Maybe I should go get sober before I violate smth else
@jaunty marsh Really now?
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
narrow hemlock
so the game is pretty fun huh
jaunty marsh
Hades? for sure
well I tell you what young lad Im doing nothing mush now
Drinking and ruining my in game stats by this
This ->
guy right here is pretty hot tho
No names cuz..
Spoiler again if I tell that?
void vigil
please dont evade the swear filter @jaunty marsh!
jaunty marsh
As you wish, Lady Aphrodite
nimble ocean
does it count as evading swear filter, when you don't use swear words at all?
void vigil
no, thats called listening to the rules 
gusty slate
L-- aspect for rail breaks boss fight #3 lol
manic bobcat
How so?
dawn tiger
LeBron James is just all around a very strong aspect
works well with a ton of different boon drafts as well
upper carbon
worthy egret
hades but instead of good riddance eurydice says good grief
gusty slate
Eck, F10 blackscreen
but the L-- aspect whenever I use it on boss fight 3 I get Thesseus stuck
void vigil
hey @rustic escarp, please repost this in #self-promotion! this isnt the channel to promote streams
rustic escarp
oh, ok
rough token
@hollow hull you can report bugs like that in-game with f10
mystic sphinx
ive been seeing like this thing in speed runs where go up to a door to enter a new room, press e, and then open the menu, then the door changes, is that a glitch or?
rough token
There's a way to change doors with a mirror talent, that might be it
mystic sphinx
ah
rough token
Opening a menu pauses the in-game timer, which is important for speedruns
hollow hull
@hollow hull you can report bugs like that in-game with f10
@rough token Thanks! I had no idea
rough token
Sure thing ^.^
brisk trail
stupid question but how big are the voice files of the game?
narrow hemlock
large
there was like over 15000 lines when nighty night update hit and blood price prob added another few thousand so id say like ~10gb worth is a healthy guess
do not know exact numbers
past mirage
VO.fsb is 582.612 KB large
rough token
What is that in gigs? A bit too sleepy to do the mental conversion
Also! Did you just change your profile picture, letran?
past mirage
Yes. We have a running gag in the D&D group now, and everyone changed their image to an animal in a jar.
rough token
Lol
past mirage
It's 0.56 GBs, to answer your other question.
rough token
o7
brisk trail
thanks :D:D
fathom tinsel
Fun discovery: you can tick up the plume on the final boss (presumably the butterfly too).
nimble ocean
and also get +hp with appropriate mirror ability when exiting the arena
rustic juniper
well i finally got my first spear run by just spamming the exploding spear toss
does someone have a good fists guide?
brisk trail
long knuckle feels great with the fists
manic tundra
question: what's everyone's favorite aspect?
either in the whole game or for each weapon
flat vapor
whole game? probably hera
next escarp
All right after a week off. I'm ready to jam some.
I promised my wife I wouldn't bring my computer on vacation.
Time to get wrecked
brisk trail
Is it bad to use green side of mirror
manic tundra
i personally like chiron more but hera seems cool
flat vapor
as for each weapon, going from left to right:
arthur/guan yu/chaos/hera/demeter/L-----
manic tundra
Is it bad to use green side of mirror
@brisk trail for some of them
brisk trail
Kind of like fiery presence more than shadow presence
flat vapor
Is it bad to use green side of mirror
nope! if they fit your playstyle, then it's fine
manic tundra
like death defiance is 10000% better than stubborn deffiance
brisk trail
Well yeah
manic tundra
but there are some good green ones
brisk trail
Which ones
manic tundra
yeah firey presence is a lot easier to use
flat vapor
eh, 40+ heat runs love stubborn defiance
manic tundra
the last 4 i use green with
eh, 40+ heat runs love stubborn defiance
@flat vapor yeah that makes sense
I'm not good enough to go that high yet tho
worthy egret
I use a few green ones but i dont remember which, save for Dark Regeneration
manic tundra
usually save all of my death defiances for the final boss
brisk trail
I only have 4 unlocked so
flat vapor
once saw a 40+ heat video on YT and the runner was healing back 300 hp for every stubborn defiance
worthy egret
Which is honestly miles better than Cthonic vitality
manic tundra
unlocking more really helps
brisk trail
I can't tell what dark regen really does
worthy egret
@flat vapor i saw that, how did he do that?
flat vapor
going for every heart and getting patroclus's touch of styx+
manic tundra
i think dark regen is the one that heals you when you pick up darkness
worthy egret
Yep!
manic tundra
so he had like 500+ hp?
brisk trail
Might rather have cthonic vitality since it's a constant
worthy egret
That's fair
manic tundra
i like cthonic vitality more
flat vapor
like 400~ but the touch of styx made it so the runner healed back at around 80% i think?
flat vapor
not too sure on the number but i remember 300 hp per specifically
manic tundra
that's pretty good
brisk trail
Well I would go for darkness, I just don't want to depend on it to heal
manic tundra
yeah i get that
brisk trail
I need as much darkness as I can get
worthy egret
I also like how cool DR is when you imagine it. Like, Zag heals by absorbing darkness. That's metal
manic tundra
also, unrelated question, what's everyone's favorite weapon?
worthy egret
Exagryph
manic tundra
yeah that's pretty cool
flat vapor
bow currently
manic tundra
exagryph is fun, i like the aspect of ||lucifer|| a lot with it
brisk trail
ngl +30% damage was worth 5 keys
manic tundra
personally i love the fists
flat vapor
hera/zag/rama/chiron are my personal tiers for bow
manic tundra
wait 30% damage with what?
flat vapor
hera being best
brisk trail
I just go with whatever has the darkness buff
worthy egret
I'm not playing favourites, i say, as all my Exagryph aspects are maxed and all the other weapons are starving
brisk trail
wait 30% damage with what?
@manic tundra I unlocked boiling blood
brisk trail
aspects?
manic tundra
they're a cool thing you get later
brisk trail
oh ok
manic tundra
this game has so much replay value it's insane
worthy egret
I have to feed stygius ive been using it so much but not putting much blood in
manic tundra
if you max out the zag aspect it's really fun
worthy egret
I did max out all ||Zag aspects|| though, cause it felt wrong to max any others first
manic tundra
i get that
i just max out the ones i use first
like aspect of ||Demeter|| is crazy when you max it out
worthy egret
I love the echo of Zag's roar on the charged special
manic tundra
yeah it's such a nice touch
worthy egret
HHHAHHHH
manic tundra
i wonder what they'll do for the ||legendary aspect|| for the fists
worthy egret
I heard people theorize Sekhmet
manic tundra
who's that?
just looked it up, an Egyptian god would be cool
I wonder how that would play?
gusty slate
You want harder? You innocent child...
manic tundra
i mean meg is easy
brisk trail
very
manic tundra
but... ||she's not the only first floor boss you can encounter||
brisk trail
any fun builds to do with guan yu?
manic tundra
get all the spin upgrades with the hammer
brisk trail
no i mean
fun builds
aside atemis xD
if i so much wanted to win i would end up doing a stubborn roots run + full artemis
athena boon or centaur heart
Boon.
manic tundra
athena 100%
brisk trail
And I'm at 4 hp
narrow hemlock
you're going to almost always want the boon honestly
manic tundra
yeah, boons are really good
manic tundra
also, make it a priority to get the rest of the mirror upgrades, they make life a lot easier
manic tundra
nice!
elysium is pretty hard, and the boss is (in my opinion) the most annoying
definitely not the hardest
but it's just a pain to deal with
manic tundra
yeah it's really good
brisk trail
Same
manic tundra
i think i have like 80 hours in it at this point
brisk trail
That's a lot of hours
rancid glen
wish I had more blood to fix that health reduction
brisk trail
feels great tho
manic tundra
when you do fix the health it becomes a really good weapon
i suck at using it
but i know it's good
rancid glen
you think they'll have different/varying floors in v1?
brisk trail
i love the special
hits super hard with a epic at the start
i think i just killed alecto with like 5-6 spears(?)
rancid glen
I got lucky on my first run and got the spin atk dmg reduction + faster charge
managed to clear it on heat 1 lol
oh, which heats do people typically add on as they ascend heat levels?
brisk trail
What does "your ablilites that can deflect immediately activate doom" mean
rancid glen
I used HP+ as my first one
flat vapor
your abilities that have athena boons on them, when they hit an enemy with doom, the doom goes off immediately
rancid glen
Yea so have the enemy with doom take dash damage and it'll proc the doom immediately
brisk trail
its like a free exalted xD
rancid glen
yoo it's so good
flat vapor
that, plus the combo damage stated in the boon
rancid glen
What weapon do you have?
brisk trail
spear
brisk trail
yes
flat vapor
works best with deflect dash
brisk trail
guess I'll try it
rancid glen
Just spam atk + keep dashing around, and the dmg will stack like crazy
flat vapor
your doom basically doesn't have a timer anymore and does bonus damage
brisk trail
wait so it will indefinetly attack the enemy
rancid glen
yea and keep stacking doom damage/other buffs (doom does more dmg and is delayed)
no so you will atk (doom) dash (proc), atk (doom) dash (proc), repeat
brisk trail
ah
flat vapor
the doom automatically procs as soon as you hit with an athena ability
rancid glen
so if you can spam that really fast, think of every time you atk + dash, you'll get a full doom proc in there
brisk trail
This is too op
rancid glen
so if you get lucky and your doom does ~200 dmg
yeah haha exactly
probably my favourite combo
besides shield special + zeus thunder
brisk trail
Yeah.
It's not super easy to use but it's really strong once you get some Poms and tier 2 boons with it.
doom status might be my favorite
manic tundra
how so?
rancid glen
man I haven't seen aphrodite in like 10 runs lol
manic tundra
so like doom attack+aphrodite special?
brisk trail
I just got my death defiance back, I might have a chance
brisk trail
i only use her for the doom boom duo
flat vapor
basically you want doom special plus impending doom, both leveled up a bit
rancid glen
sorry what do you mean by when you use w/ aphrodite it gives massive damage?
brisk trail
Boss is up next
rancid glen
how does aphrodite enhance doom
manic tundra
have you beat it before?
flat vapor
(doom special because it has higher damage than attack, but attack works too)
rancid glen
@brisk trail How does aphrodite enhance doom builds?
brisk trail
Killed minotaur and theseus's god summoning stuff killed me
manic tundra
thesus is super annoying because of the shield, try taking the minotaur out first
just dash like a maniac
brisk trail
I got a call just before the fight from charon
flat vapor
how does aphrodite enhance doom
duo boon between ares/aphrodite called curse of longing: doom automatically resets on weak enemies, for half damage on each reset
manic tundra
wait for it to be fully charged
brisk trail
yeah
flat vapor
so 200 damage initial, then 100, then 50, etc
manic tundra
then just blast it
rancid glen
Oooh right think i saw that once. Thank you
brisk trail
ngl this sound track is doom tier music
rancid glen
do you guys always take chaos gates?
brisk trail
depends
Hell yes it is, Goldre.
if you get a chaos gate and you see a boon you need its better to pick the boom if you dont have a keepsake guaranteeing it
rancid glen
true
brisk trail
ugh they killed me again
next escarp
What exactly are the secret stash?
brisk trail
lol tried to heal of of lernie without realizing i had stubbon roots and i can just kill myself to heal back up
next escarp
@brisk trail
This is the first rogue-like game I've actually enjoyed in like 20 years.
I suck, terribly, but I've been enjoying the game overall.
brisk trail
same
rancid glen
Yeah, I love rogue-like games (Slay the Spire, Night of the Full Moon, etc.) and I can honestly not stop playing this game
I haven't been this addicted to a game in years lol
brisk trail
Got twin fists
brisk trail
the magnetic fists makes everything fun for that weapon i swear
manic tundra
the twin fists are easily my favorite weapon because you just feel so powerful
also the hammer upgrades are just great
karmic oasis
So, maybe I am weird, but does Zags new voice lines sound flatter?
like... I feel like he has less emotion
whereas before the update, he had a much more enthusiastic/sarcastic quality
or... maybe I am just insane
rancid glen
how'd you heal up that much? Guan yu?
manic tundra
i don't think his voice lines are flatter, but i'm not too sure what voice lines are new
brisk trail
I think some of the content haven't been extremely personal to Zagreus, so he's just not as emotive as he'd be when talking to Hades.
granite ether
@hollow hull in regards to your most recent post in #hades-feedback; please report bugs/glitches with the in game bug reporter (F10). The feedback channel is not meant for reporting bugs
swift falcon
Do you guys think ||there should be a way to guarantee Charon boss fight? I’m trying to do the “beat Charon twice in a row” prophecy and got really annoyed on my previous run where I went into shop every time it was available even with no gold, and didn’t see the bag. Even if it’s something crazy like don’t get hit for 3 rooms or clear every room in under 40 secs, just some way to subvert rng and guarantee a Charon boss fight||
Curious to hear some thoughts on this
There are other aspects of controlled rng like rerolling and stuff like that
Or maybe even some way to increase percentage chance if you’re using a certain keepsake or something
brisk trail
Wait you can ||fight charon||
swift falcon
Yeah if you ||go into his store and see a bag of gold behind him you can take it and that initiates a boss fight||
ruby palm
||just know that you WILL be slapped by an oar and it WILL do significantly more damage than you think||
brisk trail
Well
Why would you do that(besides the quest), also that seems borderline impossible to fight him twice in a row
swift falcon
^
Also you get some perks
||300 gold + a discount for the rest of the run on Charon’s stuff||
brisk trail
Ooh
That sounds nice
Combo that with the boon that gives 10 gold(or whatever)per room
Got it one run, and it was borderline best boon(becuase it allowed me to buy so many boons)
swift falcon
But yeah my main issue with it is ||that it’s purely up to chance, apparently there’s only a 20% chance for the bag to actually spawn||
swift falcon
Exactly lol
I wish there was a way to guarantee it
Like buying items to ensure chaos gate
Anything like that
brisk trail
Technically it's 1/10 chance to fight him twice in a row
ruby palm
22% is what ive heard but thats not much of a diff
and it's only on ||mid-biome shops, not in the pre-boss shops or in styx at all||
brisk trail
Speaking about rng, that reminds me, I play with whatever weapon get's the darkness buff and the sword never seems to get it(not that it's my favorite weapon, but I want to play it sometimes)
swift falcon
And also it can only ||spawn at midpoint stores, not the one right before the boss||
ruby palm
one step ahead of u riks :p
ruby palm
u good fam
swift falcon
Anyway I wonder how many runs I’m going to screw over trying to do this prophecy
||Just going to shop even with 0 gold||
Just for a chance
brisk trail
I feel like there has to be some sort of thing to guarantee it
summer aurora
it gives a reason to go to ||midpoint stores now||
I never used to go there beforehand
brisk trail
Noice
Is there a better way to mix up the weapons
Or is it better to stick to one weapon
swift falcon
Goldre I recommend changing it up
Usually I just use whatever give bonus dark
Because you get more rewards if you use different weapons as opposed to only using one
But if you just want to practice and get good with one weapon it’s not the worst thing to just focus on one for a while
But yeah for me I vary it up run to run for different rewards and to get used to all the different play styles/combos you can make
brisk trail
Yeah that's my point
I play with whatever weapon get's the darkness buff and the sword never seems to get it(not that it's my favorite weapon, but I want to play it sometimes)
ruby palm
i play around with other weapons but i rarely if ever get any luck completing runs with anything besides the shield and ||gun||
swift falcon
Jin you have to spoiler mark that
ruby palm
^
brisk trail
Ima ignore that
ruby palm
which aspect? im partial to chaos
swift falcon
Especially with the right combos
Same qaz, I like chaos the most of the ones I’ve tried
brisk trail
I just unlocked fists, but darkness hasn't blessed it yet tho
swift falcon
Oh goldre you should just use it, for me I tried each new weapon as they unlocked
Then once I had tried them all I started seeing which one was picked
ruby palm
yes pls try fists theyre great
swift falcon
Imo that’s the best way to do it
brisk trail
I will then
Just want to unlock all the weapons so I can finish the mirror(nowhere close to maxing it out)
Don't know when I should save up for another death defiance, 500 darkness is steep
ruby palm
id snag stubborn defiance asap but thats personal preference
brisk trail
Isn't that the one that let's you revive once per room
swift falcon
Yeah idk imo do death defiance first, if you play well you can possibly have 3 revives for final boss
swift falcon
Do the other one after
ruby palm
say what u will but i find the safety of having it every room much better than maybe having three at the end
@brisk trail
||mid-biome shops have a 22% chance to have a bag of gold sitting behind charon, with the text "borrow?". picking this up gets you 300 obols, but also gets charon to attack you for shoplifting||
brisk trail
Bringing up alternate mirror stuff, which upgrades are good to have on green
The only mirror upgrades I have on green is fiery presence(I have it unlocked down to Infernal soul)
damn ok
ruby palm
i honestly prefer most of the yellow (green?) ones
brisk trail
if you kill him does he reappear
ruby palm
||as i understand, yes - with discounts for the rest of the run. i dont know how much the discount is tho. it's a very difficult fight, that oar SLAPS||
ruby palm
@brisk trail for me up to that point, i usually have shadow presence, cthonic vitality (i flip that one a lot tho), ruthless reflex, boiling blood, and abyssal soul
@brisk trail @brisk trail might be better to move that discussion to #h1-story-discussion or #h1-builds-and-combat?
sorry for @ing everyone i just wanna make it clear who im addressing .-.
rustic juniper
fists are killing me lol
could someone explain these for me?
It feels like low damage unless i stand there for the full combo, low control and low range
ruby palm
move in and out quickly
rustic juniper
im playing it terribly wrong but the range does not feel compensated for me
ruby palm
it's a very fast paced weapon
brisk trail
Anyone got a good keepsake?
rustic juniper
so that hermes + dashes boon is good?
ruby palm
idk if theres any 'supposed to' as far as that goes
punch as many times as you can safely id think
brisk trail
Dash while holding down the Attack button after either the fourth or fifth hit in the combo and when your Dash-Strike ends you'll seamlessly continue into another combo.
ruby palm
^
buoyant merlin
Was anyone else not able to get into bastian at all? Especially after playing Hades, theres no way I can go back to that combat
I've yet to try Pie Ur or Train Station Sister
ruby palm
?
brisk trail
I played everything in release order.
fading gazelle
Same here, and I can see why'd you think that
manic tundra
fists are killing me lol
@rustic juniper this might be a bit late but for the fists my go-to strategy is just to dash like a maniac and never sit still for too long
because the dash attack does good damage
you can try and go for the whole combo but after you get it immediately dash to reset it
rustic juniper
makes sense
manic tundra
so that you're always attacking someone
ruby palm
so that you're always attacking someone
yeeeeeeeeeeeeee
manic tundra
also if you're using the aspect of demeter use the giga cutter whenever you have it
because the damage on it can get insane
buoyant merlin
What game should we make next?
"How about something that isn't isometric?"
angry glares
thrown out window
cyan cloud
fellas level with me on this
how can one have -110% movement speed
chaos do be wildin
but the walking animation is now funny to watch
ruby palm
hgfhdfghjgfd golly
narrow summit
When you're just curious if there's a Hades Discord and there is. 
sullen wasp
Am i the only one here that thinks that hammers could use a bit of tweaking? Maybe this is just me, but i feel like the variety on most of them is questionable. Getting only attack upgrades when you run a special build and vice-versa is kinda annoying, and the anvil is so rare that it doesn't really help. Maybe make it so that the hammer always has one attack and one special upgrade, then a random third would be better? What do you fellas think?
narrow summit
I'm starting to come to terms with having the sickest builds and then dying and it doesn't win me the game because I suck 
cyan cloud
us couric, us
some hammers are pretty handy
though tbf they shouldnt be a requirement
like legendary aspects REQUIRE some hammers to be functional
...or maybe im bad at using them idk
cobalt anvil
@buoyant merlin Pyre isn't isometric tho
ruby palm
oh true
buoyant merlin
Silence.
brisk trail
what is Pyre's view called
high island
Getting only attack upgrades when you run a special build and vice-versa is kinda annoying, and the anvil is so rare that it doesn't really help.
@sullen wasp I would say the mistake you're making is building against the run instead of building with the run. Especially now that every combo has a Duo Boon, you can get a sense of how to make the most of what the run is offering you very quickly in Tartarus. Then you have three biomes to build on that.
sullen wasp
That is absolutely true sometimes. However, in a few cases i ended up getting my first hammer in elysium. My point is, you don't always have a choice, and the hammers may, or may not br helpful in that regard, you feel me?
high island
Hmm, you already know that can happen if you didn't see a hammer in Tartarus. So you can build with that in mind to have more flexibility. Like, picking up that Epic Attack boon you see even though you haven't been using Attack or focusing more on your cast because casts don't rely on any hammers.
Things like that.
The only times I feel limited in that way is on very high heats with AP and UC etc. because your choices are very limited.
cyan cloud
its weird that the hades and zagreus dialogues at the end of an encounter do not reply to each other
also the hades taunt at the beginning of a run, I dont seem to like its design
the spacing of the letters is a bit odd
sullen wasp
@high island well, yes and no. But you get my point. I personaly think that hammers could be a but more structure. I generaly try to not waste boons, in that i won't pick an attack boon if i know i want to spec on on special etc. But of course, if a better oportunity arises, i will go with it. My issue is that sometimes you are well specced in a direction (say rama special build with zeus, jolted, increased thunder strike area and his legendary) befoee even touching the first hammer. I actually had something like this in one of my past few runs in tartarus (3 zeus boons back to back and one in the shop). Of course this is a rare case, but still.
high island
A boon on Attack is never a waste because it fills a core slot that would take priority in your boon offers. It also opens up Duo Boons.
sullen wasp
@high island altough you are right, a bit more variety in terms of what i pick, and adapting to the situation won't hurt
high island
I used to feel more like you, but I think that's something that comes with experience and better understanding boon trees.
And also the general structure of runs.
cyan cloud
oh they do? thats nice
do you all ever feel bad using an overkill cast on a single skull
poor boyo
sullen wasp
@high island true that. I gurdd i try to control my runs a bit too much haha. Most roguelites don't allow it so i kinda feel obligated to do it
ruby palm
i feel no regret over nuking numbskulls
high island
Depends on the Duo, some of them require specific boons, but most of them work with any core boon.
sullen wasp
@ruby palm and you should not
high island
Oh wait, that "they do?" was about something else I think lol.
ruby palm
:3
high island
Depends. If the overkill saves time or keeps you save, it's a good idea to do that.
white monolith
how does quit work? it tells me to clear this chamber to safely quit, but i've already cleared the chamber and picked up the reward
high island
You can only quit if you haven't taken any damage in the chamber yet.
flat vapor
you probably took damage after the reward
high island
So if you've cleared the chamber, you can just enter the next one and quit before you take any damage there.
flat vapor
traps/magma
white monolith
ohh okay
narrow summit
I feel as a newb, it's a must have to have something that gives hp regen right? Or have a full kit of sturdy? Either that or I suck that bad. I feel like my dmg to the boss dmg ratio's are overbearing. Or am I suppose to dodge even more than I am now?
floral shore
The final boss (whose identity is considered a spoiler) tends to pretty clearly telegraph his attacks. It's a matter of dodging and weaving, unless you have a build that can either outtank him or massively outdamage him.
void vigil
please dont evade the swear filter! @narrow summit
thin sphinx
hey lads, does anyone know if it's me or Hestia is a bit broken right now
can't reload as consistently as I used to
seems to stumble every second shot
buoyant merlin
is kinetic launcher affected by increased special speed
high island
Or am I suppose to dodge even more than I am now?
@narrow summit probably! Dash deliberately rather than recklessly—in every chamber. But also, try getting more max HP—200+ is usually a good goal—and just max out your mirror talents and everything.
Just getting more experience with all the boons and better understanding the boon trees will also really help you deal a lot more damage.
narrow summit
@high island Thanks for the tips, I've put a little bit of that together over the past few hours 🙂 there's never a dull moment in this game. It's nuts.
high island
You'll get a feeling eventually for when you need more effective HP vs when you need more damage in your build.
Sometimes I'll leave Tartarus with only ~110 HP, so I'll know I should get some Centaur Hearts soon to get that up to at least close to 200 before the third region.
narrow summit
Yeah, I can safely say I have more luck with 200 hp vs. 60-whatever it is and about 1-2 hearts with that 2hp regen boon. Thanks for the tips, I'll keep it in mind. I think I've died more in this game than Dark Souls 1+2+3 and I'm not even mad. 
vague zinc
Can you not get freezing vortex with hunting blades?
abstract fable
@cyan cloud the hades taunt at the beginning of a run is a memory, which is why zag doesn't respond all the time
hollow hull
@hollow hull please separate your feedback post into two individual messages. I can't vote on it the way it is now.
@high island Understood. I submitted my feedback again with the two ideas split up.
high island
Nice! Thanks! 
hollow hull
My friends and I were talking about the game all day yesterday and we had a few ideas. I also saw the "slow" mode on that channel and just put everything into one message. Should have just waiting and done it right the first time. Thanks for reminding me!
rugged glacier
It would be really cool if we could share the random seed of a run with our friends. My friend had an awesome run with hunting blades and it would be neat to be able to load that RNG seed up and play through to try it out. Disable achievements/darkness/whatever you need to in order to keep the single player game state.
@hollow hull Hi sleepykyle. I wanted to mention that the RNG seed doesn't seem to give you the same reward choices even if you make the same choices again.... I tested that just now to make sure... I went until the miniboss in Tartarus (in my case it was the doomstone) and I got a boon from poseidon... after that I gave up.... after that I started again with the same setup, and I made the same decisions... but when I got to the room before the miniboss, it was showing me a Zeus boon reward (for the miniboss room), and the miniboss this time was different (it was one of the multiple armored foes encounter)
Bottom line is... it seems like the game can change some of the rewards later on, even if at the beginning it appears like your run is the same... I'm not sure how it works in the background, but I'm guessing there are some 'middle' RNG seeds that are being generated after the first one?... Not sure if anyone can confirm this.
Just wanted to let you know this, because seeing how the game works right now, even if you could share the RNG seed from the beginning of the game, it seems like the next run could still turn out differently... unless maybe SGG could save 'all the seeds'? (so to speak)
hollow hull
@rugged glacier Interesting! I would bet they have something in-house that allows them to debug specific scenarios. They would have to pull that system to the front end and allow us to create our own "runs".
rugged glacier
yeah... they could probably make a log with all the seeds that were generated during the run, and make it so that we can input all of them in the next run... which sounds a bit more complicated I guess, but could work
flint sorrel
Just wanted to let y'all know, I saw someone in a stream describe Artemis as an Aro/Ace Arrow Ace, and I just... love it?
I mean, just in general, the depictions of mythological figures in this game are just so good.
I think this game might have actually been the thing that made me more interested in greek mythology.
granite ether
yeah Artemis is asexual (which is often shortened to ace)
flint sorrel
Yeah, I'd just never put it all together, and the phrase was just so perfectly fitting.
granite ether
that's fair, she's one of my favourite characters in the game out of the yes many incredible characters in Hades 
worthy egret
🏹 🏹 🏹 
patent topaz
Some interpret her way of approaching Zag as romantic or even platonic feelings but i just mmmh nope
I feel like it's more...
You know how teens don't want to go on holidays with only their parents and always want to go with a friend or really just someone their age? I think it's something like that
Also the thing with Callisto, i love how she's clearly her gf but she always brushes it off with "friend" like-
Girl it's okay you can tell me 👀 get out of Narnia
dawn tiger
Zag is the cool cousin that hasn't been over since thanksgiving 4 years ago (except he hasn't left home at all)
everyone loves Zag
patent topaz
we love zag
past mirage
My perspective is that Zagreus is like a pen-pal for Artemis - someone to pour out her heart to. And he sends gifts back to show he cares! The hurt comments during trials show how important this connection is to her. Even after the fight, where most gods say it’s water under the bridge, she’s wary and upset.
patent topaz
And really, she's relatable
The way she pokes fun at the Santa Claus' nature of the gods gifting boons to Zag mechanic? Or the way she fangirls over Achilles and spits out awkardly "...youseehimtellhimhe'sthebestforme!" at the end of that dialogue? She's just
gah
She also fangirls over coronacht, when she asks Zag if she can try it when he comes on Olympus
wintry frigate
Hey, question, where can I report a bug?
granite ether
Press f10 while in game, then alt tab if the bug reporter window doesn't pop up
As the bug reporter might be just sitting behind the game @wintry frigate
worthy egret
That happened to me once as well
wintry frigate
nothing happens at all with f10
granite ether
Did you try alt tabbing?
wintry frigate
yeah, spamming f10 tabbing seeing ingame, out of game nothing pops up, no f key works either
granite ether
Check your key bindings to see what the bug reporter is bound too
wintry frigate
ah, changed it to something besides f10, works now ty
granite ether
No worries ^_^
narrow hemlock
theyre used for upgrading weapon aspects
brisk trail
weapon aspects?
nimble ocean
it sounds like a meme
other variants of main 6 weapons, each one has 3 more, except for fists, it will be added later
nimble ocean
when you select a weapon you can hit action button once more, and there will be a menu
of a selected weapon
brisk trail
Pretty sure I can't
gusty slate
Need all weapons unlocked, no?
zinc solstice
We need "trophies" and a insignia for steam to complete xD
nimble ocean
strange, i was pretty sure it's not nessesary..
brisk trail
Also yeah, achievements would be cool
zinc solstice
I will love to hunt the achievements of the game if he could have it xD
nimble ocean
they said there will be steam achievements after 1.0 most probably
gusty slate
The prophecies should be the achievements
brisk trail
Admittedly I would like steam achievements, but I can wait till 1.0 for them
narrow hemlock
achievements are confirmed for 1.0
brisk trail
As long as I don't have to start a new save to get them
narrow hemlock
its mentioned in #hades-faq
gusty slate
but that sweet sweet v1.0 fresh save!
outer comet
Hmm
I wish there was some video of Nyx talking available on YT, I wanted to use her as a voice reference for a character of mine xD
brisk trail
but that sweet sweet v1.0 fresh save!
@gusty slate Yeah but... sighs
gusty slate
another 300 hours later to max a save
brisk trail
Nah, if I'm making another 1.0 save I'm wiping the save I currently have
nimble ocean
but the history
save that was made during EA, nothing like that will ever be available
narrow hemlock
nope, some of us just want to experience the events of the game in the intended order
nimble ocean
dunno.. experience everything once more in a proper order?
narrow hemlock
@outer comet hold that thought i'll get back to you on that in like 20-30 min
brisk trail
How soon is 1.0
nimble ocean
this year
outer comet
Oop
outer comet
@narrow hemlock r u sure? i can record its fine
outer comet
Also it's not really soon. It's been out for a while now, and this current update is 0.9.
brisk trail
yes...
nimble ocean
well, the year is long.. 6 months passed, 9 more to go
brisk trail
true
narrow hemlock
no i will do you one better, just give my slow internet a moment
brisk trail
Next moth maybe
outer comet
im scared
No it's not next month, the update came out last month :P or really, just a few weeks ago.
narrow hemlock
it'll prob be like at minimum 3 months, who knows. most updates were every 2-3 months
depends on how much is left to do
we know we're getting an ending, one last character, one last aspect, and every character still gets content, but we dont know just how much content that is either
nimble ocean
just came up with idea.. Zag gets into the past.. back when there were only a few weapons, few gods helped him, fewer enemies.. most people around were wearing cloaks.. smaller house without mosaic.. crystal-like boons.. and noone knows what's going to happen next..
maybe because Chronos wanted to put Zag through some kind of challenge..
or could it be Hypnos?
brisk trail
what now
zinc solstice
The remodelation site needs an option to see previously how it would see the object before buy in it
Maybe some "Press X button to see how it would see"
twilit void
Damn do you really get Titan blood every time you beat the final boss no matter the heat?
narrow hemlock
once per heat, only up to 20 heat
manic bobcat
So no, you don't
past mirage
If you beat a boss with a weapon at a heat level you cleared before, you get a bunch of darkness. Quite substantial if you beat the last boss.
twilit void
Ok someone worded it like that when they were talking about farming runs
That was my understanding so just wanted to make sure
Does the 15% extra health heat also apply to bosses
mystic nexus
https://66.media.tumblr.com/393a54d51edce8047e7aaab481959baa/c2a1d8a28cfa5515-71/s500x750/764fbcf580b4dfc6b299e9cfac2ec01f0933a266.jpg This is only tangentially relevant, but
I feel like y'all will appreciate it
twilit void
After I get all the ability unlocks from the contractor that you pay gemstones for, is the only use for them the cosmetic stuff?
mystic nexus
You can also trade them up for other resources
worthy egret
"this run is going horribly ill just let myself die"
"Not finished yet."
"Jesus christ fine Zag"
gusty slate
Final boss of the game is Zag's stubborness
worthy egret
Zag is the 'Tis but a scratch! knight
gusty slate
^ even moreso when he has gone through 6 DD's and is at 2hp!
I wish his appearance became more ragged, but that's not possible
worthy egret
The voicelines do reflect his state at least
And like, characters take note of his appearance so he definitely does look more ragged, we just dont see it
gusty slate
True
worthy egret
Which brings me to honestly my favourite Zag Theseus interaction
gusty slate
Perks of being a God, appearance is spotlesss
worthy egret
Where Theseus taunts Zag about being really hurt
And Zag is just too done to be polite anymore
"Theseus? I would appreciate it if you could be more considerate of the substantial effort necessary just to reach this point where I can make you shut your mouth."
narrow hemlock
the only downside to antagonists remaining antagonists is that i cant have zag being aggressively kind to theseus to the point hes bewildered and upset any time zag shows up
luv theseus, just wanna see him break down
undone moon
I couldn't dodge the gorgonhead miniboss shockwave. The miniboss in asphodel with the gorgonhead and medusa head.
At the start I couldn't do it either when I first added miniboss upgrades. A month ago (roughly) it seemed fine until now. Now I cannot do it either again.
I also had athena's dash protection. It could be that my timing was off but I was pretty sure my last attempt which killed me had the right timing
Somehow this shockwave attack from the gorgonhead seems the most dificult attack to dodge in this game (finished highest heat so far is 20).
Anyone else has the same experience?
brisk trail
All I do is dash
undone moon
If it works for you then I guess my timing was off
worthy egret
It didnt work for me
But i heard people say theres a second shockwave so i might have not dodged that? Idk
We talking about the MM version right
high island
@undone moon Divine Dash doesn't give you extra i-frames, and you can't deflect the shockwave, so Divine Dash makes no difference.
gusty slate
MM shockwave is a tough one to dodge x.x
high island
Also, doing an Attack during your dash will cancel your i-frames. Dash-Strikes don't have any invincibility.
So, you'll need to time a regular dash to get through.
undone moon
Hmm, it felt like I dashed through it and then right after I still got hit
high island
That will often happen if you press an Attack or something else immediately after your dash.
The best way typically to deal with that fight is to use a summon on the Skullcrusher's armor.
undone moon
I didn't do a conscious dash strike, and i didn't know that would affect my dash protection
Thanks for the info
high island
Final boss, by the way, is a spoiler.
high island
high island
I've double-dashed perfectly clean through that shockwave, pressed cast, and got hit by the shockwave that by the looks of it was way behind me.
outer comet
Yeah
Safest way I've found to dodge it is by trying not to dodge diagonally.
Just pierce right through.
undone moon
My apologies for the spoiler, but it seems you removed it 🙂
high island
I don't know if the hitbox is just that massive and doesn't disappear until it's gone or what, but I've learned to just not press anything after the dash.
outer comet
you
I assure you, that was neither of us. O' mod in the shadows, thank you.
high island
Not me. I'm not a mod. I have no such powers. 
outer comet
high island
outer comet
HEY
high island
🔫
gusty slate
narrow hemlock
i need a manual just to read this chat, jeez
high island
gusty slate
I just like using thanthink because he's adorable
narrow hemlock
oh to have a full set of hades themed emotes in that style
gusty slate
Only 150?
gusty slate
I request angry Hades emote
high island
The fact that we don't have 150 Sandra emoji is a crime.
outer comet
Agreed
brisk trail
Poll:
React with 👍 if I should keep playing and then delete my save and make a new one at 1.0. React with 👎 if I should play other games till 1.0, then delete my current save and play 1.0 when it comes out.
gusty slate
There are 3 save slots though?
gusty slate
Ah I see
unkempt sleet
I think you can rename the saves and it will just switch over
outer comet
Now people can just add their reacts on top of mine as a vote.
gusty slate
votes don't budge
brisk trail
I think you can rename the saves and it will just switch over
@unkempt sleet wdym
unkempt sleet
I'm not at my pc atm, but the save files should be numbered, so if you change the number you change the slot
You just need to go to your savefile folder, usually Documents/Saved Games/Hades
manic bobcat
Your save is named Profile1.sav in the above directory
To move it to slot 2, rename it to Profile2.sav
Reload the game load save slot 2 (yes, even if it shows empty and appears to be a new save), then choose give up, reload once more
Now the game should show your save in slot 2
So you don't need to delete anything.
summer dagger
is there a list somewhere with all the boons there are and their effects?
couldn't find them on the wiki
manic bobcat
What do you mean?
They are listed under each God
So there is no single page with all the boons
summer dagger
really? I'll check again, thanks
manic bobcat
But organized under each God
summer dagger
found them, thanks!
manic bobcat
Np!
summer dagger
I'm guessing the wiki lags behind with the info when there's an update, right?
manic bobcat
It's well updated now
summer dagger
or are they automatically extracted from the game somehow?
manic bobcat
They are done manually afaik
But it's updated for the recent update, maybe not entirely, but the core stuff is there.
narrow hemlock
all information is added manually by the community, people have been steadily updating stuff since the update
summer dagger
hmm alright, thanks again
dawn tiger
the cheat sheets aren't fully update yet
they still use the Nighty Night update boons
narrow hemlock
the boon tier charts peach made?
narrow hemlock
that was actually what i was referring to
dawn tiger
Arty's still lists Duo shot
manic bobcat
Yeah those are made by Peach xD
narrow hemlock
the new ones are being worked on
manic bobcat
It says info as of v.27191
dawn tiger
so it's mostly fine
manic bobcat
So you know which one is updated, which one is not
dawn tiger
as the only real big changes were to Duo Shot and the new conditions for fully loaded iirc
plus the new stuff for Poseidon
affecting boon progression
swift falcon
From what I can tell, the gods you can possibly encounter are set when the run starts right?
rough token
Mostly, yes
swift falcon
From the runs I’ve done I’ve noticed that there is a group of gods that’s basically locked in at the start
rough token
I believe there's a pool of 4-5 gods
dawn tiger
the seed isn't set in stone, factors within a fight affect it. Its why some runners cast in the first room
to change the rewards after the 1st door
swift falcon
Interesting
manic bobcat
You can get 4 different gods to show per run, keepsake notwithstanding
But you can get different set of gods even on the same seed
high island
Once you have boons from 4 gods, those 4 are the ones you'll see. I'm pretty sure if you see 4 but skip 1 of them, you can see a different one instead after that.
deep pivot
Updated diagrams will be done soon. 6 out of 9 already done.
rough token
Nice
shell ice
yeah its less "set by the seed" and more "set by the first boons you pick"
also note that Hermes does not count towards this
shell ice
his behaviour is unique
swift falcon
Because he doesn’t affect your core abilities
shell ice
its documented somewhere
high island
Also, if you see 4 in Tartarus but only pick 3 and you force a different one than those 4 in Asphodel, you'll only see the 4 you have, and the one you skipped will be out of the pool.
shell ice
Boons from Hermes function slightly differently to other Olympians. None of his boons occupy Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, or Call slots, as they are designed to be mixed with and support other gods' boons. In addition, none of Hermes' boons can be enhanced with a Pom of Power.
His boons are in a different item pool than other Olympian boons for the purposes of Fated Authority and Charon's shop. His boon can take priority in appearance even if one equips other gods' keepsake. Additionally, his boons will never spawn as the first chamber's reward or in mini-boss encounters. You can only obtain up to three of his boons in one run - with the third only available in Charon's shop in the Temple of Styx - and he never appears in a Trial of the Gods.
from the wiki
also worth noting that he doesn't have any duos
flat vapor
it's because hermes is special and cooler than the other gods
shell ice
i think the in-game-stated reason is that he's "less connected to olympus" or something
since he acts as a messenger and spends a lot of his time on psychopomp duties
hence he doesnt have any duos and his boons don't interact with the others
flat vapor
tbf, hermes has the special trait of being closer to the underworld than any other olympian
flat vapor
he's like a hammer that can talk
dawn tiger
yeah, like Hermes in Greek Myth is sometimes the one who drags Sysiphus back to the underworld after he avoids Hades and Thanatos by having his wife intentionally mess up his burial
shell ice
i wouldn't be surprised if we see Hermes in person at some point, seems more likely than the other olympians
dawn tiger
Hermes had a lot of Chthonic qualities in general
flat vapor
and besides, his general skillset fits more in line with being a support god, rather than a main one
rough token
"gotta go fast"
shell ice
i kinda wanna see how they'd design attack/special/cast/dash boons for Hermes
dawn tiger
lowkey the hardest working god, Hermes was straight hustling as a damn baby and swindled Apollo
flat vapor
i mean, he already has those
dawn tiger
kid was ice cold
shell ice
the current approach of just adding attack speed feels like it wouldnt really suffice for a full boon
dawn tiger
always looking for the next hustle
shell ice
not interesting enough
high island
I think the reason given in the game is basically "I'm Hermes. I show up where I want, when I want—always at the right place at the right."
shell ice
i guess the dash could just be the +dashes, it's powerful enough and changes gameplay enough to deserve the slot
and it'd probably be the best dash boon
but the others would need a bit more creativity i think
shell ice
yeah it works very similarly
manic bobcat
he's like a hammer that can talk
swift falcon
Lol missed that
shell ice
hermes is "soft capped" at 3 instead of 2+anvil
and doesnt show up as often in tartarus
but besides that theyre very similar
manic bobcat
Both Hammer and Hermes are capped at 3 though
heady elm
when a god shows up at the beginning to throw a big boon at you is it intended that you won't see them again or am i just really unlucky
manic bobcat
Anvil gives you 2 but takes away 1
dawn tiger
its all RNG
shell ice
yeah but i still see that as a difference worth noting
dawn tiger
sometimes you will have runs where you see the got a bunch of times in one region
manic bobcat
when a god shows up at the beginning to throw a big boon at you is it intended that you won't see them again or am i just really unlucky
@heady elm did you force that God?
heady elm
no i was trying to force a different god and then posiden just rolled in and gave me all epic options and then made it to 3rd boss without seeing him again
manic bobcat
high island
The god will show up again unless you somehow push them out of the pool. You'd have to be extremely unlucky for them to not show up. I don't know if there's a pseudo RNG that prevents the god from not showing up at all, but I generally don't see that happening.
swift falcon
Man it is frustrating when you reroll boons and 1 of the options is the exact same
narrow hazel
does darkness continually increase with heat levels? EG I beat all the bounties at heat 3 and now run it for darkness, will that give me more than a no heat run?
narrow hazel
gotta get those fated dice
high island
I think only if you have 5 different Olympian boons from forcing different gods, you'll push one of them out of the pool. Basically, the pool is limited to 4 gods whose boons you have. Might even be open to all 5 but RNG makes it very unlikely for all 5 to show up, but I think it's 4.
Been paying a lot more attention to that kind of stuff recently.
heady elm
how do you force a god out of the pool if you already have its boon?
high island
If you have 4 from Tartarus and force a different one in Asphodel, 1 of the 4 you picked up in Tartarus won't show up again.
heady elm
i guess i am asking how you force a new one in tartarus
heady elm
oh, i always figured they didn't work since i tried it once or twice and didnt get them
void vigil
you can also start with hammers
heady elm
might be like how the hammer can prevent the force in the beginning
alma you type to fast
void vigil
but the first boon you will get will be from that god, even if the first thing you got in a run wasnt a boon
high island
The first few runs in a new save have some scripted appearances from gods that you can't overwrite, but it will work for the next boon that's not scripted.
heady elm
ah
ya i started playing around with it sort of early so it messed up my assumptions of what worked
high island
Hammer can appear in Tartarus instead, Hermes in the other biomes.
void vigil
they always work, aside from in those scripted instances and when the first thing you get is a hammer
or hermes, yeah
bc he speedy
heady elm
so even if a hammer or hermes interupts the next god after that will still be forced?
void vigil
yep
high island
I'm not 100% sure about the 5th god pushing 1 out of the pool, it just seems like it works that way. I'm still learning to play the system myself.
void vigil
as long as you see the charge on the keepsake
heady elm
so could you get to all 7 gods with the right forces after each boss?
manic bobcat
Theoretically yeah
heady elm
there should be an achieve or special ability for doing so
high island
The keepsake will keep forcing the god for any future boons until you pick one up from that god (shops don't count) or switch keepsakes.
high island
Well, there's the Family Favorite mirror talent.
void vigil
i think at least one will always not show up, for theseus' call
high island
You'd have to force the last one after Theseus anyway.
high island
Theseus used to pick one at random if you had boons from every god before they added Lady Demeter.
But now you can't get all before him anyway, yeah.
void vigil
interesting
swift falcon
I’ve noticed in a few runs that some of my keepsakes were locked between realms, anyone know why that is?
manic bobcat
If you used them before, yoy can't repick them
swift falcon
Oh gotcha
undone moon
For me the keepsake picking system seems a bit weird: You can't repick a keepsake but you can keep 1 over multiple stages
Also once you pick lateron you can't repick if you made a mistake
high island
You can repick it if you change the game's code to let you repick it. Everything is possible if you set your mind to it.
void vigil
yeah, changing the keepsake is what makes it expire
undone moon
I mean the window where you switch a keepsake closes
void vigil
also, i think you cant repick because picking the collar and then exiting and picking something else used to restore your health
undone moon
I toke me a long time to understand that repicking between stages didn't have bad consequences
high island
I like it. Forces you to think about when to use what.
brisk trail
is it hard to brute-force the demeter legendary?
i keep trying but i end up on styx without a chance
undone moon
I feel it's not a user friendly solution. I hope they will adjust the code so you can repick as long as you don't exit the picking screen
brisk trail
yup
manic bobcat
Can be a problem with stuff like skelly, plume, butterfly etc
void vigil
i feel like its not that hard to get, ive gotten it many times without trying
brisk trail
hope i get it soon then
void vigil
its no chaos defiance thats for sure
manic bobcat
180 hours in, still don't know what that looks like xD
high island
There are some ways that you can build to greatly improve your odds of getting a specific legendary. One of the most important things is filling your core slots (except call) because those have priority when you're offered boons until you fill them.
void vigil
i have to say im glad i cleared the prophecies when i did, because a lot of boons and hammers got added to the game
rough token
Same xD
Though it would've been nice to still know which ones were new just by looking at them
void vigil
and now theres more..... it seems like i will never clear them 
high island
Another one is avoid t1 boons from her that aren't necessary for her legendary and that open up multiple other t2 boons—because that will just pollute her boon pool with stuff that isn't her legendary.
manic bobcat
There will be so much to do for a new Hell Mode save at 1.0
past mirage
Fated Authority is very useful if you want to gun for a certain legendary or duo. Especially if you still have a bunch of them in the Temple of Styx, the tunnel rewards become basically anything you want. I could clear all prophecies that way, before God's Legacy was even introduced.
burnt lantern
Isn't shield kind of broken?
past mirage
Broken-good or broken-bad?
shell ice
not really much different than just dashing out of the way
except its harsher on tight deadline
shield's blocking is handy but it's one of its more overrated qualities
which is understandable; it's a lot easier to use than well-timed dashes, so it's more intuitive as one is learning the game
burnt lantern
Yeah it helped me get to the end 2 times since I bought the game 2 days ago
shell ice
that said, aspect of chaos is probably the best aspect in the game
but that's because of the special
burnt lantern
Which weapon does aspect of chaos belong to?
shell ice
shied
flat vapor
shield
shell ice
after bull rushing, your next special throws more shields
brisk trail
it is fun
burnt lantern
Oh I read something like that. Must've missed the aspect name.
brisk trail
but i like the hidden one more
past mirage
After selecting a weapon, walk up to its spot and interact with it again. The aspect menu will open.
shell ice
fully upgraded, it throws 5 extra shields (so 6 total)
burnt lantern
Yeah I know about the aspect menu
shell ice
making your special 6x as effective is pretty good, it turns out
("6x as effective" is exaggeration but yeah)
burnt lantern
Appreciate the help though
shell ice
that said, i'm cool with chaos aspect being pretty overtuned just because it's a fairly unique gameplay style
none of the other aspects focus on the shield throw special
they either focus on attack or change the special
burnt lantern
Yeah the blitz one makes the shield throw go nuts
The Zagreus one just adds special and attack damage
Does anyone have tips for the final boss' second phase?
Those ghost urns are annoying
gusty slate
Saving call until second phase part 2, using ||bouldy||
burnt lantern
Haven't unlocked companions yet
shell ice
learn the animations; ||i find it easier than the first phase overall due to lack of invulnerability phases and the fact that there's only one thing to focus on||
gusty slate
I usually dash through urns and just keep moving tbh
void vigil
That’s a better question for #h1-builds-and-combat, btw, due to spoilers
burnt lantern
Isn't Sisyphus' companion called Shady?
gusty slate
Who now
burnt lantern
I keep hearing ||bouldy||
shell ice
||it summons bouldy.||
gusty slate
Something like that
burnt lantern
That's pretty cool
It does 1000 damage too right?
How much of the boss bar is that? Can use it to quick finish him when he's low enough
manic bobcat
Depends on the boss
burnt lantern
Talkin' about final boss
manic bobcat
Boss health: ||15-16k x2||
burnt lantern
BRUH
manic bobcat
Someone should confirm that, though
gusty slate
Wait is it really that much?
burnt lantern
Final boss is one motherfricker
manic bobcat
Someone datamined the info and posted it. That's the source, could be way off but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gusty slate
My DPS must be amazing then
burnt lantern
I wish I could refund my titan blood
gusty slate
Still farming that... only... 24 more runs till max bounties
burnt lantern
I fricking wasted all my Titan Blood on Varatha's Zagreus aspect
gusty slate
Proxy forgive us
Can beat with base weapons, don't think there is enough of the resource at that point in time anyways
burnt lantern
I misread and thought it gave plus damage to special and plus range and speed to attacks
Then after using all the blood it turns out all the bonuses are for the special only
Nearly gouged my eyes out
gusty slate
spear special is cool though
gusty slate
Yeah it sorta does, I need the hammer upgrade that gives it crit on return
gusty slate
There's a few Daedalus upgrades for the spear throw
burnt lantern
It's called "Vicious Skewer"
Wow that's really good damage
+50% damage and +%50% crit chance
Does that stack with Artemis?
That'd be OP
gusty slate
It's how I beat Redacted originally
I think it does stack
Geebus, why are you making poor Proxy work so hard?
burnt lantern
And if you can get some other boons for backstabs
Ez dmg
Oop I censored the space my bad
gusty slate
Hypnos does such a good job I gave 'em a place to sle- I mean sit comfortably while doing it
burnt lantern
Wdym
I always catch him lackin' at the corridor
His advice is as*s too
"Try not to step on the traps next time."
Thanks m8
gusty slate
I mean, he does have a point
brisk trail
if i were to replace flood shot with demeter cast would i still be able to use artemis duo with poseidon?
help
plis
gusty slate
Should be
gusty slate
I think that duo works on all the casts?
brisk trail
decided not to gamble and im picking the dash
gusty slate
Ok, I personally prefer flood shot with ||dem pos duo||
burnt lantern
I've been wondering how many hammers it's possible to encounter per run
brisk trail
2
burnt lantern
: |
brisk trail
lmao you deleted it
gusty slate
Well, technically 3
burnt lantern
Oh that's cool now
brisk trail
yeah you can get 3 with || the forge at the end||
burnt lantern
Oh Charon sells them?
gusty slate
He can, but ||he sometimes sell a forge at the end that lets you have 3 hammergrades||
gusty slate
It's risky though.
burnt lantern
How much does that cost?
brisk trail
||charon has a chance to sell them if yyou miss one||
brisk trail
costs like 200 tho
gusty slate
They're so bloody expensive if you miss em 
burnt lantern
Interesting
brisk trail
yeah pokeuser
burnt lantern
I never miss hammers
worthy egret
I do sometimes
burnt lantern
I'd hammer my head on the keyboard if I did
worthy egret