#h1-discussion
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i mean, i'd say probably not, but we got dionysus and the rail in the same patch, so who knows really
Probably only Hermes
my guess is that it's just our boy hermes, tho
Next weapon has a high chance of being a Scythe
On account of it being Demeters weapon
i mean, that's just, like, your opinion, bro
holy the scythe is gonna be so cool
I mean, I said "high chance", not guaranteed
yeah, well.
Cool
But the weapons generally fit their god, and when it comes to Demeter, Scythe is an obvious choice given her status as a goddess of harvest
Is Demeter even mentioned in game?
Its even Thanatos weapon, so it could be i mean
Not directly
@hexed smelt so do I put points in Olympian favor before going after gods pride
look, i'm gonna put this honestly as i know how: do whatever. put your points wherever.
But the 6 weapons are those of the 6 elder gods
play the game.
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you're not going to have as much fun with it if you're constantly tabbing back to discord fretting over what is the Most Optimal Way To Do Things
Demeter is the last one
I went down the list in order.
just, like, play the game and get a feel for it. it's all fine.
if you don't like where your points are, refund them and stck them somewhere else.
@hexed smelt I just like asking questions

I enjoy the game that's why I ask
updat wer
points at name
oh noes
We have waited a month a day won't kill
mod abuse :C
The coolwhip
Quick no-heat run to celebrate patch release? Quick no heat run.
any ETA on when update drops
points at name
soon
sigh
Probably tom moron
Because soon for me would be within 2 hours
no, there's no ETA. best estimate is probably about noon-ish PST but that's not a guarantee
its says 11th and 11th is soon to be over for me
most of the time it is around 9 ish for me
I keep looking at the side bar update soon
in 3 to 4 hours that is
it might happen on the 12tb in your time zone then! The time corresponds to pst
i see
What's pst
pacific time
Petrifying sadist time
pacific standard time
Yeah, they are in San Francisco as far as I know
Wait.. supergiant is in the USA?
yes
ye!
apologies for my ignorance but what is ''no heat runs'' I keep hearing it
runs without using heat, presumably
and what is heat ๐
heat can be used to make the game harder.
the second boss awards heat and enables heat chamber rewards.
and there are rewards when you finish game with certain heat levels
cosmetic rewards or gameplay enhancing rewards?
If you finish the game at 200 Heat, you actually become an SGG employee in charge of game design and balance.
a'ight thx
If you finish the game with 200 Heat Amir visits you in real life and gives you a choice between a Physical Collectors Edition of Transistor, or a hearty handshake.
18h51 in France Still nothing? Normal?
yup! have patch-ience
im running 200 because that sgg job offer is my only chance of employment
I thought it was because you were afraid of Haelian's skill.
I am too, that's why I just try to route and theorycraft 
(shhhhhh)
My guess is the patch name will be "The Quick and the Dead"
Gib Update? Plox?
If they had waited to add Tisiphone and Alecto until this patch, it could've been named "The Fast and the Furious"
NOOOOOO
Goddamn that would have been good
Here's how you bow:
You equip the bow.
Right before you go leave, you turn around, and equip any other weapon.
Can be decent if you have the instant shot path in Daedelius hammer
waiting for the update like.
everyone on this server is waiting for the patch haha
i love it
im anxiously waiting too
its 7pm here
where patch
where patch at

tech companies dont start working until 11am minimum
go sleep
never
Patch will be here when you get off work
what do we want?
patch!
When do we want it?
YESTERDAY
I want the next biome right now
Do you think they'll have the real ending during early access? Or wait until retail release
play during work
the ending will probably be added with release, if I had to guess
As far as I know the ending will be in 1.0
Im not sure if there will be a "real ending"
what do you think the next weapon would be?
im thinking mechanically what is lefT?
a mace?
fists
sickle
Scythe someone guessed. Or a hammer. I'm just thinking god of war weapons.
FISTS
Fist weapons were in GOW as well
tbh just take every bastion weapon
The forgery of Thanathos omg please XD
mortar
transistor is confirmed next weapon
boomerang sounds fun, but is it thematic?
(why a sickle? because demeter)
scythe sounds cool, probably AOE weapon
Would also have to fill a niche the other weapons don't fill
we don't have many super short range weapons
daggers
Pyre's Orb
@hidden sonnet I donnt really think the Rail, being a rocket launcher is really thematic either haha
They just made the design thematic so I guess they could do everything
ahaha very good point
thats why the olympian gods were cool - they had GUNS
i need hermes to have sunglasses
we have 3 meele weapons and 2 ranged, i think it's gonna be 3rd ranged
else 0/10 game
Okay I have waited long enough. Where's the pitchfork and torches
We already have pitchfork in the spear
timezones
i'm guessing some throwing daggers or magical staff
7pm in Europe, don't drop it the middle of the night SG !

You're just gonna wield Dusa

Would be cool if they implemented a bow into the game
Id never use Dusa as a weapon, she...? Is lovely
middle of a boss fight straight up: "Byee!"'s you
Id like to see a fear mechanic
Yup, could be really cool, we already have charm*
It's gonna be
A Balista
It'd be useless against bosses sadly
...two sickles.
fast chained attacks, bigger damage on consecutive hits.
range of 'right next to you'
Boomerang sickles
What is it? In fact the update is for tomorrow?
just got this game as a birthday gift, its so amazing
In an old, allegedly banned, game, Postal 2, you could mount a cat or dog on a machinegun and shoot from it. I guess they could mount Dusa on the Adamant Rail and shoot stones.
you must have some very nice friends
Allegedly banned?
Postal 2 isn't banned in the US, it is in several other countries though just like Manhunt.
Why so?
Eh, theres so many of "those" games now which just seem to be baiting the controversy for sales
Yup, your friend have very good taste @storm fractal . I strongly advise you to check other games from this studio. They're all video games gems.
Last one I bothered to remember was hatred
Postal is pretty controversial.
@tepid knot I am already a big fan of thiers. Pyre is just incredible.
Its a fake sort of controversy ya know
This game is all totally transgressing the limit of taboo come play it now its not materially pretty crap ๐
I wonder what ancient greek storytellers would think of their own culture being told through a video game
Postal is a vile classic. People are just too sensitive.
Yeah I just look at it and go "so what"
they'd probably scream in greek that they're seeing visions from a glowing screen
I dont think its gonna lead to people murdering me and otherwise it doesnt effect me
After culture shock
Storys back then had no special effects all the epic storys were some dude coming back and describing epic battles.
@paper walrus The ancient greeks were so split up on the stories. They would probably disagree with the telling based on the city-state they were from.
Even theater acting was so vastly differenyt
True Pale king but I would give them the context that this is a dramatisation not a recreation
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very much so, an adaptation or fanfic of sorts
Video games are probably the nearest medium we have to an accurate recreation or retelling of characters events etc
I think they would love it
guys when will the update go online ?
Soon
no specific time yet
I dunno, the ransom message was delivered but they are holding out on me
MANNNN I CANT WAIT hahahaha
They may get uncomfortable with Hades and the Cthonic gods/progentia (Khaos and Nyx) deities being involved. Most of those deities were revered but kind of a taboo to talk about.
Supergiant Games moderators playing the game right now, maybe checkin the last update ? 
Well the Ancient greeks as a stereotype were fairly progressive
Hence why my theoretical ignores culture shock anyway
yeah i hope i just got back from the gym and really hyped for the update
there wont be a new max stage tho right ?
<--- dont make me sacrifice this doggo Supergiant
I still haven't beat the game yet
Keep at it ๐
replayability / next biome / next boss are listed as primary development target goals
So we'll have maybe one of these
keep at it ! how far have you gotten so far?
got past the bull then got flooded by the resurrecting shades. I had a rail gun with triple special and pumped up crit
it would be cool if there would be a possibility so you just can reach infinity stages and it gets more and more difficult
but might be a dumb idea idk
60 heat was my limit
Still havent unlocked the last thing in the pact to see how much harder that will make it per heat
Same, actually feel like trash for not beating it at 120
oof yeah Elysium was rough for me the first few times because of the respawn
i think i finished the game with 30 that was my record hahaha
The shield hurts me and saves me
guys what do you use the skulls on first? is there any good thing where its a bit easier to use them on
The shield runs are easy and fighting shield bros is a nightmare
I'm working on the 120, I think the most I have so far is like ~70-80
How many up**** timer been reset?
I have desperately tried make a captain america run
i did the one thing so you have no choice of picking of 3 boons
but the other stuff feels so difficult for me lol
The drops on daedalus hammer feel really low
Yeah the other stuff stacks that difficulty hard
i mean +150% damage for the enemy or so
added health is a good starter one, then more enemies is what I started out with
its crazy
I've tried an only pink/purple run, but I can't seem to make aphrodites work for my playstyle
yeah the damage combined with whipped frenzy is rough
Easiest heat is one less option 100% higher prices 10% faster attacking "any more gets iffy" Maybe the one hit invincibility.
@brisk trail kk ill try that bro
yeah the price thing really could be good since sometimes you really dont even use the shop
and hit everything with weak
If I up the damage on heat then yes
On high heat avoiding damage becomes nightmarish
the one that gives you +2.5% damage every run with no damage
i like weak for higher heat
ou i didnt knew that
ill try that then once
like some weak plus the bracer is a godsend for Elysium
Its very helpful if you give them a lot of bonus attack speed
sword is a bit op can it be? with the upgrade to the 1 hit attack that deals 80 dmg or so
whats your favorite weapon ? or better said which one is most op would you say
I don't like the sword very much. I like the shield or the adamant rail
Sword on a special run gave me my fastest clearspeed
i fail so often with the bow jesus i feel like you need a lot of luch there to be succesfull
shield is my fav LOL it's my safest weapon for higher heat
Sword sorry*
Yes shield is the strongest pick for me but it makes runs comically easy
The sword is fun with the hammer upgrade that allows you to spam attack, but I don't know if it's been removed
I try to give the bow full auto fire and dual hit or triple hit with hammers
It staggers and hits like a truck
The shields bullrush defence is incredibly strong
i hope they will keep on updating hades like diablo 3 for a long time
and you can push enemies around so helpfully especially in asphodel
really enjoying the game
yeah, immunity if you point it at a direction for the rush but I also like trap kills with the regular attack, and if I have a DoT or AoE boon the special can reach far and wide and generally I'll be safely tucked away somewhere
I am wanting an expansion when you reach the surface and Hades commands the armies of the undead to stop you as well ๐
Or lets loose the dead titans onto the human battlefields, turns into shadow of the collosus
i swear i would have no problem to even pay again 10-30 euro for a cool dlc
Same
one day after the game gets released
Multiplayer hades?
@paper walrus epic promised the launcher will be updated very often and worked on hard
so i got a good feeling
you know what would be cool as a dlc?
if you could play as thanatos or so
UFFFFFFF
I am not really bothered by the Launcher Koko ๐ Its low end but its lightweight as well
oooo seeds would be cool just to have like in BoI
I just feel guilty buying hades on the sale cos its worth more
It has seeds I think
I am 100% planning on buying it again if it comes to Steam so no problems there.
oh forreal? I haven't noticed a menu for it haha
Supergiant Games is really a great company
Amen to that
i never played bastion lol i bought Hades and found out thats their game
so i bought it and finished in 1 day hahaha
I kinda wanna knee Supergiants main story writer in the crotch sometimes but yeah
If any of you lovely folks as SG are reading this, thank you so much for everything. Bastion was my first Indie game and I love yall
Write a happy ending dammit!
i love it that there never are in game purchases or so
And Ditto to @paper walrus
Company practises are good yeah ๐
DAMN @fringe ivy the music in Bastion was crazy
I love spike on a rail
i sometimes just listen to it on youtube no joke hahaha
And setting sail coming home is a mastapiece
They're an amazing studio and I'm loving to noclip episodic documentary they're doing on thia game's production
omg that song is my whole mood
I think why I love Hades is that it's like they are putting all their ideas and concepts into the game
So any Zag X Dusa art out ๐
The Storytelling of Bastion, the combat versatility of transistor, the visual novel type stuff from Pyre
GIB PATCH
Hell, so many enemies make me think of previous games
Oh wow just unlocked stifling darkness.. the idea of a 120 run now hurts me
I was expecting way more
of course
Ye ye ye
as good as bastion?
You can do it in just 3-4 hours
it's one of the best ending
Yep
it's as much good, maybe even better
wtf crazy ill do that then later ๐
If you remember, the combat system is a favotire of mine
is it allowed to send youtube links here?
I kinda wish their was a wrath ability like Turn() lol
If you are like me the ending will make you feel incredibly hollow and angry but yes its worth finishing
I think the ending was bittersweet
Kinda falls apart though when you think about it too hard, but I dont know If we can say it here
๐ #transistor ๐
that was my favorite in bastion
stifling darkness is alright, I was scared of using it but it's not too bad imo
But back to Hades, I need enough skulls for a heat run lol
seriously, guys, this is the hades discussion channel, discuss hades here not the other games
the 120 one
we were talking about all Supergiant Games do we have to switch channels everytime? lol
If I do the 120 one, does that also mean I did the 60 as well?
that's why there's different channels
Yes, there are dedicated channels
then maybe #supergiant-games instead
ou sorry then bro i just thought it might be a bit weird to continue talking there alone
though that one is spoiler free so if you wanted a detailed discussion then yes, go to the dedicated channels
they're there for a reason
if there is no kronos scythe this patch i will commit massive inhaling of oxygen
yeah i believe it would unlock it but I've never tested it haha
Edd - as far as I know, if you do a 120 run without having unlocked the 60 reward first, you'll get the 60 but not the 120
and then exhale with sadness
oh oop
all good bro im dont talking about it anyway just wanted to tell my favorite ost lol thanks! ๐
i'm not sure though as i've only got the 15
i misspoke then
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points wearily at name
no
ou ok ok
That was fun
Has anybody done the 120 within the recent patch or two? I can do 60, but 120 is way too difficult for now
Theseus + minotaur op
only 30 here bro hahaha
I'm working on 120 now, but I'm still trying to get used to the maxed out whipped frenzy. definitely not used to how fast everything goes
120 is hard but doable
we need a guy who does Hades guides on youtube ._.
if you ignore enemy damage increase, reduced healing and reduced choices
without these 3 its exactly 120 heat
Oi
Any word on the update today
@brisk trail there's no YouTube guide for it
I'm itching to play
a lot of it is just learning how to time those dodges especially in very crowded rooms with chargers
points at name
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you'll just be eternally pointing at your name until it drops LOL
I realize, but dodging crowded rooms is what I am terrible at in every game xD
put prince z in smash 
@mellow karma yeah sure at the end its just about your skill and how you play bro but i meant with stuff like what necklace you feel is the best or which boons you should avoid and stuff like that
@lusty wasp , would the battles take forever then? that's a lot of health and blocking for everybody
@brisk trail ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
Skill
my little brother started playing and he was sure good at dodging at stuff but then i explained some stuff to him and he sure was much better thats what i meant
@brisk trail depends - some pacts are just too hard for how little heat they give imo
@mellow karma whats so funny lol? dont you need skill in hades or what are you trying to say hahahaha
Honestly I think hades guides on youtube during pre-release would kinda be bad
oh it varies for prefered playstyle a lot, I always try to force certain synergies but that's the thing about roguelikes, sometimes it's just luck that you get exactly what you want and you have to adapt
It will just confuse people when it releases
yeah, these are not the final forms of stuff at all haha
@lusty wasp yeah thats true man
I got tag teamed by minos and other guys
@brisk trail
Hades devs this isn't it's final form
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@halcyon heron yeah that might be confusing bro true
and i dont think it takes that long to kill everything - also i think its more avoiding getting killed than the hp and shields on enemies
lolol! speaking of I'm excited to read through all the patch notes once it drops
@brisk trail
Unless you add guide for patch ........
And update the guide as a series
yeah a lot more avoiding enemies and learning their attacks
@mellow karma yeah thats true there are many other games that get updates weekly too and the people do new guids and stuff
Yeah and basically if you have a question on "what is the best boon or the best keepsake" you can ask it here and people'll be happy to help you
also getting used to their speed at max speed increase - quite different behaviour
That I get, yes. But my preferred style is "kill everything faster than it can kill you" ๐
I played at max speed before
yup! those speed ups are what I'm learning rn for 120 haha
I hope they'll rework keepsakes or at least nerf the most powerful one so we have more options
its doable, though havent tried for elysium...that seems like a nightmare
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Only if you had thanatos damage
When you compete with him I'm like damn
That is where speed is good! His casts require time to complete
I honestly think it would be better to nerf all the god keepsakes, let you choose one god keepsake for the whole run, and then let you choose others
depending on my health, in a thanatos room, sometimes I just dodge bc it's a free room if you don't get hit nor want to lose health
^ that too
I feel like the "choose ares, then artemis, then athena" is sometimes the right answer because duo blades is so rediculous
honestly i get that supergiant changed the order for the pacts on the pact of punishment in part so the darkness doesnt feel useless if when you unlock it like with stifling darkness but the current 2 you start with dont seem the best choice
Anyone know if it is intended, that when you give up instead of dying as good as all the boons and their abilities stay the same. So you can pickup the same abilities to try again.
since i see these 2 as clearly the hardest to deal with
I feel like those "purple cast skeletons" in Asphodel are also way more rediculous than any other apshodel monster
and i think its intended so you can keep your seed for speedrunning and stuff
not sure its the best idea for a system - id usually rather suicide and manually is often kinda annoying
I think the slay-the-spire model of letting you input a seedid is the best for "speedruns" and friend runs
idr the costs for pact stuff, but I think they wanted to start off with those two as 1 cost pacts with no incremental stuff so people can just hop in and use their heat right away
Sometimes i just walk into the lava to get better boons for my run XD
Maybe a forced seed run doesn't let you keep anything
Or it's a different gamemode
yea i also think entering a code would be best for that - even better if you could create one from a run you just had and loked
liked*
Ye i would prefer that as well.
I also feel like some keepsakes (like the duster) are total trash and could use a revamp
the duster is quite a lot of healing
Yeah but why would you pick it over Nyx? Feels like much more healing
id say the scarf might be a bit strange, especially since it naturally gives more on higher heat runs
I think that sword one, forgot the name from the top of my head, with 1.5 invulnerability is the strongest now
always depends on the situation
I still need to max all trinkets oof
but that one seems ok usually
I think the Nyx keepsake should straight up give you more darkness, so you can use it on darkness farming runs. Although I guess at some point you don't need more darkness
hi already at that point ๐
fated is just a darkness sink that doesn't really matter
๐ ye i don't really need a lot of darkness anymore
i mean, you can trade excess darkness in at the converter guy for other stuff
you can trade everything into darkness
Do not need anything the converter guy sells as well XD i have enough of everything
because you need a lot more darkness than the rest
when you get past 5 rerolls the darkness costs are extraordinarily high, like doesn't even matter high
oh thats wild, I was curious about fated authority
Mostly into heat runs those rerolls are the first to go
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd never pick somz trinkets because they feel weak
5 rerolls is 5000, 6 rerolls is 10000, for scale
oh thats wild
today is a new update ?
I do for the first 2 stages Lamdry, to get a build started
in a few hours, yes
yes, itโs today!
Does Tisiphone have an unblockable attack?
I'll just stick with playing on max stifling darkness haha
how many hours? not sure
The swirl thing she does?
thanks xD
well you can dash out of it
oh the step forward then step back thing?
Ya
i recommend dashing out of that LOL
I mostly expect to see it in the morning, earlier is always an extra ^^
Yeah... I see why
maybe if she gets behind you from it
My brain was like... I can block that right?
i think in the big swirl she goes behind you, so unless you can move your mouse fast
just dash out of it
but i dont think its unblockable
120 heat run is literally killing me ๐
I tried like three times
Always seemed to get me
With the meaty update i only managed to get a 60 heat run in with the shield xD my skills are still too poor for the rest
I still only have 15
LOL 120 is a fun challenge so far! it really puts your mind to work quickly
I think after the patch I'm going to do a heatless or low heat run tho just to see that new content
How far did you get on 120 heat al.n?
I only just got enough heat for a 120 run, but I donโt really feel like attempting it... I like normal runs and being able to win lol
I think it was either dying in Elysium or mid Asphodel/bone hydra which I think the bone hydra has killed me more than elysium has tbh
it took me so long to do 60 heat pre-beefy, i'm not gonna do 120 right now
a part of me thinks that I should have slowly ramped up whipped frenzy 10% at a time and conpleted those runs until finally getting to the full 50 but I do love a baptism by fire haha
unless hermes is literally god-tier boons
and to me the roadblock was the final bossfight or miniboss in elysium
elysium is a pain in my existence, cannot seem to find a good strategy to get through their easily. XD i always hope i get enough purple fountains to heal up
bonehydra is honestly stupid easy once you realize you can just hit it from far away, with it having no way to retaliate
not sure if i would ramp it up slowly - they behave differently on all speeds
Feels like Hermes could give you an extra dash
so much more to learn
True loke, but those push purple beams made it a bit harder fight\
oooo yeah the dodges for the Minotaur charge is very rough at full whipped frenzy
dashing into mino seems to work pretty well
although harder to time on higher speeds i suppose
@weary yew it's the six head part at full whipped frenzy that kills me the most haha
just not used to all those attacks going off at full speed
also i think lots of people saw half speed increase as harder during murder death kill than full - havent seen anything like that now tho
@brisk trail that sounds really chaotic
yah LOL I don't have problems with it without whipped frenzy but ya boi is going for that 120 run
i find the deflect dash helps a lot with boss fights, along with the weak status.
You completed 60 heat with every weapon? or just going with your favorite weapon all the way?
weak status is great since the 'new' mirror upgrade is also a huge increase if you can enable it
damage wise
The damage output with two curses is amazing
Deflect dash is something I try to grab as much as possible and not every weapon I think. I really hate the bow LOL just not my playstyle
Yeah I hate the bow too.
the best curses for that upgrade is that weak/sick combo because it lasts for quite a while
Ye the deflect dash is worth it now they removed the delay on it
also weak counts as a damage reduction for yourself and stacks with other reductions - and that stacking is really op
The bow is fine if you get some hammer upgrades, otherwise it is a bit of pain
the bracer is my fav with weak haha. and yeah If i dont get a good hammer upgrade to start off the bow run, i know I'm not going to have a good time in the later biomes
Can you actually achieve 100% damage reduction XD I was wondering, if you get all the damage reduction perks
you can i did it
there are no damage numbers anymore when you get it
but yea you have to keep the reduction up
oooo is it bracer + weak + Aphrodite and Athenas damage reduction boons?
i didnt use bracer but megs trinket
ohhhh I see o::
had weak, aphrodite, athena and dionysus dr
The drunk god can already give you 45% damage reduction below 40% health, so that is a good boon in my opinion
thats a whole mood
so had to make sure to keep weak up, stay close enough and ofc be below 40%hp
I have posidon special on the rail, aphrodite attack, weapon upgrade 3 specials, and athena dash right now.
yeah, you just have to get lucky with getting rare/epic and/or poms to get those numbers up there
dionysus also has dr for standing in his cast aoe but thats too annoying to do
i mean would be nice with his legendary but i just dont like it since i cant see enough with it
oh man posidon special on the triple special sounds like enemies would fly everywhere
dionysus is good on the sword special if you get the upgrade that lets you special constantly.
aoe poison dashing
poseidon special on gun also means you knock them out of the next 2 hits
I prefer the deflect on the sword special if you get the constant special XD you almost cannot get hit if you spam it xD
no they all hit,
so need to use it differently
no new patch today?
im doing it right now
patch today.
they have a time listed anywhere
no
guys where is this patch ??????
that's surprising that they all hit, are you aiming at the same spot or are you making like a line with the special
not info ?
points at name
I would settle for some juicy patch notes right now. ๐
there is no set time, just that it will happen today
booooooo
patch notes don't go up until the patch itself does
For this game, yeah
hmm would be cool if they would have said a time
they work on the patch to ensure its the best it can be, so they deliver the patch when they deem its ready! due to that, there isnt always an exact set time
they donโt know the time themselves ๐
however, most of the patches in the past have fallen around similar times
your patience will be rewarded though!
be patient
its not a huge problem for me but would have been cool yeah
i undestand tho that its not so easy
Alright guys, I got a surefire way to pass the time:
- Take a bat.
- Hit yourself really hard
- When you wake up, the patch will be released!
everytime someone says the p-word the update is delayed
we should hit ourselves really hard BEFORE taking a bath, so the blood will wash away ๐
its gotten longer again HAHAHA xD
POTATO
Are the erebus rooms free rooms or do they take place of another?
take place of another iirc
:/ weak
I feel like on my heat runs, it's like: "Here, let's give you thousands of useless things instead of making your run actually completable"
no boons, everything is a pom or darkness
^Or Ambrosia.
ITS HERE
PATCH
IT'S HAPPENING
Yeah I like the erebus rooms as a skill challenge to help you through hard runs
rather than... well crap ๐
eyyyy
showtime!
its about that time!!
I'm fast as hecc boiiii
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It's here

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FINALY!
NOO Instant Nova is gone
@fiery pebble casts
Actually I guess thats a silly question, they were a bit too good
No Spear Special buffs
The announcements tab is broken for me.
Guess that attack remains really bad, oh well
Guess fast boi is finally here
MINE
it wont show me the msg in #announcements
hhhhhhhhhh
refreshing my game to get patch
Mods or admins around? #announcements is broken.
ok now its working
Hey all! That's a Discord thing, not us unfortunately.
I experience it every once in a while, it seems to just take longer to load through.
QOL hold to attack
Interesting, I felt like "sick" thematically fit more than "poison"
nickname subject to change
I'm surprised at no nerfs to Hunting Blades
I kinda liked the thought of Dyonisus getting people hungover
belgo you are being beaten at your own game
how can you make smiley versions if all the new characters are already smiling
Damage Reduction effects such as Different League (Aphrodite) now additive instead of multiplicative
this should be the other way around
I KNOW im cryign
ok
i hope so
what does hermes do
he goes shoom
@little inlet HE GOES FAST
yeah but like
Just go to #hades-patch-notes
he r uns!
he's got hair clips
does he give boons?
guys he has dinky little hair clips and i'm gonna cry
I'm playing chicken with actually trying this game. It's installed and ready to go; I just haven't launched it yet. Is now a good time? ๐
The design of Hermes is so flavorful
Hermes is so smug
In the name of Hades let's face bugs and features so I can beat this game!
[orpheus from hadestown voice] MR. HERMES?!
Oh god I just got done with the hydra
SO MANY FRIGGIN CLICKS
My arm doesnt work anymore
hehehe ^^
- Ranking up a Keepsake now refreshes its on-equip effect if it has one -- ๐ฆ
Damn:
"๐ข Added distinct sound when Infernal Troves unlock after encounters
๐ข Added distinct sound when Wells of Charon unlock after encounters"
Straight outta the hades-feedback
update donwloading !
if I don't get to go fast ima be mildly peeved
@lapis nova Yes, definitely - unless you have a SEVERE aversion to re-balancing, in which case the feeling of Hades being pretty darn complete will be overshadowed by balance changes.
Oh dear lord I am never taking that mod again
i'd say now is the best time to get the game, unless you MUST have the full content available
Nah, I play several games that get rebalanced often enough (like Hearthstone) so I don't mind that at all. I didn't want to try the game when it was suuuuppper new, but I am happy to experience it before 100% ๐
there is enough in the game right now for an easy 20 hours of gameplay, and much much more if you like a challenge
Are we done with the pings yet?
this game sucked me in way harder than I expected watching gameplay and trailers, just something about it is really appealing
Maybe when the announcements tab actually works.
Fair
hi! I picked up Hades while it was on a huge sale, and I kinda wanted to wait for it to be out and finished before trying it, but I'm getting a bit impatient :D I wanted to know, how long is a playthrough? will I spoil the game for myself by playing it now?
Oh we got newcomers?
The length of a playthrough depends on how good you are.
how long a playthrough is depends on how good you are honestly
I don't even know how to judge how long a playthrough is for a new player.
it takes me roughly 30-40 minutes for a full playthrough to the current "end" however as a new player yours will probably be .... much... shorter
It took me a great many tries to get through the first biome when I first started playing.
....yes. much shorter.
of course, I've played the Binding of Isaac too so I know the genre, I intend a "full" playthrough
Raw Hermes image for those who want it
@wicked lagoon Don't worry about spoilers - story is added as-it-goes.
There's quite a bit of replayability fortunately with the various boons and upgrades, and the game is challenging.
Now if I die before the first boss it's a seriously, horribly bad run.
it'll probably take 15-30 runs to beat the game on base difficulty, assuming your familiar with the genre
maybe 10-20 hours
@wicked lagoon Also - there are only 3 out of 4 biomes in the game yet.
but hard mode in this game goes very, very hard
that's the info I was looking for Dragomok
@quasi sleet And also feels like padding. ๐
anyway I think I'll be fine, I platinumed both Bastion and Transistor
this game is uhhh
ehh I disagree, the game feels completely different at 30, 60, 90, and 120 heat, different enough to not just feel tacked on padding
....way harder than them. lol
including all dreams with all sanctuaries up
you seem to like supergiant games, so give hades a go 
even harder than Bastion with all the 10 handicaps?
@gloomy osprey I will, I just wanted to decide if keeping to wait or not ^^
yes
hades is hardest out of the series by quite a bit. But it's also my favorite by a long shot with bastion a close second, and transistor third
pyre fourth ๐ฆ
120 heat is the hardest thing supergiant has ever had in their games not even close IMO
@wicked lagoon I got those achievements! For doing the dreams with all the idols activated! One of my proudest gaming achievements.
still not even really close to beating it
No new dialogue :C
that's up to you! i personally like watching the game expand on its own time but if you want to let it ripen there's nothing wrong with that
@long saffron To be fair the previous update like just came out.
I've played Hades for two hours straight, and just when I'm about to logg of they release a new update
T-T
I
I'm going back in

basically I wanted to ask if it feels like an incomplete game still or not
Good luck warrior
@wicked lagoon Playing the game through Early Access, and playing it as a finished product are going to be two different experiences. For us actively playing, when new updates are added, things actually progress in the world, in a way to introduce the things.
it would be upsetting to reach an arbitrary gate and read "welp sorry, that's it for now, come by later"
It only feels incomplete in that there isn't an ending, lol.
But it's super polished and cohesive.
oh, yeah, then you'll want to wait
And when you get as far as you can, the characters banter about it.
maybe I should just try it, I guess ^^ hard to ask such a question
@wicked lagoon You beat all that there is, and ||the narrator makes up some reason that you die||, and then you get sent back to the House of Hades, as you do if you die along the way.
(not really a spoiler-spoiler to any degree, but figured I'd be safe)
hades is like slay the spire without the heart atm
I've enjoyed enter the gungeon and this game is well worth it if you like that kind of game
casting is good again!? D:
I'm 90 hours in still exploring new things
I love you devs
alright, thanks for the input guys
I don't like roguelikes and I love Hades.
I'll see you in hell (figuratively ๐ )
I figured all of supergiants other games are godlike this one should be pretty good too
Whenever there are updates, there's usually in-game dialogue introducing the new elements into the pre-established world. It's easily one of the most polished and self-aware early access experiences I've encountered.
Wait, one of?
No this is easily the best early access experience I've ever encountered.
By a long shot.
yeah, it's amazing.
I just didn't think about it before saying it.
Hades are great and i want to sacrifice my soul and firstborn to supergiants
Yeah the game is extremely polished despite being in early access
The moment I saw a gameplay video I knew I was going to like it, but it still exceeded those expectations. With most games these days when I watch gameplay videos I know I will not like them
The entire internet: EPIC SUCKS. DOWN WITH EPIC. BOYCOTT EPIC.
Me: happily playing Hades
Yeah, it doesn't bother me much. I am happy for Supergiant to get the financial stability
epic is one of the few left that still gives us free (usually paid) games, origin stopped ages ago
chill down with the pings plz
there were three and all were relevant
I think 4.
guys, 3 pings once a month is not that bad :P
This game is so gorgeous. I hope they keep adding gods. I know their long term plan seems minimal but these artworks are so freakin good.
I was happy for the pings. Brought my attention to those sweet, sweet patch notes
3 pings in less than 2 hours, it's a bit too much for my taste
Give us Hepheastus and some Titans
@storm fractal I think with Hermes they fulfilled their goal for total number of gods.
NUUUUUUUUUU
But that doesn't mean they won't decide to add more. It's not set in stone.
They just hit their intended goal.
From the amount of empty slots it seems more are coming
That Hermes necklace seems really good
I don't know if they'll release more Gods - there's definitely mounting complexity the more they add. I hope so! I'd love to see Apollo in the game
Well there will be more NPCs.
Yes Apollo and Hephaestus
Yeah, that necklace really does look good
Hey, the announcements page is working again.
Do you have a favorite god? not talking about how usefull he is or so
i find zeus is the coolest hahhaha
For now game feels like more balanced but less funny );
hey guys, would you take vicious skewer or multi skewer for the spear?
Artemis is my favorite.
@unborn bronze I think it's good because I don't want another Isaac with game-breaking things
Never got what was so great about that game but I guess that's a subject for #off-topic-discussion
your cast is fully automatic xD how amazing this can be? Im a damn machine gun
lmao
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god of swiftness
is hermis the last god to be relased into the game?
"No mortal has ever approached the surpassing swiftness of the messenger of the gods." (if thats what you meant)
I was thinking what sparrow said
k
God of Swiftness is his title in dialogue
@fiery skiff But why? It feel's like a really cool thing for me. But maybe you are right.
hmm if hes so fast why did he come last? :S
he was dealing with a speeding ticket, be nice
omg theres bots in the dev stream
@hexed smelt hey is the wiki updated?
dude
yea patch just dropped
It just came out
ill check back in like 3 days
please look at the LENGTH of the patch notes
Have patience
EVERY SINGLE OLYMPIAN has had ALL OF THEIR BOONS rebalanced.
Okay are the tiny chariots making cat noises?
as far as i can tell, anyway.
really?
cos its frickin adorable as they suicide bomb me
i skimmed most of that part
smh
+ Re-balanced Attack, Special, and Cast damage bonuses for each Olympian
the patch has been out for an hour
Yeah, pretty exciting. Even if they end up botching some balance at least they are still heavily messing around with numbers
That is, if they end up doing that. Not saying they already did
Meow?
lol itll take a few days at least to get it updated
once the dev stream is over, i'll sit down and look at hermes's boons. after that, it'll be the same as i do on other patches, and i'll go alphabetically by god
Is the wiki updated yet, I know it's only been about an hour but you're the god of writing right? :Kappa:
๐ช
:p <3
just use time travel to update the wiki as soon as the update comes out :4head:
verify your files
where is the dev stream
Happy Update Day! We'll be going over the content in the High Speed Update for Hades in this stream from our studio in San Francisco, CA. Play Hades in Early...
its going to end soon
what should i verify in my files
click the gear icon next to hades and click "verify files"
ah
uh what gear icon
wait ill get a screenshot idk that im getting it right
anyway, you guys, be patient with the wiki. it is being updated by a human being and the patch only just came out. if you want to know the patch changes for now, just read #hades-patch-notes
what i gathered from the patch notes is that poseidon does more damage
Does anyone else have a hard time with the new God vs. God levels? The angry god's power is wayyyyyy too difficult to deal with
Tried the new build, and my attack input wouldnt do anything 1/3 of the time. It pissed me off a lot
yea.. I feel incredibly powerless this update
Already got enemies with armour in teh first few levels.. not sure if it's a bug or on purpose
Like especially with the new enemies, I need my attack to go off in order to play
This is literally a game breaking bug
I sent a bug report so hopefully it gets fixed
The input was supposed to be improved from this patch as well
Weird. I just played through and won my first try with some of the new Hermes stuff. Had no issues like that.
Though there's a Hermes boon that seems to sometimes break the enemies
could it be an issue with your mouse?
I played on gamepad, and no other inputs had issues
Inside the house of hades, the button didnt seem to have input issues either
I grabbed the attack speed boon right at the start, which I suspect caused the issue
Maybe that's the problem, I didn't get that one
At first I thought the boon was supposed to increase attack speed without increasing net DPS, but I realized that wasn't consistently the case
I got the heal on dash after hit and dashing through an enemy slows them 90% <- seems a tad broken
I have noticed it as well
Not 1/3 of the time
But every 5th or 6th attempt at a shield charge, the input just got dropped
butterfly emote when 
I definitely had issues with shield charge and input before the patch as well
dev stream is now over
Thanks heaps for the stream today; really awesome from the devs
hes too quick
the gift button didnt appear to me with him
butterflies good
that is odd right?
Was it the first time you met him?
nope
ur right and u should say it joanne
Hmmm I'm not positive if that's a bug or not! I'd say F10 it if you're still in the moment.
@void vigil hell yea brudder
@wooden condor stacking dodge and movespeed like thanatos's
all the butterflies must have migrated to the fourth biome
the final chapter: butterflies
Tbh Hermes keepsake falls off quickly. Unlike with Thanatos where you have time to get each room perfect, Hermes you can fail purely on how long it takes enemies to spawn. ๐ฆ
Yeah, I was thinking that could be an issue
yeah but its easy enough to get quite a high stack
Like maybe if you have it equipped it should speed the spawn up
bigger issue is the perks you get etc
I'm personally pretty sad we don't have a keepsake for hermes boons as I like to take those keepsakes for certain god runs and I wanted to do some hermes runs
ok but: the ultimate speedrunning keepsake
The worst is when you accidently go into a survival room, and have to survive for a minute or so. Auto-losing the bonus.
id say the hermes keepsake is honestly what we should want for all the god ones
@woeful lotus I agree with that but sometimes I just like to mess with certain gods boons and just try to make a build out of one gods boons
As much as I'd like to have personalized buffs from the keepsakes, having a guaranteed spawn of a certain god when you want is too useful for me at this point to pas up
Yeah, I do agree with @woeful lotus though as far as each keepsake actually having more flavor. I do wish I didn't feel like I had to take a boon keepsake for the first two biomes
Dammit just got the hermes keepsake and realised it's not a usual one
Gimme more cute gods
what they could do is make it so the keepsakes give the rarity bonus as part of the stacking bonus
Regarding god keepsakes, who's to say we couldn't have the best of both worlds? We could have multiple keepsakes for each god by the end of development.
doubt they will have more than 1 per god
@woeful lotus Yeah that could work, they would just have to scale things down
well they wouldnt need to scale them down really cause you would start lower
I mean its all on the devs if they want each god boon to have more specialised effects than I'm with it I'm just sad cause I was looking forward to doing some hermes runs
Well, isn't that scaling down? If you start lower?
I didn't mean the scaling would be slower
yes and no in the sense that you might end up higher than current if you play well etc
@brisk trail That would of course be the dream, but that's a long ways off atm
since each god have a debuff of sort it would be easy enough to have the keepsakes improve those in some way
I mean didnt they make percents additive, so probably
dont think they made doadge additive
but even if not you can definately get pretty high
@signal spoke hey look at me
So is 8 gods the maximum they will release?
I don't believe they've said anywhere that 8 is their definitive maximum, just that 8 was the amount they were planning to get to as a base. They might see 8 as a good number and keep it that way or decide to add more later
Would like to see helios be implemented
wow than's theme sounds great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOadAaGiq4
This is the music that plays in Lavender Town from Pokemon Red and Blue (Green in Japan). This is the original Japanese version of the piece that was edited ...
i'm pretty sure the development roadmap (button on the main menu iirc) says we're at 8/8 gods and have one weapon, one boss and one biome yet to come
They said minimum 8 gods, etc. so they might add more, or for dlcs etc.
make characters that smile in their sprites and this is what happens
well, yes but in terms of the scope of getting Hades 1.0 released the gods are 'done' so to speak
this icon's Fleshiness disturbs me greatly
belgo you never fail to horrify me
thanks
gotta keep my ribbon but i'm fully fast themed now
F for space jan
still yet to come up with a good fast pun
spaceport janitor gotta sleep for a bit
that's a good friend
does he?
yes
considering he's an ancient greek, probably
good point
I just submitted my first bug report ๐
I haven't come across many lol
its a really funny one tbh lol
I had it happen once before, when you roll in the house sometimes it can lock your animation direction and so you just slide around when you walk letting you like moonwalk lol
THUNDER FLOURISH (ZEUS) - SPECIAL LIGHTNIGH BOLT
ELECTRIC SHOT (ZEUS) - CAST LIGHTNING BOLT
THUNDER DASH (ZEUS) - DASH THUNDER BOLT
STORM LIGHTNING (ZEUS) - LIGHTNING CHAIN + 2
DOUBLE STRIKE (ZEUS) - LIGHTNING BOLT CHANCE TO STRIKE TWICE +47%
sTATIC DISCHARGE (ZEUS) - JOLT DAMAGE
DREAD FLIGHT (HAMMER) - SPECIAL CAN STRIKE UP TO 8 FOES
FLAYED FLOURISH (CHAOS) - SPECIAL + 60% DMG
SWIFT FLOURISH (NEW HERMES BOON) - SPECIAL IS 12% FASTER
LIGHTNING BOLT (ZEUS LEGENDARY) - +40 LIGHTNING DMG
Just got this build in my last game with the shield. It was soooo good.
are there VODs of the dev streams?
thanks, it somehow didn't work on the tab I had open
Am I the only one who cant stand Dionysos' boons?
Or maybe I just couldn't find a proper tactic to play them
privileged status
is there any link to new ost "last words"? Im in love with it!
ok, whatever, got it ๐
@charred cloud I love the guy, he was my first pass to defeat Meg, just by stacking "poison" and staying away from her using the bow.
I just hope this game hits Linux officially so I don't have to restart my laptop to play when I take a rest of work
Can we pet the dog yet
Any spearman who defeat minotaur and thes?which boons are better?
Better for what? Beating them?
With the spear I like to go a dash attack heavy build usually
So boons that support that (though my favorite run with spear I got aphro dash and legendary which is just broken in combination)
Hi, sry for my english
I buy Hades today i kill the hydra etc, now i want to know how can have the codex ? anyone can help me ?
talk to achilles some more
^
after you've done a few runs, he'll give you the codex
achilles is the man with a spear in the upper corridor in the house
okey bro thx ;:D
What are people's favorite 60 heat set-ups? I'm able to consistently get to T&M with 40 heat off whipped frenzy and I'm wondering what I should add for the last 20.
i've updated my look
i like how it's totally incomprehensible until you
and THEN you realise venthighdiss has returned
venthighdiss never left
the return
Is it possible to help translate the game into French?
i think they will eventually translate the game after full launch
i legit forgot patch was today
When you max out all your ambrosia including Hermes and you just wanna keep spreading the love 
