longbows with Epic Heartbreak Flourish lv.7 Charged Skewer Guan Yu spear on 32 Heat.
Why am I even keeping doing this, can someone remind me?
vale kite
glory
rigid reef
Glory of what?
gusty slate
For Skelly!
rigid reef
Yeah, probably totally worth it
crude hazel
Does the Artemis Zeus duo ability just not work if you have Stygian soul?
That's kind of sad.
gusty slate
That duo bothers me to no end
livid hull
!Possible spoilers! ||I have been playing Hades non-stop and Sisyphus was my first companion to give me his quest. 30+ runs later, I have completed all companion quests, unlocked all Cthonic companions (except Bouldy) and final weapon aspects for sword,rail,shield and spear. But still I cannot proceed with Sisyphus quest. I cant get the directions from Nyx (to unlock the house contractor's purchase). Is that normal or is there a bug in my game?||
@vagrant ruin I would gift ||more nectar to Nyx||
vagrant ruin
@livid hull Thank you for your reply. I am at max Nectar with her for a while now 🙂
Just got ||Nyx's quest to reunite with Chaos||, hopefully after that 🙂
rigid reef
On a good run with Heroic Aphro Special lv.7, Charged Skewer and Touch of Styx Dark. Time to get a Sack in the 5th tunnel on Tight Deadline 2.
but hopefully not, i actually want to win this one, alright?
gusty slate
Sorta wish that duo spawned uncollectable cast for a specific amount of time, not exceeding the casts you own or something
rigid reef
Welp, it wasn't the timeout that killed me this time. It was the Axe Trap that fell on me three seconds after I lost SD to heal. 
vagrant ruin
does anybody else hate the Aphro Demeter duo?
covert siren
Could someone explain what the small bits of dialogue are with Hades when you jump down from the window? (Stuff like "Family" and "Fury" etc)
rigid reef
Could someone explain what the small bits of dialogue are with Hades when you jump down from the window? (Stuff like "Family" and "Fury" etc)
Those are just flavor text, they don't affect your run. They're also presumably the things Hades said to Zagreus in the past.
covert siren
Ahh, thank you :) I got the one about meeting meg for the first time on my 70th run and was very confused
livid hull
Just got ||Nyx's quest to reunite with Chaos||, hopefully after that 🙂
@vagrant ruin Didn't need to get that ,but yeah hopefully progression will unlock the next conversation you need!
astral badger
after you get rid of pierced butterfly the buff is still applied right
brisk trail
No.
forest vector
Just like your heart
astral badger
welp
forest vector
But yeah if you swap keepsakes you swap out their benefits
crude hazel
My heart belongs to Artemis. Best awkward friends forever.
First keepsake varies a lot? Depends on what I feel like doing.
forest vector
Same here
crude hazel
The butterfly isn't a terrible choice.
With the knowledge that you might just keep it for the whole run if Tartatus goes smoothly.
forest vector
On most secret weapon aspect runs I keep Lambent Plume the entire run though lol
crude hazel
I play too slow for plume 😄
forest vector
I play too fast for the Butterfly 
keen talon
OwO
forest vector
I'll be this close to perfect clearing a room and then bam
3 damage from a Numbskull from off-screen
astral badger
huh
so should i try just keeping pierced butterfly for one run
im using the gun for the first time cause ive always put it aside
forest vector
The Butterfly could work with the Bow and Rail if you keep distance from everything on screen
astral badger
im guessing it works really well with nemesis aspect?
forest vector
Yeah it should
worldly tiger
Okay so what's the deal, I can keep giving Medusa more and more ambrosia but I don't want to just throw the stuff away
I already have her companion
Do I get much out of maxing out her rep with me?
forest vector
Open your Codex. Some people have different amounts of hearts to fill in order to max out their relationships
worldly tiger
Haha, I'm picking that up
But I also might want to get the other companions before I head down that rabbit hole
rough token
You'll get || the ambrosia back, if you want it ||
gusty slate
That only applies to ||Dusa yeah?||
rough token
Yup
gusty slate
final boss
obtuse crater
emmm i'm like 28 hours in and i found out something thati don't quite understand and didn't knew you could "do"? if you press A on the controller on the booms tree the hability gets highlighted and marked and you can do that up to 4 squares...what is that?
narrow hemlock
on the victory screen? thats to show off specific things
rough token
It works even in the normal boons menu
topaz crystal
It's used to highlight your boons after you win or maybe in the middle of the runs to highlight your build.
rough token
It's so you can look at multiple boons at the same time
obtuse crater
ohhh is to highlight them at the end?
narrow hemlock
ive never tried it on the normal boon menu lmao. either way it doesnt do anything
obtuse crater
ohhh i did not understand because here it does notheing
just put a mark
and make them shinny
like "activated"
narrow hemlock
considering the normal use of that on the win screen it's probably just the way the system is built overall to make that work, but ultimately it doesnt mean anything specific
high island
It's primarily to highlight boons, hammer upgrades, and items for screenshots.
marsh rivet
hmm... what do the username colors mean?
crude hazel
They're just role indicators.
They mean basically nothing except you asked the bot for X role.
marsh rivet
oh lol
harsh pike
A nectar came out of a treasure trove I just finished
is that a mechanic that I missed somewhere?
crude hazel
It just happens sometimes, yes.
harsh pike
is it a bug?
high island
Nope. It's like a 5% chance or something.
brisk trail
they could add a voiceline for zag on it dropping
forest vector
I thought it happened if you cleared the Trove fast enough
harsh pike
I finished at 108 coins, I've definitely done it faster
rough token
It's definitely not based on speed
crude hazel
It's just based on luck.
brisk trail
we can't play on mac os?
worthy egret
Can i just say i'm a fan of Deadly Reversal making Zag look like a laser eyes meme
tired axle
Anyone here tried a mage build?
I am trying to make myself a mage
I have ||poseidon's ||sword and his cast
rough token
as in, a fully cast build?
tired axle
Yeah
rough token
oh, absolutely
tired axle
I destroyed ||hydra|| but than i had to do some work
And was wondering if anyone tried it before
rough token
if you haven't already, try and get some boons from Artemis :3
rough token
but yeah, cast builds are absolutely viable and used
gusty slate
Cast build is quickest way for me to win with spear
lapis harbor
hmm... Thanatos said to stand back and he'll improve my butterfly
should I stand back?
lapis harbor
ahh wasn't sure
ember prairie
Or both if youre sick '))
lapis harbor
heart seems much better, which is what I went for
I am not sick 😢
I love/hate the butterfly so far
ember prairie
;((
ember prairie
Kill more dudes than him, but also take zero dmg
tiny plinth
oh wow
pearl canopy
butterfly isn't that good honestly
plume is way better
and easier to get stacks of
tiny plinth
oh i forgot how the buttefly worked im dumb
i used to apply plume/buttertlfy in early stages bc i thought the buff was permanent even when u remove the charm
ember prairie
and easier to get stacks of
@pearl canopy very very true
lapis harbor
which is plume? speed + dodge for fast?
pearl canopy
yeah
lapis harbor
I dunno how fast "fast" is
pearl canopy
max rank you can usually get like 30% dodge and speed by redacted
rough token
it varies per room
lapis harbor
oh neat
pearl canopy
'fast' is very manageable with faster weapons
lapis harbor
I'll stick with my butterfly for this run
pearl canopy
not so much with the bow
ember prairie
yeah they should make it a bit more obvious i reckon
lapis harbor
is there an easy way to know if any fish are near?
also, it is just me or does a good high damage cast help a LOT?
flat vapor
there's a bell ding when the room is finished, and zag will usually have a line
tawny light
are diamonds just for buying more ambrosia and upgrading the household?
pearl canopy
there's also some lore stuff you can do with them
tawny light
Need to know whether or not to get my interior design on with these 16 diamonds I have stocked up.
Already did all the spoiler worthy stuff.
flat vapor
character quest progression, upgrading and unlocking gameplay mechanics/resources
pearl canopy
Achilles, Sisyphus and Orpheus all have quests which need you to use diamonds
aside from that yeah just get ambrosia lol
or house stuff if you want
tawny light
Yeah, I've chatted up almost everybody with Ambrosia
pearl canopy
each of those quests need like 7 diamonds if you haven't done em already
tawny light
so far the only people I haven't maxed out have been ||| Thanatos and Dusa because I'm not trying to mess things with up best girl Megeara||
pearl canopy
dw about that
tawny light
😮
Alrighty then, ||| havne't seen Thanatos in a long while, I'll hook it up with the Olympus Juice when he comes around then. Same with the flying cutie head|||
lapis harbor
omg. you need SO many diamonds! I need to get to beating the last boss, I guess
rough token
@high island Master Chaos does usually comment when I reroll boons, and when I use my last Fated Persuasion dice
crude hazel
Not a fan of CHAOS?
rough token
yeah, lol. I almost always get comments from Chaos when I reroll
not a huge variety of them, but that's a non-issue
high island
It's just too risky on very high heat.
rigid reef
Where can I find the weekly run desc?
rough token
Pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat
rigid reef
That's... insane lul
rough token
It's already been completed at least twice xD
rigid reef
This is now officially a run.
https://i.vgy.me/Z6u4Sr.jpg
rough token
Yup xD I got the same
high lily
Let's GOOOOOOOOO
jade nacelle
I don't seem to have permission to post in the feedback channel. Anyone know why that would be?
rigid reef
Try getting yourself the Early Access role.
jade nacelle
Thank you; is that something new as I was able to offer feedback before.
granite ether
read the pinned messages in #hades-feedback ^_^
yeah, there was a small period of time where people without the Early Access role could post in the #hades-feedback channel
jade nacelle
Fixed; thank you for your help.
turbid fractal
yo! so im having difficulties with Dusa's summon, i can only summon her once in a single run even though it's level 3? is this a bug?
jade nacelle
Every time you upgrade a keep sake with ambrosia it gains an additional use per run and remains one use per chamber. If it's level three and you only have one use there's probably something wrong.
Take it into a run with you and hit F10 to report the bug.
crude hazel
Does anyone feel like regenarating cast gets the short end of the stick? It's a lot of fun, but you lose out on some fun boons.
Kind of arbitrarily.
past mirage
I actually prefer Stygian Soul in most cases, because a) more enemies can be debuffed that way, especially if you get extra casts, and b) you're spared the tedium of retrieving the bloodstones. I only choose Infernal Soul for builds that rely on burst damage with casts - mainly Poseidon, Hera and Beowulf aspect. Achilles and Talos in select cases.
crude hazel
I prefer it as well.
It's a lot more fun for me to play with it.
But between the Zeus buffs with it, Exit wounds, Poseidon sword. It feels like it doesn't get as much love.
past mirage
Bad News is a really good boon, though, that only appears with Stygian Soul.
past mirage
It's a Hermes legendary, so admittedly it is hard to obtain.
Speaking of which, why doesn't it have a unique image?
jade nacelle
Yeah, I prefer the single use, cooldown based bloodstone myself. I like not worrying about my casts shooting into the corners of Asphodel and debuffing enemies for the bonus damage consistently. If I have a particular build in mind or am using Hera Aspect on the bow I'll switch, though.
brisk trail
i like having to not keep tabs on where my cast charges are so stygian is a no-brainer for me
crude hazel
I just feel bad every time I want to go with Zeus to start with or something.
And am thinking about how the artemis duo is so funny.
void vigil
Sorry, I have to delete that art because of the swears in the preview! D: @lone breach
lone breach
... Well that's egg on my face, I looked for an art channel and completely missed that there was a fanwork channel :V
Off we go~
lapis harbor
eesh. is it just me or is the fourth biome kinda confusing and awkward? I'm taking a lot of damage and I have no idea why
rough token
|| there are a lot of things that poison you, and rats vermin deal damage the moment they spawn ||
I usually use the || Broken Spearpoint || to help with that
flat vapor
poison is cured via the yellow cure fountains, you'll need to look out for those in each chamber
(when you get poisoned, they'll light up)
lapis harbor
yeah, I found the cure fountains, but there just seems to be a lot of crap dealing damage in a way that's hard to predict? the attacks aren't obvious
quaint bramble
Yes, pretty much all ||rats and satyrs|| have attack tells (or lack thereof) that the community has protested in the past.
flat vapor
small rats are annoying and hard to predict
lapis harbor
okay, so it's not just me
flat vapor
satyrs have a long wind-up that really gets people
quaint bramble
The problem being they can shoot from offscreen and basically have hitscan
forest vector
The ||small vermin|| get one shot in exchange for that
lapis harbor
how rare are good deals from the broker? I can trade 15 keys for 1 titan's blood, but I can't tell if I should jump on that or save my keys... haven't unlocked the 20 or 30 options yet
flat vapor
keys are good for ||unlocking weapons and mirror traits, and to respec the mirror||
quaint bramble
All of the deals are bad until endgame or you really need a resource. The bottom random rotating one is usually a bit better, but still can be garbage
flat vapor
after those, you can sell keys easily
lapis harbor
weapon traits...? they take titan's blood, no?
also! if I were to be willing to upgrade the bow on one tree ONCE, which one would be worthwhile?
forest vector
Out of the first three bow aspects, I think Hera is the best one
flat vapor
unlocking weapons, and mirror traits
lapis harbor
ahhh, I have all the weapons now
edgy sage
how do you unlike the ||achillies campan|| someone at me
flat vapor
hera's power is all in the first level, chiron and zag bow need a few investments in blood before they become good
quaint bramble
I like the base aspect a lot for its simplicity and the fact that crit chance is apparently additive. Hera is fun but probably going to get some balancing and function smoothing, and Chiron is great but takes a lot of blood to get really fun.
rough token
You need to talk to || Achilles and Patroclus, and give both of them lots of Nectar || @edgy sage
lapis harbor
why is Hera's good? it seems super cool and up my alley, but I'm having trouble seeing why it's actually strong
flat vapor
strong burst damage, you can fire multiple casts
lapis harbor
and they load much faster than actually casting?
is it still good if you get the ice beam or blade rift cast?
flat vapor
the upgrade levels quicken the dislodge time, so you get your main source of power back faster
rough token
Rift yes, ice beam ehh
flat vapor
ice beam is the only cast i would absolutely not recommend on hera
the best cast on hera is dio's trippy shot
lapis harbor
okay, cool... now I just have to decide if I want to spend two whole blood on one weapon, I've so far been doing 1 in each Zag aspect haha
forest vector
I've never actually seen that interaction before 
rough token
Unless you have the || Demeter/Aphrodite duo ||, then maybe
flat vapor
you're gonna get a lot more blood, it'll be fine
lapis harbor
I can't even consistently take out boss 3, who knows if I'll ever get to bounties 😛
quaint bramble
My problem is that no functionality for it has been implemented on the Stygian soul talent
flat vapor
but zag bow is the cheapest and arguably one of the best zag weapons, in my humble opinion
flat vapor
you get your money's worth and some more, with fully upgraded zag bow
keen talon
the crit is nice but it's the bow
brisk trail
yea, zag fists is the best zag aspect imo
flat vapor
i'm letting the bow slander pass in case the devs see and buff my main
keen talon
zag fists with the hermes thing for attack speed + zeus strike and support fire was my first sub 20 minute clear
tawny light
Olympus watching over this run
replenished 2 death defiance with two different Athena boons and no rerolls
🙏
brisk trail
The bow is just so slow compared to every other weapon
quaint bramble
several disciples of Artemis are typing
rough token
Hahaha
flat vapor
chain shot zag bow said hello
tawny light
I think bow was my first clear
so I'm never hating.
regular rail can go EAD though.
L- aspect is super fun instead. Feels like you're playing a game of ghostbusters.
rough token
I...huh. yeah
tawny light
Put all those sucker shades into containment.
quaint bramble
I ain’t afraid of no shades
novel wasp
haha brrrrr
rough token
|| Who ya gonna call? Hades-busters! ||
quaint bramble
Just don’t cross the ||hellfire||
tawny light
went the supersoaker route last time with it but didn't work out too well, not much single target damage.
First clear go to do Stacks of Dooms with the infinite ammo. Somehow that run worked out.
need to see if I can catch Artermis's attack aspect with it
Hit enemies with the crit Gamma Rays.
cloud apex
several disciples of Artemis are typing
ironically enough, some boons like support fire aren't the most helpful on bow either
lapis harbor
Is there a good guide somewhere to which upgrades are generally considered valuable? Aspects, mirror green vs red, companions, etc
There are a lot of choices you can’t take back in this game haha
rough token
Not really, but people here will happily help
lapis harbor
I hate flooding people with questions, though you guys are great and don’t seem annoyed
rough token
I'm definitely not ^.^
olive fiber
If you repeat a run with the same heat you've done already - is darkness the only benefit you get? Are you always incentivised to go up in heats?
rough token
I practically live on discord
lapis harbor
Which keepsakes should I be focusing on? My next run is bow, is the +30% damage worth it? Is spending 1 blood on +2 crit worth it?
narrow hemlock
Ideally you'll want to unlock everything anyway, but what you prioritize is pretty situational to your preferences in gameplay too. But if you need help there's always people around to offer their opinions
olive fiber
Also is going up in heats the best way of getting blood to improve weapons?
rough token
Yes to both of those, Kaboodle
olive fiber
Finally, do you guys mostly focus on a couple of gods ie.2 rather than take most boons on offer early?
IThanks!
rough token
That depends on if I'm going for a specific duo
And Paul, I started by maxing out most of the God Keepsakes, and then the main defensive ones (|| Acorn, Tooth, Spearpoint ||)
The only offensive keepsake I've actually used is the || new Shackle ||
cloud apex
||piercing butterfly|| is pretty solid full run experience, but generally you'd want to switch keepsakes around and this one doesn't allow you to, so it's more for dedicated memes
crude hazel
Memes is a bit strong.
It's just like. Fine.
It's a nice damage buff for when you don't want to worry too much.
rough token
You don't need them maxed, and I didn't make a special effort to—I just used them. It does rank up to basically a guarantee of decent rarity though
brisk trail
the first 2 biomes at least they definitely are
lapis harbor
the Coin Purseseems good?
rough token
Yup
brisk trail
yea, purse is good
crude hazel
It's free money, if you don't have a specific god boon you're wanting, swap into it.
brisk trail
just a free boon
crude hazel
I wish that Cosmic Egg guaranteed you a chaos portal in the first room.
It'd be nice.
brisk trail
yea, I'd rather the egg increasing odds for chaos gates rather than boon rarity
crude hazel
Both is good of course.
rough token
I'd rather it do a smaller % of both (for balance's sake)
crude hazel
I just want to meet my lovely friend Master Chaos more often.
rough token
smiles in Shield
lapis harbor
any last boss advice? on them at full health with 1 death defiance (wish I'd bought my third, but was missing some dark 😢
rough token
That's best moved to #h1-builds-and-combat
urban mortar
is there a list somewhere of all the different run titles (like Death Defier and Fisher King)
urban mortar
ty
rough token
If you look up one of the titles, the page should show up
urban mortar
ty
rough token
o7
lapis harbor
looool ||pretend, for now, that Lord Hades absolutely clobbered him|| (big spoiler, don't click)
huh? are ||erebus gateways|| worth the two diamonds?
forest vector
You don't need to buy them immediately
You won't be able to open them and use them right away
lapis harbor
hmm okay
I should beat heat 0 with every weapon, right? I can't skip to 1 to get bounties
cloud apex
You can skip, just that 0 heat will take a separate run for each one
high lily
if your goal is too get resources then yeah prolly
brisk trail
that should probably be the last work order you do
brisk trail
like sebboi said you won't be able to use them for awhile
rough token
Last work order, not last contractor item
worthy egret
You won't be able to use them until ||5 heat||
lapis harbor
ahhh, makes sense... odd question, should I wait for 1.0 before continuing? how much is the progression gonna change?
crude hazel
Probably not much?
lapis harbor
do we know what... the "end" is gonna look lik at all? like how to unlock it? 20 heat with a weapon?
brisk trail
Will there be other Olympians as well?
high lily
we all want things we cant have cries in no axe
crude hazel
The end will presumably involve beating the final boss and then seeing the end of the story. And crying.
But we don't know for sure how it'll all play out.
Just trust in Supergiant.
high lily
cry from emotion*
As we all now, we all cry after beating the final boss from pure relife
dreamy musk
lapis harbor
I don't think the ancient greeks really loved axes?
whereas sword, spears, shields, and machine guns are all RIGHT up their alley
cloud apex
Especially machine guns yes
Also you do 32 heat just like 16 heat but with more luck and skill ngl
lapis harbor
how do you unlock the fourth aspects of weapons?
forest vector
There's a guide pinned in #h1-story-discussion
crude hazel
If the ancient greeks had machine guns, they'd use them.