There's a tiny delay between getting hit and explosion with the flame wheels
#h1-discussion
ancient tundra
But yeah, kiting is probably your best but not fastest option
Its easier if you have a dash boon that damages enemies, just be sparing with your dashes
I feel like that's not very good advice haha...
keen talon
does deflecting strike give you flamewheel immunity
sick folio
sometimes when using fists, i get a hammer that allows my special to deflect. i can kill those little chariots to deflect the explosion
keen talon
it feels like it does
urban forum
I feel like the deflect dodge at least doesnt give immunity
potent salmon
Hi
When there are achievements, will those I made in early access be added?
sorry if my english is not correct
sharp parcel
there has been no mention of achievements so far
however, the game does keep track of the various things you've done, including fulfilling the prophecies
which basically act as in-game achievements
narrow hemlock
im sure if theres steam achievements for any prophecies and such, many of those should be retroactive, since theres no getting them again without starting a new file. im sure stuff like that has been under consideration by the team 
wont know til 1.0 though
sharp parcel
I've no doubt they'd be retroactive
fiery pebble
So, one of the buffs the benefits package can give is speed, huh
And of course, the hot wheels get it
Fun
sick folio
the binding of isaac makes nearly all achievements retroactive when they release expansions. the only ones that aren't are ones that can be completed again (beat a boss x amounts of times). i'm sure thus will be the case with hades
narrow hemlock
wouldnt be surprised, many prophecies were retroactive
amber valve
is anyone else getting small hades updates whenever they restart steam?
narrow hemlock
theres been periodic fixes, yes
amber valve
ok just wondering, thanks
narrow hemlock
theyve been sending out a few small patches a day since the update went out
river zinc
on 103 runs and Chaos' legendary boon is the only thing in the prophecy list I haven't come across yet. And (searching on reddit etc) looks like it's random without any prerequisites unlike the rest boons
How long did it take for those who got it?
thorny patio
lol, beat ||asterius|| with ||lucifer|| gun + frost attack and he just got stuck in death animation
and took some chill damage for a while
until he like walked into a wall, the door opened, shut again, and he the phased through the door
carmine pecan
use spoiler tags please
harsh onyx
Do you have to be using the respective weapons to get the conversations to unlock their new aspects?
clever solstice
you have to invest some blood into them, i think 5 for each? and then just get friendly (give nectar) to the respective person that initiates the conversation and wait for them to talk about it
make sure to have || guan yu|| before all this tho
harsh onyx
Hmmph. I've met all those conditions. No luck yet though.
clever solstice
im actually not sure if || anybody but the gods|| needs nectar for them to tell you but i do remember for sure || artemis || not telling me jack until i gave her stuff
just keep playing and youll eventually get it if youve met the conditions, sometimes it takes a while because of RNG or other convos they have that get priority for whatever reason
narrow hemlock
the aspect dialogue are not locked behind affection whatsoever
fiery pebble
Does the random swap from the hammer count for the achievement?
raw cape
What are the new requirements for Artemis's Legendary
fiery pebble
Huh, looks that way
Neat
Thanks
Damn, I think I played Hades for so much already that I still am a bit burnt out on it
Even though I havent played in a while
sharp parcel
they added stuff but the game is mechanically the same
I feel the same way
at least the new rail aspect is fun
carmine pecan
Is a rogue like
trim surge
Poms feel pretty weak
sharp parcel
it's in the patch notes
carmine pecan
What
fiery pebble
Yeah but
carmine pecan
Poms?
fiery pebble
I was playing bow, I had aspects unlocked, and I still got nothing from Artemis
carmine pecan
Are y’all talking bout those pomegranates
sharp parcel
you got a bunch of other dialogues queued up
carmine pecan
Or something different
sharp parcel
have to squeeze those out first
sharp parcel
once the queue is empty you meet the requirements, she'll drop the line
harsh onyx
Yeah I dunno, I've gotten generic dialogue from Zeus and Artemis about 8 times from each
sharp parcel
are you 100% sure it was generic?
harsh onyx
"Hey Zagreus, your not alone down there!" was the one I just got
sharp parcel
that is generic
thorny patio
I had to meet the gods several times as well to clear up new dialogue options before they gave their passphrases
harsh onyx
Plus I've had repeated lines
sharp parcel
have you met the requirements outlined in the patch notes?
harsh onyx
I've gotten all the other aspects unlocked
sharp parcel
if you still can't get em after a few runs, hit F10 and report it
I got em right away myself but who knows, maybe a particular trigger is borked on your end
it happened before
harsh onyx
Lucky me 
narrow hemlock
make sure you meet the minimum titan blood requirements per weapon
sometimes that bit is overlooked
carmine pecan
I hate the guns reload mechanic
If you keep clicking with no ammo
It won’t reload the ammo
crisp spruce
hey how do I get a ||Charon|| fight? his gold bag doesnt show up anymore after i beat him once
devout bridge
@carmine pecan Zag aspect is pretty good across the board for all weapons and is the cheapest to level since it only takes 5 total Bloods to reach max rank. All of the zag aspects don't change how the weapon is used, but gives a more passive buff to each. Certainly the double ammo for Exagryph is nice
thorny patio
We used to play with only the zag aspects
carmine pecan
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fiery pebble
Id argue the Zag aspect on bow is the best one
devout bridge
@fiery pebble I certainly used it more than any other. Simple +10% crit. But the bow was always my least favorite weapon. Having fun now with the 4th aspect
daring hull
same xD
fiery pebble
Its my personal favourite actually
carmine pecan
Like why is the bow special so Dudu
fiery pebble
And I think the base one is best because I think the gimmicks make the weapon worse
Regular bow does more damage than special bow
And I prefer having the utility of the casts
deep pivot
@devout bridge Don't share spoiler material here. Please do so in #h1-story-discussion
lament canyon
Uhh, question. Does the speed boost from the Lambent Plume stay with you after you swap it out? Or do you only get the speed while you have it on you
lament canyon
mmm, gotcha
raw cape
@sharp parcel unless I'm blind the patchnotes just say cast bonus ammo is reduced and the reqirements have changed. Not what the required boons are.
carmine pecan
How to get roles in this server?
devout bridge
@deep pivot My apologies. I didn't think I was being explicit. Will be more careful in the future.
carmine pecan
Like the hades role
alpine mural
is there a way without physically counting to tell how many rooms in a set floor you have gone through?
carmine pecan
No
alpine mural
:/
deep pivot
is there a way without physically counting to tell how many rooms in a set floor you have gone through?
@alpine mural Open the boon menu. Chamber number will be on the top right corner.
spare harbor
Can just open up the boon menu to see the chamber number
alpine mural
oh nice 🙂 thanks
sharp parcel
@raw cape you used to need Exit Wounds and Dual Shot for the legendary
sharp parcel
Dual Shot is a duo boon now, so you only need Exit Wounds for it
alpine mural
is there a set number for when each boss is?
of rooms
where could I find that info
crisp spruce
i feel like there should be, I seems to be able to tell how close am i to a boss after a couple hundred run
boss is always before a shop too, and there are only 2 shop per zone
deep pivot
where could I find that info
@alpine mural They are in specific room numbers but I can't remember quite well the numbers. I will do a run and update you on that 👍
carmine pecan
Lol
sharp parcel
the number could go higher if you pick Chaos/Erebus instead of the pre-boss room
crisp spruce
what if there is a disguised room that just take you to hades
sharp parcel
you mean a room that takes you...home?
crisp spruce
i for once would like a Erebus room that has every single boss that cost 30 heats to enter
hollow heron
Pls no
deep pivot
By the way, for Fully Loaded to appear now you'll need 2 of these:
- Hunter's Mark
- Exit Wounds
- Support Fire
@sharp parcel @raw cape
sharp parcel
yes, -1 cast
hollow heron
Yes
deep pivot
It gives +2 bloodstones now.
alpine mural
hm
thorny patio
Too strong with the regen cast variation I take it?
sharp parcel
well, I suppose mark and support fire are decent options if you're not using Poseidon or Hera
variety!
alpine mural
so in that count of chambers before the boss room chaos is included in that number?
crisp spruce
chaos and erebus should not count
sharp parcel
Chaos is a room, so yes
crisp spruce
nvm then
sharp parcel
same with Erebus
alpine mural
I always felt it was a specific number it's good to confirm finally
sharp parcel
it replaces a room, but if you take either of those before the pre-boss room, then it extends the number of rooms
alpine mural
nice so a kind of free room
sharp parcel
cause you can't skip the pre-boss room
alpine mural
but can you skip the boss room?
sharp parcel
yes, by selecting Give Up from the pause menu
alpine mural
haha
sharp parcel
it's a shortcut back home
alpine mural
thanks for the info
crisp spruce
Arthur for life
dawn tiger
Sword is pretty dope
Zag aspect Stygius is honestly my most played weapon
Even though it’s the pumpkin spice late of aspects
serene obsidian
I think my favorite new boon, going by names only..... .side hustle
sharp parcel
it's just so good
carmine pecan
I read that wrong
sharp parcel
provided you didn't buy it with gold
sharp parcel
yep
crisp spruce
i wanna fight cerberus, damn it
narrow hemlock
but why
steep nymph
wow the heat timer is rude ! forced to finish the run to 24mn . stressed entire run
fiery pebble
I still think fully loaded is a very boring legendary
final grail
Is there a way to check which boon abilities you have in a run at any given time?
safe yoke
oh boy i LOVE it when i just do a run for poops and laughs and hen i somehow get 15+ boon and end up at the final stage
carmine pecan
you could fight cerberus?
crisp spruce
@final grail it's the button bound to Boon Info in the controls setting
final grail
Oh sweet
fiery pebble
Dont think of it as a fight
Think of it as playing ... fetch
You throw arrows, and he catches them
With his body
Jokes aside, you cant fight cerberus
Yet
narrow hemlock
its not gonna happen lol
safe yoke
if we ever fight cerb we riot
narrow hemlock
rigging cerb to perform in a fight is a lot more difficult than having him sit or ||animating charon for his fight||
crisp spruce
ok then I want Cerberus as a summon
safe yoke
i STILL have yet to fight him
narrow hemlock
all summon slots are taken already
crisp spruce
when you summon him he do nothing except sitting there like a good boi
deep pivot
@amber rampart I was thinking about the same thing! Great feedback in my opinion 
carmine pecan
@narrow hemlock pretty easy to expand it and add a new one lmao
narrow hemlock
but thats not planned for 1.0
fiery pebble
Well, Hestia appears to be busted as hell still
narrow hemlock
whats the issue with it 0:
carmine pecan
hestia?
carmine pecan
you mean the aspect?
dawn tiger
Plz add grandma Rambo
carmine pecan
what is that
fiery pebble
I believe its a humerous way of describing Hestia
Since she is a grandmotherly figure who happened to use a rocket launcher/machine gun hybrid
narrow hemlock
oh i wouldnt know, havent used hestia in ages lol. i dont really run rail much bc its not enjoyable for me on controller
i have to switch to kbm when i wanna do rail runs
carmine pecan
huh
narrow hemlock
i just dont like the way it controls, too janky for my liking
fiery pebble
Its just easy all the way through
Yeah thats fair
I just like that I need 1 boon
And the run is already won
crisp spruce
i wanna fight nyx
i wanna fight Chaos
i wanna fight doggy
i wanna fite
carmine pecan
fight the chef
safe yoke
why
fiery pebble
Like, get an Aphrodite Attack boon on Rail, and youre set
safe yoke
why is it on the run i dont feel like trying i make it to the end
now i gotta fight him
fiery pebble
I just had a run where its basically the only thing I got
Still finished the run with 2 death defiances left
carmine pecan
why aphro on rail u set
fiery pebble
And I only lost the one because I forgot what button Call was bound to
carmine pecan
what boons
fiery pebble
Aphrodite attack boon, thats all you need on maxed out Hestia rail
Aphrodite specifically because she has the highest % upgrade from the attack boon
Artemis is probably slightly higher DPS at max, but its unreliable
But yeah, one attack boon and you hit easily upwards of 300 per reloaded shot
carmine pecan
i love the aphrodite call
dawn tiger
Yeah, Hestia rail is basically Eris but way less jank
Turns out reloading is much easier than having to explode yourself with your own special
fiery pebble
Way more powerful, because it changes the base damage
Which means its multiplicative
dawn tiger
Wait, damn
fiery pebble
150 base damage, so 100% extra damage is 300
dawn tiger
No wonder Aphro is so good on it
fiery pebble
Yup
fiery pebble
The biggest increases in damage are ones that affecte base damage
safe yoke
anyone know what im missing from this list or where theyre located at:
||dire inferno bomber
doomstone
wretched sneak
dire voidstone
megagorgon
dire skullcrusher
dire spreader
dire soulcatcher
???
???
???
dire saytr cultist||
fiery pebble
Oh yeah, were missing the fist aspect
Hopefully its a good one, I dont like the fists right now
nimble ocean
i don't see Poseidon much since previous update
Zeus, on the other hand, became much more common
hearty torrent
@safe yoke You're missing three Dire encounters in Styx. Just keep running those Elite wings.
fiery pebble
Fists are just less interesting sword tbqh
I wished they would be a big comboing weapon
But nah
fiery pebble
Thats not really a combo
I wanted something like attack attack special doing something different from just regular special
You know, various combo-strings you can flow between
safe yoke
man you actually count your button presses? i just spam and pray for stunlock
late game consists of not only spamming attack but
ALSO dash
high level gameplay right there
and lol i JUST got a Poseidon drop
fiery pebble
I mean right now I dont
But if the weapon had that, I would
I just think the weapon as it is is kind of half-baked
safe yoke
so should i get RAZOR SHOALS or EXCLUSIVE ACCESS
desert nebula
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313009326102937600/725862218079535194/20200626015412_1.jpg
I lost one life on this chamber. Any suggestions?
(Bow it was.)
desert nebula
The first one.
fiery pebble
Thats why I dont like the "x hits negated" heat option
desert nebula
The default bow.
sharp parcel
yeah, nothing to be done
fiery pebble
Your best bet was probably to just spam uncharged dash attack til you get rid of the damage shields
sharp parcel
maybe having Dio would've helped a bit to stave off the shields
fiery pebble
Then try to line them up with a charged dash attack to kill em
desert nebula
Damage control was off tho.
@uno
sharp parcel
well, yes, the shields came from the Benefits Package
trim surge
imagine this but with even more blue hearts, more enemies and you have to sell your boons
high heat simply aint fun for me
32 heat is something you do out of curiosity for the trophy and probably never touch again
north nymph
Someone help me. I've spent maybe my last 20 or so runs trying to get fully loaded and cant. I get multiple of the boons required for the multi-shot boon but it never shows up.
desert nebula
I never had it either actually.
fiery pebble
I like high heat, but not all options are equal
I tend to not use anything that makes enemies take longer to kill
Since that just makes them bullet spongy
I prefer maxing out on enemy damage and speed
light estuary
after this new steam update, i need hades avatars
desert nebula
That's actually the opposite of what I take 😄
fiery pebble
I mean, everyone has their own preference
I just think challenge is at its best when its just the same length, but more intense
When every error can get you killed quickly
sick folio
my game has updated like 3 times today, anyone else's?
desert nebula
I had some few recently, yes.
brisk trail
guys to i get Rama Aspect i need to have all bow aspects maxed?
crisp spruce
now I really want an MMORPG version of Hades
crisp spruce
co-op hades would be the dream, but sadly that's not Supergiant's style
manic bobcat
How would coop work?
fiery pebble
Thats odd then, because I have the requirements for the aspects
But Im not getting the dialogue
crisp spruce
Zagaerus and his long lost twin brother, obviously, unless we're going the full alternate character route, you can have the 2nd player be Thanatos
fiery pebble
Other than shield I guess
sick folio
imagine a coop where Zag and Thanatos are in an arena fighting infinite waves of enemies. Thanatos could be reworked to be less op since he would be a player. every couple waves, charon would appear selling items, then after 30sec or so, he disappears, and the next wave would begin. it goes till the players die
fiery pebble
I dont think Ive invested any titan bloods into shield because none of the aspects are worth unlocking or upgrading
amber rampart
I would love a SGG co-op game to play with the friends who got me into these games in the first place, but I don't really see Hades working for that tbh
sick folio
aspect of zues is good unovven
crisp spruce
@fiery pebble Beowulf aspect with charged flight one-shotting every is pretty fun
make me feel like a sniper
hollow heron
Zeus is pretty dece
fiery pebble
I just didnt want to unlock it because its pretty meh til maxed out
And I only have so many titan bloods
stable jungle
I am a big fan of the Chaos shield
hollow heron
Chaos shield is just busted
fiery pebble
Also I would probably still forget to use the special while zoomin around
stable jungle
The AOE is fun. And Chaos occasionally talks to you through it!
brisk trail
Aspect of Chaos is widely considered in some parts of the community the best in the game.
fiery pebble
And I have always disagreed with that opinion
hollow heron
And also loads of damage
fiery pebble
Though I have heard its optimal in speedrunning
flat vapor
it's very strong but it's not as busted as it was
fiery pebble
I just think shields special is worthless
And even having 5 of them doesnt make it worthwhile without specific combinations
fiery pebble
Ive played with ares special shield before
Tiny bit safer than regular build, way slower
sharp parcel
then you'd want Athena attack with it, and then the duo
fiery pebble
I think that was the only time I had a 40+ minute run
brisk trail
I much prefer Dionysus and Zeus than Ares, but with Ares you just get Merciful End with Divine Dash.
sharp parcel
at which point you're a pain train
hollow heron
Shield special is honestly pretty good
fiery pebble
Yeah with specific boons its good I imagine
brisk trail
But Merciful End is silly on anything that can quickly apply Doom.
fiery pebble
But thats too much of an investment and highroll
sharp parcel
lol no
fiery pebble
For something that isnt very fun
fiery pebble
I know
sharp parcel
you can force stuff, man
brisk trail
Tell you what, UNOvven. I'll stream an Aspect of Chaos run, we'll see how long it takes me.
fiery pebble
I still fail to get the builds I want quite often
So Id rather have an aspect I know is guaranteed to be good
Rather than one that is good with the right boons and awful without them
Though I guess, its still the baseline shield without the boons
sharp parcel
have you tried using Fated thing that allows you to reroll boons?
fiery pebble
You can just build for bull rush and be effective there
Fated Authority?
Ive not used the flipside yet, no
sharp parcel
I don't remember which one it is
fiery pebble
Dont value it as much
sharp parcel
the one that rerolls boons
fiery pebble
Thats the flipside
sharp parcel
I used to be like you, a non-believer
fiery pebble
Fated Persuasion
sharp parcel
rerolling doors
brisk trail
Fated Authority is still good.
sharp parcel
thinking my salvation lies behind em
fiery pebble
I prefer rerolling doors
sharp parcel
but I saw the light as I started rerolling boons
fiery pebble
For my playstyle, its better, especially since you get more rerolls at max
sharp parcel
you get more door rerolls because boon rerolls is the nuts
I want Zeus attack on my rail
I start with Zeus keepsake, get his boon, reroll until I get attack, I won the run
deep pivot
@fiery pebble @brisk trail I had a run with Aspect of Chaos + Underworld Customs + Approval Process 2. So overall, it is a great weapon
fiery pebble
I mean, if works for everyone else, thats cool
deep pivot
I was about to send the links to Pear just now 
fiery pebble
Some people also enjoy fists, and I dont
sharp parcel
say, are you also using Privileged Status over Family Favorite?
fiery pebble
But I think shields special is far and away the worst attack out of all of them
Hm
I think I picked Family Favourite?
sharp parcel
you're better than me in that regard
carmine pecan
what is a weapons dark thirst?
sharp parcel
took me a looooong time to realize that FF was better
fiery pebble
Gives you more darkness I believe
carmine pecan
ah
brisk trail
They nerfed Family Favorite recently.
deep pivot
It's a buff that gives you +20% Darkness in your whole run.
brisk trail
There's plenty of reason to take Privileged Status still.
fiery pebble
Oh, thats what gave me dodges
sharp parcel
it's still good tho, even at 25%, which is the standard amount with 4 guaranteed gods + Hermes
brisk trail
Yeah, of course.
sharp parcel
and you can force a couple more gods on top for that 35%, if you feel like it
or even 40% if you get 4 gods in Tartarus
fiery pebble
I used to run High Confidence as well
But I wasnt sure if it was multiplicative or additive
And I kept getting hit
So Im back on thick skin
sharp parcel
nah, I wrote that one off on the spot. HP is just too valuable
sharp parcel
Guan Yu teaches you that HP > damage
rough token
I've been running HC recently, because I forgot to switch it back after a challenge run. It's not too bad
Nah
I did a min-health GY run
fiery pebble
Guan Yu teaches you that trading HP for damage is awesome
rough token
o7
sharp parcel
but losing the damage bonus from the talent in one hit, along with your Death Defiance, certainly isn't
rough token
I mean
fiery pebble
Just dont get hit?
rough token
That's why I got a perfect clear on final boss xD
I did lose two DD to the new boss
sharp parcel
that's too big brained for my shielded mind
rough token
Oh, I definitely prefer shield
sharp parcel
I've played so much Chaos shield that not getting hit feels wrong
rough token
Hahaha
sharp parcel
hit and block, that is
rough token
Chaos Shield has been my most consistent No Core Boons weapon
sharp parcel
and they added a hammer that grants you a 20% damage bonus to everything for 10 seconds on block
rough token
I stand by Minotaur Rush + Charged Shot
sharp parcel
I've neither the patience nor precision to time that
sharp parcel
me am block, me am charge, me am choo choo
fiery pebble
Actually, does anyone know if high confidence is multiplicative or additive?
rough token
No idea
hearty torrent
Red shade is just lovely
hollow heron
Yoo
fiery pebble
I tried looking in the files to see if High Confidence is multiplicative
And I realised I forgot how to read any of this
carmine pecan
hm god gauge 1% per 2 seconds is pretty useful
just dash and avoid enemies and when gauge full attack with calls
safe yoke
ph i had that
i also had increase starting gauge too
i was spaming god gauge during boss fights
or even normal fight
sharp parcel
just check on Skelly with a weapon that does 10 damage, with the talent on/off
sharp parcel
High Confidence is what, 20% bonus?
fiery pebble
Since multiplicative and additive would be the same on an unmodified weapon
Although
I have an idea
fiery pebble
Its additive
If I use Distant Memory, a powershot does 78
If I add High Confidence, its 93
Thats a damage boost of 15, which is 25% of the base 60
So its just legitimately not good
sharp parcel
well, there you have it
sharp parcel
quite a few of em in Hades: talents, boons, hammers, even weapons and their aspects
pity
vapid grove
||Infernal troves|| give upgraded rewards?
rough token
as in, darkness gives || bonus max health? || I don't believe so
vapid grove
are you answering my question @rough token ?
rough token
yes
orchid zealot
they do give upgraded, yes
vapid grove
thanks
vapid grove
Jesus christ... ||"Requires 15 heat"|| lol
orchid zealot
like how the more expensive options in area 4 are upgraded versions
rough token
I'll pay more attention to that next run. It has been a few days now since I've played
vapid grove
Do you guys use weapons based on dark thirst?
rough token
sometimes ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vapid grove
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fiery pebble
Depends
Usually yes
But sometimes Im in the mood for a particular weapon, and sometimes the weapon that has dark thirst are the gauntlets
In that case, no
vapid grove
When you take a boon for a special/cast/attack is the next boon = chance to have an option to take over that other one?
Like if I take Ares Special is it less likely to get Aphrodite Special after that?
or same chance of getting Aphrodite Attack
vapid grove
Hunters mark with ||chaos aspect for the shield affect everyone hit by every shield?||
hearty torrent
While I believe it might be less likely, they can still be offered as replacements for +1 Rarity. Especially so in Trial of the Gods rooms.
hollow charm
@vapid grove considering ||all the shields are affected when you use the lightning and doom affects I would ||assume
hollow charm
That really is some banger customer support
manic bobcat
ikr
hollow charm
@vapid grove if you don’t wanna mark stuff as spoiler you could also ask this in the spoiler chat
Hades has become a morning routine at this point
The game is amazing and the developers are so consistently exceptional
slow snow
One thing I really like about this game is everyone has a different nickname for zagreus
godling, nephew, coz, cousin, o' son of hades, the hades kid, zag, highness, prince,
impertinent fool
sick folio
i finally beat ||charon|| in tartarus without using any of my DDs! took a few hits, other than that it was a great fight. used the fists with max zag aspect btw
rough token
o7 nice job!
sick folio
i feel like im finally starting to learn the fight!
slow snow
redblood
sick folio
i haven't gotten it myself yet, but i know you need to romance her. have you done that?
sick folio
is her affinity gauge full?
rough token
I'd go to #h1-story-discussion for talking about that
calm laurel
I saw that
deep pivot
@slow snow Watch your language and tone. Bear in mind rule n°2.
slow snow
can I censor the bad word and repost it
deep pivot
No.
livid cargo
Ugh, I need to play the update
calm laurel
first time?
livid cargo
I miss the gold old days when there werent so many aspects so I didn't need to unlock them all
wind igloo
Getting the blood for it all can take a while, whatever route you take for it
slow snow
Im sad I made that meme and can't even share it
sick folio
dm it to me!
slow snow
done
hollow heron
I miss the old days when there weren't aspects and were 4 weapons 
slow snow
"Golly I sure wish this game had less content"
hollow heron
Oh and only 2 zones
slow snow
so that reroll thing in the mirror
is there a hard cap on how many times you can upgrade it
or does it just keep getting more expensive
rough token
authority is 10, persuasion I think is 4 or 5?
slow snow
I think it would be cool if they just kept getting exponentially more expensive
slow snow
is there a way to hide vers number?
sick folio
heightened security makes late game traps SO deadly
sick folio
yeah, they do a LOTTTTT
unreal lance
What does the calculated risk duo boon do again?
brisk trail
Slows all enemy projectiles by 40%.
unreal lance
ah, got it. so it was switched around from spent spirit
brisk trail
Yup.
steel sandal
Somebody know how to get 4th aspect of rail?
flat vapor
there's a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
sand stump
Lmao hitting ||Sans|| in ||Tartarus|| seriously end you run
rough token
It can, not always
raw cape
Has anyone felt like the new Guan Yu hitbox has terrible registration? Multiple times I have felt like the indicator is right over an enemy but no damage
raw cape
I noticed for mid range people too.
It almost feels like the opposite of the old hitbox lmao. Narrower than the indicator rather than larger
manic bobcat
Yeah you are not the only one who notices. Some others and I myself did as well.
Just F10 in game, SGG is very responsive with fixes
I wouldn't be surprised if it was fixed already with the latest 20MB something patch
raw cape
👍
terse geyser
yeah, it's pretty inconsistent, but it always hits on the left indicator line
in my experience
slow snow
anyone else sad about the dark regen nerf
marsh jackal
I'm sad but I thought it was by far the best especially when you get those darkness chests, if you happen to have a chaos boon for darkness increase or dark thirst it had hte potential to heal for over 100 hp
obsidian pulsar
Oh what happened to it?
marsh jackal
Has a lower hp convert rate so it's less strong
rough token
60% instead of 80%, iirc
marsh jackal
I tried a erebus room in elysium and by god I regretted doing it, I thought what's the worst thing that can happen and felt like doing it because i haven't tried a erebus room in several months
flaming chariots around 8
megagorgon
elite butterfly
Yes it makes chthonic vitality more apppealing but I'd still take the darkness heal
obsidian pulsar
Butterfly chariots?
I'm just imagining the soulcatchers riding round in a ||Macedonian Tau-Lambda|| now
buoyant merlin
small update today, anyone know what for?
obsidian pulsar
Spewing butterflies everywhere as they go
buoyant merlin
cool
marsh jackal
sorry butterfly chariots was a mixup by me
rough token
Mmm, I feel like that chariot name should be spoiler tagged? not sure
buoyant merlin
taste the power of my stand: ||Butterfly chariot-o||
obsidian pulsar
@rough token done :)
obsidian pulsar
True!
rough token
probably the loudest I laughed while playing
rough token
beautiful :D
marsh jackal
I made a mistake of thinking I could take all 3 boss variations with zeus shield
I did not realize how hard 3rd boss variation would be with zeus shield
inland shell
does anyone have a source or know the phrases Zagreus says ||to unlock each future aspect?||
rough token
check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
deep pivot
I think they wanted the phrases Zagreus says to unlock the Aspects like || Lucifer's: "I see you fall from heaven yada yada"||
@narrow hemlock
Maybe they have it.
deep pivot
I will include them when I get them 
inland shell
Hm, thank you
narrow hemlock
uhh I am actually in bed and was about to sleep and happened to notice my phone had a notif lmao if you haven't gotten them by the morning I will do that
I think I have a couple in a dm somewhere but it's not all of them
inland shell
Thanks, I appreciate it and will keep looking until you get to them!
narrow hemlock
I actually had everything but rail lines when I did a search so that's convenient
pinged in spoilers, if no one gives you rail later I'll grab it but otherwise gn 👋
inland shell
oh thanks Ill check it out!
vague zinc
Anyone know how to unlock the new fated list with poseidon asking you to defeat theseus?
rough token
talk to poseidon, other than that no
@stray hatch you can press f10 in game to report a bug
crimson canopy
oh you got to be joking... the one duo boon I still need to get is demeter x aphrodite - have 2 demeter boons, 1 aphro boon, and 1 athena boon. Just got the aphro x athena duo and the demeter x athena duo in two rooms HOORAY
Both from the non athena god 🙃
rough token
real solstice
Okay, thanks!
rough token
Sure thing!
high island
@crimson canopy only sticking to those two in your run or combinations that don't give you a Duo will make it a lot easier to find the Duo. 
sinful pine
random question: did a scroll get removed from the decoration shop? i remember there being achilles and one more, it's just achilles now
crimson canopy
AFAIK there are (at least) 3 scrolls for Zag's room though they might be tied to relationship levels or something? I know ||aphrodite|| has a scroll and I think ||dionysus|| too - definitely have one hanging in my room and 2 offered by the contractor.
@high island had to grab athena boon and she only offered attack/cast/dash boon 😦
sharp parcel
there's ||Achilles|| scroll, too
kindred onyx
I haven't given aphrodite a second nectar but still got her scroll
Dionysis is a husbando tho
high island
I want more pictures in the East Wing, but Wall-Scrolls work, too.
sharp parcel
I think we have enough portraits and landscapes, I'd rather have some more space to hang em around
would personally love to be able to hang all biome landscapes
high island
@deep pivot let her fly away. She's going on an adventure. 
deep pivot
She's dead
high island
sharp parcel
high island
Mmm-mm-mmurrrdderrrerrrr!!!
What if Tisiphone is best friends with the Megagorgon.
And that's what she means.
eternal helm
sullen rampart
Is there some condition i need to meet to be able to gift hades a second time? or is that not added to the game yet?
sharp parcel
not available yet
sinful pine
ok
i made it through the 3rd boss ||asterius and theseus|| for the first time ever
and i instantly made it to ||hades|| right after that
i was so close, less than 50% left but didn't have any coin for death defiances
sharp parcel
come on, dude
deep pivot
Keep it up! After every attempt you get closer
sinful pine
though tbh
||asterius theseus|| felt way harder than ||hades|| imo
could've been just that i had a really, really strong run
sharp parcel
when you said 50% left, did you mean 50% of the first HP bar or total?
unkempt sleet
He deals twice as much damage as T&A though, and that spin attack is huge
sharp parcel
exactly
sinful pine
what do you mean
sharp parcel
unkempt sleet
Gee, don't spoil the surprise
deep pivot
Good job, Zepp 
sharp parcel
he dissed the old man, I couldn't help it
unkempt sleet
Welcome to the best way to get gems
ancient tundra
It feels like the amount of gems you can fish got nerfed
Also, good day or night to everyone!
sinful pine
by the way, what do i do with ambrosia?
sharp parcel
same thing as nectar
ancient tundra
You give the ambrosia to NPCs
sinful pine
good day/night (what is it down here anyways) to you as well
unkempt sleet
You wait and gift it when you really need it
sharp parcel
it's a bit different
ancient tundra
It unlocks more dialogue with people
unkempt sleet
In some cases,yeah
sinful pine
so i give it to whoever i like the most
ancient tundra
For some characters though, you might unlock other things that go in your closet
fleet hedge
Oh, about the fishies. I got 150+, but Poseidon ignores me and the Fates Prophesy. No need to give them away and pile up to 50 and then it will work or i encounter a bug?
sharp parcel
with ambrosia?
ancient tundra
Is dio zag's uncle or cousin?
sharp parcel
cousin
ancient tundra
Like he's mostly sloshed?
ancient tundra
Yeah he's great
bitter valve
He sounds so relaxed
sand stump
So those who doesnt give you a companion, is there benefit to give them extra nectar beyond the 1st one? Or just extra dialog?
sharp parcel
new story, new quests
sand stump
Oh , nice
marsh jackal
is it me or is the spawn rate of|| tiny vermin|| higher in this patch? I encountered it once in all of my runs
then this patch I play and I've encountered it 3/4 times in two days
mystic nexus
Hey, not to ask a stupid question
But which chambers are the boss fights in?
Like, numerically?
hearty torrent
Furies: 15
Bone Hydra: 24
Champions: 36
Final Boss: Varies (51-70)
rough token
Those can also be potentially +1 room if you get Chaos right before the boss
alpine mural
has anyone heard of the % chance to have the ||steal option|| appear for charon?
vernal radish
Just got to Asphodel.....
And everything is finally staying
so
Damn
SMOOTH
gone are the days of everything beyond Tartarus with dropped frames
Am happ
safe yoke
@mystic nexus i had a bad one yesterday
-46% movement for 4 encounter for a boost in attack
mystic nexus
OOF
safe yoke
my 2nd encounter was the tartarsauce boss
safe yoke
i lost all my deathdefiants
mystic nexus
Better luck next run
that's the nice thing about roguelikes.
There's always another run.
safe yoke
i had to take a break yesterday cause i was somehow getting progressivly worse
started that night getting all the way to the end
ended that night dieing to the first boss
ancient tundra
that sounds like nap time
ancient tundra
sleeping is just a really long nap
safe yoke
its real big think hours now
getting my list ready for the QA
i think 90% of shall be asking for DUSA plush
lol naw. i got just basic questions about the future of the game stuff like cosmetics newer weapons and newer gods and such.
cyan umbra
I'd like a dusa plush
void vigil
the roadmap in game might answer some of those questions about the future of the game
safe yoke
is it on the discord page?
void vigil
nope, its in the main menu of the game
cyan umbra
...or cerberus
radiant halo
is https://hades.gamepedia.com/ still the most up to date wiki site?
safe yoke
for cerby it needs to be a 1:1 scale for a must buy
void vigil
basically, there arent going to be any new weapons or olympians until the v1 launch
halcyon mauve
why is steam screenshot page of Hades is redirecting me to TF2 community tab page?
void vigil
its the most up to date, but it is outdated as the update just came out
safe yoke
buy hades hats
halcyon mauve
ok I'm wrong
radiant halo
for sure, was just making sure. Was going to try to add a duo boon I just came across that isn't in it 🙂
void vigil
the wiki editors are surely working on updating it
snow gazelle
Cerberus plush ? 
safe yoke
yes but it needs to be a 1:1 scale
hearty torrent
I'm working hard on updating things to the new Blood Price update as I discover it in-game myself.
snow gazelle
Agree on the scale
hearty torrent
Current project is the Well of Charon!
safe yoke
i like how one one run the first boon i got was a legendary
and it was from posedion for increased fishing %
void vigil
yeah, thats a scripted event!
void vigil
ive been trying to get it again for the ||chaos fish|| but it doesnt appear often... and when it does i dont get them
at least i caught the slavug i was missing for the codex at last
sand stump
true, havent got that chaos fish
void vigil
i feel like i never see fishing points in asphodel
sand stump
dang rare they are
safe yoke
oh right when i got it i spammed chaos gates
void vigil
also, yeah you can get it again, the requirements are oceans bounty or sunken treasure
safe yoke
got to fish in one and got the jellyfish
sand stump
i have got like 2 seamare in 20+ asphodel run
also, yeah you can get it again, the requirements are oceans bounty or sunken treasure
well then it is quite bad
void vigil
seamare are elysium tho
safe yoke
does the wiki have an updated boons requirement list for rare boons or duos/legendaries
sand stump
oops
oh
i have seen a few Chrustacean
slavug would be my old savefile
but non of the Flameater thou
safe yoke
if i get one more hellfish again im punching megaera in her stupid lookin blueberry face
sand stump
too many hellfish mean you reacted to the fishing rod too late
i got like 50-50 Hellfish- Knuclehead
safe yoke
i reacted right as it goes under and its not jsut bobbing
animal crossing has taught me how to fish in this game
marble viper
Is it possible to beat meg on the very first run of the game?? or Is it meant to fail? 😛
sand stump
yes, but really hard hahaa
safe yoke
i think i beat her.
but had low health and no mid region fountain so i died quickly in lavaland
marble viper
@sand stump yes it is LUL I think i replayed like 12 times before I almost did it No luck so far haha
hearty torrent
@safe yoke The wiki's boon charts for the various requirements are not current. They were created for the patch just before the Technical Beta, and therefore the Blood Price, launched
@marble viper It is possible to complete an entire run on the first attempt. @terse geyser made it their mission for quite some time previously and managed it.
sand stump
when i first started, it took me ~ 10 runs to start to beat her 50% of the time
safe yoke
yeah didnt take me as long cause i got used to her but then they really mixed it up when ||her sisters decided to drop by|| and that really threw a curveball for me
marble viper
@hearty torrent oh, Well i gues I havea goal to reash then 😛 hehe
hearty torrent
I don't think the requirements for the duo boons listed on the wiki have changed (except for the Athena x Aphrodite on that got reworked to Athena x Dionysus) but the new Boons, new Duos, and many old Boons have different requirements now.
safe yoke
im just trying to finish my minor prophecies list. i finished athena all the way
bruh that was me in early game
so much athena i RARELY saw zeus or dio
now im rarely seeing aphrodite and all her neekidness
marble viper
@safe yoke same.. I restarted 10 times and 8 out of 10 onlt atheana haha I don't complaing but I was like damn 😛
hearty torrent
On the First Run Athena is guaranteed to spawn as the first boon. While a few gods won't appear on the first run (the ones listed on the wiki as such are not accurate) some of them appear too, like Poseidon and Dionysus.
safe yoke
best begining run boon is hammer
marble viper
ok, hehe Oh yaas! love the hammer 😛
karmic ibex
If I picked up Zeus special and I got a special damage bonus from Chaos, would the special damage bonus apply to the zeus damage or only to the special?
safe yoke
karmic ibex
For example with the bow, would the special bonus apply to the lightning or would it only apply to the arrows.
fading gazelle
I just wish I always got barge of death
Not for its simplicity
but for its theme
Its just like...
DUN... DA DA DA DUN
So good
safe yoke
i swear supergiant games loves thier scripted ride fights.
i remeber playing alot of them in bastion
marble viper
In any build I do I love to have the heart seekingg arrow ❤️ such a good add to a build 😛
hollow heron
Boat is so easy ngl
safe yoke
yeah but the barge ride is fun cause if you are decked out in boons it becomes a "im not trapped in here with you. youre trapped in here with me" moment
hollow heron
I always thought it was easy even when everyone thought it was hard 
safe yoke
yeah alot of people are stating that this newer update is "more difficult" and im like. naw it aint my skin it was bad boon rng
hollow heron
New update is more difficult
Like lol it's just buffs to enemies
It's objectively harder
safe yoke
that and ive been basing my picks off of minor prophecies so any boons that never syngergized with me before im taking
tbh i never noticed a spike in difficulty. but ive noticed im dealing more damage. specially to hydra boss heads
safe yoke
naw elysium got chariots and bomb chariots. and THATS what makes it harder.
safe yoke
bomb chariots are ez if you have ranged
hollow heron
Just buy the well item that ||specifically prevents flamewheels||
safe yoke
okay so i got best girl dusa so many nectar now her progress hearts has a keyhole on it. how do i progress?
livid cargo
@safe yoke that means there is an event that has yet to happen between you and dusa
just keep talking to her after runs
hearty torrent
@carmine pecan It's essentially a Quest you unlock once your Affinity with that character has reached its maximum before the Locked Heart.
carmine pecan
do you gain anything or more lore and stuff
hearty torrent
Certain characters will grant you a new item, and it unlocks gifting them Ambrosia to eventually max out their Affinity meter.
carmine pecan
i think ima just keep dying and playing to find sisyphus
void vigil
please dont try to evade the swear filter!
carmine pecan
?
hearty torrent
Not you, Vortex.
carmine pecan
oh
hearty torrent
On that note, is exclaiming "blood and darkness!" okay?
void vigil
well, if you didnt get zapped by proxy just now, i guess it is :]
hearty torrent
livid cargo
I'm a rebel, I say plasma and shadows
safe yoke
im in the wrong game so i say "rip and tear"
abstract drum
Hey, i have a weird question, but there was an item i was saving up for before in the contractor item list, then i took a break until this past update, and i think its gone? It was titled "Portrait, Lady" i think, but i don't rightly remember. Have they taken out items from the Contractor?
safe yoke
yeah i noticed soemthing too. i think i had an option for a aphrodite poster and thats now gone
hearty torrent
That item has been replaced yes. I believe it is the only one to have done so.
Aphrodite poster should definitely still be there, though its requirements changed so you might not meet them yet.
void vigil
wow, i bought the aphrodite poster back when it was 500 obol in a charon well
void vigil
right? sooo far... i have 8k gems and i dont think i can come close to buying everything...
hearty torrent
oh definitely. Several items got a decent whack cheaper this update, but with all the new cosmetics being so expensive in their own right...
safe yoke
if only titans blood and diamonds werent so hard to come by i wouldnt be so afraid of using them
ancient tundra
Do you have to upgrade the contractor's table again to access the higher tier construction again? Like the diamond purchasing darkness gives +5 max health line of upgrades
hearty torrent
Ohmigosh the House Contractor can be Employee of the XXXX now! 
ancient tundra
Aww they deserve it
hearty torrent
Yes you need to purchase the Deluxe Desk to purchase the Greater Room Rewards and Infernal Gates now, but it doesn't prevent the option from benefitting you if you had purchased them before the update. (though they will be hidden until you buy it)
safe yoke
idk i think he didnt really deserve getting employee of the XXXX when that belongs to cerby
ancient tundra
Urgh... I was scraping together my diamonds for the nectar upgrade...
Best boy is always the best employee, the Wall just shows second best
safe yoke
i honestly dont know what upgrade to get. i got the dark thirst upgrade giving me more gems ontop of more darkness but after that i dont know what to get and im scared of wasting gems
hearty torrent
Vintage Nectar is, imo, definitely the best option among the five. Though Darker Thirst is so nice for resource grinding...
safe yoke
yeah thats why i picked it up cause i like avoided gems almost altogether cause i got SO LITTLE of them before
hearty torrent
A free Pom for each Nectar (also works on Dio's boon nectar, though not bought nectar i think) is a true blessing.
I do really wish they would increase the amount of gems you get from each room reward.
ancient tundra
That feels a touch op in the beginning of the game tho so I get why it's so few
Maybe scale them according to heat/number of runs?
safe yoke
number of runs sure. but maybe let it cap, then increase cap by using heat?
granted i have yet to get heat maybe cause i havent beaten final boss yet
rugged glacier
can someone explain to me how the ask-supergiant event works? Will the #ask-supergiant channel be open when the time comes, and then we're supposed to put our questions there before it is closed again? Or do we put our questions somewhere else, and only the Supergiant team puts the answers there, after they take our questions from somewhere else?
hearty torrent
Just looked through the chatlog, looks like it gets unlocked during the Q&A, we send our queries into the void, it gets locked again, and the Supergiant staff team go through each question and ping the asker.
safe yoke
MAKE OFFERINGS TO THE PANTHEON OF SUPERGIANT FOR THEY MAY HEAR OUR PLEAS FOR DUSA PLUSH
🙏
copper adder
Hey, I've been meaning to ask someone, the symbol on Charon's Obol, and many other places, I can't find anything on what it's called or if there's any significance to real world Greek mythology, anyone have any idea?
delicate crow
It's Hades' moustache. That's it
tribal silo
copper adder
I should've known. If I had such a glorious mustache I'd definitely have it commemorated on any surface I could find
safe yoke
see thats what supergiant doesnt want you to know. weve already know the true ending and the reason zag is trying to escape.
hes trying to run away form the fact he'll never be able to sport such a glorious olympian mustache and attempts to leave hell.
copper adder
He can try all he wants, but being deprived of that mustache is a hell in and of itself
alpine mural
sooo I just pressed f10 thinking it would still bring up the bug report screen
it tabbed me out of the game and when i tabbed back in it made the screen a light blue just light blue I can't see anything
oh besides the save icon
did I crash the game?
bug reporter did pop up
hearty torrent
if you close the bug reporter i think it might fix itself?
patent topaz
send the report then everything is normal it happened to me
alpine mural
yea it fixed itself
sooo whats the chances of getting halting defiance?
or specifically defiance from chaos?
hearty torrent
As Chaos' Legendary, it's quite "rare" to get it to spawn.
hearty torrent
As someone who has been scouring the game's code for wiki editing purposes, I can definitely tell you that specific %s for getting Rare, Epic, and Legendary boon spawn chances is not readily available.
alpine mural
interesting
would you happen to know how to unlock guan spear?
asking for a streamer i am watching now
hearty torrent
that information has been pinned in #h1-story-discussion
alpine mural
ok cool thanks
rigid reef
Started to do 32 heat for the first time after >100 hours of the game for the Skelly challenge.
Can't get out of Tartarus. Feels just like the beginning when I kept dying to Megaera.
It will take some time to get used to faster attacks. The weapon of choice (the spear) doesn't really help either.
hearty torrent
The community has been loving the new difficulty from the Doomstone mini-boss from what I can tell, yes. Especially with how quickly the other new mini-boss can be taken down.
hidden thistle
I also like it but its kicking my ass lul
hearty torrent
@rigid reef If you want some help with high heat runs, both #h1-builds-and-combat and #h1-high-heat-strategies would love to help you.
patent topaz
am i the only one whose game lags?
safe yoke
still lagging?
patent topaz
yep, and i can't play if it lags, i lose health easily
i don't know if the game itself is the problem or idk greatest reflex but... yep
lone geyser
patent topaz
the hydra whacked me, to tell you
didn't lose dd or anything but jesus
safe yoke
focus bull first
patent topaz
no no not just you