But like he is super unknown so
#h1-discussion
worthy egret
narrow hemlock
theres like. quite a few gods of various types of death
sterile fiber
Chad: The god of monster(s)
narrow hemlock
macaria
worthy egret
Yep!
narrow hemlock
blessed death 
narrow hemlock
i was not blessed bc i immediately pulled a muscle after i sent that, a sign
worthy egret
Macaria sees you and judges you
narrow hemlock
well shes not the first and wont be the last 🤪
opens up ye olde list of death dieties
sterile fiber
im so dyslexic i just tried so hard to figure out why yall were talking about the macarena
narrow hemlock
huh. hypnos is listed as a death diety. interesting. i mean, considering his association with poppies and stuff, i suppose i see why
narrow hemlock
macarogjdjkf
sterile fiber
I GOT U MACCY CHEESE
merry harbor
I guess death is just a really long sleep? If you follow that logic.
worthy egret
Do you think like. Do you think Than has any physical things linked to the fact that he's death, like what if his touch is super cold
What if his heart doesn't beat
narrow hemlock
stuff with hypnogogic traits can result in death if you're overexposed to them
worthy egret
Hypnos' does but slower as if he was permanently asleep
sterile fiber
zag: WOW THAN UR SO COLD WE NEED TO GET YOU TO THE DOCTOR
than: looks into camera
sterile fiber
zag get off the carpet hun we talked about this
alpine stratus
oooh his heart not beating....
in terms of like physical weirdness i think a lot abt the way hes teleports around and how that probably feels so natural to him! a whole different feeling of his body existing in space than we have
worthy egret
Also Thanatos is supposed to have wings, and he has them sorta when he teleports, no?
Listen I just want to see Than fluffing his wings up like a bird
alpine stratus
also also i am hugely into him being able to see out his weapon eyes. like whats the point otherwise cmon
OOOHHHH
narrow hemlock
hypnos had wings too lol. not full ones but wings on his head
sterile fiber
than making himself bigger when intimidated like a bird
narrow hemlock
they're twins so a lot of their classical depictions were similar with one another, esp since they were rarely apart
worthy egret
And so Zag had to clean black feathers in addition to his usual mess
narrow hemlock
have you seen art of them with wings cause theres a few floating around
worthy egret
Hey. Than's feathers being black with a green sheen
alpine stratus
ooohhh
worthy egret
Hypnos' being lavender purple
worthy egret
Thanatos grooms his wings and is very happy about how pretty they are but won't tell anyone
sterile fiber
zag knowing how much he prides in his wings and either a) complimenting them just to fluster him or b) ruthelessly making fun of them
alpine stratus
zag wouldnt be mean...he'd buy than like way too much wing soap and thans like I DONT NEED THIS
worthy egret
And then he does try it out in secret because damn it i want beautiful soft wings.
sterile fiber
Idk i can see zag being the "pick on ur crush bc u cant deal with emotions" kinda guy
Aka, yours truly
worthy egret
I can see that
Though he would apologize if he saw it makes them uncomfy
Also Zag regrets his choice of telling Than that he can show his wings off more because now they take up the entirety of the bed
alpine stratus
zag is so much abt straightforwardness and like.... being open tho
alpine stratus
meanwhile thanatos is 'guy who tried to say IM SO SORRY and ARE YOU OKAY at once and accidentally said ARE YOU SORRY' hgfjhfhj
VALID, whomst among us doesnt project on a zag, i know i do
narrow hemlock
dunno about yall but i just wanna see zag and hypnos get up to some silly shenanigans bc hypnos is absolutely full of ideas and zag likes a challenge. and than is suffering.
alpine stratus
hell yes
sterile fiber
I oroject on everone
knotty epoch
hey kam i can talk about datamine stuff as long as they don't spoil anything right?
sterile fiber
Even u, greg supergiant
alpine stratus
what do you mean by that?
worthy egret
Honestly if death himself yelled ARE YOU SORRY at me I would be TERRIFIED
knotty epoch
i mean like no future events, nothing not actually added in the game yet
worthy egret
@ g r e g
knotty epoch
really inconsequential stuff
sterile fiber
DISCO IS NOW GREG
alpine stratus
iiii would avoid it penguins sorry! but its fine in private convo ofc
sterile fiber
"uh... Hello? Hello hello? Well if you're hearing this, chances are you made a very poor career choice"
Supergiant protags sigh
knotty epoch
aww but greg mentioned celebrity adjacents for characters and i found some
edit: i won't post them here (as instructed), but if someone sees this and wants to know, dm me
narrow hemlock
the moment you mentioned datamine is probably the moment you shouldnt have brought it up lol
thats like a generally frowned upon thing to discuss on official servers
sterile fiber
Throw me in the PIT greg supergiant
alpine stratus
in the pit where they all fight till the winner gets to make the new games' theme
sterile fiber
Im as as thin as a TWIG ID LOSE
worthy egret
It's all fun and games until greg pulls out the usb sword
narrow hemlock
next game is just sgg smash bros
worthy egret
.
alpine stratus
supergiant mario bros
worthy egret
Okay but that just makes me wonder who would win.
brisk trail
👏 NARRATOR 👏 CROSSOVER 👏 SPECIAL 👏
worthy egret
All the characters voiced by Logan in the PIT
brisk trail
No no, still operating as narrators.
worthy egret
Sgg narrators announcement pack
knotty epoch
Just Logan arguing with himself
brisk trail
So the game starts with Homer, then a few minutes in AJ shows up.
worthy egret
Boxer also
brisk trail
Exactly, later Mr. Nobody and Rucks show up.
worthy egret
I mean he's not a narrator but... He kinda is?
worthy egret
Stygius vs transistor which living sword is the bEST
brisk trail
Oh no.
Mr. Nobody is in the Transistor and he can hear the other three narrators arguing and giving away spoilers that he could use to help the crossover party, but Red is the only one who can hear him.
worthy egret
Imagine if Mr. Nobody was in Stygius.
brisk trail
The hidden fifth Aspect.
worthy egret
He's getting flashbacks from another world following the boss formula of
(transistor spoilers)
||1. A woman you have history with
2. A snake thing
3. Douchebag||
knotty epoch
transistor spoilers maybe?
sterile fiber
IM BACK screams of the damned
i can't stop thinking of soft thanatos
just being a sweet boy
but not wanting to show it
my pen tablet died while i was eating and i've never felt more attacked by something that cannot think
guess there is nothing else to do other than play MORE HADES
wait important question: Is Dionysus considered a Himbo. Yes or No and why
brisk trail
Yes.
worthy egret
You know what i need, a wholesome edit with than and like a bajillion hearts and i swear i saw someone on there have that as their pfp
narrow hemlock
that was probably @urban wave some time ago
urban wave
I have been summoned
I had a thanatos with a bunch of hearts on my icon, yes
I think it's somewhere in #fan-works
narrow hemlock
so when the game leaves early access, you think we ever gonna see any of these beauties that were in the noclip docu? https://gyazo.com/050b95a9bb802edfa7a916d78e53bf7f
cinder lichen
Elysium Metal intensifies
dry island
heyy I haven't played this game
in a long time- and I forgot how to fight ? I did check the controls but LMB
is def not the attack button for PC
sharp parcel
Asterius looks so sassy
novel wasp
hes jojo protagonist now
sharp parcel
"Oh, are you approaching me, short one?"
novel wasp
i cant beat the s word out of you without getting close
demeter is your stand now
to be fair hades is just jojo with stands (the gods)
worthy egret
I had
A dream about being Zag
And visiting Eurydice
Except she had a whole BAR up in Aphodel
cinder lichen
snrrrk
worthy egret
On gods playing dnd because dammit i like this thought
Zeus plays a bard tries to roll for seduction every time
Ares attacks everything
Demeter is a very tired dm
thin sphinx
yo, can someone consult me on unlocking companions, perhaps in DM to not spoil
sharp parcel
@thin sphinx ||Meg, Thanatos, Dusa, Skelly, Sisyphus||
thin sphinx
@sharp parcel ||yeah I got the heart with the key for some, what do I do next tho, I can't feed them ambrosia||
pine magnet
Hey ! Anyone has images of the hell map ?
nimble ocean
is there a map?
cinder lichen
@worthy egret Pretty sure Zeus might play some kind of knight (who tries to roll for seduction all the time) since he favors power and that such.
Not a barbarian because, well, they're barbarians. It says on the tin.
cinder lichen
She'll let it slide and shrug it off because love has more chances, but she's going to be very sassy and salty if someone succeeds in something she just failed at before she can try again.
For some reason I imagine the party Aphrodite is going to beligerize with said sass is Artemis, more likely than Athena.
worthy egret
Okay but also a dnd session of the cthonic gods
worthy egret
Thanatos gives me dm vibes
cinder lichen
the green man.
cinder lichen
Help me.
worthy egret
elevator music continues
cinder lichen
The dead person guard.
merry harbor
Achilies?>
worthy egret
That's not a cthonic god
nimble ocean
Orpheus?
worthy egret
But yes
cinder lichen
gods dammit
nimble ocean
he is green aswell alright
cinder lichen
No, but he also both seems like DM material,
and almost always in the company of the Cthonics.
Then again, he also might have whatever duties his employment entails.
nimble ocean
imagine Chaos as DM
merry harbor
I think Athena would be a pretty solid DM but she'd be super focused on the war games and strategy aspect.
worthy egret
Chaos as a dm oh my god
merry harbor
oh no they'd be terrifying i love it
worthy egret
"I open the door."
Are you sure, Son of Hades?
"... It's a trap isn't it."
:)
cinder lichen
Snrk
They wouldn't be that blatant.
I have never been so frustrated with pronouns in my life.
worthy egret
Theres no trap Chaos just loves to mess with people
worthy egret
Okay but
worthy egret
Each of them has their own dice
cinder lichen
WHAT IS WEST AND WHERE'S SOUTEAST., ATHENA HELP ME
worthy egret
Chaos' are deep blue, appear transparent and are speckled with stars
cinder lichen
oh yeah like mario party style?
oh
Yeah that makes more sense.
You know...I just realized that Dionysus would be the bard of his DND party.
merry harbor
They ask you what your passive perception is. You say the number and sweat as they make a comment about it being unfortunate that this version of reality had it roll so low, and then say nothing about what you failed to spot.
vast dagger
Dionysus would absolutely not have the attention span
cinder lichen
Not even for flirting reasons (though he could exercise those) but just for the ability to start up a party in the game whenever.
That's also true.
worthy egret
Great now I want Chaos as a dm
cinder lichen
Pft. That sounds more about right, Silvaria.
.................oh my days, a VA-pseudo-scripted DND game.
worthy egret
I feel like Chaos would come up with some bizzare and great campaigns though
worthy egret
Session ends and you're not sure what the heck you just witnessed and it feels like you just woke up from a dream
alright in order to start a session im gonna need all of you to sacrifice 24 health
cinder lichen
pft
Their party is going to start up waking up inside a dungeon before they walk outside their single-cell prison to find that half the building is destroyed to reveal a great land of floating lands, smaller islets below in the ocean, and there's some kind of peaceful but abominative creature in the sky...
or whatever.
worthy egret
cthulhu fthagn
cinder lichen
They would invite the entire party to their realm just so they can use their realm to better fit the atmosphere of their scene.
worthy egret
Halfway through they start seeing things and feeling as if they're really there and they have no idea if it's just their imagination or Chaos doing something to them
cinder lichen
Heeh, Hypnos and Than have their charms.
I wish Hypnos had more dialogue, but he is just the greeter after all.
worthy egret
i think it was said he was gonna have more stuff
cinder lichen
Awesome
If there isn't any more dialogue pertaining to how many runs Zagreus has past 20 in the next major update we will riot
worthy egret
Hypnos is a sweetheart
cinder lichen
He's a sleepheart
worthy egret
aW
cinder lichen
You know...screw Percy Jackson,
what would gods be like in the modern day?
What I wanna know most about is Chaos really.
worthy egret
That weird person in one tumblr post who gave a cashier in starbucks a riddle
then when they solved it they gave them a light up pen
and dissapeared without buying anything
brave thicket
Chaos dont really have a consciousness or personality in the myths
worthy egret
well good thing they do here
brave thicket
they only appear briefly at the start to start the myhts
cinder lichen
What do they do even?
opaque nexus
I’m really trying to enjoy using the bow
I don’t like cast builds so hera is out of the question
cinder lichen
Describe.
opaque nexus
Chiron and zag bow are not the best either
cinder lichen
I make both work. I need to try Hera more often.
worthy egret
I love Hera just for the burst
opaque nexus
Zag bow seems like a ranged nemesis but worse
Hera with dio cast is kinda cool but having to wait so long to pick up the casts again kinda sucks
Maybe I’ll try a new build
But what other cast is good with it?
Besides hunting blades ares
cinder lichen
I kind of just abandoned the multiple cast thing and went with regenerative.
opaque nexus
Stygian soul hera?
cinder lichen
Oh no, with all of my runs.
cinder lichen
I looked at a comment that said "Thank god, you don't have to pick up bloodstones all the way out in the corners of Asphodel anymore"
so I was like "You know, that's a good point. I might go with it."
And then I realized, "Wow, 3 seconds is actually really quick!"
opaque nexus
Just don’t go Stygian soul with Poseidon aspect
cinder lichen
I say it works with any cast, really. You can have more DPS and more Bloodstones out and active if you use Stygian Soul.
Focus on attacking and Special, sometimes use Cast to stick it in someone,
opaque nexus
Poseidon revolves around you lodging the cast in and then using special to get it out
cinder lichen
your focus doesn't need to be diverted to trying to reclaim or rely on Cast...
opaque nexus
So Stygian soul kinda ruins it
cinder lichen
Poseidon feels...like the opposite of that.
It's an AOE attack. Largest splash damage, asides from Dionysus, beating Crush Shot.
I don't know why you'd use it on just a singular person when there are better options for single-target focus.
Artemis, Aphrodite, even Athena.
normal wraith
Well, I think it still synergizes with Artemis is if you get the dislodging boon and you still get the boost to your cast damage.
cinder lichen
It either ties or has less base damage compared to Athena because of it's large range.
normal wraith
Though yeah it definitely isn't as effective.
cinder lichen
Exit Wounds, DemonKing. Hera sounds perfect for Artemis if you add Exit Wounds to the mix.
opaque nexus
This is why I don’t use cast builds too confusing lul
cinder lichen
Pft, they're as confusing as the dash imo.
normal wraith
You just want to, cast away the complications perhaps?
cinder lichen
Snrk, that's why you get Stygian Soul. You need not rely on casts or attempt to dive through all of those foes to re-acquire that single bloodstone while the other two are lodged or far off the map.
If you want to focus damage with your weapon, you get Stygian Soul, in my opinion.
opaque nexus
I don’t use cast builds anyway so Stygian soul is good for me
cinder lichen
Mhm
opaque nexus
Just to get boiling blood off
normal wraith
I mostly don't use cast builds because I rarely use cast even when I get the makings of one.
cinder lichen
Also DemonKing go outside to your front door, a familiar Pact will be waiting for you.
Eh, I'm extremely flexible I'd say.
If I've got something that deals more damage then what I'm currently doing, I go for it.
normal wraith
It's mostly that I always only use 3 of the 5 buttons.
I only ever use companions because they squeek to remind me.
Usually it's just F, special, attack for me.
cinder lichen
Aspect of Hestia with Deflect Boons...or 3 splash damage explosives?
Does this call mesh well with what is going on right now, or would I prefer to build it up, or just forget about it?
opaque nexus
I used to love Hestia but now I like eris rail a lot more
cinder lichen
I'm still going to be dealing damage with at least everything to keep up the variety.
But I'm going to be using one combo more often than the other options I have if they deal a lot of damage.
normal wraith
Also, can anyone explain to me the rational behind the god of love's death explosion? It doesn't seem to do enough damage to be meaningful and 90% of the time the enemies are too spread out to actually get effected by it.
Is there an actual proper way to use it?
cinder lichen
It's a splash damage kind of thing. Effective if you're wearing down the entire group of Brightswords all at the same time.
Plus, you get to see chain reactions with Numbskulls in Tartarus or Tiny Vermin in Styx. So that's cute!
normal wraith
Yeah but those two situations are the literal only ones in the game where it is objectively more useful than literally anything else she'll have on offer.
cinder lichen
Think of it this way: the Lament may not be as effective against tackling a room full of Splitters and Crystals, as it may be as effective as dealing with Flamewheels and Longspears.
It's especially nice if you are a ranged person and not dashing around knocking everyone away, simply fleeing and training your foes to ensure you are both safe and getting the most of your attacks. And health.
Or, you might be coralling your foes together to deal damage to all of them at once? Knocking them into the same wall or pillar, weaving away from ranged annoyances.
normal wraith
I mean, even flamewheels are too tanky to be taken out by it like numb skulls and tiny vermin. Even at epic level rarity it's usually not going to do jack to any enemy you couldn't already 1 or 2 shot with something else.
merry harbor
It's also a very fast way to apply Weak to a group of enemies besides the damage.
cinder lichen
That is true. It can also be treated as free damage that'll lower your foes even slightly so you'll be able to finish them in one or four less hits.
merry harbor
So it's easy to get P.S on them if you're rolling that, or for poison spreads with the Dio duo.
Kill the weakest one, suddenly they ALL have it.
cinder lichen
Armor or Health, any damage that is above or around double digits is welcome.
normal wraith
Oh, is there an actual duo that works with it? If there is I suppose that fixes the issue.
cinder lichen
Low Tolerance, Heart Rend, Curse of Longing...
merry harbor
it applies Weak. So if you have like, the poison stacks up from Dio's duo or Curse of Longing (kinda iffy as it is), it lets you get a status on the whole group without needing to apply it directly.
And of course Heart Rend.
cinder lichen
maybe even Unhealthy Fixation should it suit your current fancy.
merry harbor
It's a little obtuse, but the damage is pretty highand can cause chain reactions if you think of it mainly as a status plus damage, rather than damage with a status.
...that's just personal experience, mind! Other people might have better uses for it.
normal wraith
Oh, you were talking about the one that makes you stack more poison. Yeah no in this case what I'm mainly seeing as pretty week is the fact it's got about half the range of the sword's base special. Which means you have to group enemies together pretty tightly to get any value out of it. Personally I think the move would almost be better if it did 2/3rds the damage and had a radius far closer to that of her other effect.
Since then it could consistently hit large crowds of enemies with weak without forcing you to risk damage to make the effect worth while.
merry harbor
I hadn't noticed it being that small? but that may be because I group enemies pretty close out of habit to begin with, whoops
merry harbor
And what do you mean her other effect? I don't recall herr stuff being super well on the range front.
chilly maple
with out breaking it
normal wraith
The one where you get hit and release a love wave.
chilly maple
how do u open FF7 delux box
merry harbor
Oh! Like, Revenge-effect range.
chilly maple
with out breaking it
normal wraith
Yeah
cinder lichen
A what now?
merry harbor
You get a very small knife and find where they put the tape?
cinder lichen
Vengeful Mood with like 3 different revenges is always pleasant, no?
merry harbor
Also, considering it's harder to proc in anything beyond enemy swarm rooms, I think the damage would be fine even with an expanded range, tbh.
normal wraith
Yeah I just feel like lament is kind of balanced around the fact you don't really have to give up anything for it, but at the same time almost everything else she'll offer is potentially so good by comparison the only reasons I could personally ever think of taking it is if I'm already on the 4th floor.
Since it makes clearing certain rooms a joke.
cinder lichen
Yeaaaah, Dying Lament is best used if you are able to group enemies together, one way or another.
merry harbor
I take it early sometimes if I don't want to overwrite other status proc boons, or if the other two on offer are like. gross.
normal wraith
Who knows, maybe she'll get a duo boon with someone that makes it so other god's revenge effects also proc on dying lament. That'd definitely make it extra worth it.
merry harbor
And it DEFINITELY helps in those situations as a good starter source of damage to help keep pace-
oh my god.
That actually sounds really cool?
As it is, that boon IS just sorta... there.
...demeter+aphrodite getting somethnig called "Served Cold" would be kinda awesome actually
cinder lichen
Meh, I find use in it every often!
cinder lichen
Hm...does Demeter and Aphrodite talk about one another or no?
merry harbor
I don't think they have any direct interactions right now, but I haven't gotten Aphro a lot since her update.
cinder lichen
I mean like any mentions about each other from either.
merry harbor
beyond the usual one liners if they reach you first in a run, I don't think so.
cinder lichen
Hum.
Could be a good excuse for SGG to get the two to talk about one another, even if there's bound to be some thorns from both sides...
merry harbor
oh yeah no they both seem to dislike each other a lot, it'd be Awesome
cinder lichen
I wouldn't say a lot, but I wouldn't put it past them either.
merry harbor
But Demeter is rather icy towards everyone, so it's not exactly surprisng.
cinder lichen
She's rather icy towards the Olympians, right?
normal wraith
To be fair, Lament doesn't really interact with the rest of a person's kit already, so it's fine if it doesn't seem to function normally. Might also be cool if you got a trinket which constantly make sure one numb skull was in the room until it's clear. (So that way you can get off effects revolved around hitting/killing targets.)
Would be cool as a hades trinket.
cinder lichen
...Hey this topic sounds familiar huh-
normal wraith
Probably make it a permanently charmed numb skull so it actually attacks things in the room for you. At level 3 probably get 3 of them?
merry harbor
it kinda does, yeah
And I dunno about that? That seems pushing too far in the other direction of making it only useful FOR that boon.
cinder lichen
It's almost like someone here in this room talked about a Hades keepsake huh
something about it being like a skullll?
😉
normal wraith
Well I suppose that's true though I don't really know how they'd balance basically giving you a minion.
cinder lichen
Eh, sounds a litttle bit like a keepsake to me
But uh, you know what my idea for a Hades Keepsake was? Talked about it earlier today, had the ideas given flesh with conversation.
maybe ping me in gameplay
normal wraith
I could imagine them doing something like the minions always having a 5% chance to drop health when they die as well. So if you buy the charon shop's item that gives enemies a 15% chance to drop them then suddenly 1/5th of the time you're getting healed when you kill them.
It's also you know, free damage and something else for things to target with their attacks.
cinder lichen
Honestly this sounds like something you'd buy at a Well of Charon.
A minion-for-hire.
normal wraith
Not from a well. If they were going to add something like this it'd be more interesting if it was a special shop that has like... A 15% chance of spawning in charon chambers or something. Though both could exist since the trinket could instead be retooled to make minions you purchase stronger.
cinder lichen
I'd rather it be a higher chance since it sounds a little weak, also. Less than your boon, but more common than a hammer.
Unless hammers, like, have the same spawn rate in Charon shops. idk I don't go for them usually
normal wraith
Oh this would be something else inside the chamber I feel. You'd still get your 3 options.
normal wraith
I suppose at this shop you could probably also do some other optional stuff based around actually making deals with the minions down there.\
Just a general stop for all things like betting you'll be able to beat the next 3 rooms in a certain amount of time/without taking a hit, purchasing minions, and probably increasing the chance of certain rewards.
Who knows maybe skelly could run it.
cinder lichen
Zagreus: "I suppose you're not fond of competition down here, are you?"
Charon: "Nrraaahhh..."
Z (Post-Dialogue): "I don't think shades like him might not be here very often with that attitude."
normal wraith
Hmm, maybe the last of those options would be a bit much but yeah being able to pay for in run modifiers like that would be REALLY useful for higher heats given I've been trying to beat 44 heat recently and... Uh yeah, it's basically a totally different game.
(All heat turned on besides routine inspection and dead line.)
It's actually kind of fun to have my rear being handed to me again.
cinder lichen
I kinda at one point wanted to try and turn on all of the heat options to see what it'd be like.
novel wasp
meanwhile im facing a real heat challenge myself
My PC is 60 when idle
and i cant get it fixed until quarantine is over
cinder lichen
oof
quaint bramble
Sorry to hear that! Also I kind of like the idea that mercenary shades if anywhere hang around Charon’s shop. Eventually it would be like a little cantina or job fair with companions waiting for Zag to show up on a run and pay them.
analog elbow
@cinder lichen spoiler tag that feedback comment pls
cinder lichen
Which one where.
worthy egret
the one about the game showing time you beat bosses with
the bosses themselves are a spoiler.
normal wraith
I personally don't see inspection as a fun challenge because it's literally taking away progression and I don't think the game is POSSIBLE to beat with everything else AND deadline turned on.
cinder lichen
ooooooh
normal wraith
You're already relying on luck an awful lot with just everything else turned on, you don't need literally ever room being hard to clear/you having no real choice about your boons and 7:00 minutes to beat the boss in.
quaint bramble
I’m not going to touch tight deadline until the prophecy calls for it.
cinder lichen
I did the do it
normal wraith
9 minutes is do able if you turn on the one that increases their speed as well.
But it's not fun.
If that challenge was more dynamic like you only get so long per a room it'd be one thing.
But it's too easy to just get boned by high health enemies.
worthy egret
how much time does deadline even give you? im steering clear of it because knowing myself its just gonna make me panic
normal wraith
9 minutes per a floor level 1
cinder lichen
Flashbacks from getting almost the fastest I’ve ever cleared a Gem Trove being thwarted by a black olive hiding in a far corner
normal wraith
Use the spear or fully upgraded zag sword.
cinder lichen
Is there only 2 ranks of Damage Control?
I so badly want there to be 3 or 4
or just 3
For no reason other than “this number bothers me”
normal wraith
I believe there are only two, but probably for good reason.
When the heat's up to 44 it makes everything on the screen so unbelievably tanky
Though when you have certain challenges turned enemies can start to build up more shields than that.
cinder lichen
But that makes sense
Thats the death number
Thats the number that Guan Yu fears
i probably got that nationality incorrect huh?
normal wraith
Honestly given there is no way to heal besides DD or weapon effects it's the one challenge where I prefer Guan Yu.
That said, next run I'm going to try to use SD on it.
I think that'll work out better given all I gotta do is get good enough not to die more than once a room.
worthy geyser
Does anyone know the damage formula for your damages, like does hammer, boon, and chaos boons multiply or add and does "deal % extra damage to enemies woth conditions" multiply or add?
normal wraith
It adds up if it's the same type of multiplier (example, if the multiplier is attached to your attack) then gets multiplied if they have any status effects that make them take more damage.
cinder lichen
i was making a 4 sounds like death in a certain language joke but yeah
normal wraith
So it ultimately your damage comes out to ((A x 1.B) x 1.C)
worthy geyser
@normal wraith so for example the bow with the +x2 damage explosive attack hammer with just be added to any boon that increases attack as well?
mellow vessel
Damage bonuses are multiplicative????
quaint bramble
It will if it specifically says that your attack deals x% more damage once taking the hammer/boon. If your base attack damage was 50 and you got something increased it by 50% it would become 75 damage. Then a hammer that gave you 200% damage in an area would make that 125, not 150 I THINK
mellow vessel
I thought someone said they were additive
quaint bramble
Modifiers to your fixed damage are multiplicative, like procing privileged status
Adding percentage to it like with an attack boon is additive
mellow vessel
Okay, how about something like Blackout?
Poisoned enemies in festive fog take +100% damage, is that additive with privileged status or the Aphrodite one that makes weak enemies take more damage?
quaint bramble
Pretty sure that’s multiplicative because it’s phrased in a way that says the enemies take more damage regardless of how you deal it rather than saying you deal more damage to enemies in fog.
Also don’t worry @cinder lichen I caught your reference to Guan Yu’s potential superstitions haha.
quartz knoll
normal wraith
If the hammer says a percentile increase in damage, its additive. If it replaces the base damage, then that's the number that's increased now.
For example the chop upgrade that makes your sword deal 90 damage + the upgrade that makes you deal 300% damage to armored enemies, would be ((90 x 4) x 1) if nothing else was taken into consideration.
opaque nexus
I've made some tiermakers for this game if any of you are interested
normal wraith
If you stacked on top of that weak + chill in order to gain the 1.4 multiplier to damage they take then the formula works out (90 x 4) x 1.4
opaque nexus
https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-duo-boons-82372 https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-weapons-and-aspects-82372
normal wraith
Now obviously your damage bonus is a little higher than that in all likelihood since once of those chill/weak are probably on your attack, but I can't remember the percentiles off hand and they aren't necessary for this example.
safe lodge
Meg froze while I was playing (fighting Alecto with Extreme Measures activated). I died while trying to report it 
opaque nexus
I still wonder if anyone discovered the zag animation freezing bug with Arthur before me
It’s so weird
It’s happened to me multiple times now
safe lodge
I have seen something similar with Coronacht (bow)
desert nebula
opaque nexus
Is this how much you enjoy them
desert nebula
that probably also plays into this list.
knotty epoch
heartrend at C is a weird choice imo
opaque nexus
Hunting blades and heart rend should probably be above C
sharp parcel
what the, is that Merciful End at C?
desert nebula
i just seldomly use Aphrodite's boons, that's why.
opaque nexus
Why not
desert nebula
I dunno, don't think they're particularly fun.
opaque nexus
So what is fun
desert nebula
Aphrodite and Ares are both rather meh for me. And that's where my bias comes in.
opaque nexus
You have to admit that aphro is really powerful despite how much you like it
opaque nexus
Let me guess, you think Zeus is the most interesting
desert nebula
No, Neptune is.
opaque nexus
#BuffPoseidon
desert nebula
Do you think he's underpowered?
opaque nexus
Yes
desert nebula
I never felt that way.
opaque nexus
Most people would say he’s the worst god
Knockback isn’t very useful for the most part
And he has the second lowest % damage bonus on attack and special
Only above Artemis, who has crits
opaque nexus
If you get the boons that give you damage when you knock them back, sure
Poseidon is good if you have like all of his books
desert nebula
I just don't like his call.
opaque nexus
I’m the opposite
I like his call, rarely get much else
My favorite call is probably Demeter
desert nebula
It's pretty good, ngl.
orchid pagoda
Poseidon with Arthur works well, because there's not much speed to that blade.
desert nebula
Artemis's call is pretty good, too.
covert plover
Do you think a demo version of the game would exist for anyone curious about the game but unsure if they would want to leap into it? Asking because someone mentioned being curious but being unsure about wanting to throw money onto something they might not like. :3
opaque nexus
That seems like a universal issue with things that are purchased @covert plover
Show them gameplay from youtube
covert plover
Alrighty. I recommended that for someone who asked on the subreddit about if there's a demo version of the game they could play with to get a feel of the game. 🙂
opaque nexus
There’s much more to this game than a demo can showcase
The lore, progression, and weapon variety
covert plover
The demo would just showcase gameplay aspects and, imo, could work if it allowed the player to play from the House to Tartarus boss and then have a "death" screen that sends them back to the house and does what the current base game does now with a "congrats! you finished the demo! if you loved the experience, consider buying the full game and getting Zagreus to the surface!"
untold cedar
covert plover
one playthrough, for me, can last two hours
unless they're a speedrunner and skip all dialogue
covert plover
Yeah.
opaque nexus
My first successful run was like 22 minutes
And my longest run that’s my best time for a weapon is like 32-35 minutes with bow
And I don’t care about bow
narrow hemlock
you guys are basing your times off your own familiarity with the game
opaque nexus
My first run was 22 tho
narrow hemlock
someone just jumping in for the first time, wanting to get to know the characters and stuff is gonna have a longer run
worthy egret
I take my time tbh
opaque nexus
How will they give the players enough stuff to be able to beat the game in a demo without spoiling everything
worthy egret
Not beat the game
opaque nexus
Maybe a demo would just be Tartarus
And you can use whatever you can get in Tartarus
covert plover
But yeah, if there was a demo:
- you'd only get to use the sword, though you can switch the aspects between Poseidon and Nemesis.
- Skelly's there.
- The Mirror of Night will provide some of the abilities, but the rest of it will serve the purpose of the Admin Chamber of highlighting records of previous runs.
- The Main Hall is assessible, but the House Contractor only does cosmetic changes to the Main Hall while also serving as the Shopkeeper.
- Hypnos, Achilles, Hades, and Nyx can be interacted with freely, but they are the only people that can be interacted with (to partially help with establishing how the dialogue and some story progression works, i.e. gifts)
- Fated List provides the mission/prophecy to "Defeat the Furies" over "Reach the surface" or whatever actual goals exist in the game rn
- Skelly is the only character to gift a legendary keepsake in the demo, to test the mechanic of legendary keepsakes.
Spitting ideas on how the demo could work. But I can respect if they don't make one.
opaque nexus
Those seem good
covert plover
Obviously, I do think the demo would DEFINITELY not allow access behind those big double doors, whenever that unlocks too.
opaque nexus
What if they added special dialogue about using the demo
covert plover
They could. I would expect it from the Narrator too
covert plover
He can! I expect him to go "you can try to leave Tartarus, boy, but you will go no further"
go past the Furies, "dies," respawn at home, he laughs
opaque nexus
What if you weren’t actually zagreus in the demo and were instead a random shade in the shape of him @covert plover
Which would be the lore explanation of why you can’t go in a lot of the rooms
covert plover
That'd make sense too!
It could work.
Something similar to Orpheus, I guess? Orpheus was the one in the myth that tried to get his wife out of the Underworld, but he looked back.
opaque nexus
The other thing is that all this work would be for a free demo
So they can’t change that much
covert plover
which is why I'd understand if they can't do a demo. It'd be a lot of work for a small thing that won't really add to the base.
opaque nexus
The other option is that they could go back to one of the first updates where there wasn’t much in the game
cerulean iris
i remember getting into sgg via the bastion demo they put on chrome years and years ago
but that was a much smaller game with like no branching paths
opaque nexus
And like I said before, dropping the player into Tartarus doesn’t do the game justice
It’s hard to make a demo for a roguelike
Because the whole point is playing again and again
covert plover
This roguelike is definitely different from, say Binding of Isaac.
or Crypt of the Necrodancer
cerulean iris
yeah, plus there's a lot of deep content that they can't predict exactly when it'll trigger
opaque nexus
The problem is having the demo showcase all of what hades is about while not being too tall of an order to do for a free demo
covert plover
oh yeah, I just thought about. Sisyphus would definitely still be part of the randomization of Tartarus, to show that between the three realms of the Underworld, you can meet a new friend and chill. for a second.
I can also say, I guess a demo could be worked on after Charon's sprite is updated. That hooded, orb-hording shopkeeping boatman.
woeful finch
I might have misheard but I think I hear Alecto say "God damn you!" during the battle. Like okay, but which god?
covert plover
Nyx, I guess. Lol
lusty stump
any god that powers him up in the run
low leaf
Curious: When using Guan Yu, is it normal that Chaos Gates still cost 27 HP as it reduces health to 30?
mortal palm
covert plover
in fairness, it took me roughly twenty runs and some fairly good boon picks for me to finally get Hades.
@fresh basalt Do you have any other weapons unlocked yet? Strangely, I got ||Hades|| with a bow at my first win.
fresh basalt
yeah i unlocked everything
weapon wise
not aspects tho
i've reached the end once just today
covert plover
Any weapon you feel like you're good at regardless of how the runs go?
fresh basalt
maybe the shield
covert plover
Shield's not a bad choice. My recommendation would be, if you've gifted nectar to any of the gods at least once and gotten their keepsake, use the keepsake of whichever god you feel would aid you strongest with the shield. Get a few boons that make your attacks stronger (preferably one on Attack or Special), and get any boons that add new effects.
Sorry if that sounds vague. I'm not sure how you play. ❤️
covert plover
In fairness, yeah, that's what I did too. The game actually got easier with each death. It "sucks," but it means I can actually progress like I want.
Additionally, I'd recommend stacking up on darkness and exploring the Mirror more too. It can help runs a little.
out of curiosity, since this is spoiler free zone, is it okay if I mention a particular god in here...? Because you did mention that you've reached ||Hades||, so a thing should be mixed into the pool of boon possibilities... >->
covert plover
If you see her, get her boons. Trust me.
narrow hemlock
remember that the final boss's identity is considered a spoiler guys
also dont be afraid of utilizing god mode, all it is is a boost of dmg resistence. think of it as an additional difficulty modifier, since it increases resist % the more you die
covert plover
||the highest is 80% and by that point, if you're still dying, the game said, "too bad. you get 80% DEAL||
woeful finch
I did around 30 runs and only won a few times, got frustrated. Turned on god mode and for about 50 runs I was frustrated with how it was too easy then I felt like I didn't really "earn" all the stuff I got in those runs
So I started over in hell mode and it's just perfect now
covert plover
What is Hell Mode? Because I always thought it was like Hard mode in the Sonic Games.
woeful finch
it just takes times to get used to dodging things and learning what boons to go for
Mechanically it just means you start with pact of punishment and you can't turn certain modifiers off and all of the bounties heat requirements are increased by 5
and you aren't allowed to turn on god mode
You could just play a regular save file and ratchet up the heat yourself
narrow hemlock
at this point with 200 hr in i just keep god mode on because im too stressed about everything happening and cant care enough anymore to go back to gettng better with the game, i just wanna run in, punch some skeletons and pay for my hubris by continuing to dash into lava like an idiot
woeful finch
When I started over in my hell mode save, I died a lot in Tartarus and Asphodel which was partly due to the jump in difficulty but largely because I was missing mirror upgrades
covert plover
Admittedly, I did turn God mode on because if I didn't, I woulda forgot there was a story to the game...
woeful finch
It didn't take long before I was consistently winning again and I feel like starting over on HM helped me "train" a lot more
narrow hemlock
ive kept it on for the last like month and a half bc it lets me relax LOL raising heat was adding to my stress and if im getting stressed with a game im not having fun with it. different people play different ways ¯_(ツ)_/¯
woeful finch
I'm not sure the story really progresses any "slower" since it's mostly about talking to certain characters enough times or with the right conditions met
There's very little stuff after Elysium that you have to encounter repeatedly to meaningfully advance the story
covert plover
I started turning Lasting Consequences on and realized "oh wait, I could progress this way by not healing at all..." and I shocking reached Elysium before dying... Idk how.
I had all the obvious hard stuff up.
narrow hemlock
theres really no fast to slow to progress since a lot of the dialogue is dependant on one another and getting it a lot of times comes down to rng
woeful finch
exactly
woeful finch
like arguably you will advance certain stories FASTER if you are dying. If you want to meet Eurydice more times than there's no point to playing past Asphodel
narrow hemlock
yup i did that a lot. theres a big chunk of my record data thats me dying at asterius encounter or theseus fight
bc of one certain dialogue
and theres always the chance that you come back to the house to talk to someone and theyre gone, or you cant find the room you need during a run for an npc you want to talk to
woeful finch
yep
covert plover
In a sense, the only dialogues I can think of needing to progress is ||Hypnos constantly mentioning that I died by every enemy and boss in the Codex||.
narrow hemlock
||i mean most of those are inconsequential outside of asterius||
you dont really need any of the kill lines. there are certain dialogue triggers with various characters that need x number of successful or total runs but thats it
rare flume
|| I haven't really died to asterius much, should I for the dialogue? ||
narrow hemlock
||you need 4 specific sets of dialogue from hypnos related to getting an autograph from asterius before you can actually get it||
fresh basalt
is their a more effective way to approach getting boons
covert plover
D'awww, that's adorable. ||i think I got two so far.||
narrow hemlock
well it depends on what yo're working toward
boons are tiered, certain ones are needed for others to show up, and some are required for duos
covert plover
While the boon choices are very RNG, there are ways to get some stacking and possible good combinations. Like I said though, if you get Attack and Special boons, it's a great start.
woeful finch
You'll usually use one or two of Attack, Special, and/or Cast to do your damage so you don't really want to work on all three. It will often depend on what you can get early and start pouring poms into but it espeically depends on what Chaos boon you can get early, if any
since Chaos can add significant damage to any of these on top of your Olympian boon
more boons is not always better since you are more likely to hit a boon you don't care for when you get a pom/nectar/eurydice upgrade. If I have a boon that isn't significant to my build and I wouldn't want to waste any upgrade on, I will sell it at the first chance
rare flume
I would usually try to stack the same god(s) as much as possible
If I start a run with artemis and ares boons, might as well keep stacking them
woeful finch
mixing up the gods for different debuffs can be valuable
rare flume
For sure
woeful finch
Like there's not usually much benefit for having the attack and special from the same god
rare flume
Once I have something to satisfy privileged, though, I don't branch out too much, because some legendaries are really good
woeful finch
Knowing the legendaries and knowing whether the legendary is good for your build or not is vital there. If the legendary is great for your build then you should hit the god as much as posisble
narrow hemlock
what's it like actually planning a build, I just run in and hope for the best 🤪
woeful finch
It's not much planning a build but
After you get a few boons you can have an idea of what gods will have the most synergistic upgrades
narrow hemlock
depends on weapon aspects too, some aspects work better with certain gods but man none of that is my department
this is why I will probably never finish a 32 heat run lmao I don't care enough about the technical aspects of the game
I will be lucky if I hit 20+ I think I got about 14-15 before I thought, man this is kinda not fun actually
I do really like some of the changed pact, the uh one for enemy traits. which ever that was, not at my computer rn to look, some of the traits really spice up a room but some combinations are also 😬
worthy egret
I am a horrible person and I deserve to go to jail
I exabombed Thanatos
He was very dissapointed
Expecting the police any minute now
Google ads keep recommending me Thanos merch. He's close I can feel it
Farming equipment raised up high
i got thanos ads because i made a gauntlet joke once and googled the infinity gauntlet for it shush
sterile fiber
Thanatos: I hate hanging out in the house of hades
Than: They play Dancing Queen by Abba and shout "Go disco boy go"
narrow hemlock
||hypnos has a line if you accidentally kill yourself with the rail's bomb upgrade||
worthy egret
Also man i was hoping Than would react to me having his keepsake
||even Meg did ;~;||
narrow hemlock
i dont think meg reacts to her keepsake? sisyphus does, and hermes reacts to quite a few of them. unless you mean the chthonic companions, than does react to that
worthy egret
@sterile fiber dancing queen is playing in my head and im begging for sweet release
narrow hemlock
i need to double check
worthy egret
||She reacted to Than's, not her own||
narrow hemlock
oh yeah she does that. its more to make a jab at her loss of respect for than helping zag
worthy egret
Honestly i found her ||If I start a bug collection, I'll know who to ask|| comment cute
narrow hemlock
goes to listen to that again
oh that meg snark
i could honestly listen to meg all day
smoky rune
How do I get permission to discuss in the feedback channel?
chilly stump
Check the pins in the feedback channel, it has the instructions. 👍
sterile fiber
I just recently god the fishing rod and I'm so excited to use it bc if theres anything im a sucker for its anything not directly relating to the plot of any game, but ive gotten THREE entire fishing spots and I messed one of them up
I ANGY
opaque nexus
@sterile fiber do you know how to catch them
For a while I had no idea how
My tip is to look above for the flash of light so you aren’t thrown off by the bobbing because you can’t see it
cinder lichen
Players who has bugs: 
Players who has fixed bugs: 
opaque nexus
It’s worked wonders for me
opaque nexus
What does that mean @cinder lichen
sterile fiber
WHEEZE i have high mechanics
cinder lichen
Lol, just describing Tech Support and whenever a developer appears.
opaque nexus
I still think I discovered the Arthur animation freezing
cinder lichen
You might be
opaque nexus
Happened to me multiple times
Zag gets stuck in the wind up animation for the Arthur sword and he kinda just slides around
cinder lichen
Yeah model freezing happens sometimes, lol
opaque nexus
The only thing he can do besides that is to dash
cinder lichen
Happened to me twice with Guan Yu
opaque nexus
Which gets rid of it
cinder lichen
Attacking got rid of mine. Dash probably could’ve too, but I didn’t want to ruin it.
opaque nexus
I couldn’t attack
opaque nexus
Nope
cinder lichen
Now THAT’S a game breaking glitch.
cinder lichen
Weird
cinder lichen
ikik
sterile fiber
Im lucky I havent run into bugs yet but I also JUST started playing
opaque nexus
I think it may be more common on weapons with long animations like Arthur or guan yu
It is weird that you could attack with yours and I couldn’t
Were you stuck in an attack animation
cinder lichen
Bugs and glitches aren’t common, but you’ll certainly find a few by the time you get to 100 runs.
I was stuck in the wind up animation and the spear throw animation
opaque nexus
But you could still attack
cinder lichen
I just had to click to get rid of it but it was entertaining
opaque nexus
Did you slide around like a living statue?
cinder lichen
I don’t think so, no.
cinder lichen
I could maybe check though just in case
opaque nexus
Bro that’s so much cooler than mine
cinder lichen
Guan Yu spins in your hand while winding up the spin attack
I think I have a link to the vid around here...
flint rune
safe lodge
Ah, so it's an end of boss fight bug
I had an interesting experience (not a bug) when Theseus left his spear behind after dying. 😂 I still that
I have reported several bugs using F10 in-game. However, I was offline while playing. Anyone who can help me figure out whether those bug reports reached the team or not?
Pinging the only Mod available right now.
@signal spoke - Please help me/redirect me for this
signal spoke
Hmm, I wouldn't know that one! I think asking in #h1-tech-support will be a good bet. You might not get a response for a bit though given the time.
safe lodge
Thank you. I will ask there and I'll wait
signal spoke
Sure thing!
narrow hemlock
final boss identity is considered a spoiler in this channel
crystal plume
My bad
narrow hemlock
it's okay! p sure most people here are aware but it is generally considered spoiler material
(I do not think extreme measures is planned for that though but who knows)
safe lodge
Any tips for Aspect of Guan Yu?
flat vapor
level it up to the max
flat vapor
quick spin is almost mandatory and definitely makes it easier to play
charged skewer is a fun time
primal whale
I would say the opposite, charged skewer is almost mandatory, breaching skewer would be the ideal next hammer if its toward the beginning of tartarus, but quick spin is also a good secondary
but i wouldn't try guan yu until it's level 4 minimum
safe lodge
I didn't survive Tisiphone. Health benefit isn't worth the low base health for me. Hence,aybe one of you can give me a better idea
Okay. Got it
Will upgrade before trying again
primal whale
Yeah honestly anything less then the max level is very difficult
and the whole playstyle of guan yu is already kinda different
void vigil
i cleared with lv.1 guan yu before, and it was actually my first spear clear ever since the bounty system
safe lodge
Hmm... Maybe one run without Pact may be needed then
void vigil
no spoilers in this channel please!
flat vapor
tbh guan yu fell off for me after the recent update, so maybe i'm not the best source
charged skewer guan yu is very, very strong though
brave thicket
the best part of guan yu is the spin, not the throw tho
void vigil
maybe this conversation is better for #h1-builds-and-combat?
flat vapor
👍
cinder lichen
What's with Ares' white stripe? Is it supposed to be some kind of shadow or...
brave thicket
what
cinder lichen
Same! It looks like the rest of him is covered in shadow.
cinder lichen
Well, what else is that white around his face?
brave thicket
weird tan lines?
cinder lichen
They don't match his helmet, though...
brave thicket
he wears a kind of sunglasses to give hm those, maybe?
brave thicket
or it really is war paint and it is creative license
ARES WAS NEVER PORTRAYED WITH WAR PAINT
cinder lichen
...Was Warpaint a thing within Greece?
Like, not a known thing
but at least someone used it?
cinder lichen
Hum.
...It sounds far-fetched, but his Roman-equivalent, Mars, has associations with a number of Celtic Deities.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
brave thicket
true
cinder lichen
I will break into a developer's home and violently ask them who designed Ares
brave thicket
but greeks never contacted the celts
cinder lichen
so I can bust down THEIR door and ask them
brave thicket
or just ping them
brave thicket
spam them
cinder lichen
who does the art?
Ah! Jenzee
...Is it really a good idea to ping Jenzee to ask about a single stripe or no?
brave thicket
it is
cinder lichen
But is it though?
cinder lichen
...Jee, I really hope there's no one in the SGG corner on Do Not Disturb just kinda lurking around watching us converse, huh?
brave thicket
there is only 1 sgg do not disturb
cinder lichen
Oh boy I will have a heart attack if one of them responds! And that will be bad?
cinder lichen
I mean I was gonna ask them if they could ask Jen if they could ask the question for me 'cause like
Jenz is credited with the Art and it's Art Direction.
Joanne might know about Ares' face design being Environmental Art,
brave thicket
im just gonna do a feedback
cinder lichen
but I wouldn't count on it.
Eh, that also works. I was thinking about it, but I was also thinking it might be off topic for the channel.
cinder lichen
...Well that's a way of making it on-topic.
brave thicket
i had to do some research on the name of hoplite armor. i only know roman armor
cinder lichen
Hum. Neat.
brave thicket
@cinder lichen should i do some more nitpicking?
cinder lichen
Hecc no, lol
brave thicket
oh sorry, i did it
worthy egret
Honestly i don't know i don't think this is that necessary
brave thicket
ik
worthy egret
I mean if we wanted to nitpick where is Than's torch
brave thicket
some of the sword youtubers' love for accuracy may have rubbed off on me
brave thicket
wait w h a t n ow
worthy egret
Sort of, wing-like effects on him when he has his dramatic entrances and exits
brave thicket
than never had a scyth tho
worthy egret
I can see why would they choose for Than to have the scythe and a more known 'Death' appearance
So peiple not familiar with mythology could recognize who he is
If he didnt have the scythe and hood and only had his sword and torch, I doubt his aesthetic would be that recognizable
brave thicket
not really, they may think him a god of farmer
worthy egret
I honestly don't mind them taking liberties
brave thicket
and most ssensible people would recognize him
worthy egret
Dude the scythe is like, a death thing. They will not think him a farmer
brave thicket
the death thing comes from the farmer, symbolizing Death's harvesting soul similar to reaping grain
worthy egret
Besides, now that Than, his art and animations are all done, changing him from the ground up would just be so much work that, in my opinion, is quite unecessary
Also yes I know that but that's not what I'm talking about
brave thicket
j u s t re move the scyth and change it into a sword in his animations
its simple enough
worthy egret
You'd have to change it everywhere in every single animation
brave thicket
the wings can go to hell iirc
worthy egret
Who knows? Maybe it's like Discworld Death where its reserved for special people
... That would be sick ngl
brave thicket
yea
worthy egret
Also I really like the scythe's design
brave thicket
me too, but who am i to challeng mythology
worthy egret
And as much as I was a bit salty over Than's more non greek deathy design it warmed up to me
And hey his keepsake also being his symbol was nice
So like they are following mythology but they are taking liberties
This is not the only place where they take them
I mean hell they changed ||persephone's parents.||
brave thicket
tbh the whole comment was a reason to bring up ares's eye paint and what it is
cuz we were confused
brave thicket
but more seriously, who puts a lorica segmentata on a greek god??
worthy egret
No clue what that is buddy
brave thicket
roman armor
brave thicket
on a sidenote, is afrodite naked?
brave thicket
that balances out all their mistakes
brave thicket
uhhh, me?
nimble ocean
i mean
there are combine harvesters for like, several decades
even at small farms
brave thicket
undoubtedly, but the symbol for farming is still the scythe
no one changed that after the invention of locomotives
nimble ocean
why not sickle? or rake.. or hoe
brave thicket
the hoe is a close second
nimble ocean
well, ok, we can exclude sickle.. it's already another symbol
brave thicket
communism baby!!!
nimble ocean
but still.. second use of rake is only as a trap
brave thicket
have anyone shown you a rake and say: this is a symbol for farming?
nimble ocean
the only official symbol of farming i know is sickle.. it's used, like you've said, in communist countries
hammer is for industry, and sometimes paintbrush for art
sharp parcel
a scythe is just a sickle that doesn't require you to crawl around bent over
brave thicket
o f f t o p i c n o w p l s s t o p i d o n t w a n n a b e w a r n e d
nimble ocean
point is
brave thicket
i see your point, but i hold my view
nimble ocean
i don't think that first image, popping up in mind of the **most ** people after seeing a figure in dark hooded clothes with a scythe is a farmer working during stormy rainy weather
nimble ocean
also, it's kinda estabilished image.. since battle scythe has completely different form.. it's bent outwards and sharpening is on the other side
brave thicket
battle scythe never existed
nimble ocean
it has another name
brave thicket
falx?/
nimble ocean
Guan Yu is closer to battle scythe than Than's
nimble ocean
i don't really remember the name.. should check out
nimble ocean
there was a discussion many years ago, that farming scythe can't be really used in the battle.. and people suggested another type of weapon
brave thicket
that is a scary weapon for peasant uprisings
nimble ocean
not that i support being these kind of nerds, but nevertheless
everything is a weapon if you have enough agility and imagination
also: hayfork is a good symbol, but not exclusively for farming
brave thicket
hey, im not a nerd
nimble ocean
i'm talking about that guys back then
pretty sure none of them actually tried fighting with a scythe
cinder lichen
The Scythe is a large Sickle.
Lengthy handle, horizontal blade, one-edged and curved.
The Farming Scythe couldn't be used in battle because, well, the Farming Scythe's blade was at a sort of angle. In order to cut crops and grass, you would need to hold the blade horizontally to the ground. This is done by holding the long and curved pole handle...diagonally.
The sickle, however...
Look at Japanese Ninja weapons.
They were perfect.
Curved blades for stabbing or hooking with ease, significantly shorter and less unwieldly to handle without the requirement of a blade at an angle or a curved handle...
Also, on a side note...
The Farming Scythe, the Sickle, and a curved Sickle can all look the same. And each can be used for different-looking tools for different uses, making it hard to define and name an Agarthan "Crescent Sickle" from Fire Emblem or Thanatos's Scythe, due to their similar functions and shapes.
A Curved Sickle is not a Crescent Sickle, but they can look almost indistinguishable. Almost.
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What would you call this?
It looks like a Crescent Sickle...but on google, I searched up "Curved Sickle"
This is actually a Landscaping Scythe.
It is difficult to talk about the scythe or the sickle and their combat capability because of how similar all of them can look with similar names.
So, that could be the origin of people asking "why didn't they use farming scythes in battle?"
brave thicket
we were talking about scythes, not sickles
and war scythes, a modified farming scythe is used in war
it is a really good polearm for poor people, and it is quite versaatile, similar to a voulge
cinder lichen
I'm responding to an older comment,
there was a discussion many years ago, that farming scythe can't be really used in the battle.. and people suggested another type of weapon
and I was also talking about how a scythe and a sickle look kinda similar.
...We could just call Thanatos's scythe a sickle, maybe, lol.
brave thicket
they look really similar, yea? one is long and have a slightly curved blade, one is short and have an extremely curved blade
cinder lichen
They look similar, but not the same.
If one wouldn't know better, they could be handed a long-poled curved sickle and say they wield a scythe.
brave thicket
lemme say it one more time: this is off topic
cinder lichen
I'll agree, mostly.
I started a kind of a tangent that was related to some topic spoken recently. Was.
novel wasp
kitchen knife
cinder lichen
kitain nife
novel wasp
my stygian kitchen knife
opaque nexus
Guys I have a question
So we all know people have hopped on the Hades train at different updates
But where does Hades Gen Z start
Does it start at Welcome to Hell or Long Winter
cinder lichen
Pft
opaque nexus
I joined during Welcome
It was a different time back then
The contractor only had 3 options that showed up at random
I somehow lived without guan yu
delicate arrow
Why can't battie be summoned against meg/Hades?
cinder lichen
what reasons would there be to prevent that from happening?
brisk trail
The identity of the final boss is considered a spoiler.
You can't use Battie against Meg because you're summoning Meg to attack.
cinder lichen
...Meg spoilers, but ||what if Alecto or Tisiphone attacked Meg during the fight when using Battie? Or the opposite, even if she’s supporting one of them?||