I try to but at times his animation is... Different?
#h1-discussion
west chasm
mild needle
deflect
brisk trail
Are you sure? They do 600 damage.
mild needle
with athena dash
west chasm
Like the wind up is longer than ussual
quartz knoll
yeah
mild needle
hide behind the pillar for the lazer
quartz knoll
it does not even a 4th of its armor
west chasm
And i try to trigger ruthless
mild needle
they changed the map layout for final boss
it used to be much harder to dodge the laser
now its ez
brave thicket
the spin range is beeg, so dont try for ruthless
quartz knoll
which attack do you have problem with
west chasm
The first one
agile saddle
And dash through his spin not away from it. The hitbox is wierd.
west chasm
Yes they have to fix that
mild needle
tiny vermin is nothing
quartz knoll
shields are especially annoying when you use spear because sometimes it just block everything even if you spin behind them
since as long as the hitbox touches the shield first
it's completely nulled
quartz knoll
you have to hit them at weird angle
mild needle
you have enough damage
quartz knoll
they're annoying without proper AOE
quartz knoll
does the punishment pact that quad the trap damage affect enemies too
mild needle
no
mild needle
honestly just take deflect from athena
on anything
i use it to deflect traps to enemies
spinning blade and what not
quartz knoll
can't deflect the falling blade though
mild needle
when yeah
quartz knoll
Sen's Fortress PTSD tbh
mild needle
i tried not to stand in the marks
quartz knoll
I will now call Styx Satyr's Funhouse
mild needle
you can see where they are
from the trap
i highly suggest watching haelian video to see how he does combo. His movements and actions are optimized to make quick works of enemies. Calculated use of legendary keepsakes. Also fun to watch
i improved alot after seeing how he plays
west chasm
Tfw Hydra disjointed hitbox takes away defiance
hollow heron
f
mild needle
disjointed hit box?
brisk trail
I hate Nemean Chariots.
brisk trail
They keep charging after they hit you, if you're lucky enough to have a weapon that stuns their ready state is identical so they're suddenly charging and hurting you again with no warning, and they can get stuck on walls but just stay a roaming hitbox.
west chasm
Or nearly impossible to manage rocket kamikazes
brisk trail
Flamewheels are almost as bad.
west chasm
Flamewheels feel wrong in a game composed of nearly only melee weapons
brisk trail
Their detonate-at-literally-all-times schtick is the worst.
west chasm
There is... not a reliable way to deal with them most times
Maybe they should have a timer before exploding so at least you can run away
Also chariots should have a wind up before start charging
brisk trail
I think a timer if you kill them after they're primed and no explosion if killed while not primed.
west chasm
Also should there be a limit to how many gimmick rooms you can run into?
Cuz i played like 3 chariot only rooms this run
mild needle
you can deflect or dash through flamewheel damage
brisk trail
That's not consistent.
brave thicket
you can run
west chasm
Deflect
You mean
The thing you are not guaranteed to have
Not even within a timeframe that makes it usable
mild needle
its a bit tricky but dashing works
west chasm
I just wanna get this out of the way...
Saying that all enemies are fine as they are is detrimental
Again, it's barely 0.27
Anything, at any point, can, and should, change
mild needle
ddint they say they are gonna release the game in later this year
mild needle
well then, just remove shielder from the game
brave thicket
when its released do we have to pay an additional fee?
west chasm
That's just how early access works
mild needle
maybe allowing darkness for exchange?
quartz knoll
yeah what I feel like is they tryna balance it by making titan blood 1500 and diamond only 1000 at charon shop
in Styx
but not like you can consistently net 1k obol everytime
and sometimes when you do the diamond doesn't show up
brisk trail
It's not impossible.
I've heard of people consistently using Golden Touch to break 1000 by Styx.
quartz knoll
I would say it is definitely not
but you would have to sacrifice a lot of purchase
for consistent 1k
imo
brave thicket
just play low heat and money is easy to get
brisk trail
Nothing wrong with farming low Heat.
hollow heron
yeah you should be able to fairly consistently hit even 1.5k gold every run on low heat
if you optimise for it
golden touch, start with purse, don't buy anything
hollow heron
does the heat that adds more enemies give you more coins because there's more enemies or no?
mild needle
break every vase
brave thicket
i get 1000 gold every run 5 heat and below
quartz knoll
sorry I just started out so many things I say are dumb
brazen isle
dont worry about it! everyone starts somewhere.
hollow heron
chaos/demeter for eg
quartz knoll
yeah Guanyu
brave thicket
blood is delicious
quartz knoll
I can't take 70% HP reduction
brazen isle
y e a h
quartz knoll
need to max it before considering it
brazen isle
yeah its much easier maxed out.
hollow heron
tbh guan isn't even that bad imo
at base
you can play so safe
sure its not easy
or fast
but you can just camp forever
brazen isle
i just have a very aggressive playstyle so i keep getting my glass bones crushed by some of the later enemies
hollow heron
that's definitely something I've been trying to break
just trying to control enemies so i don't get overwhelmed
and then you can take them down more efficiently
becuase you can do optimal dps instead of having to worry about other enemies
quartz knoll
many people hate Hades spear but so far it's the one I am enjoying the most
maybe it's just me but it seems to increase spin AOE
hollow heron
i just struggle to use spin attack safely
normal wraith
I personally find Guan Yu to be pretty bad without upgrades. Maybe it's just because I'm a sword player and already like to turtle a little, but arthur is so much easier to play with.
hollow heron
i don't have arthur unlocked yet 😦
quartz knoll
I usually just charge up a bit and dash
and if I have dash deflect
that's usually it
safe and big
normal wraith
My suggestion is use the second form of the sword to take on redacted, it's the second best form of the sword.
quartz knoll
does the crit change stack with Artemis
normal wraith
Yeah.
quartz knoll
as in additive or it works separately?
normal wraith
Crit can get to 100%
normal wraith
Yeah, if it's defensive don't expect it be additive, if it's offensive it usually works out a lot better.
Well, DR is additive but it's also objectively impossible to get to 100% damage resistance.
You can get close, but it basically becomes your entire build.
Thing that isn't additive is dodge chance and it can still get pretty high.
mild needle
aim for 50% dodge and get ruthless, with ruthless it can become almost 100%
plume and the gloves
if you get lucky you can get hermes dodge change too
i dont so i just have 44% from plume and the gloves combined
if i have the hermes dodge that would go to ~70%
brisk trail
I've seen someone stand in front of ||the final boss's laser attack|| and only get hit twice.
normal wraith
Yeah in some ways I actually prefer the separate checks method, It actually gives much higher returns with fewer boons than additive dodge chance would.
I mean, if you get the perfect run, yeah it sucks you can't be utterly immortal but...
brave thicket
how does the plume and the butterfly scale?
normal wraith
There is also the invulnerability frames build for that.
brisk trail
Plume increases dodge chance by 1.2% for every room cleared before its timer runs out.
brave thicket
i mean for levels
normal wraith
Plume gives you .1 more chance per a level, butterfly gives you .25 per a level.
brisk trail
Values are on that page.
normal wraith
Unless I'm remembering the butterfly wrong and it was .5.
I do know butterfly was actually worth ranking up compared to plume.
brave thicket
.5
west chasm
Does super nova cancel out the double nova drawback?
brisk trail
And then some, Net.Ray.
west chasm
I have artemis special boon
brisk trail
The radius is slightly bigger than vanilla Nova.
west chasm
But i'm on arthur
normal wraith
It deals more damage, hits twice, and in a wider area.
west chasm
And i got a hella lucky hermes epic attack boon
brave thicket
but if you build those 2 keepsakes, you cant customize your boons right?
mild needle
you cant, but you can use fated
west chasm
So i wonder, should i take the backstab hammer instead?
normal wraith
Eh if there's anti-armor it's a better investment, but backstab will help you transform the 3rd floor into a cake walk.
west chasm
I'm at elysium so
Besides i have the epic hermes dodge boon
I can afford to get in for backstabs
normal wraith
I mostly don't like the backstabs because its annoying to try to get at some enemies backs when they turn around so quickly. Still better than the undamaged enemies stuff though.
west chasm
Maybe i should just take supernova
normal wraith
Really think they should put a stealth mechanic in the game and change it attacking from shadows.
west chasm
double nova i mean
west chasm
I have super nova
brisk trail
Yeah, Double Nova.
west chasm
And a hermes epic attack boon
brisk trail
With Deadly Flourish that shreds stuff.
mild needle
backstab the shielder
normal wraith
Yeah double nova.
mild needle
remove shielder from the game
normal wraith
It's just objectively better.
It's also more anti-boss which is unfortunately a massive benefit when deciding what to pick.
I mean don't get me wrong room clear is great but like, not a lot of reason in the game not to always build anti-boss. Would be interesting if they added rooms that give you extra rewards for killing quickly, or if the rooms hades makes you fight for 45 seconds gave more than extra gold for beating up more enemies.
brisk trail
I wouldn't say anti-armor doesn't also work against bosses.
quartz knoll
I think Treasure Trove is meant for that
hollow heron
or if bosses weren't so tanky
normal wraith
I mean redacted summons armored enemies so-
brisk trail
||The second and fourth bosses both have armor as a significant factor, in the Hydra heads and Hades's summons.||
normal wraith
I mean yeah but it'd be nice if they added more stuff like than or extra chaos curses designed to make things a little more interesting in some areas.
mild needle
i dont know what you are talking about, but i find gloves with dionysus attack shreds everything, boss or no-boss. (with another curse to activate status)
my fav is crush shot cast with dio attack
normal wraith
Oh, the fact that building anti-boss is really the only viable way to play the game because actual rooms don't necessarily penalize or reward you for stylized clears.
mild needle
dash in, pang, and combo with fist
merry harbor
Yeah, a pretty lenient one.
mild needle
7m
normal wraith
I mean, I wouldn't call it lenient.
mild needle
lenient lmfao
brisk trail
7 minutes at 5 Heat.
mild needle
try more enemies, forced overtime for faster attack and the 2 hit shield with 7m timer
see if its ez
normal wraith
Even at 9 minutes all it takes is running into one room full of armored shield bearers and flame wheels to mess you up.
viscid blaze
How can I give Ambrosias? I have so much of them now
merry harbor
Yeah, like, the only times I've scraped it in a while have been 5 room Styx layouts or if I didn't have any damage at all going into Elysium.
mild needle
uhh... press g
merry harbor
iunno. Base level at least seems reasonable enough.
mild needle
give them to literally anyone
viscid blaze
Ambrosia, not Nectar
merry harbor
And for Ambrosia, it's only after a certain tier of affection, Q.
mild needle
oh
merry harbor
it replaces Nectar eventually.
normal wraith
Oh that's for later relationship points.
mild needle
ambro is higher tier nectar
viscid blaze
Is it available for everyone I can give Nectars to?
merry harbor
Not yet, but the list's expanding.
viscid blaze
How about the Olympian Gods?
mild needle
after she took the 1st one
normal wraith
Clearly feeding all of her mini-snakes.
merry harbor
Currently, only Artemis, Zeus, and Aphro can be given ambrosia right now.
i think. i'm pretty sure that was the ones
brisk trail
That is correct.
viscid blaze
I'd post a picture but I cannot
merry harbor
But they're adding them as we go for more story plots. They were only added this major story patch, and Aphro was... what, this morning?
brisk trail
You seeing a lock or a clock?
viscid blaze
A lock
viscid blaze
Alright
west chasm
Ok
I'm at 522 hp
With full defiance
And a good dps on both special and attack
Arthur aspect
There are two rooms left on the temple...
Should i?
merry harbor
Eh, I mean, what's the point?
If you know you can clear already, why bother?
Unless you're trying to get the last bit of obol for one of the high price things from Charon like Titan's Blood or Diamonds, I don't think it's worth it.
mild needle
it tickles my completionist so i understand him
im one of those people who always overprepared for boss
stockpiling stuffs
merry harbor
You can't take it with you when you inevitably go, so if it's not gonna tangibly make or break a run, I don't like to linger in Styx.
quartz knoll
can you customize anything about Zag's appearance?
kinda want him to have alternate palettes etc
primal whale
No, at least not yet
primal whale
Yeah it seems logical that they would add a buyable dresser and unlockable clothes later on
ruby vault
Could it be that the adamantite rail is just easy?
brisk trail
Nah, it's one of the harder-to-use weapons, I think.
primal whale
but not everyone does
brisk trail
I also play on mouse and keyboard.
quartz knoll
I too play on mouse and keyboard
ruby vault
I also play with mouse and keyboard
Struggled with the bow (didnt even know i can have up to 4 death defiance which was the main problem i guess)
But the rail was pretty easy beating hades (Heatless ofc) at my first try
brisk trail
Wait, how does lock-on ruin Hestia?
primal whale
Well
brisk trail
Do you mean Eris, because you can't place Bombard on yourself?
primal whale
ruin is a strong word, but I had a run where I was destroying everything up until hades, and then I could never hit him with the hestia bullet once the minions came out
Because autolock always locked on to everything else
brisk trail
If you're shredding everything, then just clear the minions?
primal whale
I was less experienced when this happened but I always just stuck to eris ever since
brisk trail
I'm sorry, I shouldn't tell other people how to play.
I like Eris more, but I think Hestia is stronger.
primal whale
See, I like eris more and think its stronger
It's also more flexible
you can dip into all damage sources
brave thicket
eris with hazard bomb
primal whale
but I should give hestia another try
ruby vault
@brisk trail thats a good attitude
Showed someone my first ever win and he said i play the game wrong haha
primal whale
I just got my final 32 tonight and I need some new goals
quartz knoll
I can't play Hestia because I feel obligated to reload every shot
brisk trail
That's really the way to play it.
quartz knoll
so shotgun upgrade all the way?
primal whale
You use the regular shots to take off blue shields if you have that heat
brisk trail
Now, if you're a real weirdo like I am, you take Hazard Bomb and Inescapable Blast on Hestia.
ruby vault
Wait. Every weapon on heat 32?
primal whale
@brisk trail That actually sounds great
ruby vault
Any tipps for what boons fit well with the fists?
brisk trail
It's very good.
primal whale
the 75% slow is very strong and hazard bomb is a great way to apply it
brisk trail
Artemis, Zeus, Dionysus, Athena, or Demeter on Attack, Artemis on Special.
Hazard Bomb's got a big area.
primal whale
Yeah I got 32 with all weapons tonight!
quartz knoll
doesn't hazard bomb kill you
primal whale
With the fists I really love athena attack and athena dash
brisk trail
Poseidon and Talos are kinda memey, but I've heard they're not bad.
hollow heron
athena attack is obviously absurd
brisk trail
Hazard only kills you if you stand in it.
hollow heron
ares isn't great either
primal whale
And you hold down attack and dash to reset the punch combo so you have permanent deflect from the front
ruby vault
@primal whale how long did it take you to reach this?
primal whale
I'm at 460 hours
brave thicket
talos with poseidon special is good on smol enemies
hollow heron
i feel like demeter aspect is so strong it just overshadows the other two
dark cradle
460?!
primal whale
Try the athena attack with the fists though. Hold the attack button and while holding it, dash through enemies to ministun then if they have no armor and make sure any attacks coming your way are coming from your front
I might have had a night or 2 where i didn't turn the game off and left my computer on
but its definitely up in that range
hollow heron
yeah DA hitstun is super good
primal whale
Just be careful about attacks that are undeflectable
quartz knoll
which are?
primal whale
Hades spin, shield dude spins in elysium, hydra slams, those obelisk looking dude slams
ruby vault
I think elysium will be the hardest for me with melee weapons
agile saddle
Final boss green stab attack can be deflected and I am not sure why
quartz knoll
so basically slam attacks
primal whale
yep
brave thicket
the slams of obelisk can be deflected
primal whale
well i know for sure hydra cannot
I used that build for my 32 heat on fists, though I didn't get athena dash until the end of elysium and ended up burning through a total of 7 lives
Also you want to get artemis anything so you can get deadly reversal
anything meaning, special, cast, or call
primal whale
yeah honestly it doesn't feel that long ago when I just started
dark cradle
I'm at 102
brave thicket
95 here
dark cradle
Seeing that makes me realize 460 isn't that crazy
primal whale
I've just played the game like 3-4 hours every day since december
and probably left it on over night twice
ruby vault
41 hours and beat it twice
night turret
237 I guess?
dark cradle
I've played it like, every couple of days since Dec for around that time, then.
primal whale
I lose sleep
primal whale
But yeah, lately there has been a lot of time
brave thicket
corona quarantine is fun
dark cradle
The state I'm in just had a forced stay in order go in.
But I'm an "essential" worker so I still get to work qq
brave thicket
im going insane, been stuck home 2 months now
quartz knoll
I still have work
but everything else around me is closed
no restaurant
no cafe
dark cradle
Yeah same here.
brave thicket
i wanna go to skool now, that shows how insane i am
ruby vault
I have lots to study so i have things to do as well 😂
quartz knoll
tbh wanting to go to class is natural
dark cradle
It sucks because I do music production and my tax return is coming in soon.
quartz knoll
first 2 weeks is like yay break time
dark cradle
What I want to do is buy an audio interface so I can use my new microphone.
quartz knoll
my brother is in highschool and he's also slowly losing it
night turret
Heh, I still gotta go to work, because if we dont wrap up our ends entire Institute will shut down for good.
dark cradle
But the music store is closed and anything ordered online now won't arrive until end of April
brave thicket
at least now i have a llot of time to research swords
primal whale
Hmm, I've never known someone that was strapped for time to research swords
quartz knoll
I usually play Hades these days because since my parents are home they always use internet TV
and I can't play the usual games I play
brave thicket
i wanna kill people, its only natural
quartz knoll
since they require internet
I often play fighting games in the evening with my friends
primal whale
The natural part is having the thought and leaving it there
quartz knoll
I think he's just losing it from not being able to go outside
quartz knoll
the only thing you should kill right now is time
primal whale
Or kill covid-19 with your sword skills
quartz knoll
when you studied biochemicals, I studied the blade
primal whale
I can see a movie coming out of it
brave thicket
i have no skill, i just know the theory
quartz knoll
but I do understand the excess energy
with the gym closed
I am very frustrated
can't lift these heavy feelings
can't see the boys
cyan skiff
remote lily
3-split plus arrow bounce is best combo ever even without poseidon haha 😂
vale acorn
3-split with explosive is a fun one
If you get doom on your attack you can doom the entire room with a single shot
vale acorn
Bow is pretty fun in general
The aspects offer a nice choice of where you want to put your focus at that run
ornate merlin
chaos's attack 35% increased , does that increase my dash atttack too?
sturdy kayak
After running into the vermin boss, I have to say it's harder to deal with than Hades himself. At least it was on Hell mode. Too much impervious time and my build was damage over time focused. So I lost 2 lives on just that one fight
@ornate merlin There is a chaos boon that specifically increases dash attack damage, so I don't think so. Unless I am mistaken
ornate merlin
ty
cosmic stag
Lemme get my super op run from 9 days ago..
guided laser, stygian soul and fully loaded
I personally think fully loaded should be changed to double one's cast stone amount
faint jackal
Hey guys, did anyone figure out what are the prerequisities for Poseidon's new legendary boon? I am trying to force it with no luck
brave thicket
the resource boons
faint jackal
you mean +50% reward one ?
faint jackal
Yeah, that is basically my plan now. I am just trying to finish my codex and getting that boon sounds like the best way to fish in Chaos
and catch the damn legendary in 2nd zone because boi, I suck at perfect catching there
thanks man btw
quaint bramble
That made me think of something: how did Achilles know about fish in the underworld when he was writing the codex, let alone in Chaos? 
night turret
Zag is telling him.
brave thicket
hes achilles, reality can be anything to him
mild needle
he saw the fishes when he was dipped into the river
duh
Achilles was the son of the Nereid Thetis and of Peleus, the king of the Myrmidons. Zeus and Poseidon had been rivals for the hand of Thetis until Prometheus, the fore-thinker, warned Zeus of a prophecy (originally uttered by Themis, goddess of divine law) that Thetis would bear a son greater than his father. For this reason, the two gods withdrew their pursuit, and had her wed Peleus.
almost
why is zeus so horny all the time
achilles "almost" became zag cousin
quaint bramble
Wasn’t he supposed to have been an infant when lowered into the water? 
An infant with an incredible understanding of taxonomy of spiritual fish and chrustaceans. Also yes, Zeus just had a thing for stepping out on Hera, usually in the most outlandish form he could find.
mild needle
i find it hillarious zeus actually making girls pregnant by turning himself into rain
brave thicket
well, it is possible
mild needle
and a goat
brave thicket
he was GOLDEN rain
quaint bramble
Everyone, we don’t speak of the circumstances in which Perseus came to be lmao
mild needle
now i know why perseus is so cranky
he must have found out how he came to be
that is some trauma inducing sh1t for sure
quaint bramble
Oh no someone disabled the adult content filter on Perseus’ tablet oh gods oh no he’s going to find out
Anyway all that is to say Achilles knows a suspicious amount about underworld fish.
opaque nexus
quaint bramble
The funniest part of this is the fact that the "son of" text is cut off.
Which Greek divinity fathered Bart? It amuses me to think that it's chad Zeus vs. virgin Homer but then again...
alpine stratus
bart is the next hades character
WAIT...HOMER....DUH....HOMER SIMPSON WROTE THE ILLIAD...
crimson void
Cursed
devout plinth
homers od’ohssey...
opaque nexus
This was not staged the books were actually in that order when I noticed
quaint bramble
Imagine getting a boon after the barge of death and the symbol on it is just a skateboard
Zagreus has to say “eat my shorts” to accept it etc etc
west chasm
Ares - Swordmaster
Artemis - Gunslinger
Athena - Royal Guard
Bart - Trickster
brazen isle
Oh god
Now I’m just imagining Dante and Zag meeting up
Absolute chaos
Every demon and shade would poop their pants
trail hazel
why is zeus so horny all the time
@mild needle thank that to Eros (same god as cupid(the god of sexual desire and attraction))
west chasm
Zeus' is directly involved with about 60% of the greek mythos
Everything was either product of him or happened because of something he did
trail hazel
yeah but the reason he is so horny is because Eros is a bit of a trickster and loved/loves to mess with the other gods
quaint bramble
Athena lawful good
Eros chaotic good
Bart chaotic neutral
trail hazel
i would count Eros as chaotic neutral tbh
since he is responsible for everyone loving each other
but also made 1 person love 1 but the other hate that person
sad #h1-discussion is closed i wanted to suggest Eros as a god who you can find and interact with
like thanatos
narrow hemlock
this whole chat is chaotic
worthy egret
athena is the only god who so far cared to notice i am hurt
therefore
athena is mom
flat vapor
petition to give athena more dialogue
flat vapor
if i have to hear about father's cruel legions again
worthy egret
also god yes
pun unintended
also i love how
every single olympian + chaos adopted zag
bitter ermine
Yo can we talk about how smooth Chaos can sometimes be
In particular the one where they say “this space grows far more interesting when you occupy a small amount of it”
plush pike
Chaos is my favourite
worthy egret
i love chaos so much
watch me keep playing with the chaos aspect shield because i want to hear them
blissful monolith
Used the Chaos shield for the first time since the update and it's considerably spookier now
Chaos even has dialogue when you die
also, a few runs back, when I was using a different weapon Chaos said something to the effect of "hey, get over here" when an entrance to Chaos spawned in the room I was in
but it wasn't a special quest or anything 😦
hollow heron
Implying you wouldn't take it anyways
Chaos boons are crazy high value for me
I'll usually prioritise them a tad under trials
narrow hemlock
all of the gods have lines when you accept their boons while low in hp i think
dooont remember off hand if chaos does but they probably do
sharp elm
The new perks to armoured enemies is an instant run killer. Didnt they patch this shit?
Also nice that the bow is doing no damage
brisk trail
I just beat 32 Heat with the timer and double Benefits Package with the bow.
worthy egret
Also the hitboxes on long range upgrade malphon is...,,,,,, messed up?
brisk trail
Keep trying, you'll get it eventually.
worthy egret
Sometimes it just ignores enemies
If they stand between the max range and zag
And sometimes it does damage
Im like??
I 
'd it so hopefully theyll see but
B o i
flat vapor
proxy what happened
sharp elm
@brisk trail Im trying to beat 40+ heat. I did 36 is the highest i got so far
proud orbit
@sharp elm what weapon are you trying with?
sharp elm
Shield and bow
proud orbit
bow sounds rough
sharp elm
So many artemis and crit nerfs. It feels worthless now
proud orbit
its definitely not worthless
its still like indisputably the highest damage stuff for a lot of weapons
if anything it has more nerfs coming
hollow heron
to me bow really feels like it's the most feast or famine of all the weapons
late zephyr
Bow (chiron aspect) with demeter special is really good, since demeter chains into a bunch of strong cast duo boons
Base bow though is definitely either a easy win or a uphill battle
unreal nova
How do I post feedback?
primal whale
@brisk trail Double benefits package? Crazy man... With timer? Madlad...
Do you have your final build?
I barely beat my 32 heat with bow and pretty sure I had no timer and maybe 1 benefits
remote lily
Read pinned message on the feedback channel :=
primal whale
oh oops i forgot this was discussion
unreal nova
Thanks 👍
mild needle
respect for the lad with 32 heat bow clear
primal whale
He posted the build in gameplay. It's dreamboat of a build
mellow vessel
Oh my husband did 32 heat with bow on hell mode a couple days ago, I forget what the build was, I’ll look it up later
primal whale
My next goal is to 33 all of hellmode
since they give you that extra heat
I don't think anymore heat than that would be fun though
mellow vessel
You think the extra tick of heat makes it easier to do 32?? Lol
primal whale
No not at all
I just 32ed normal mode and I feel like it'd only be appropriate to do 33s for hell
for my own goals
I'd love to see that bow build though
Bow was the hardest for me
Just a run full of stress
mild needle
whats the ranking for most difficult conditions in pact of punishment
primal whale
It comes down to play style but some are objectively worse than others
brisk trail
Forced Overtime is probably #1.
mild needle
i tried out max forced overtime yesterday with 32 heat and i only got to asphodel
also max benefit package
so idk which one is worse
lmfao
primal whale
But for sword I had to bring it down to 1 level of FO
brisk trail
Overtime Speeder Vortex Flamewheels.
mild needle
they teleport
primal whale
Don't take both
primal whale
That's all I can say
brisk trail
I did have teleporting Flamewheels!
I forgot what their second modifier was, but it was on my 32 Coronacht clear.
Absolutely miserable.
mild needle
enemies teleport with bonus attack speed
and their number
omg
theres like 10 of them attacking me
continuously
primal whale
I prefer 2 levels of FO to benefits package, but I think 1 level in each might be a happy medium
brisk trail
Also got teleporting multiplying Witches and then homing multiplying Spreaders in Asphodel.
primal whale
Some people like tight deadline but I stay away from it because I can usually make a build work by slow playing irt
brisk trail
Elite enemies (and not all of them) get one benefit per level.
So at 2 Heat, they get one, at 5 Heat, two.
primal whale
Isn't it most armored enemies that gain benefits?
at least I think that's the wording
brisk trail
Yeah, but I also saw Elite enemies without any benefits.
primal whale
I think it's random but it's probably something like a 60% chance that if the enemy has armor, it'll get the benefits
mild needle
ic
i suggest trying out both max forced overtime and benefits package (with max enemies hp and numbers)
just do it once
feel the pain
i also have the 2 hit shield on
hearty flower
Guess what, guys - Got deflection attack with the gloves; it feels really freakin cool to just punch the hydra's spikes back at it
mild needle
i always says deflect is the best to get
lmfao
i get deflect on the gun attack
shoot it back to them
hearty flower
I'm joining the church of deflect. I just smashed Asterius far more easily than ever, with deflect on the charge-up jump version of the gloves' special. Just kept smashing right through him and then dashing away.
mild needle
honestly having deflect is like having a 2nd dash
hollow heron
🤔
hollow heron
it was the "2nd dash" part
mild needle
poor wording
primal whale
The only time athena dash isn't my number one pick is for nemesis aspect sword
And also ares cast builds
The best thing about it is that you can find it common and its just as good as epic
proud scroll
Athena dash with the gauntlets is amazing
pop around, punch things, and pop back out.
gives you transit with less concern about getting hurt
primal whale
throw athena attack on that and you're nearly invincible
brave thicket
what time is the q a in greenwich time?
brisk trail
6 pm, I think.
brave thicket
god, i cant join, again
mild needle
what qa
brave thicket
check #announcements
brisk trail
uhm
Speaking of double forced overtime/benefits package
I just completed a 32 heat run with sword that had both
Gimme a minute and I'll get a picture
I'll do that in the #h1-builds-and-combat channel because lol ending spoilers
But TL;DR: It SUCKS
Like, I ain't doing Forced Overtime with both of these at max, that's for sure
brisk trail
ive pretty much gotten used to double forced overtime so it doesnt feel bad to me anymore, double benefits package tho is pure torture
brisk trail
there's a surprising amount of awful champion combinations
brave thicket
all combinations are awful
kindred onyx
Am I the only one bothered that the sounds the lyre makes were made by a guitar?
night turret
That only makes my theory true.
"Zag is so bag at music even instruments don't sound like themselves"
worthy egret
We need him to be able to play the soundtrack and you cant exactly do scourge of the furies on a lyre
I think
Wait, can you?
That would sound so dope
worthy egret
Oh hell yes
nimble ocean
novel wasp
Lol
you know what would be great?
get a pointer for melee weapon as in which direction you are firing at
because flurry fire bow or rail can be hard to aim at
novel wasp
@young smelt ares doom counts but not the stun in the festive fog
you can get bonus damage as long as the doom is up
opaque nexus
Is it possible to beat a run where you can’t use attack or special
Probably needs insane rng and patience
opaque nexus
Well
Revenge effects, dashes, calls, and summons are also allowed
Still a nightmare but challenge vids are popular so it’s ez money
mellow vessel
@novel wasp do you happen to know if the doom damage itself counts doom as an effect?
remote lily
just pick up Chaos which punish you 4hp for attacking hgaha
Ouch permanent Chaos runs could be great huh
you start run with random Chaos curse but you also get random boon at start, if there should be more of them this could be super cool
remote lily
only shades knows 😄
finite bay
Zag's many many attempts to change the color of the drapes in the hall
novel wasp
@mellow vessel as soon as the doom executes the effect is gone, you get the two status damage bonus as long as that red little dagger hanging there
@timber flare our feedback in #hades-feedback
lusty stump
oh damn today is a big boy Q&A it seems
timber flare
Yeah the feedback makes a lot of sense
novel wasp
DAMB
novel wasp
Me when i suggest anything
steady sparrow
why cant i see #announcements
novel wasp
xd
hybrid dirge
can't see announcement either
steady sparrow
yea
vague perch
I also can't see it
steady sparrow
i got pigned there
hybrid dirge
did they post and then remove it?
timber flare
Click the blue "new messages" thing
hybrid dirge
The only explanation that make sense
timber flare
It should load again
chilly stump
Hey folks! Sometimes Discord takes a bit to actually send the announcement to every user in the server.
steady sparrow
ok i can open it now
hybrid dirge
it does not load anything for me
chilly stump
It's still up: it's about our Q&A in an hour, at 10am PT.
vague perch
Oh I can see it now
lusty stump
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/693130160605626398/Discord_fl1iIv5pDm.png if you can't see atm, here's this screenshot of it atm.
hybrid dirge
thanks!
remote lily
27k peoples on Discord :d , it must took time heh ":D
opaque pendant
yahallo
opaque pendant
how do i get colors?
novel wasp
supergiant but its a knockoff so its called reallychonk
tight obsidian
sooooo is there a limit on questions?
knotty epoch
There isn't, but they won't be able to answer them all
tight obsidian
ic
knotty epoch
They pick them out as they see fit
tight obsidian
ty for the answer i depart
void vigil
you can get colors in #bot-commands!
novel wasp
this is a 29k server for christ sake
even 290 people give a question its proven to be too much
cedar grail
j'espère que l'on aura un récapitulatif des question et réponses donner
lusty stump
You can make as many questions as you can (unless they were already asked) but be mindful of time limit and fact that your question may not be answered since there are a lot of questions coming in with yours and they can be similar to what you are asking.
knotty epoch
tbf a lot of the questions cover the same or similar topics, so it's probably fine
lusty stump
yeah tbh
void vigil
@cedar grail you can always go back and read them, as the channel will remain open!
lusty stump
just expect if it happened to be asked already there is probably an answer to it or it will have a general answer.
novel wasp
@void vigil how do you understand lol
remote lily
Time to ask if we will be able to change diet like in Dead cells 😄 hahah
void vigil
google translate lolol
cedar grail
ok ty
brisk trail
^
knotty epoch
oh for a second I was amazed you knew french, alma
novel wasp
yea alma
void vigil
that would be nice ;-;
novel wasp
you didnt surprised me
honhonhon
i will fence you with baguette
en garde and stop this meddler 🥖
cedar grail
x)
vague perch
I'm thinking of questions to ask
blazing geode
Nuuuu, I have a two-hour interview at the same time as the Q&A... 
novel wasp
oh noooooooooooo
i got one question for the q&a
can we have zag model at april fools cause i need that default dance humour
blazing geode
I always like April 1st content.
novel wasp
or a new aspect
aspect of zagreus
which is a t pose zagreus and it was held by stygian with limbs
remote lily
blazing geode
He does the Charizard pose from Sword and Shield 🤣
novel wasp
zagreus is the weapon instead, and being held around by a sword which has limbs
narrow hemlock
i dont think you realize the amount of work that goes into zag's animations as it is rofl
novel wasp
r/whoosh
narrow hemlock
its not a whoosh when people have legitimately been asking for april fools content/ alt costumes, ect
no need to be like that
narrow hemlock
they wont, given one of greg's replies on steam. pretty enlightening about the sheer amount of work that goes into good ol zag
novel wasp
effort jokes are the best
narrow hemlock
for anyone curious https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/1864993755183591660/#c1864993755185620425
For example, when Zagreus shoots his bow (the standard attack), it's a 104-frame animation rendered at 32 angles. So that's 3,328 frames for that one short animation. We also have two alternate Weapon Aspects (and later will add another), bringing that number up to 9,984 since our Weapon Aspects are 'reskins' of each weapon. 
novel wasp
meme heat, you have every single bug happened to this game
and the bad kind that will kill you
not the ones that you can skip levels
blazing geode
I am a little surprised they don't 2D Project a 3D model. In any case the game is gorgeous.
jade grove
🤔 What should I ask
novel wasp
when can i die already
bitter ermine
Easy enough
Just get stubborn defiance and you can die in literally every room you enter
bitter ermine
Yeah but it’s more dying
novel wasp
poopi
vague perch
I feel like it would be good for newer players, but it's not something newer players have access to
novel wasp
not really
if they die the first time the next time they will die again
note that it has much less hp recovery too
mild needle
i dont know for other people but i dont really die to mobs. I die to bosses though so stubborn defiance is wasted on me
and there are tons of way for you to fill death defiance so its a no brainer
for me
brisk trail
Moooooooooods!
knotty epoch
Bad solution: just remove the death defiance refillers :^)
alpine stratus
JFKGJG I LOVE THAT EMOJI
brisk trail
Kam, no!
knotty epoch
is it "pomagrade" for a reason or is that pomegranate in a different language
remote lily
might be typo
knotty epoch
oh
narrow hemlock
oh god there goes the q&a channel
remote lily
You know whats better?
In polish is is Granat
and it have 2 meanings:" a fruit
and grenade
brisk trail
Okay, I was familiar with "grenade". 🤣
remote lily
and then you see these great discussion of Shades on HAdes house
narrow hemlock
@alpine stratus asking the important questions i see
remote lily
Did you know you can find grenades in this house?
And of course they mean the fruits, but its funny haha
brisk trail
"How do they know about Exagryph?"
novel wasp
@remote lily granata!
eternal umbra
I think I phrased my last question very awkwardly, was actually asking for more moods, not trying to say the actual ones aren't expressive 😅
novel wasp
Eurydice: 🎤 🌳
flint fossil
opelit with best bouldy emojis
vague perch
Oh no, I realized I forgot the most important question (to me) that I had, and that is if there will ever be a way to test boons in the courtyard. Unless that has already been answered before, otherwise I'll just wait till next time
placid dagger
I think they said Skelly will get a full revamp in the future
vague perch
oooh nice
I hope that will come with boon testing
Even if it's locked behind something, I'd like that a lot
mortal ivy
You mean the courtyard Skelly, not the summon?
placid dagger
Courtyard ye
mortal ivy
I've been dying for a proper "training room" so that'd be lovely
flint fossil
Yeah I believe they said there would be a training room at some point
mortal ivy
Oh that's nice
mortal ivy
It's probably not a priority, yeah
flint fossil
Its not a big gameplay feature yeah
I think completing the story and the last 3 aspects is important
remote lily
Well, bouldy is just best. Imagine having to push a stone for eternity and ... he is always with you with these hard moments
vague perch
I think they've said that the ending won't come until 1.0, but I might've understood that. But I do want more story stuff because it's really interesting, same for character events and progression
devout plinth
I really wanna know which character matches up to which celebrity in Greg’s sheet...
flint fossil
Same!
winter cape
I thought the story is already completed
flint fossil
Yeah its not finished
winter cape
This game is open ended anyways
flint fossil
We don't actually know that yet
The ending is the last part to be made
They've been pretty explicit about that
They also said they wanted a full ending
So I imagine it won't be open ended
lusty stump
yeah ending is currently up in the mystery
winter cape
How would you end though
mortal ivy
Oh that's what I wanted to ask about... oh well, next time
flint fossil
I mean, Zag finding his mom would be the ending
As for how that plays out, we don't know
hexed smelt
guys, please remember that this is the spoiler-free channel!
mortal ivy
Idk how spoilery the question actually is, but I just find the current gameplay loop really fun and I'd be kinda sad if that was no longer a thing
winter cape
Sure zag found his mom, but the journey still doesn't end. Cut to the narrator.
hexed smelt
dangit, forge, i saw a ping from this server and thought i got answered
knotty epoch
rip sparrow's good questions
flint fossil
I'm sorry sparrow 😭
knotty epoch
I wish they'd answered the fruit or ice cream ones :(
jade grove
I missed the window again.
lusty stump
hexed smelt
shhhhhh they might
jade grove
This is the second Ask Supergiant I've kind of just... sailed past
flint fossil
They answered my duo boon question but it make me sad
winter cape
I feel bad for Zag, stuck in an infinite hell. Everyday he wakes up from a pool of blood
devout plinth
don’t we all
dusty mica
[moved to spoilers]
mortal ivy
Spoilers
lusty stump
Well quite frankly at least he doesn't have to sleep or well feels like sleeping.
flint fossil
you get to take hades to bed 
winter cape
Zag and Than should try to run away and start a family
flint fossil
😳
mortal ivy
Unlikely but hey
flint fossil
somehow i expected that kind of idea from someone with a killua profile pic 😂
winter cape
Heh I'm not that good at shipping, yet
novel wasp
when they said they will not redesign any characters
and then we have hypnos
which happened to have 3 iterations laready xD
devout plinth
He wasn’t fully redesigned though, just some additions
mortal ivy
Those were minor changes to his portrait though?
I think
He just changed clothes lol
remote lily
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
narrow hemlock
@novel jacinth 🦀
novel jacinth
Lol
novel jacinth
Lol
hexed smelt
there is only one reason and it is crab
novel jacinth
Lol
flint fossil
🦀
chilly stump
Whenever I see it I think of the crab rave video. One of my coworkers uses crab reactions as a celebratory response. 😄
novel jacinth
Lol
chilly stump
Now back to Hades 
🦀
knotty epoch
idea: crab rave video but all the crabs are dusas bobbing
flint fossil
the featherduster is gone
novel jacinth
Lol
lusty stump
indie dev company who are making Going Under or if you ask what Going Under is, it's basically satirical rogue-lite set in near future setting of offices and all.
the contract is gone!
novel jacinth
Nice
mild needle
"as well as add new foes and other things that will expand on the variety of what can happen in an escape attempt"
self-multiplying teleporting flaming wheels?
open tide
@mild needle I got a heart attack from reading this
novel jacinth
Lol
mild needle
narrow hemlock
zag: enters the chamber
zag: immediately walks out of the chamber
novel jacinth
Lmao
novel jacinth
Lol
novel wasp
Punchy Fists
novel jacinth
🇧 🇷 🇺 🇭