the dude's suit from Transistor?
#h1-discussion
sharp parcel
proud orbit
Caelondian hammer for 6th weapon?
sharp parcel
it'll be a ranged weapon
proud orbit
A really slow hard hitting weapon I'll never use because slow weapons are unviable on high heat
But yes probably ranged
I'm actually hoping for a staff
noble sage
I'm hedging bets on staff as well
proud orbit
As in the magic casting kind
noble sage
like magical staff
proud orbit
Or a wand or some other kind of focus
sharp parcel
so you don't punch people with it?
knotty epoch
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sharp parcel
Gandalf definitely socked people in the face with his stick
noble sage
a projectile ranged weapon could be interesting
jade grove
I've been saying magic staff would be great for ages
hallow cargo
gandalf socked people in the face with knawledge
jade grove
Potential aspects: Hermes, Aesculapius, Hecate
it'd also be a perfect place to throw an Egyptian aspect - pick a pharaoh, make it a was-scepter
sharp parcel
Staff of Ra
jade grove
aesculapius, another healing aspect c:
sharp parcel
BOOM
proud orbit
I notice hermes is holding caduceus in his art so we can't yoink it I guess
jade grove
I just want Hecate, okay
sharp parcel
praise the sun, cursed wretches \ [T] /
noble sage
A fellow Hecate fan? Yes please
hexed smelt
i just want a magic weapon ;-;
jade grove
Same
hallow cargo
Praise the Sun \ [T] /
jade grove
That's a gun, mate
sharp parcel
a magical gun!
proud orbit
Sword is just edge based magic
sharp parcel
see, now you're thinking with magic!
proud orbit
Surviving edged magic
noble sage
Nyx and Hecate are so underrated in terms of underworld deities
jade grove
Hecate hasn't even been namechecked yet.
noble sage
Nyx mom is the best yes
proud orbit
Nyx will be important when she gets a proper portrait
noble sage
I'm actually kinda surprised we didn't get a Scythe weapon
proud orbit
And story arc beyond being there to encourage you
sharp parcel
think it's a bit later for a scythe
jade grove
In before it's a scythe
but then...
that'd be dream killing, as cool as scythes are
hallow cargo
throwing scythe
sharp parcel
especially since spear's spin is basically a scythe move
noble sage
Seeing as Chronos Scythe was used to cut him into pieces
noble sage
If we're talking weapons that destroyed the titans, that's a big one
hallow cargo
Cronus and Chronos are dif figures tho
Kronos/Cronus was associated with grain, harvesting, etc.
jade grove
Oh wait
sharp parcel
did they use the scythe tho? I thought they only used the sharp part, the sickle
jade grove
Chronos, different
hallow cargo
it was only later that people (con)fused him with chronos and made him about time
and then percy jackson sold him as a time-based figure
knotty epoch
i miss percy jackson
hallow cargo
i miss good percy jackson lmao
it was never like
a masterpiece
but the original series was a fun, solid YA modern fantasy series
noble sage
On the other hand, it didn't need to be
knotty epoch
when did it get bad
hallow cargo
it got shakier in series 2, but it wasn't bad
jade grove
I liked the Egyptian series more
hallow cargo
but i didn't enjoy either magnus chase book i read
i thought they were a lot weaker
and apparently the apollo books kinda suck
noble sage
You didn't like magnus?
hallow cargo
i liked the kane chronicles, too
knotty epoch
I only ever read series 1 and 2 and my favorite moment is from the 2nd one
noble sage
That's interesting
noble sage
From rick riordan's world
I'll say Percy Jackson was first followed closely by Magnus, the fact that it strikes for an older audience makes it a more interesting read
knotty epoch
do you think they'll ever make a movie of the series? i'm surprised there hasn't already been one or two
noble sage
Nah, there has never nor ever will be a movie
hallow cargo
in fact
percy jackson movies are theoretically impossible!
the laws of nature disallow it
noble sage
But really, the lightning thief movie kinda showed why it's hard to adapt them, budget
jade grove
Oh yeah. Shame we never got an Avatar: The Last Airbender movie either.
noble sage
You kinda need to either invest all in or make it an animated thing
noble sage
I wouldn't be opposed to an animated series
hallow cargo
animated percy jackson could be really good or really bad
heavily dependent on the art style in addition to the standard things
noble sage
as bad as the avatar movie was, Lightning thief was far worse
knotty epoch
I doubt they'd ever get the funding for it, but having it styled kinda like the clone wars series would be really good
hallow cargo
clone wars would be a good art style for it, yh
although...
pipe-dream art style would be the netflix castlevania art
hallow cargo
n
brisk trail
the avatar movie was just...so bad
the lightning thief was fun in a lot of places
this might be childhood nostalgia talking tho
hi guys i just watched avatar
good moie
vie
hallow cargo
blue people is fine
noble sage
i cannot even begin to describe how bad that movie was, speaking of lightning thief
hallow cargo
ATLA by m night shamalamadingdong was not fine
noble sage
they butchered every single plotline of the book
hexed smelt
#off-topic-discussion please!
noble sage
yeah, sorry. we kinda went off topic. I'm gonna rant about the lightning theif movie for a bit
brisk trail
oh i thought you were talking abt atla
mighty rapids
hello peeps! The game looks AMAZING. Hope to see it come to the switch one day. Happy big sunday!
solemn seal
sleek obsidian
Hey! Does anyone know how the attack/special/etc modifiers stack? Are all the bonuses calculated from base dmg? What about crit, backstabs etc?
knotty epoch
They should be additive, modifying from base damage (or if base damage is changed by a boon/hammer), crits should calculate after the number has been modified
iirc at least
livid cargo
Crits are definitely the last step
remote lily
https://imgur.com/gallery/OPHMUtP
Found on dead cells discord channel
livid cargo
Urge to kill is great though
sleek obsidian
so something like this? Base damage x boons, (base damage x boons) x everything else,((base damage x boons) x everything else) x crit?
vestal slate
I lowkey agree with the meme. Urge to Kill adds 10% when all base damage is so low. Sword, spears, shield all hit for 20-30, so 10% is 2 or 3. When Support Fire adds 14 damage per hit.
remote lily
The good side of the boon is the fact that it doesnt add to another boons. So its just ok when you pick it up in like half of the run when you already have an build
livid cargo
Yeah but its great if you already have an attack/special/cast boon
remote lily
overall its better in this patch cuz it can be upgraded by poms what was not possible earlier
vestal slate
That's the same for Support Fire though, so it's a lot weaker in utility. And I enjoy using Hourglass and getting multiple Attack/Cast items for the same effect
magic canyon
do you all prefer m+kb? or controller?
remote lily
Gamepad rulez
oh , now i see that Dead Cells Discord offtop is actually only Hades topic since few hours haha
we leak š
fair bronze
Is there any plans for a Hades multiplayer?
brisk trail
doesn't seem like the kind of game that would benefit from one
echo quail
^
noble sage
coop could be fun but hell to balance
agile stump
Just bought the game and I'm having an absolute blast. However, when I try to play with my Switch Pro controller, I can't seem to attack as fast and everything feels buggier. Anyone else experiencing this?
woven path
input lag from the controller?
radiant dune
oops wasnt' finished yet
sand hinge
Iām using a Bluetooth PS4 controller and that works well. Do you have one of those? @agile stump
radiant dune
As a big fan and player of the Zeus Shield aspect i've done some damage testing to find out the some of the best/optimal (Optimal being DPS + Control) ways to build the Zeus Aspect
I've ran a few damage build tests and for this post i will be focusing on the Zeus/Poseidon build, a build that might not immedeatly come to mind (Poseidon in that matter) seeing as the Zeus Special has decent base DPS (The damage is 30 which is average, but the amount of time it hits is quiet high making it a strong number) .
This damage from this build takes into consideration the following Zeus boons:
[Epic] Thunder Flourish (Special) - 40 Bolt damage per Shield hit
[Legendary] Splitting Bolt - All your lightning effects create an additional burst
[Rare] Static Discharge - Lightning effects makes foes Jolted (Not relevant for this damage test)
Running the damage numbers you get the following damage per 1 Tick of the shield damage:
30 (Shield Flat Damage)
40 (Shield Special Bolt)
40 (Zeus Legendary Bolt)
= 110 Damage per tick
However, eventho it seems logic that Zeus special would work on the Zeus Aspect (They even have the same name, maybe Supergiant even hinting at the synergy between them). The better way to go about this build is to have the Poseidon Special combined with the Zeus Duo boon, lets run the damage numbers again
The damage from this build takes into consideration same Zeus boons as stated above, but switches the special to Poseidon
[Epic] Tempest Flourish (Special) - +136% Special damage + Knocks Foes away
[Legendary] Splitting Bolt - All your lightning effects create an additional burst
[Duo] Sea Storm - Foes Knocked away also get struck by lightning
[Epic] Razor Shoals - Knock Away effects also rupture foes
[Rare] Static Discharge - Lightning effects makes foes Jolted
The damage numbers :
- 71 (Shield Flat)
- 40 (Duo Boon Bolt Damage)
- 15 (Rupture due to knock away)
= 126 Damage per tick + Applying 2 Debuffs for 50% increased damage against the target + adding in control about enemy positioning
Now if we want to perfect the build, we add in the Poseidon Legendary, making your knock away effects push away the enemy twice, the numbers become:
- 71 (Shield Flat)
- 40 (Duo Boon Bolt Damage)
- 15 (Rupture due to knock away)
- 60 (Zeus Legendary Bolt Damage, increased by 50% due to Rupture and Jolted being applied, 2 debuffs)
- 15 (Rupture
= 201 damage per shield tick
Now lets do the following build but lets say we have the Explosive Return hammer upgrade (60 Damage to your special when you catch it), we get the following:
- 71 (Shield Flat)
- 40 (Duo Boon Bolt Damage)
- 15 (Rupture due to knock away)
- 86 ( ? So this number also pops up , but i really have no idea where this damage comes from
) - 172 (Hammer Special = 120 due to +% damage from Special + 50% because of double debuff)
- 60 (Second Bolt )
- 15 (Second Rupture after 2nd knock away
= 459 for 1 shield tick + catch
One thing to keep in mind: This damage does not take into consideration the Wall Slam/Blasts effects that you will get , making you deal even more damage obviously
As a comparison, the damage of 1 shield tick with an Artemis/Aphrodite build with the following boons:
+22%^Crit damage
- 22% damage vs Weak targets
- 50% Crit damage vs weak
= 59 flat damage non crit
= 281 damage Crit
As Artemis/Aphrodite is considered the best way to build if you want to focus on pure damage, this damage calculation shows that thats not always the case
with 25% crit chance (20 Special, 5+ Pressure Points) you crit one time for every 4 shield ticks
So on average that will be 114 damage for one shield tick
- You need to apply weak in some other way beforehand
Meaning the Poseidon + Zeus build is superior with 201 damage, while also inflicting 2 debuffs
The End, 
If someone has any build suggestions that would like to be tested let me know
sharp parcel
nobody wants to play Zeus shield because Chaos does the same thing without a bunch of specific and duo boons, along with hammers
slap attack and special with statuses on em, done
don't need duos, don't need hammers
radiant dune
Its just a different way of playing
And
Im not saying Zeus is better or something
But you can also make the case
of "Nobody want sto play with Chaos shield because it's the same boring playstyle everytime"
You know whati mean?
regal holly
do you have to finish the game with your first 4th aspect to continue gaining them
or can you get them anyway
radiant dune
I mean i can play Zeus aspect 3 runs in a row and have fun, but after 1 chaos run i'm done with the aspect for some time
radiant dune
What do you mean? @regal holly Currently there's only 1 4th aspect available
Have to wait for future updates
for other ones
brisk trail
Right now.
regal holly
oh ok
i just assumed all 4 did
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
i really dont like the spear spin tbh
patent umbra
Ongoing Underworld Renovations
regal holly
all about that special chain life
regal holly
or crit on return special
hmm first 2 rooms
special chains + special knockback from poesidan
this seems šš»
sand hinge
@radiant dune I agree. You play the aspect/weapon you like. Nothing wrong with liking the Zeus one!
unborn spoke
i still think the Zeus Symbol is the Shazam one ā¤ļø
raw ridge
Guys, what do I need to do to get permissions to leave something in the feedback channel?
brisk trail
Check pinned messages in the channel.
raw ridge
Thanks mate
static wadi
Hello people
finite jacinth
hi
regal holly
its hilarious with knocks into walls create the aoe
spear special chain+rupture
i actually have a kinda dank knockback crit build going on
brisk trail
hades is so fricking good
finite jacinth
How do you manage that
The impervious stage is like a couple seconds long each time
regal holly
maybe it was like 20
but i only got 2 call bars full
this is the best build i think ive had
the small rooms in the last zone take 1-2 specials
everything just splodes
finite jacinth
Nice
brisk trail
so. id had some random additional dƩcor ideas while playing. anyone want to hear them?
static wadi
u can try feedback mb
brisk trail
dont have permission to post there
static wadi
read pinned in that channel 1st
brisk trail
thank you
stray zinc
well I finally got a win with Guan Yu
granted i just did a pure special build and kited everyone the whole game
i still think it's a bad weapon
the basic attack is unusable
brisk trail
i think the fact that it also reduces max HP gained trough the run, and reduces it by a LOT is what the real problem is.
how do you display chamber numbers on top right corner
without going into the boon menu
mint knoll
i finally beat hades for the first time today! it was my 45th try
serrated edge upgrade, athena boons aplenty and didnt need to use dd until the final boss
opaque nexus
#hades-feedback @brisk trail
brisk trail
thank you.
brisk trail
yeah, i thought the same about a few of the weapons. it just takes some getting used to for most of them.
magic canyon
also depends on the boons i guess
poseidon's boon w/ shield makes enmies fly across the map
its awesome
mint knoll
the only weapon i still struggle with is the bow
my best is the spear and the others im pretty good
brisk trail
the Aphrodite bow form, thing, with any boon that makes specials better is so strong against big enemies, especially the hydra.
summer palm
For me, my biggest issue with the Guan Yu Spear, is that I'm basically not playing the Spear. I like that it's a large deviation from the other Aspects of the Spear, but I still wanted it to BE the Spear, not an entirely different weapon. I hope that doesn't end up the case for all of the fourth Aspects.
If that's the intention, then I'd have to ask for a rename, because 'Aspects' definitely doesn't fit then.
opaque nexus
I feel like thatās the idea of 4th aspects though
Third aspects tend to play very different from the first 2 of each weapon
So it makes sense that the 4th is super different
Iām all for huge variance in gameplay for the 4th aspects
sterile light
4th sword is a flying sword
like in wuxia films
@opaque nexus adding a countdown timer like that goes against the sort of minimal ui design that we've got atm tho
opaque nexus
What about as a setting
opaque nexus
More UI customization would be great
opaque nexus
Idk having the boon list fade away when you arenāt checking them
flat vapor
makes me wonder if all of the 4th aspects' schtick is gonna be alternate movesets for less health
sterile light
Guan Yu is the most fun weapon I've played so far
opaque nexus
I know dude
sterile light
it's so good
opaque nexus
I do think 4th aspects are gonna be as drastically unique as guan though
sterile light
I think the main reason why
is that it turns combat into an opportunity
rather than a chore and a risk
every combat is an opportunity to heal and gain resource
opaque nexus
I feel like a good change would be making the spin move faster so it can reach more enemies and further but heal less
sterile light
iunno
spin is already dependent on two hammers for viability as is
or at least one hammer
summer palm
Honestly, with how many other ways we have to heal, I just don't see the extreme value in Guan Yu that some do. It's hefty loss of maximum health throughout the run, and in exchange, you have another way to heal.... Except you can easily end up losing health while trying to use it. Use Guan Yu, get another way to heal, less max health... Or don't use Guan Yu, have more max health overall, and if you can only get healing every five rooms or so, you are still alive anyways. I don't honestly think the risk is worth the reward.
Especially when you can end up meeting Hades with 100 HP or less in some runs... And that's like three hits at some Heat setups. That's not really a risk I like taking.
sterile light
Really?
because GY gives you far more healing safely than spending gold on it.
and that frees up your gold for other things.
opaque nexus
What about the pact that reduces healing
sterile light
like poms and boons.
opaque nexus
Also the spin attack is super safe and goes through walls
sterile light
it's safe if you time it well and position yourself well
and use the dash and special attacks majority of the time
and casts I guess
opaque nexus
You never want to spend gold on healing
sterile light
^
opaque nexus
Also as I said before thereās a pact that negates healing from food items
sterile light
Every other way to heal costs gold. The only free ones are random spawns.
summer palm
....If I don't use Guan Yu, I don't need anywhere near as much healing, though. And I have more max HP, so I can often just afford to wait until the mid Biome heals
sterile light
You need zero healing with Guan Yu though.
opaque nexus
Is your guan yu level 5
near canopy
How do u get boldy
sterile light
I guess different strokes for different folks?
GY lets you make a lot more mistakes in combat
near canopy
Iāve talked to your one so many times
vocal thorn
My issue with Guan Yu and cursed blade, is that the healing is balanced around the default enemy damage. When I'm at +100% enemy damage and +40% enemy speed, the weapon healing starts to not be awesome
opaque nexus
Iāve heard from 2 of the best players here that itās a really good weapon
summer palm
Seems it. I can't say as I've spoken to anyone that isn't either in love with Guan Yu or hating it. Rather polarizing apparently.
sterile light
means they've made an interesting weapon rather than a bland one
vocal thorn
It's better than the other spears for a 32 heat, but the spears were near the bottom of the high-heat list before that...
summer palm
True. And I can appreciate that much about it, it is definitely unique and interesting
sterile light
I mean, let's be real: shield is the best weapon overall.
opaque nexus
Forge10 said itās the second best option for 32 heat
vocal thorn
I'd still rather use Hestia for 32 heat
static wadi
how do u aim Hestia
sterile light
Sword is meh, Spear straight up was my least favourite weapon before Guan Yu, rail is weird
static wadi
i miss so many shotds
sterile light
Bow is okay
summer palm
I've no idea who that is.... And honestly I wouldn't really care if I did, I'm not in the habit of taking one person's opinion as correct, no matter their skill level
vocal thorn
with the PS4 controller's right stick
summer palm
Spear is easily my favorite, hands down. Best feeling weapon to use IMO
opaque nexus
Well I canāt say how good something is in 32 heat
sterile light
near canopy
Rail feels weird to use
vocal thorn
Forge10 is one of the few people that did 32 heat on each of the 5 weapons
opaque nexus
Because I havenāt done anything in 32 heat
near canopy
Shield and bow are the best imo
opaque nexus
Also a former speedrun record holder
summer palm
Given that I know what you get for 32 Heat.... I just don't want to be bothered. I probably could do it eventually.... But why care? I got the 16 and left it there
near canopy
I have it unlocked
sterile light
oh nvm then
summer palm
For general usage, there's not really a point to playing at higher than 15 Heat, to unlock all the Infernal Gates
opaque nexus
Some people find the challenge fun
near canopy
@sterile light do u know how to get boldy ?
opaque nexus
Also completionists
sterile light
I think
near canopy
Iāve talked to Sisyphus soo many times
vocal thorn
I don't think I've ever seen anyone use a 15 heat infernal gate
sterile light
true
static wadi
15 heat is not so high
sterile light
cries in 5 heat
vocal thorn
I mean the gates that take 15 heat
static wadi
i know
vocal thorn
like the 3rd biome
static wadi
i entered Elisium erenbus
opaque nexus
I donāt use infernal gates much at all
sterile light
also, 100% GY is really not so bad, especially with the boosted darkness upgrade
opaque nexus
So I have no idea whatās in them, but thatās more of a gameplay channel thing
vocal thorn
Like, the first 2 biomes seem like it's cool to do an infernal gate, and still reach the 7:00 minute timer, but I don't want to anything in the 3rd biome that might extend the timer for even 10 seconds
static wadi
Erebus can give u great boost
summer palm
|| You need to get the sentence paper from the house contractor for Diamonds and then keep talking and gifting Sisyphus || @sterile light @near canopy If you actually want to know about Bouldy, but it IS a spoiler
sterile light
I see
vocal thorn
To be honest, if they game allowed me to auto-fail a 3rd biome infernal gate, and immediately go to the next room, I'd do it
summer palm
Honestly, I'm way too lazy to consistently run Tight Deadline. I don't want to be in a rush constantly.
full jewel
I know that feeling lol
static wadi
u still need to kill all
vocal thorn
I know, which is why I don't do infernal gates in the 3rd biome
static wadi
it's ok with good safe build
vocal thorn
You never know if the game will stick you with the minotaur mini-boss that has way more health than the soul catcher miniboss, or if you'll get stuck in a room where small chariots spawn for like 2 minutes in just that one room
opaque nexus
Timer is asinine in elysium
full jewel
Thatās the main reason I donāt use it lol
summer palm
Elysium in general still feels weird. If I'm gonna lose a run, I lose it in Elysium or to Theseus specifically. Not to ||Hades or Styx|| really
opaque nexus
Spoiler bro
summer palm
Oh right, MB lemme move things
summer palm
...Is that an actual r/?
full jewel
I never fully die in elysium havenāt in a long time. Takes a death defy sometimes tho :(
summer palm
Who am I kidding, it's the internet, OFC that's a thing
Honestly, with how often I run the Zagreus Sword for fun, or take Serrated Edge on the Spear, I've developed a bad habit of dashing into things in Elysium because I'm never sure of how long my dash actually is or isn't anymore
full jewel
My only real problem with elysium is the baby chariots. When the room is just nothing but those itās not even hard just tedious and not fun lol
magic canyon
do you not have a good aoe?
summer palm
Explosive chariots are just plain awful. Is it impossible to deal with them? No. Are they adding anything fun to the room as you run away from them? Also no.
full jewel
Not every single run brother
summer palm
Survival Rooms are the same. Don't attack, it's the bad way to do things... Just run away. Stop playing the game and run around for a bit, that'll be fun, right?
full jewel
I play with jury summons on and elysium is probably where I notice it the most
Drags on forever
summer palm
It's a hefty difficulty jump yeah
proud orbit
Playing with 7 min tight deadline,
I make it to hydra with 3 minutes left
But I run out of time before the boss in elysium
vocal thorn
I swear some of the Elysium enemies (e.g. spear guys) will start their attack when they feel like it, and pushing them around or whatever doesn't do anything to them... unlike pretty much everything else in the game
proud orbit
Somethings up
summer palm
I heard somewhere that Elysium actually has a couple extra chambers... But I never pay attention to the chamber count, so I'm not really clear if that's correct or not
proud orbit
Usually in games self reviving enemies have lower hp
vocal thorn
My favorite part is watching a streamer do 7 minute Elysium, and found out he got more free-time rooms, like a Thanatos room, which makes things much easier
proud orbit
I had a shop and patroclus but still wasn't enough
You need to get a shop, than, patroclus and the reprieve room
summer palm
Self reviving enemies are in other games? Yech. They're bad enough in this one
proud orbit
Then you can make it through
vocal thorn
Like, they could just give more free rooms to a 7 minute run, so that it doesn't unbalance the low heat people
full jewel
Styx can be kinda sketchy I heard if u get bad sack rng
vocal thorn
and not minotair miniboss. For some of my runs, the elite soulcatcher miniboss would actually be a faster room than a normal room
summer palm
Could just add a minute to Elysium. Honestly, the Biomes are very different, so the same time for every Biome doesn't make a lot of sense.
full jewel
But I wouldnāt know I refuse to use deadline
magic canyon
so i got the fishing rod, how do i do what the fishing rod do to what fish? /endofstroke
summer palm
Ending up with a ton of extra time in two Biomes, not enough time in a third, and just the right amount in the last, is really weird
vocal thorn
I still think the game should just refund some time, if you make it through a tunnel, but still don't have the sakc
sack
vocal thorn
or just make it so 7 minute deadline people always get it on the 2nd tunnel
summer palm
Giving a time amount for the entire game clear would be a bit better IMO to balance it all out
static wadi
@magic canyon Find spot
proud orbit
Then elysium just goes off on a tangent
vocal thorn
The first two biomes are completely fine at 7:00 minutes
summer palm
7 per Biome is 28 minutes, clearing the game in 28 minutes is handily done.
full jewel
Whoops
proud orbit
Reduce enemy health and enemy spawns in elysium that's what they gotta do
static wadi
u r great
vocal thorn
giving a time amount for the entire game would encourage people to quit the run if they were behind
full jewel
I feel like the time difference in zones wouldnāt be a big deal normally but with deadline it sucks
proud orbit
@vocal thorn as opposed to just dying in elysium every time
summer palm
So, Coffee?
static wadi
thx i prefer tea
vocal thorn
true. It still seems like the timer was biome-specific on purpose, to discourage people from quitting early
summer palm
Honestly, without even intentionally going fast, I habitually finish at around 35 minutes, and that's with pausing to pet my cat and things like that.
vocal thorn
Though it honestly still makes me quit the game if I make it to elysium, and still don't have a reliable two status ailments
summer palm
If you're behind on a 28 minute timer, I expect you're having a pretty bad run anyways and would be tempted to quit regardless
vocal thorn
I have a recent game, where each elysium room took like 2 minutes, because the game just gave me garbage
proud orbit
Fond memories of old tight deadline 
summer palm
I've had runs like that. I usually get to Asphodel and if it's like that, I just go stand in lava
full jewel
What was old deadline?
proud orbit
To think I was an advocate for making tight deadline harder back then
I think it started at 7 minutes
Then you got 2 extra minutes each biome
Needless to say
It was free heat
summer palm
That would be insane, dang
static wadi
http://prntscr.com/qwl9ng thx Athena so kind of you
vocal thorn
My other un-favorite, is 2 no choice runs, where I'm stuck with a lot of utility boons, because the attack/special/dash boons were grayed out too often
brisk trail
Looks like no one liked my dƩcor ideas. sadness
summer palm
Attack, Death Defiance, Death Defiance?
static wadi
yes
cloud belfry
so
i was poking around the Hades files and found the subtitles file. what i find interesting is how hypnos doesn't have a file in here. i looked everywhere but i cant find ANYTHING for hypnos.
i was wondering why he doesnt have a file
static wadi
dead link btw
cloud belfry
really? dang
summer palm
Sorry Stony, I just don't want ever more cosmetics to buy before I'm done with it. Not honestly fond of them now.... Especially now that a FISH can get more than an elite room fight for Gems
Seriously, why is a Fish more rewarding than fighting for my life? That makes NO sense
cloud belfry
hmm. but the gist is that there is a file in the hades files that has all the subtitles for all the characters in excel files, but for some reason hypnos doesnt have one
brisk trail
but, you dont have to buy them. and the bedroom seems to have the least. but i will agree gems need rebalanced
proud orbit
He probably does under a different name
summer palm
You don't HAVE to buy them, but the contractor will just keep harassing you about them until you do
cloud belfry
i checked every file and he's mentioned in others (like meg and zaghouse) but he doesnt have his own
brisk trail
the notification to buy stuff never goes away for me, even when i do own everything
summer palm
Honestly I'm still pushing for meta currency to dissapear once you've used up all uses for them. After I'm done with it all, I'm never going to want it again, it's just going to be a bad room
At the very least, once you're done with them, make them as rewarding as the base rooms for what they offer. IE, Darkness being worth as much as a Centaur Heart once you've used up all Darkness uses
brisk trail
well, there still adding more uses. OH that gives me an idea. whatabout spending them on one time buffs for a run?
summer palm
At least Keys are just Fated Authority, that's worthwhile.
...Stony, what about when they STOP adding more uses?
brisk trail
i just gave a way to keep spending them
summer palm
Also, why would I want one time buffs? What are they going to be? Health/Healing I might not need? Attack damage bonus when the boons might be better for a Special run?
I would rather they were gone, or 'buffed' upon completion, rather than have them add some kind of sink for them late game
proud orbit
I unno both of those alternatives make the game easier which is sorely not needed
summer palm
Debatable. After all, nobody has completed the game at its highest difficulty
So it's not like it needs to be any harder, certainly
proud orbit
They just recently nerfed a whole bunch of things
summer palm
They did. And I was displeased
But even before the Long Winter update, nobody had completed Max heat
So the point stands regardless
If nobody can complete the game at its highest difficulty, it doesn't need more difficulty
summer palm
Double No Choice would like to say Hi here and remind you that RNG is a hell of a factor as well
proud orbit
RNG always a factor
My point is you can get rolls where you beat everything up to elysium
static wadi
Hermes empathizied me about my lost winstreak
proud orbit
And just run out of time
summer palm
You could do the same in Asphodel TBH
Extreme Measures Hydra will kill you eventually no matter how good you are, if you take too long to kill it
proud orbit
It's doable but elysium really isn't
summer palm
Then clearly... Elysium is still more difficulty than we can handle, so don't add any?
Crazy notion that
RL calls, later all
static wadi
Elisium reqires already done build
brisk trail
iv gotten up to heat 24. never used time constraints, because sometimes you can win, youv just gotta grind trough a lot of health.
static wadi
kill me
proud orbit
vocal thorn
Like, I could get to Elysium with a chiron bow, without a special boon the entire time. The first two biomes have a large margin or error
static wadi
and i accidently did it
brisk trail
the enemies i have the most trouble with is the shield dudes. and Theseus himself.
brisk trail
yes, i know dodge behind them, sounds simple.
brisk trail
problem is, that just dosn't gel with my usual style of dashing around randomly and swinging like a madman.
static wadi
Spearman usually
brisk trail
also got blown up by chariots after taking the cursed sword thing from a hammer. figured i could handle being down to 50HP. only to dash into two arrow traps in an exploding chariots room.
@static wadi so, your asking to be killed, whats the problem?
static wadi
i already said all after
static wadi
i acidently surrender after Euro room
brisk trail
Ohh, thats rough
unique river
so question - how does hera bow work with aphro cast?
vocal thorn
The shield guys are at least predictable. if i move in front of them, and dash behind them, they will 100% of the time dash toward me and spin attack. The spear guys just attack whenever they feel like, and poseidon's knockbacks don't even stop it
static wadi
@unique river yes
flat vapor
same as it does with any other cast
static wadi
it works good iirc
unique river
I mean, her cast is short range while the bow is long range
I haven't tried it out, just thinking of it
static wadi
cast will release where ur arrow hit
unique river
Ohhh
flat vapor
the cast is fired where the arrow hits anyways
static wadi
if u hit enemy with arrow - he will get aphro cast in the face
unique river
then using aphro cast is great
flat vapor
hera bow is meant for burst attacks
static wadi
Dio cast and aphro cast seems best for me
unique river
just did Dio cast, worked pretty nice
shadow trellis
Anyone know how the new ice aoe on cast works with Hera bow?
static wadi
Artemis good too but it's too bad vs big crowds
flat vapor
snow burst is still an aoe around you, but it goes off with each cast shot
so if you shoot three casts with hera, three bursts happen around you
static wadi
btw some demeter boon for no stones works great for Hera
steel stratus
the fishing update and the animal crossing news together have me thinking of zag as a villager with the rest of the gods as the animals
static wadi
well who ever need to find his mother as fast as possible... when he can fish!
it reminded me about Witcher 3 and Gwent
why Zag even fishing and gathering gems and diamonds when he is not gonna back
http://prntscr.com/qwloyk so just finished Erebus in elisium
steel stratus
i think theres a convo with meg about that, he just wants to improve the quality of life for the people who are going to be staying there
he's a very sweet boy
static wadi
i thought he has some more important things to do
vast junco
while the escape is very much his main goal, he does make it pretty clear that he doesn't want to hurt others or totally lose sight of them while he's trying
unique river
man, hera aspect gets destroyed by casts getting stuck in unreachable places
whole ocean
He's also pretty aware that the Fates seem to be against his leaving, at least for now. He keeps trying anyway though, which is pretty good evidence for Achilles' theory that he's some sort of god of Life. Constant cycle of struggle, death, and rebirth.
Also, agreed. Don't miss your shot with Hera or you can get very screwed over by where they end up.
static wadi
aaaaand i did it http://prntscr.com/qwlwd6
ivory remnant
Unrelated to the above topic: would you describe any of the characters (and their dialogue) in the game as 'aloof, but not hostile'? Looking for a good reference on that for a PC I'm playing in a DnD game.
brisk trail
Patroclus.
ivory remnant
Ooh, had not considered him! thank you for the tip!
ivory remnant
the full onion codex entry, if you haven't gotten it already
proud orbit
Max heat 
no
brisk trail
@tardy flume Hera also has an Aspect, and at least Hyperion and Helios are namedropped by Demeter.
brisk trail
Only once, dialogue might have just not cycled yet.
brisk trail
Yeah, Demeter compares her father to Hades's father and Zag's father.
brisk trail
Hyperion.
tardy flume
wait what
brisk trail
I don't think she mentions either Theia or Rhea.
tardy flume
She has a quote where she was like: "I sprung out of Theia"
brisk trail
I may have not seen that one, then.
tardy flume
yah prob
I'm interested to see how they all look now
since msot are dead and in the underworld
hexed smelt
@hexed wyvern Cute, but #off-topic-discussion is the better place!
hexed wyvern
grizzled path
Gratz!
whole ocean
Is the art for Nyx final? It's almost exactly the same as Charon's?
brisk trail
No, neither are final.
whole ocean
Good to know. I bet they'll look amazing.
hexed smelt
Are the robed character portraits final? No. These are an example of work-in-progress content weāll update during Early Access.
whole ocean
Out of all the portraits, I have to say I like Chaos best. They packed in a lot of detail on them.
finite jacinth
There's something less of a deity and more of the embodiment of a concept. pretty neat how Chaos was illustrated.
alpine stratus
theyre also just gorgeous
finite jacinth
What's the max stack on Dionysus' Hangover debuff? I thought it was 5, but I somehow managed to get an 8 stack on the final boss
proud orbit
harsh compass
41 attempts , nearly 23 hours in
brisk trail
That's spoilers, @harsh compass
harsh compass
Im sorry i didnt realize
brisk trail
It's cool, congratulations!
harsh compass
Ill post there
brisk trail
You can just say "final boss".
harsh compass
Ok!
It took a long time but i did it with the bow
Now to do it with the other weapons
rotund finch
I think I noticed a bug?
When I use the Bow on Skelly and Powershot it does 90? But in Tartarus it only does 60?
brisk trail
Were you backstabbing Skelly?
brisk trail
Or did you have a Bloodstone in with maxed Boiling Blood?
rotund finch
no, I could just be dumb though lol I'll check again later
im assuming 60 is the correct value then?
sharp parcel
60 is non-charged
brisk trail
No, 60 is standing power shot.
sharp parcel
what? Are you telling me Powershot only adds 10 damage?
rotund finch
hmm ok then yeah I'm probably just dumb lol
brisk trail
Yes.
sharp parcel
no wonder it feels so bad
stiff star
where can i find the credits for the game?
brisk trail
Main menu.
stiff star
ah ty
sharp parcel
it's in Settings, for some reason
fast cove
How do you get the event with Meg? I've done like 30 runs and nothing happens.
brisk trail
You're using Extreme Measures?
rose remnant
should I give 1 titan blood for 250 gems?
dreamy roost
Completely up to you. If you're comfortable getting to Styx with obols, you can always buy titans blood. Or farm it on various heats, etc.
It's really determined by how much you value the gemstones
rose remnant
i would say im new to the game lol
so I'm really not sure, i only have 4 titan bloods
I'm new to the game for sure XD
noble sage
oh then no
dreamy roost
I'd hold onto titans blood then. You don't really need the gems for anything for a long while, but titans blood goes a long way with the aspects
noble sage
yup
rose remnant
I see. Btw, any guide or video to learn how to improve regarding combat?
noble sage
people have regret buys with titans blood all the time
dreamy roost
I imagine there are some out there, but I don't know any, personally.
But feel free to ask questions if there's anything in particular that you're wondering about
My best advice is this: after you get an idea for combat and the various boons, learn how the boons work. There's typically 3 tiers of boons per god, and you can use the flowchart-esque knowledge of how they work, and the duo boons, to start building, well, builds. Once you have an idea of what works, the game is much easier. Especially since you're building up you're mirror while you're doing it
spring drum
It doesn't matter what heat level you farm darkness on right?
empty ferry
one below your current
but i wouldnt recommend trying to farm darkness
best to just try for bounties and let darkness come naturally
because bounties are going to be the big bottleneck for progression
old quartz
Especially since bounties will give you progression and you'll still get darkness on the way
empty ferry
and anything past 1 or 2 fated authority is not worth chasing anyway, and that came pretty quickly for me
night turret
I'm at that point that I'll give anything for a drop of blood.
stoic quail
If I may chime in, definitely don't sell your bloods. Unless you really know what you are doing and that is what you need right now then it is a bad trade.
spring drum
I find the darkness for the fated authority slowly trickling in
But ill just farm blood if thats the recommendation
stoic quail
well you are going to get a lot of darkness anyway repeating runs, unless you escape every single time you turn up the heat of course š
hallow cargo
i accidentally traded around bounty rewards before i knew what i was doing lol
which was kinda sad
stoic quail
I am naturally a hoarder. I am one of those players who will finish entire games and still have inventory with full stacks of consumables I didn't want to "waste"
old quartz
^ very much the same
hallow cargo
i've broken my hoarding habits
playing D:OS 1 and 2 on harder difficulties forced me to actually use consumables
night turret
Yeah, Harder difficulties are usually break some awful habbits.
stoic quail
Dos1&2 are my all time favourite games. Particularly 2.
Hades is very quickly becoming ny favourite action roguelite/roguelike though. Slightly addicted. I been ill all of last week so just been sitting at home playing haha
rose remnant
what is the best weapon to upgrade
narrow karma
what was your winning build?
wicked gale
hey boys anyone got some tearlist for the boons>?
empty ferry
i dont think such a thing exists
drafting boons isnt that simple, and depends greatly on the weapon and aspect you are using
maiden matrix
demeter does have a call, right? the wiki doesn't list it but i swear i remember using it before
patent umbra
Demeter's call is the chilling vortex
brisk trail
wheres the tierlist for the npcs?
maiden matrix
gotcha, thanks!
brisk trail
achilles and dionysus at the top, with hades, tisiphone and hypnos at the bottom, and people like hermes or zeus in the middle
noble sage
And Cerberus is SSS+ tier
ancient merlin
how dare you say that about my boy hypnos
brisk trail
cerberus is sss tier, hypnos is the phlegm under the diaphragm of a man dying from pneumonia
modern garnet
agile saddle
just finished my first run with Guan Yu aspect. not sure how i feel about it
stiff summit
https://imgur.com/EFEDvSM
Does this enhance only special range or even attack range? Because I feel like its attack also has the long range
hallow cargo
tbh
why do we have 2 and a half special spear aspects?
2 special, 2 spin, and one of the spins is also special :v
where's my attack-based spear aspect
stiff summit
I know right. I want an attack based spear aspect
It was my most used weapon until they changed it
cursive steppe
Part of the charm and fun of this game is exploring builds
night turret
Eh Dare I say that Hades's aspect is more attack-based, than spin?
safe sand
Does slowdown only affect movement speed or also attack speed?
And another question: souvenirs from the gods only act 1 time on the chance of a certain god appearing in the next room?
old quartz
Yes to your second question , but they still increase rarity if you run into them again
For the 1st question, I'm not sure. I know heat MS modifier increases attack and movement
empty ferry
For enemies yes, for the player no
safe sand
Hm... oke
sour dove
Any idea how many different types of fish there are ??
I thought it was 2 per realm but i think i caught my first rare fish for the first realm
patent umbra
Each zone has a common uncommon and rare fish
tawny patio
night turret
Try them all by spending blood -> making a stroll in tartarus -> then give up in the run once you have rough understanding of an aspect.
agile saddle
wouldn't Guan Yu be considered an attack spear? it does the most damage with attacks right?
hallow cargo
it's pretty insistently spin-based
since it's got an obscenely good spin attack
that heals you
static wadi
@agile saddle with special too
brisk trail
Is there any good build for the rail
timid vector
we're discussing it in #h1-builds-and-combat right now @brisk trail
agile saddle
does olympian favor and god's pride work together? cause olympian favor has more % then pride meaning more boons would be rare not epic?
vernal basalt
river echo
I have a question, if i use the pierced butterfly and then switch it out for another keepsake, do i still keep the damage bonus?
night turret
no
digital tree
@royal juniper About your feedback post. I've had the same problem lately. I got all the way to Styx with only two boons the other day. Demeter's attack and her call. I'm repeatedly getting to Hades without a dash/cast/special etc.
ocean kayak
would like to remind everyone here that people's experience (and feedback) with the game is not more or less valid based on how high they crank the heat. the pact of punishment is post-game content that is an optional challenge. people choosing not to go for high heat are still playing Hades as it was intended. You have to complete it that way at least once.
north bane
Yeah last couple runs I got some bad boon drought too lol
Real feels bad man moments just rolling like darkness and keys on doors over and over again lol
main venture
Gemstones or no dice
north bane
Gemstone troves or bust
main venture
Yes.
Best troves, then money, health, and darkness last :p
Darkness is the first resource thay gets the shaft for me.
north bane
Darkness troves disappoint me every time lol
agile saddle
Temple of Styx is easily the worst designed place in the entire game. Worst enemy design/worst room design/enemies randomly dont stagger anymore even though the entire game enemies have hit stagger(except with rail)
like i hate getting to the end cause that means i have to deal with Styx
north bane
The only thing I hate about it is the dumb sattys
And their dumb poison
Rat poison I can deal with but those darts
Ahhhhh
I also didn't figure out there was an antidote in rooms until I ran the place like 12 times lol
stoic quail
I like styx
agile saddle
But the thing is the very last area of the game they introduce a status effect that was nowhere else in the game had nothing like it in the game and then they buffed it for no reason. All of the enemies have a way to make these tiny rooms filled with some form of attack bomb/ poison/poison darts/laser beams You're in tiny rooms with giant aoes and traps
spring drum
Monsters floating to over lava where you cant hit them
Having to run onto lava to retrieve your casts š
agile saddle
All the enemies in Asphodel are super weak though
spring drum
They are weak, but mechanics wise they are just a hassle
agile saddle
I mean you can also hit them into lava
serene obsidian
The different biomes test different styles of play....I think it is a great design idea
agile saddle
But the last area isn't even a real biome it would have been different if it was a mismatch of the different three biomes but the thing is it's just a garbage area and I hope I get the satyr sack on the first or second room
stoic quail
I'd argue if it was a mismatch of the three biomes that would just be lazy and feel more repetitive
agile saddle
Styx completely ruins the fun for me
stoic quail
I don't see why that should be the case. You just need to learn to adapt to the different settings. Learn to play in a tight space and deal with dangerous enemies
sand stump
For a game that focus in moving around so much, a small room with so many poison puddle is really off
stoic quail
There is plenty of opportunity to move around. And you can dictate where the poison puddles end up by shepherding the rats and making sure you damage them in an area you are ok to have poison build up
agile saddle
I mean I guess screw yourself if you're playing bow because half of those small areas have random walls
Also the rats can put poison in front of the antidote which means as you take the antidote you get poisoned again
stoic quail
Petition to give Styx the nickname "Blighttown"
hallow cargo
you mean "Detroit"
vocal thorn
I feel like blighttown was way more fair than Styx
dawn pumice
how do i use titans blood guys?
mortal brook
First you've gotta unlock all weapons
hallow cargo
n
mortal brook
Then you use it to upgrade them
sharp parcel
I don't remember any healing fountains in Blighttown
royal juniper
@digital tree yea, it's rough when you pick an attack focused weapon aspect, pick a god trinket to hopefully get a certain attack, and pick early hammers that buff your attack, and then you sit at styx and the game simply never offered you a single attack boon and the run took 40+ minutes^^ i get there's supposed to be rng, but it happens strangely frequently as of late, with every room just being darkness, key or gems.
spring drum
Styx can be really rough for bow if you dont pick up the bouncing of walls and monsters upgrade
Or you dont have hera bow
serene obsidian
Styx is definitely the hardest biome for the bow
remote lily
ok finally did avatar for Long Winter update
vocal thorn
You had consumables to cure poison. And blighttown never did things like spawn swarms of rats at your feet, that could immediately attack, even though they might ignore the first two hits of damage.
sharp parcel
yeah, the entire floor was just a one big poison pool
vocal thorn
Blighttown also understood the concept of telegraphing attacks, instead of having giant rats that literally give zero warning for when theyāll attack
sharp parcel
at least the rats only spew their stuff around after you get there, and it all leaves through the floor after
they do show an attack
there's just too much crap on the screen to follow, not to mention the zoomed out camera
vocal thorn
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sharp parcel
it's also the reason exalted are insufferable
their attacks are well telegraphed, there's just no time to watch out for em
it's the equivalent of 5 enemies falling onto you from above in DS, you just roll and pray
vocal thorn
I canāt even tell if a giant rat is getting ready to attack, even if itās the only thing in the room
solar heart
Does anyone know how to get the third weapon aspect unlocked? Got it on my spear and unsure exactly how I did it, as it's not maxed out in anything
sharp parcel
if it stopped spewing poison around and is walking towards you, it's about to attack
vocal thorn
I dunno. I canāt remember any trash fights in any of the dark souls, that were unfair
sharp parcel
it stops and raises its head right before the attack
grand crystal
@solar heart once you got to a certain point achilles had dialouge about him seeing guan yu with the spear, then you have to look at the aspects then you get it
sharp parcel
that's because you've died to those "traps", and took your time after, beating it effortlessly
that's why you don't remember the janky stuff
solar heart
Yeah - I did that @grand crystal . Just not sure what I did with the spear to trigger that event
So I can replicate for my other weapons
grand crystal
so far tyhe spear is the only one with that kind of aspec
all of the others only have zag and 2 more
solar heart
Ahh
sharp parcel
cuz it was piss easy after you've seen it
solar heart
Thanks for the answer, Was driving me insane. Looks like the devs are doing a good job of releasing content in chunks.
vocal thorn
Is it like a .25 second warning, similar to the final boss spear thrust, were the telegraph animation is there, but itās unrealistic to expect humans to be able to actually respond to it in time?
grand crystal
yea np
sharp parcel
you're supposed to just keep your distance after skull throws against the boss
or just get + dashes and do whatever you want
really, that's the real solution to the boss, extra dashes
vocal thorn
- dashes arenāt guaranteed though
sharp parcel
yes, that's the random part
analog elbow
@tardy flume There are mentions of titans now, look in Tartarus in the river to see hands poking out with forks sticking out of them. I took those to be Titan body parts.
vocal thorn
Every streamer Iāve ever seen with a melee weapon just face tanks him, while dashing back and forth, and hoping for the best
Iāve literally never seen a melee user attempt any sort of actual strategy against the final boss
sharp parcel
that works on normal because of the shield
you risk getting comboed if you do that on hell
which'll instantly kill you
analog elbow
I mean, strategy with the sword? what is that, unless you play a cast build
vocal thorn
Hmm
grand crystal
ummmmmmmmm, heavy dps
analog elbow
pff omg that fight must take forever
grand crystal
is always fun
sharp parcel
but yes, Forced Overtime hits the sword the hardest
grand crystal
and actually watching for animations and what not to dodge
vocal thorn
I was wondering how all the streamers got away with that. I only play hell mode, so I never really learned what triggered the normal-mode shield
analog elbow
idk, personally the sword feels the weakest
grand crystal
@analog elbow its really good tho
sharp parcel
it appears if you take a certain amount of damage relative to your max HP
grand crystal
it has insane dps and a lot of potential with the different aspect
sharp parcel
I don't know the exact numbers
analog elbow
@grand crystal how do you get it to work?
sharp parcel
it's basically a built in speartip without the cooldown
analog elbow
gotcha, i'll try it
grand crystal
ares on special is stupid
analog elbow
I got my 20 heat win with it by playing a poseidon cast build lol
analog elbow
I can hardly ever win a melle run with it
grand crystal
i feel like sword takes more time to get used to and goood as
analog elbow
prolly
tho I have no issued with the spear, it's amazing!
issues*
I'll give it some time, maybe I just need to figure out how to play with it better. Thanks for the advice!
sharp parcel
it allows you to fish in random places
fishing nets you fish, which can be exchanged for resources
lyric frost
after clearing a room you'll sometimes hear a "bell" chime, which tells you that a fishing spot has shown up in the room somewhere
It's like a sparkling little puddle somewhere in the water, and then you can fish in it by pressing E
as far as I'm aware, there isnt any way to guarantee that a fishing spot shows up; it's all random so you just kind of have to keep playing until one shows up
lyric frost
np man
rare bridge
hey dumb question so I noticed that the final boss isnt affected by extreme measures, Is that is the works? I'm kinda scared to what you guys are gonna cook up
rare bridge
Jeez an I can barely beat that bastard without any new stuff, I'll relish the challenge when it comes
lyric frost
Oh man, I can't even beat Theseus and Asterius with Extreme Measures; never mind the final boss (if that were a thing)
I wonder what it would look like if it existed...
lyric frost
Maybe that's true, actually
I've just found EM hydra so many times I've gotten good at it
but ive only fought EM T&M a couple times so im much worse
split mauve
brisk trail
Will this game ever have mod support to have community made content and improvements?
sharp parcel
not before the 1.0 release
fluid comet
Would you recommend controller or keyboard?
sharp parcel
I play with kb & m, absolutely fine
seen others play with a pad, they liked it, too
keep aim assist on regardless
the isometric perspective will mess up your aim otherwise
fluid comet
š
stoic quail
I play with a controller. Feels really good on controller.
quasi walrus
plucky shoal
Does the guaranteed boon from trinkets reset in between levels
IE is there any reason to hold the same one for more than one level Ć
static wadi
@plucky shoal when u equip god trinket u can see 1 charhe on it
also when u use it - all other boons from this god still will be increased rarity if u keep this trinket
deep pivot
If you keep the keepsake after depleting the charge, you get increased chance of higher rarity for their boons
plucky shoal
okay
that all makes sense
ty
ill start switching in between levels
usually i just use artemis for the first 3 stages then either the distant dmg bonus or lucky tooth for styx depending what kind of shape my run is in
steel flicker
https://imgur.com/Btbpt4g victory pose
carmine pecan
ick
magic canyon
anyone escape with a new save?
carmine pecan
no
brisk trail
Don't hate 'cause Zag wants to dab.
magic canyon
flex
carmine pecan
how
magic canyon
boons tho
magic canyon
are you able to meet every god from the start?
carmine pecan
yes
magic canyon
wtf
carmine pecan
except demeter
magic canyon
so i just got super vanilla gods for a long time?
brisk trail
I'm not 100% sure.
carmine pecan
super vanilla?
brisk trail
Oh, first run? No.
carmine pecan
theres mods for this game?
brisk trail
Aphro, Zeus, and Artemis only show up on subsequent runs.
brisk trail
errant pond
wraith cipher
yoou cant meet zeusss or demeter on the first run iirc
errant pond
Artemis is busted
brisk trail
I wouldn't say busted, but she's probably best in the game after the Weak nerf.
sharp parcel
@magic canyon it's been done
try looking for it on YT
there are no special dialogues for escaping on the 1st try
carmine pecan
f
magic canyon
ffs i need to learn boon duos and synergies instead of just only taking things that help a single thing
hallow cargo
i always get horrifically unlucky with duos
remote lily
Just use dash šØ haha
agile saddle
@random sandal The game is very much based on play style so at this point it's just play to get a feel for the levels and the way dashing works and then as you unlock the other weapons you can kind of find some that you fall into.
magic canyon
definitely don't regret not reading anything about the game before playing
agile saddle
I mean also it's kind of fun seeing boons and stuff like that whereas if you read up on everything a lot of stuff would be spoiled
jade otter
started the game with no information and immediately applied hell mode, it's been very fun
sharp parcel
welcome to hell š„ 
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jade otter
Playing it has been like playing dark souls, except there's no bonfire after you beat the boss
'cuz I can usually beat meg, just not stay alive after
sharp parcel
think of fountains as bonfires
and healing you can buy as life gems
later on you get access to an equivalent of an estus flask
though non-refillable
jade otter
Yeah, healing has been useful, but I find that it doesn't do a lot given my early part in the game
sharp parcel
oh yeah, it's an uphill battle before you pump up your mirror
jade otter
Once the daedalus hammer gave me the auto heal attack ability, that was a boon to play with
jade otter
My logic was to get 8 hits in before the enemy got two in
This was problematic when some attacks could kill in one hit, but hey, still learning
random sandal
What does this mean
Oh canāt send pics
What does it mean to gift one of these orbs using the yellow potion?
deep pivot
What orbs and what yellow option?
narrow hemlock
boons i imagine
deep pivot
Do you mean nectars?
narrow hemlock
your first gift will get you a keepsake, beyond that its just extra lines from the gods
the keepsakes from gods will boost chances of their own boons appearing
minus hermes anyway
deep pivot
Do they really boost the chances of them appearing? The description only says that the next boon will be from said god and future boons will have a higher chance of them being rare or better
But it doesnāt specify about the likehood of them appearing more
narrow hemlock
oh probably, i dont have it open LOL but yeah your very next boon will be them.
deep pivot
(Hubert best man btw)
narrow hemlock
i say chance increase because sometimes people suggest taking a god keepsake to grab their first boon to try and rng more of that god later on
deep pivot
I see. Although you can also swap to another godās keepsake between domes, thus making other godās boons available even if you havenāt bumped into them before
proud orbit
The first four gods you encounter should be the ones you keep getting offered
narrow hemlock
sometimes i go in planning to focus on one god, get completely sidetracked and... well. once i ended with ten boon of a god i hadnt planned on focusing on at all š
carmine pecan
meg is ez tho
random sandal
Great tip thanks
random sandal
Just got the spear
carmine pecan
ew