However it's a lesser known god so probably won't be Ploutos
#h1-discussion
viscid frost
wind rivet
Yeah
Its almost certainly one of the gods that was worshiped widely rather than the niche gods from some minor city
viscid frost
I'd bet on Demeter or Persephone, but you're right that since the goal of the game is to find her, probably won't be giving you boons
So my money's on Demeter
wind rivet
I think she'll be someone to fight somehow though
Demeter seems very big bad to me since shes almost certainly behind persephones disapperance
vocal thorn
My actual guess is it's either wheat/cornucopia Demeter, or laurel crown/torch Hephaestus
wind rivet
If shes not with Hades shes with Demeter
viscid frost
Won't be above the gods to give boons to their enemies.
Look, they help fight you in elysium
even though they also give you powers
Sonit demeter very well could be a villain but still helping you
wind rivet
Like maybe the cornucopia is some sort of stylized musical instrument and its apollo but I wouldnt bet on it
Demeter makes the most sense to me
vocal thorn
Like it's an awkwardly drawn lyre?
wind rivet
Yeah
vocal thorn
That would be awesome
viscid frost
Like Heracles, appolo is a hero, not a god, so not really a contender
wind rivet
What??
Apollo is one of the most important gods
He was the chief god of Delphi
One of the most sacred places of ancient greece and home of the oracle
viscid frost
oh yeah my greek knowledge is wrong
vocal thorn
It would be like the "whose that pokemon," that every once in a while, had a really bad silhouette, and was someone completely different
viscid frost
my bad
wind rivet
Understandable!
viscid frost
The thing that intrigues me the most in the design of the silhouette is the little cross above the head
wind rivet
Yeah
vocal thorn
Like it's a healing symbol, and it's Asclepius with his awkwardly drawn staff?
wind rivet
The laurel wreath and lyre are apollos biggest symbols
viscid frost
I'm trying to find out if that's a Supergiant addition or if there is somethong like it in the wide-known mythology
wind rivet
Being the god of the sun, medicine, music, prophecy and basically everything positive
vocal thorn
Well, we did somehow manage to get everyone to accept that a railgun is totes ok in a greek fantasy game, so it's not like the new god has to be a super realistic choice
viscid frost
Yeah but it need to make sense story-wise and design-wise
Allright they entirely made up the gun
But every olympian god so far has been a known figure
trim surge
Artemis worst god design-wise
wind rivet
I think the god is almost certainly an olympian
viscid frost
I thik the cornucopia and wheat design 95% lead to demeter though
trim surge
I'm writing a scathing review right now 
viscid frost
And you mentioned she's the mother of persephone
wind rivet
Yeah I agree its probably Demeter
vocal thorn
Yeah, it's like 95% demeter, and a lot of overthinking
viscid frost
She's both relevant to the story and implies a style of gameplay
Now on to the speculation: What are Demeter's boons ?
viscid frost
Maybe a boon where enemies drop money or health. Like "harvesting" your hard work
Definetly some boon where you take back your thrown projectile from enemies
wind rivet
The real question is will she call Zag nephew or grandson
trim surge
does blinding flash from Athena (attacks that deflect apply Exposed) only worth with actual ATTACKS, or do they also work with special
I know it doesn't seem to work on dash
what about cast
elfin ferry
There are story reasons in game that imply that ||Persephone is not with Demeter currently|| (aka spoilers) and it is definitely stated in game that ||none of the currently in-game gods (probably including Demeter) know that Zag is Persephone's kid.||
wind rivet
For now
wind rivet
But yeah Demeter will probably call him her nephew like her brothers do
vocal thorn
I really thought it worked with dash
elfin ferry
It's supposed to.
vocal thorn
but it applies where the dash starts
molten ridge
So I've seen some streams of this game but have been giving it time until I played it until it was closer to release. Should I start playing now or wait for the update to come out next week?
elfin ferry
Since the game is in early access, your best experiences are going to come from middle onwards in any given update's lifespan. New stuff is always great, but will unavoidably have bugs that can mar the experience. Waiting till a week or two into an update gives a chance for most bugs to be dealt with.
coarse junco
I think that ||Demeter|| is going to be the one to let Zag know that ||Persephone is NOT on Olympus and she assumes that Persephone is still in the Underworld||
viscid frost
@molten ridge Depends on what kind of experience you're looking for. For now, you can experience a full rogue-like with an end and many things to do, much story to explore, a well-polished gameplay, and try to improve your runs in many ways, but the actual story ending isn't ready yet.
coarse junco
Also, if I remember correctly, only Hermes and Chaos can actually communicate with Zagreus, correct? None of the other gods can hear what Zagreus says
viscid frost
Really ? Zag can't talk to them ? How does he even give gifts then ?
molten ridge
Yeah I'm looking for the rogue like experience and playing through the game. I guess I just didn't know how big the major updates are. Didn't know if things would be changing that much that it would just be better waiting for a week
wind rivet
Random thought but I think Adonis would be a really cool character to add to a game about the greek underworld
Since hes basically on a persphone underworld timeshare situation but between Aphrodite and Persphone instead of Hades and Demeter
mint marlin
yeah artemis has a line suggesting that she cant really hear his responce
viscid frost
@molten ridge well a big gameplay part is getting added next week, and other big things to come, but nothing is really "missing" Think of it like adding heroes in overwatch. The game is bigger and better, and when you had it you can't go back, but before it happened the game was already complete.
So up to you how much you want to wait to try
mint marlin
chaos and hermes are the only ones who communicate with zag
swift seal
Hey all, quick question
Is Athena's Fate thing bugged? Because, I have ran at least, 10+ runs with her trinket now and I cannot find the last boon.
I'm at 80 runs all together, but I can't get Divine Protection
It's literally the last thing I need.
flat vapor
are you getting brilliant riposte?
flat vapor
it's the prerequisite boon for that legendary
swift seal
Ah, ty ty. It was driving me wild.
swift seal
Cool stuff. Guess I'll do ONE MORE RUN
swift seal
Yo for real though. The Middle Management fight on Asphodel is legit harder than any of the bosses in this game.
vocal thorn
I feel like the description of Middle Management should be changed to say "doubles the number of enemies," instead of saying "+1 elite foe or other problem"
swift seal
Yeah, def. Or simply say "Makes Mini Bosses Harder" because on Asphodel - That ain't +1 enemy
vocal thorn
yeah, I forgot gorgon is still the same number of enemies, just with more abilities
swift seal
@flat vapor Thank you so much.
plucky notch
nocturne fractal
inland shell
Enemies hit by your charge attack take more damage for a duration @opaque grove
wise nebula
^
covert plover
Should Steam be constantly looping on "validating files" for Hades? o .o
night turret
Porbably not
covert plover
well, then that sucks. Thought Steam really wanted me to get a minor update for the game, but I guess it's going to repeatedly loop on that for a while. No Hades for me for... Idk when it's gonna stop. I'll look up if there's a way for it to not do that.
night turret
You'll get a major one in a week tho
covert plover
Oh, I know that. Can't wait to see ||[REDACTED]|| and get more info on ||[EXPUNGED]|| and maybe even get to see some of ||Hades' room||.
plucky shoal
@covert plover did you try checking the veracity of the files
or just reinstalling it
also hows your HDD space
Steam updates in a bizarre manner and even if a patch is only 20 megs it can take several hundred megs of HDD space, I often run into this issue with Path of Exile because it rewrites several gigs worth of data just to do a 20 meg patch
covert plover
I'll figure it out tomorrow morning or something. If it doesn't act right by then, I'll uninstall and reinstall.
plucky shoal
at least its a small game
When I tried reinstalling Destiny 2 to convert it to the Steam install I had to redl it 3 times in a row for no apparent reason
cedar anvil
You find Persphone. You learn that she left Underworld because you just couldn't get a decent meal there. You tell her that you spent all your gems on renovating the kitchen and lounge area. Persephone comes back with you. Cerberus is crazy happy. Hades smiles once when no one can see him.
empty ferry
some people will do anything for a good cuppa
wise nebula
All is explained now
vale pawn
that was figgin beatiful KD 😭 😭
modern garnet
wait what do you mean "comes back with you"
empty ferry
they mean to the underworld
inner prawn
The aim lock-on I think should be optional I think. Sometimes in groups of enemies it locks on to the target I'm not aiming at... And I just took 2 whole damage points due to it!!! ^^
empty ferry
im p sure it is optional. is aim assist in settings not that?
sharp parcel
it is indeed optional
while I prefer to fight regular enemies without it, aiming at Hydra's heads without lock on is just too big of a pain
empty ferry
height in isometric games is oof
fringe pulsar
I don't know why I can't write on feedback, still have Hades and early access, don't know if I did something wrong though
fringe pulsar
Ok, makes sense to me
trim surge
so, Artemis crit build is
actually weak in DPS since you don't have priviledged status?
I wish someone did the math
bold dome
Depends, which others are in your build?
vocal fog
Its just: CritChance x Crit Damage x Base Damage
For your average damage.
But yeah, Artemis DPS is fairly weak. Especially when you have her other boon that grants crit chance to everything.
trim surge
artemis is indeed worst girl design wise
vocal fog
This is mostly because her base damage is too low.
Her regular attack is probably the worst offender, the special is alright on some builds.
bold dome
Gotta say...as much as I like her dash, I never take it when there's another option.
vocal fog
I like her design though.
She's good support for other boons, although a "Pure Artemis" build is probably the weakest you could be (unless you're a cast build).
Artemis Dash is the strongest dash on Hestia, for example, by a large margin.
bold dome
Artemis Dash on Sword is generally good when combined with proper Hammer upgrades but having a privileged status proc or even Athena's deflect on dash is much more convenient considering how often that's utilized to reposition.
vocal fog
I only ever actually search for it when playing Hestia.
Other than that I'd agree that it's only situationally useful - Like when you have other dash attack bonuses, either from chaos or daedalus upgrades.
naive loom
I love being OP as much as the next son of Hades, but is Privileged Status just too strong?
bold dome
Yeah. :c Which is a shame. I generally enjoy building Artemis crit though, since I don't use cast builds. Always run at least two other deities at the same time though for increased damage output. Makes mowing down enemies so much faster.
vocal fog
The problem with building artemis for crit is that both Aphrodite and Athena will have higher average damage if you have Artemis's crit% on everything boon.
trim surge
okay I somewhat made my Boon list feedback
vocal fog
I don't recall the exact numbers, it's been a while, but considering same rarity boons - Athena and Aphrodite might have higher average damage even without the crits.
bold dome
That's true. I haven't encountered Aphrodite in a while though so I'm not certain what her current damage output is. :/ RNGs not loving me, I suppose.
vocal fog
It doesn't do damage, but it increases the "dash attack" damage.
ivory remnant
which is zero, right?
indigo mango
no, so, it took me legit like 30 runs to realize this
but theres a dash attack in the game
vocal fog
What? All weapons have different dash attacks, you just dash and attack while dashing.
bold dome
It adds extra damage to your attack when you use it immediately after dashing.
indigo mango
bow and rail dont right?
vocal fog
I don't recall if the bow can dash attack, but all others can.
bold dome
But the dash itself does no damage.
ivory remnant
oooh, gotcha
vocal fog
Rail can dash attack, which is why Artemis's dash is the strongest dash on Hestia.
There's no difference in animation, but you can "dash attack" with the empowered hestia shot.
indigo mango
oh, i thought i tried that and i dont remember it doing anything
ivory remnant
you can't dash while attacking with bow. One of the reasons I don't like it.
bold dome
Hammer upgrade on Sword that lets you dash attack twice makes Artemis Dash...just perfect.
red coral
Bow actually has one of the best dash attacks in the game
You get a sped-up powershot that qualifies for dash attack boosters
ivory remnant
how? Because whenever I dash, bow doesn't work.
red coral
It takes less time to charge
indigo mango
well i'll be
learning something new
you know, i really should have added that in the feedback
that the game never tells you about dash attack
ivory remnant
the more you know~
red coral
So a lot of bow players do dash->powershot->dash->powershot for their whole play style lol
indigo mango
that would be a perfect skelly tooltip
either as one of the things that pops up when you equip a weapon, or one of his "hey heres a thing" voice lines, like backstabbing, wallslamming, etc
vocal fog
It could just be one of the tutorial objectives when you pick up the weapon "do a dash attack".
indigo mango
not that the game needs to explain everything, but
vocal fog
Most weapons already have that anyway.
void nova
Yeah I think dash attack should definitely be one of the prompts in the courtyard
Took me a long time to realize it was a thing as well
That has been suggested in feedback, by myself and others I believe, so hopefully we'll see it in there soon
empty garden
So from want I read on this forum, to get Hymn of Zagreus I need to have a specific conversation with Dio, but I'm on 100+ runs and have all the requirements for this, but still missing that one. Does anyone know if this is some kind of bug? (can't give anymore nectar because the hearts are maxed out)
trim surge
Okay so here's a preview of Boon review I made https://imgur.com/olKy9vf
note that it's not about how good a boon is in a meta sense, but more about how well designed it is, if it complements other builds, if it has a unique transformative function... it's big
empty garden
Altough I don't agree with some stuff in there, it's still a nice thing to look at. Probably some of the suggestions would be overkill
trim surge
what do you think is overkill, since there are a bunch of mergers it'd actually reduce the amount of boons overall
empty garden
Hmmm, for example, Impending Doom + Dire Misfortune would be one of those cases. Clearly you can only use Dire Misfortune really well in some cases, but merging those two would be massive
wraith cedar
I haven't been by in a while - any new updates RE: Ultrawide support?
empty garden
Not yet implemented. But don't know if it is on the cards to be something implemented early
indigo mango
i like what ive read so far. i like the cooldown idea for the chaos boons instead of damage. i disagree that darkness and gems are useless though
vocal fog
I find it rather funny how Ares's cast is by far the worst cast on it's own (at least on my experience), but also by far the best if you stack several upgrades on it.
I'm rather surprised you didn't give it a "high".
trim surge
well darkness is useless once you unlock everything (only nyx trinket makes it a gameplay element) and gems is purely cosmetic, so neither have any effect on the run. At least room rewards are 5hp/20gold
true about cast, I think more boon upgrades aren't as efficient as just using poms on it 🤷♂️
trim surge
everything should tbh, vertical progression is only good as a hook
for darkness/gems/keys to have a use within the run that'd require a fundamental change
that's a whole can of worms
vocal fog
I'd agree that getting meta progression alone is extremely underwhelming.
The contractor upgrades do an OK job "fixing" part of that problem. Although from my perspective only "Keys" (fated authority) and "Nectar" (random upgrade) are actually interesting.
empty garden
The thing is that it suits a character like Poseidon. God of seas -> Sea has treasure. Somehow it fits
vocal fog
I'd be OK with that Poseidon boon if it was a merger between both of his treasure boons.
empty garden
That merger would be nice yea. The fated authorities seems like something that shouldn't be given by a god. Storywise doesn't fit. But the keys are related to other "forces", so what is now in place is nice
vocal fog
Poseidon's "Treasure" thing could also just straight up be a version of his current Dionysius duo boon.
Since as it stands it is extremely unlikely that you will ever get that duo early, because there are at least 2 requirements, and if you don't get it early it is generally not worth picking.
trim surge
again I think there needs to be an use for darkness/gems/keys in the game
-cap the base nyx mirror, add one in between floors where you upgrade for the run
-more troves/shops in regular rooms but some of them are locked and you need keys
-gems can upgrade rooms to elite to increase reward quality?
and yeah why not I feel like pom duo is very underwhelming
noted
vocal fog
Keys cease being useful fairly early, so that could potentially work.
The same is not really true for Darkness and Gems though. Especially if more upgrades using those resources are on the way.
I guess that is true for Darkness if you're on Hell. But I'm expecting that specific "Heat" thing to be changed.
trim surge
since there's always an end to upgrades that's just moving the problem
vocal fog
It's a different issue though.
While it is not fun to pick a room strictly for meta progression, it's also not all that great to actually sacrifice your meta progression in favor of a specific run.
I'd imagine you could somewhat prevent that by making the costs very low when using them midrun but even then...
trim surge
meta progression ends, I plan to be playing after I unlock everything, one is more problematic than the other
I consistently skip darkness now
empty garden
I don't have information about other roguelites, but if you make the permanent resources help you on your run, it will simply gets you advantages for your run, and I don't think that should be the case. For example, right know, with the benefits from the contractor, it's a nice way to give minor benefits to the permanent resources without being overkill
vocal fog
I mean, sure, it could be in game for that point specifically.
I'd rather it was a different solution though.
Like a merchant where you trade meta currency for temporary bonuses, outside of the actual run. Could technically be the existing one.
Although I'd also agree that it's a very weird thing to solve/work around.
trim surge
I mean that's good that they added hp/dice/coin to solve the problem but it's only a partial solution
dark/key/gems take a backseat to the actual in-run rewards
empty garden
I think that might be allowed, but if you were playing with like +20 heat. Otherwise the runs would be trivial
vocal fog
You could somewhat fix that by just merging some room types.
Increasing the Darkness HP gain and eliminating Centaur Hearts.
Increasing the Gems gold gain and eliminating gold rooms.
trim surge
base mirror is already too good thus my idea to have a weaker mirror but that can be upgraded within the run using darkness
vocal fog
I think the other meta currency rooms are on an adequate level already tbh.
trim surge
at least if dark/key/gems had a use of their own they'd be an actual pick and not just "lesser" versions of a reward
empty garden
But they're paired together, you don't see a choice between a key and a boon
trim surge
yes I know
wise nebula
Budget cut?
trim surge
still I feel like that'd be an improvement, gems is just 5 gold above a golden vase, it's almost a non-reward at this point
empty garden
For the keys, they had something like you can open a trove with 300 obols with 3 keys. That kind of stuff was nice for the meta game. But for the initial players was bad. If something like that returned, but if you had +100 runs, it would be a nice return
vocal fog
Darkness and Gem rooms definitely need change on their non meta reward.
I'm just not entirely sure on how I feel spending meta currency in run though. I'd rather this was "fixed" via a different solution.
trim surge
well you wouldn't spend meta currency in run
you would keep it for house upgrades regardless
vocal fog
Ah, I see what you mean.
Yeah, that could work.
sharp parcel
I wish Poseidon's stuff had built-in rupture
vocal fog
I'm assuming you mean that when you pick "Darkness" it goes to your meta currency pool but also to a separate in run "Darkness" pool, and the second you can spend somewhat like Obol?
trim surge
well you have your run pool based on everything you earn in-run, and then house pool that's entirely separate, everything you earned during the run you keep for house, regardless if you spent or not
either way meta progression shouldn't prime on in-game systems
vocal fog
That actually works.
But at that point I'd rather have the "in run" meta currency merged in some manner. It'd just be bad to have 5 in run currencies.
sharp parcel
why not just have paid beneficial modifiers, accessed in a manner similar to the Pact of Punishment?
they'd have various meta currency prices and levels
empty garden
But then you would have more benefits to your runs. It would simply make the runs easier. If that's the case, you need to think some other changes
trim surge
well if there's a proper use for all currencies, and thankfully the last floor is built as a giant shop so it'd solve all the issues
fast ivy
out of curiosity, how do you gain permission to provide feedback in the feedback or suggestions channel?
wise nebula
There were pin in feedback
sharp parcel
it's locked right now, until next week's patch is out
wise nebula
But now we can’t since it’s close to the new update release
fast ivy
ah, so it's not a permissions thing, it's more a timing thing
sharp parcel
bit of both
wise nebula
Both but permission is not real tight
There were pin in feed back explaining how you can get it
Well I guess we’d be able to feedback for the new update bit later
No worries
sharp parcel
I really wish meta currency rooms scaled with their difficulty though
fast ivy
Thanks for the answers. What kind of suggestions are welcome? I was gonna suggest that the transition between walking and running feels kinda abrupt or choppy.
wise nebula
Just your tots that make sense to you I think?
fast ivy
cool
trim surge
If you think the runs are too easy it'd be simple to gate some of the meta upgrades behind in-run currency:
Lock the last tier of mirror upgrades behind darkness, lock trinket swap/level behind keys or gems, lock companions behind nectar...
safe spade
Any ideas what the "expect the unexpected" part means?
vocal fog
The most unexpected thing is turning the game into an FPS, so probably that.
But also not really.
sharp parcel
for example, if you do an elite key room you should get 2 keys and 2 fated authorities; if you do an elite darkness room you should get more darkness and 10 max HP; elite gems would give 10 gems and 40 gold. It also would've been nice to have elite nectar rooms with double nectar rewards, so you'd be getting 2 boon level ups.
also, random nectars that pop out of troves don't level up your boons, unlike nectars obtained from room rewards and Dionysus' boon
trim surge
true as well, dark/key/gem rewards are so minimal you might as well always pick the non-elite choice
empty garden
Well, the meta currency you get doubles, but the run bonuses are single. I think the problem it's the values. The run rewards attached are balanced
sharp parcel
the description of renovations is also confusing, as I thought darkness/gems/nectars acquired from any source would grant me the additional drop, so I could, for example, do a darkness trove and get max HP, or do a gems trove and get some gold
but it only works on room rewards, and for nectars it works on room rewards and Dio
also, I've never seen an elite pom/heart/gold outside of Erebus and Styx
don't see why
vocal thorn
Regarding the boon review, melee attacks can be deflected, and privileged status is so powerful that every status effect besides marked is automatically super useful. And it’s ok if more than one boon enhances the same type of damage, because it allows boon stacking
sharp parcel
kinda sad when the game is practically built around PS though
especially once you turn up the heat: get 2 statuses or die
covert plover
out of curiosity, has anyone seen what the highest amount of max HP can be in a good run?
sharp parcel
I had 400+ but I skipped some elite HP Erebus gates
trim surge
aye PS is too good at 50%
oh yeah I didn't know about melee deflect I assume it was just hitstun, does that just cancel the attack?
sharp parcel
I reckon you can push it way past 500 if you get early Dio nectar boon and roll for nectars, along with picking up every heart
trim surge
melee deflect is unaffected by Brilliant riposte buff no?
sharp parcel
why wouldn't it be affected by it?
empty garden
I showed a run on #h1-builds-and-combat with ~530 HP
sharp parcel
you deflected the attack, meaning the enemy's attack damage was dealt to em, and riposte would've buffed it
trim surge
I don't know, is this how it works?
wiki says projectiles
A well timed Deflecting ability can also negate a melee attack, dealing damage to the attacker instead. oh so you just whack away at the enemy
there's no "well timed" here if you have high attack speed
sharp parcel
I don't see anything about it being exclusive to deflected projectiles
though, wiki might not be up to date on things
trim surge
I've never actually noticed it myself since you just attack enemies regardless
deflecting projectiles was obvious but melee not so much
I might revise my judgment then
sharp parcel
yeah, I only noticed it myself today when I got Athena's dash as my first boon, so I dashed through fat guys as they did their charge attack and saw deflect notification pop up
trim surge
I'm not sure what to think of it then
sharp parcel
bout what?
trim surge
deflecting melee attacks is most likely not intentional if you use deflect on your own attack
sharp parcel
huh? How can it be not intentional?
Deflect is basically Hades' version of Parry and Reflect rolled into one
trim surge
well if you just attack a lot you'll eventually deflect at random, not because you've "timed" the deflect
limpid totem
i mean yeah
sharp parcel
oh, you mean mechanically?
trim surge
even timing on dash is debatable if you have 4+ dashes
limpid totem
ive found that melee attacks are def harder to time the deflect than projectiles, with the exception of dash deflect
sharp parcel
I don't know what to tell ya, man. Been playing with maxed Forced Overtime for so long, there's no time to stand there and look for the wind up.
you stand, you get hit, you die
plus, deflecting attacks is kind of a niche thing since it's only on Athena's boons
and it requires a support net of her boons to get going
trim surge
yah I get it, there's just a disconnect between intent and effect here
sharp parcel
you know, it's like Exposed
how often do you deliberately backstab enemies?
aside from Elysium's shieldbearers
elfin kite
Forced overtime is not that bad except for 3rd boss fight
trim surge
intent is, time your attack to deflect
effect is, randomly deflect enemy attacks at times
so I will definitely revise my judgment on athena
sharp parcel
I only look at exposed as a status enabler for PS
smoky flicker
The irony lol
sharp parcel
I think Furies and Hydra are far worse with Overtime, with Hades after em, and Thes with bull dead last
Extreme Measures make Theseus an extreme cakewalk
sure, bull spins to win but you can just, you know, dash away
trim surge
well thanks for "exposing" athena
now I'm not sure if basic attack should have deflect, or if it should apply exposed directly
sharp parcel
I stopped trying to fight the clock, it's just not worth it
rotund granite
I think I know the new Olympian
sharp parcel
Tartarus is usually fine regardless, Asphodel depends on whether you get the barge or gorgon, Elysium is just an ass all the time, and Styx is an RNG fiesta
Asphodel is the wackiest one: I get barge, I end up with with 2 minutes for Hydra; I get gorgon, that's 4 minutes for Hydra. Maddening.
chilly stump
It happens Usonius! Don't worry about it. 😄
sharp parcel
yeah, people have been saying it's Demeter for a while now, based on the pose, the wreath, and the thing being held
nova rain
do you guys think they'll add a type of co-op multiplayer mode where you can play with friends?
hexed smelt
@nova rain from #hades-faq
Is Hades a multiplayer game, or are there any plans for multiplayer? Hades is a single-player game. We have no plans to add multiplayer, as we have been building the design and narrative of Hades with a solo experience in mind.
wise nebula
hard to implement so oh well
gleaming gale
yeah if you want a similar experience with multiplayer you have a few ARPGs to pick from at least
I like games designed with singleplayer in mind from the get-go; tacking on multiplayer features just for their own sake tends to degrade the overall quality I find
void nova
i don't see how it could really actively degrade the experience to add on a simple couch co-op system where a friend can assume some sort of support character, basically changing nothing about how Zag plays but just allowing a bit of cooperative fun. but, not saying that would necessarily be super easy either, i just think it'd be cool
vocal cape
viscid flicker
i was wondering what taiyaki had to do with demeter for a moment there
inner prawn
@empty ferry Ah yes it's optional... im just silly and can't look for something in a menu.
brisk trail
@void nova enemy aiming/behaviour , camera control, game performance optimization issues just for the multiplayer, also lots of coding and how would the boon acquisition work in case of multiplayer... etc. etc.
void nova
easiest solution would be literally everything could still apply to Zag as normal, screen tracking, boons, time slowing, etc, but just with the option of some support character that a friend could control just for a bit of interactive fun
they don't have to get boons, could be locked within screen bounds, stuff like that
brisk trail
just like the binding of isaac with remote flying head ?
void nova
probably? i'm not that familiar with BoI
sharp parcel
BoI has MP?
umbral flame
ocean kayak
maybe someday they'll have a hades online pvp or something?
sharp parcel
I wouldn't bet on it
spice chasm
Nah never
ocean kayak
[blows a kiss, and also hacks the game and removes every witch enemy from it]
For Zagreus~
static wadi
Good evening guys
ocean kayak
Someone said something earlier about how the Pact of Punishment was unbalanced/unfair, who was it?
ocean kayak
no, not like that
static wadi
jk
swift seal
What up. I didn't say it was unfair. Just that some things weren't fun.
static wadi
some pact things are rly unbalanced imo i should agree
ocean kayak
i agree, though. in general i don't complain, because the pact of punishment seems designed to appease those challenge junkies that love pain
but one in particular i'm taking issue with is "budget cuts", the mirror one
void nova
a lot of the pact conditions don't feel like they add any sort of enjoyment, just tedium
but i guess that's pretty subjective
swift seal
I liked the time limit one. That was fun. But I didn't add anything else ontop of it lol
ocean kayak
the most forgiving level limits you to 2,500 darkness to spend, which is....insane. even discounting Fated Authority (which takes up more than half of the darkness you can spend at the mirror just on its own) you can easily blow 10,000 darkness or more on the rest. that's so limiting that the mirror may as well not be there.
i didn't grind all those darkness to have 90% of it (check that--i'm almost at 20,000 for total count) swiped from me. i'm highly annoyed with that one.
static wadi
budget is hard option.... for only 1 point
void nova
i like the idea of the time limit one, but i don't run it because it seems stressful lol
static wadi
time is ok
not with bow
it just force u to move
and suddenly u realise it's not so bad)
ocean kayak
time limit one isn't so bad at the gentlest level, but you won't catch me going any higher than that
And yeah, not with coronacht, either
void nova
and i like extreme measures and middle management especially
ocean kayak
9:00 is fairly generous for each section of the underworld
void nova
i wish the remaining time would carry into the next biome
i can get tartarus done in like 4 minutes lol
static wadi
u even can clear all styx
lusty geode
static wadi
he is not
well he maybe is
but not only
also lots of god and creatures drink with him
do u know such ppls
everyone love them
and they love everyone
just some cool guys just cool cus they are?
"soul of the party"
that is Dio
fallen bramble
On scale 1-10, how hyped are you for the upcoming patch?
muted lichen
6.66 😛 (I still haven't seen everything so far, so even without a new patch I still have so much to look forward to
sharp parcel
7-9
9 if they make meta currencies useful for Hell players, 7 if they don't, 8 if we get at least something in that direction
radiant tangle
Bouldy is the best
sharp parcel
you believe in Bouldy, and Bouldy believes in you!
static wadi
+3 Special damage this time
Not Chiron but...
I still love him
Zag takes coins: "That's good"
Zag drinks fountain: "That's better"
opaque nexus
warm dock
Is there a suitable channel here on the discord for reporting a bug or is that more of a Supergiant website thing?
opaque nexus
@fallen bramble 10 if there will be a 4th aspect for each weapon, 9 otherwise because the quality of life changes will be great and new Olympian is always cool
Also chaos shield nerfs
You guys know it’s happening
warm dock
ah....thank you
static wadi
@opaque nexus didnt play it even once(
viscid flicker
maybe they'll buff everything else instead of nerfing chaos shield!!!
opaque nexus
Then the game will be too easy
static wadi
opaque nexus
This isn’t a fighting game bringing everything to the same high playing field isn’t the solution
Well
Actually
If the weapons were better and the game itself was harder that would be nice
But chaos shield is just so overly safe and so effective
static wadi
@white sequoia try #h1-tech-support
white sequoia
static wadi
Imagine being voidstone which shielding catwheels but they still killthemself in explosion
vocal thorn
I think every 32 heat game I've seen used the chaos shield. It needs to be nerfed
brisk trail
How hyped for new patch out of 10? Hmm... a very high 9.
void nova
Cinder i barely ever use bullrush and the shield has always been my fav
but yeah chaos aspect does seem OP. also borken spearpoint
not that i really mind lol
opaque nexus
Make the non-god aspects better
void nova
maybe i should go for a 16 heat clear with the chaos aspect before next tuesday
opaque nexus
I pretty much always run 2 god keepsakes (or cosmic egg if I’m feeling spicy), coin purse, spearpoint
void nova
yeah that's basically exactly what i do nowtoo
opaque nexus
It’s hard to make the other stuff better than the god keepsakes
void nova
yeah
native patrol
dad doesn't love me :(
opaque nexus
It’s a way to control the rng, that’s just invaluable in a roguelike
void nova
i always feel like i should max out the rest of my keepsakes just for the heck of it, but i never..actually want to do that lol
static wadi
he loves deep inside
void nova
spiked collar and feather duster still chillin' at level 1
opaque nexus
Achilles keepsake is okay
void nova
bone hourglass and shattered shackle chillin' at level 2
vocal thorn
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527330532259004419/667123411100762133/2500_mirror.png?width=1038&height=584 Also, this is what my mirror looks like in Hell Mode. The only things I'm missing besides the last three choices, are 25HP and 100gold, which really shouldn't be considered super oppressive.
opaque nexus
Even having more viable options at just the final floor would be nice
vocal thorn
I still have 150% worth of damage modifiers, 3 death defiance, 2 extra cast crystals, and the extra dash
opaque nexus
Shackle is actually useless
vocal thorn
And the +25HP is good enough to pay for an early chaos room
void nova
shackle seems like it might be fun to try to build a run around
would be quite unique, at least
opaque nexus
Tbh out of the non-necessary ones
Bracer seems like one of the better ones
Unless you’re using shield
void nova
what else haven't i maxed out let's see....
(anything other than working)
oh, actually i do have the rest maxed
hm
deep spade
shackle is great for elysium
swap it in so that the traps one-shot the large chariots then swap it out for broken spearpoint in styx
void nova
yeah that sounds cool
static wadi
hourglass for styx)
void nova
👀
static wadi
11 rooms Gidralite or Lamia or Cyclopes
Cool stuff
also lamia works good with more enemies from pact
silent raft
static wadi
Zag doesnt drink
wait
he does
liar
i remeber he mentioned something like he never tried Ambrosia in caht with Sizif
but he can drink it with Tomatos iirc
static wadi
which one?
trim surge
instead of making tiers of rewards, say
-darkness/keys/gems
-heart/coin
-boons
you'd have all of those on the same tier, but difficulty is tied to reward
so instead of having Coins and Gems being 1/5th of a coin, you'd have regular coin and elite+ coin
there are already arrows to show the difficulty of elite rooms so there's a ranking in place
static wadi
Hammer?
trim surge
need to photoshop damn mirror upgrades
static wadi
?
void nova
wait level 3 bone hourglass gives 11 encounters??
static wadi
y
static wadi
pretty op yeah?
void nova
that sounds p decent ngl
static wadi
@void nova are u in the House rn?
void nova
if i were to open the game then yeah lol
static wadi
ok
void nova
? why? lol
static wadi
i wanted some help
void nova
with what?
void nova
ohh, idk anything about the songs lol
silk ice
Why can't I gift some people anymore? They have a timer on their heart when I view their codex file.
static wadi
@silk ice :sggheart: What does it mean if there's a clock/timer on the next heart in the codex? :sggheart:
It means you've reached the current limit for gifting this character! You'll have to wait for future updates for further conversations.
:sggheart: What does it mean if there's a lock on the next heart in the codex? :sggheart:
This means there is a special event which will unlock the next section of the heart meter. This is different for each character, and in some cases, it will require you to do specific actions. Just keep talking to
so who is that?
silk ice
Okay thank you
atomic rover
gotta wait for the charon dating sim update 😦
static wadi
u just want a discount dont you?
deft vector
@vale drift hey man, I just wanted to thank you (and everyone involved with writing dialogue more generally) for creating the best dialogue and characterization in any game I have ever played. the VA is quite good and I see everyone praise it, but I feel that the dialogue writing has really brought out the soul of these characters. this should be in feedback but its closed rn. i'm hype as hell for the next update
ocean kayak
okay
serious question
does anyone else think the wells of charon should just....offer you the full range of products to choose from?
static wadi
in wells?
flat vapor
no
static wadi
strong no
flat vapor
being able to get every possible buff at any point when you get a well (which is pretty often) would be way too much
ocean kayak
i mean, that's what coin costs are for
i doubt someone early or midway through the game is going to be able to buy a ton of stuff
humble finch
i like the randomness in the shops
ocean kayak
and if someone does go all the way through the game to save up, they do that with the last charon shop anyway.
humble finch
it makes me want to be like "ughh guess i'll just do a trial of the gods for two boons"
ocean kayak
that sounds fair.
to be clear, i'm talking specifically about the wells, not the boatman shops. they offer different items anyway.
static wadi
free chaos boons every shop is too op
humble finch
ohh
the only time i use the well if i really want a chaos room
i never use the limited items liek the jerky
hollow shadow
Has there been any talk of a Switch release for the game?
humble finch
its better using that coins for the charon shop at the styx
flat vapor
just going to a gold room nets you around 75-100 gold, which can get you a pretty good amount of stuff
void nova
i use the limited boosts from the well often, like attack damage, can be pretty useful i think but maybe i'm just overly cautious lol
ocean kayak
i don't usually go for chaos and if i need a buff, i'll probably find it.
i only go to the wells for heals and kiss of styx. when i'm at the end of my rope, an extra kiss can make the difference between a win and loss.
i'm pretty confident in getting around without the other stuff sold.
ocean kayak
that's just me, though. my point is, all this cash in my pocket isn't going anywhere if the RNG isn't generous.
static wadi
Charon trinket
ocean kayak
lengthens the amount of time buffs from his well last
vale drift
@deft vector Hey thank you very much for the kind words! It's great to hear you're enjoying that aspect. It's the first time we've had a chance to create a big fully voiced cast of characters like this, and working on that is one of my favorite things (not just as part of my job but among all possible things).
I hope you find we continue to do justice to the characters, and enjoy getting to know the new one we're about to add. Tons of new events and voice lines coming next week...! I'd better get back to it.
hallow grove
So exciting
proud harness
I just managed to beat what you can currently play of Hades and I have to say I absolutely love this game and can't wait to see where it goes from here.
hallow grove
There’s a lot more to do if you’ve only just beaten the final boss 😛
humble pulsar
For those of you who beat Hades, I still recommend messing around with the Pact and trying to unlock more tools to play with. There's a lot of fun character interactions you can find if you do enough runs/give out lots of gifts
echo quail
Replaying is the name of the game when ur talking about rogulikes
echo quail
Pog
vocal thorn
Keys and gems can be traded for titan's blood, and if someone actually played the game enough to get enough titan's blood to unlock all the weapons, and enough darkness to max out the mirror, then they probably deserve to be considered done grinding resources. The average player would take at least a couple hundred hours to unlock all the content, probably.
opaque nexus
You need 100 blood for everything @vocal thorn
So that’s 20 heat per weapon minutes trades and quests, which is way more
Wait I think it’s more than 100
180
You need 180
That’s 36 heat per weapon
vocal thorn
you get 2 blood per run
opaque nexus
Oh nvm
vocal thorn
not counting the extra you get once you don't need ambrosia/diamonds anymore
opaque nexus
*18
trim surge
I plan to play after i've completed grinding for lounge curios
unfortunately the game hasn't planned this far
with only the ability to turn darkness/key/gem rewards into worse versions of HP and Coin
vestal slate
When they release 4th aspects for all weapons + weapon number 6, maybe there are more use for Titan blood
But having sinks for resources in each run sounds good
Like it's impt decision making. Do I boost now or go for a small permanent boost?
They did have Troves locked before and needing keys. It was not very popular. Cause ppl were buying trove trackers that could end up useless
trim surge
the keys ended up being spent right?
so people just skipped those entirely as to not be slowed down in their meta-progression
tribal briar
Theres no late game sink for keys. Itd be kinda cool if you could do smaller versions of d3 rift's.
Keys could unlock how many boons you get to pick/ some specific boons could require unlocking I dunno.
vestal slate
If it's going to be implemented, it's better for it to be optional. Better to feel good gaining something extra, than feeling bad by missing out due to the lack of keys
trim surge
?
vestal slate
Actually, Fated Authority that comes with getting keys in a run is already quite powerful
swift seal
Middle Management Barge is heinous
naive pine
Why does Reddit take a fat dump on Poseidon? They say he's weak but I think he's OP
@swift seal yes indeed
swift seal
Poseidon just isn't as beneficial against bosses.
Because you can only wall-slam like, 1 or 2 bosses.
vocal thorn
Because people don't realize that 80% of the game isn't bosses, and rupture still counts as a status debuff on bosses?
naive pine
It does
And knockback works on bosses... if they're against a wall
So it's just playing smart
vocal thorn
and poseidon on a chiron special definitely has pushback action on some bosses
naive pine
I mean, I like doom stacks and poison as much as everyone, but when it takes you two minutes to clear all of the sewer paths on Styx because everything's a wall
swift seal
Hey question, does anyone else feel Styx is pretty.. boring?
Like, it just doesn't feel like a level like the others. It's a bit weird
naive pine
I'd be down for more "pick your path" stuff
my problem with Styx is it kills your speed running if you guess wrong 4x on the Satyr Snack Pack is
vocal thorn
It can be irritating, because it feels like if I'm not using the broken spearpoint, that I'm slowly racking up 1 damage 1 damage 1 damage from an obnoxious amount of stuff
elfin kite
I am okay with Styx as it is, but I feel like correct path should be marked and others should be optional
naive pine
I want to fight Cerbereus
vocal thorn
I feel like if I'm in a small room, the big rats should be able to stand in a giant poison puddle they've created... and just sit there, waiting for me to get in melee range so I can get poisoned
naive pine
Or have Cerberus and I fight something haha
elfin kite
@naive pine you monster
vocal thorn
or the floating snake heads shouldn;t be able to be pushed outside the sword's range, and just hover in unreachable places
or things will just sit in the middle of a giant poison trap, and I could literally just sit there for 20 seconds, or purposely run in and take poison damage
naive pine
@elfin kite If the fight was even like, Cerb in a room, and you have to kill Satyrs for him to eat, and he chomps into them or something
That would be funny
elfin kite
yes, poison is annoying
@naive pine sounds awesome!
instead of small poisonous chambers I would prefer Styx to have several mini-boss fights. One grants you with a Sack (and you know which path to go to get it) and others should be extremely hard or take-no-damage-or-onion rooms
naive pine
Buy the sack instead, as well?
elfin kite
then it would be up to you if you want to get extra boons or money before facing the final boss
if you have to buy a sack, then you can soft-lock yourself 🙂
naive pine
If it was just Charon's shop and a sack was for sale for like 1000 or something?
Not if you can re-enter the fray enough times
elfin kite
ah, you mean, buy or get it in one of the rooms?
naive pine
I mean the shop at the end
So add more rooms, etc.
add more shop items, add a sack to them
elfin kite
nice
vocal thorn
I'm not sure if I've ever gotten 2,000 gold in one run though, and the convenience fee would double the price of the sack
elfin kite
all rewards could be replaced with obols once you clear them
so you can get a limited amount of boons + buy some in the shop and grind money to buy a sack
or just save some money and buy it immediately for a speedrun
styx rooms should still be harder but fair. poison traps are huge disadvantage for melee players
I would prefer several Meg-style mini bosses
naive pine
@vocal thorn I’ll do a run and go for gold and see what I get
I know I’ve landed in Styx with 1500+
Chaos and Poseidon to thank for those, and some FA applied to turn doors to cash
I never optimized for cash
vocal thorn
I feel like this would punish anyone that skipped the treasure troves, either due to tight deadline and/or speedrunning in general
elfin kite
well, just save 1000 (?) coins before styx or make an OP build to complete rooms faster
it is still better than RNG
i mean, i like RNG, it is part of roguelike, but the magic of roguelike RNG is that you at least have an illusion that you can affect it
naive pine
You can start with 300 gold out the gate with the purse and buffing at mirror
elfin kite
Styx is just pure RNG. you cannot affect in any way. it is just you are lucky or not
naive pine
Chaos and Poseidon can up income +140% easy
deft vector
Serious philosophical question: would you trade your life for that of a any character in Hades? Y or y not?
covert plover
Depends. Most of the immortals and shades are basically stuck in Hades (in a sense). I guess Hypnos. He sleeps a lot.
Or Than.
sharp parcel
Than's life sucks, he always hops around to collect souls
it's worse than Hermes', whose entire life is in slow mo
wise nebula
life of a deliverer
elfin kite
Skelly gets good paychecks, so why not
sharp parcel
standing around all day though?
elfin kite
Alecto is having fun, looks like
@sharp parcel well, better than 95% of all jobs
Eurydice settled down in a warm place
Theseus is enjoying being ||a piece of|| Theseus
dusky meteor
elfin kite
Charon is collecting obols to build a cruiser
it looks like being a shade is Elysium is kinda fun. You always fight, perfecting your skills, never die, weather is good. Basically, you do what you enjyed most being alive
sharp parcel
all kinds of shades inhabit Elysium, not all of em are warriors
just look at the stadium's spectators
elfin kite
nah, to constantly live in ELysium you have to be chosen by gds somehow
high chance that you should be a hero, or at least a very good guy
regular shades should probably get a visa and cannot stay more than 30 days a year
sharp parcel
didn't you get Hades' line about heroes?
opaque grove
probably not me
sharp parcel
all sorts of people get into Elysium: warriors, kings, tyrants, murders and saviors
elfin kite
yes, but you have to be chosen somehow
sharp parcel
people get into Elysium based on how famous or infamous they were in life
elfin kite
i also somehow missed how Theseus managed to bring Asterius to ELysium. It is mentioned that he found him somewhere
sharp parcel
Asterius was sent to Tartarus
Theseus sought him out and pledged his services to Hades to get the bull to Elysium
it's practically the same deal Achilles made for Patroclus, except that Achilles got stuck in Hades' home
elfin kite
ah, got it. I thought, Theseus has Olymp protection, but it should mean nothing to Hades
basically, they agreed to work for Hades, that is it
thank you for explanation
I hope in final version I could sneak into Hades' room while Achilles is off-duty
wise nebula
i think hades is what we need to sneak from
he respond when you interact with looked doors
elfin kite
he just sits there. I bet he never raises a hand on his own son
at least not personally
opaque grove
...
sharp parcel
Hades takes regular walks, over Zagreus' spine
modern garnet
Hades pays people to beat zag up
wise nebula
just what a great Chthonic god daddy would do
opaque grove
just got my first run after beating hades get four deaths defiances drained from me by bone hydra
pogger?
sharp sable
damn, made it to ||hades|| for the first time
almost got him too, felt good
using the spear with aphrodite weakness on it, and the hammer gave me a "hold X to win" ability lol
deft vector
Weak on attack is so good tbh
limpid totem
that and the dmg boost on weakened enemies
sharp sable
Yep, I think I misread an ability I got. It said weakness procs doom
So does that mean it just activated doom, or it spreads doom
Ares and Aphrodite duo ability
floral sonnet
it means Doom constantly strikes enemies that are also Weak, with diminishing damage each time
but the second hit is usually enough
surreal berry
I usually prefer weak on my special rather than attack
as I'm usually stacking some other debuff if I can with my attack that does damage like doom and weak can last a long time and doesnt benefit from getting stacked multiple times
and the damage boost from having 2 effects as well as other buffs like ares and aphrodite duo are almost certainly worth it
sharp parcel
it depends on the weapon
fast attack, you wanna stack; slow special, big damage's essential
and vice versa
alternatively, just get 2 statuses and do whatever you want
empty ferry
poison for fast, doom for slow
timid ferry
@south meadow it bit old but it was a joke, i was referring to the subtitles after you know who dies and we try to continue moving forward
old minnow
How do i unlock the gum?
old minnow
I cant see it though for unlock? i just see the 4 other weapons
sharp parcel
what version are you on? check in the top left corner
sullen vault
If I recall from my playthrough the gun didn't appear to buy until I'd done a couple of runs, it might be gated behind something but I'm not sure what
muted lichen
Can be unlocked for 8 Chthonic Keys, once all other weapons are unlocked.```from the Hades Gamepedia
so: unlock all other weapons and then the gun will actually show up
sharp parcel
it doesn't show up? I thought all weapons are visible from the start, they just have the chains on em
old minnow
i did unlock all weapons, i am on version 0.23932
muted lichen
nope, the gun doesn't show until then 😉 I have the same "issue"
old minnow
?
sharp parcel
you are on the latest version
muted lichen
sorry, my comment was in reply to Zepp
old minnow
yes i am i bought the game from steam
muted lichen
why the gun isn't showing for you, then, I don't know
sharp parcel
upload to https://imgur.com/ and post the link here
empty ferry
it should appear one run after you unlock the last weapon
sharp parcel
no. Have you done any runs after you unlocked the bow?
old minnow
Oh no i havent
sharp parcel
try that
sharp parcel
I think you need to beat the first boss
old minnow
? i beat all bosses except hades
sharp parcel
oh yes, you already have bloods
atomic rover
i think it might be tied behind run count?
old minnow
Oh okey i only did 16 runs so far
atomic rover
might also be tied behind having all weapons already
old minnow
Oh okey lemme try to get the gun then i guess
sharp parcel
These Aspects become available once all weapons are unlocked and the player has collected at least one Titan Blood.
old minnow
oh okey so the gun is needed then i guess thanks a lot 🙂
fleet monolith
he has two titan blood
hardy karma
i thought aspects didn't unlock till you've beaten the final boss once?
empty ferry
nop
static wadi
@hardy karma you need to unlock all weapon and make 1 run
hardy karma
was quite confused there for a second
static wadi
sry forgot to change language
hardy karma
npnp
static wadi
@tardy apex skelly 1st prize?
tardy apex
hm?
static wadi
what is this about?
tardy apex
how do I get the 1st and the 2nd
static wadi
1st and 2nd what?
if u talk about skelly prise - there are some statues in room with him
jusr go bottom
tardy apex
ah wow
never seen those before lol
also I love this game: I was in a duo room and fought against Zeus but already had his Call as well. Then Zagreus going "well this is awkward" when I used my Call is just brilliant haha.
static wadi
wise nebula
tardy apex
does it mean anything stat wise when gods grow displeased?
like are you less likely to find their epic or rare boons then?
trim surge
welp seems like reddit misunderstands my resource rework
ornate merlin
is there like a prereq to get armor skewer from hammer for spear?
last thing i need for the quest
wise nebula
yeah... i was stucked at spear hammer skill in fated list for quite a while too..
the explosive whatnot one
tardy apex
new time and streak records on that last run! 24:15 and a current streak of 12
static wadi
what heat?
ornate merlin
ah guess super unlucky lol
sour stream
Can we expect some performance optimizations in next update?
static wadi
what is about?
wise nebula
for example?
static wadi
well every time i go first encounter in elysium(not starting peacefull room) i have some freeze for 1 moment
wise nebula
im not lucky enough to encounter much performance issues
i do, have a bit lag and /or Zag's constantly pressing attack when switching the other windows and back
fast ivy
Heck yeah, I beat hydra for the first time fighting it, but I didn't beat it again since. I had a really solid build when I first encountered it. That was solid. SUper fun
static wadi
Hydra is not fun
trim surge
rather than hydra getting 3 invincibility phases
I'd rather have heads spawn constantly with one type of head protecting main hydra
static wadi
what a great expirience to face 6 armored shieldguys
and 2 more voidstones for 2nd wave
mental crow
What do you guys Think is behind the 2 closed doors in the house of hades? Is they any note?
indigo mango
pretty sure the one Achilles stands by is Hades's chambers
the other side is Nyx's, i think?
static wadi
i thought both are in his room
sharp parcel
I don't think it's Nyx's chamber, shades go in and out of it regularly
sharp parcel
Shady's? Yeah, I wrote about that on Steam thinking it was a bug, dev said it's intentional but they might revise it.
doesn't seem intentional to me
tribal briar
Can someone @ me if they know how to get access to game sound files. I need some new text tones =0
sharp parcel
I think they might be encrypted
so unless devs release em or someone goes arrr with a crowbar at em, no bueno on that front
olive jungle
It's less intentional than it is "not a bug", haha
I don't know if that makes sense.
But yeah more discussion about what to do about that is ongoing - there are a few boons that cause issues like that, it isn't just Shady.
static wadi
it's not a bug yes
cus all studd just... in older room
still not cool
and what about Nectar?
olive jungle
Right, it's not great - the solution could be complicated and affects multiple things in the game, though, so it takes time. 😄
We appreciate that it's frustrating and we're looking at it. Feel free to submit an F10 bug report regardless if you'd like.
static wadi
@olive jungle it's about Shady or about Nectar?
sharp parcel
he's talking about Shady
olive jungle
Go ahead and report the nectar not giving a level up, if that's what you mean
static wadi
i still not sure is it a bug or it should work only with room reward Nectars
i dont remeber Contractors description for that upgrade
deft vector
Opinions on the possibility of hades modding?
static wadi
what modding?
there was a guy he made somekinda of endless mode
@burnt breach yup it's him
deft vector
People adding new boons, gods, items, weapons, or progression systems. Or even new characters! But I’m not excited for that last one since modders tend to be better at gameplay than wordy stuff
deft vector
I have zero knowledge of coding lol
atomic rover
modded gods has potential to be equally hilarious and blasphemous
deft vector
Yes. Imagine modded zeus constantly horny on main
I don’t know whether modding will be a thing once 1.0 comes out, but I would love for supergiants next game to have steam workshop compatibility. I think since they like to make a game and move on to the next one, starting with the explicit intention to code the game in a workshop amenable way would allow each game to develop long term communities and allow sg to increase the price point as well. Maybe I’m a clueless idiot and adding a mod creation engine (or at least a specific engine language for the game) is way more common and expensive than it seems. I think this would be a great way for sg to increase long term financial and consumer base stability while continuing their current business model
Thank you for listening to my tedtalk
sharp parcel
void nova
@deft vector i had zero knowledge and experience with code when i first modded a game, it was my introduction to code, and it was totally a feasible task. i'm sure i could do it better now, but even then i was able to accomplish what i wanted to just by poking around. i'm sure you could too 🙂
it can be super fun and rewarding
keen eagle
Mod the game to replace the narrator with more Dusa 
atomic rover
dusa boons
static wadi
keen eagle
I'd love Dusa boons. Attacks inflict petrify, or what have you
static wadi
at least make her ingame model more alive
keen eagle
(Also more lines. Love her voice)
static wadi
moving snakehairs or at least blinking
sharp parcel
it seems surreal that Dusa and Aphro share the same VA
keen eagle
Really? I'd never have guessed that's awesome
muted lichen
yeah, Skelly and Zag are voiced by Darren if I remember correctly xD
sharp parcel
I wish Korb narrated instead of Cunningham's default voice, too
atomic rover
darren voice every character
deft vector
does anyone actually use hestia gun? what do you even build? full crit and dash attack damage? full special? it buffs all 5 shotgun shots right? is the weapon even functional without shotgun?
sharp parcel
it is functional
get crits or status and spam reload. Infinity helps cuz you can reload at will
meaning you don't have to shoot once and then reload, you can reload first
personally though, I dislike that sorta button mashing gameplay
it's huge damage, instant kill on most things with crits
also, I don't believe shotgun works with Hestia, it just fires a single projectile
deft vector
aight. i haven't seen fully upgraded hestia yet so i wasn't sure. it starts at 50 but what does it go to?
sharp parcel
250
deft vector
holy wee wee that's what better than i thought. i figured it would go to 110
keen eagle
On the subject of upgrading weapons - if you can only get 2 titan blood per weapon (before they introduce PoP), how do you get the resources to upgrade the weapons?
sharp parcel
it's more damage than Eris, but you really have to mash that reload button
and I just love Eris' triple special big badaboom too much
@keen eagle you mean how it was done in the past?
keen eagle
I got the game like 2 days ago, don't have PoP yet (not cleared fully), just wondering if I'm gonna get bottlenecked on titan blood to upgrade my aspect of choice for a first clear
sharp parcel
I'm confused, are you asking how to get bloods?
you just increase the heat level by 1 each time you clear, for each individual weapon
deft vector
i think hera might actually be worse than the others once enemies have 2 blue health bars
sharp parcel
so 10 clears per weapon is 50 clears, and since you're guaranteed 2 bloods per clear, that's 50x2=100 bloods
deft vector
even though it has higher dps
i'm not a huge adamant rail user tho. opinions, everyone?
sharp parcel
it takes 36 bloods to max out all currently available weapon aspects
humble finch
thats good to know
sharp parcel
so with 5 weapons, that's 180 bloods total
humble finch
is that the only use for titan blood?
deft vector
you can trade it too
humble finch
you get 2 per heat.. hm
sharp parcel
you can trade the blood for other currencies with broker in the lounge
deft vector
but 180 is a lot
humble finch
180 is a lot if you wanna max out every weapon
keen eagle
I'm asking more for upgrading a specific aspect as a priority so I can actually unlock heat in the first place
sharp parcel
you get 2 per clear, but you can also get a random blood from Charon's shop in Styx
humble finch
unlocking one is like 1 or 2 titan blood
sharp parcel
it's either a blood or diamond
deft vector
there are only ~230 available bloods in the game, not including trading
sharp parcel
blood is 1500 gold, diamond is 1000 gold
I hope they add a reliable way to exchange darkness in the upcoming patch
I got over 10k and nothing to use it on because of the mirror limiter
keen eagle
Every other currency is tradable apart from darkness and obol which is run-specific right?
sharp parcel
Obol is run specific
keen eagle
So adding like a darkness > gems or something?
As in obol = run specific, and darkness not being tradable
sharp parcel
you can trade darkness but it only comes up as time limited offers
keen eagle
Sorry worded it bad
sharp parcel
yeah, something like darkness into gems
or perhaps a way to spend darkness on run modifiers, e.g. get more gold urns/urns drop food/gods' attack/special/cast boons are of higher rarity, etc.
keen eagle
That sounds like a cool idea tbh
sharp parcel
that might actually clear the path towards 45 heat
keen eagle
Pay darkness to a boon symbol to get a chance at higher rarity or something?
keen eagle
Like where you'd pay nectar- if you've maxed out the rep, do a darkness offering instead or something
crystal plume
Is festive fog the best cast in the game?
humble finch
for me it is lmao
crystal plume
Yeah I use it every chance I get
deft vector
the best cast is either duo boon zeus dionysus, duo boon zeus athena, or duo boon artemis ares
humble finch
whats artemis ares
faint jackal
I vote for Artemis Ares ... that thing is broken and can solo carry while you dodge and do nothing
humble finch
is it crit and doom?
faint jackal
homing blades Sylvurn
faint jackal
Ares: Slicing Shot
Artemis: Deadly Strike, Deadly Flourish, Hunter Dash or Artemis' Aid
unique turret
whats yall best time? i just got a sub 15
faint jackal
its bonkers, you get hermes to cast faster and you melt everything
32 min. I am terrible at speedrunning
errant pond
The artemis+ares duo boon with ares' legendary +1 damage per tick of blade rift has seriously carried me more times than I dare count
There's also something extremely satisfying about that combo and listening to Yakety Sax
faint jackal
I got it just twice ... I was trying to hard roll it with keepsakes but no luck
delicate dove
guess you don't have any ambrosia?
mystic oasis
yeah......................
candid pine
worthy cairn
hello! I just had a crash, where do I complain and give as many details as possible to maybe have it investigated? any way for me to get logs of any kind?
static wadi
try ask #h1-tech-support
is god's trinket are working???
I take lvl 1 an have Common Attack rare Cast and Epic Call
Take lvl 3 Zeus and have same skills with absolutely same rarity
indigo mango
on the same seed?
static wadi
y
indigo mango
that would be why
the seed just didnt roll rare/epic, even with the boost from trinket
static wadi
and so what sense in this trinket upgrading?
indigo mango
it can matter for other boons down the line
and it wont be the case every seed that it doesnt make a difference
its all just percentages
for example, if the boon needs to roll above a 50 to be rare, and the trinket gives you +30, but the RNG for that boon only rolls a 5, its still not going to be rare. but a boon later that rolled a 25 will get the boost as well and will be rare
brisk trail
will there be any twitch integrations, like in Dead Cells, where chatters can choose, what upgrade or next room to choose?
just interesting
regal holly
do people think the coinpurse is worth it for the start
not really sure what item i should be using 
the feather seems good
or forcing the 1 boon you need
opaque nexus
Coin purse on third floor @regal holly
coarse junco
Coin purse is nice if you’re down a death defiance and see one sold in the shop
opaque nexus
You want purse for styx stuff too
coarse junco
You mean you don’t take broken spearhead for Styx?
deep spade
i generally take either purse or a forced boon for the first 2 floors, trap damage shackle for elysium, and spearpoint for styx
there are so many traps in elysium that deal a ton of damage and they all rearm
shackle makes them oneshot things
like clumped up groups of greatshields or large chariots
indigo mango
i need to give shackle a try
dusty gate
I feel pretty low IQ to use the butterfly 😓
regal holly
i probably value the dodge from feather too highly
but i am stupid noob at this game
lunar laurel
i love tipsy in the hera bow its so fun. I've been having nothing but great runs lately. I think if you really have to understand how boons work together - once you get sorted in some method or practice - runs are pretty quick.
But i keep trying to love the gun, I just can't - i feel its a bit too hammer depending as I really only lob when doing runs with it.
And the sword and spear have really grown on me - that crit aspect for sword with the run boons is just killer and the spear - just the first aspect and you can get barrage and wow
but i just tried running weakness with the power shot and hades slaughtered me for realz oof