and they get more damage
#h1-discussion
static wadi
strange kite
She's more primarily the goddess of the family order
neat plaza
i mean sure, and Dionysus is more about parties and plants than poison, but a bunch of his stuff is about poison
static wadi
wine
strange kite
Well alcohol is basically edible poison
lime schooner
the trick is associate the god's aspect to its tactics
spare token
I assumed the poison thing was about the whole wine thing, you know, alchohol
lime schooner
poseidon and ares are more brute force therefore rely on heavy raw damage
dionysus is just controlled chaos
neat plaza
ehh, alcohol isn't really associated with poison in game mechanics though. inebriation is a mechanic in plenty of games, but you don't get a damaging poison debuff from it
strange kite
Ooooh Demeter is Persephone's mother
strange kite
My bad that was pretty huge
lime schooner
just remember #h1-story-discussion for any late stage convos
static wadi
it's not that late imo
strange kite
It's still a major reveal
lime schooner
the narrator shenanigans definitely make the game's plot more palpable
it breaks from the exchange of thoughts and just watch zag completely lose it over a voice
neat plaza
i enjoy the 4th wall breaking a lot, once you hit the point of "well the games not done" and return there, theres some pretty great dialogue of like "well the games still not done"
lime schooner
everyone's so confused at that point even hades himself is starting to get in the loop
it's miserable in a funny way
oblique dust
"Ongoing underworld renovations" is comedy gold for unfinished parts of this game.
lime schooner
the "died for whatever you can think of" is always a good laugh cant deny
fickle mural
I've seen some people saying that cast is underwhelming
but I have 6 ammo and right click for 900 damage... who's underwhelming now
neat plaza
everything is underwhelming if you dont spec into it
fleet hedge
So, um, Hephaestus is nice addition, Apollo sure, but what about Hecate and Helios? They would fit nicely
fickle mural
I would like to see Aeolus with some cool dash-focused gameplay boons
possibly Paean to replace the health pools
Astraea could be cool for some defense-focused boons
neat plaza
i dunno, i feel like we already have a bunch of defense focused stuff scattered about
like athena already has a lot of deflect and impervious, so what other defensive stuff would there be?
mellow cloak
Yea athena is kinda the all-in-one god for defense. Why add more less effective stuff.
odd bramble
I think the plan is we won't even get all 13 Olympians (12 if you ignore Hestia ๐ ), why would other gods be prioritized?
light bramble
Hello everyone do we know if the game is coming to Xbox One? I saw the game on ID@Xbox a year ago. Iโm just wondering if the devs still planning an Xbox One port. Thank you advance!
gleaming timber
Once the Early Access is over, more platforms will be announced
Currently only Epic and Steam
gleaming timber
A question: are ||Thanatos encounters|| way easier than before or I just got a lot better? It is the first one right?
stuck stag
How does hestia railgun interact with infinity chamber
brisk trail
Guys I was wondering, what is the best Hammer Upgrade between these two? Twin Shot or Flurry Shot?
stuck stag
I think twin shot
stuck stag
way better in many more scenarios
brisk trail
Twin is?
jagged bloom
flurry
brisk trail
And no I don't have Explosive.
jagged bloom
you can move more
brisk trail
But I don't have Explosive Shot.
brisk trail
wait, you can get explosive and flurry?
that's nuts
I'd like some more opinions if possible.
brisk trail
"Hold Attack to shoot rapidly, but you cannot Power Shot.
Cannot be combined with Perfect Shot or Explosive Shot"
I just searched on Wiki
yeah that's more sensible
jagged bloom
if you don't care about distance, twin
brisk trail
imagine flurry arrows with a +300% damage modifier, that'd be stupid
brisk trail
i think flurry is better than twin overall and both together is probs the best hammer combo on the bow
brisk trail
you have to switch your playstyle to use twin properly
jagged bloom
thing is, i don't see the point
brisk trail
it's double damage???
jagged bloom
i get most of my dmg from the special usually
granite pecan
and the two separate instances of damage help it get past armor
jagged bloom
but hey
that's just a biased opinion
idk why i said biased
opinions are always biased
granite pecan
i almost never use the special on the bow unless i have something good on it. mostly for debuff application or defense
jagged bloom
poison special is what i usually use
brisk trail
special is great on chiron and meh on the other two
brisk trail
then why not take twin shot
granite pecan
twin shot is good for massive damage builds on attack
artemis attack and dash, for example
granite pecan
goes well with perfect shot too
jagged bloom
since all my bow attacks are dash attacks
brisk trail
i mean you wouldn't build dio on chiron special
brisk trail
also 9 poison applications makes no sense
yeah, aphro or artemis are the best specials for chiron imo
jagged bloom
why aphro?
brisk trail
huge damage, status applications, good duos
jagged bloom
hmm
why not tie aphro to the attack
unless that's what you meant
rather than the special
then use Heart Rend
duo
brisk trail
aphro attack artemis special works really well too yeah
brisk trail
probably
hollow bane
What should I upgrade first using titan blood?
granite pecan
whatever you want to!
opaque orbit
one thing I didn't understand about the aspect upgrades at first is that you can only have one of the aspects active at a time
brisk trail
What can you do with Ambrosia?
alpine quest
Absolutely love this game. Just bought it on Christmas and have been doing my best to rip through Tartarus and the like.
frigid dock
void nova
It's so good
tacit spoke
which of the new olympians do you think they will add? So far the only ones available from myth are Hera, Demeter, Apollo, Hestia, and Hephaestus. It doesn't seem like Hestia or Hephaestus will be added, because Hestia is known for farming which isn't the most exciting thing in the world and Hephaestus's role is already taken by Daedalus mostly. Considering the Hera aspect for the Heart-seeking's bow, it would make sense for her(a) to be added, but once again she doesnt seem like she would have an obvious gameplay theme to draw from the lore. Then again, they made Dionysus a bro so who can really know.
Apollo also seems likely, as light and sun themes can be more easily integrated into gameplay aspects.
brisk trail
Almost certainly Demeter.
tacit spoke
hows that
brisk trail
The five weapons so far have Aspects of five of the six gods to fight in the Titanomachy; Demeter is the sixth.
odd bramble
I think you got your elder goddesses mixed up, Hestia is goddess of the hearth
brisk trail
Additionally, she is the goddess of the harvest, and there is a cornucopia and wheat stalk halo/crown in the silhouette in the last update video, and she is Zagreus' grandmother.
odd bramble
Uh, only the silhouette matters for which Olympian they're adding, weapon aspect doesn't mean that
But yes there's a silhouette
brisk trail
I find it unlikely that a theme like that would have happened by chance.
tacit spoke
Did they release a silhouette for Demeter?
odd bramble
The question wasn't about a weapon, it was about boons. Most of the elder six aren't giving boons at the moment.
dull cargo
Sounds like we need to translate more dialogues hhhhhh
grim steeple
is this game just like a wave game?
see how far u can get w/o dying?
or is there like checkpoints?
brisk trail
No, there is a definitive endpoint.
grim steeple
so it says ive made it to like the 13th chamber so like
idk ive just never played a game like this
dull cargo
When I tried to translate Eurydice's dialogue, it's strange that my game file about her is totally written in English, but I remember when I met her, she used Chinese...
Ummm, if you say that, I really recommend you yo try DEAD CELLS๐
gray wind
Yes, the chamber counter tells you the furthest you've made it but that doesn't mean it goes on indefinitely, there is indeed an end to the maze
tacit spoke
@odd bramble what do you mean by "But yes there's a silhouette"
grim steeple
its a maze?
gray wind
Well, no. That's poor wording on my part
You're always going to be going forward, while you pick which chamber you want to move on to there's no shorter, longer or wrong paths
grim steeple
but do u always start at the beginning ?
dull cargo
Ummm, it's just a roguelike game I think.
gray wind
I haven't gotten that far in the game yet, but progression in this kind of games pretty much comes from making it further in and unlocking permanent upgrades
So it's not like you're starting from scratch each time
grim steeple
do u unlock stuff thru experience and kills etc? or thru chamber progression
gray wind
Through currency. You've probably seen items like Darkness, Gems, Keys and Nectar in your runs. While the gold is only used within the run itself those have their use outside of it
dull cargo
I unlocked almost everything
gray wind
Be it for unlocking weapons, character upgrades or even extra chambers
dull cargo
You collect sth in games, and make you stronger
gray wind
Those extra chambers merely add them to the pool of chamber types the game selects from, they won't make the overall run longer
dull cargo
And it will also make the game easier to "win"
No checkpoint, once you begin, you will die or "win"
If you win, you will unlock a more difficult game mode and you can make a choice what will be more difficult
Just challenge yourself
Maybe you can buy it on steam and try this game (it's really awesome!) If you really don't like it you can ask for your money return haha๐
gray wind
Think of it like an obstacle course. While the specific obstacles will vary and you can kinda pick between them the game is all about learning those obstacles until you're capable of beating the course in one go. There are upgrades to make your progression easier but you're still going to need to know the game.
This type of game is normally not as story heavy as others due to how it's built on braving that obstacle course time and time again in an attempt to beat it, but I don't fully know how they've set things up on that end, the main focus is delivering a strong gameplay experience so the retries are enjoyable
tacit spoke
Being the godess of Harvest, what do you think will go into Demeter's set of boons. I'm guessing she will be similar to aphrodite in that she gives generally good boons that give more utility than just straight damage like Artemis or Ares would. Things like giving healing under certain conditions, bolstering defenses, increasing the effects of items, or even creating plant-based obstacles. What do you guys think?
gray wind
I'm really no good at explaining things
dull cargo
Maybe...more money, gems and others you will get?
gray wind
People have mentioned before the possibility of healing boons and how they might be a bit too strong
tacit spoke
The closest thing we have is Dionysus with capped healing so i see that
It would fit the theme very well though
gray wind
Thinking on the growing part of agriculture, what with plants and all, I was thinking maybe something like passives you build up before you can reap their benefits?
It would, yeah, it's all in how they'd implement it
tacit spoke
Similar to chaos but without the detriments?
Just waiting for benefits to accrue over time.
That would be really cool
gray wind
Maybe, or maybe something like the Lambent Plume where the passive grows stronger bit by bit over time?
dull cargo
Nonono
tacit spoke
Based on the current disappearance of Persephone from both Olympus (From the permanent winter) and Hades she would also probably be very vengeful and wanting to help Zagreus escape from his father due to resentment.
dull cargo
I think it's too powerful
tacit spoke
Yeah maybe. It also seems like Hermes is a bit different because his keepsake doesn't allow the player to selectively get his boons
And Demeter seems like a more common Olympian like the others
gray wind
Fair, I'm just throwing it out there for the sake of adding something to the chat
tacit spoke
Yeah it is a cool idea though, the lambent plume does feel slightly underwhelming at the moment
And you have to dedicate a whole run to the Butterfly
brisk trail
@humble pulsar once stacked the Butterfly to over 50%.
dull cargo
So... make your attack can produce some butterflies ?
dull cargo
How do you think about her aid๏ผ
swift flicker
Sooo, salutations to all Hades lovers out here. This one is a rather older player, 45 years old, and with reflexes just bad enough that I can never defeat Theseus and his pal (Well, I did once but with absolutely insane luck, one heroic upgrade and four epic ones, all syngerizing very well, and then got trounced by a poison rat in the rooms beyond)
So a wonder: Are there other 'older folks' that enjoy this lovely game?
tacit spoke
Some kind of cc like aphrodite
Not I sorry friend
But Heaven mode could make the experience a lot more friendly.
brisk trail
God Mode.
swift flicker
Oh? What is this 'heaven mode' you speak of?
bright fern
Hi
brisk trail
Pause menu, under Settings.
bright fern
...
swift flicker
Oh, god mode... Well, it rahter removes incentive from improving... My wish might rather be to be able to go a bit further (at high cost) with the darkness mirror... Maybe something to up basic damage some more...
dull cargo
I hate these mice...
swift flicker
I was stuck in a tiny room with a bow and a poison rat, so no room to avoid the poison, haha, was thoroughly trounced.
brisk trail
My advice would to use God Mode to learn enemy patterns and what boons work best together, how you can best maximize what you have with your reflexes, then turn it off and try "for real."
But Supergiant has gone out of their way to say that God Mode clears are just as legitimate as otherwise.
tacit spoke
I wouldn't worry too much about not progressing fast enough the enjoyment tapers down at least for me once you've beaten most of the game. For me it's most fun to find good combinations of boons and hammer upgrades and sometimes just let that carry me.
Once you have the mirror fully upgraded it shouldnt be as hard however
dull cargo
@brisk trail I dont like it... I think it will decrease this games fun
I played Dead Cells, and I make the 5cells, if you let me know every enemy's skills, it will lose some fun like a "surprise"
but it will make the game easier, still a good idea
swift flicker
Well... I'm on my 30th run or so, the mirror -is- upgraded save for those +x% to get a rarer boon things... Even being okay ish with patterns, I just don't have the reflexes to adjust well to patterns... Well, I think it's the combination of Theseus (who is such a troublesome one with his blocks) plus the minotaur that's too much for me to process, along with my bad reflexes.
Well, I get them down to 30-40% when I have decentish weapon upgrades... I'm the sort of player that would need an 'easy mode' (Really don't like the idea that god mode would be autowin, so thanks for the advice Schpoonman, but I feel god mode would damage the game for me.)
It's still a grand game. Was just wondering if I was alone here, an old geezer just on the cusp of being good enough, but hitting a wall. ๐
brisk trail
Yes.
dull cargo
(I killed Hades by using that mode for my first time)
I really hope this game can generate random room, it will make this game more interesting I think
or maybe it is just i played dead cells too many times๐
swift flicker
Well, even 'easy mode' isn't quite on my wish list. I'd rather be able to go a bit further with the mirror. Maybe a small damage boost for the regular attack/special/cast trinity. I was surprised there's no such thing, but those conditional damage boosts are clever, I like them...
last seal
yo lance im 37 and ive beat hades like 15 times now, game really gets fairly easy once you understand things and unlock more
tacit spoke
A simple strategy I use on the Theseus and Asterius fight is to mainly direct damage toward Asterius initially while keeping track of the audio indicators from Theseus when he is about to throw his spear. This allows you to circle around the stage dodging the onslaught from Asterius while slowly widdling him down. After you go through two or three invulnerability phases from the bull, its easy to take him down. Afterwards you can single out Theseus and dash behind him before most of his attacks, slowly getting him to 50%. Once he reaches half health, wail on him as he calls upon whichever god he chooses and possibly save up a greater call beforehand to burst him down. This usually lets me get through them losing one death defy at most.
@swift flicker
swift flicker
Thank Karren, I am in definite agreement with 'Asterius first' I'll remember that trick.
swift flicker
Oh, I also have been had by 'spending titan bloods too soon'. I'd spend several on weapon modes thinking I could gain more titan blood by rebeating the furies... Aaaand I was badly surprsied that I only get darkness now, oops.
dull cargo
Theseus second
and if you use long range weapon, you can easily make it w/o losing death defy
last seal
using the trinket that gives an extra death defy helped me alot early on
dull cargo
the bow's second pattern's dps is very high...
last seal
i really only like the bow if i get the spammable autoattack upgrade
otherwise its my least favorite
dull cargo
but it is not very useful in Sewers to fight with mice
swift flicker
I see from the feedback channel that I'm not the only one that was 'ill-surprised' by the titan blood not being offered on future runs. Or on wasting them on undesirable weapon modes... (aka multiple modes for the same weapon).
Hmmm, brainstorming here: What would you guys think of... instead of a titan blood being permanently locked to one of four patterns of a weapon, they're spend per weapon and you can... respec the weapon? It's the only thing I can think of besides being able to buy back those titan bloods off a weapon, maybe at a steep darkness cost?
last seal
i just dont like any charge attacks, i never use the charge attacks on stuff
dull cargo
especially in tiny room
tacit spoke
that would be a good quality of life change
flat vapor
@swift flicker titan blood does get offered in future runs
tacit spoke
but i think they are working on bigger things at the moment
last seal
you do get more titan bloods with the heat system
tacit spoke
by the time they release the ending of the game that might be implemented
seems logical
dull cargo
I think it is OK
swift flicker
Right, and the heat system... I have to beat the game, still getting there. meep...
last seal
i still have no idea what to do with an ambrosia and i have 15 ๐
swift flicker
Oh yeah, what are those for? Besides turning into titan blood?
dull cargo
ummm
granite pecan
gifting
dull cargo
give gift
last seal
wiki says you can give them to people to earn a pet or something. ive never seen the option to give them to anyone
granite pecan
those are high-level gifts for friendships that you have invested a lot in
radiant tangle
The option is unlocked later down the road
dull cargo
and you will get sth to help you
swift flicker
Okay... thanks for the heads up.
granite pecan
only four characters can receive them at this point, and you need to go through an event with them to unlock giving them that ambrosia
swift flicker
Oh, other question: is it documented somewhere what happens if you spend a lot of nectar on, say, cerberus? (as an example)
dull cargo
could get it
last seal
spending a bunch of nectar doesnt really do anything at the moment i think
last seal
the main thing is giving everyone at least 1 so you get all their trinkets
dull cargo
wait for a minute
swift flicker
Those I have, just completed the collection.
tacit spoke
I would recommend keeping about six ambrosia and converting the rest @swift flicker
swift flicker
Well considering I still can't beat the dynamic duo... I'm nowhere near hoping to get more than the lucky one I got with an overpowered bow plus heroic force field. XD
And wait, more than six? There's six weapons... so if I re-beat the dynamic duo with a bow, I can get another ambrosia? Unlike the titan bloods and diamonds?
(or do diamonds keep dropping, I forget...)
last seal
they all keep dropping with the heat system
but you got to get past the hurdle of beating the game the first time for that
swift flicker
Yeah...
last seal
youll get it dude, i thought those are were super hard the first couple of times
now i can beat them with any random weapon and boon combo
swift flicker
And I -really wish- I hadn't spent all my titan bloods on one weapon's multiple modes, grumble mutter. I would gladly pay 2000 darkness to regain those.
tacit spoke
There's five weapons so far but if you beat the game you can refresh the bounties for each drop and regain titan blood from megaera and the like
dull cargo
at least you have cheat engine hahaha
tacit spoke
upgrading the zagreus aspect of the bow is generally good and chiron's aspect is stupid good if you can build it right
swift flicker
I've misspent my titan bloods and can't reach heat levels, remember Karren?
tacit spoke
yeah just for the future
last seal
i beat the game with weapons with no titans blood in them so its dooable
swift flicker
I don't doubt it, but this old man needs every edge he can get, being lackluster in, well, dodging. XD
I was actually surprised there's not a 'small upgrade to basic attack/special/cast damage' in the mirror.
craggy frost
okay question has anyone beaten a run with every heat item maxed out?
dull cargo
everyone is different, just like Sekiro: I died many times XD
brisk trail
No.
last seal
try focusing on the shield for your first victory, people say its the easiest to win with
flat vapor
probably not, i've heard it's impossible
i think someone's beaten 40, which is pretty close
dull cargo
it is too diffucult...
craggy frost
can confirm, shield is easiest to win with, just won with it a minute ago
swift flicker
I've noticed Asterius' attacks are sometimes blocked by the shield (if charging attack), and sometimes not. Anyone knows which of his attacks are unblockable?
plush flax
I suspect the shield not blocking attacks is because it's directional, and if he's right on top of you the game's probably registering his position as somewhere other than "in front"
swift flicker
That could be it...
swift flicker
I'm pretty sure Riyshn is right, it feels like when he hit me, he was close, and his axe has a very broad arc... The -arc- is probably what matters with shield blocking, as opposed to Asterius' position compared to Zaggy's.
dull cargo
this game has a Z axis, but ... i dont like shield. maybe i can try it later
plush flax
Could also be similar to how it works with the shield enemies - piercing attacks ignoring the shield
brisk trail
I'm gonna go with the theorycraft on the axe's arc. If you stand behind a pillar when he attacks, he can still hit you. Might work on the same concept?
dull cargo
umm, I think it is OK
i think the pillar is used to block ..some ... flying props
like your beach bomb, arrows
or make some enemy cant be hit by your attack, like the big flying stone, which can hit you from the sky
or maybe it's just a program's bool variable like 0 will not but 1 will
I recommand you to ask this question @ tech-support
plucky shoal
@dull cargo i think it does track z
you can lob a gun special over a partially smashed pillar but if its still fully assembled i think it will bounce off
not sure if that is relevant to your questions tho
plush flax
Might be - distance seems to play a factor as well. Be standing right next to a partially destroyed pillar and try to lob a grenade over and it'll bounce off, but back up a bit so the grenade has time to get "higher" and it'll go over just fine.
void nova
hey.. all the gods have unique colors, except zeus and athena right?
i'm fairly colorblind so i could be totally wrong but, i see yellow for both of them
i feel like maybe like a white/silver might be good for a unique color for athena?
also i wonder what color the new god is gonna be..
flat vapor
zeus is a bright yellow, athena is a dull gold
deep spade
athena is pale yellow with cyan, pink, and magenta highlights
zeus is a brighter yellow with green and cyan highlights
they are quite similar
novel jacinth
Is there a specific place to talk about speedruns?
deep spade
nope
novel jacinth
Oh
flat vapor
#h1-builds-and-combat is your most likely bet
novel jacinth
Thank you
deep spade
you're welcome
humble sinew
may i ask i been gifting meg so that i can increase her hearts but i reach to the point that i can gift her anymore and she has a lockheart, what is that lockheart ?
wintry cairn
it means u have to give her some ambrosia to unlock the next events
humble sinew
ok
granite pecan
reverse order of that. the events need to happen to unlock giving ambrosia
fight her with extreme measures on a few times and the event should happen
humble sinew
ok thank you
median vale
just started the game today. loads of fun. favourite run so far was poison-machinegun right off the bat
thick remnant
Speedrunning hades at 45 heat monkaS
plucky shoal
im about 5 hours in and havent beaten the level 3 boss yet
early favorites for me are
spear special-zeus
bow special-poison shotgun
machine gun attack-poisom
shield attack-zeus special-ares
diana seems stronger later when you might have more sources of crit than just herself ? idk.
forest slate
Shield dudes disgust me..
lime schooner
@plucky shoal from my short period tinkerings with artemis, her boons seem to benefit best from fast attacks
teal terrace
diana?
teal terrace
thought that was a short way of saying dionysus
plucky shoal
no
teal terrace
but that's a guy
plucky shoal
... sorry im not doing this again we did it in another channel
lime schooner
people refer to dionysus as dio
lime schooner
triggers my jojo PTSD like nothing else
teal terrace
or maybe wonder woman got patched in when i wasn't looking
marble sphinx
is it just me, or is the seeker aspect for coronacht kind of underwhelming
plucky shoal
they should make a translation conversion except the only thing it changes is the greek names to their roman counterparts
marble sphinx
i mean i can see it being good with a lot of investment, but stuff like zeus shield is good right out of the gate
lime schooner
bow is pretty underwhelming in general
marble sphinx
eh, a power draw/crit build deletes bosses like nothing else in the game
plucky shoal
if you have good timing and natural rhythm you can do insane damage with the power shot
lime schooner
which im horrible at LOL
plucky shoal
its just guitar hero bro its easy
lime schooner
i just wish the bow didn't rely so heavily on the power shot
plucky shoal
my favorite way to play bow is poison and shotgun with the special
marble sphinx
it's a bit mediocre at crowd control even with a decent special build though, so it struggles in tight quarters like styx
plucky shoal
yeah i havent beaten the 3rd chapter yet ๐
marble sphinx
i can consistently get to the final boss but he kicks my ass 7/10 times
plucky shoal
tonights the night !!! i can beat them each as mini bosses now quite easily
lime schooner
exagryph also struggles at crowd control but it performs slightly more consistently to me
marble sphinx
exagryph's special can be really good at cc, but it's a delayed cc
lime schooner
maybe i'm used to the borderlands playstyle and reload every time i move
marble sphinx
unless you get the rocket of course
plucky shoal
i just use whatever weapon has the essence bonus since im still exploring the game itself i figure i just use what the game throws at me to see the different options. definitely starting to see some strengths to exploit
essence being whatever the purple stuff is. i dont proper noun good
marble sphinx
darkness
lime schooner
yeah darkness
plucky shoal
darknessence. word
marble sphinx
the only darkness upgrade i have left is the last dice one, and considering i'll probably get the renovation that replenishes dice when you pick up keys sooner, it seems a bit pointless
lime schooner
in the localization sometimes it gets translated to ''infernal essense'' so i think you could go with either
plucky shoal
i am canadian, im using the regular language
yeah im way earlier Sunn I am only unlocking the 6 key mirror upgrades
marble sphinx
exagryph also has really good neutral options for cc, if you get the explosive round or the shotgun conversion
plucky shoal
oh on that note i actually have a question
lime schooner
also that yeah
marble sphinx
i suppose you could use the caster aspect of coronacht with something like a rift or festive fog and get the same effect
plucky shoal
Are weapon stance upgrades permanent? or can I respec them? and where else can I get the red splashy upgrade item because now that ive cleared Meg with every weapon im only ever getting darkness from her and her sisters
i hope that made sense
marble sphinx
can't you get more titan blood by upping the pact of punishment for each weapon?
lime schooner
you get titan blood from doing the fated list or increase heat
marble sphinx
or does it eventually totally run out?
lime schooner
i think heat scales up infinitely
marble sphinx
ah i see
plucky shoal
i havent got those mechanics yet lol
plucky shoal
word
lyric zephyr
From what I have heard here on the discord, there is no respec system
also not sure if there will be one
plucky shoal
my current mini goal is I realized if I gift all the gods i can choose to focus their boons in chapter 1 or 2 before i switch to tanky keepsake on chapter 3
so im trying to unlock all those boon keepsakes
marble sphinx
don't really have a strong opinion on respec either way, every upgrade is useful and non-exclusive so
lyric zephyr
Just don't be afraid to experient!
lime schooner
oh yeah and the lounge broker also trades titan blood sometimes
the prices are dumb though
marble sphinx
so far the most consistent builds i've found so far are cheesing doom at long range and going for max crit/damage upgrade
plucky shoal
@lyric zephyr im not, thats why I always take whatever weapon has the darkness bonus...just playing around !!!
lyric zephyr
Yeah that's a nice way to do it. As if the game decides what you have to play so you keep it fresh
sometimes the broker has a very good single time deal
like. xx darkness for a titan blood
marble sphinx
you can also consistently trade a bottle of ambrosia for titan blood
or not ambrosia, the other thing, that you get from the hydra
lime schooner
wouldnt trade diamonds tho
lyric zephyr
diamond?
marble sphinx
no, i meant theseus sorry. the one in the bottle
plucky shoal
Does hydra always keep dropping diamonds or does that stop after first weapon clear too
marble sphinx
it stops after the first clear unless you up the heat
lyric zephyr
Everything will make sense after you complete a run or 2 and see the punishment contract
@plucky shoal
marble sphinx
does the heat requirement increase based on upgrades or number of clears by the way?
because if it's number of clears you're kind of incentivised to lose at the last stage for easy farming, no?
lyric zephyr
you, the player decides which heat* to turn on or off
marble sphinx
right, i mean the heat requirement to get the bounty rewards
delicate arrow
FRECKLES that multi headed bone shiethead man
lime schooner
nice
marble sphinx
lol
lyric zephyr
the heat difficulty increases by 1 , 2 or 3 depending on what you turn on.
for example. 20% more enemies during normal encounters raises your heat by 1
marble sphinx
yes, i am asking about the weapon bounties you need to earn rewards like titan blood etc.
lime schooner
time to clear the run and go to 100 heat instantly
just to see how horrible it gets
lyric zephyr
aah my mistake
marble sphinx
do the heat requirements for those increase based on the number of upgrades for the weapon, or the number of times you clear the game with that weapon?
lime schooner
||broda u dont go to olympus||
lyric zephyr
In order to keep getting weapon bounties you need to increase your heat by 1 level
for each weapon
marble sphinx
yes, what causes the bounty requirements to increase
is it weapon upgrades or clears per weapon
lyric zephyr
it's clears for that heat for that weapon
marble sphinx
thanks
lyric zephyr
๐
marble sphinx
so yeah, that kind of incentivises getting to the last stage and losing since you can farm more easily that way then, doesn't it?
lyric zephyr
No they actually found a solution for that
if you don't complete a run on that heat level,
you won't get *refreshed bounties if you increase the heat next run
you just get darknessessence for the bosses you already cleared
novel jacinth
Hi
whole tiger
Hey, I have a question, I gave meg a bunch of nectars, and i got to that arrow thingy in her heart meter, but I can't find her anymore o: I haven't seen her in the house of hades for like 10 runs, how can I find her? o:
plucky shoal
What does everyone use for controls
i use m+k but only use wasd on keyboard everything else is on mouse buttons
omg
lyric zephyr
controller ๐
mint shuttle
Controller. But I swapped a few buttons so I could reload with L1
Since R3 is a bad reload button, imo
Especially after every shot
deep spade
^ What this guy said exactly
I use a controller with Reload bound to L1, Codex bound to L2, and Summon bound to R3
mortal relic
Keyboard here.
lyric frigate
Where can i spend my diamonds? It says that i can upgrade weapons but i actually can't
devout goblet
iirc, diamonds are for contractor stuff, titan blood is for weapons
barren rune
Diamonds? You don't use them for weapons, contractor is where you spend 'em
TK's right ^
lyric frigate
Oh, thanks 
barren rune
o7
feral hornet
rofl Adament Rail is fun with the right boons
had Lightning Strike, Support Fire, Flurry Fire and Swift Strike
felt like a true HMG man
lunar sapphire
Adamant Rail with infinite fire, Artemis support fire and Aphrodite's legendary
you have two guns; one of them makes friends
It's just so ridiculously fun, because even the enemies that survive the first barrage won't be able to attack you at all
untold flare
why, am I so stupid? xd I'm like I wanna buy hades on steam while I can get it on EGS for 10 euro's less :/
last seal
i bought it on epic because im cheap
eternal sparrow
Trying to get through 32 heat seems to just be an endless number of resets and hope for good luck on chambers in Elysium and styxs...
Can you unlock the 32 heat statue in God mode? Should I?
mint shuttle
good idea
It doesn't count towards your normal runs but it might still give you the statues
untold flare
Yeah I have all my games on steam but 10 euro's more discount is allot
whole tiger
Hey, I am having a difficulties getting Meg's companion, after giving her a bunch of nectar (and reaching the amborsia part in the relationship meter) I can't find her anymore, is there anything I need to do?
empty ferry
whole tiger
Thanks! ๐
quaint topaz
Question! Is there any place I can see how far I've gotten with each weapon? (Which bosses slain?)
whole tiger
Did you beat the final boss at least once?
quaint topaz
No, not yet. Why?
whole tiger
Because once you do, you can. not sure about earlier than that
quaint topaz
Which one is the final boss...? :P
Nah
At one point I thought I had him..
And then...
๐ญ
hexed smelt
Please donโt mention the final boss by name in this channel, @whole tiger - or if youโre doing so briefly, then please use spoiler tags!
whole tiger
sorry
mortal palm
if you go to the chamber with the weapons and go left you can tell how many chambers you've gotten through
that's it tho that i've seen other than individual weapons
(which is after game 'completion')
whole tiger
๐
mortal palm
(there's also some dialog there which is nice)
primal jolt
Hey I was wondering which weapon aspects are worth upgrading, I recently cleared all weapons on 0 heat so I have some titan blood to throw around but I don't wanna waste it
noble nacelle
I mean the base Zagreus aspects on all weapons aren't that bad, they're pretty neutral. Honestly, the Nemesis Aspect on the sword is pretty nuts with the right boons. I was critically striking for over 1K
narrow karma
they're all decent, and good in the right hands.
I would suggest unlocking one level in each so you can at least try them out, see what you like to play/are good with.
noble nacelle
and you combo into your basic attack from special anyway
primal jolt
What's the max upgrade level?
brisk trail
5
noble nacelle
Yea
narrow karma
they max out at 5, but the lower ones cost more to max out
primal jolt
Icic
primal jolt
Ah
noble nacelle
5 for Zagreus, 15 for the middle, and 16 for the last
primal jolt
I only have 17 atm
brisk trail
what's your favourite weapon atm?
noble nacelle
You also get an extra Fate from Skelly to kill him with a fully upgraded Stygian blade
Zagreus aspect
primal jolt
I don't really have a favourite weapon tbh haha
brisk trail
fair enough ig
narrow karma
you might once you try out all the aspects!
narrow karma
gun aspects might be the best of the lot
narrow karma
they all change up your playstyles, from a tiny bit to wildly divergent
noble nacelle
I feel like results vary on the Adamant Rail a lot. I had a friend not like the gun, but I basically either got to Hades or won with it everytime I used it.
primal jolt
The Zagreus aspect on the gun seems pretty meh too
quaint topaz
I dislike the gun as well, but my current run (with gun) is going very well. I got a daedalus hammer with the "you never have to reload" boon. And I got the Ares upgrade to deal a big chunk of doom damage on attack. It's a very nice run so far ;)
narrow karma
you'd be surprised
brisk trail
try putting one point in hera bow, achilles spear and poseidon sword
primal jolt
I do already have 1 point in nemesis sword and chiron bow
narrow karma
I despise Achilles spear with all my heart
noble nacelle
Aspect of Chiron on the Bow is kinda underwhelming, but I dislike the bow.
brisk trail
they change your playstyle pretty drastically without having to be maxed
primal jolt
One point in aspect of chiron bow is better than 0 points in Zagreus imo
brisk trail
chiron and nemesis really need to be maxed before they're good
noble nacelle
I mean, I think the bow maxes out at 10%
noble nacelle
I mean, it's not bad, I just find every other weapon more enjoyable lol
Its definitely my last pick
narrow karma
bow special is like my single favourite attack in the whole game
and that's before any boons on it
brisk trail
huh
mellow cloak
Illuminati!
primal jolt
Idk seems real weak to me
brisk trail
that's a weird take
noble nacelle
My favorite special un-upgraded is probably the shield
primal jolt
Maybe if you put smt like Ares boon on it, but even then
narrow karma
it's the only one that can do both burst and spread damage
primal jolt
It's too slow to use at close reange for burst damage imo
spare token
I only really like the bow with the Ares special boon
noble nacelle
The bow is good in Elysium because Elysium starts to punish you for melee builds, which is kind ridiculous tbh
Those tiny chariots end up blowing up in your face a lot of the time
so I can understand the bow being useful, but for me its still my least favorite
hexed smelt
elysium is why itโs important to upgrade your cast
noble nacelle
Yea, I definitely agree with that.
mint shuttle
Jump over stuff Vs the little chariots though
Shouldn't really get hurt
Probably why I don't like full maps of them. You end up just dodging over the same wall 50 times and it sucks
noble nacelle
I mean, you kind of have to, especially with like the sword. You can't really stop to just basic attack them with it, only ends in misery lol especially the armored ones
mint shuttle
There's no value to fighting them at all, really even with bow
noble nacelle
They end up blowing up on their own a lot of the time anyway, just sprinting around the map, so yea, you're kinda right
brisk trail
deflecting their explosions is the only way i get through these rooms without being bored out of my mind
noble nacelle
Oh yea, with the spear I usually don't care
but its just a slow room, takes too much time to deal with.
mint shuttle
Yeah they need to compliment other enemies instead of being a whole room by themselves
narrow karma
that feeling when a bunch of shieldbearers die randomly to traps in the opposite corner of the room, while you're hunting for stragglers
brisk trail
there's also a room of kamikaze chariots where the last wave spawns some shieldbearers or strongbows
noble nacelle
Oh yea
brisk trail
in addition to chariots
mellow cloak
Speaking of Traps, I had Hunters Mark on a Rat (the one that allows +40% to crit it) I also had +400% dmg from traps on. The rat got Crit from a buzz saw for 1200 Dmg.
brisk trail
disgusting
noble nacelle
Ya, I was surprised to find how much traps can do when they have that kind of scaling.
I remember taking a Chaos boon where the downside was extra trap damage, and I told myself it couldn't be that bad. Like 4 rooms later I lost one of my defiances to a trap at full health.
Basically on the final room for the boon
brisk trail
saws and guillotines already hit so hard without heightened security and i always manage to run into at least one every run, i'd rather not have it kill me tbqh
narrow karma
somehow I had assumed the increased trap damage only applied to you
mellow cloak
The text just reads i think "Traps do and additional _____" So that doesnt say you lol
noble nacelle
For Chaos boons yea, Heightened Security just scales it in general
mellow cloak
HAHAa imagine your a mob,
Shieldbearer - "lalala oh Look a spike trap ill survive this, (800dmg) OH GOD WHY DID IT HURT SO MUCH! WTF!
Zag - "Oh my bad bro, Chaos had a a really good deal today!"
noble nacelle
I still usually take it
because Chaos boons are I dont know, I dont see the downside to chaos boons a lot of the time
I may just be too focused on the positives
mellow cloak
They suck when your on a special attack run and the best choice is Dmg when u use special. LOL hurts so good.
brisk trail
dmg when you attack on the rail
narrow karma
take 3 damage each time you cast
joke's on you primordial zaddy, I never cast
mellow cloak
Q-Space-Q-SpaceQ-Space-Q-SpaceQ-Space-Q-SpaceQ-Space-Q-SpaceQ-Space-Q-SpaceQ-Space-Q-Space
noble nacelle
I thought I would learn my lesson with a chaos boon in Asphodel, where I had the longest Hydra fight of my life because I refused to use Attack because I lost health from it
so I had to sword special the boss until it was dead
mellow cloak
did u?
brisk trail
For general discussion about Hades. No spoilers please!
noble nacelle
oh you're right, I guess this fall more under spoiler chat
brisk trail
gameplay rather
runic jacinth
how similar is this game to binding of isaac?
fading pilot
Hello, I have a question about Hellmode. Why is it made so that I am unable to remove some specific punishments? For example budget cuts. It is extremely annoying and I have just watched someone who did a 32 heat gauge and he didn't have budget cuts on.
Is there any point in even playing Hellmode? I just thought it would speed up the process where you start with 5 and go from there.
static wadi
Good Evening
dusty iris
Is there any way to fix Nintendo Switch's Pro controller controller freezing? I have had five runs ruined because Steam can't figure out this Pro controller.
static wadi
@runic jacinth i can say it rly close to dead cells
and for tboi - not close
@dusty iris you may try to ask tech sup?
dusty iris
Ah, I didn't notice the tech-fix channel. I will continue my journey there.
static wadi
gl with that
opaque nexus
Guys Iโm heading home to NY today
Then I can grind this game over the rest of winter break
static wadi
you have my blessing
narrow karma
and my axe!
lilac stream
@dusty iris turn off vibration
opaque nexus
I will do sword mains proud
Iโm gonna beat max heat
Jk
Can we get a โHades aspect stereotypesโ
Chaos: Tryhard
Hestia/Nem: You like doing massive damage
hexed smelt
what your choice of aspect in hades says about you
alpine stratus
i love zagspect shield and eris gun whats that mean
opaque nexus
Zag shield: You like shield but donโt want to be called a tryhard so you use it instead
brisk trail
Hera : Coworkers may not be giving you all the pertinent information. You can get ahead if you are willing to take a partner. Don't press your luck with your loved ones.
opaque nexus
Eris: you either immediately clicked it because damage bonus or are good at micro managing the blast
alpine stratus
i AM good at micro managing the blast gfghdghdh it feels puzzley to me
opaque nexus
Chiron: Fashion boiiiii
brisk trail
zag sword : you made multiple sonic ocs as a teen
static wadi
i wish i could understand you all(
opaque nexus
Zag sword: You like Skelly and use it out of obligation because you spent 5 Titan blood on it and full well know that the 2 other sword aspects are better
strong heron
poseidon sword?
brisk trail
sexual innuendo
alpine stratus
Hm, better not!
opaque nexus
Poseidon: You like casting but you think youโre too much of a chad for bow
narrow karma
i wish i could understand you all(
imagine Horoscopes, but with weapon aspects instead of Zodiac signs
(you're not missing anything tbh ๐)
alpine stratus
ok zodiaspect expert tell me which mains are the best friends/worst enemies
brisk trail
hera/poseidon and hestia/hades/achilles are best mates
zag sword and zag shield are mortal enemies
strong heron
Poseidon: You like casting but you think youโre too much of a chad for bow joke's on you my other fave is hera bow
ah yes
shaking my own hand, i see
brisk trail
hera bow is the patricians bow
chiron is friends with chaos but mostly out of necessity because noone else wants to speak to them
static wadi
btw
some gods
are not just gods
for example tartarus is a god
erebus
is a god
and Nyx brother
also they had children
lots of them
Hypnos and Tomatos for example
opaque nexus
Guys imagine a kid icarus crossover
static wadi
and furies
lethal otter
Tomatos is amazing
tepid yacht
Hey, can we cool it on the incest talk. Please read the rules. Thanks.
static wadi
well i dig too deep in Greek mythology i guess
opaque nexus
Would poseidon be op if it dislodged on normal attack
brisk trail
probs
humble pulsar
Definitely
static wadi
he is op anyway
opaque nexus
That gives me an idea
static wadi
with that damage buff
humble pulsar
They mean the aspect, but I generally find surfer bro to be the weakest god unfortunately
brisk trail
aspect specific hammers would make sense given that some upgrades are out of the pool when you use certain aspects
brisk trail
nah i mean literally unavailable
static wadi
and for chiron is only 1 upgrade is have to be done
brisk trail
like piercing barrage on chiron
opaque nexus
It would make aspects feel different
More different I mean
And it could be a way to buff some underpowered or boring ones
static wadi
aaand
as i wanted to say
some gods
are not gods
but they are still gods
and also game levels
i mean Chaos is a god
and some of his children seen as living creatures
Nyx
for example
and some - like tartarus and erebus - are just
rocks and flames
or may be Nyx is just some sort of proection
nvm it's rly hard to understand(
green lotus
afaik in actual greek mthology, chaos is "existence" before existence, and nyx, hypnos, erebus, gaia, and I think tartarus are all "aspects" of existence that were birthed from chaos
green lotus
they all have embodiments, some in other forms though, such as hypnos being physical, nyx being a mix between physical and not, and tartarus being a got dam place
static wadi
Erebus for darkness
Tartar for abyss
Uran for sky
and Geya for earth
I may be wrong with english version of their names
but i hope you understand
green lotus
ya u right
green lotus
and yeah i was wrong on hypnos, he's nyx's son
misty meteor
by tomatos you mean thanatos ?
static wadi
yes
green lotus
tomato
static wadi
when i was young
i had book about greek myths
and i made mistake when read his name
i made accent on 2nd syllable
not on 1st
as it should be
and now it sounds pretty close to Tomatos
misty meteor
ok now i get it
static wadi
now i making jokes for myself
and only me founds it funny
as usual
but
Uran was the main god from 1st Generation
and was he youngest?
i see him in the end of the list of Chaos children
so it must be youngest
and HIS youngest children
wait
how do i call single
child yes?
his youngest child killed his father
or not killed
but diposed
and become main god
also he used reaper
or sickle
how do u call it correctly?
misty meteor
sickle
opaque nexus
Itโs so lonely without a hammer
misty meteor
xd
static wadi
so Cronos used it to defeat his father
@opaque nexus oh yes comrade i know this feel
and history just repeated
misty meteor
cronos was son of uranos ?
static wadi
yup
misty meteor
well
static wadi
also in some myths
misty meteor
we can go further
static wadi
he was not killed
he was forgiven
and sent to elisyum
as king of this part
of underworld
bu actually
it's not underworld
but some far country
looks like
when people died
their souls are judged
and righteous
goes to elisium
it's rly complicated
i start to losing my own ideas
but i guess it's not just history repeat
but it's revenge
misty meteor
karma/carma
static wadi
same as Uran was defeated by his son
he predicted same fate for him
So he get what he gave
yes?
misty meteor
sounds like that
static wadi
also tartarus
wasnt Hades domain
it was UNDER
it was prison for titans
and cyclops
and it was surrounded by Erebus
also i never was in there
how does it look?
oh
damn
greek myths have so many versions
misty meteor
static wadi
for some of this there was 1 more chaos son - erot or eros - god of love
brisk trail
how does it look?
are you asking about erebus?
brisk trail
it's a challenge room where you have to not take damage to get a reward
narrow karma
just went inside for the first time
brisk trail
did you get a free 
?
misty meteor
i failed with my first attempt
narrow karma
it's a room, kinda dark outsides
static wadi
so Erebus is god of darkness
and it match the original
also did u know
Tomatos and Hypnos are twins
And there the children of dark Night have their dwellings, Sleep and Death, awful gods. The glowing Sun never looks upon them with his beams, neither as he goes up into heaven, nor as he comes down from heaven. And the former of them roams peacefully over the earth and the sea's broad back and is kindly to men; but the other has a heart of iron, and his spirit within him is pitiless as bronze: whomsoever of men he has once seized he holds fast: and he is hateful even to the deathless gods.
what a nice sentation
never liked him anyway
ivory remnant
Tomatos is nice to zigzag tho
ivory remnant
yee
opaque nexus
@stuck stag I may have stolen your idea about aspect-specific hammer upgrades
void nova
oh i forgot about Chaos, what color are they represented by? i always thought of it as purple, but dionysus is purple, so..maybe it's dark blue? or maybe just a different purple?? lol #justcolorblindthingz
void nova
oh oops i thought i'd originally listed out what i thought the gods colors were but apparently i never did that in the first place lol, so now i'm just randomly outbursting
quaint topaz
What does the clock icon mean on a god after I've given it nectar a bunch of times?
void nova
aphrodite - pink
ares - red
artemis - green
athena - yellow
chaos - purple?
dionysus - purple
hermes - orange?
poseidon - light blue
zeus - yellow
the clock means there will be more content but it's not in the game yet, i believe
quaint topaz
Ah, I see...
So some gods you can never get to the point where you start gifting them nectar?
gaunt bane
chaos has a more blue-toned purple whereas dio's is red-toned... like, well, wine
brisk trail
I'm hella colorblind, so I appreciate the different symbols.
gaunt bane
they have more of an indigo cast i would say
brisk trail
Still makes detecting differing boons in screencaps all but impossible, I've gotta go hunting for associated boons to figure out if it's Dio, Poseidon, or Aphro.
void nova
same, but when i'm looking at the little images that represent each boon sometimes i can't tell who exactly they're supposed to be from, especially the duos i suppose since i don't have those all memorized yet haha ๐
wind belfry
Is it me or does Hades look a little bit buggy taking of his cape int he final fight?
could not help but notice
brisk trail
I'm not seeing it. Looks fine to me (I just reached the final boss).
static wadi
Good Night guys see you tomorrow i hope
brisk trail
Something I've noticed, seems like I can't gift the characters at certain point. Even though some of their hearts/companionship are still empty and some have a timer clock, I can't seem to discover new dialogue either unless I haven't noticed the differences as much.
Are these locked behind the new update that will come later?
Because, I swear, I saw someone on speedrun using Meg.
If it's a clock, it's a later update.
If it's a keyhole, you just need to keep playing. Always try to talk to everyone you see after/during a run. If they've got an exclamation point above their head, talk to them, it's new content that progresses the story and their unlocks.
brisk trail
Can someone tell me the actual main difference between feedback and suggestion? Like, from my understanding. Feedback is supposed to be what the devs asking from players to do, in order to see what the players liked/how much they liked something in the game, while Suggestion is basically the same thing+You have the right to suggest a change or give an advice to the developers. I am lost though as English is not my native language, and I may be wrong.
deep spade
the suggestions channel is for supergiant to specifically request suggestions for certain aspects of the game
e.g. suggestions for hammer upgrades
the feedback channel is for anything you want to tell them
void nova
suggestions channel is for the devs asking for suggestions on specific things, like hammer upgrade ideas. feedback is more general things you'd like to let the devs know. and suggestions is only open when the devs have a specific request, feedback is always open
brisk trail
Alright, so, suggestion is for something specific and not general.
void nova
yep and it's locked anyway ๐
brisk trail
While feedback could be the same thing but with more freedom?
Okay, thanks for clearing that up to me, guys.
stuck stag
@opaque nexus We are all just saying our ideas here, now we just need to hope some of them can make it through 
void nova
plenty of them make it through regularly i'd say, and SGG says they read everything in the feedback channel last i heard
stuck stag
I really think this game has the potential to become a best game of 2020 the only games that got me this kind of excitement this last year was slay the spire
and thats hugely because of mods adding so much more diversity, crazyness and replayability, I think this game can definitely become insanely diverse and awesome with more polish
fickle flax
hey guys
I was able to quit my runs and continue it latter
but seems I can't do it anymore
what happened?
the only options that shows now is "surrender"
no "quit" anymore
void vigil
after you clear a room, the option should change into "quit" again
fickle flax
ahhh Nice. got it thanks
is there any difference beetween hell mode and normal one beside the fixed 5 hots?
crystal sedge
Grrr I just need one more thing from The Fated List and thats the Defiance Blessing from Chaos but I never get it... any tipps or is it completely random?
flat vapor
i believe you're forced to increase the heat after clearing a run?
neat plaza
yes, you have to increase the heat after every success, and theres also a unique heat boy for hell mode i think
void nova
@crystal sedge seems pretty common that people are unable to find it. it's my last chaos boon as well
i wonder if it's only offered if you have at least 1 empty DD slot?
๐คทโโ๏ธ
crystal sedge
@void nova
I tried it with 1 empty slot but it didnt realy work ._.
vapid crown
Does anyone know, if I do a run with a specific weapon on heat 1, then I do the next run on say... heat 5 - will I get the rewards as if I'm on heat 2?
static dagger
Just make your rub about getting to chaos
void nova
@vapid crown yep i believe that's how it works, i haven't done an excessive heat clear yet so can't confirm from personal experience, but that's my understanding.
static dagger
@vapid crown yes. You will keep getting rewards until you get to heat 5. So 4 times
vapid crown
I see
void nova
i would love for..that to be different
lol
imo clearing at heat 5 should get you all your as-yet unearned rewards for 5 heat and under for that weapon
vapid crown
Meh, I'm not sure how it should be. I went from Heat 1 -> 8 -> 16 (and almost beat it) but I think it would be silly to get so many rewards
Then again, there are a number of weapons to do that with, so maybe so
Just feels like it would reward you too quickly
void nova
i think it's kinda silly to have to do the same thing 10 times over because your skill is increasing faster
static dagger
Furthermore, if you don't clear the run on a heat 5 and lose to say, || Hades. || It will react as if you lost a heat 2 run... So no rewards on earlier bosses until you beat it.
crystal sedge
@static dagger Thanks for the tipps I didnt know the Egg increases the chance^^
But do you need one free DD slot for it?
static dagger
@crystal sedge no it acts as an additional dd.
void nova
@static dagger try to || spoiler || final boss name outside of spoilers channel, i believe
static dagger
Ah sorry
crystal sedge
@static dagger Ah okay thanks^^
nimble knot
so i'm kinda confused about the conditions of a certain character appearing ||thanatos||, i've done like 21 runs and beaten about 8 on various heat levels but they still haven't appeared...is there something special to do or just really bad luck?
vapid crown
Are you skipping ! rooms?
nimble knot
i take them every time i see them, does that actually stop the event from happening?
vapid crown
Have you found them a single time?
vapid crown
Try looking in the ||bottom left of the starting area, next to Achillies|| @nimble knot
void nova
i think i heard someone say once that you had to have taken damage in the previous 3 chambers or something, but i have definitely not tested that for myself. that said, i run into that character all the time, and incidentally i do feel like i get hit a lot lol ๐
nimble knot
oh yeah i've looked there every run, i'm not sure whats's up with it but thanks for the advice
making that last keepsake hard to get
vapid crown
On the wiki there's a bit of info under 'additional notes' @nimble knot
I get him in ||elysium|| the most
nimble knot
okay yeah i think it's just been really bad luck from, i'll just grind out some no heat runs to see if they appear! thanks for the help 
vapid crown
Man I'd really like more content now that I've blasted through everything except heat in a few days though
void nova
it really depends, people seem to have all kinds of different feelings. personally, the shield was my first love
rail and bow were hardest for me to learn to use effectively
vapid crown
I actually feel that they're all pretty similar on power level, with the sword maybe being slightly worse
void nova
depends on how you like to play
plain patrol
I came the furthest with the Adamant Rail
vapid crown
There are definitely some stupid things you can do with the shield though
void nova
for me it's frantically fast and reckless lol
plain patrol
Managed to take the third boss out (the double boss fight)
void nova
nice
vapid crown
Tried playing with ||chaos aspect|| leusid?
deep spade
the sword's base form is the worst but the aspects are really good
plain patrol
What keepsake is the best early on?
void nova
is that the one where it launches shields after bull rush?
vapid crown
Yes, it's really broken with poison