h1-discussion

[flat vapor]

hey, @radiant lantern spoilers

[radiant lantern]

oops

xD

[spice chasm]

i dont care about story spoilers or w/e dw

i care about gameplay

[flat vapor]

you collect resources as you play runs that unlock stuff that you can use in the next run

for example, darkness is used to upgrade various things such as health, backstab damage, and starting money

keys unlock weapons and other things, etc, etc

[spice chasm]

right

i kinda expected more of like melee weapons tho i mean to do more stuff

it seems like the game is more focused on ranged/ playing keep away

[ruby oar]

It's focused on not dying, and one method of doing so is not being near damage sources

[spice chasm]

then getting in there and busting some ass

[flat vapor]

there are currently 3 melee weapons and 2 ranged weapons

[spice chasm]

seems like shield is the most busted from what i can see

[strange zealot]

shield is fun

[spice chasm]

yeah i played that build in D3 a bit lol

[radiant lantern]

Shield is kinda the most busted, tru

personally I prefer the spear more

[spice chasm]

in games like these hack and slash i more so am drawn to swords and junk but i see there sort of lack luster here?

[radiant lantern]

you have 3 melees and 2 ranged weapons

shield and spear does big dps if you build correctly tho

[spice chasm]

the shield counts as ranged really lets be real o-o

[radiant lantern]

doesn't mean you can't build melee and slap people down

I build spear like that and those runs are my fastest ones

[brisk trail]

No way, Bull Rush is stronger than non-Aspect Special.

[spice chasm]

dont u get like swarmed trying to charge up ur aoe on spear tho

[brisk trail]

You can.

But there's three levels of charge, most of the time you'll be getting to the second level, and if you get Quick Spin you can get full charges quite easily.

[radiant lantern]

there's an upgrade that allows you to just stab and doesn't charge up spin

I can never use Spin, it's kinda useless to me

[spice chasm]

alright i'll prob pick it up tmr or something thanks for the infos

[remote lily]

Flurry one 🙂

[spice chasm]

ah feck it i'll buy it now

how do u get those roles anyhow

[brisk trail]

Check out #bot-commands

[spice chasm]

ok thanks

oh one thing i shoulda asked i guess

is there any major bugs or things of that sort i should be aware of?

[remote lily]

I dont think

[radiant lantern]

the only one I met so far is don't die while your casts is in mid-air

[spice chasm]

whats it do freeze it?

[radiant lantern]

if you die, your mid-air casts are gone for the remainder of the fight

[remote lily]

o.O rly?

[radiant lantern]

it only happened to me with Dionysus' Tipsy Shot but you never know

[whole crest]

Hello, is there a way to remove the mouse cursor, so I can only play with keyboard?

Also if I move the mouse to certain positions, the camera also follows the mouse, instead of centering etc.

[radiant lantern]

huh? my camera never moves with my mouse, how do you get the game to turn out like that?

[whole crest]

I don't know, just bought the game and it's already been like that

Also when I use the bow, even with direction of mouse cursor deactivated, I still shoot in that direction

I guess I can't play this game without mouse then

[radiant lantern]

idk, maybe ask a mod or a staff cause that is unusual imo

[olive jungle]

You can turn off "dash to cursor", but using the mouse to aim is, as far as I know, the only aiming option.

If you're using mouse and keyboard, that is

[radiant lantern]

I think his problem is his camera panning to his mouse rather than the aiming problem

[olive jungle]

The camera has a limited pan if the cursor is moved to the very edges of the screen, but I don't think it moves the camera any more than that

[radiant lantern]

yea, I don't think the camera should pan like crazy along with your mouse so

[whole crest]

Can't send screenshots here right?

[remote lily]

imgur

[whole crest]

https://imgur.com/a/50Q64Jg

[radiant tangle]

Loneliness

[whole crest]

There are two pictures included in that link, so if my mouse cursor is on the edges, the camera stays like that, no way to deactivate the camera movement?

[olive jungle]

I can't! Someone probably can

(I can't because I don't actually know, by the way)

No way to deactivate that camera movement if your mouse is at the edge of the screen, no

I was wrong about aiming though, you can actually turn off both "Dash at cursor" and "Attack at cursor" so maybe that will help?

[whole crest]

I tested that already, doesn't work with bow

Also buggy with sword when you are at the border of the maps

[karmic ibex]

Are we going to receive a code or something like that to get the game on steam if we have already bought the game on Epic?

[olive jungle]

Noted re: the bugginess; I'll let an engineer know

[tough berry]

hey i just picked up the game yesterday and i'm a little confused about a few things

[whole crest]

So yea, please make options for keyboard only settings, would be great

[olive jungle]

That'd be a good suggestion for #hades-feedback too I think

[radiant lantern]

can't really when you need precise aiming a lot of the time, only 8 directions and all, maybe use a controller?

[tough berry]

I've only done about 7 runs

but I kinda...already beat it?

like the "thank you for playing" screen popped up

[karmic ibex]

you've beaten last boss?

[tough berry]

and I haven't even seen what half of the mechanics do

most of the stuff in the hub isn't unlocked

[radiant lantern]

beating the game doesn't mean you reached the end of all content tho

[tough berry]

yeah thats what i'm asking

how much content is there post first-clear, should I just swap to hard mode immediately or is there a lot left to do in terms of levels/bosses

[whole crest]

I think it's personal preference, I feel much more precise on a keyboard than on my controller most of the time

[radiant lantern]

idk, I started a fresh save since I came back on Hell mode and just run through from there, idek what changed with normal mode

[tough berry]

if its just going for 100% of the upgrades/items than i'd just do that on hard mode, but if there's more fights or levels then i wanna do all that first

[brisk trail]

Hell Mode locks you into 5 minimum Heat and constantly increases.

[whole crest]

So yea, someone add this suggestion on the feedback channel for me, since I don't have any access on there

[brisk trail]

You cannot pause the amount of Heat or play without Heat.

[tough berry]

yeah I don't know what heat is

[brisk trail]

You should check out #bot-commands @whole crest

There is lots to do post-clear.

[radiant lantern]

@whole crest point is more about you only have 8 directions to aim, maybe a better feedback is joystick support

[brisk trail]

I'm almost 700 escape attempts in and a little over 50% clear.

||Just maxing out the Pact.||

[radiant lantern]

yea, that

[tough berry]

alright well if there's still a lot more content left to do other than just going for completion

might as well stay on the normal file for now

[whole crest]

@radiant lantern I know what you mean, but I prefer keyboard pressing over controller

[tough berry]

I hope I didn't miss a bunch of story content or anything blitzing to the end that fast

good

thats all I needed to know

back to business then

[brisk trail]

Apparently all I need to do to keep climbing Heat on Stygius is get Hunting Blades right before fighting Tisiphone.

[brisk trail]

[tropic wave]

Does the bonus damage from Exposed override the mirror's damage? it's hard to say for certain but it seemed like backstabs were doing the same damage before and after getting it. (I had spear throw +deflect boon and the recall was getting backstabs)

[brisk trail]

They stack.

[remote lily]

Okey. This is not accident. Steam release 10 Dec.

Since a few days greek god theme are rly popular memes

[spice chasm]

o balls

first time at the bone hydra

[red coral]

good luck

[shadow mist]

There are these little tables with laurels on them all over. Do these do anything?

[spice chasm]

got him to 3rd add phase then i died

2 much crap goin on there

oh whats the most beneficial person 2 give those potions too?

androsia or whatever

[shadow mist]

everyone, eventually.

[cerulean iris]

hmm it depends on how you play, really! if you're dying a lot, gift one to Skelly or Cerb asap

[red coral]

Meg tho

[brisk trail]

[red coral]

the best defense is Kill Faster

[spice chasm]

i went cerb first the hp bonus is nice

who gives u more damage?

[brisk trail]

Talking about Keepsakes?

[radiant tangle]

This should go to #h1-builds-and-combat

[shadow mist]

It's really annoying that one of the big damage boosts you get is reliant on your bloodstones sticking in enemies, and several cast upgrades stop them from doing that

[radiant tangle]

Only two

[remote moat]

I found nyxs one incredible helpful as a beginner

Especially if you pick the weapon with the 20% increase bonus

[toxic plover]

It's also great when you're taking multiple attempts to pass through a heat level/weapon combination, since you receive a big boost of life once you defeat a boss

Prolly only really useful early on tho

[remote saffron]

does anyone know if it is possible to send my hades save to someone else? my girlfriend Vivian has been playing on my machine via parsec and I want to send her her save file so hopefully she won't have to start over when she gets the game

[brisk trail]

PC/Documents/Saved Games/Hades

I guess that'd be under C:?

[remote saffron]

ah thanks

and then all the files for the respective one?

[brisk trail]

Anyway, grab all the Profile files, stick them in a folder, e-mail/USB them over to her computer.

[remote saffron]

dankon xP

[brisk trail]

I think that's it.

[remote saffron]

if she was only using, say, file 2, do I just need to do that with the profile2 files?

[brisk trail]

Yes.

[remote saffron]

thank you!

[tropic wave]

Is there a comprehensive guide on how to interpret the room-preview orbs? Like, what the different kinds of skulls mean, whether the laurel color means something, what sparkling indicates?

[cerulean iris]

there's a chart pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat !

[night turret]

It's a bit outdated but still holds

[radiant dune]

Is there any twitch or youtube channel from an experienced/ "high level/heat" player?

[clear pike]

hello there, i have a question if u can help me ?

[night turret]

fire away, if it's answerable

[shadow mist]

Wow, keys used to look much different, and less unsettling.

[night turret]

It's actually the case of: Guys we need an additional stuff to uprgade our new weapon Aspects. -> Like some kinda key? Yeah Sure put them in. -> Some time later -> Having 2 types of keys a bit confusing, let's change that. Ok, now it's blood, aaaand take that fancy-looking new key and change it with the old.

[novel arrow]

Game is

[timid ferry]

Still hoping the final weapon is a part of The Bolt. Attack: Tesla coil, special create a ⛈

[brisk trail]

Is it just me who never ends up using the right click ability?

I think that having a mechanic to easily recall those red gems instead of running over to them might help fix this, but it could just be my playstyle

[night turret]

Hermes's legendary is what you talking about.

And it definetly a playstyle issue.

[brisk trail]

Yeah, might be just me then. Will have to try and use it more to see if it's worthwhile

[night turret]

There are crazy powerfull cast builds

[brisk trail]

It's probably that it never feels good to me early game so I end up avoiding upgrading it

Which means it's always terrible at the endgame

[novel shadow]

Zagreus: *Kills an entire room of stuff"
Zagreus: You like that, you Gods?
Gods: Oh yes, daddy
Zagreus: Wat.
Gods:Wat.
Me:Wat.

[spice chasm]

Almost stayed home to play this lol

[buoyant flame]

quick question, is the game playable to the end yet, or is that only going to happen for the 1.0 release?

[night turret]

The game is playable, the story is not.

[buoyant flame]

OK, went ahead and bought it since it's on sale, but will probably wait to play it if you can't finish the game yet

thanks\

[brisk trail]

The game is finished it's just that Zagreus isn't able to get past the vast array of farming equipment and wagons in the outside world to progress.

[remote lily]

Things happen when you are Mortal

[woven ocean]

Zag voluntarily walking into pool of blood is my favorite

[alpine stratus]

he's a very nice guy and if you ask politely he'll just say SURE

[spice chasm]

Honestly the story isn't that important I think it really depends on what you want for me the gameplay is fantastic and that's all that really needs in my opinion

Aside from that though the little interactions that the characters have like if you die they say something different or someone mocks you it's just the very well done

[brisk trail]

@spice chasm Yeah, I completely disagree with you on that. The story can really make or break a game for me. Take Hollow Knight for example, without the story - it still would have been a good game, however, wouldn't make the list of my top 10 games ever played. Depends where the devs want to take it, you can always have another roguelite with almost no story (Binding of Isaac, Gungeon), or make something more unique.

[little hawk]

are zag and thanatos good bros or umm ehmm 👀

@spice chasm strongly disagree an engaging story acts as a great hook for me personally

a great gameplay can only hold me for so long

unless its monster hunter or souls

I am also actually willing to look past "average" gameplay if the story is great

[shadow mist]

Rogue likes don’t need story, usually. But good story is a huge plus.

[gleaming timber]

A friend just bought Hades on Steam and he doesn't know how to redeem the Pyre copy, anyone who bought the game on Steam can help?

[spice chasm]

For me gameplay before anything else but u should have both

Star wars was good example decent gameplay but bad story

[little hawk]

what star wars?

[spice chasm]

Fo

[little hawk]

bad story?

idk mate

[spice chasm]

Yea very bland

[next badge]

Pyre was added automatically to my libarry after buying Hades

[spice chasm]

Some jedi kids somewhere go find them maybe and nothing rly happens

[little hawk]

@gleaming timber he must have got a notification

[next badge]

So you should be able to download it immediately

[little hawk]

steam notification > pyre gift code>redeem

thats how i had to do it

didnt happen automatically for me

[gleaming timber]

Okay, we just found it on notifications, thanks :D

He is one of us now

[little hawk]

@spice chasm again,strong disagree ,its a great star wars story and i def enjoyed it way more than ep 7 and 8

then again star wars stories in general are kinda bland

it was a great story as far as star wars is concerned

[oak knot]

i hope they add Heracles as a boss someday since Zagreus already mentioned him a few times

[radiant lantern]

just make him a surface boss after the last boss EZ Clap

[spice chasm]

I mean they're just repeating themself at this point as far as Star Wars goes

If anything I want them to make an original game it doesn't just have to follow what happened between now and a new hope

[hallow flume]

sorry 🙂

[spice chasm]

Dyno bot to strong

[hallow flume]

guys this game is amazing

[spice chasm]

It is

[hallow flume]

the people at supergiant always deliver

loved bastion and transistor and i just got pyre and hades

[oak knot]

@radiant lantern agreed, also what a coincidence i also think Artemis is best girl

[novel shadow]

artemis best girl pffft, you ppl have gone mad

obviously, the coin urns are best girl.

I want a april fools event for hades where all the named characters turn into different-colored urns

[little hawk]

i am a simple man,aphrodite ftw 🏃‍♂️

[novel shadow]

|| ThURNatos||

[plush dagger]

Honetly Dusa was best girl til I met Artemis

sorry Dusa

[heady heron]

wow and here i thought everyone would love skelly

but i guess he's more of a bro

always taking the 'hit' for zagreus

[oak knot]

you know what's better than coin urns tho, food urns

[proven pebble]

ngl meg and dionisious are 🇫 🇮 🇳 🇪 🇦 🇫

[toxic plover]

man the grind does ramp up a ton after a bit eh

[heady heron]

all im gonna say is if i were going to a party with the bois skelly and dionysis would be my first picks

[oak knot]

no love for my boi Hypnos

[plush dagger]

am I the only one who thinks Hypnos is cute?

[oak knot]

Hypnos is cute, but not as cute as his brother

[dense pivot]

hypnos is a sweet innocent flower

too pure for this world

he just wants a nap

[radiant lantern]

Than is best boy tho

[arctic magnet]

i would argue hermes is

[oak knot]

I would love to have Than as a playable character

[arctic magnet]

a several second long buildup for 9999 damage sounds pretty good not gonna lie

[oak knot]

It's just doom but better

[dense pivot]

don't tell ares

[oak knot]

Yeah also don't tell Ares i have a poster of Aphrodite in my room

[runic tartan]

We don't tell Ares anything

[shadow mist]

Nobody tells poor Ares anything. So he just goes and is a Lord of the Edge in the corner.

[heady heron]

you know they really made ares look good in this game, not just a bulk of muscle

[sick jacinth]

Hello

i already yesterday bought hades on steam, there was write about copy of pyre

how to get this copy of game?

[sacred ether]

it's in your steam inventory

as a gift

you can rendeem or send to someone

[sick jacinth]

Thanks, i had 90 steam carts unreaded 😛

and didnt know this will be there 😄

[bleak dawn]

I think orpheus might be bugged for me? I didnt buy hi thing early on, and i havent seen it since. I would put it down to bad luck, but at some point zag said something about orpheus being back, which he is not.

[random horizon]

I'm pretty sure I've seen that line without even having seen the renovation for sale yet

I was just like "... Who? Where?"

[bleak dawn]

i saw the renovation on my first time back, and havent seen it since

[brazen storm]

do we know what god is being added in the next major update? i really like Hephaestus

[olive jungle]

The line playing without Orpheus being present is a known issue we're working on, as is ||the item to free him|| not being prioritized correctly

[paper walrus]

Are the best times glitched?

Also is there anywhere you can see the end run screen with max heat and times outside of the end of a run?

[olive jungle]

There is an issue with best times not updating properly, yes

[novel shadow]

wait a minute || You can free orpheus? Right now? ||

[paper walrus]

Yeah the best times at the end of the game dont match up with what I just got 😛

[brisk trail]

I think it would be great if we had a way of tracking our casted blood in large areas( hydra room, some places in Elysium and Asphodel for example). Something like red blood dots at the edges of the screen or something like that. As far as it is sometimes complicated to remember where are they especially using cast build. What are your thoughts ?

[paper walrus]

Okay I just beat my chaos shield and overall best time with 15:49.41 and the best time on the weapons menu says 15:54.57 k lol

an option to add an arrow to indicate discarded casts at the edge of the screen would be nice yeah

[hardy drum]

can someone explain to me what the "When you find a "black gem thingy that gives permanent upgrades" gain 20%" refers to?

20% of what?

20% more?

gain only 20% of the gems

[brisk trail]

Its about darkness

[paper walrus]

20% more darkness yes

not anything else

[brisk trail]

Resource for your mirror

[hardy drum]

ok, should definitely change that to gain 20% more

clearer that way

thanks 🙂

[grizzled escarp]

Hey guys, any advice on to deal with the Gorgon is Asphodel?

[jolly lodge]

play touhou for a few days and then go back to her

beside practicing with curtain fire games, there's only kill her before she kills you, and I find artemis' homing arrows are good in situations where you have to run more than fight

aphrodite's charm can also be useful

[lusty wasp]

any form of deflect from athena is also huge

[grizzled escarp]

Okay so its just about grabbing the right boons?

And I sort of blew my titan blood. Any way to grind that stuff out?

[jolly lodge]

and be really good at dodging; as for titan blood you can get one again after the second one if you switch weapon and fight the same boss

and then in post-game it's semi-random I think? I'm not sure about post-game

[grizzled escarp]

Switchifng weapons gives you another titan blood?

[obsidian jewel]

Titan blood sometimes shows up in the Broker's shop too.

[jolly lodge]

the same boss room that gives you your first titan blood gives one titan blood per weapon

[lusty wasp]

titan blood comes from the bounty for the first and fourth boss for each weapon and each difficulty once

[jolly lodge]

so if you fight her with sword and got the titan blood the first time, beating her with bow next time will give you another titan blood

[lusty wasp]

that and the shop in styx for 1500 gold or the broker randomly

even on difficulties/weapons already completed

[haughty stump]

How does boon upgrade stacking work?
Like, if I have a memento(40% chance of upgrade), and the yarn ball thingy(100% chance of upgrade), and a chaos boon(let's say, 30% chance of upgrade), how does it stack?

[grizzled escarp]

@haughty stump Until someone else can answer for sure: the damage is additively so I'm pretty sure that the boons are as well. So you'd have a 170% chance in your example.

[haughty stump]

170% chance, does it means it has 100% chance of being rare, and 70% chance of being epic?

[grizzled escarp]

That I have no idea

[haughty stump]

Also, on hera's bow...how does the 'loaded cast' work with multipliers?

Does cast increase the attack damage from the loaded arrow? Or attack increases the cast's damage?

[brisk trail]

No.

[haughty stump]

And how hera's bow interacts with artemis' boon on dropping faster?

Or the hammer boons with 'shoot more'

[brisk trail]

Quick Reload drops the timer even further. Max Hera with Epic Quick Reload brings it under 3 seconds, I think.

[shrewd veldt]

Getting killed by spikes is the worst

[tardy apex]

wtf where did my messages go

[alpine stratus]

hey, i dont see any logged deleted messages from you, what channel were you trying to type in?

[grizzled escarp]

Any hints for Tisiphone?

[tardy apex]

well anyway Hades: he has an attack that can one hit you?

Im pretty sure I was at 90+ hp

[lean ferry]

depends on your health, but he used to be a lot worse for it

[flint gust]

Tisiphone's pattern is rather simple - her stun-dash, melee thrashing, radial projectiles and aoe columns.

Don't get too close and learn to notice the stun telegraph.

Keep in mind, simple doesn't mean it's easy to avoid, especially when the walls are closing in.

[grizzled escarp]

Aight. Think I just need to be more patient.

Always trying to do maximum DPS rather than stay alive.

[runic tartan]

I've never really had a problem with her, the two times I've run across her. Meg's always the one I get hung up on. But that's probably cuz I prefer to stay at a distance or something

[hexed smelt]

@tardy apex please don't discuss spoilers such as ||the identity of the final boss|| in this channel!

[paper walrus]

It took me several horrible deaths to realise the final boss now spawns traps that are effected by the pact... had a few horrible and rapid deaths to that.

[prime shuttle]

Omg I'm watching new players stream and it's a blast. This one guy is streaming and his ~5 year old daughter comes in with some adorable commentary

Like how the game is too scary, but she likes Meg. It's her favorite even though she is too scary

[paper walrus]

Meg is awesome, and scary so that is fair

[prime shuttle]

Check out this clip! CrisisLoop streaming Hades! https://clips.twitch.tv/InquisitiveColdbloodedWitchKappaPride

Omg it's so good

[paper walrus]

Aha thats pretty dang cute

[prime shuttle]

She went to go on a walk with her mom

She was singing "Megara"

[paper walrus]

Its always funny what kids pick up on

[barren rune]

Now that I think about it, is Hades a bad ruler of the Underworld?

Yes, he's unpleasant to Zaggy, but there doesn't seem to be talk about how he's incompetent at his work.

[alpine stratus]

yeah, he seems good at his work!

[flat vapor]

not good enough to keep his son there

[junior galleon]

After early Access development for Hades is finished. Will they Stop devoloping it? Or will it become normal development?

[alpine stratus]

the house itself is swimming in the toxicity of his attitude, but for shades chilling in asphodel-elysium for thousands of years hes probably "uh, idk ok i guess"

its also work that seems emtirely unsuited for zag lolol

[flat vapor]

true they literally only see him once

[prime shuttle]

@paper walrus dude that steamer is in Elysium on his 3rd run

[alpine stratus]

theyre experience with zag is "unstoppable murderman" their experience with hades is "idk kinda gruff?", they dont know the real story

[prime shuttle]

He doesn't even have an aid and has a duo boon already

On that note how do I report a big? He didn't get the duo boon voice line.

[alpine stratus]

F10 in game!

[prime shuttle]

But it's not my game

[tulip lava]

the motto of the underworld is "we're dead! we're fine"

[prime shuttle]

It's a streamer's

[alpine stratus]

OH .... hm i guess the streamer would habe to report it then

[tulip lava]

hades is a bad landlord

still hasn't fixed the lava leak in asphodel

[prime shuttle]

I told him to report it

[alpine stratus]

hskfmvj

[tulip lava]

no matter how many dang times i report the lava

how am i supposed to sleep well at night when my bed is submerged in lava

[alpine stratus]

side note i LOVE that the solutiom to "the meadow got lava" was "okay have them redecorate with skull statues"

[tulip lava]

is that canon now

[alpine stratus]

NO BUT I ASSUME

[tulip lava]

asphodel wasn't just skull themed before

[alpine stratus]

I....GUESS IT COULD BE???

[prime shuttle]

He died to the butterfly room

[alpine stratus]

asphodel: the worlds most threatenong meadow

[tulip lava]

i mean, elysium's deco theme is... birds, eggs, and buff armoured dudes

[alpine stratus]

aawww F

[tulip lava]

is skull meadow really that weird

[flat vapor]

it could be nice skulls

flowery skulls

[paper walrus]

Crazy @prime shuttle took me a few runs to get there. Though I started playing when there was only 2 areas so 😛

[prime shuttle]

Yeah same I played on original launch. So when Elysium was launched I got there on my first run

[odd bramble]

Asphodel looks like it's the Fields of Punishment

Actual Asphodel is I believe the most boring place ever, but there's plenty of artistic license going on anyway

[paper walrus]

I love those melted people clawing out the lava

[grizzled escarp]

Any advice on weapons to use when you're new to the game?

Havent had much luck outside the bow

[lean ferry]

sword is good but risky, shield is cheese and so is the bows chiron aspect but you're new so i doubt you have the aspects yet, and the rail is good fun and quite strong if you upgrade it right

spear is bad in my opinion

[proud orbit]

Either sword or shield depending on how you like to play

[lean ferry]

good damage on its charge but its such a massive risk to even charge it partway

[grizzled escarp]

What makes them good for a newbie?

[strong heron]

shield is very defensible, sword has good damage. honestly though, if you're new, play whatever weapon has dark thirst.

[runic tartan]

Question, is there any way to see how many keys you have during a run?

[proud orbit]

Shield since you can block and sword since good damage

[strong heron]

try a lot of weapons, daedalus hammers, boons, etc

[lean ferry]

the sword does solid damage and can hit multiple people, but its close range so its risky

shield does as much damage as the sword and can block damage if you charge it, and you can throw it

spear is just a longer crappier sword

bow is bow, nothing to explain there

rail is odd, but good if upgraded right

[strong heron]

@runic tartan with the same button that pulls up boon info

[runic tartan]

ah, so it does! thanks

[strong heron]

no problem!

[novel shadow]

I want the next god to be leto, and for her very first words in the first dialogue meeting to be "ara, ara"

[prime shuttle]

He doesn't have aid, only unlocked Charon's trinket, and beat Theseusa

It's his 4th run!

HE HASNT' EVEN GOTTEN TO THE STORY PART WHERE HE FINDS OUT WHY YOU ARE ESCAPING

||AND ZAG IS LIKk "I GOTTA FIND MOMA"||

[barren rune]

Man. People do not like spear, I thought I was the only one XD

[fresh fractal]

Hello everybody, just joined and got the game, cant put it down, very enjoyable

[hard cedar]

I am in the minority here but, Spear is my favourite.

The "Hold down to attack constantly" upgrade, with the right boons, allows you to completely nuke and cheese bosses.

[barren rune]

Oh def, but that requires hoping for your 2 hammers to drop flurry at some point

[hard cedar]

Aye

[barren rune]

Great if it happens.

[hard cedar]

Though for cheesing bosses, Aphrodite's Call is the absolutely cheesiest.

[barren rune]

It's as revolutionary as triple special on gun, imo

2.5k damage anyone?

Skipping phases?

[proud orbit]

Pretty sure they patched that out

[barren rune]

D;

[hard cedar]

Can completely skip phases, especially on Hydra.

2,5k damage is enough to nuke all phases.

[barren rune]

Hydra is my least fav of the bunch. Least characterization, no conversations, and so many invulns.

[proud orbit]

It is but I'm also sure it's no longer possible since welcome to hell

[hard cedar]

You can use it to speed up the fight significantly.

Though Ares's call allows the same.

But, you can't build it back up to the full on the Hydra heads. So you can't completely cheese it.

But the Hydra is my least favourite boss in the game right now. It's tedious, slow- and the boss attack patterns are just bleh. I get messed up due to chip damage, and sometimes the Hydra miniheads decide to chill in the hazardous lava which is annoying to get to.

[brisk trail]

how do you free sisyphus? i paid the 10 diamonds but i dont see him anymore in Tartarus and i havent gotten the achievement for freeing him

is it not available yet?

Just gotta keep grinding until you see him next.

damn, i must be really unlucky. I've been through Tartarus like another dozen times and I havent seem him again. Thanks

[spice chasm]

god dem

done hydra be whack

[spice chasm]

jesus christ

3rd phase hydra is wack

[brisk trail]

question. When the game updates, does it wipe your previous save file?

[red coral]

no, you keep it even if you were mid-run!

[brisk trail]

also waddles, no matter what save file you have, you still.have to work your way through the game

[fresh fractal]

beat the hydra first try, jesus that was not an easy fight, THANK you god of wine and goddess of wisdom

[brisk trail]

the hydra beat me my first time, but never beat me after that

[feral fiber]

bro ya gonna miss some juicy story and dialogue if ya skip to the end

[small glade]

Just unlocked Zeus aspect and shield went from my most hated to one of my favourite weapons lol

It's SO GOOD with Zeus flourish

[spice chasm]

think ive died 3 times 2 him now

3rd phase is a beetch

been using spear almost had it last run but my boons were wack

[small glade]

Do you recognise what the different heads do?

A couple tips would be to try and clear the heads in such a way that you leave yourself a good safe zone behind a pillar to always be able to weave into, and learn which ones you like prioritising. You can burst individual ones down quite quick.

And for the main head itself, don't be zealous, because the attack with a storm of projectiles is no joke if you're not in cover. Hit it in recovery, hide, then wait for it to be done with whatever attack it does and attack again.

[brisk trail]

So unless I'm spectacularly wrong, the Hydra heads behave like Bloodless/Asphodel traps.

Their lunge is the basic Bloodless lunge, red heads fire Wavemaker blasts, blue heads spawn lava puddles, green heads spawn more Bloodless, and white heads have a ground pound.

[small glade]

Interesting comparison but yeah basically

I also see different colours in them
My personal priority is Red > Green > Orange(white)/Purple(blue)

[brisk trail]

I need to analyze Elysium enemies more, but both Tartarus and Asphodel do that, enemies prep your for the boss.

[sullen ember]

Elysium sorta does it as well

the shield enemies obviously prepare you for Theseus' shield

[brisk trail]

Yeah, the Exalted all basically do all of their attacks.

[sullen ember]

and the bow enemies prepare you for his spear throw

[brisk trail]

Greatshields have Theseus' spin, Longspears have Asterius' jumping attack, Greatbows are like Theseus' spear.

[sullen ember]

plus there's the random lone Astorius encounter you sometimes get

[small glade]

On most builds I find it harder than the butterfly

But the consolation prize is that Asterius has lower HP in the boss fight

[sullen ember]

On a side note, Astorius is a total bro and it sucks you can't gift him stuff

[small glade]

He calls you a manlet

[toxic plover]

Asterius by himself is fairly simple to Dodge most of his attacks, just gotta have some patience

[small glade]

Deffo don't stand near him if he's not done an attack in a while, most of his attacks have a telegraphed charging animation but he has an "instant" one too

[fresh fractal]

haha, playing 3 different gods boons combined feels like I am playing a tri colored MTG deck, also, my boons are getting upgraded with DUO perks, AThena + Ares is riduclous, just dash around deflecting everything and everybody gets hit by a doom

btw, how do deal with the bulls charge? I cant outrun him, do I have to bait him to a pillar?

[small glade]

You can dash through the pillars

[fresh fractal]

my dash does damage and immediately breaks them

[small glade]

So get him angled straight at a pillar then dash through it

He should still hit them I believe?

[fresh fractal]

alright, will try

he is my biggest obstacle right now

[normal valley]

@fresh fractal I deal with the Bull charge by baiting him into walls. You have to time it really closely though or else he'll have room to turn around. I try to have an invincibility Call Aid in case that happens.

[fresh fractal]

will athenas dash boon work for negating the dmage?

[brisk trail]

Yes.

[quartz linden]

minotaur has two "phases" right? As in I dealt with him for 3/4 of his health, he yielded and then he comes back w theseus right?

[brisk trail]

Yes, and he has Impervious phases at half and quarter health.

[rugged wren]

Well, Asterius isn't gonna risk his life early on, which is why if you run into him as a solo guardian, he'll retreat to fight you with Theseus.

[odd bramble]

but he dead

[rugged wren]

Question for the devs when they see this: given that Elysium is one of the areas, and the departed soul we can encounter is Achilles' best friend Patroclus, is there any chance we'll get to see Elysium's judge (Rhadamanthys) in a future update?

[brisk trail]

Has anyone cleared 32 Heat?

[left hinge]

Hey, quick question, from my understanding titan blood is gained once per weapon/heat level, do I need to reach the bounty heat thresholds or is it just every number? Eg does heat lvl 5,6,7 all give titan blood?

[dry tartan]

I have a Epic Cloud question. Could it be worked if I move my EPIC Hades saved file to steam version? I really need cloud file feature...or can we get support of EPIC Cloud Saves?

[brisk trail]

If you buy Hades on Steam and run it through that (don't know why you would, it runs better off the EGS) the game will pick up your save normally. You don't have to do anything.

Bounties increase incrementally for each level of Heat, currently up to 20. If you start on 20 Heat, you will still have to play through 20 runs for each weapon to unlock all the bounties.

[left hinge]

Ahh ok thx

Still on heat lvl 5

Picked the game up yesterday, been having a blast

[dry tartan]

@brisk trail All I need are Cloud saves..thx

[brisk trail]

You don't need cloud saves to continue EGS progress on Steam.

[left hinge]

I believe saves are local?

[brisk trail]

They are.

[left hinge]

So yeah

You should be fine just running steam on the same computer

[brisk trail]

Like I said, the game looks for the save in the same spot.

[rugged wren]

Wait, do heat levels start when you successfully escape?

[brisk trail]

Yes.

[left hinge]

Oh so mine aren't actually in effect?

[rugged wren]

Well, dang...I've only fought Hades twice :/

Both times were with the spear

[left hinge]

I haven't escaped yet either lmao

[brisk trail]

||Then how do you have Heat? You have to beat the final boss in order to unlock the Pact of Punishment.||

[left hinge]

Maybe it was a new update

When i started there was an option to select pact of punishment

So I just started with it

[brisk trail]

Weird.

Wait.

Are you playing on Hell Mode?

[rugged wren]

That might be it

[brisk trail]

That's Nintendo Hard Mode.

That might be why you're having trouble clearing.

[left hinge]

Oh maybe hell mode

Whatever the option thingo was

It's just harder right

Am I missing out on any content?

[brisk trail]

Kinda restrictively so, yeah.

No.

[left hinge]

Oh 😦

[brisk trail]

It's just Hard Mode, you're not missing any content.

[left hinge]

Yeah

I mean i've gotten to world 4

So not super concerned yet

Maybe if i'm still stuck in a few days

[brisk trail]

Glad to hear you're having fun.

[left hinge]

👌

[dry tartan]

@brisk trail I just need Cloud saves because I have two device to play the game , that's why I 'm considering buying a steam version or wait Epic cloud saves...

[rugged wren]

How many attempts has it taken people to finally defeat the big daddy?

[radiant lantern]

2 xD

Hades was the easier fight to learn than Theseus fight

[ripe stratus]

Took me 4 attempts.

[rugged wren]

Well now I feel stupid.

[remote lily]

I will make you happer

i have 170 tries and 30 wit success

[ripe stratus]

I only got to beat him once I had every mirror unlock maxed save the last two.

[radiant lantern]

my win rate been plummeting due to me trying more heat on spear

I don't even know what other things in mirror is for, I neglect almost everything causse of 2.5k darkness cap

[brisk trail]

Yeah, you should try regular mode.

[rugged wren]

I'm on my 17th run...

I mean, I just got it on sale last night

[brisk trail]

Take it at whatever pace you need to, man.

[ripe stratus]

Oh you meant how many runs before getting out? Mine was like 60 something. I only saw big daddy 4 times and got him on the 4th. You're totally fine.

[rugged wren]

Yeah...I meant escape attempts, not number of fights.

[radiant lantern]

yea, 2, 1st 2 areas didn't change much so it's still a breeze to run through them

[tranquil hollow]

i dont have function keys on my computer, just a fn key. is there a way to report bugs still given that there is no '10' key to press in combination with fn?

if not is there a place to report them here

[brisk trail]

Maybe try 0?

[tranquil hollow]

it worked, thanks

[barren rune]

Zeus or Chaos shield, which should I focus my blood on?

Poseidon sword, Hades spear, Hera bow, Hestia rail are my current focuses for each weapon. Not sure which shield variant to take 😛

[brisk trail]

I really like Chaos, haven't used Zeus much.

[barren rune]

I'm thinking Chaos also, heard good things earlier today about its upfront damage.

[night turret]

Zeus's has a steep learning curve

[fresh fractal]

Ok, so i think I encountered a bug....a very bad one for the particular build I was using this time, namely, I died and lost all of my casts

[night turret]

But it can do wonders then you master it

[barren rune]

What's exactly so good about Zeus? I unlocked level 1 for all weapons before looking to hunt specific variants. It puts out a slowly hovering disk that deals... 8 damage per tick?

[night turret]

Yes, on lower levels damage is not that impressive, BUT Dio's poison doesn't care about base damage.

Ares too.

[fresh fractal]

sorry, to late to report the bug, I already died sicne I couldn't do anything, since my build heavily relied on my casts and I got dusted

[barren rune]

Ohhh damn, right, per-hit boons benefit greatly.

[night turret]

And you can use it as a handy cover from Witches and their variant's.

[limber mauve]

Does anyone know if the +% damage bonuses stack multiplicatively or additively? E.g. if i get +50% bonuses 2 times, do i get 200% total damage or 225% total?

[brisk trail]

200%.

Crits and Heart Rend are the only things that are multiplicative.

[night turret]

You can kite enemies by recalling the shield and runing away. YOu can cheese that huge Snake stone in Styx by leaving it out and hidhing...

[limber mauve]

Thanks! @brisk trail

[lusty wasp]

zeus is really only good because it doesnt take an action using your special so you can use it any time - and thats bad gameplay

meaning no forced delay like the normal special

[brisk trail]

If, if, we're measuring gameplay, fun factor to the person playing it is all that matters.

[lusty wasp]

getting forced into choices is the opposite

[brisk trail]

So it's not fun for you, so you don't use it.

[lusty wasp]

nope - the reason to use it is mostly not because its 'fun' its because enemies are too fast for you to normally use the original special

the ways it can create gameplay is great but they work so rarely

[barren rune]

Can say the same for spear charge without Quick Charge from a hammer spawn

If you want a max charge, hope it was because you were spawncamping XD

[lusty wasp]

exactly the reason it gets buffed to no end and sword special gets nerfed

still doesnt change the problem

[brisk trail]

All of the spear's buffs have been for its special or regular attack, not its spin attack.

Quick Spin is one of the best hammers in the game.

[night turret]

You can dash with a charged spin to release in at the end of dash.

[barren rune]

Which 100% helps with spacing issues

[tranquil hollow]

does it automatically release at the end of the dash?

i assume so

[night turret]

Yup

[tranquil hollow]

btw i always wondered why zag wouldnt just kill asterius in the miniboss room

would make theseus a lot easier

[brisk trail]

Elysium is all about honorable combat, and Asterius yields.

[lusty wasp]

thats their rules - he doesnt have to follow that

[night turret]

Because making Theseus whatch his friend die before him over and over, and over is much better?

[brisk trail]

He obviously chooses to.

[lusty wasp]

but hes decent as is asterius

[tranquil hollow]

doing it to piss off theseus is a good a reason as any

[brisk trail]

Okay, there's trolling Theseus and there's, uh, that.

[lusty wasp]

would he still follow this if theseus was the miniboss?

exactly same conditions

i know i wouldnt

[brisk trail]

I mean, Theseus probably wouldn't yield.

[jolly lodge]

instead of trying to kill an already dead man (bull?) in a land where everybody is dead, shouldn't you think of binding them instead

like, magic ropes stuff

[night turret]

Yeah, like chairs with snakes huh?

[ripe stratus]

Wouldn't it not matter if you kill him early since he's bound to Elysium. He would prolly just respawn in the arena locker room and be side by side with Theseus by the time you got to him.

[ember stirrup]

How do you gain permission to post in the feedback channel?

[ripe stratus]

Read the pinned message in the feedback.

[shadow mist]

There's that pesky invuln shield bosses seem to be able to pull out on command. At least they're honorable about when they do it.

[ember stirrup]

Got it so it goes in phases

[shadow mist]

Shield throw needs a buff. The time it takes to return varies so dang much, and turning off your attack for such piddling damage doesn't make sense most of the time.

[limber mauve]

||Does Hades stop getting angry about Zagreus getting behind his chair after his (Hades') first death or is it a bug?||

[barren rune]

I just got Hera bow with +1 cast consumable and +3 cast Fully Loaded

7 casts on a heavy charge?

How much damage can this deal in a single shot?

[brisk trail]

Depends on how much damage you've got your Casts doing.

High leveled Tipsy Shot with a few Poms would break 1000 damage, easy.

[barren rune]

At the moment? 151 per shot via Zeus cast, wasn't the ideal one but not great luck on cast drops this run.

[brisk trail]

Yeah, that breaks 1000.

Then it starts bouncing around.

[barren rune]

Yeeeep.

Mind you, Hera bow on Zeus cast is clunky because the lightning bolts can bounce around and end up in inaccessible places.

[brisk trail]

I don't like Electric Shot for that reason.

[barren rune]

It's got good mobbing, but that inconsistency is dangerous.

I had a lot of success on an Aphrodite cast with Hera bow, the cone AoE originates from the first target hit.

So lining up enemies and killing them all with a single shot is extremely satisfying.

[shadow mist]

The fact that the temporary ending has voice acting is hilarious

[tranquil hollow]

yeah i was surprised by that

and the bits of dialogue in the House referencing it too

asterius needs better friends

he's too good for Theseus

[covert rose]

Hey hey! So quick question. Does anyone know how the Affinity system works in Hades? Like why are there hearts with a timer on them, why should I keep giving nectar beyond the first keepsake, and can I loose affinity with certain god's? '_'

[tranquil hollow]

the timer seems to mean you cant make any more progress. maybe its content that will be released in a future update

and i dont think you can lose affinity, since I've gotten gods mad at me in Trials (where you pick between two boons) and it doesn't affect the progress in the codex

[covert rose]

Well that's a yikes, clearly my Artemis dating sim is over for the time being xD (thanks anyway)

[night turret]

Dusa is the best Girl.

[night pecan]

I just noticed the sale on steam and that it's early access.. and that I do not own the game but I SWEAR I played it a while back?? Was there ever open alpha/beta testing at some point or am I going crazy?

[night turret]

Epic store maybe?

[night pecan]

Nope, I don't own anything on the Epic store.. I feel like I'm losing my mind here haha

[tranquil hollow]

seems like the athena dash is by far the best one if you dont have other synergies

[remote moat]

i finally beat the endboss for the first time = D

||but what a cop out xD||

[winged coral]

I just did as well, haha! Good job 😄

[remote moat]

after dieing to the boss ||in his first form|| with the shield

it kinda was a cakewalk with the gun

and the tripple shot on it

[winged coral]

I actually got it done with the Shield after dying with the Rail a few times

Rail is busted at the moment though haha

[echo locust]

I made it to ||his second form|| and then died and I was so tilted

that's the only time I made it to him today

[winged coral]

I've been getting to ||the second form|| pretty consistently, and then getting wrecked as well! ||There's a few attacks that seem to chip at me a bit and they take me down over time. The lasers especially don't have a great tell.||

[remote moat]

yeah i was happy i had the athena call

to basically skip those

when they came up

and shoot him over the wall with the gun

when they came up

[last shell]

Hello I’m new here, I have some questions about the game, do I ask here?

[remote moat]

sure

[last shell]

Since this is early access, will I lose all progress when it goes official?
And do I need to play a lot to get Thanatos? I have like 17~ attempts so far

[remote moat]

check #hades-faq

for the first question

[night turret]

I think chances of Than showing up bound to you taking damage.

[last shell]

Alright thanks~

[fallen laurel]

How do you think, could they add a duo with Poseidon and Aphrodite and name it "Poseidon's kiss"?

[night turret]

Let's just... Not gonna mention that again please?

[fallen laurel]

But everyone wants to increase their damage from the back :c

[night turret]

I'm just gonna assume that you didn't see that cursed image. Good for you but for the less unfortunate... No, never again.

[fallen laurel]

I have some wrong thoughts and it's one of those

[latent verge]

i see that Thunder-God's Fury is a prerequisite for some boons, but there's no such boon in the wiki list?

[night turret]

Wiki is outdated.

[latent verge]

so what is that now?

zeus attack?

[lusty wasp]

i think its the call

[night turret]

Only thing that I know about Zeus is that you take attack/cast you take extra bounses and a legendary and you dont need zeus anymore.

[lusty wasp]

looking at the wiki - quite certain its the call now

[latent verge]

but the attack boon is not listed as a prereq for zeus tier 2

that's the issue

[lusty wasp]

zeus has 2 different types of lightning - chain(attack and cast) and bolt(the other 3)

thunder gods fury must be the name of his call before they all got renamed(and when they were called wrath abilities)

[hoary ore]

Hey, what does the improved Ambrosia you get from beating the duo do?

Also can you equip only 1 Gift at a time?

*Keepsakes not gifts

[night turret]

1)You can gift it later
2)Yes

[hoary ore]

Thanks, also is there a place to switch keepsakes before you fight Hades?

I forgot to check if you can swap it out after run through all the rooms

Or do you only do it right after a boss fight in the little corridor where you can sell/buy stuff and swap out

[lusty wasp]

only at the start of styx (and only if you bought the option to witch between biomes from the contractor)

[night turret]

Dont drop names in the spoiler free channel-please

[haughty trench]

is there a limit on how much you can obtaion the purple stuff that you use in the mirror

[lusty wasp]

no

but there is a heat option on the pact that limits it

(and as i understand that one is always enabled in hell mode)

[haughty trench]

which weapon is better to use?

the shield or spear?

[lusty wasp]

whichever you want to use

weapons are balanced well enough that preference should matter more

but most might find shield a bit easier i think

[novel arrow]

Yeah, pretty much.

Block

But spear range is nice on a melee weapon.

[hard cedar]

Plus the dash attck of the spearis actually decent for burst.

[oak knot]

shield can make easy work out of bosses, especially the final boss

[halcyon void]

@balmy aurora Huh I thought I tried that. Guess I might have been against a different Fury. Still applies for Than though. By the way you should reply to feedback in a different channel.

[grizzled escarp]

Does Meg ever chat to you again or is she just done with you after the first few fights?

[night turret]

She has a lot more

You just need to get to know her more

[grizzled escarp]

Ah okay. Twice I've had her basically tell me to bugger off.

Wondered if she'd eventually ease up later or if thats just the dialogue ending.

[night turret]

There is only one way to find out. Keep those Nectars coming.

[grizzled escarp]

Ahhh so more Nectars helps after you get the item.

Thanks!

[haughty trench]

Who should i give all of my nectar

op artifact who has it

[feral fiber]

is it just me or does Than's keepsake not tick up even if you dont take damage in the Styx rooms?

[barren rune]

Hm. Question, what good are Ambrosias?

How many should I hang onto? I'm tempted to turn them into Titan Blood out of impatience for weapon upgrades, but haven't gotten to the point of needing to use them instead of nectar.

[night turret]

Keep them.

[grizzled escarp]

@barren rune Well you got 1 artifact per person.

And then giving more apparently unlocks story.

[night turret]

They serve as Gifts and Upgrade material.

Yeah, they taking a while to show up, but they really a much more rare than blood

[grizzled escarp]

Ambrosia is rarer than blood??

[night turret]

Yup.

[grizzled escarp]

Oh wow, thats not my experience so far 😛

[trail stag]

Yh but you're an eldritch horror

[feral fiber]

ya get 2 or more bloods per run. tartarus and final boss and maybe styx.. but only 1 ambrosia

[austere rain]

Do you know how i can unlock the four secret stash ?

[grizzled escarp]

Hold on what do you mean 2 blood per run @feral fiber? I thought you could only get them once per boss.

I've only JUST gotten to the Elysium boss right now

[feral fiber]

final boss gives blood too

kinda spoilery i guess my bad

[grizzled escarp]

Ohhhh wait

I was mistakign Ambrosia for

Hold on

The other drink

No worries its actually good

I thought I wasted my blood 😛

[feral fiber]

ye nectar and ambrosia are diff now. nectar was called ambrosia before iirc

[grizzled escarp]

Do I need to change weapons to get the Ambrosia?

From the Arena?

[covert rose]

Yeah that's the one

The B I G bottle of goodness that I don't think you can gift just yet ;_;

[feral fiber]

you can only get rewards from bosses 1 time per weapon (until you unlock something after u beat the final boss)

dont know how to spoiler tag so im trying to be vague

[covert rose]

Better safe than sorry

But yeah now am just patiently waiting for some affinity update

Characters in this game are just too good and I need more interactions

[toxic plover]

While ambrosia is rarer than blood you need a whole lot less of it

It's 180 blood to max out every aspect if thats what you going for

[grizzled escarp]

Question: just came across poison and my HP went from 150 to 60, am I missing something?

[toxic plover]

Yes, the Mandrake pools heal ya by pressing RB

More like cure than heal

[grizzled escarp]

Thanks

So your not meant to take the full damage

[covert rose]

Fell for the same thing

[austere rain]

Nobody know how to unlock the four secret stash ?

[covert rose]

It would be heartbreaking of you had to take all that damage 0_0

Not me, sorry ;_;

[austere rain]

I try to find on steam discutions, steam guide, Hades Wiki, google but i found my answer nowhere...

Ho i didn't try to found my answer on the bible

I will search for you

[toxic plover]

You gotta ||finish select characters stories, one per secret stash item||

[austere rain]

Ho wich characters ?

[covert rose]

In the codex I assume

The book thingy, or whatever you call it

[toxic plover]

||Skelly, Sisyphus, Thanatos, Megaerna|| for now

[versed lintel]

What do the locked hearts and the hearts with the clocks on them mean in the codex above people?

[grizzled escarp]

So you have to unlock their hearts first before you can use the better item on them?

[versed lintel]

@feral fiber Yeah, they don't count as rooms exactly, so than's keepsake falls off there

Maybe the final rooms do, but haven't tested it yet

[fresh fractal]

Guys,. any tips on dealing with a full room of armored enemies, I just get overwhelmed and cant deal with them unless I have armor break upgrade

its especially brutal when they are all shield bearers

[versed lintel]

@fresh fractal try not to get cornered and focus on the ranged enemies, it's easier to take down the melee's afterwards

Shieldbearers are hard to defeat while there are other things to worry about

[fresh fractal]

its really hard not to get cornered, I failed my last run, literally lost all my lives in one room, couldnt get to the ranged enemies cause shield were always on the way, and when I could break the armor and even down the spearmen and archers, even the eyeballs were armored and I couldn't take them down fast enough and they rezzed

wasnt a room that gave many options to move around

there was also that pink ball that shoots out butterflies

that was also armored

and like an elite version of the normal ones

bigger

badder

meaner

[grizzled escarp]

What weapon were you using?

[versed lintel]

Ohh, that's a pain

pinker

[proud orbit]

Oh you're talking about the boss room

[fresh fractal]

no, normal room

[grizzled escarp]

The best trick I found it you need some sort of AoE weapon

I had Zeus

Bolts and Wine guys AoE damage and slow

[fresh fractal]

I was using shield with zeus+poseidon

lots of aoe

[grizzled escarp]

Made those rooms a LOT easier IMO.

[proud orbit]

If it had a bigger butterfly ball it was the miniboss room

[grizzled escarp]

Hmm, don't go for the kill. That was the mistake I was doing.

Just kill front to back.

Trying to zero in on one guy is how i kept losing.

[proud orbit]

If you don't have enough damage to kill the souls as they spawn

Just focus the butterfly ball

[grizzled escarp]

^^

That

[fresh fractal]

I tried ignoring the shields and pinker, going for the archers cause they were the most troublesome, but yeah, just too many enemies in too small of a space

[proud orbit]

Souls keep spawning to a maximum of 6 or 8

[grizzled escarp]

Yeah archers are for sure the worst.

[proud orbit]

If you're too slow killing souls it's pointless til you kill the ball

[fresh fractal]

didnt have the best luck with boons either that run, all my damage legit came from relying on shield lob that bounced between enemies and used poseidons knockback with zeus chain lighting casts

[versed lintel]

@grizzled escarp shieldbearers are worst offenders imo

[grizzled escarp]

Yeah they are a pain in the ass but they dont really do much damage if that makes sense.

For me the whole point in Hades i keeping your life total up.

[fresh fractal]

shieldbearers are easy when using the sword and you get the sword wave attack

[versed lintel]

@fresh fractal you'll get 'em next time, just keep going😉

[fresh fractal]

goes right through them

was the build I had on my first theseus kill

[hardy drum]

any point in giving more than 1 nectar to someone?

[proud orbit]

Shield bearers are easy til there's a lot of em lol

[fresh fractal]

made it all the way to final boss with it...and got destroyed cause I had no lives left XD

[proud orbit]

Noh spoilers in here @fresh fractal

[fresh fractal]

ooh, sorry

[hardy drum]

Is there a max nectar level for characters? Gave like bunch to the shop guy and there is always an extra empty heart afterwards

[fresh fractal]

there is a limit I think

3 I believe

I dont get prompts for NPCs I have given 3 to anymore

namely Meg, Ach and Nyx

I guess the rest fill out by talking and maybe maxing their trinket?

[hardy drum]

makes sense

[fresh fractal]

the final heart might require the vintage panacea

[night turret]

*ambrosia

[fresh fractal]

yh that

[feral fiber]

3? had to give Than 6 before i get the locked heart icon

[oak knot]

ah poor uncle Poseidon, hated by everyone

[barren rune]

Poseidon's chill, yo!

Sad boon set, though.

[strong heron]

i've had a few runs where i had tidal dash + sea storm + jolted and ruptured, that was pretty fun

privileged status just by dashing

takes five boons though

[barren rune]

I got lucky with Poseidon cast + second wave shenanigans and rupture

[oak knot]

i'm having a run with 3 duo boons and 2 of them related to Poseidon, the other one is Ares+Aphrodite

[brisk trail]

I am really liking that God mode. I am not very good at games like this, but I still enjoy them, so having that god mode is a huge plus for me.

[spice chasm]

I sucks but game fun

Rn I'm gated at hydra

Thered a frustration factor but it's more fun then it is frustrating

[queen tinsel]

Hi, can you help me? What is rank? There is no info in wiki. How can I up my rank?

[brisk trail]

I keep dying with in 3 chambers after fighting Meg.

@queen tinsel There are mirror ranks, so you gain a new rank when you spend more tears in it. There are Boon ranks, in which you get those ranked up by having the gods keep on sending you their boons, which if you keep on pick one that does the same thing as your current boon, without replacing it, then you rank up in what that boon will do.

You keep on getting the boons from the gods as you complete a chamber that had a door that matches that God's symbol.

[queen tinsel]

@brisk trail So, there are 2 ranks. Mirror rank affect abilities, so i just need to spend more tears and evolve. And boon rank will also affect me abilities, right?

[brisk trail]

@queen tinsel Boon's effect what your attacks/specials/dash/magic do, like more damage, and are temporary. Mirror effects a lot of different, like more damage, but also other stuff like that ability to gain 50% health back when you would have died normally, and other things, and are permanent.

[brazen storm]

is there anyone who can accept ambrosia right now?

[queen tinsel]

@brisk trail ok, i understand about effect they give. I ask how can i level up rank for mirror. There is pic

@brisk trail I cant use pictures. Here example: Each rank gives you +1 Cast Ammo for your Cast.

[brazen storm]

you spend the shadow points, if you cant click the + go farm more

if you havent unlocked the buff go farm keys

[brisk trail]

In the Mirror, there are a lot of abilities that you have to unlock first with keys, and then once you unlock them, you can start spending the shadow tears into them to rank them up.

You can earn keys in the chambers if you choose the chambers with a door that have the key on it. You can also buy keys from the the trader in the house, after that part of the house is repaired, and buy the keys using the shadow tears.

@queen tinsel you’re gonna have to grind for a bit in order to unlock the mirror upgrades. They significantly make completing runs easier.

Might I suggest going for things that increase value of Shadow Tears? There are boons from Chaos and Posideon that increase their value.

[oak knot]

@brazen storm there're 4 i think

[brazen storm]

who are they?

[oak knot]

Thanatos, Megaera, Sisyphus and Skelly iirc

[queen tinsel]

@brisk trail @brisk trail Thank you, now I get it!

[brisk trail]

@queen tinsel No problem, enjoy the game.

[balmy mural]

Anyone know if pierced butterfly still gives it's damage bonus if you switch out from it?

I've been assuming it did, but re-reading it, I feel like I might be dumb.

[night turret]

No you lose it

[balmy mural]

damn

And all +% damage is additive? incl. the butterfly?

[iron snow]

Finally reached the last level with the dog guarding... Is the door to find the treat random?

[brisk trail]

yep

can't be the first you go to tho

[balmy mural]

I think it's never the elite doors?

[brisk trail]

it was in the elite on my first time there

[iron snow]

I got mine from 2nd door from left, non elite

Barely made it through... Hate the rats

[brisk trail]

they're annoying if you don't have any waveclear yeah

but they have 1hp

[iron snow]

The toxic is the deadly part for me

[brisk trail]

unless you're talking about the big ones

did you use the wells at all?

[iron snow]

• laser shooting

Yes figured that out a bit late

[brisk trail]

yeah there being no prompt to tell you about them is a bit dumb

weird mechanic to add at the very end without any indication tbh

[iron snow]

Managed to go through and know the last boss. But died since health was very low

Next try

[brisk trail]

yep, he's big and hunky, have fun dying

[iron snow]

Fun :)

Really good game. Dying is not that meaningless with the story progression

I stopped playing deadcells which i was enjoying for 2 weeks but Hades gave more meaning to the gameplay.. So here i am

Is hades 1st of its kind as in rougelike with a story/progression after death?

[brisk trail]

with progression - no ofc not
story, maybe? haven't tried them all

[iron snow]

There's still so much to play/grind even when i do beat the final boss. Good job devs... Totally worth the $

[brisk trail]

@iron snow Once you reflect at the Mirror enough, your builds are gonna start being a lot more fun and powerful. Especially once you max out the ones that increase % of Rare and Epic boons

[rugged wren]

I'm still trying to collect enough keys to open those reflection paths

[iron snow]

I still have not use cast and call yet. Somehow feel it is out of the way especially I'm quite early game. Will explore those after i have the upgrades from the mirror

[rugged wren]

If you're using a controller, Cast is simply your shard attacks (B on XB and Logitech controllers)

[iron snow]

For the weapons upgrades, is the titan blood easy to come by later. I only have 1 from meg. Still keeping it cause not sure which upgrade to use it yet

I'm playing sword fully on keyboard

Works better for me without mouse

[rugged wren]

You get Titan Blood once for each weapon you defeat the Furies with.

Afterwards, you have to trade keys with the Lounge shade

Five keys per Blood

IIRC

[iron snow]

Ahh.. Still can't trade keys for blood yet

[rugged wren]

Right, the Lounge opens up after you've gone through a few runs because storywise, they're still trying to sort out the Lounge after Cerb trashed the place.

[iron snow]

My lounge is opened but the trade option is limited

[toxic plover]

@iron snow Wizard of Legend has story/progression with death since you're doing some wizardly trials yourself, but Hades' story is much deeper than that for sure

[north parrot]

i think the trades change every x runs/deaths

[rugged wren]

The limited-time ones are. The normal trades have a static rate

At least as far as I know, since I have Ambrosia from clearing Elysium

[iron snow]

Oh ok. Then I have to check the trade every run then. Cause i skipped the trading after seeing it with limited choices

[rugged wren]

Yep, do that. I've gotten great deals from the limited-time offers, such as getting three keys for only twenty-five Darkness

[iron snow]

I'll keep an eye on wizard, saw it b4 didn't look further cause reviews seems average

[toxic plover]

It's fun but wasn't satisfying imo

but that's a bit off topic

[iron snow]

Hades has set a high standard

Yup

[rugged wren]

I got it two nights ago because I'm a huge enthusiast for Greek mythology. Was a bit disappointed that Rhadamanthys was missing from Elysium. He's normally a huge part of the realm because he's the judge of the dead there.

[runic tartan]

"early access". they've dropped hints that a new god is coming. And there's still 2 locked doors. I can't confirm who the new god(s) is, but they've got room to expand to include Rhadamanthys

[toxic plover]

Next god is 99% ||Demeter|| according to the sillhouette from the end of the youtube video

[vale kite]

it's not "hints"' they literally revealed their silhouette

[toxic plover]

unless that was a super bait :p

[iron snow]

I'm not familiar with the mythology.. Where is a good place to read? Or movie to watch?

[toxic plover]

the thing about mythology is things differ a lot from source to source, but the big two are the Illiad and the Odyssey I suppose

[iron snow]

Ok will google those

[toxic plover]

ofc wikipedia is a good pointer to get the gist of it and perhaps point you in the right direction 🙂

[iron snow]

Ok thanks

[brisk trail]

@iron snow
If you want to read the entire trio, the order is Iliad, Odyssey, then Antigone.

Funnily, the books were written backwards

[iron snow]

Thanks for the direction

[marble heath]

I also highly recommend Circe if you want a contemporary take on the mythology.

[rugged wren]

@brisk trail Antigone is not part of that trilogy. It's Oedipus Rex, then Oedipus at Colonus, then Antigone.

[red frigate]

If theres a #h1-story-discussion does that mean this channel is spoiler free?

[tulip ravine]

Though it'd be funny if you read Odyssey and then jumped to Antigone

[rugged wren]

@tulip ravine I think mcdonalds meant Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid, although the Aeneid is in Latin rather than Greek.

[tulip ravine]

That makes sense

[brisk trail]

Oops. Confused my books.
I’m no expert by any means lol

[marble heath]

Funny, my brain actually substituted Aeneid there.

[radiant lantern]

@red frigate not exactly, you can still post spoiler with a spoiler tag properly

don't abuse it tho

[vale kite]

i am 60 gemstones away from buying the west hall fountain

achilles needs some furniture

[shadow mist]

Supergiant has come a long way. All the way from “gods ain’t gonna help you, son” to “gods, stop helping my son!”

[vale kite]

a decadent acquisition https://i.imgur.com/TEL3Bkq.jpg

[remote lily]

I will be happy when i will be able to pass one of these doors haha

[vale kite]

omg the fountain tracks the amount of fountains you've used in runs

[lusty wasp]

yea 🙂

do you have any already or start at 0?

[vale kite]

no it's been tracking all along

[brisk trail]

the math is easy though, it's just total runs x 3 :^)

[vale kite]

i'm at 177

no it's not that easy ackchually

some runs you wont find fountains or you dont make it through all the biomes

cute https://i.imgur.com/e2BA6Iq.jpg

[lusty wasp]

interesting - i was constantly at 0 before the update and it only then started

so im way lower

[vale kite]

also it looks like the east hall fountain can only be purchased after buying the west hall fountain

it's only 4k gems instead of the previous 10k

"only"

[lusty wasp]

why? im quite sure i saw all 4 items offered before

[brisk trail]

and then you can buy a 5k fountain to replace hades when he's not in town

[lusty wasp]

before i got any of them i mean

[vale kite]

yeah they used to show up together on contractor purchases but ever since the update it hasnt been like this

[lusty wasp]

oh ok

[vale kite]

at least for me

see here https://i.imgur.com/9QhEP4H.jpg

[remote lily]

I wonder if the Zag room will be soon similar to what we have in Transistor

But overall the whole house is like this soo ..

[fresh fractal]

AND I HAVE DONE IT, what a fight that last one!!

[covert rose]

Then comes sadness, the realisation that you've just finished a good ass game

[mystic pine]

Hiya! Does anyone know if Doom effects gain the damage increase from Chaos boons?

If I have a special that inflicts Doom, does the Chaos boon that increases Special damage also increase damage of the Doom effect?

[fresh fractal]

no

only the initial special hit dmg increases

[mystic pine]

Damn, thought so :/ would've been too broken 😅

[fresh fractal]

doom is already broken imo

[covert rose]

it doesn't stack ;-;

[fresh fractal]

you can make it stack

with a certain boon

[covert rose]

which? '-'

[fresh fractal]

but its rare

[mystic pine]

The boon that makes doom stack

[fresh fractal]

I dont know it by name, i've gotten it like twice

[lusty wasp]

not really stack, just have multiple hits increase its damage

Dire Misfortune

[covert rose]

aaaah

makes sense

[lusty wasp]

its 10 damage per additional hit on epic

[covert rose]

but still, the thought of multiple dooms hitting the one target seems fun

but borken

[fresh fractal]

you can stack multiple abilities tho, like doom+lighting+seeking arrow

still broken

[mystic pine]

Damage increase on the target still increases doom damage?

[covert rose]

seeking arrow though is my fav, even if its not that powerful without further upgrades

[lusty wasp]

yea general damage increase from lets say the butterfly keepsake, privileged status or general crit chance do work for doom

[fresh fractal]

I only try to get seeking arrow when I use the sword or ....gun?

[mystic pine]

The most broken run I've had was with War cast, got all the upgrades and the seeking duo on it with insane damage buffs :p

[fresh fractal]

when I use spear, doom all the way, when I use shield, then I try to get weaken

[covert rose]

I think my general liking for Artemis and them crits makes me always choose her boons '_'

[fresh fractal]

My first clear just now was completely mental, I was literally immortal

yet did insane dps

[lusty wasp]

on shield i like doom on special, weaken on attack

[fresh fractal]

yeah, I was trying to get doom and bounce on my shield, but no lucjk

ares never offered and daedalus never gave me the upgrade

so I beat the game basically by just bullrushing

and blade whirling

[covert rose]

I bet the game with yeeting an exploding spear all the time

[mystic pine]

How much darkness do you guys have?

[covert rose]

dont remember really

a bit I suppose '-'

[lusty wasp]

too much - im always hoping they add a way to trade it at the broker

like 30k over max

[covert rose]

yup thats alot xD

[mystic pine]

I only have 15k :

👀

[fresh fractal]

darkness?

the purple gems?

[covert rose]

yeah

[fresh fractal]

right now I have 500, went nuts and splurged, bought every upgrade at the mirror

[lusty wasp]

the last option is insanely expensive

[opaque agate]

is there anyway to reduce FPS or disable v sync ?

[fresh fractal]

lower your resolution

[lusty wasp]

it could be possible to force it through graphics driver settings

[fresh fractal]

you can force it through nvidia control panel yeah

or its equivalent for ATI cards

jesus, I cant type, that 60 hour marathon took a toll on me

bb, going to sleep

[covert rose]

60 hours....

nah dude you surely bet that game earlier '-'

[fresh fractal]

the game was just too much fun, dont judge me