fists also
#h1-discussion
dire cedar
novel wasp
i think fist with attack speed is pointless
onyx elk
Nah its cool
dire cedar
idk they are pretty funny with Demeter and arrows from Arte
novel wasp
fist is fast enough to function, and the delay can be removed by roiling kunckles
literally replace another hit into the delay and make you do 5 hit per cycle instead of 4
onyx elk
55% attack speed + arte attack feels like being star platinum
novel wasp
do you mean aphro attack
onyx elk
no, Artemis attack
novel wasp
star platinum is strong but he deals consistent damage
thats where his barrage from
if he wants to deal huge damage he couldve one punched it, but i get the feeling of the punching barrage is a thing is only because it is to Jotaro's amusement
because clearly he could still one shot his enemies
onyx elk
Add the hammer that gives you bonus base damage from every ininterrupted hit and bang
lean ferry
^
onyx elk
OH how could i forgot
novel wasp
justice rains from above
onyx elk
that build feels like having a gatling gun instead of fists
novel wasp
rail cries in corner
dire cedar
Hestia cries in corner when someone talks about Arthur sword burst dmg
novel wasp
i really miss bow able to fire multiple support fire with the special
dire cedar
yeah
novel wasp
its not fair
lean ferry
that sounds op
especially if you had chiron aspect
novel wasp
chiron at the end only gives you 6 now
before chiron was having 12
just pew pew pew
ofc it was op
onyx elk
Any good builds for the rail? so far is my least favorite weapon
novel wasp
also remember that was the age where bow special is 15 arrows instead of 9
dire cedar
Rail is one of the best weapons
lean ferry
rail is good for dio & zeus builds tbh
novel wasp
rail is fun if you have delta chamber
lean ferry
use its rate of fire
novel wasp
fire faster than you couldve been
dire cedar
yeah
hollow heron
Rail I basically just camp with
dire cedar
poseidon + zeus rail is funny
onyx elk
That one i like
dire cedar
or Arte burst dmg Hestia
novel wasp
though Rail Q has a lot of potential but a lot of hammers has been restricted
imagine triple cluster bomb
dire cedar
yeah
onyx elk
OOF
novel wasp
ITS RAINING MEN
dire cedar
it's my fav special
onyx elk
:,c
dire cedar
yeah
onyx elk
I had some fun last time using the shotgun hammer mod, but nothing too exiting
lean ferry
be agressive but keep your distance
hollow heron
It is but it also has really good range on non-committal attacks
You never have to commit hard to something
lean ferry
only problem is without some good damage boons, you cant do much
dire cedar
imagine if shotgun would work with Hestia
novel wasp
I WANT DAT RAINING
novel wasp
@dire cedar Aphrodite cries in corner
dire cedar
backstabs
lean ferry
devs: let you use triple & cluster together
fade: a u g h
onyx elk
"The time has come and so have i"
novel wasp
how to crash your game 101
onyx elk
OOF
novel wasp
all you see is the explosion and then you died to a satyr that gave you poison
dire cedar
imagine Athena special
deflecting every projectile in room
by simple pressing one special
novel wasp
No U to its ultimate form
novel wasp
Hades: Did demeter decided that winter is too much and give us rain now?
Zag: laughs in background with triple cluster
onyx elk
Feels nice to kill them just by deflecting
dire cedar
aim bot + 1000km/h projectile speed
onyx elk
dash deflection
novel wasp
predator Missile inbound
god someone need to make a mod of this
unlock all hammer restriction
if you make it I will honor you for centuries
just imagine the craziest build you could have
dire cedar
i'm the only one who rly likes Demeter boons?
novel wasp
except the cast
demeter has some of the sweetest boons
the cast nova and the chill nova especially
hollow heron
The rarity upgrading one is super good
dire cedar
cast is funny if you have good combos
onyx elk
Cast is nice with artemis duo, but i enjoy it bi its own too
novel wasp
i dont enjoy the cast on its own lol
too slow to be useful
i already nuked the whole scene as soon as they finished up the lasering
dire cedar
it's good against ||Hades||
onyx elk
I like because you have to position it well against him in order to maximize the damage
fickle yoke
Hey there guys. I'm on my 44th run (playing since October, I think) and I've seen Than only once. I'm pretty sad about it. Is this considered to be okay? I know that his encounters are pretty rare and random, but idk 😦
tawny patio
Don't bother think too much into it. RNG is always, you know, random.
gleaming crane
Which run was your first encounter with him?
mortal ivy
Yeah but he should show up at least once every 5 runs on average. If it has been like 10 runs, I'd say that's not normal
fickle yoke
oh well, will have to continue playing, don't want to start over, cause I made quite a big progress in other parts of the game
uh, I think when it was around 30-32 runs, so yeah, maybe my save got bugged somewhere between the updates?
mortal ivy
He's also less likely to show up in Tartarus now, so if you don't reach Elysium every run, that can also play into it
That's where he most often shows up in my experience
fickle yoke
I reach Elysium in most of my runs and I'm quite good in taking damage from enemies, so that's odd
mortal ivy
Ok yeah that's definitely not normal then
scarlet canyon
I wish I could pet Cerberus's other heads, he needs more petting
trail helm
Morning. So there's something I still can't wrap my brain around in this game. Do most people who do well and use the new dash spam it or are they deliberate with when they use it? The new ability seems to proc all the time when I spam it but sometimes I'll be way out of position
And are there weapons where the new dash is just bad in comparison? I hadn't played in months before the update, so I never got used to the old style
foggy flame
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653173587485786115/688741340716204095/unknown.png lol the Steam patch notes has a 'y' missing in the title
Double Night
lucid sequoia
limber goblet
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek, Just died on 32h against ||dad in phase 2|| ;-;
I wanna cry
I was sooooooooooo close
If only I didnt lose 3 dd in the bossfight in Elysium
noble sage
so how are you guys liking the alt mirror upgrades?
limber goblet
pretty nice change overall, some perks are severly weaker than their counterparts tho
thick reef
where can i write suggestions for the game (menu controls specifically)?
limber goblet
noble sage
^
thick reef
its locked for me
noble sage
check the pins
limber goblet
check description
noble sage
it's been an interesting challenge to not rely on things we take for granted
thick reef
thx
limber goblet
I cant play without priviledged status tbh
noble sage
ruthless dash isn't as world ending as you would think
limber goblet
I personally pref the ruthless dash tbh
noble sage
it does make it hard to escape the spin attacks tho
limber goblet
nah, just better timing
Im pretty good at using the Iframes the dash grants, so ye
noble sage
I don't trust myself with iframes after getting caught in Elysium's boss sweep attacks
vague perch
Quick question, when using butterfly or plume, do the bonusses stay after switching?
Or do you have to have them equiped
limber goblet
as far as Im aware, no, they are gone
vague perch
alright, thank you
noble sage
Well Styx wasn't meant to be hard persay
noble sage
the final prep to the final boss
if I read what the game is doing right
since that's also where the big store is and thr fact that it's shorter than the other areas
vast dagger
Makes sense i gues
limber goblet
I meant the zones including the bosses
noble sage
Elysium boss is not harder than the final one
noble sage
it's just not a fair comparison since one's upgraded and one is not
limber goblet
its the highest current difficulty, thats what Im going off
noble sage
I getcha
but I'm just saying that's my opinion
and if we're speaking of bosses, am I the only one who feels like asphodel could be harder
limber goblet
Agreed, you must be the only one
stuck comet
Have you done it on heat levels?
noble sage
yeah
stuck comet
What kind?
limber goblet
the only ones really affecting the fight are EM and the HP up
(maybe trap dmg)
oh and speed
stuck comet
And the boss technique
limber goblet
thats EM
stuck comet
Oh.
limber goblet
Extreme Measures
noble sage
I guess it's just imo the weakest bossfight
you're more so harmed by the environment in EM
limber goblet
how is that a problem?
dire cedar
it's hard if you don't have AoE Dmg
stuck comet
Excalibur intensifies
noble sage
it's just a bit boring design imo
limber goblet
grats!
stuck comet
Gg
limber goblet
now youve got the tutorial behind you
worthy egret
lMAO
stuck comet
Yeah, pretty much
delicate arrow
Welcome to the beginning @worthy egret
stuck comet
Now you go onto the rest of the game
noble sage
Nice one!
delicate arrow
I'm still annoyed by the fact it took me 10 hours to clear my first run tbh
Now I'm 100 hours into the game
delicate arrow
I tried each weapon out once , but the stuck with bow
stuck comet
I won first with bow, actually
stuck comet
Bow is aight, but I stick to fists and excal now
stuck comet
Guan yu gets me killed, I don’t use casts too often so I settle with the recharge cast
delicate arrow
Guan yu special is just a better bow that can be dash cancelled
stuck comet
And you have 10 health, congrats
I hate that the heal doesn’t do much, unless you’ve kited everything in the universe over
limber goblet
guan yu is amazing, I love it personally
stuck comet
Once I’m better at not getting hit, I’ll like it
quasi totem
I've just started reaching Elysium. Playing on PC, what really opened this game up was swapping Special and Cast bindings (to putting Special on Rightclick and Cast on Q)
Maybe Cast will be more useful later on?
stuck comet
Once you get cast boons that are good, you’ll find it useful
sand stump
I played on xbox console and switch the Confirm and dash button
dire cedar
Ok Tiny Rat is best mini boss
devout plinth
I imagine tiny rat has a really high godfather voice
stuck comet
Or, on the contrary. A really low Larry the cable guy voice
noble sage
or no voice, just the existential dread that you know he's close
stuck comet
He’s A̴͋͂l̵̿͐ŵ̶̐ȁ̸̚y̷̓̍s̷̅̂ ̵̂́w̷̿̈ä̴͘t̸́͘ć̷̛h̷͐̚i̷̎͛n̸̆͋g̸̔̿
worthy egret
How much blood do you need to put in Stygius before Arthur happens?
stuck comet
||5 iirc||
noble sage
is there a specific number?
stuck comet
Yep
noble sage
interesting
worthy egret
Oomp
chilly maple
how to unlock Megaera heart?
or is it in next update?
well ping me if someone knows how to win best girls heart
"Dusan doesnt count because she would win in heart beat"
gilded sentinel
Why does everyone like ||tiny vermin||? I mean, it's just a reused regular enemy with no interesting mechanics, who wrecks you if you have melee build and is total pushover if you have ranged?
worthy egret
i haven't met it yet but I assume because it's funny
I mean its a ||tiny rat|| wrecking a god
chilly maple
@dire cedar so its automatic thing?
pretty much in unlocks it self?
or do i need to talk to her x amount of time
before i cant raise her love?
stuck comet
The ||tiny vermin|| has several mechanics, like a relocation move, a summon move, a charge, and I think he is fun to use a melee build with
cunning yacht
yea i got to fight it too it was quite nice
wish there is more mini boss like that
in the future
i rly like the mini bosses of styx
regal vigil
New to this board hi - is there any plan to improve the Rail? I find myself not using it because the pace is rather slow comparing to other weapons
chilly maple
whats most powerfull weapoin atm in the game?
sturdy willow
Twin fist seem very high risk high reward type of weapon...good with Zeus attack and Support fire Artemis boon, but you need to add some survivability to it, else you'll get destroyed.
cinder stump
The rail’s base damage is anemic still
sturdy willow
It's supposed to be anemic I think
you pair it with Zeus's or Dio's attack to get extra damage, the high attack speed is the key there I think
cinder stump
@chilly maple shield. Chaos or zeud aspect.
gilded sentinel
Hestia Rail = one shot everything
cinder stump
I hope the Tommy’s Gun hidden aspect ups the base damage
stuck comet
Or fire rate
vague aspen
Hi just came by to leave my thoughts. Am I the only one that thins the Heart-Seeking Bow needs a buff or some changes? It's by far (for me!) my least enjoyable weapon to play and least effective. The rail is a much better long distance weapon and I enjoyed all of the other weapons as well
I a few got escapes with all of the weapons by now
cinder stump
Bow is great, imo
Base form for artemis builds
Chiron for demeter builds
Hera for cast builds
stuck comet
Coronacht is amazing
cinder stump
If nothing else, the hammer upgrades for autofire and double fire will carry you through low heats when paired
stuck comet
It carried me through the low heats
gilded sentinel
I feel like rail is basically better bow
cinder stump
I’d say the weakest weapon currently is exagryph, but just because its basic attack needs a bit more oomph- bomb and cast spam builds are more viable
stuck comet
Even then, the bomb is too slow for bosses sometimes
cinder stump
It’s the weapon most reliant in having the correct boons
stuck comet
Which is hard. Excal is the way to go if you don’t care about boons imo
cinder stump
Though certain boons are still amazing
Frost normals really let you pull the main combo off more easily
stuck comet
Hermès or Athena boons also help
cinder stump
Aphro for even more damage reduction
stuck comet
Ares boon for the special, even
And then the drunkard’s positive outlook so you can get like 80% damage reduction
cinder stump
The main issue is exagryph pretty much can’t deal with the no choice / customs high heat run options
stuck comet
So exagryph just needs a buff, which is hilarious considering it’s the strongest lore wise. Well, maybe more ironic
stuck comet
The bomb is the main attack, really
cinder stump
Yeah
stuck comet
The main fire is for pinging the monsters in between the rest of the combo
vague aspen
Maybe, but I still do considerably better playing with current exagryph than with the bow no matter the build
cinder stump
It can still function at those heats but the actual bullets are kind of useless without zeus and hera
stuck comet
The bullets are good with Demeter
cinder stump
Demeter would provide slows to make it easier to land the bomb
stuck comet
Definitely, if you can’t get the Daedalus upgrade for it
Or, pair it up for a show stopping mess of explosions
dire cedar
exagryph is really good
narrow hemlock
the guy on steam forum insisting that the game's ladies not looking more feminine damages (my) immersion into the game and subject matter. 😬 😬 thats gonna be a yikes from me
inner arrow
If he wants Athena to start lookin' like Aphrodite, he's going to be a bit disappointed
I've found all sprites to be super pretty and really enjoyable to look at.. Hades feels like one of the rare games that don't over-sexualize the cast, and I really appreciate that
narrow hemlock
the thing is, when you look at a lot of the ancient works depicting the gods and goddesses, often times they still resembled any regular human being.
inner arrow
they absolutely have more clothes on in Hades, but yeah, agreed
inner arrow
chuckle worhty.
narrow hemlock
the fact they claim the housekeeper is the most feminine character is also 😬
kinda makes ya think
cinder stump
These are the same guys who went MY IMMERSION over guan yu and arthur
inner arrow
I thought those two were honestly neat
cinder stump
Because history happening in places other than greece and rome makes certain white guys cry
inner arrow
I have been enjoying the game too much to find time to criticize anything to be honest ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder stump
Also I still hope for the secret aspect of bows to be Arjuna or Rama from India
narrow hemlock
i love when mythology and legends and stuff from different regions smash together, but then again i love warriors orochi because i can team up with ares and odin at the same time so what do i know ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder stump
One day Anubis starts handing out blessings to Zag casual style
inner arrow
buddha boons be like, your dash knocks people on the side and deals damage, and your dash lasts as long as you hold the dash button (which makes zag roll around)
normal wraith
So firstly devil's advocate moment: I see his point, outside of Artemis, Athena, Megora, any of the fury sisters really, mother night- Actually no I'm sorry there is literally only one super muscular female in the game the rest of them just look like they're in shape. What is this guy on about?
low venture
as Buddhist i take offense to that
cinder stump
Instead of having each god be a seperate orb, could pack the entire pantheon into the same orb. Each figure only able to give a single boon each due to weakened presence in the area.
inner arrow
Idk, I assumed he meant Athena because she's all armor and sometimes skin
cinder stump
Who is the swole lady? None of them I can recall are particularly buff.
inner arrow
aphrodite
narrow hemlock
honestly i feel it in my bones that theyre probably picking at aphrodite, bc i have seen comments before about her looking "manly," which is probably jarring to people expecting the goddess of love and beauty to be like. stereotypically thin and pretty
cinder stump
Like I’ve seen some super buff women bodybuilders but none of the ones in the game compare
low venture
:0
inner arrow
She's the last one that should be getting comments imo
She's pretty accurate looking in game
narrow hemlock
but even still, most ancient works of even the goddesses depicted them as looking like normal humans, so this guy's expectations are off
cinder stump
Also this is ancient greek beauty aesthetics here- if we wanted to be accurate, Aphrodite would also be fat.
normal wraith
I mean she doesn't look manly, that's about what I imagined her to look like even before this game came out. She's literally just the american standard of beauty who hits the gym a few times a week.
low venture
they should see how chubby her sculpts are
cinder stump
Old cultures loved fat women
T was a sign of well fed health at the time
When food was scarce and disease was unchecked
molten haven
Friendly reminder that body builders worked to make their body into that shape, it's not a body originated by normal training
cinder stump
I am well aware
cinder stump
My point was that guy was full of it
molten haven
European culture valued big hips cuz it meant easy child birth
You won't find many big women from back in the days
cinder stump
Dude we had fat-is-good culture in america until like the early 1900s
inner arrow
Do people report bugs in #h1-tech-support or somewhere else?
narrow hemlock
the op is absolutely full of it lmao, they're saying the characters not being more beautiful ruins their immersion of the subject matter when the subject matter didnt depict the characters in the manner they expected in the first place.
lusty stump
cinder stump
Lots of ads for tonics that “will make your family fat as pigs” as a selling point
molten haven
I'd complain more about her boons than her appearance
warm elbow
@inner arrow I usually report bugs in game by pressing F10
molten haven
She looks fine and looks the part
lusty stump
yeah unless it is SPEC related issue, then all goes to F10
unless it is problems with translation
that goes into #hades-localization
normal wraith
Actually them mentioning Dusa did hint that they were after the submissive Asian stereotype. Which doesn't work, because these are literal gods who can summon hordes of enemies on you just because you didn't pick their side in an argument you never heard.
Then forgive you like 30 seconds later because you aren't dead yet.
low venture
zeus just called nyx a concubine
cinder stump
zeus has always been a creeper
low venture
and i have such a conflicted feeling cuz its accurate to
cinder stump
mr "I'll do ladies in weird forms and sire half the countryside" himself
normal wraith
I mean, it's zues. If Zag was a woman he'd be trying to get you out of hades for very different reasons.
molten haven
Zeus has issues*
low venture
+++
lusty stump
Gods have issues.
molten haven
Except dyonisus
low venture
MA BOi
cinder stump
Zeus once directly birthed Artemis from his forehead, among other weird stuff
narrow hemlock
athena
cinder stump
Yeah Athena but the but censored the stronger word for poop I used and I freud'd it in the repost
sorry
Yes, Athena
molten haven
Athena
cinder stump
There was some other god who was birthed from another god's calves which is uhh
look wild stuff happened in the greek mythos
and the egyptian mythos
narrow hemlock
reminder loki birthed the horse that odin rides
lusty stump
I do think we need to move on from the subject.
cinder stump
I think the joke is we don't because Heracles already dominates the myth discussion from the era
and he has better things to do
Besides, theseus and the minotaur's weird relationship is great
molten haven
Bros
narrow hemlock
isnt there mention of medusa in the game somewhere? i cant recall off the top of my head
molten haven
"bro that was my bro, bro..."
molten haven
That pun
cinder stump
then she got debodied
narrow hemlock
well im just 🤔 because of perseus
onyx elk
Dude bros
cinder stump
you say beheaded, I say debodied
narrow hemlock
like i know the goal isnt to reference every bit of greek mythology ever since at the end of the day this is zag's story above all else, but zeus, athena and hermes making a reference to perseus, especially like after defeating the megagorgon miniboss would be neat
cinder stump
Summon Dusa during the thesuus fight, she should constantly mistake Theseus for Perseus
normal wraith
Spoilers if you haven't gotten the conversation yet but: ||Dusa does literally say at one point that the stone gorgan are made from her blood.||
Also I think it'd be kind of cool if they did something similar to furies with the third floor boss. I mean it'd be great to see someone to have a student/master battle between Zag and Achilles if you get far enough along in his story line. Alternatively no reason perseus wouldn't be a viable boss given that floor already has a shield mechanic they can build off of.
cinder stump
I wouldn't mind more boss variety in Asphodel either. The hydra is neat but some other bosses would be nice too eventually
inner arrow
The problem with Hydra is it lacks a lot of the personality and charm that other bosses have grown to give
The Heroes have a lot of character building and dialogues going, and Furies have a LOT going on, so does Redacted... hydra is just a boney boy and he has no exact reason to be there
normal wraith
Hmm, well that would take away from possible boss fights in the realm of monsters wouldn't it? I haven't personally managed to build up enough feat to jump down there myself but I imagine it'd be neat to face the beasts of legend.
inner arrow
Oh that would be neat indeed, but you could have other characters comment its feats, or things like that.. make it have some relevancy in the story
Hydra is just.. there
I think people talk about hydra sometimes but really not so much
It's fine imo, just different and could be looked into
normal wraith
Personally I think they could build on the hydra by basically making it possible for you to give the hydra a treat. (Usually earned via the realm of monsters bosses I suggested just now.) Probably make it so that way if you did get one you build the relationship and skip the hydra boss.
Since you know, you already faced a final boss for the floor.
cinder stump
Also I want to shower Asterius with the goody juice every other npc gets
normal wraith
Eh, makes sense he wouldn't respond to that type of thing. What could you give a king who drinks the wine of the gods themselves? I'd rather just do it by bringing in items to his chamber that prompts him to fix his afterlife. (Though maybe some way to hint to the player what items and what order they need to be brought in would be nice.)
cinder stump
... What? No, I want to give it to Asterius. Theseus doesn't deserve any of the goodboy treats
normal wraith
Oh, well I mean he already has access to that all the time. I can't see why he'd care about it.
Maybe if you could commission for certain souls to be allowed to live with them?
I imagine the two of them have a number of souls they'd be grateful to see again.
Also, speaking of those bosses- I say zag should get more fans, at least equal to highest heat level you've beaten!
It's not a worthwhile addition. It's absolutely not necessary. Most people won't notice. However it'd be nice.
narrow hemlock
||zag already offers asterius nectar/ambrosia and asterius turns it down, there's no reason for asterius to take those things||
though theseus getting nectar would be funny, if only to watch him go from highly offended to highly confused as to why it keeps happening
normal wraith
Imagine if you could give him nector and it literally just makes his boss fight harder.
narrow hemlock
zag: mistakes have been made
dark cradle
That would be amazing.
normal wraith
Like, they both just go into second phase immediately and remain that way for the whole fight. Naturally you'd get an achievement titled, "What did you think was going to happen?"
dark cradle
I wish Heracles was around so they could have an elimination tag-team cage match against Theseus and Asterius.
I want to see a minotaur elbow drop somebody from a ladder
normal wraith
Would be fun but in his original myth he became an immortal. So there's no way he'd be down there.
dark cradle
Zag can sneak him in.
Also Heracles has just walked into the Underworld before.
Just yeeted Chiron to the side
In myth, anyway.
normal wraith
Zag just start escaping to the surface JUST to bring his friends home. "Hey dad this is-" "ANOTHER ONE?"
dark cradle
It was actually one of the only instances in Greek mythology where Chiron actually says like, words
normal wraith
"This is a realm the mortals are supposed to fear. Now get him out of my sight before he stays here permanently."
dark cradle
Do you think Heracles and Zag would debate on whose dad could beat up whose?
normal wraith
Eh, I'm pretty sure the Heracles myth doesn't leave room for someone who'd care about that one. I could see it with sea god's kid maybe.
sturdy willow
Is it possible to win without any boons?
normal wraith
I'd just say it's unfun to try.
You can get away without having good boons on the first and second floors, but the 3rd will take forever to clear without them and the 4th mostly has enemies with over 1000 health.
narrow hemlock
if you hate yourself and want to spend a couple hours on a run you could probably try without boons
the game isnt built around playing without them entirely though
normal wraith
Assuming you got hearts in place of boons every time you'd have plenty of health to do it. I just had two different variations of the tank run between damage reduction and high health, but neither of them would have been worth playing without some good damage boons.
sturdy willow
well I was just wondering since redacted sometimes says 'if not for ... olympians'
hearts, hammers, and a good weapon, probably the shield to block redacted's attacks
dark cradle
I kind of want to try now.
sturdy willow
and sell any boons you are forced to take throughout the run
dark cradle
Only Hearts would be allowed.
Poms and Hammers are technically from the Olympians too
sturdy willow
Poms wouldn't do anything
normal wraith
You would have to use the pierced butterfly and stack it up pretty high. That's the only way you're getting the damage you need. Chaos doesn't count here because he's underworld. Hammer will give you good damage but you'll need both of the former to really help.
Oh and lots of hearts.
sturdy willow
does hammer count? It's kinda separate from a boon
dark cradle
I suppose since it augments your weapon it's aight
normal wraith
Yeah it's not an Olympian boon.
sturdy willow
Chaos technially does count as a boon I think in the game
normal wraith
It's definitely doable and it'd be interesting if Hades could literally issue that sort of challenge to you.
sturdy willow
at least, the game referrs to it as a boon
normal wraith
Oh well technically he's not an Olympian boon though-
dark cradle
Only one Chaos per Biome then
I'm going to try it rn
I'm just trying to think of what weapon would be best.
Shield is safest but might take ages
sturdy willow
the thing is, you'll be forced to take a boon at the start and throughout, which you'll have to sell
but might not be able to
normal wraith
Fists have the highest damage output according to my knowledge.
Spear also has some good damage upgrades.
sturdy willow
fists have too little range tho, you'll get skewered
iron fog
Unless you get ranged fist hammer
dark cradle
You have the chance of starting with a hammer
iron fog
But that requires.... luck
dark cradle
And you can just sell the first forced boon as soon as able.
I'll try it with fists.
sturdy willow
it would be could if the devs made a pact of punishment option where you literally will not find any boons at all through that run
so you not longer get forced boons
trail helm
Ugh. Spear damage seems so low even with Achilles aspect and lots of special damage boons. Any advice at making aspect of Achilles work?
dark cradle
Actually I think I may try it with Arthur Sword.
normal wraith
Nah should just be a challenge you can issue to hades when you walk up to him. Something like: "Press F to pay disrespect."
dark cradle
The Special might help a little
sturdy willow
Achilles aspect is kinda my fav
boreal pebble
How does the new Nyx mirror things work?
normal wraith
Then suddenly you won't find Olympian boons anywhere, usually gold will appear instead.
sturdy willow
Zeus boon and Support Fire from Artemis makes it work
I use the Achilles special to move around mainly
normal wraith
I actually prefer Hades aspect the most.
sturdy willow
that actually would be pretty cool, you arrive at the end of the run, and just have an option to throw all your boons into the pyre before the fight, and just go in naked essentially
normal wraith
I'd definitely make it so you get a damage bonus for it though. Maybe play into something hinted at in the later Thanos entries.
dark cradle
I'm going to attempt it at 0 Heat first just to see how viable it is
And I'll run Butterfly
normal wraith
Where if you choose to do it he says something like, "I'm using my own power this time."
normal wraith
Oh, yeah that's a good option.
sturdy willow
eh, I hate using sword, because the Special is bugged on Mouse&Keyboard
fluid charm
@boreal pebble You can choose between which Mirror Upgrades are active between different pairs
The little icon next to each upgrade lets you switch
dark cradle
I just took a Cast Boon for the forced first one and I'll not use my Cast until I can sell it
trail helm
@sturdy willow What hammers do you like for Achilles?
sturdy willow
yo if you do it, do not forget to take a screenshot
@sturdy willow What hammers do you like for Achilles?
@trail helm I use the flurry one and the extended range one
dark cradle
Definitely will take a SS
sturdy willow
Flurry + Zeus attack is insane
dark cradle
Got a lucky Chaos Gate on like Chamber 3
normal wraith
I'd think the bouncing one would be a favorite for it, since it guarantees you always jump to an enemy.
dark cradle
Is using Summons allowed?
normal wraith
Only restriction is no Olympian gods, everything else is good.
dark cradle
Sweg
Damn I just tried to reroll a Boon door all 7 times and it came up a Boon each time
oh it's because it's the mini-boss room
normal wraith
Oh well all that matters is that you don't have them when you fight Hades.
Everything else before then is good.
sturdy willow
I think you always get a boon when it's a boon door
at least, when I reroll it it's always just a different god
dark cradle
I'm trying to do the whole thing without them, not just the FB
normal wraith
Then again now that you brought that up about the boon situation. Run may not be possible until we ask the developers to add a special mode for it.
dark cradle
Well so far I'm good.
sturdy willow
yeah, going the whole run without boons will not really work
cuz you'll be forced to pick one at a lot of places
dark cradle
I just picked up Zeus cast and Demeter cast damage ring thing and am avoiding using the Cast.
But I suppose that was lucky
sturdy willow
you're doing pierced butterfly, right?
normal wraith
I'm absolutely hoping for a mode where you get to play into|| that blood god aspect|| achilleas ponders about but I have a feeling that's more narrative than it is something that'll effect gameplay.
dark cradle
Yeah I'm running Butterfly
sturdy willow
eh, personally I'd like it if you could choose at the end what god you want to be
like, it would give a list of options and you choose whichever you like
normal wraith
To be fair, if you look up greek gods they are many, many things beyond their basic attributes. Though the one they suggest already would make the most sense from a powers angle.
sturdy willow
I was thinking the Charon item that gives + duration on them. The Cyclops jerky gives you +40% damage, so it may be better than the butterfly, provided you can get a jerky when facing redacted...you could also get an extra cast perhaps, depending...it's a bit RNG but I'll try it later today
dark cradle
Alright, I'm on to Asphodel now and am purged of Boons once more.
sturdy willow
I'd pick God of Persistence personally
normal wraith
God of never sleeping.
novel wasp
God of Running From Home
sturdy willow
you mean God of never sitting?
I've seen Zag sleep, never seen him sit
even in the bar, he's always standing XD
normal wraith
(Seriously, take a nap its okay man. How many quacking hours is he remaining awake straight between times he decides to take a rest?)
sturdy willow
I think whenever he died and comes back, Hypnos secretly just casts a sleep on him, and when Zag wakes up he thinks he had just arrived
normal wraith
I mean technically he's unconscious while his body is rebuilding itself, but I wouldn't exactly call that restful.
tight obsidian
did they remove the animations from the gods when they speak?
tight obsidian
iirc yes, dionysus' cup used to continuously steam and ares' blade would emit a constant flickering light, etc
those are the two i remember off the top of my head
normal wraith
I think you're seeing things.
tight obsidian
hm
normal wraith
You may want to get some sleep man, we can't all be zag.
fluid charm
Didn’t the Olympians blink though?
tight obsidian
they do currently
paper citrus
I haven't played Hades since like last August, I just launched it and noticed a bunch of the systems are changed
Storywise should I start a new file?
tight obsidian
but i thought i remembered that they had more animated things in their art
paper citrus
I don't mind re-doing content
tight obsidian
yeah
the story flows better now as updates continue
i restarted a save just to get a better experience with this update
paper citrus
I think I will
flat vapor
ares and dio did used to have animations
but due to some unspecified reasons, they were removed
flat vapor
probably interacted badly with something in some way
fluid charm
I saw them too don’t worry
normal wraith
Ugh, means I'm gonna have to start a new file too. I'll just turn on godmode for the second file, I never play with that out of pride but I really would rather not deal with the early farming again.
Oh, my friend's been wondering why he hasn't seen the winter goddess yet, does she only start appearing after you face redacted at least once?
tight obsidian
correct
you must reach the surface, because zags line upon meeting demeter is "last time i felt this i was near the surface"
normal wraith
Also, am I crazy or does stubborn defiance feel harder to work with than the normal death defiance system? You get less health back and you only get one for the final boss? Am I just being a noob and relying on the health having those 3 lives when I get up there too much?
tight obsidian
i like stubborn defiance because its work to keep track of death defiances and it functions as a mini lower bound for health
fluid charm
I think stubborn defiance works better when you have some form of healing like with Draining Knuckle or Guan Yu
tight obsidian
basically what ends up happening is you stack death defiances and face tank the final boss
flat vapor
i think if i were a newer player, i'd choose stubborn defiance
but since i don't usually lose defiances in standard rooms, i prefer death defiance
sturdy willow
yeah no Stubborn is just not that great against redacted
the only reason I ever used it was to get Lambent Plume charges
because you can be super reckless and go in with no care for personal safety
normal wraith
I think Stubborn defiance would be better if it rewarded you for not losing it between rooms. So it could eventually build up to 100% health back the next time you drop to zero.
sturdy willow
that would be great
dark cradle
Elysium was a slog and Dusa really came in clutch for the Flamewheel infested rooms ;;
normal wraith
Or even go above 100 so you actually get more than maximum health temporarily. That way if you say, never end up using it then when you walk into the final fight you end up with a net positive over normal death defiances.
dark cradle
I'm switching to Acorn for FB
dark cradle
Yeah Butterfly became p. hard to stack anyways without any Boons
sturdy willow
yeah that's why I thought the Charon items might be good
or rather, better
Cyclops Jerky is +40% which isn't anything to scoff at
brisk trail
Any direct damage ups with Artemis are super powerful.
sturdy willow
btw, does anyone know if the Companions are supposted to be real or if they're meant to be plushies? Bc they look like plushies, but the codex and characters referr to them as if they're real pets...
brisk trail
Plushies.
sturdy willow
@brisk trail right, but he's doing a run with no boons
merry harbor
They're like Beanie Babiies, they have their own stories and stuff.
brisk trail
Ooohh.
tight obsidian
companion merch when 
normal wraith
I won't lie I'd buy the little bat in a heart beat.
They're my favorite companion both from a mechanical standpoint and a looks standpoint.
fluid charm
I'd love the snake and shady
knotty epoch
Hades webkinz when
fluid charm
Oh speaking of shades that reminds me of something
dark cradle
Had enough gold to get a Titan's Blood
dark cradle
Unfortunately the Satyr Sack is behind a Boon door
2
I've gotten so many Centaur Hearts x]
fluid charm
Do Orpheus, Achilles and Theseus look like they did in life because they're demigods and are able to retain their form in death?
dark cradle
My HP is 313 rn
sturdy willow
maybe you can sacrifice the boon in one of the chambers?
tight obsidian
well they're all somewhat employed by hades
brisk trail
I believe it's because they were all exceptional individuals during life.
tight obsidian
but them having a connectino to the gods definitely helps
normal wraith
I think that's more, "It's too expensive to give every shade unique art."
fluid charm
I think that's also very fair lol
normal wraith
Rather than any unique story reason.
sturdy willow
yup
flat vapor
tamagotchis but they're chthonic companions
tight obsidian
y e s
sturdy willow
I'm doing a run to level up my Bone Hourglass for the no boon run, I'll need that Cyclops Jerky lasting a long time lol
normal wraith
I mean if they were living things I'd be demanding they float around you or follow you around. Possibly complaining if you start dashing around faster than they can keep up.
dark cradle
OK so if I do pull this off it's going to be with a single Boon but it's a Cast Boon and I promise I won't use it
tight obsidian
i mean you could always try doing a no boon run through starting a new save tho you wont have any talents...
sturdy willow
that's not a good idea XD
tardy apex
I got Dead Cells recently and could only muster 5 hours of playtime before uninstalling... Hades ruined other roguelikes for me
tight obsidian
at that point the game just becomes a war of attrition lol
sturdy willow
a no boon no talent run is the peak of masochism XD
tardy apex
Combat action ones that is
flat vapor
the codex confirms that nyx, all powerful being of night and mother to many terrible gods, is an avid plush collector
sturdy willow
right, Nyx gave Dusa the plushie according to a conversation
tight obsidian
enter the gungeons pretty good if you wanna check that out @tardy apex
sturdy willow
but the weird thing is, Meg referrs to battie as if it were a live bat
normal wraith
To be fair, I don't think there's a single underworld god that takes themselves particularly seriously besides hades.
tardy apex
Already played that
tight obsidian
ah
sturdy willow
uhh, Demeter as well
tight obsidian
oh yeah weird point shes says something about a litter of bats?
normal wraith
Even Chaos is always mocking how the boon system works.
sturdy willow
Chaos is such a sassy character lol
tight obsidian
"how can my power over all existence help you rn"
merry harbor
They're pretty great
sturdy willow
Artemis is my fav tho
normal wraith
Even meg sees you walking up with like 30 bottles of nector and just says, "Oh, thank you for turning this contraband in."
sturdy willow
I just don't how to get the relationship past the lock yet
well Meg is just cheeky, she knows you're not really turning in contraband XD
normal wraith
Won't lie I had to double check that there was a zero percent change of an Artemis romance option before I made any decisions on that front.
tight obsidian
zag getting really meta with giving than nectar is so funny
normal wraith
Like when she started going full, "WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS!?" I just saw those two clicking at the very least as good friends.
merry harbor
I, too, shower my friends with gifts whenever possible to the point they start messing with me about it
normal wraith
I mean to be fair Zag literally only drinks health potions. What else is he going to do with that stuff?
Like you can sit there for an hour and he'll refuse to drink out of the cooler like, 8 glasses a day dude. Didn't your mother ever- Err, bad subject.
sturdy willow
I dunno, I kinda wish you could start a long distance relationship with Artemis
normal wraith
Eh, virgin goddess. I could see him getting into a romance with her but not without a 100 years of hunting together.
sturdy willow
eh, Hera and Zeus are brother/sister, greek gods don't care about that sort of thing
humans only do bc genetics, which isn't really something gods would care about?
merry harbor
that's been discussed by supergiant ad nauseum in the past, not aa thing that's gonna happen
normal wraith
NOT GONNA STOP THE FAN ART
tight obsidian
i mean incest is really only immoral because of the power imbalance but this isn't really the place to get into that discussion
flat vapor
except sgg has specifically rewritten the lore in game to not be incestuous
and also discussion of which on this server is frowned upon
sturdy willow
really? Is Hera not Zeus' sister then?
tight obsidian
afair no
i believe demeter, hestia, and hera were born from hyperion and theia; zeus, poseidon, and hades were born from cronos and rhea
flat vapor
they were changed to foster sisters
sturdy willow
makes sense I guess
merry harbor
Yup! That's what I remember hearing, too.
sturdy willow
it's one way to make sure the game's age rating can stay the way it is
cerulean iris
it's also a storytelling decision and i'm not telling anyone they have to like it, but like, creative control is a perk of indie games imo
sturdy willow
Greek mythology (or rather mythology in general) is full of weird stuff that modern sensibilities wouldn't approve of
I liked the little nod from Poseidon about the Bull of Minos
tight obsidian
shudder
normal wraith
I mean to be fair most older mythologies are so convoluted that if you were to go into the full explanation of how everyone was born people would literally forget who was related to who.
cerulean iris
there's a bit of talk about that in previous #ask-supergiant amas if y'all are curious
worthy egret
Honestly Zag needs to practice some self care
Only ever bathes in styx, doesn't sleep unless its for plot, doesn't get his 8 glasses a day, claims he's not hungry
Like, BOY
cerulean iris
oh word
worthy egret
Like zag same but come on
dark cradle
Yo how tf do screen shots like, travel through TIME in Borderless mode
tight obsidian
is there any reason he also refuses to s i t d o w n
dark cradle
I went to screen shot the victory screen and it gave me a screen shot of Zag standing in front of Cerb
cerulean iris
"More pain and suffering for sure. After all you taught me to appreciate the finer things" 😭
merry harbor
Hades does say "There will be no sitting down in my house" when you buy one of the chairs which is. :/
sturdy willow
did you beat it Cale?
flat vapor
i mean, most of the residents just float anyways
merry harbor
1.) false, and 2.) way petty and mean
flat vapor
so hades has a point
dark cradle
I did. Is there a way to bring the Victory screen back up or do I have to take a lame SS of me standing there after the fact with my Boons open
tight obsidian
theres the archive
merry harbor
I think it was the one by the uhh, west hall? But it was like a month ago.
worthy egret
well i mean the dead dont sleep or sit do they
sturdy willow
that or go to archives
dark cradle
The tag was 'Boon Purger' btw
worthy egret
We've only seen hypnos do a slep
flat vapor
you can tell that ||zag isn't the son of nyx|| because he doesn't float
sturdy willow
lol
tight obsidian
i mean technically he could if you count the spinny thing he used to be able to do
but thats gone now 😔
sturdy willow
he still floats
flat vapor
spinny thing was removed 😔
worthy egret
which begs the question, does than sleep because i feel like he doesn't. Can he even? Like what would happen if he did? Since the way sisyphos beat him was by chainung him so he couldnt move and thus death couldnt happen
So if than takes a nap does death just stop
flat vapor
hypnos willingly takes on all of than's sleeping needs
tight obsidian
aww
flat vapor
because he's a good brother
worthy egret
Byhdhff
sturdy willow
I think Hypnos could make Than sleep
worthy egret
Consider: than is a hardcore workaholic
dark cradle
Posting it in #h1-builds-and-combat
normal wraith
Honestly I make fun of the sleep thing but with what's suggested to be his godly aspect, it makes sense he never feels the need to rest unless he's specifically upset about something.
merry harbor
He can obviously take breaks or time out of his schedule so I thiiink he's allowed to. just not very long.
tight obsidian
hypnos can cast sleep spells according to the first memory so
sturdy willow
the Narrator says that Hypnos helped Zag out by making everyone sleep in the House
worthy egret
Im very sure Hypnos could, since he was able to put Zeus to sleep in mythology
flat vapor
let 👏 hypnos 👏 interact 👏 with 👏 than 👏 more
worthy egret
Hypnos: THANATOS IF YOU DO NOT TAKE A S E A T RIGHT NOW IM GOING TO MAKE YOU BLACK OUT I DONT CARE YOU HAVE WORK-
normal wraith
"Hades would kill you for that." "But you'd be asleep so..."
worthy egret
Hypnos: I HAVE CAT VIDEOS I WANT YOU TO SEE YOU DIDNT RESPOND WHEN I SENT THEM TO YOUR HADESBOOK
flat vapor
in one of hypnos's few interactions with than, he literally suggests than just kill everybody at once so they can spend more time together
and if that ain't the saddest stuff in the world
worthy egret
That was hilarious
flat vapor
funny but still
normal wraith
I mean it's funny in a depressing way.
flat vapor
than stop being a bad bro
worthy egret
He just has dif views on things
dark cradle
Poor Hypnos :(((
normal wraith
I mean, when you're job is to relieve those dying of the slowest deaths pain, your job is pretty important. Could you imagine if he just stopped and old men just sat there slowly getting older until they point they're in a useless permanently starving body?
worthy egret
Hypnos just puts his foot down, taps Than's forehead and the death incarnate drops like a sack of potatoes
tight obsidian
isn't hermes also a soul trafficker and helps than out sometimes
merry harbor
all Than has to do is not get hit, right
Hermes leaads people to the Underworld to pass them off to Charon, I think? He's a psychopomp or something?
normal wraith
Okay Silvaria we both know he's not good at that if he can't even dodge Zag.
merry harbor
oof
worthy egret
Wh
worthy egret
You know what im thinking about
Talkative Hermes trying to make conversation with Charon or Than and failing miserably and feeling awkward
dark cradle
Have any of you told Hermes to shut up the next time you see him?
worthy egret
I'm not a monster
dark cradle
I just tell him to keep talking every time I'm prompted
tight obsidian
same
i think it only really happens if you skip through dialogue a lot which i force myself to not do often
flat vapor
dark cradle
It's happened to me twice now
sturdy willow
yeah he asked me only once too
normal wraith
It'd be fun if there was a mini-game where in one chamber hypnose just starts chasing you around trying to put you to sleep.
worthy egret
Sounds like me at every morning lecture
normal wraith
Kind of like a reverse than but instead of trying to earn more kills you're trying to clear the room without being touched.
worthy egret
THANOS
normal wraith
On one hand I'd be absolute for it being something that could just simply end your run and have you wake up in bed back home. On the other hand that would suck.
So maybe it'd be better if it just ended the chamber with no reward.
worthy egret
Hypnos has just sleep right, not dreams or whatever?
Isnt anither child of hades a goddess of nightmares
fluid charm
I think dreams is Oneiros?
tight obsidian
i feel like one of nyxs daughters does that
normal wraith
Dreams is one of his brothers.
fluid charm
There’s Phobos
normal wraith
Possible npc in the future?
tight obsidian
thats more fear though
fluid charm
Epiales
dark cradle
Dreams is Morpheus.
fluid charm
Right dreams is Morpheus
tight obsidian
hm
fluid charm
I can’t believe I forgot his name since I read Sandman
tight obsidian
why'd i associate them with nyx
dark cradle
Morpheus, Dorpheus, Orpheus
Go eat some walruses
worthy egret
RED PILL OR THE BLUE PILL
normal wraith
Wait so, does that mean he could potentially have plot elements involving going to sleep to see his sister?
fluid charm
Epiales (nightmare demon) is often numbered among the Oneiroi so that could be why
All the Oneiroi are children of Nyx
normal wraith
That's be really cool.
dark cradle
Well not technically.
But he grew up thinking he was Nyx's child, so her children are effectively his siblings.
Except when you want to, y'know 😉
tight obsidian
lmao
normal wraith
I'm 50/50 on that because unless SSG made a lore change Hades could just be lying.
thick reef
is there a way to attach a screenshot to #hades-feedback ?
tight obsidian
thats fair
worthy egret
Theres also Macaria and Plutus
thick reef
oh, thx
dark cradle
Zagreus is like the obscure God.
normal wraith
Well, if it's an underworld god there's a chance.
After all there is plenty of trinket slots left.
worthy egret
Can i just say that i loved the nods and jokes to the myths where zag and dionysus are one person
dark cradle
Yeah that was clever.
worthy egret
I loved it sm
dark cradle
And so so meta
inner arrow
its amazing
normal wraith
Wait is that actually in the greek myth?
worthy egret
Yes!
dark cradle
Yeah, Zag is the Proto Dio.
worthy egret
In one version anyway
dark cradle
In the oldest version.
worthy egret
In the other he is the underworld zag we know
tight obsidian
my ultimate dream is to have daedelus replace the house contractor, have hestia for the fountains/maybe centaur hearts too or something, hera do something with a summon/maybe with companions, apollo with temp hp, hephaestus replace daedelus hammers, and tantalus as the head chef
whoops the conversation changed already. too slow
normal wraith
I'd rather have Daedelus be someone you meet during your run. Potentially he could offer a choice of 3 weapon variant specific upgrades and give some decent backstory on why some of the underworld is the way it is.
sturdy willow
Daedalus is supposedly somewhere in the house isn't he? He made that chariot for the Extreme measures +3 for Theseus
dark cradle
Where tf is Icarus
tight obsidian
daedelus is constantly building the underworlds chambers
sturdy willow
who's the Narrator tho?
tight obsidian
and thats why he leaves hammers around for zag to pick up
dark cradle
The Narrator is Goku
normal wraith
Something like if you're using Guan Yu one of his upgrades could be that it decrease your health and healing by 25% less or so.
sturdy willow
I tried guessing who it could be but nobody really matches?
it has to be an old man, but who?
dark cradle
I think it's Homer
tight obsidian
its zag from the future :bigbrain:
normal wraith
Plato is a good one as well.
tight obsidian
does it have to be anyone is my question
dark cradle
It has to be everyone
normal wraith
If it was a woman I'd guess it was gaia herself but...
dark cradle
Oh.
This is a side thing.
But y'know the Death Barge.
It's blatantly a giant spine and ribcage.
Do you think that's from a Titan
tight obsidian
hm
normal wraith
I definitely think it's from a titan.
dark cradle
Because it's way bigger than Hades is physically and he's a God.
tight obsidian
perhaps
tight obsidian
hyperion?
possibly
though demeter makes it sound as if hes still alive or soemthing
wait no she said "hated"
hmm
normal wraith
To be fair, with the titans and gods they are still alive even in that state.
flat vapor
hades just has a very specific sense of taste
dark cradle
I mean it could just as well be a Giant.
Giants were also powerful in Greek myth.
The King of the Giants, Poryphirion, even ripped out Zeus' tendons
normal wraith
True but if you look at the barge and its size that creature would have had to have been HUGE.
normal wraith
Grr, anyway maybe that's it, it also something SSG might never reveal just to drive us batty.
dark cradle
Yeah I doubt they'll ever explain its origins.
Maybe it was just made a giant ribcage for the aestheticTM
tight obsidian
wait a second you got me thinking
if asphodel used to be a flowery meadow and phlegethon flooded or something then it was clearly buried, definitely not just vibing in asphodel for sh*ts and giggles
normal wraith
That's kind of what I want the dude who's actually building the place interactable for.
tight obsidian
i agree but i don't really think we need to talk to them during a run
tight obsidian
i think daedelus could function as a cautionary tale to zag about obeying your parents but begrudgingly giving out orders and building things with the gems zag acquires
bonus points if icarus is referenced
dark cradle
I want a blatant "Don't fly too close to the sun" warning from Daddy Daed
Also isn't Daed primarily working on the Styx chambers?
dark cradle
Well my reasoning is that on the map
normal wraith
I don't know, he could offer some really cool stuff that could change the runs or skip rooms if we're aiming for speed runs.
tight obsidian
i think all thats referenced is "hes somewhere in the underworld lol"
tight obsidian
hm
normal wraith
I mean, imagine if you entered his chamber and he offered you a way to skip to the current boss, increase how many rooms it take to get there by 5, or open up 6 different paths with 6 different rewards.
dark cradle
Do you think Asterius resents Daedy at all
tight obsidian
nah
normal wraith
Spit balling obviously but he's got a couple of cool options that work narratively.
tight obsidian
if anything hes probably grateful in a very indirect manner for daedelus putting him in contact with king thesius
why does that look spelled wrong
thesius...
dark cradle
Theseus
normal wraith
It's a greek name, I literally call them all by nick names because I'm too american to remember.
tight obsidian
but if we're going with the theory that the house shades are placeholders for future npcs, then who on earth is the wretched broker
normal wraith
Not sure if any of those with a menu would be turned into npcs that talked. I think SSG doesn't really want to make it so everything talks back when you walk up to use it.
(Plus you realize how much sass Zag would get when he says, "What am I, made of gemstones?")
sturdy willow
@dark cradle How much heat do you think a boonless run should be worth?
dark cradle
I'd say like, at least 5 Heat.
stuck rover
Did anybody else at all save up 2500 gemstones because they didn't know how to switch to the other tabs with a controller and thought that the cosmetic options would be unlocked later?
Just me?
worthy egret
Ooomf
stuck rover
yeah but it didn't say what buttons to press
I'm scrambling to defend myself here but i know I'm just dumb
nocturne rampart
Just cleared 5 to 16 heat in a row with Arthur's sword.
This weapon is totally broken lmao
normal wraith
Well you see in dnd, we call this a nat 1 on a perception check.
tight obsidian
lmao
normal wraith
(Don't say too much about it being broken I wanna turn ;o;)
tight obsidian
wtf why did achilles tell me to go to my room in a stern voice :c
nocturne rampart
And does anyone as find a good build with the fists ? I keep trying but haven't find anything good with them...)
stuck rover
I take rolling knuckle any time i can
normal wraith
Demeter is pretty good, you can stack up winter really quick for the high damage explosion.
nocturne rampart
I know that I'm only playing with Athena / Aphrodite and Artemis for the Sword
Deflect is sooo good
And the 20% crit bonus too
normal wraith
Eh, it's so, so for me. Redacted only really has one attack that you can deflect back.
nocturne rampart
Just done 3500 damages on final boss
normal wraith
Which I'm typically standing like 3 feet away from him when he launches anyway so there's no way to dodge.
nocturne rampart
Oh yeah
normal wraith
Granted it's great a room clear early on so it's still worth.
It just sucks its basically useless against the two final bosses.
worthy egret
Also can i just say
Dialogue spoiler: ||That i smiled so hard when Zeus tried to set Zag up with Artemis||
knotty epoch
s p o i l e r s
normal wraith
Wha-
nocturne rampart
Oh what I haven't unlock that thing
normal wraith
WHY YOU-
nocturne rampart
Put that in spoilers please
normal wraith
IT'S TOO LATE
worthy egret
AH CHRIST
normal wraith
IT'S ALREADY CRAILING IN MY MEMORY.
worthy egret
ITS NOTHING TOO BIG THOUGH JUST A FEW LINES OF DIALOGUE
knotty epoch
spoiler tagging isn't really helpful when it has no context
worthy egret
ITS LIKE, a ||duo boon|| convo
normal wraith
Eh I wasn't that upset, I figured that would happen.
nocturne rampart
OMG IT DOESN'T STOP
worthy egret
I SPIILED IT
vast junco
maybe edit your original spoiler'd message with context beforehand haha
normal wraith
I definitely feel like SSG realizes how well Zag x Art does with the fan base and are poking fun at it.
Like I realize it's weird, but I also can't see them at related, at all.
vast junco
it's playing off of how her character already has been, yeah
normal wraith
To be fair, Zag never goes to bed. She'd remain that way.
worthy egret
LMAO
worthy egret
DONT REPEAT MY CLOWNERY CHRISTS SAKE