h1-discussion

[lusty stump]

eh I get kiss of styx such way so may as well

[lusty stump]

okay run gone, I should really turn on god mode for 32 heat considering I am really just doing it for the sake of feeling the house being fully decorated.

[tawny patio]

@lusty stump Have you obtained all the bounties of the weapon (i.e. up to 20 heat levels of the shield) yet? I just found out that it might help you achieve a better build.

[lusty stump]

well I have fully upgraded the weapons I use, but no, I haven't really done enough runs for all weapons to have 20

[tawny patio]

Okay then. I'm in the same position: not all bounties obtained, attempted 32 heat challenge and failed.

And I'm looking for ways to cheat within the game's rules

It should work equally well if you have the bounties from the bosses of first 3 stages

So I'd say maybe just, um, forget about the 32 heat challenge until you had all the bounties.

Guess I should explain this whole thing in detail somewhere else.

[lusty stump]

Well I suppose so have to go with that, it will take a lot of runs, but having maxed out everything else should indeed make it easier with practice.

[tawny patio]

Yeah. And you could totally try to increase the heat slowly. Say, start with 24 heat, practice and adjust.

[lusty stump]

it's also the fact I can't really get used to tight deadline, but otherwise it opens up a can of worms depending on rng or making something practically cut out in replacement.

[dreamy dirge]

Does anyone know if outfits are in the works?

If I could change armors on this toon, I dont think I would leave my house

[deep pivot]

People suggested it on feedback and it has had plenty of upvotes. Hopefully the devs will implement something of the sort 🙂

[remote gazelle]

Is there a way to skip bosses you have already beaten? Seems a little tedious going thru them each play through...

[brisk trail]

No.

[marsh jackal]

Just get a companion and blaze through

[remote gazelle]

How do I get a companion?

[marsh jackal]

Give specific npcs nectar, when that maxes out you typically have to finish some sort of quest then you can give them ambrosia once you do that you get a companion

[remote gazelle]

So I can have a Cerberus at my side?

[marsh jackal]

No

[brisk trail]

How do we get diamonds and titan's blood after completing the game with all the weapons ?

[radiant tangle]

You have to ||turn up the heat on the Pact of Punishment and beat the game more||

[brisk trail]

Well I'm on 15 and I don't get any atm

[radiant tangle]

I remember hearing that it stops giving rewards after a certain point, although I'm not sure if that's still the case. Can someone else who knows more help with this?

[brisk trail]

Well I'll make some research and I'll tell you if I find anything concerning it, either way I'll wait to see if somebody can tell me

[patent umbra]

you gain no more bounties past 20

[marsh jackal]

I hope that changes

[lusty stump]

Also make sure you cleared all bounties in heatless, since if you use heat it will start a new counter.

[marsh jackal]

Because if that’s true you couldn’t max out all aspects once they fully release unless you go to the shop several times

[brisk trail]

I see

[knotty epoch]

you'll be able to max all aspects like that though?

[marsh jackal]

Right now however there’s enough titan blood to max all weapons

Right now it is possible if 20 is the cap

[knotty epoch]

they're adding another weapon, in case you've forgotten

[marsh jackal]

Yeah but that weapon will have aspects too

[lusty stump]

I think even then you can just farm for the ||last shop to buy extra titan blood or diamond.||

[knotty epoch]

oh math is hard

[patent umbra]

I have over 100 titan blood after completing all the bounties

[tacit tide]

I have an important question

Are there hirez versions of the paintings you buy for the manor anywhere?

Not even hirez, just versions I can view in greater detail

[knotty epoch]

they'd need rewards for about 10 more heat after the limit to max all aspects, if i did my math properly this time

[worthy egret]

ok so

how

do i fish

i want fishys

i have a ro

rod

[tawny patio]

See the wiki https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing

Right now it costs 36 Titan Blood to fully upgrade a weapon's all apsects (51 for the spear).

One weapon can earn 21 * 2 = 42 Titan Blood

[worthy egret]

FISH TIME

[tawny patio]

I'd say the new weapon could pretty much pay for it self.

[knotty epoch]

heck math

[brisk trail]

In the end, the ways to get the rewards are either the shop or you don't get any at all after completing the game

[marsh jackal]

It’s 2 per full run 21 runs counting the heatless run

Just spear has all aspects and max at 5/15/16/15

5 + 15 + 16 + 15 = 51

Rest are 5/15/16

(5 + 15 + 16) x 4 = 144

144 + 51 = 195

195 / 2 = 97.5 runs required let's just say 98

98 / 5 = 19.6 runs per weapon required to max each one

Each weapon can get 21 x 2 titans blood or 42 x 5 for a total of 210 titans blood available and a 22 titan blood quest for doing all parts of pacts of punishment for a grand total of 232 titans blood just for playing the game

Assuming each run takes 30 minutes
98 x 30 = 2,940 minutes or 49 hours

If each weapon had a fourth aspect it’d be (5 + 15 + 16 + 15) x 5 255 titans blood to max

You would have to get 35 titans blood from shopping and if there was a sixth weapon (5 + 15 + 16 + 15) x 6 = 306 titans blood to max

The 21 run total x 2 x 6 + 22 for quest = 274 so you’d need 32 from shop to max

[tawny patio]

The quests give 22 blood in total.

[marsh jackal]

Now to edit

[tawny patio]

Also Guan Yu aspect costs 15 blood, not 16

[marsh jackal]

I don’t want to do this edit

[knotty epoch]

you don't have to

just accept that math is too much work

[marsh jackal]

I did all that math with a calculator

and memory

[knotty epoch]

fair but also still too much work for me

[scenic glade]

when's the next major update?

[marsh jackal]

15/14 days i think

[remote lily]

03.10.2020

MM.DD.YYYY, to be clear for all XD

[plush dagger]

I can't believe the next update is in 8 months

jk

[marsh jackal]

How do you get orpheus to teach you to play the lyre

[jade grove]

You need a lot of Use commands

Spam them until dialogue, see if Orpheus has dialogue next time, repeat. For an eternity.

[verbal jungle]

Sounds exactly like how learning a new instrument feels like...

[jade grove]

That's the joke™️

[remote linden]

guys are the locked rooms in the house accessible

[brisk trail]

No.

[remote linden]

[silent pumice]

One day, we can only hope.

[calm laurel]

woe is me

[spring plaza]

Oh yes, #Zerogamer, it would be nice to check the painting with: Examine

[devout furnace]

yo guys

have the been any updates in the last month?

i have been away

[modern garnet]

What's the last update you saw?

[devout furnace]

i dont remember tbh

a lot has happened the last month

my life kinda tanked

but im back on my feet now

though, i dont really remember much of what i was doing before it all went to hell xd

@modern garnet

[flat vapor]

the last update was in january, the long winter update

[modern garnet]

They added demeter among other things

[spring plaza]

#Sir Litchiticus, hope all is better if not fine now for you

[fair prairie]

Crush shot+snow burst=fun

[spring plaza]

The Ultimate boon from Demeter (killing opponent at 10% of their life left) is awesome

[scarlet jolt]

Ugh, made it to half health of hades second phase

I'll miss the nuke spears, is there a pattern to the beams?

[spring plaza]

@scarlet jolt Not really. However, you can see when Hades plant his spear in the ground that it is time to get on cover. You can hide behind few stones / pillars. Be careful, sometimes it is a bit tricky

[scarlet jolt]

Alright I'll try that next time

Thanks

[spring plaza]

With weapon with pseudo homing such as spear / shield / bow (Chiron aspect) or big effect area (rail gun) you can hide and still do damage to Hades (and his goons). Some cast such as Demeter / Ares can be used while you hide. Artemis cast can be throw from a safe place and still hit (needs some space to curve on target though)

So you can use that time of Hades busy beaming to do damage. The worst is if a green amphora or a goon is around your safe spot

@scarlet jolt I forgot to tag you in my explanation

[scarlet jolt]

Oh wow yea that sounds way easier

Plus now I have demeter unlocked now since I believe I just needed to reach hades, how good is her stuff on spear?

[primal whale]

I find the new diagrams on the wiki less clear than the written out version before for boon tiers

[spring plaza]

@scarlet jolt Not being a pro. But try to find the decay boon and stack boon....that quiet helps

Plus if you could find her Heroic / Ultimate that kills anything below 10% life

A bit like Doom effect from Ares

Or Poison from Dyonisus

[winged haven]

with hades' beams, you can also stand pretty much on top of him and his beams wont be able to hit you, bc they spawn further from him than your hit box is in diameter

[scarlet jolt]

Intention or bug?

[winged haven]

not bug but not intention

at least, they intended for them to spawn a certain distance, but youre not breaking the game

exploit probs

but u dont have to do it if ur an honorable soul

[spring plaza]

@winged haven It happened to me but when I try, it is not always reliable.

[winged haven]

yeah, its a bit exact

any movespeed buff will make it kinda hard

[scarlet jolt]

Nah, honor isnt a factor, just curious if it was going to be patched

[winged haven]

it could easily be, its only a matter of fixing the radius of the beams from the origin

but its also not like a huge thing, its situational but it also gives u like 4 seconds of free damage haha

[spring plaza]

@winged haven When increasing Heats, even 4 seconds damage free is good

[west chasm]

All these guys at 20 heat and i'm still at like 4 barely

[night turret]

Yeah, their smug aura mocks me.

[spring plaza]

To be sincere, the HEAT system feels like an added hardcore mode to balance the permanent upgrades.

Why not, just not give any permanent upgrades which could become accessible through boons or bought with in game currency with any run...It is in fact the problem of the new rogue like games. Dead-Cells has somehow the same problem.

[primal whale]

I feel like the current system works (outside of some things that could be improved) and it more boils down to preference

I think the heat concept could be improved upon, but i like it

[spring plaza]

@primal whale You are on point. Nothing can please everybody anyway.

[primal whale]

Yeah I just think any system could be fun if the devs commit to it fully and do it well

[west chasm]

There's always the challenge/reward ratio

Unless handled well, most can end up being chores or obnoxious

Hades manages itself well in that it's not necessary to take radical leaps in difficulty to unlock new elements

You pick individual things that you think you can handle with your current weapon and slowly incorporate more elements

It's a more realistic approach to the way humans improve

They start small, and take one step at a time

Although i would like to see how more this can be explored, given it's all early access

Personally i don't enjoy Dead Cells because of the sudden spikes of difficulty between BC and the extreme emphasis on not getting hit

[spring plaza]

I just find some Heats are going against what the game is actually. More enemies, more damage, traps more dangerous, new patterns for the bosses is all fun but then...less boons, less money, less heart or less strenght (Mirror related Heat) feels like deconstructing what is the game about... enjoying random combinations in order to escape...and in fact make the permanent upgrades often redundant or useless in some ways. But as said by @primal whale it is all down to what we do do with it.

But,

[west chasm]

I believe that No Choice is fitting for the game, but maybe raises heat too little for what it is. Again, it can be used on its own to rack up "easy" rewards during the first few caps, so maybe that's why

[knotty epoch]

No choice fits; it just also feels bad because you see what you could have had

[spring plaza]

@west chasm At leads Dead Cells is quit logic with the difficulty, more cells = more enemies with more damage and more cells or better weapons on the road. In Hades, somehow some of the Heat force to play the game without what makes it what it is...But just my feelings. Doesn't prevent me to play the game trying to beat the Heats

[west chasm]

Yep, that's the worst part lol

Maybe there should be some sight over the boon slot that says "Out of order" or something like that

Just as to not cringe at RNG

[primal whale]

@spring plaza Yeah I understand your point, but like you said, I think both methods of increasing difficulty are equally valid. The heats do need some work in balancing ||(Massively restricting darkness for 1 measly heat)|| but I like the overall theme of, as you get better and more knowledgeable about the game, the weaker you get and stronger the enemy becomes. It made me feel like I really learned how to play the game better and I appreciated how I improved. A different system could also be equally as fun, but this is just what they chose.

@spring plaza Also did dead cells get a big update recently?

[west chasm]

The thing about some ridiculous pact giving you a serious handicap for neglectable heat could be due to them being "irrelevant" when taken alone or at certain points

[primal whale]

I can see it being intended

and expected to be one of the last chosen

[west chasm]

For example, the darkness cap pact might not even take away upgrades at all if you use it right away, as most people don't max out the mirror by the time they unlock it

[primal whale]

only for the elite

Not sure exactly what you mean

[tribal sapphire]

No Choice isn't nearly as crippling when you absolutely do NOT look at the things it blacked out

[knotty epoch]

If you're used to playing with budget cuts when you start, then it's not that different later on since you never really experience how good some of the mirror upgrades are

[tribal sapphire]

it's easily the most devastating Heat modifier if you look at them every time

[west chasm]

Wait i just thought

[night turret]

It takes to be a strong man to deny what's right in front of him.

[primal whale]

I don't want to spoil anything. ||The darkness cap pact gives you one heat per level, so it's usually the last one you choose in a given run. You can get up to something like 45 heat without it, so I think the devs added it as a choice for when you wannna do a max heat run (which is nearly impossible). They did make it part of a prophecy, which I like because it gives you incentive to pick it at least once.||

[west chasm]

How does the demeter heal boost interact with Lasting Consequences?

[primal whale]

@remote saffron I agree

@tribal sapphire I actually don't like it because it reduces your game to like 99% rng

[tribal sapphire]

i don't like it at higher levels because being strong is important

[west chasm]

I mean, it's sorta fun to use no choice at times lol

[primal whale]

that's not difficult, it's just dumb

[west chasm]

For meme fun runs

[tribal sapphire]

but up to heat like 14 or so you can just use Extreme Measures, No Choice, and then some of the minor things without much issue

[primal whale]

maxed no choice just encourages you to run the seed, write everything down, and then change weapons accordingly

[west chasm]

Not every time you play has to be against the next heat cap

[primal whale]

and restart

And also just hope for the best

[west chasm]

I usually play with hard labor and forced overtime

[primal whale]

I agree, it is fun to just go with the flow

and let fates decide your build

its relaxing on low heat

[west chasm]

The fates do decide my build when there's a boon i have yet to pick

I do as the scroll guides

[tribal sapphire]

with No Choice, you can just go in like

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-action-drama-joker-heath-ledger-gif-3472148

[west chasm]

Zagreus lives in a society!?

BOTTOM TEXT

[primal whale]

It changes the game quite a bit, it could be its own mode

[tribal sapphire]

one thing that kinda sucks just in-lore-wise

[spring plaza]

@primal whale Latest Dead Cells update was a paid DLC with 2 new biomes and bosses (and weapons and stuffs). Just before they release an update which allows you to play the various version of the game from first build in easy access to the official release

[tribal sapphire]

is that you can get the Duo Boon dialogues

with No Choice

and not be able to get the Duo

[west chasm]

I mean

[tribal sapphire]

I got the "Oh ho, my son Ares has a gift for you young Zagreus!"

and then I'm like

[west chasm]

It's in the name

No Choice

[tribal sapphire]

"welp, I'm not allowed to take it."

[primal whale]

@spring plaza Is it worth buying?

[west chasm]

Sounds like off topic talk but ok

[spring plaza]

@primal whale The DLC with new biomes?

[primal whale]

Yeag

yeah

Heh sorry

I forget

I've luckily never had to be denied a duo boon yet

that sounds depressing, unless its curse of longing

[spring plaza]

@primal whale I did buy it (to support a great product and a French studio...anywayI have Dead Cells since early access) but it is for good players...I didn't play for months and I could feel the heat at 2C

[tribal sapphire]

it was just a bummer because they did the dialogue for it

[west chasm]

Hey wtf curse of longing is epic :(((

[tribal sapphire]

I actually did a No Choice/EM ~10 heat sword run

and literally got the Dash-Attack Merciful End build anyway

on the right moves and everything. absolutely absurd.

[primal whale]

@spring plaza Yeah I played the game a lot a while ago (I think in early access as well). One of my faves, but some considerable new content would be a good excuse to revisit it

[remote saffron]

@primal whale hm?

[primal whale]

sorry end of off topic convos

[west chasm]

Idk why the game wants me to get Zeus boons with Hestia

I wanna 360 noscope

[primal whale]

Does it increase the lightning damage?

[west chasm]

No?

[primal whale]

Im guessing no but that would be fun

Not great

but fun

[west chasm]

I mean, with hestia aspect you need some big +%

[primal whale]

Yeah its definitely one of the worst choices lol

[west chasm]

One time i got 2 chaos attack boons with hestia

And was still forced to pick the Zeus attack boon

[tribal sapphire]

lmao

[primal whale]

If that kind of thing happens early enough, ill sometimes just restart the seed with a weapon that actually benefits

[west chasm]

It was both a pog and weirdchamp moment

Like, it isn't like hestia can't use zeus boons well

[tribal sapphire]

you just want that bullet to be a murder gun specifically

[west chasm]

But the best part was getting the multi missiles combo lol

[primal whale]

It kinda makes the aspect pointless

but the rail benefits from zeus so much that it probably doesn't really matter

[west chasm]

Pretty much

[primal whale]

Yeah the rail is my fave

Super versatile

[west chasm]

What other weapon lets you nuke stuff?

[novel wasp]

Oh no

[primal whale]

The rail special can get ridiculous pretty easily

[novel wasp]

my codex screen shows up

and it covers my whole screen

is this a new heat challenge

[primal whale]

Maybe hera aspect on bow with pumped up casts

[novel wasp]

i cant close it

[primal whale]

It is but it only gives half a heat

[tribal sapphire]

bwahah

[novel wasp]

its an annoying heat for sure

[primal whale]

and it rounds down

so good luck

[novel wasp]

damn it

it only gives me like 1/2 heat

so i cant use it to get the infernal portal

[primal whale]

nope it gives you 0 until they add other 1/2 heats

[novel wasp]

at least give me a heat man

[primal whale]

I've got this ❤️ but i think it might be a deformed heat

(hope someone gets it...)

[novel wasp]

damn it now they added the other half

the game froze

[primal whale]

Lol

[novel wasp]

this is chaos heat challenge

[primal whale]

Next time maybe just go for increased enemy hp or something

[novel wasp]

is this how heat 49 feels like?

[primal whale]

Yes

[novel wasp]

H

[primal whale]

except you can get past the first few rooms

[novel wasp]

heat 50

[primal whale]

maybe the first boss if you're lucky

[novel wasp]

it sends out all the glitches every room

[primal whale]

does hell mode go to 50?

[novel wasp]

49 is max

[primal whale]

||I was just wondering because hell mode adds an extra mandatory heat condition. Wasn't sure of it added to the potential total or not.||

[lusty stump]

||hell mode just ups the usual limit till bounties stop coming, which is 25||

[novel wasp]

Oh my god

Ares finally be good with doom stack and cluster nuke as rail

HAHAHAHA

[spring plaza]

How to get Hell Mode?

[knotty epoch]

You have to start your save with it

[novel wasp]

||beat hades ass once||

[spring plaza]

Oh boy, Hades is only a worry when he is cheesy and I have a bad run

So, I have to restart a save in Hell mode...

But we de facto, start the game in Hell...

[primal whale]

@lusty stump ||Are you sure? I have to double check but hell mode adds a point into a new heat Personal Liability||

[lusty stump]

||yeah I am sure. Many people mentioned it actually. The count goes up by a bit so the rewards equal and don't lock out from other stuff.||

[novel wasp]

also @west chasm try Explosive Shot + Twin shot, I guarantee you will love ZA NUKE x 2

[jade grove]

The slow charge though

[novel wasp]

Hermes will bless you even by 12% its viable

also note that the dmg just straight up increased unless you are facing bosses or elite enemy, spam clicking is actually viable for bows now lol

[primal whale]

@lusty stump ||Finally got a chance to test it, it does go to 50 heat on hell mode||

[novel wasp]

@primal whale ||there you made heat gauge cry, happy?||

[primal whale]

@novel wasp XD

That line made me smile

[novel wasp]

its actually from the game itself

if you increased the heat meter more than it required aka maximum

[primal whale]

@novel wasp ||I know but its the exact line it gave me when I just tested it. I'd be down to put in work to beat 50 heat if it wasn't timed :(||

[novel wasp]

||Me when I go 50 heats after unlocking heat and I knew I've messed up||

@primal whale ||i probably wont beat heat 50 because i love myself also i like messing around with stupid builds while not concerning the M E T A||

||for now I only play it for that titan blood farming lol||

[primal whale]

@novel wasp ||Has anyone beat it? It's heavily RNG based which is a huge bummer, on top of being insanely difficult||

[novel wasp]

@primal whale there is one here i know who did it

not sure if its 50 but sure is insanely high

i think it was more than 32

[primal whale]

||I know 40 has been done, but due to the scaling of difficulty on some of the heats, a 50 run is much much much harder than 40||

[novel wasp]

||Hm, if pick one heat and crank dat to maximum, which one is the hardest||

||personally think either is the timed, or the straight damage increase||

[primal whale]

@novel wasp ||No Choice makes the run complete RNG and budget cuts makes it so you are nearly completely unupgraded as far as darkness||

[novel wasp]

||or the Mom Can we get boons? Mom: We have boons at home Boons at home: YOU CAN ONLY PICK 1 FROM 1||

[primal whale]

@novel wasp ||but being timed is also up there because even if everything works out for you, you still have to go rambo and rush everything, which i really dislike||

[novel wasp]

@primal whale ||im beating the 5 mins rn lmfao||

||as long as im not using anything but the F O R K||

[knotty epoch]

why are these all spoilered

like none of them are spoilers

[novel wasp]

funny stuff i still fish during the timed

[primal whale]

Because ive been called out for noting details of the game that get unlocked

[novel wasp]

cuz no fear

[primal whale]

And everything we've talked about falls under that

[novel wasp]

then we go #h1-story-discussion

[knotty epoch]

that's a bit silly

[primal whale]

Yeah, in hindsight, we should have moved

[knotty epoch]

i get story spoilers and specific encounter mechanics spoilers, but knowing how the pact of punishment works shouldn't really affect enjoyment

[primal whale]

I guess I found what the final boss would be was pretty obvious but they dont want that being spoiled here

So idk what the criteria is for spoiler

[novel wasp]

the final boss is ||gordon ramsay||

[primal whale]

@novel wasp ||*Gorgon Ramsay||

[novel wasp]

@primal whale Aspect of Dusa, its a kitchen knife

[knotty epoch]

The first time I got to the final area I actually thought ||the final boss was going to be Cerberus||

[novel wasp]

@knotty epoch ||it technically still is cause i like i can just make bark noises when i poke him||

[primal whale]

@knotty epoch ||I would have rioted if I had to fight my sweet boy||

[novel wasp]

@primal whale also he throws ||LAMB SAUCE|| instead of ||the skulls||

[knotty epoch]

also if you're not sure but want to speak about mechanics like that, i don't think people would fault you for having that discussion in the gameplay channel

[primal whale]

I guess its okay to post these faux spoilers since almost everyone is asleep or away

Well sometimes no one is there to talk to 😦

[dapper flume]

Wait does ||Hell Mode|| remove all previous progress?

[coral axle]

technically yes

you start a new save file

[dapper flume]

I never tried it and was just farming each weapons heat rating.

[coral axle]

but your old save file is still there

if that's what your'e asking

[dapper flume]

You don't keep weapon unlocks or conversation rewards?

[knotty epoch]

Well you start a new save, so no

[dapper flume]

Ah hm.. Then would only be worth it if I maxxed everything else I guess. Or maybe just start it after first completion so you never lose anything.

[brisk trail]

I am not sure where I can't post this but I can't leave feedback in hades-feedback channel. Is there a way to resolve this? I have bought the game on the Epic store and I have been able to post feedback before but for some reasons in recent time I am not allowed to post messages there.

[jade grove]

Pins in feedback.

[alpine sparrow]

hello

I wanted to ask if anyone has recently had the same glitch where music and or sounds just turn themselves off in game ?

[mighty orbit]

Does it start and then cut off at the end of the sound?

[alpine sparrow]

No, for example when characters talk after zagreus they get muted and have to go to settings to move the slider to UN mute them and same with sound effects

Obviously the weird thing about it is that the sliders for the volume are always at full so im not sure why it is doing this

[loud spire]

does anyone remember about when we started getting the last update's teasers? I'm looking forward to hearing about the next one

[grand crystal]

the winter update was teased a week in advance

[vocal thorn]

If it's a vaguely scythe shaped silhouette, then people will go full bonkers

[grand crystal]

what else is there really to add for the game

it seems so done right now

besides the ending

and I wonder how the game will work when you ||beat hades and leave||

[karmic oasis]

I will continue to campaign for billows. Even though its programmed

and ready to go, whatever the weapon is

[grand crystal]

i want a scythe

[loud spire]

I hope there's one more level/gameplay area after the final boss

[grand crystal]

there needs to be

[flat vapor]

what needs to be added is the nyx/chaos storyline we've been waiting for 😢

[karmic oasis]

but maybe, just maybe, I can change their minds, cost them thousands of hours of workhours, and theyll make the flamehthower I want in this damn game

[loud spire]

As for the weapon, I think it's logical to assume it will be ranged, given that the weapons are divided into 2 separate areas in the testing room with melee and ranged separated

[grand crystal]

after ||hades|| you probably might wander olympus or just the normal world

[loud spire]

the new weapon is just the BFG from Doom 2

[grand crystal]

but @loud spire scythe with than aspect and demeter aspect

that would be great

[loud spire]

I'd be thrilled with that tbh

maybe it's a scythe that behaves like a boomerang so it's ranged and melee

[karmic oasis]

Flamethrower with Haphaestus aspect

demeter aspect to make it off the wall

[loud spire]

flamethrower 😄

[karmic oasis]

seriously

[grand crystal]

i was going to say it needs to have some form of greek significance but we have a literal gun

[karmic oasis]

greek fire!

how can they not?!

[grand crystal]

fire is very vauge in terms of everything

[karmic oasis]

nothing will convince me otherwise. This game needs a short range ranged weapon

[grand crystal]

sword exists

[karmic oasis]

that burninates the underwold

sword != ranged

[grand crystal]

you said short ranged

[karmic oasis]

short range ranged weapon were my exact words

[grand crystal]

ok

my bad

[brisk trail]

Has anyone had the glitch where you burn alive while fishing ?

[grand crystal]

no

[karmic oasis]

no, but... now i want to

[grand crystal]

are you stnding in the lava or something

[brisk trail]

yeah it ran to it

[karmic oasis]

oh... dont stand in lava, thats bad

[brisk trail]

no kidding death defiance down the drain. Saved the run though 🙂

[karmic oasis]

but back to our other burning discussion: flamethrower

thematic: check

Different than existing weapons: check

[brisk trail]

would it be the gun aspect or straight up weapon ?

[karmic oasis]

running out of ideas for more things to check: check

next weapon, for sure

[brisk trail]

ok ok. Would it have fuel or a cd period?

[karmic oasis]

everyone is saying scythe, and I hope my wit and verbiage changes whatever it is going to be... regardless of how set in stone it is

unclear!

probably cd

the shorter hte burst the more efficient

along the lines of bastion

(bellows)

[brisk trail]

And have tick damage like poison

[karmic oasis]

the attack is kinda easy in my head, but the special is where the design element would be most interesting

[jade grove]

No one up for a magic staff that lets you fire while floating around?

So you could move constantly?

[karmic oasis]

like... and not take damage?

[jade grove]

Didn't they say at some point that they considered having Zag float while using the gun

[light frigate]

I wouldn't be surprised if it were nunchucks or sumething

[vocal thorn]

I'd like a dagger attack with greek fire special, that throws a powerful burning circle on the ground for X seconds, that can also damage Zag. So there would be some sort of balance there, because even thought the fire is powerful, you couldn't just dash into the fire to hit monsters with the small dagger.

[jade grove]

that'd kinda suck to have self damage baked in ngl

[grand crystal]

I feel like that we need a more "heavy" weapon tho and a scythe would be perfect or a more small weapon

like a cestus or something

[karmic oasis]

sorry, all other suggestions other than flamethrower are irrelevant.

[jade grove]

no u

[karmic oasis]

no... um... u

[vocal thorn]

It might be like the hazard self damage, where it's greatly reduced

[brisk trail]

I think the idea of having self damage could be frustrating, but if there is a lot of dps it might be worth it

[karmic oasis]

i have fear of self damage from the time I used eris and thought hazard bomb's warning was a joke

its... its not a joke

[jade grove]

selfkilling on the riskiest range possible (literally shorter than a sword) would be a highly undesirable design choice

just saying

fine for a hammer, but built in suicide on a weapon that would ALREADY by design kind of kill you?

tfw I'm not sure why everyone wants more short range weapons tho

[grand crystal]

just wait until its just another gun

[vocal thorn]

I think I just want a ranged weapon that's a bit more in depth than randomly dashing around while hitting the attack button

[karmic oasis]

ok, I am willing to forgo my flamethrower if its the flying guillotine

[jade grove]

as a lifelong mage, I don't see the appeal

magic staff or riot

[karmic oasis]

magic flying guillotine staff?

[jade grove]

its niche would be being the only weapon that can use every attack while moving

[grand crystal]

why guillotine

[karmic oasis]

FLYING guillotine

[grand crystal]

but why

isnt the guillotine french or something

[karmic oasis]

i mean... have you not seen Master of the Flying Guillotine?

[jade grove]

real oddjob hours

[brisk trail]

yeah it is French

[karmic oasis]

oh for this, theme is not important, the idea of itself is enough

[jade grove]

a flying guillotine is a different thing from a guillotine, btw

that said

[vocal thorn]

The Heroic Trio movie had some dude with a guillotine cage on the end of a chain, and he'd throw the cage onto someone's head, and guillotine their head off lol

[jade grove]

it'd be a bit pointless. most things either don't have heads, are already disembodied, or don't mind being beheaded.

[karmic oasis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_the_Flying_Guillotine

[grand crystal]

ok then

[karmic oasis]

thennnnn.. supergiant, add heads to everything

[jade grove]

ah yes

add more skulls to the skulls

[karmic oasis]

yes

[jade grove]

gorgons with gorgon heads on the snakes

[karmic oasis]

numbskulls are OP, add another head to fix this

[vocal thorn]

ohhh, that flying guillotine is super close to the Heroic Trio movie thing. I wonder if it's the same concept

[karmic oasis]

seriously, flying guillotine, attack is really really really hard to land, but its instakill

as long as the enemy has a head

[grand crystal]

the only things that dont have heads are the crystals

[karmic oasis]

and everytime zag does, he should say "HEADSHOT"

[grand crystal]

and the chariots

[karmic oasis]

well technically... the heads need to be attached to something to be beheaded

[grand crystal]

elysium would be a pain

[karmic oasis]

so... we need to patch that in

[jade grove]

four headed cerberus

[karmic oasis]

oh no, thats not cool Felis

[jade grove]

4Head

[karmic oasis]

we dont kill the good boy

whats wrong with you?

[grand crystal]

we pet him for a reason

if you forsake him

then there is a punishment

[karmic oasis]

seriously, akai and i might be mortal enemies of the whatever everyone else wants for a 6th weapon versus flamethrower debate, but in this we are the closest of allies

[jade grove]

who said anything about killing cerb?

just saying

EVERYONE gets another head

so Tisi can say MMMMURDERER in stereo

[karmic oasis]

the implication is there felis

[jade grove]

Zagreus with two heads.

:^)

[karmic oasis]

no backing off your dogicidal tendencies now

[jade grove]

no u

[karmic oasis]

damnit again with the no u

ok so back to flamethrower, great weapon? or greatest?

[grand crystal]

eh

[scarlet jolt]

Ugh another close miss with hades on his second form

[grand crystal]

id rather see zag show off his scythe to than or suplex hades or something

[karmic oasis]

I will flood this server with horrible trope jokes until supergiant changes everything theyve already done

[scarlet jolt]

He bloody hurts

[grand crystal]

what was your build @scarlet jolt

[jade grove]

that's for #h1-story-discussion

[scarlet jolt]

Boom spear hammer with a bunch of poms chilling effect, 3 dashs, and a ice turret

And like 225 health

[novel wasp]

microwave

BZZZZZZZ

[grand crystal]

hmmm most of my good runs are like hera bow with artemis cast and like 3 sec cast drop with exit wounds

[scarlet jolt]

I had such a fun kite build but those stupid lazers went through the wall to half my hp bar

[grand crystal]

guan yu spear with athena attack

[scarlet jolt]

I only got the zag spear maxed

Need to beat him the first time so I can farm titan blood

[karmic oasis]

this is more for #h1-builds-and-combat but, hug final boss and the lasers wont burn

[scarlet jolt]

I'll try that, fatherly love will protect me

[karmic oasis]

hug final boss*

just like in real life

[scarlet jolt]

I heard that only sometimes worked but honestly I'm getting beat to a pulp anyway by it

Bought a second death defy off that so hopefully I can do betterb

[karmic oasis]

well you have to start close on FB windup

[scarlet jolt]

Alright so its just a timing thing

[karmic oasis]

I mean theoretically you could dash to him after he starts but I have a tough time doing that. The windup is very obvious

[vocal thorn]

If you have the broken spearpoint, and it's off cooldown, then you have a much larger margin of error to dash to him

It's sort of the main reason, above everything else, that I'm usually using the spearpoint on the last biome

[scarlet jolt]

Have to get that to lvl 3 then

[waxen maple]

yo guys. Epic store doesnt have cloud right?

seems no progress is saved from my other pc to this one

or the game doesnt support it at all?

[unique river]

the game doesn't support it afaik

[waxen maple]

lel!

probably cause its on earl access?

[unique river]

Some of the games I have on epic definitely have cloud saves

[weak canyon]

oh hey i don't have to go that far to pax this year

it's in my home town

[waxen maple]

what if you transfer save files from one device to the other? I guess thatll work

?

[unique river]

Yup, should work flawlessly

[waxen maple]

Nice thall do then! Thanks for this 🙂

[unique river]

npnp

[potent silo]

guys

I passed the first boss, do I still need to pass through it every time I die?

[tawny patio]

Yes. It fits the game's genre "rogue-lite"

[potent silo]

basically there is no saving at all?

[tawny patio]

Yes. Aka perma-death

[potent silo]

oof

[opal mason]

So, I remember seeing something on the discord here a bit back, but I forgot to save it and now I can't find it. It was a link to a set of visual diagrams of what boons unlocked and led to what sequential boons, if that makes sense. Is it possible someone could help me out?

[willow mural]

oh I would love one of those

[tawny patio]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/505164873328754688/681170408388689948

Or just check out the wiki. The wiki uses these boon progression graph as well

[misty viper]

this game builds quite well around the roguelite mechanics

[stable forge]

why feedback says i dont have permission to send messages?

[plush dagger]

check pinned messages in #hades-feedback

[stable forge]

thanks

[agile saddle]

Why does Ares have 2 separate boon progressions unlike other gods?

[vocal thorn]

I didn't think that was unique? Dio has a progression for festive fog, and one for hangover

[lusty stump]

Artemis kind of has the same thing, but crit or cast stuff

[vocal thorn]

I think everyone has progression involving their status

[agile saddle]

But like you can't get his legendary if you pick certain stuff as three of his boons go one way and three go towards a non-legendary

[vocal thorn]

The flowchart might be confusing. Nothing locks you out of the legendary

[agile saddle]

Like his attacking skill curse of agony doesn't build towards his legendary.

[vocal thorn]

Pretend you can go backwards through any arrow you've gone forwards through

[agile saddle]

not saying it locks you out of his legendary but most people's basic attacking skill their cast or their dash builds towards their legendary innately whereas his does not

[vocal thorn]

There are other legendaries based off of casts specifically

I think the casts that don't get stuck in enemies all have some extra thing

Ares/Dio/Demeter

have either a legendary or duo, where you specifically need their cast

and apparently Poseidon has a duo that requires his cast specifically

and Athena cast has a duo that requires her cast specifically

[agile saddle]

Poseidon's duo cast is with Demeter just like Dionysus

[vocal thorn]

yes, but it's still a thing that specifically requires a cast instead of other things

[jade grove]

Duos requiring cast is more often a thing, legendary is mostly...

Ares and Dio

None of the others require it

The prog tree for Athena is the crazy one though

I mean, deflect damage?

What even?

[vocal thorn]

I like the deflect damage one

[agile saddle]

what I'm saying is most people if not everyone else if you pick up their attacking boon it moves you one step towards their legendary whereas Ares if you pick his attacking boon you are one behind towards his legendary as it's not one of the prerequisites except obviously Hermes or chaos

[jade grove]

I like it sometimes. But as a prereq?

Very weird

[vocal thorn]

If I'm not specifically trying for Ares' legendary, then I don't want to get flooded with blade-rift related boons, just because I picked his attack or special

[jade grove]

4head solution: 2 legendaries

Replace the doom stacking one

It's bad anyway

[vocal thorn]

bad..........

[jade grove]

Yeah? Because it only adds like 10 per hit at epic

[vocal thorn]

I thought the idea is when people are spamming their super blade rifts, it adds up?

[jade grove]

Impending is % and way higher. Stacking one only works if you somehow have like...

Doom on Chiron special and got memed

What?

No, the Dire Misfortune boon.

Repeat hits add like 5 or 10 damage to one doom proc

Super blade rifts don't interact at all

[vocal thorn]

ohh

[jade grove]

I meant replace one trash boon with a doom legendary

And replace some other crappy boon from Dio

Like the one where you get damage reduction only while standing in fog

[vocal thorn]

I think it's supposed to make people feel less bad, if they get doom stuck on an Eris rail attack

[jade grove]

It's bad at its job

Legendary rate and being better would be preferable

Currently it's kind of a meme.

[vocal thorn]

The game is never going to let me actually have a decent blade rift or festive fog build anyway, so it's all just wasted boon space for me

[jade grove]

Tip for those

Never start with the cast one

Worst case you still have usable attacks if you take Artemis before Ares

Or take the hangover before fog

[vocal thorn]

It's gotten to the point where the majority of the time, I only pick god keepsakes, where the boons have the status ailment baked in, because the game tries so hard to rip apart any non-chaos synergy I ever get

[agile saddle]

Fog is really good on Hera bow cause it's base damage is so high

[vocal thorn]

It's also the reason I go for chaos room so much. The purging pool can't rip those boons away from me. They are the only reliable synergy I can get

[jade grove]

Ugh, the Customs heat

I hate that one

[vocal thorn]

So all my weapon aspects better like Aphro, Dio, or Demeter, because that's all they get for god keepsakes

[agile saddle]

I always use customs as it's free heat

[vocal thorn]

Ares only has his status ailment on attack or special, so it's not very reliable as a god keepsake choice, for trying to get status ailments

[agile saddle]

I have never once used a god keepsake

[vocal thorn]

Pierced butterfly is cool for heats 20 or lower, but above that, I need to start guaranteeing a decent selection of boons

[jade grove]

I don't find it "free heat" when half the time I don't get enough boons.

RNG loves giving me darkness vs gemstone

[agile saddle]

Well sometimes it seems like boon have such a low rate in tartarus beyond that though you can start stacking pretty fast

[brisk trail]

What's the best record you guys have done to beat the game?

14:57 with the rail.

How did you do this man

Zeus and Eris.

I'm still beating it only under 30mins lmao

True Shot and Aspect of Poseidon is much faster.

The rail is such a fun weapon tho

[misty viper]

I Don't really like the rail, it just feels annoying to use imo

[brisk trail]

What do you use then ?

[misty viper]

Everything else lul, Idk why I can't get used to the rail

[brisk trail]

Can you give me tips about the spear then ? I'm so bad with it lol

[misty viper]

I usually go aspect 2 w/ spear

That dmg buff after teleporting to it is really nice

[brisk trail]

I just got it today, but everytime I'm starting a run with the spear I feel like I do no damage

[agile saddle]

Guan yu spear is busted

But only at maxed level

The thing with spear is it's damage isn't as high as sword because it's not full melee or as high as the bow because it's not full range.

But spear has some really good hammer upgrades

[brisk trail]

I'll probably spam it for a time until I know how to play it then

[last sand]

hey, is there any place where I can get official art from the game at full res? To use as wallpaper and stuff

[thorny thorn]

Sorry just quickly joined in to say I request a refund on my 1 extra life as I was laughing my ass off too hard at the 'extra hard' version of the Theseus and Asterius

friggin Theseus man

[winged haven]

@last sand i saw a couple high res pics of specific characters on supergiants twitter, if that helps

im looking now and realizing supergiants twitter is flooded with fanart retweets so ill find it, one sec

https://twitter.com/supergiantgames/status/1105554468601393153?lang=en

Supergiant Games (@SupergiantGames)

Here, have some new #HADES wallpapers!

✅ Thanatos, Death Incarnate
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these 3, at the very least lol

[calm laurel]

One Winged Furies

[ocean kayak]

in my mind i am using a Blade Rift that does only 2 or 3 damage per hit
but which adds the hits taken off enemies directly to Zag's HP.

[winged haven]

that would like, an instawin lol

theres already blade rift mods that pull enemies into it, and artemis can give u 2 blade rift shots

[last sand]

yeah, saw those in the "images pack" on their official page, still, thank you!

[west chasm]

You think the concert will get uploaded somewhere?

I can't attend pax but i personally want to hear Good Riddance live

[winged haven]

it should be on pax's twitch, no?

or one of their channels, they have like 3

[marsh jackal]

can someone explain why they don't like hermes?

[novel wasp]

has some questionable boon

[cold wraith]

his upgrades mostly just don't really do that much

[novel wasp]

such as losing control after dash

but again i cant complain about increased attack speed for weapons like bow

[cold wraith]

dodge chance and more dashes are nice

[novel wasp]

yeah and thats about it

all his other boons are a big hm

[cold wraith]

there's nothing really exciting he has

like it's just "hey here's some kinda useful stats" at best, rather than explosions and the like that other gods can provide

he's got the most interesting god trinket at least

[novel wasp]

i mean he is a god of support

[cold wraith]

i mean he's god of swiftness, aphrodite fills a similar support role but she at least has slightly more interesting perks

[merry harbor]

I like some of Hermes stuff, but the others feel very lack luster even when trying to go fast.

The ones that augment attack, special speed, dash count ups, and the bloodstones? Fantastic. Outside of that, Quick Recovery is situational as some healing during Lasting Consequences, and the movespeed after dash is somtimes more a hindereance than a help.

The Dodge stuff is RNG mitigation which is nice but not something I like relying on.

[cold wraith]

i think if hermes boons weren't given in the same manner as other gods it'd help a little to make them feel different at least, like maybe you just get a hermes challenge to complete a room quickly or something

[vagrant crag]

and don't forget, you only ever get the -opposite- attack buff from Hermes that you wanted

[merry harbor]

I still pick Hermes rooms over other stuff generally because I love the ones that I love, but it can feel like a letdown some boons, even more than other gods because you get like, 2 shots at him, MAYBE 3 if you're rich.

[vagrant crag]

Anyway; yeah, if you want an easy "gotta go fast" run that's not reliant on Artemis giving you her cast, Aphrodite's cast with Poseidon Aspect Sword @brisk trail
(truth be told, Caster is just rediculously good; albiet it takes some getting used to)

[cold wraith]

might be handy if one of his boons was a cost reduction from charon for the run

[winged haven]

aphrodite cast + poseidon sword + demeter aoe explosion on cast is really funny

everytime i ran it i also happened to get the hermes boost to cast speed and u just become this machine gun, its hilarious

[novel wasp]

Aphrodite SHOTGUN

its the SHOTGUN OF LOVE

[winged haven]

if i could only get artemis' +3 cast boon, then u could actually fire full speed forever

[novel wasp]

6 12 gauge of love

into hades

[winged haven]

oh it melts

[novel wasp]

god of big....boons

with hera bow is like attaching a shotgun onto a sniper rifle and when you fire the sniper rifle the shotguns are fired as well

[winged haven]

is that not the true endgame fantasy of hades

[novel wasp]

Give me a shotgun SGG

[winged haven]

building the biggest fanciest way to cast down in 1 hit

[novel wasp]

then we can have DOOM ETERNAL

[spring plaza]

Greetings every souls

Anyone here can post into hades-feedback?

[novel jacinth]

Yep

[spring plaza]

Or anyone has problem with the visual hierarchy / visual noise in the game?

[novel jacinth]

?

[spring plaza]

I just would like to know if it is an issue for other players as well or if it is just me.

[novel jacinth]

Oh

I think I've seen a couple issues a while a go but I think they got changed haven't looked in feedback recently I mean If you have a problem it's prolly a good idea to post it

[merry harbor]

It has been something a lot of people've brought up, yeah.

If you wanted an idea of what Feedback is for, you can check the pinned messages in that channel!

It should give you an idea of how to format your feedback and what they're looking to hear.

[spring plaza]

I can't post on feedback it seems, hence I though it was only for backers or selecte players. I find in some encounters the layout of the rooms

[merry harbor]

Okay, so that's because you're missing the role.

If you go down to Bot Commands and assign yourself the appropriate roles, you should be able to post.

[spring plaza]

a bit tough on the visual clarity. May it be because of the foreground (looks nice but prevent a clear vision of what is going on) or the effects of some enemies or bosses (special dark fog...with the Furies)

Hmmmm but since you said it was brought up already to the attention of the developers, I might just sound like nagging. wouldn't I?

[vocal thorn]

Fury fog, stacked festive fogs, and the poison healing pools, are all super difficult for me visually

[merry harbor]

Squeaky wheel gets the grease and stuff. It's been talked about in the gameplay and discussion channels, but it's been a while since a feedback vote on the subject.

[spring plaza]

Where is Bot command?

[vocal thorn]

Pinned messages

[spring plaza]

Merci beaucoup 🙂

[agile saddle]

Anyone else have the last boss skull spam? They threw 7 in a row last fight

[vocal thorn]

It be like that sometimes

One of his moves is a double skull throw followed by a spear thrust, so that can help rack of the skull count too

[agile saddle]

There should be a limit

[spring plaza]

Hades can be so cheesy...I hate when he does his spinning spear from one side of eth screen to another...and of course, you can escape

I meant: you CAN'T escape

[whole ocean]

Finally managed to crack 19 heat with Chiron. Been stuck on it for awhile just not getting builds that work out or screwing up right at the end.

[agile saddle]

@spring plaza last boss is spoilers

[spring plaza]

@agile saddle Oh no. I apologise. I didn't think about the fact some players on Discord might not have been so far yet

[hallow cargo]

we do have a specific #h1-story-discussion chat for that exact reason @spring plaza

[spring plaza]

@hallow cargo I apologise again. I really though everybody here did finish the game already

[hallow cargo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'm not mad, it didn't spoil anything for me

[sick hazel]

hey lets guess what the final weapon is. i guess a sikle cus it was the weapon the titan king used and the one hades, zeus and posidon cut ther father into 1000 bits whit.

[hallow cargo]

sickle

and that has too much overlap with a sword

so i find it rather unlikely

[misty viper]

I think it'll be some sorta cast based weapon, like a staff maybe?

[brisk trail]

It would be cool if it was a staff, like a staff with the aspect of poseidon or things like that

[hallow cargo]

we already have the aspect of poseidon

[crimson void]

I want something heavier, like a club or an axe.

[trim surge]

a frying pan

[royal sleet]

hey, i would love if there was setting that would shift your direction 45° anticlock-wise. I play on keyboard and mouse and sometimes its kinda pain to try to walk right direction because of the isomorphic view.
So for example i wouldnt have to press A+W but only W, not S+D but S.
Anyone else who would appreciate this?

[oak wind]

thus far i've imagined the last weapon either as something focused on legit spell casting, a monk type weapon with martial arts moves or something like whip or flail

[iron fog]

Oh knuckle dusters would be neat

[jade grove]

@brisk trail Staff with the Aspect of Aesculapius. Get kills to charge up a self heal?

[brisk trail]

That's a good idea yeah

[jade grove]

A magic weapon would fulfill the single gameplay style that has always been impossible in Hades: Moving while attacking, as magic could easily justify floating and firing attacks at range.

This apparently was a concept the devs toyed with while making the Rail, having Zagreus float. But it doesn't make sense on the rail as much.

On a staff though? Give me my floating bullet hell weapon

Hold special to charge up a burst of magic bolts, attack has seeking inside of a roughly 30-45 degree angle in front of Zagreus

Hammers can make it spread fire like the Splitter witches...

[brisk trail]

We have a sword, a spear, a shield, a bow and a rail, I doubt they would want to make another range weapon like the bow or the rail, because it would be too similar, same for the melee weapons we already have 3 all unique, it would make so much sense if it was a magic weapon, at least that or a magic scythe a bit like Than

[jade grove]

Just saying it would be cooler than the eternal winter

[thorny thorn]

there's Kronus' Scythe in greek mythology

maybe its primary attack would be 'charging up' damage on a target while you're moving until it's enough to kill, if you don't kill, it doesn't do damage, or something like that, dunno how that'd work against big bosses though, probably against them it does damage even if it doesn't kill

[oak wind]

ohh also

similarly to gungeon, the staff would have that floating thing, maybe exclusive to an aspect but

while your movement is stupid good and you don't have to deal with traps and can sometimes safe zone stuff through the bottomless pits, you can't dash

[jade grove]

no dash would be non-viable

reduced dash velocity perhaps

but the iframes are literally essential to the game

I'd adjust mobility around it if I were designing, sure, but not remove a core mechanic

[cold wraith]

yeah no dash would be awful

a lot of the attacks in gungeon are safer to dodge without rolling but also the jetpack can be shut off

[dapper flume]

So 12 more days and we get a new weapon? 😄

Or is it weapon+ more end game?

[karmic oasis]

Oh boy here we go again: Time for my patented, every new weapon idea is awesome as long as its a bellows tirades

Every weapon idea is awesome! As long as its a bellows.

[cold wraith]

what if it’s a bellows staff

[karmic oasis]

tight range ranged weapon that continuously fires, while capable of moving. Special can be all sorts of stuff. Thematic, both in Greek history AND in supergiant games ourve. Nothing else like it.

[cold wraith]

like the one from kid icarus

[karmic oasis]

Like I said to @jade grove yesterday, you had my curiosity...

I dont care what form a flamethrower takes, as long as we get something that allows you to burninate the underworldside

[cold wraith]

i feel like that wouldn’t be too effective in asphodel

[karmic oasis]

Do you know what happens when you push almost any enemy into the fire and lava?

violence happens

why bother with pushing?

[cold wraith]

fair

[karmic oasis]

Burn them to unholy hell on command!

[cold wraith]

could always just make it spooky green fire so it makes sense on burning skulls and the like

[karmic oasis]

I guess, I think a straight up red fire works. Different aspects could have different colors

But zags should match zag!

then you can have an aspect of hephaestus. Aspect of Apollo? Idk

[cold wraith]

aspect of dusa that can petrify

[karmic oasis]

I keep wanting to say all the aspects are god-themed, but then we have guan yu, who as I understand was more on the level of achilles than a god.

but im telling you, a short range ranged weapon would be tight

it was a lot of fun in Bastion, and so far every weapon in Hades is very Supergiant-y

[thorny thorn]

erm, I just summoned Dusa in a fight against Meg, and she started attacking me? :D

[karmic oasis]

Probably giving too much attention to Meg...

[thorny thorn]

I see it's sisters before misters

that's fine that's fine

[alpine stratus]

i summoned her vs meg once and she was like THATS SO MEAN ;O; and i felt soooo bad

[jade grove]

tbh, a fire staff would be just as fun

[iron fog]

What if, a musical instrument style of weapon

My brain went to hunting horn from monster hunter, but i just want zag to be a bard (or greek god equivalent) for one run i guess

[tiny crag]

Well, I guess Zag playing his harp could actually hurt someone...

[alpine mural]

quick question if anyone knows

does + attack from chaos affect dash strikes?

[iron fog]

When you're so bad at playing instruments you weaponise it

And i think it does, since boons affecting attacks also apply them to dash-strikes

[alpine mural]

ok cool

[iron fog]

But chaos might be diff since its

Chaos

[thorny thorn]

shotgun rail + explosive shot + all relevant artemis boons + 2 dashstrike and 1 attack boons from Chaos and mister Hades just went home as a pile of minced meat

[iron fog]

My smoothest run of hades is still the posiedon pinball build. Ive been trying to replicate it but rng is a harsh, harsh mistress...

[marsh jackal]

My favorite runs of hades are always a strong cast build, though those are hard to do without good rng

The casts typically do little damage unless they meet specific requirements your demeter cast fully lands/duo boons, if you get ares cast with the homing duo boon (ares & artemis) or you get artemis cast that crits, poseideon cast only if paired with the right poseidon boons

also picking up artemis legendary/exit wound can break or make a cast build at times

[thorny thorn]

beating Hades with a full Dio build is fun, not cause it's so amazing but cause I like the idea that Hades couldn't defeat his son cause he showed up to the fight utterly wasted

[opal bay]

Game crash in Elysium pepehands

[cold wraith]

the game frequently autosaves

[opal bay]

entire run was lost 😦

[cold wraith]

huh dang, my crashes tend to recover fine

[opal bay]

I head dived into a cluster of those purple balls, probably took them all to the face at once

[bold fractal]

just got two hammers with the adamant rail and got 5 rockets then multiple special damage increases

v fun

[marsh jackal]

Yeah when my pc crashed it completely reset the run

[marsh jackal]

Do you feel like there’s way less boons showing up then before?

[thorny thorn]

not for me, I always end up with like wayy to many

[karmic oasis]

man i see everone elses builds and wonder how there can be that many. I am lucky if I fill two columnds

[marsh jackal]

Like I remember several updates before I’d usually get out of tartarus with 3 or more boons and now I typically get out of tartarus with two if I’m lucky

[jade grove]

RNG

But it is cruel at times

[iron fog]

rng will either not give you what boon you want... or all three slots will have a boon you need for your build and force you to pick, and never show the other two ever again

[marsh jackal]

Then my rng has given me boon desert

[brisk trail]

It comes and goes.

[thorny thorn]

I've owned the game for 8 days, I need an intervention (barely any of this time was spent idling) https://imgur.com/a/zZqd57O

[brisk trail]

No. Keep playing.

[thorny thorn]

Oh boy here I go killing again.

[marsh jackal]

I love how you said you’ve only been playing for 8 days and you have a dusa icon

Welcome to Hades

[brisk trail]

Hey, I joined Discord last year for Hades.

[jade grove]

Perfect timing

[remote lily]

I got the game exactly 370 days ago

[unique crescent]

oh

bad words not allowed i see

[noble rose]

why does the "Damage" hit in the game feel so low? No matter how hard i strengthen my character, i cannot damage the enemy enough. I have done 6x damage multiplier mod, the game has become more fun.

[cold wraith]

🤔 with a decent set of boons enemies get whittled down fast enough unless they're bosses

[thorny thorn]

Try one run where you dont amp your main damage dealing attack in any way (be it special, attack or cast) and see how hard it is without any damage adding boons

Exagryph with chaos dash strike, Artemis dash strike and some attack boons with shotgun modifier deletes absolutely everything in the blink of an eye

but whoo needs dmg when you have exa shotgun + aphro charm, permastun everything :D

permacharm*

[trail void]

I'm doing a 15 heat No Choice Pierced Butterfly run and I am not having a good time XD

[vernal island]

Hey guys, new to the game Quick question, is it possible to get a higher rarrity of the boon you choose from the same god? Like if i get a common curse of agony (doom) for normal attack. Is it possible for me to get a rare/epic curse of agony for normal attack?

[cold wraith]

you won't get offered a higher rarity of it in the same run but there's some ways to upgrade the rarity of boons

not common ways, but some

might be able to sell it to get a higher rarity one offered, i guess

[vernal island]

I see

In the same run, as in the entire run or a single floor run?

Also, i assume, let's say i obtain a boon for my attack. If i want other boon for my attack i have to sell the boon I currently equip for my attack right?

[cold wraith]

other gods can still offer attack boons

[flat vapor]

yep, unless they offer an exchange

[cold wraith]

it's just that the same god won't offer it up again

[flat vapor]

an exchange boon will have a higher rarity level than the boon you're exchanging it with

[vernal island]

I only saw exchange may be like twice but all of that are not for special, attack and cast

so wasn't sure what is the mechanic

[flat vapor]

exchange and eurydice are the two main ways to upgrade rarities in the game

[vernal island]

Okay thanks for the clarification :X

[cold wraith]

demeter's got a perk that can do it too

have any of y'all ever died to a god in the rooms where they get annoyed at you, and if so does hypnos say anything

[thorny thorn]

5 attempts later going for the legendary Athena boon to complete my prophecy and she just, won't :D

And yes I'm going the correct combination of abilities T_T

[proud orbit]

Make sure you keep the keepsake on and buy yarns of ariande since they both improve your chances

[thorny thorn]

Ye I always buy yarns anyway pretty much

but I haven't kept the keepsake guess I should do that (I would only start with it and swap it out later)

[proud orbit]

Ye gives you bonus chance to get it

[brisk trail]

How do I get the Billowing Strength Zeus boon?

[cold wraith]

oh hey i just got that, only other zeus boons i have are duos or his call though

[narrow inlet]

aggggggggh. Darren Korb and Ashley Barrett, along with Austin Wintory?! Why did I decide not to go to PAX D: hopefully that concert is streamed too

[cold wraith]

i have double-strength poms, do i take a pom or hermes on the styx shop

i took hermes, it was a bad idea

won anyway though

[proud orbit]

@brisk trail you just need any call then it should be offered

[brisk trail]

ty

[silent pumice]

What, Austin Wintory?!

[narrow inlet]

@silent pumice I know!! See the announcements channel!

[vocal thorn]

The default damage in this game is really low, because many of the damage modifiers are super high, and can be stacked really high. This means you can have really powerful builds, but it also means that if the RNG is bad, the game slows to a crawl with the dps

[thorny thorn]

I kid you not, I took Aphrodite's keepsake and kept it for the whole run to get ONE tier 2 boon (for prophecy), she showed up at the start, as she should have, and then avoided me for the ENTIRE RUN :D

[opaque nexus]

I haven't played this game in a while and I just realized new update in 13 days

[dapper flume]

Shotgun modifier on the exagrphy was game changing

I actually enjoy the weapon after that lol. Otherwise it was just rocket launcher.

[novel wasp]

rocket launcher is the B E S T

[warm dove]

guys any idea of the new weapon? maybe its a Great Axe lul

[desert nebula]

Maybe a Shuriken?

[dark cradle]

Cadaceus, maybe, the staff.

Hephaestus's Labrys or Hammer is also possible.

[jade grove]

yeah, although Hermes is literally using it right now

[dark cradle]

I think more likely the latter since then the fourth aspect could be Thor?

[jade grove]

Oh wait

it's not unique

Iris uses the caduceus

Wait

Aspect of Iris, not Hermes

ROYAL RAINBOW

rod of asclepius tho

healing staff

[dark cradle]

That'd be cool, I'd definitely love to see an Egyptian God represented.

[jade grove]

Hm?

No, Iris is the Greek goddess of the rainbow

I do wish they'd gone with Khopesh for sword tho

But they talked about Excalibur at some point

[dark cradle]

Yes I know.

[jade grove]

inb4 its passive is health gating

:^)

[dark cradle]

The Egyptian Goddess is Isis not Iris.

[jade grove]

can't die if you're not attacking, because the scabbard of Excalibur is the true magical artifact.

big brain strats

[dark cradle]

It's hard to guess really. What sort of play style do you feel like is unrepresented rn that any of our guesses would fulfill.

[jade grove]

imo staff because moving while attacking is completely unrepresented.

Magic is the best way to rationalize Zagreus floating while attacking

like they were considering doing for the gun, but I guess it wasn't thematic

I will say, if they do staff, there are two choices for an Egyptian aspect: Bow and Staff

Was-scepter and something thematic for that, or a shortbow

bows being the most prominent weapon in ancient Egypt, I'm sure they could come up with something fun

I still want magic with Iris/Asclepius or Hecate though

[dark cradle]

Hmmm.

Moving while attacking.

[jade grove]

Hecate aspect: It becomes a torch

[dark cradle]

Does Apollo's chariot have a name.

Does a chariot count as a weapon even

I mean they've merc'd me enough now that it feels like they do

[jade grove]

Don't believe so

no name

If the weapon were to be Bellows for a Bastion throwback...

[dark cradle]

Fire Bellows

[jade grove]

I'd say it would warrant aspect of Hephaestus

Because, well, duh

that or the base weapon is bellows of Hephaestus

Aspect of Aeolus, keeper of the winds...

[dark cradle]

The next weapon is going to be the Chains of Athena and we're going to start killing the Gods themselves

[jade grove]

Instead of fire, it shoots wind that wall slams

Special replaced with a Wind Barrier

I like theory-designing weapons, okay.

[dark cradle]

Oooh wind

A giant fan would be cool

[jade grove]

heh, Asclepius is also associated with Apollo, btw

If we had an aspect of Asclepius then Artemis could comment on her nephew's staff

[dark cradle]

Or maybe something that's small and fast like a dagger or daggers?

[jade grove]

Mmmm

It'd be the same niche as the sword

The coolest way would be a dagger that teleports you to the enemy's back, but that's kind of just like sword/spear

[dark cradle]

Maybe you could charge it and mark multiple enemies as it charges then sorta blink between them?

It'd be an interesting mechanic to have something that you could throw and switch places with.

Like, back and forth.

[jade grove]

mmmm

invisibility though, it'd be fun

Kills refresh invisibility duration...

Sneaky.

I just want to throw snakes at things, though :c

[dark cradle]

OK so the next weapon is a t-shirt cannon but it shoots snakes

[jade grove]

This is fine.

"Hey guys. We have the Galleon Mortar, but all it does is snakes"

I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK

[lusty stump]

Snake shoot

[dark cradle]

Oooh

What about some badass gauntlets

and you just go around punching people

[jade grove]

Aspect of Kenshiro

It delays your damage, but you do more damage

The magic phrase to unlock it is "Omae wa mou shindeiru."

Skelly, reflexively: NANI!?

[dark cradle]

Hahaha exactly.

Give it some sorta mechanic that gives invulnerability temporarily to justify being so in their face

[jade grove]

Big brain thought

Ignited Ichor is almost the same thing as Boiling Blood

the name, not the effect

[primal whale]

It's the immortal version vs the mortal version

[jade grove]

I only JUST noticed that every keepsake has unique sfx

[latent gulch]

oh I noticed that early on. I really liked the small touch and spend some time listening to each keepsakes sound when selecting them. ^^:

[drowsy stream]

Aspect of chaos level 1 does nothing ?

[tawny patio]

@drowsy stream turn on damage number display and you'll notice the extra shield.

[deep pivot]

Lmao is that Pika Tracer?

[drowsy stream]

Ho ok he justs do more damage ? We cant see it ?

[crimson void]

The shields are too close together to see

[thorny thorn]

so, I have gone through all the conversation thingies with Sisyphus, talked to Meg about him, but I can't talk to Hades about easing his sentence, does it just randomly happen at some point or what am I supposed to do :D

[warm dove]

10 diamond to free him

check in contractor

@thorny thorn

[thorny thorn]

It isn't there cause you're supposed to talk to Hades about it as well

after I talked to Meg I went to do another run though instead of talking to Hades

so I'm not sure if I'm soft-locked out of it now or something

[warm dove]

wait what? o talked to hades first then meg

i*

[thorny thorn]

ye I don't have the contract job to ease his sentence

I checked all the tabs

[warm dove]

got enough heart?

[merry harbor]

It's unfortunately just RNG as far as I know, sorry

You can't soft-lock yourself out of events, unless it bugs, but in this case it just takes... a While.

[thorny thorn]

ah okay, that's no problem then

I already have like 88 hours played over 9 days of ownership of the game, what's another 88

[merry harbor]

Just trust Hades to be as inconvenient in your life as possible and you've got a rough estimate on how long it'll take.

[thorny thorn]

oh god

I just had a lvl 8 hangover buff on my multishield special

with literally every buff possible

15 dmg per half second, x2 from the legendary is 30, x 7(stacks) is 210

per half second

so x2 =

420

Now I see what Dionysus has done to his wine to make it so good

[merry harbor]

Living the dream

[jade grove]

blaze it

meanwhile, my base attack with privileged status on my spear currently does 69 damage.

👌

[merry harbor]

nice

[karmic oasis]

So, another day, another mindless episode of weapon speculation while impatiently waiting for the update: Have we all agreed that the Flamethrower is the definitive popular choice? And if we haven't, do we need to have an Bellowsamachy to make sure we can correct that?

[merry harbor]

I'm still crossing my fingers for a fist type weapon or something that fills a similar niche to the machete in Bastion.

[thorny thorn]

maybe Flamethrower will be an Exagryph aspect, Aspect of Helios

[deep pivot]

Zag with battleaxe would make Asterius happy

[tawny patio]

A recent post on Reddit speculating the next weapon feels very real

[deep pivot]

That’d be an interesting Aspect

[jade grove]

@tawny patio link it?

[karmic oasis]

I saw that reddit post, but there was a convincing counter argument that we are not missing a ranged weapon (in spite of my radical belief of we should only be getting a flamethrower)

while looking at everything as a binary, we have three melee and two ranged

but when adding an extra element, we have 1 close range, 2 mixed, 2 ranged

Also... they can move the weapon locations around as desired on the slots haha

[jade grove]

Give the sword a ranged attack 4head

[tawny patio]

I don't think the number of melee / ranged weapon matters that much. But "each weapon has an aspect of Gods who killed the Titans" is pretty convincing

[jade grove]

Why is no one linking the post

[tawny patio]

Thus it must be linked to Demeter somehow

[karmic oasis]

@jade grove Sword aspect of Flying Guillotine?

[jade grove]

Demeter is not a child of Kronos in this version.

[karmic oasis]

basiclly the post says that we need Demeter aspect of something, there are 3 melee and 2 ranged, so therefore the next weapon will be a demeter themed ranged torch

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/fafw7n/ive_figured_out_what_the_sixth_weapon_will_be/

[warm dove]

@karmic oasis we only need 1 big damage but slow atk

[deep pivot]

I thought she mentioned slaying the titans with Zeus in dialogue somewhere

[warm dove]

it gonna be a GIANT AXEEEEEÊ