asphodel looks much better now 
#h1-discussion
little hawk
empty ferry
i dont think pressing special is a big ask
summer palm
Also... We finally had SOMETHING that encouraged stabbing people with your pointy stick.
We have four aspects, the full complement of them, no more to be added... And now nothing encourages stabbing people
summer palm
......
uncut thorn
Is a counterpoint to "if you want to attack in straight line, use bow"
frosty mountain
don't you think hades aspect encourages you to stab people?
summer palm
Or Rail, or Shield, or Bow. Just not Spear
empty ferry
nothing encourages the most basic use of the weapon, yes
the point is to make people go out of their comfort zone of w+m1
summer palm
@frosty mountain It buffs both attack and special, after you use a charge attack. So it's the closest we have, but it also works fine for throwing it away, so it doesn't actually encourage it, no
empty ferry
and actually try interesting combat mechanics
summer palm
@empty ferry That is the point for the OTHER Aspects. Not for any Zag Aspect but the Spear's
uncut thorn
What would be gained from a spear aspect that encourages stabbing?
summer palm
The Spear is the weird odd man out that makes no sense RN
uncut thorn
But why does that matter?
summer palm
@uncut thorn You would then get to actually attack if you enjoyed that
Without just being Aspect-less
lament tangle
nothing's stopping you
frosty mountain
it allows you to direct your run however you want. just because it can be used for something besides stabbing, doesn't mean we can discount it
trail stag
๐ฟ
uncut thorn
Why would you enjoy attacking with the spear and not the sword, to the point that you want a specific aspect to push for it?
summer palm
Because the Spear is different than the Sword, so they don't play the same even if you are just attacking
empty ferry
but you do get to attack anyway
no aspect is so good that it forces you to only use special
summer palm
There are even cool hammer boons just for attacking with the spear, that the sword doesn't have
frosty mountain
unlike achiles aspect that is quite clearly intended to be followed by a spin attack, hades gives you ample time to take advantage of your stab
knotty epoch
no aspect is so good that it forces you to only use special
cough poseidon cough
empty ferry
the sword has plenty attack hammers
lament tangle
when are we getting an aspect for the sword where zag can hold attack to unscrew the pommel to use as a ranged attack
and he can finally end his enemies rightly
summer palm
@empty ferry And why is there no Aspect FOR it? That's the thing, if we didn't have Guan Yu, I'd not be so upset, but we now have all the Aspects, and plenty of reasons to do everything but Attack.
uncut thorn
Technically, the spin attack is still an attack
summer palm
Yes, the sword has Attack hammers, but not the same ones, hence why I actually enjoy attacking with the spear
uncut thorn
It's not as if it's a special or a cast
summer palm
If I have to start specifying 'Base Attack and Dash Strike' it's going to take ages to type everything out
empty ferry
i really see no point in encouraging basic attack spam
uncut thorn
Wait, doesn't the sword not have any aspects that encourage attacking by your metric? If the Achilles aspect's attack boost doesn't count
deep spade
i really see no point in encouraging basic attack spam
the devs clearly disagree because flurry jab exists
summer palm
And that's fine, Suipe... But there's no reason to DISCOURAGE it so heavily by making certain nothing really supports it
deep spade
a hammer upgrade that doesn't work with any aspect besides zagreus
summer palm
Just because you don't like attacking doesn't mean there has to be no support
uncut thorn
One could argue Achilles encourages it with the attack boost, surely
deep spade
150% for the first two attacks that aren't even the third bigger damage attack
empty ferry
i would never use special if there was a basic attack aspect
summer palm
It lasts for two attacks. The basic spear combo is more than that @uncut thorn
deep spade
yes that's a great use of the bonus damage
uncut thorn
Why is your metric so specific?
Why does it have to last for the whole combo to "count"?
deep spade
i'm saying there's no point to using flurry jab with achillies because you'll lose so much damage from not being able to spin
summer palm
You said it encouraged attacking. It clearly doesn't because it doesn't actually buff the important part of your attack.
summer palm
Honestly, the people I've talked to seem to think the Achilles' best use is for Casting, and they don't use the Spear damage at all with it
empty ferry
its good that achilles buffs both, because you will run out of casts
lament tangle
if you have an ultimate spammable attack that costs nothing
you will only use that
uncut thorn
What would an ideal "spear attack" aspect be to you, that encourages gameplay beyond "hold m1"
summer palm
I didn't say I agreed with these people, just that that seems to be the only use I hear about for the Achilles
@uncut thorn Why does it need to encourage gameplay beyond that? Lazy runs are fun at times. Or, maybe you want to do a Cast run and have something reliable to fall back on and/or clear out that last little bit of health once you are out of stones
There are multiple reasons to want to just attack
deep spade
saying that spear attack focused runs are about holding m1 is both reductive and wrong
at the very least, you have to admit that being closer to the enemy means you need to dodge more
uncut thorn
You have your special
summer palm
Actually, pre this patch there was even one guy giving feedback on how helpful the Flurry upgrades are for his hand issues, so he can still enjoy the game as well
dull cargo
just a style i think
uncut thorn
The spear has the least interesting basic attack out of all the weapons, so it makes sense that they don't focus on it
lament tangle
you're always dodging
summer palm
...Who says it's the least interesting, Lumsel?
I'd say it's visually the most interesting
lament tangle
having to dodge more means nothing
uncut thorn
In terms of gameplay, though
deep spade
so you'll always have gameplay beyond "hold m1" no matter what changes are made, right?
uncut thorn
I mean, I guess the Shield's basic attack is less interesting
But guess what? There aren't any aspects for that either
summer palm
The DR of Zagreus Aspect works for everything Shield. The Special bonus of the Spear's Zagreus Aspect can't say the same. Also, we don't have the Fourth Shield Aspect, so that might end up being FOR that
deep spade
so you have to admit that everyone who says that an aspect encouraging basic attacks is just encouraging holding m1 is blatantly wrong, right schum?
dull cargo
have fun guys, and be ez
summer palm
Again, if we didn't have all the Spear Aspects revealed, I'd not be so on this
uncut thorn
I highly doubt the fourth shield aspect is going to be for the basic attack
summer palm
But now that we have the last one, it's either speak up now or abandon the favorite part of my favorite weapon
uncut thorn
Do you have to abandon it?
summer palm
If I have no supporting Aspect, I don't think I'm ever making 32 Heat with it. And that's assuming 32 stays as the top reward level.
uncut thorn
I admit some of what I've been saying has been reductive, but even without a buff that encourages it, the spear's basic attack is still useful and reliable
summer palm
I don't think asking for some Attack support is even all that out of line, Lumsel. Clearly they were willing to add it, but now it's gone because people just want to Special
uncut thorn
Hades aspect is the attack support
summer palm
At the end of the day, is it a negative if we get Attack support?
summer palm
Honestly, if they add the 10 flat damage back to Zag Aspect, and maybe also extend it to the Special, then I'd be down with that at least. At least it'd be something saying 'Hey, you've got an attack, you can use it and actually have an Aspect helping you'
I'm not asking for a miracle here, I just loved what they had finally done, and now it's gone
uncut thorn
I guess I just don't understand what it is you like that much about the spear attack
deep spade
we've got 3 aspects of the spear that just straight up don't work with flurry jab: achilles, hades, and guan yu
and the zag aspect with no attack support
summer palm
Do you have to understand, Lumsel?
uncut thorn
I get the flurry jab argument a lot better
lament tangle
Not getting carpal tunnel is its own reward
summer palm
The fact that I do like Spear Attack, and there's not really support for it, should be enough to say 'Hey, maybe this needs support'
Considering someone is already making the Flurry Jab argument, I don't see a need to reiterate it
I don't disagree with the Flurry Jab argument, but also why repeat it?
I'm also rather unclear as to who wanted the range, specficially, on the Special. ...Do you want to be aiming blindly at things offscreen? The range on the Special is already huge
Just not clear where that applies. Does it affect the Explosive Launcher radius and I never noticed?
rustic blaze
Has anyone experienced Rare Crop not working for boons with upgraded lvls?
rustic cedar
I have one question - do the poison antidote shrines in the Temple seem less visible now, when you're poisoned, to anyone else?
rustic blaze
The poison shrines seem harder to get to especially spamming dash atm
summer palm
Yes. Mostly when the room already has a beam of light.
stone aspen
will taking cyclops jerky while already having cyclops jerky select override it, stack with it, or do nothing?
summer palm
They stack over the top of each other, but keep separate countdowns
So you can't extend the duration, but you can get even more effectiveness
stone aspen
neat ty
summer palm
It's a fun run to try it out with a maxed Charon keepsake and just buy all of them that you see
Similar tactic works for fun cast runs
rustic cedar
Thanks guys. Thought I was too tired to notice the shrines or too bad at the game. ๐
bitter jewel
Speaking of poison, whoever made it that you don't take poison damage when accepting a boon deserves some praise. Accidentially spam clicked a boon reward while trying to dash to a cure and was relieved that I didn't get murdered in the boon select
summer palm
Nah, Styx is just a bit... Off with the visuals. They're working on it back and forth, everything from Poison effect visuals to making the shrines clearer to the eye
rustic cedar
I noticed some weird visual effects as well, like with Ares's Blade Rifts. I'd picked Demeter's call, and that mixed with Ares's Blade Rifts made for some ginormous shiny rifts.
rustic blaze
Try it with Guan Yu spin attack, it's really blinding but amusing at the same time
gray sage
Guan Yu is really fun aspect. I wonder if next 4-tier aspects will be as intricate as it
marble sphinx
one thing i noticed in styx is that it's really hard to see the targeting of the bothers if you have aoe effects
festive fog especially
unique river
4th aspects should be high risk high reward, like guan yu
rustic cedar
So with Guan Yu I suppose you either build for a pure glass cannon or try to mitigate the life loss by taking life total upgrades?
unique river
maybe not life total, but life replenish
but yeah it definitely looks like more of a glass cannon build
I haven't played with it, but that's what it looks like to me
rustic cedar
I haven't unlocked it either, so sorry if it sounded like nonsense ๐ theorycrafting at the moment a bit.
unique river
nah you good, i'm literally theorycrafting as well
marble sphinx
i've taken it twice and both times i got dumpstered hard by hades
hard to reliably heal off him since his phases are so fast
brisk trail
i managed to cheese all the bosses with guan yu aspect
just hide behind pillars and charge the spinny winny
helps if u have demeter's frost blessing on it too or athenas counter
rustic cedar
How many times does Spinny Winny hit? Is it like a blade rift, i.e. the more time the enemy stays in it?
brisk trail
yeah, the frost helps them get hit more, or get hit reliably
marble sphinx
a guandao special build isn't too bad either. i used the charge special on my last build and it wrecked
brisk trail
asterius and theseus didnt even scratch me, haha
rustic cedar
So Demeter and maybe Athena could be nice for keeping enemies in place for Spinny Winny + getting lots of crits?
brisk trail
the spinning spear goes over walls and pillars
rustic cedar
brisk trail
the athena parry is for blocking melee and ranged attacks
marble sphinx
pillar cheese is pretty op against asterius especially
brisk trail
i had both run with frost and athena builds with guan yu aspect
if i time my spin to win attack correctly, as Hades/Asterius jumpts at me, I deflect the damage
is like parrying basically
marble sphinx
you had deflect on attack? so the entire spinny radius was deflecting?
marble sphinx
oh yeah that does sound good actually
marble sphinx
just stand inside the projectile and everything will get parried except AoEs, right?
brisk trail
yup
marble sphinx
get massive spin for even more cheese
brisk trail
in my Hades fight, i basically hold my spear
wait for Hades to attack, then launch my spin2win attack
and deflect his attack
takes a bit of practice, but once u memorized all the attack patterns is easy to parry Hades
hazy dagger
one less stage from the hydra?
burnt breach
Can someone explain to me the spear drama?
empty ferry
one guy was really upset there are no aspects that buff basic attacks
thats about it
empty ferry
it was a p extended argument about aspects and what they should and shouldnt be in general
burnt breach
too few people know theres modding in this game 
empty ferry
which was good
fiery pebble
I mean I dont disagree that there should be an attack buffing aspect
But
Thats what Hades's Aspect does
burnt breach
thats the spin tho
empty ferry
i and they both meant basic attack
unique river
I actually really liked the basic attack aspect before they reverted it
burnt breach
there was one?
viral rover
One could argue that all but Zagreus Aspect improve the basic attack, by virtue of increasing damage due to the Rush, Sweep, or being Guan Yu
empty ferry
there wouldnt be one unless you did something weird
fiery pebble
It makes the spin buff the attack
unique river
pretty sure Spear Zagreus aspect just added flat damage to attack and special for a really short time
fiery pebble
But it doesnt buff further spins
viral rover
They may not outright modify the jab (aside from Guan Yu's different cadence), but still
empty ferry
last patch, jovancvl
fiery pebble
So Hades Aspect is exclusively for basic attack spear builds
burnt breach
oh thats easy then I have backups of that version
I can just revert it
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
unique river
yes, Suipe, that's what I meant
empty ferry
the argument I and a few others had was that you dont want to incentivize the most basic and boring way to play a weapon
fiery pebble
If there is a weapon that lacks variety in its aspect, its shield
burnt breach
thats basic and boring to you, maybe not to others
fiery pebble
The 2 unique aspects both buff Special (which itself arguably the worst part of shield)
Nothing for bullrush or basic attacks
burnt breach
theres people who enjoy cookie clicker
fiery pebble
Buut
unique river
Chaos shield is bae tho
empty ferry
so anything that buffs basic attacks has to be quirky like achilles's
empty ferry
its not about what people enjoy
fiery pebble
Id love the fourth aspect to change things around a bit
I still think Chaos Shield is bad
empty ferry
because people enjoy playing things safe and not exploring the gameplay systems
myself included
unique river
I beat my record time with chaos shield last night
viral rover
I think the Chaos Shield is now better suited to crowd control than shotgun throws
unique river
I'm not super high heat yet or very good at the game, but I had a good build and demolished everything with it
empty ferry
if there was a spear aspect that gave flat damage to basic stabs, i would never use another
viral rover
Could work well with Bad Influence and Dio Special
marble sphinx
Well guandao does add flat damage
unique river
but it has a huge drawback
tardy apex
Don't like the new aspect on the spear myself
Cool mechanic though
Maybe I'll do that when I've fully rinsed the other weapons and aspects
empty ferry
guan yu also lowers attack speed
its a trade off aspect
marble sphinx
I like it but everytime I've taken it hades wrecks me
empty ferry
i assume all 4th ones will be like that
fiery pebble
Wait, so if you died against Hades in the previous run, he doesnt do his chiding between areas?
Neat
tardy apex
I feel like you can only make that work when you put no damage upgrades for the attack
sharp parcel
@fiery pebble how is Chaos shield bad?
tardy apex
Cause instead of healing I keep killing the enemies already lol
sharp parcel
it's the most consistent weapon in the game
fiery pebble
Thats Hestia Rail
Hestia Rail is basically a free win run with 0 boons and 0 hammers
The rest is just gravy
sharp parcel
is that so? With blue shields?
fiery pebble
Oh I dont use that heat option, not a big fan
Anyway, Chaos Shield is low damage and slow
empty ferry
you can kill blue shields with reg bullets, then hestia them
fiery pebble
Its never better than just continously bullrushing
You can do that, yeah
Or use the special
sharp parcel
you can use a cardboard cutout of Zagreus on normal and win
that's hardly an indicator of what's good
fiery pebble
I do use heat
Just not that option
I prefer cranking up enemy damage to max
And making them harder in a way that isnt "you have to hit them 2 times before you can do damage"
empty ferry
ofc you always pick the heat options that least impact you
empty ferry
i meant vis a vis blue shields
fiery pebble
I just never liked difficulty by making enemies take longer to kill
sharp parcel
see, with Chaos shield, you can max out enemy damage, enemy numbers, HP, Middle Management, blue shields, anything, really
and not break a sweat
primal whale
Ideally no one way of playing a weapon would be incentivized. I do think the passive bonus mods for the weapons are boring
fiery pebble
Yeah I somehow doubt that, you stop bullrushing to throw the low damage special
And you get smacked in the face and onehit
sharp parcel
you can dash while your shield is flying, ya know
primal whale
Bull rush needs like a 0.5 seconds of invul
sharp parcel
also, block blocks 100% of damage
sharp parcel
and then you dash
fiery pebble
And your special does have an animation to it
And Dash has frames in which you can be hit between
Also the whole "only 2 dashes in a row" thing
sharp parcel
it does, your main shield is just not highlighted
fiery pebble
Much riskier than just holding the attack button over and over
sharp parcel
but you can see when it returned when it appears on Zag's model
fiery pebble
I meant you have to go through an animation before you can act
Anyway, Hestia can handle blue shields fine as well
It just makes the run slower and more tedious
sharp parcel
you mean like Hestia's reload animation?
fiery pebble
You can reload mid-dash
sharp parcel
you can throw the shield mid bull rush
I'll concede that Chaos relies on the special boon
Hestia doesn't need an attack boon at all
south zodiac
hmm now that the first major update is out, is there a actual ending to the game or still nah?
fiery pebble
Its also not, yeah
Its the first since steam, I guess
But weve had 8 or so before
sharp parcel
damn Steam, keeps killing me
empty ferry
i think they will add the ending on full release
south zodiac
oof, i finished the game on the hardest difficulty a few times already. gonna restart my save over once more and do it agane
sharp parcel
whaaat?
fiery pebble
Anyway, theyre planning to get the gameplay in place first
sharp parcel
you don't have to restart your save!
fiery pebble
Then add the ending
sharp parcel
that's crazy talk
empty ferry
do you not use heat?
south zodiac
i prefer to do a full swipe, feels better that way. somehow each time i reset my save. i feel like i learn something new
of course i use heat
empty ferry
youve beaten it on 45 heat multiple times?
south zodiac
how are y'all enjoying the recent major update patch btw? is it satisfactory?
a few times yeah
fiery pebble
I like it, new spear aspect is fun
south zodiac
haven't touched the game yet since the major update so i hope it's good ๐
fiery pebble
Demeter is cool
static wadi
but we didnt expect this
feral hornet
The fury of Olympus
chrome maple
hello. does anyone know if hades will get a switch release?
static wadi
@chrome maple good story
empty ferry
probably the everything
tight idol
Imo it just feels great to play moment to moment. Everything feels polished. It's quick, little downtime, but not stressful
empty ferry
every single aspect is just individually very good and polished
chrome maple
is it a classic roguelike? the die try again thing?
empty ferry
ye
chrome maple
okay... i would love this game on the switch... i dont have much time infrint of computer :/
south zodiac
i just wish it not that cheesy at the ending thou
empty ferry
the initial playerbase was people that were fans of their previous games, SGG have a reputation for quality at this point
south zodiac
literally just Pops u back in without any real satisfaction of beating that final boss
๐ข
empty ferry
gotta wait for release for the ending
south zodiac
i know.
chrome maple
@empty ferry i played both of there gameso nt he switch and i loved themm
empty ferry
this one is similarly good
tight idol
Depends how "classic" you think by "classic" @chrome maple. There's perma-death, but there's plenty of persistent progression. And it's not really a real "roguelike" in the original sense of turn-based, ASCI graphics, no persistent progression etc
static wadi
@tight idol what difference between roguelike and rofuelite?
empty ferry
roguelikes are top down turn based RPGs without permanent progression
static wadi
@uncut thorn yup they said it
static wadi
i didnt play it
tight idol
Okay sorry ๐
uncut thorn
I contend that "roguelite" is an awful term because it sounds extremely similar to "roguelike" when spoken aloud
You have to say it like "rogueliTe" which feels awful and clunky
empty ferry
rogue-lites are games that borrow some aspects of Rogue, such as permadeath and procedurally generated levels
tight idol
That may be true, but roguelike becomes pretty useless if it covers both traditional roguelikes and the modern roguelites, imo @uncut thorn
uncut thorn
I think "traditional roguelike" and "modern roguelike" work well enough as terms
tight idol
Not worse than a lot of other genre names, I guess
static wadi
omg Zagreus Hymn is something
lean ferry
yeah it sure is
poor guillable orpheus
static wadi
also it's a good joke about myth variations
uncut thorn
maybe "berlin roguelike" and "arcade roguelike"
lean ferry
speaking of musically inclined individuals i swear that in order to make zag better at the harp is to have music playing from the hell boombox thing
static wadi
i'm pretty sure Zag's harp is just another way to make Hades mad
lean ferry
im gonna be slightly disappointed if the harp isnt the 6th weapon
static wadi
Imagine listening all this awful sounds while u are working
lean ferry
i mean my zag is getting pretty good at it
static wadi
not mine
lean ferry
he only ever seems to improve once i start playing some music before i get him to practice
modern garnet
Harp aspect where it's a big rectangle 80s boom box on his shoulder
lean ferry
i can totally see it
static wadi
Can i play "Doom" theme with it?
kind hedge
Hello
static wadi
hi
kind hedge
Was wondering, sometimes when you hit one of them walls that drop stones and such
gold comes out of them.
I been trying to figure out how to tell them apart from walls that dont have gold in them
empty ferry
i dont think walls ever do that
kind hedge
I can't see any difference in which wall/trapwall would drop gold and which would not
static wadi
afaik it's only in Asphodel and only while combat
lean ferry
maybe the dropped stones hit a gold urn?
empty ferry
its likely the falling wall just hit an urn
kind hedge
no, cause urn has 1 pile of gold
vale kite
kind hedge
when wall die, has like 10 piles
static wadi
nono some columns in asphodel gives a gold
with golden skulls
but only while battle
and not all
just some first
kind hedge
I figured 'look for gold skulls', but all of em have gold skulls
Also, I don't think its only during combat
I usually kill all the walls after the level ends to try and look for gold
some have it some don't ๐ค
Unless I am severely mistaken. I do play the game late at night once I come from work and usually end up falling asleep in lava.
static wadi
are u still unavaliable get to "everything room"?
burnt breach
hmm
last time I tried to just make the dev's test room accessible
but I didnt try to make one myself
@static wadi what would you need in a test room?
static wadi
well i wanted to mix some boons and hammer upgrades to see how do they work
burnt breach
so a bunch of boons and hammers?
static wadi
something like Skelly room but with Hammer and boon upgrades
burnt breach
I'll see what I can do, sounds interesting
static wadi
i believe in you
empty ferry
you'd need multiple skellies to test aoe/bouncing boons
brisk trail
Make it a conga line
static wadi
i have oblivion and i do not called so
worthy cairn
Omg they brought back support fire
brisk trail
what is the interaction between chaos shield and demeter special
it seems only 1 shield affected by chill
unique river
does it? I tried demeter special on the bow and it applied chill for all the projectiles
brisk trail
maybe visual bug
gritty pelican
when i had chill on chaos special it seemed to work for all shields
barren owl
I just watchted the trailer on youtube for the new hades update. And 
at 0.28 the picture for guan yu aspect is just the picture for spin attack. I think they forgot to change it.
lean ferry
oh my
static wadi
and is it still random boons?
burnt breach
only dio right now but it shouldnt be too hard to make it random
static wadi
well it's ok i can try to play with rng
gritty pelican
A modded run with all boons at heroic rarity and max level is required
burnt breach
@static wadi ok I got this : can spawn a random boon(hammer included) and clear all boons
static wadi
@burnt breach 
and god is random?
burnt breach
yeah random god boon
static wadi
one or more?
burnt breach
one by one
static wadi
aaaand trinket will work?
burnt breach
trinket?
static wadi
keepsakes
burnt breach
you mean keepsake?
lean ferry
just beat than 48-6 in elysium
oh boy
burnt breach
@static wadi Im going out now, I'll continue later
static wadi
i shall wait u
potent gyro
I was using Coronacht, and I noticed that support fire doesn't when you hit with special unless more than one arrow hits a target. I think this should get reworked so that every arrow of the special that hits, nets you one support arrow.
potent gyro
I also had a pretty bizarre situation with the dash attack chaos boon. I got the same one twice, thinking it would stack, but instead, one replaced the other. I think that either it shouldn't show up after you get it once, or it should stack
static wadi
it stack
potent gyro
It didn't
static wadi
why do u think so
gritty pelican
Chaos boons normally stack
potent gyro
Because I had 75% bonus from one, then I got an 80% bonus from the second. But, after the time period ended, I only had one chaos boon
static wadi
@potent gyro it's kinda visual bug
u cant see it
i had same
when i had 2-3 same boons
potent gyro
Gotcha. Well, I think the devs should fix that
potent gyro
Confused me
potent gyro
Seeing it at the end screen is kinda pointless lol
I feel seeing it during the run is more important
Maybe they should have like a number next to the chaos boon indicating how many stacks of it you have?
idk
carmine pecan
aspect of guan yu heals?
static wadi
spin attack yes
carmine pecan
ok
static wadi
but it reduces all ur hp and other healing source
i wonder how it works with Healing pact stuff
carmine pecan
that attqack deals massive damage
gritty pelican
Yeah but all it's normal attacks feel so sluggish
brisk trail
does demeter-dio combo nullify dio legendary?
brittle iris
so i bought a guaranteed infernal trove
and it spawned a 125 health trove
i was thinking it would be okay, i can take a few hits
until 10 giant rats spawned in a tiny room
static wadi
yeah i remeber this@brittle iris
brittle iris
oh yeah didnt mention they were all elites
fallen bramble
I don't quite understand when I've caught fish
brittle iris
ah yes, the perfect trade from the broker
my precious 1 ambrosia i got from beating the game again for 500 darkness
brittle iris
id rather spend it on titans blood
also says next update will have a new main weapon, so no reason not to save blood
static wadi
is it confirmed?
proper zodiac
im tryna draw my interpretation of nyx and man
im struggerling doug
brittle iris
it should be confirmed
after beating the game, it says that on the window that pops up
static wadi
and u mean window after respawn?
brittle iris
yea
fallen bramble
@static wadi thanks, that should be easy enough ๐
static wadi
gl fisning
carmine pecan
what is best boon out of the gods besides like chaos hermes and like demeter cuz i cant get em yet
quaint bluff
so i havent played in about 2 months and i came back and my save file is gone... did they wipe saves?
static wadi
@carmine pecan if i play Chiron for example i search for Aphro attack and Ares or Dio special with Duo
and if i play Rail i may seek Zeus/Dio attack
and something to complete Status
carmine pecan
rail is hard to stop ranged stuff for me
melee is ez cuz i just run away and use special 500 times
brittle iris
aphrodite call is insane
static wadi
i didnt understand u
quaint bluff
Ugg it looks like i lost all my progress some how... o well guess its time to start the grind over.
static wadi
@quaint bluff mb ask #h1-tech-support
brittle iris
nothing better than cancelling a boss's attack
edgy glade
How does Delta Chamber interact with hestia aspect on the rail?
static wadi
@edgy glade only for 1st shot
edgy glade
gotcha
feral hornet
update hype
brittle iris
im interested in what the next weapon will be
ruby zenith
Iโve heard speculation on here that it might be a scythe
ruby zenith
Which would be interesting
little eagle
jolly haven
@static wadi first shot as in first shot in a burst or first shot after you fire it forever ๐ค
or are you allowed to reload despite infinite ammo?
static wadi
@jolly haven 1st of three
carmine pecan
damn my usage of the rail
jolly haven
oh, that sounds amazing
static wadi
@jolly haven not rly
shrewd veldt
New shield 
carmine pecan
does dusa give anything when u give necter
static wadi
@carmine pecan 5th companion
lean ferry
also that
carmine pecan
the rock roller
empty ferry
Sisyphus
carmine pecan
yup the tartarus guy
steel mortar
after awhile, though
initially gifting nectar gives a keepsake that multiplies environmental damage to enemies, not too useful imo
carmine pecan
sword has no long range 
empty ferry
unless you get that one hammer upgrade or use casts
viral rover
If you gift Sisyphus some Nectar you get the Shattered Shackle keepsake, and if you give him enough then eventually you get the quest to get Shady, the legendary keepsake
exotic geyser
Try to avoid spoiling more secret unlocks please?
There's another channel for that.
jolly haven
I love everything about demeter and the new weapon aspect, this patch is amazing
static wadi
@inland ermine u mean legendary keepsakes?
exotic geyser
Spoiler it please.
static wadi
i wrote info in spoiler Channel
inland ermine
fuq
static wadi
i thought u already tried to kill last boss
carmine pecan
im bad bro
brittle iris
i dont like shield that much tbh
static wadi
@carmine pecan last boss name is a spoiler here
carmine pecan
oh
static wadi
Shield is strong
exotic geyser
Shield is strong.
static wadi
only weapon i made 16 heat
exotic geyser
I don't like bull rush
carmine pecan
i mostly use bull rush
static wadi
@carmine pecan just do Chaos aspect
brittle iris
just need to pray to rngesus i get triple bomb on rail
static wadi
u play with Special rail?
brittle iris
rip
static wadi
toasty
static wadi
wdym
gloomy rover
Hello I'm new here, do I need to make a new game to get the new update?
deft gull
nope
static wadi
@gloomy rover no
carmine pecan
no
gloomy rover
Thanks
carmine pecan
u wont even recieve anything from new update i think
static wadi
all new content avaliable on old save
carmine pecan
if ur a new player i mean
deft gull
it'll even update if you saved mid-run.
(and then you can totally screw yourself over with new things you have no clue how to use)
gloomy rover
I already played and ''beated'' the game I just didn't know and didn't find the answer anywhere thank you for taking the time to answer.
carmine pecan
LOL
i am just wave dashing rn
damn i killed her by using posiedon dash
oh hermes boon time
ew his boons kinda natty
omg i hate the boats i keep trying to go in there and i take massive damage as a result
brittle hamlet
yeahhhh asphodel is not my favorite biome ever
knocking things INTO the lava almost makes up for it though
sage scarab
hi i was wondering if the game is locked at 60fps or if theres a way to get 144 frames
carmine pecan
what is best aspect for shield of chaos
viral rover
I prefer the Chaos Aspect, however the Zeus Aspect does have its own little moments of hilarity
analog elbow
@sick tree the shield is meant for you to do damage by slamming enemies into walls. Have you taken that into consideration?
odd spire
Its fine
carmine pecan
oh u could choose nvm
odd spire
Its a rougelike part of the fun is experimentinh and messing around
Atleast in my mind
lavish furnace
Hello everyone, i'd like to ask what is the best build for aspect of guan yu?
mental sleet
I mean we have to somehow came up with a mechanics so that we can reuse blood ala darkness
static wadi
@mental sleet no
mental sleet
I am filled with bad ideas after all
static wadi
or we will have situation every run i need 16 blood to max any weapon
so why do i need more
mental sleet
maybe we can clense and get the blood back at a massive cost then?
rotund finch
@lavish furnace For Guan Yu I do a spin to win build, getting either/both of the spin attack hammer boons and deadly strike for big damage, I've also been getting demeters cast a lot, and the duo for it, which let's me really control my spacing away from enemies and just spam the charge attack
static wadi
@mental sleet still no much sense
mental sleet
damb
static wadi
u will have enough blood anyway
mental sleet
this is why I am not a game developer
static wadi
after doing constant runs
knotty epoch
you could just earn more blood
static wadi
@mental sleet u still have 4 ways to earn blood
knotty epoch
it's not like you can have a blood limit like darkness does
static wadi
is it nit enough
mental sleet
well for once I only have 12 hours in this game as of yet
odd spire
Ye dw about it
mental sleet
Maybe once I spend the next month playing it constantly and rack up 3 figures of hours I might start getting brighter ideas
static wadi
@mental sleet u will do it later
knotty epoch
if you don't leave the room when you make a mistake when purchasing something, you can usually just exit to main menu and reload and you'll reset to the last room state you were in
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fun fact: you can actually extend that to the first room of the game where you actually fight to test out aspects
static wadi
@knotty epoch also it may help when u swap to wrong trinket
sage tree
@subtle knoll [moving to on topic channel oops] its just pretty disheartening to get downvote spammed so damn hard for giving by all acounts well considered and measured feedback, I just want the game to feel like run success depends as much on my skill rather than the RNG at as high a difficulty as is feasable, Im not complaining about the much more intense Elysium enemies because with skill in building properly and playing propely combined those can probably be accounted for by playing better than I currently do, however from my estimation Louts just kinda arnt like that as they are, and they dont hรกve to be like this, so I want to see how tartarus feels with adjustments as small as knocking down their dmg by 1
static wadi
@sage tree skill also means u can handle rng
sage tree
no it doesnt?
mental sleet
it somewhat does?
sage tree
what
static wadi
in some case
sage tree
no
mental sleet
I mean
knotty epoch
How do you know they're spamming and it's not actually just their opinion?
subtle knoll
to certain extent it does but i havent read it fully sec
mental sleet
if you are just relying on the boons to carry you through the game then you are doing it wrong imo
sage tree
@knotty epoch if something has 5 downvotes in 2 minutes clicking more is just piling on, I get it you're ALL gods and I should Git Gud, just F off its bad faith negativity on feedback
static wadi
@mental sleet or u just rebuild ur way and do another run
mental sleet
you have the weapon, you have special attack, cast is relatively useless without a boon I give you that, and dodge
knotty epoch
If your immediate response to something like that is to get angry, is it actually measured feedback? Because it seems to me like you're much more intent on telling everyone they're playing the game wrong and their opinions are wrong
mental sleet
its more than enough to pass tatarus imo
subtle knoll
no, i think just most ppl don't feel like Louts are too outstandingly strong in tartarus, and i too think that, sure they are beefy and hit hard
split haven
@sage tree being able to adapt to what the game gives you is part of the skill
subtle knoll
but they have only 1 attack that is a body slam
brisk trail
I don't think I like Achilles Aspect for any Cast builds that lodge the Cast.
static wadi
louts are...hard?
mental sleet
dodge?
split haven
being able to morph and form senergies out of what the game gives you is apart of roguelikes
mental sleet
just moveout of the way?
brisk trail
Louts are definitely the most dangerous enemy in Tartarus.
static wadi
@brisk trail Dio or Ares
knotty epoch
Maybe you structured your feedback wrong, maybe that's just how they feel. But telling people to "F off" and calling them "rude ass" isn't very constructive
static wadi
or even Demeter
brisk trail
I'm actually about to try Demeter.
devout plinth
I will say higher darkness makes a ton of enemies WAY easier
subtle knoll
this is what this conversation is basically
analog elbow
fishing is hard ๐ฆ
brisk trail
I mean, Styx versions of any of these in room 1 Erebus are hard.
sage tree
@knotty epoch my dude please read my tone in more good faith; yes I get frustrated bc I make mistakes and the game punishes them, but I also get frustrated bc theres actuall RNG making or breaking runs in ways beyond my control at my current and estimated maximum skill level; ive over 200 runs Ive been practicing but Im just giving feedback from my perspective and being honest about what that perspective is
analog elbow
it's good that the game punishes you, try to learn and not make them
analog elbow
i was stepping on traps and getting insta-gibbed in my high heat runs, on 800%, and I learned to play around them
mental sleet
my dude should come to rainbow six siege you are gonna have a laugh lmao
your ass get spawnpeeked literally out of spawn sometimes
knotty epoch
Why should I be reading your tone in good faith when it's clearly antagonistic? You can be frustrated, and it can be annoying that people don't agree with you, but that's no reason to come off the way you are :/
mental sleet
the only way to get through and adapt and learn
sick tree
@keen roost - Since I was talking about the Special: No, I hadn't considered that, because it doesn't have a knock-back effect, only the standard attack does
subtle knoll
look, i dont know how many hours you have in this game and i dont even want you to tell us the number, you might just need some time and practice and thats all. ppl reading and writing in the feedback channel have a lot of experience probably and dont have difficulities with louts, dont be sad/offended or whatever you feel about your comment being downvoted
sage tree
@split haven To en extent, but theres already such a wide breath of RNG in getting "good" or "less good" room rewards early on, I just genuinely feel like its dishonest to suggest enemy balance and further RNG as a result of that is beyond measuring and adjusting at this point
mental sleet
I have 12 hours in? It's fine imo?
analog elbow
@sage tree that's why they implemented the room reroll system
mental sleet
got 4 blood vials from tatarus and 2 diamonds
analog elbow
so you can force some builds to some degree
static wadi
@analog elbow aaaand god trinkets
brisk trail
I'm glad someone is finding the Spear very good, at least.
static wadi
to force ur build
analog elbow
^
knotty epoch
The reason they seem to be frustrated is because the feedback says at max heat buff at the very end, but maybe people have missed that?
sage tree
@knotty epoch "clearly antagonistic" ffs read everything Ive typed in all channells and explain to me how Im at all more antagonistic than 10+ downvotes
split haven
even if you don't get boons/or good rewards, you still get gold, contractor upgrades, fated authroities, ect. these are to help you control the RNG which is also apart of the skill set. no-one is suggesting further RNG, and balance is always important. it's a roguelike, even if the run isn't good, at least you've got something ro do when you're home.
mental sleet
@brisk trail how to spear by me:
Athena special
special only
congrats you are now backstab machine with sometimes crit
knotty epoch
10 downvotes is 10 different people simply disagreeing?
None of that is mean or rude
analog elbow
@sage tree you're taking the downvotes too personal m8. You shared your opinions and people simply dislike it, that's it.
knotty epoch
That's like the entire point of the feedback channel too? To see who agrees or disagrees with what
sage tree
@analog elbow not wahts going on at all, just move on
analog elbow
lol
mental sleet
wait not athena artemis im dumb
analog elbow
@sage tree i'd hate to have your general mindset friend, best of luck with things
subtle knoll
look im not continuing this conversation, ive explained plenty times not agreeing is not out of rudeness, if you are still offended and want to argue about it you probably just want to be mad and argue about it, peace, im out
viral rover
No I think that Athena on Spear Special is a perfectly good idea, get the Exposed condition and you've got quick synergy especially with vicious skewer
static wadi
it's ok to have a opinion and share it
Same ok to agree or disagree
Just dont take it close to ur heart
mental sleet
Artemis + Athena spear throw :whomst:
brisk trail
So that's been fixed entirely, briefly proc'd only when you actually reflected an attack during a dash.
But Exposed used to have much higher multipliers.
I've seen 2, 3, and 4k crits from backstabs with Blinding Flash.
static wadi
@brisk trail mb it was Riposte?
brisk trail
Brilliant Riposte, increased Deflect damage, has been buffed recently, I think.
crystal plume
I hope they add Hades to extreme measures one day
sage tree
If your immediate response to something like that is to get angry, is it actually measured feedback? Because it seems to me like you're much more intent on telling everyone they're playing the game wrong and their opinions are wrong
@knotty epoch wait I missed this comment how am I in รกny way telling ppl theyre playing wrong thats just absurd?
analog elbow
they very well might considering the updates @crystal plume
brisk trail
Can we please move on from this? Or take it to DMs?
crystal plume
I still think Hades is the most difficult fight in the game
analog elbow
oh without a doubt, yea
brisk trail
Max forced overtime Final Boss is a legit hard fight on itโs own lol
It is. The three prior bosses are all build checks, but if you don't have everything squared away, last boss will still eat you alive.
sage tree
Maybe you structured your feedback wrong, maybe that's just how they feel. But telling people to "F off" and calling them "rude ass" isn't very constructive
@knotty epoch also I structured my feedback with extreme care and information density, trust me I know what I communicate you're just not getting my tone in any way at a fair lvl and staring blind at the percieved anger
crystal plume
Demeter was a really good addition to the game
brisk trail
Also, that's technically a spoiler, guys.
analog elbow
@brisk trail yea, he hits really hard
brisk trail
Oops hold up
subtle knoll
@knotty epoch dont respond
crystal plume
Sorry
subtle knoll
i was right he just wants to argue
static wadi
static wadi
@halcyon cypress they looks like Dio followers
brisk trail
Anyone notice that Louts, Thugs, and Sisyphus all share the same hairstyle?
analog elbow
@static wadi they do!
halcyon cypress
A little bit yeah
static wadi
@brisk trail Aincent greek hairstyle Hercules
brisk trail
...Nobody point that out to Hades.
remote lily
It's top one Prince Z
viral rover
There's only so many barbers in the Underworld
static wadi
btw we are lucky Zeus took Hercules on olympus
viral rover
Especially on Tartarus
brisk trail
Zagreus's barber is half-Japanese.
halcyon cypress
Is he?
brisk trail
He's totally got anime hair.
static wadi
Same as Tomatos 90% anime Character
halcyon cypress
Feels more edgy teen
viral rover
He has got Anime Protagonist Hair...
halcyon cypress
"Im gonna run away Dad and u cant stop me" phase
viral rover
It's either a bright colour or black as pitch
sage tree
@subtle knoll rude, I just want to give measured feedback without getting dogpiled by ppl who "disagree" but are too immature to realize their disagreeing with an appearntly rather unpopular opinions doesnt need to be reiterated more than a handful of times out of basic respect for a positive environment to express opinions ~~~~
crystal plume
Dude just drop it
crystal plume
Thanatos is best boi honestly
halcyon cypress
Medusa best girl
static wadi
@crystal plume Disagree
halcyon cypress
Super dere
deft gull
Not all designs need to appeal to you personally
static wadi
Cerberus is triple best boy
brisk trail
He is pretty pure White Haired Pretty Boy...
halcyon cypress
Cerberus is the goodest of bois
vernal wagon
we have a dog with three heads to pet
subtle knoll
gznm has it all figued out
viral rover
Cerberus is 300% good boi
brisk trail
They only let us pet one, though.
deft gull
Except I can't pet him while I have nectar...
knotty epoch
y'all know how Zag has a Cerb skull on his shoulder? Where did he get that ๐
subtle knoll
Cait typing oh boy something is coming
static wadi
Cerberus is 300% so it Critically best boy
viral rover
He made it out of plasticine, Penguins!
chilly stump
Nothing bad! But it is time to let the disagreement go or take it to DMs.
crystal plume
halcyon cypress
deft gull
omg. I love that emote
crystal plume
deft gull
static wadi
"You have been noticed"
viral rover
subtle knoll
halcyon cypress
subtle knoll
wow i havent seen this one
vernal wagon
so we all agree cerberus is best boi, right? right? Ya'll heard Caitlin ๐
knotty epoch
slightly disappointed it's not called :thank:
viral rover
Scientifically proven to be the best boi
brisk trail
I've got a Thane (from Mass Effect 2) thinking emote on Twitch and someone said he was thanking.
chilly stump
I do feel a little bad for not catching it immediately, but then I think about how frustrating it would be to search :think: and not have all the options come up together.
viral rover
Thinkatos?
brisk trail
Yeah thatโs fair enough
knotty epoch
that's a good reason not to; i just like the wordplay 
crystal plume
viral rover
Sense Vs puns, the eternal conflict
static wadi
if Cerberus has 3 head why did he voice by only 2 dogs?
crystal plume
So does everyone think Demeter was a great addition to the game cause I sure do I don't really like the call tho
viral rover
One head is a quiet boyo
brisk trail
I wish the Call followed you.
static wadi
@viral rover Strong silent type
viral rover
Precisely
chilly stump
Cerb was only voiced by one dog originally @static wadi ! Maybe we'll have a third illustrious voice actor in sometime if we need more Cerberus sounds. ๐
crystal plume
That's awesome
brisk trail
๐
knotty epoch
Can the third just be one of you guys going "woof"
static wadi
@chilly stump i heard it's 2 dogs no?
halcyon cypress
chilly stump
Cerberus has two dog voices now, yeah. We had a second dog in to record lines a few months after we initially launched, I believe.
brisk trail
The ultimate easter egg
chilly stump
"Record lines" I say.
viral rover
"Awoo into a microphone" more like
knotty epoch
Do you have to get a dog into a sound booth for those?
vernal wagon
I would pay to see a behind the scenes of you recording a dog's sounds for cerberus
chilly stump
Both Solo and Higgins came into our sound booth for a day yes. ๐
brisk trail
This is why we paid for Early Access.
chilly stump
I think there's some in one of our NoClip episodes??
It's been so long.
Probably in the first or second episode, we definitely have footage of it.
.........all of you left to go find it huh.
brisk trail
Probably.
chilly stump
๐
viral rover
Nah, I'm waiting for the concert tonight
static wadi
i just wait someone share it here
subtle knoll
we need pictures of the doggos and proof that they are head patted a proper amount every day!
brisk trail
Like when a professor turns around and finds the class emptied.
viral rover
So I can't search for it.... Yet...
chilly stump
Basically Darren is trying to get specific moods or sounds, and someone is in the booth with the dog and playing tug or offering treats or giving commands.
brisk trail
God, I forgot he does all the sound.
silk ice
How do you gain the ability to type in the feedback channel?
chilly stump
Oh trust me, Solo and Higgins are very beloved dogs that belong (belonged, in Higgins case 
) to team members.
brisk trail
Check the pinned messages, it will have rules and instructions.
chilly stump
Check pins there Walrus. ๐
silk ice
Thank you
brisk trail
Oh no, Iโm afraid to ask what happened to higgins
static wadi
F
chilly stump
No no, he passed but nothing bad happened.
He had a very joyful and loved life. ๐
brisk trail
Still sad to hear, nonetheless glad he\she was ok
chilly stump
And he's in Hades now so when you pet Cerberus you can think of Higgins. 
viral rover
F in the chat for Higgins, chasing Numbskulls and frolicing in the beyond now
viral rover
Certified good boy, signed stamped and officiated
brisk trail
..........You guys are gonna make me start crying.
viral rover
static wadi
@brisk trail invisible ninjas in ur room choping invisible onion
with invisible knives
viral rover
They stalk you, waiting for the chance to take revenge....
static wadi
it special ninja onion
brisk trail
That or Hades specifically gave you those that he cursed himself
viral rover
Make an example of onions to them, slice them all and use them in everything you cook!
finite lichen
Dramatic audiobook of patch notes is the nerdiest thing I've ever seen a game studio do and I love it
viral rover
Same, TGDM!
brisk trail
How do people feel about the ability to reroll a hammer upgrade?
I personally like it, if at great cost.
viral rover
If I had a genie, having my internal monologue narrated in one of Logan's voices would make work go so much better
static wadi
@brisk trail y sometimes y desperetly want this Special arrow chiron upgrade
finite lichen
I can picture Logan doing Morgan Freeman style narrations for movies and stuff easily too
brisk trail
I've had plenty of times where almost immediately after picking up a hammer I get a game winner... On a different option that I skipped.
viral rover
I don't think hammer upgrades should be re rolled, but maybe available to purge? Though that would make more sense if hammers were replaced by Hephaestus
finite lichen
Some hammer upgrades just hurt so bad... Like the bow one that makes your special a charged shot when you're using the bow that has less shots but they home on an attack-marked target
brisk trail
Sometimes Iโll roll the second hammer if I donโt need it
finite lichen
Or the spear special becoming a charged throw
brisk trail
But itโs not common
finite lichen
It mostly hurts because the range is so gimped on no charge
And there's so little time to charge an attack
brisk trail
I thought they mitigated the no-charge range.
(I haven't picked it up since the change)
finite lichen
I played the bow before the hotfix an the spear after
Bow before was real bad, spear after was still bad
I think it'd be better if no charge started at minimum 50% range and full charge goes to like 110% or something
But I was literally throwing the spear less than my dash distance so... oof
Made that run a lot harder
brittle hamlet
so I get back from lunch and see that the major update patch notes have been fully narrated on youtube
this is next level service
heavy pendant
carmine pecan
how much thicc skin can u get?
silk ice
Is talking about certain aspects considered spoilers?
static wadi
@silk ice u can do it in gameplay channel without worries
silk ice
Okay thank you.
carmine pecan
oh alright
static wadi
disscussion is only spoiler free channel
carmine pecan
so i need 2 more levels
static wadi
@carmine pecan of what
vocal thorn
I really wish the discussion channel name actually said โno spoilers.โ I feel like this issue confuses a lot of people
static wadi
@gaunt jolt did u kill all the enemies?
shy relic
I have a question to chaos boons. If I get one boon which improves my special damage and then later another one improving special damage too, do they stack?
static wadi
fishing spot avaliable only after u kill all the enemies and take reward
gaunt jolt
I seei see
static wadi
@shy relic yes
shy relic
does it combine to one boon?
static wadi
https://prnt.sc/qrl1yl they totally do
shy relic
or do I have 2 boons with each separate damage in my boons collection
shy relic
it looks like you have 2 separate boons
static wadi
@shy relic 4
static wadi
yup the are all for Special damage
shy relic
thanks ๐ but I was in a situation like that and I didn't get the second boon.
But Zag also didn't say his "a Chaos boon evolved"
(or Chaos Curse is lifted or whatever he says)
then I checked and I had one boon with 141%
static wadi
@shy relic i think it's kinda visual bug
shy relic
so I thought the 2 boons merged to 1
static wadi
in that run
which u see in screen
i totally had the same
i must have 2 or 3 boons
but i saw only 1
another appeared later
static wadi
@shy relic report it if u still in that run
shy relic
I am not so good at the game yet (only defeated the end boss almost once) so I wonder about these things
already over ๐ฆ
right now I try to fulfill fates and collect lasting stuff like gems and nectar on my runs, more than to get the best build
static wadi
@shy relic last boss name is a spoiler
shy relic
oh I didn't know that, sorry
dusky meteor
I only just noticed that the best employee portrait now seems to rotate haha
sudden whale
Zagreus is my husbando
static wadi
no he doesnt
crystal plume
static wadi
he has Meg and Tomatos
static wadi
also he has Skelly and Bouldy