Its saying its a sale off of a price that is its current price
#h1-discussion
fiery pebble
whole current
Who is being nasty? Just people annoyed and disappointed in Supergiant.
Rightfully so.
thorn plover
@rotund finch that's a fine thought to have except they literally said earlier today they weren't raising the price without giving notice
fiery pebble
I mean a lot of people who I presume joined this server just for this, who talk about law they dont seem to know are making what amounts to bad faith argument
obsidian shale
@rotund finch : https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1129055307169116160
whole current
Some people joined to make their disappointment known. Nothing wrong with that.
wraith cedar
It's not a bad faith argument
potent silo
we need them to respond though
wraith cedar
Never
potent silo
that's the issue
fiery pebble
Never until now
vestal lodge
fiery pebble
No, thats the price it is and will be now
wraith cedar
That is the raised base price
fiery pebble
The price isnt "false"
wraith cedar
Raised with no warning
thorn plover
in fact raised after implying they wouldn't raise it for a bit lmao
whole current
Yeah, we still don't have an explanation for that.
wraith cedar
Moorgan that's a copy pasted message that doesn't help imo
whole current
That pin does not explain why they lied.
fiery pebble
There is a reason the law people cite
Specifically gives an example
That makes the bargain not a bargain
wraith cedar
People were never paying 24.99
fiery pebble
Its not just for fun
wraith cedar
They inflated it by saying the sale is whatever off
obsidian shale
@vestal lodge that pin does not answer why the official twitter account reassured me that i would be notified before a price change
warm hornet
@vestal lodge Okay, so is your straight answer this: The proper sale price is 15 dollars discounted from 20, and the 25 dollar base price is a mistake and not something you will be implementing during the sale?
wraith cedar
When it was never that much to start
thorn plover
Why are you picking this hill to die on? Even if it isn't illegal, which I'm not personally sure it is or isn't, it's still a very scummy thing to do.
fiery pebble
Let me perhaps put this as simple as possible
warm hornet
Because if it's 15 discounted from 25 that's still.....
fiery pebble
At its core, the FTC regulation makes sure that people dont beleive they are getting a bargain when they arent
Currently, with the sale, they are
Ive already explained in more detail why the law doesnt apply
But the crux is that that is why the law doesnt apply
thorn plover
ignore the law
wraith cedar
They say it's a discount FROM 24.99
thorn plover
even if it is perfectly legal, it's a terrible look for them
wraith cedar
But it was never that much before
Not once
And they said they'd tell people if they'd raise it
And didnt
fiery pebble
That has no bearing on the law
wraith cedar
THAT'S THE EXACT MEANING OF THAT LAW
hallow grove
Yeah, the price notification thing doesn't have any affect on the law
wraith cedar
Oh of course
fiery pebble
Ive explained multiple times now, in both as much and little detail as I could
But to perhaps summarize it best why it doesnt apply
wraith cedar
I'm talking about saying 'It used to be 24.99!!'
fiery pebble
It would make bugs a serious problem
fiery pebble
Theyre not saying "it used to be 24.99" though
Theyre saying "it is 24.99 from now on"
wraith cedar
So this sale isn't off that price
whole current
This conversation is mind numbing.
fiery pebble
And the sale is from the new price
wraith cedar
It's off a much lower price
warm hornet
Hey, guys, I think it's pretty clear no one is going to agree on whether this is legal or not, so I think we can table this particular discussion? There are other concerns beyond legality
fiery pebble
I mean hell, that would mean that Riot wouldve had to honour all sales forever from that one time a skin was pushed to live mistakenly with half its intended price
tawdry flower
no, they are saying its discounted from 24.99, a price it was never actually sold at
fiery pebble
Note: They didnt, they changed it, noone got sued
tawdry flower
ergo, illegal
tawdry flower
the price increase here isn't a bug
fiery pebble
Not that the law isnt clear about it
Doesnt matter for the law
Bug or not, if the law worked the way you wanted it to, theyd have to honour it
whole current
I mean, they could just be ignorant to the law and their lawyers would probably like to have a conversation about it.
tawdry flower
it is how the law works
whole current
Companies make mistakes.
fiery pebble
If that were the case
People wouldve sued them
Noone did, because lawyers know that it still aint how it works
tawdry flower
no, because people don't always care enough to sue, simple as that
fiery pebble
Regardless, its clear people dont want to accept that the law (seriously Im starting to sound like Dredd here) doesnt work the way they want it to
So this has become entirely pointless
tawdry flower
it does, however, and you provided no actual legal argument otherwise
i'd love to see proper sources
left path
Either way, the damage is done in my opinion. I am only going to see the price for it being 10 usd or less and not considering it until then
whole current
The fact it may or may not be illegal doesn't even really matter, jeezus. It's the morality of what they did that's in question. This conversation is a huge waste of time as none of us (I presume) are lawyers.
hallow grove
The point, UNO, is that even if the law does not cover this; it should. Consumer Protection laws exist for a reason, and it's to stop things like this.
faint sluice
The price increase breaks FTC guidelines. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/233.1
obsidian shale
Honestly, even if it's legal, it's a bad look. Like, it looks really super scummy to raise the price on a game hours after confirming to your FANS that you wouldn't do that and also helping other FANS get in on the same discounted price you state was in error.
whole current
Yes, it is EA levels of scummy.
fiery pebble
To stop things like .... you getting a 25% discount?
thorn plover
legit wouldn't even expect this from EA
cerulean urchin
What are you even talking about Uno?
tawdry flower
to stop things like increasing a game's base price midsale, yes, that should be absolutely stopped
left path
regardless of legality, I'm viewing this as a pure bait and switch and it leaves a sour taste in my mouth
cerulean urchin
Exactly
obsidian shale
@fiery pebble ignoring everyone talking about how it is not good business practice to mislead your customers
fiery pebble
Ok since the legality isnt getting through, lets ask the real question here
tawdry flower
the fact that they even removed their own discount makes it extra scummy too
fiery pebble
What exactly is the problem
faint sluice
And is also illegal on the UK
warm hornet
oh my god
fiery pebble
Its still on sale, youre still getting it for less than it is
whole current
Read this and come back to us.
warm hornet
you really haven't been listening to anything we've been saying
fiery pebble
Was
cerulean urchin
Uno, lemme DM you this image since I can't post images in here
tawdry flower
Hades had a 10% discount when the sale began, before EGS own discount of 10$
they removed this 10% discount entirely
hallow grove
That's such a terrible way to look at it, UNO
tawdry flower
only EGS is discounting anything now
hallow grove
The point is changing the price of your game to make it more expensive to raise the price they are getting from a sale is bad. It feels bad as a consumer. It felt bad that I had it in my cart for $6.99, logged into PayPal, and it was $14.99
obsidian shale
^^
tawdry flower
also they promised like 9 hours ago that they wouldn't raise the price without annoucing well in advance...
hallow grove
After waiting to go home from work and get it
I still love Supergiant, I still want to support them, but it feels bad.
left path
@hallow grove I wanted to get it right after I finished my exam tomorrow but I think I'll save that money for a different game
rotund finch
they said during the sale though that the $7 price was a mistake right? hours ago? at least from what i saw earlier today?
fiery pebble
They did
warm hornet
Ignore the discount that dropped it to 7 dollars, they say it was a mistake.
Ignore the legal situation because I hate this convo and we are getting nowhere.
The fact remains that the base price has been bumped up from 20 to 25, with no warning, right after they said they would warn for any price increase. And in the middle of a sale, to boot.
hallow grove
No, they said it to me on Twitter when I asked them why it wasn't $6.99 when they changed the price
whole current
I've bought their games at full price before but this sale seemed like a good deal and I had honestly not heard much of Hades before. But now I'm just left with some resentment towards the company.
WIth no desire to buy their games again unless they make this right.
fiery pebble
If the bumping of the price without warning is your issue
And you dont believe that this is just miscommunication, fine
Thats a fair point
hallow grove
It's not
cerulean urchin
Uno, there's no discussion to be had here about "legality", it's about treating your customer right
hallow grove
It simply can not be
fiery pebble
Its not even remotely worth the theatralics
obsidian shale
@iamo this is what I am upset about https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1129055307169116160
left path
@whole current that's my exact feeling right now. I was buying all their games but this is the last I consider them
warm hornet
After they bumped the price
thorn plover
See, the only way this could be miscommunication is if they actually never intended to give us advanced notice on increasing the base price, but accidentally said they would which would be super scummy
faint sluice
The issue is that the way and when they increased the price is illegal
fiery pebble
Its a sale compared to the normal price
cerulean urchin
OK so Uno, I'm going to sell you this apple for $10, and since there's a sale today, you get it for half off, so that's $5. But wait, we just increased the price to $12, so hand me another buck please or you can't have your apple
wraith cedar
Let me simplify this for everyone.
You're a salesperson. You want to sell a can of coke.
The can of coke is usually $1.50 - but you're selling it for $1. A 25% discount.
You notice this isn't making it sell.
You decide to lie.
You say the can of coke was originally $100. A price it was never sold for. That means the discount is now 99% to anyone looking at the sale.
You are a bad person.
fiery pebble
Ignoring hyperbolics, youre also not giving a good representation with your argument
hallow grove
Holy moly
warm hornet
oh my god
fiery pebble
A better way would be you say that a can is now 2$, but youre willing to reduce it to 75 cents for 3 months
left path
@fiery pebble The issue is they offer 1 price, say they'll notify well ahead of time if they decide to change the price, then mark it up with no warning
not a good look at all
fiery pebble
But to get the question in
whole current
Honestly, I will give Supergiant the benefit of the doubt and say the person on social media made a mistake. But he/she represents their brand, and upholds their reputation. Honor the word of the person you choose to represent your company online.
wraith cedar
I am now convinced I am arguing with a coconut. Goodbye.
vital belfry
Didn't they.... just up the amount of content in their game? It would have been better if they notified that they'd be increasing the price of their game, along with this increased amount of content, before the release of said content.
hallow grove
It isn't complaining to call out bad business practices, dude
tawdry flower
it's not effectively the same thing jesus freakin christr
hallow grove
Are you anti-union as well? I bet 100% you are
fiery pebble
Then say what the difference is
warm hornet
oh my god NO. No one would have complained if after the sale the price goes up to 25
left path
what's better, a few hours or a few days to take advantage of the deal
fiery pebble
Im a bloody leftist in germany
thorn plover
I hate the idea of people thinking the person on their social media made a mistake
fiery pebble
Me being anti-union would be news to me
hallow grove
You are nowhere close to as left as you think you are if this is how you are arguing
fiery pebble
Right, noone wouldve
thorn plover
If they made a mistake it'd mean supergiant never intended to let it be known when price increases were coming
warm hornet
@hallow grove Not a mod or anything but please don't bring personal attacks in I really want to have a productive convo here
fiery pebble
So, why the argument now? In particular, in bad faith, or with a lack of understanding for the law
hallow grove
@warm hornet Fair enouigh
warm hornet
Thanks
hallow grove
I am having the argument because I am a consumer
cerulean urchin
Tell me, why was the price increased to higher than it was before the sale started?
whole current
@fiery pebble Yes, UNO. All these people are arguing in bad faith.🙄
warm hornet
Look, uno, there's a long history of game companies (and salespeople of all sorts tbh) hiking prices during a sale to trick people into thinking they're getting a much better deal than they really are.
whole current
https://external-preview.redd.it/pwgP_F-0Ek3GU91QQTbVbCBbYgMBQsRwNqluUnKrdeo.jpg?width=500&auto=webp&s=52e58078febffe1fc6f5e763422f29aed823c51e This is you right now.
hallow grove
I am buying their game, or trying to. Again. It feels bad, as a consumer, to have an item on sale go from a sale price to a higher price MID-PURCHASE, then to be told "this is actually the real price now."
fiery pebble
And that is a fair thing to complain about, but this is quite clearly not that situation
warm hornet
....
hallow grove
No
scarlet iris
good lord
cerulean urchin
It was $19.99 aaaaaall the way up until just after midnight GMT
hallow grove
It quite clearly is exactly the situation, as evidenced by them saying TODAY they would notify people WELL IN ADVANCE if they change the base price
obsidian shale
@fiery pebble if they had raised the price after the sale I would not be mad at all
fiery pebble
Right, its the same thing, yet its a different reaction
hallow grove
...
cerulean urchin
It's... It's not the same thing at all
hallow grove
It's absurd to me that you don't understand this
fiery pebble
Ok, lets break it down
cerulean urchin
It went on sale at the price of $19.99, but then during the same sale it went to $24.99
You can't DO THAT
vital belfry
The way I see it: They increased the price of their game because it has additional content. They put it on sale because it would give people a chance to still buy the game at the lower price. However, the idea of a 'sale' feels misleading to the public, resulting in this tumultuous chat.
fiery pebble
You can, for one, but more importantly, unless I missed something, the only price other than the one it is right now
cerulean urchin
Uno
fiery pebble
Is the 7$ one they stated was a mistake
cerulean urchin
Uno, you can't just say you can
fiery pebble
I mean, legally you can
obsidian shale
Don't forget that they ensured they would let us all know that they would communicate well in advance that they would raise the price
cerulean urchin
It is CLEARLY STATED
hallow grove
I really want to hear how you can possibly argue that changing the price after a sale is the same as changing it mid sale
cerulean urchin
Multiple countries have laws against this
whole current
@vital belfry They specifically said they would give us a heads up if they were going to raise the price. What you said still doesn't address that they lied.
fiery pebble
Simple
thorn plover
Pretty sure steam got sued over that which is why they disallow price changing during promotions now, so I'm gonna say it's definitely not gray at the very least
fiery pebble
The price it is on sale is the exact same
Nope
Steam was sued in Australia over refund-related things
Specifically misrepresenting Australian customers rights to a refund
small dew
The same as what
thorn plover
steam definitely doesn't allow price changing during promotions. You don't think there might be a legal reason for that?
hallow grove
UNO you've already been linked the steam policy explaining that they are not allowed to do exactly what Supergiant is doing
fiery pebble
The same as it was without the price change
What Steam does is up to them
Their policy is not legal code
For that matter, they have a blanket statement
tawdry flower
that policy is based on legal code
fiery pebble
One that specifically ensures that the possible situation where it would be against the law doesnt arise
vital belfry
@whole current when did they say that? The only thing I have is the thing in announcement saying "We'll strive to provide plenty of advance notice if that happens."
hallow grove
In what universe does Steam come up with a policy that prevents them from making money if not because of legal basis?
fiery pebble
Well, some laws
Blanket policy because they dont have the manpower to monitor everything to deal with it immideatly
next coral
So um. I just joined the server. Um...What's going on?
hallow grove
Absurd
rotund finch
hey so the miscommunication here could be that they meant that the price was changing after the sale and the announcement was supposed to be a heads up? cause its price hasn't changed in the Epic store other the the mistake with the $7 price and it wont go up to $25 till after the sale? wouldn't that solve a lot of this argument here?
warm hornet
@next coral I'm so sorry
whole current
@vital belfry https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1129055307169116160 I mean...it's fairly clear.
trail jasper
I'm just going to wait until it's done and then I'll get it on Steam
next coral
For what @warm hornet ?
trail jasper
It probably won't be on Switch, though
warm hornet
We're having a kind of heated argument about the recent price hike during the epic sale
tawdry flower
the price is already up, thats the issue
fiery pebble
Basically, Iamo712
rotund finch
its not though really cause the price is still $15 right?
obsidian shale
@rotund finch they raised the price during the sale that is the issue
fiery pebble
Its not up, correct
minor pecan
@next coral misunderstandings and miscommunications with various agreements / disagreements.
next coral
Oh. Well thank you for the warm welcome even in this
whole current
With no warning, after giving their word that they would.
obsidian shale
if you say they did not raise the price during the sale, you are incorrect
small dew
It was $7 earlier today, then the dev realized that was too low and they raised the sale price to $15. Even though they said they wouldn’t.
fiery pebble
No, the 7$ thing was a mistake
rotund finch
the $7 was an error though so after that was fixed the price never changed
obsidian shale
lol uno they literally fixed the price so people could get it for $7
warm hornet
Well, it's about the listed base price, too. If they'd kept the 20 dollar base price it would have been discounted to 10.
rotund finch
and the $25 price wont go into effect till after the sale, so thats not effecting it right?
tawdry flower
the price changed
hallow grove
They specifically adjusted the price for people to get it for $7, it was the intended price
cerulean urchin
They upped the price during the sale
tawdry flower
the price is effectively in effect
cerulean urchin
That's the problem
tawdry flower
the price has been upped
whole current
@fiery pebble https://i.imgur.com/zys0s8a.png
vital belfry
@whole current Oof. Yeah. That's a bad look, for sure. It's the lack of communication in advance that's the problem here. Hopefully SGG responds! Sounds like a big miscommunication on their end, for these things to happen back to back in such a short time. An even bigger Oof, for sure.
tawdry flower
this is what happened
warm hornet
The price change is in effect, yeah
obsidian shale
@rotund finch it's $15 now because they raised the price to $25
fiery pebble
Yes, and quickly afterwards they pointed out that that was a mistake
hallow grove
I searched on the internet for 10 minutes before I asked them on Twitter why the price went up
radiant tangle
Everyone who's upset/frustrated about the tweet saying they wouldn't raise the price, please backread in the #supergiant-games channel. Y'all are misunderstanding what was tweeted.
rotund finch
wasnt it $15 though between the $7 mistake and the announcement of the $25 price increase?
thorn plover
it was a mistake when they told us they would give us heads up about changing the price....is that really what you're fighting for?
fiery pebble
3 hours afterwards, right
thorn plover
that's terrible
whole current
Yes, it is us, the consumers that are misunderstanding. Not Supergiant messing up time after time. /s
fiery pebble
Not very quickly
next coral
So pretty much my understanding is that they developed the game further. Increased the price permanently. And the sale just happened at the same time?
whole current
right
fiery pebble
But also makes it clear that this is more than likely miscommunication
scarlet iris
honestly I’m starting to wonder whether or not the game devs/publishers on EGS even knew there was going to be a sale, considering there's been a few games delisted from it
obsidian shale
@next coral they did so after promising fans they would tell them "well in advance"
fiery pebble
Look on the "they promised us they would tell when they change their price" part
thorn plover
missing the fact that they implied no price increase, said they would give heads up and then increased the price anyway
fiery pebble
I have no comment
radiant tangle
For the last time, the tweet was about the price of the game after it is finished. You are all misunderstanding what was tweeted and drawing false conclusions.
obsidian shale
nah
fiery pebble
Was it?
next coral
Well If it's two companies couldn't it be a miscommunication about when everything was happening @obsidian shale ?
olive jungle
@next coral Somebody asked if the final price of the game would go up after its release following Early Access. They said they weren't sure yet - people have been interpreting that tweet as being a lie about the price raising during early access.
next coral
Have a good day @warm hornet !
fiery pebble
Well, this was a massive waste of time
warm hornet
Thanks mate, and welcome to the server
oblique dust
Anyone have the list of things planned for this year? I can't look in game right now and I'm curious.
minor pecan
Just to make it perfectly clear, the initial $7 price was an error:
The lower price point at the start of the sale was in error. We apologize for any confusion this caused. To customers who picked up the game at a reduced price, thank you for your support, and we hope you enjoy the game!
It's usually much quieter than this ^^;
obsidian shale
there are timestamps on the tweets, and we know what time the game went on sale, when they helped customers get the price down to $7, and when they said that they wouldn't raise the price
hallow grove
Cowdex
fiery pebble
Yeah a lot of people came to the server just for this
obsidian shale
@minor pecan doesn't understand the frustration
hallow grove
They adjusted the price of the game for people to get it for $7. You absolutely do not do that to a price in error.
thorn plover
I can't believe some of you are defending the idea of not giving any heads up for price increases. I can't think of another dev that has done that
olive jungle
@oblique dust The roadmap? I think there may be a text version on the wiki!
fiery pebble
The frustration over not getting the mistaken 7$ price?
whole current
Either way this is a huge mess and the majority of the blames lies within Supergiant and their poor handling of the situation/communication.
minor pecan
there are multiple points of confusion here, so clarifying the obvious one.
obsidian shale
fiery pebble
Wow this really is the same situation as League way back
Well, last year isnt way back, I guess
Shrug
minor pecan
@obsidian shale I've read this the past n times it was posted.
vital belfry
This is exactly like Randy Pitchford saying they'd still have heads and skins, and then stating in the same statement they'd have no micro transactions. People miscommunicated that and went wild with it, stating that they lied. Seems like a perfect storm for SGG, but this really doesn't affect how I see the company. Hope everyone doesn't get too upset about this!
left path
welp I wish the team the best of success but I'm definitely soured on the game now
whole current
@vital belfry Hey, you're allowed to have your opinion. Lots of us just feel misled.
fiery pebble
In fact, thats what its all about, isnt it
Not the fact that its "anti-consumer" or something
Its that they didnt get to profit from the mistake as well
hallow grove
Yikes dude
vital belfry
Yeah, and that troubles me, too Drogo. Your opinions are valid!
next coral
Thanks for the explanation! I can see that can be confusing. @olive jungle
hallow grove
Changing a price mid sale is absolutely anti consumer
thorn plover
nah, I got the game at the discounted price and I'm still very pissed at this situation
fiery pebble
They changed a price that doesnt affect you
olive jungle
@next coral No problem, friend.
fiery pebble
A price you could never buy it at, and that has no impact to the one you can for another
month?
obsidian shale
Yeah dude, that is literally it. I wanted to get the game. I was going to buy the game. I saw that the developer was standing by their sale price for the game. I got home and they raised the price 2x.
fiery pebble
What principle?
next coral
@thorn plover I'm curious what you mean?
harsh hatch
whole current
@obsidian shale Yeah, same. Their social media really misled a lot of us.
thorn plover
about it being the principle behind it?
fiery pebble
Again, what principle
tawdry flower
7$ being a mistake does not explain the MSRP price increase
next coral
Yes?
thorn plover
not giving any heads up on a price increase in the middle of sale?
tawdry flower
so im not sure why you're even trying to bring that up
thorn plover
or not giving any heads up on a price increase in general
obsidian shale
the principle that the developer was standing by their sale of the game, and that they weren't intentionally misleading customers (they are)
next coral
Oh. I think it might be a miss communication between the two companies?
fiery pebble
The price they changed is the price it will be in 1 month
Until then, it has no impact
obsidian shale
it does have an impact
fiery pebble
Consider that your "headsup"
thorn plover
but it does though, what are you talking about
thorn plover
it's the new price right now
fiery pebble
That was a mistake
fiery pebble
If they didnt raise the price
And instead just reapplied their sale
It would cost 15$
Same exact amount as it does right now
thorn plover
wtf you're completely ignoring Epic's part in this
supergiant isn't even doing the sale
fiery pebble
14.99$, but thats splitting hairs
fiery pebble
SGG had their own sale originally
hallow grove
Supergiant is MAKING MONEY off of the sale
fiery pebble
One that put Hades to 14.99$
next coral
So pretty much Epic messed up?
obsidian shale
the game was $19.99, they raised it to $25
fiery pebble
It made the Epic discount not apply
obsidian shale
it should be $10, it's now $15
thorn plover
Epic didn't mess up
next coral
@hallow grove Do they not normally?
thin gate
just a heads up, it's now down to $20 USD
fiery pebble
They mistakenly took off that discount
olive jungle
@next coral My money is on that, yes
hallow grove
@next coral Not when they put a sale on their game, no. Epic is footing the profit loss of this sale, so supergiant is makign money.
obsidian shale
instead they raised the price to price gouge
thin gate
It's $20 now, and is $10 with the sale
fiery pebble
10$ was never the case, and never intended
thorn plover
how? it should have been $10 at $20 base
fiery pebble
Again
thorn plover
and it looks like they changed it to that
small dew
Wtf why is it $10 now?
fiery pebble
The sale it had originally
scarlet iris
There it is
hallow grove
Literally this second proven wrong
small dew
Dang how does that feel uno?
obsidian shale
ahahah love it
next coral
Okay? So it looks like they are trying to solve the problem?
fiery pebble
Proven wrong about what, exactly?
next coral
That's good right?
hallow grove
Yes!
fiery pebble
That they are giving in to backlash?
hallow grove
It is good they changed it to $10. I will buy it at $10.
fiery pebble
The point is that it never was 10$, and and no point wouldve been
small dew
Lol
thorn plover
more like they're backpeddaling on their initial very stupid and scummy decision
pliant sapphire
When was the game $10?
next coral
Not Backlash. I think they worked with Epic.
fiery pebble
It never was
pliant sapphire
I bought it like day 1 and it wasn't that cheap lol
fiery pebble
To set the timeline
obsidian shale
It would have been at the initial price of $19.99 with the $10 discount
fiery pebble
It was 14.99$ at the start of the sale
hallow grove
UNo
thorn plover
EGS is giving a 10$ discount which they are footing the bill for
hallow grove
$20/2 = $10
fiery pebble
Then it was 7$ for a second
Then it was 14.99$ again
Now its 10$, but before this point it wouldnt have been
thorn plover
how...?
hallow grove
$10 off of $20 is $10.......
thorn plover
$20(base price) - $10(EGS discount) = $10
fiery pebble
It was at 14.99$
hallow grove
????????????????????
obsidian shale
@fiery pebble it's pretty hilarious how you don't understand that the issue is raising the base price of the game NOT the sale price, damn
tawdry flower
no they didnt
fiery pebble
Caused the Epic Sale to not apply
tawdry flower
SGG sale was 10%
next coral
I think it's a good game. Supergiant had a mistake, we all do? I know Sales go on all the time at Steam? Don't they cause a few minor hiccups?
thorn plover
they said it shouldn't have applied with the EGS discount(for some reason...?), but that would mean the discount should apply to the base price, so $10
scenic peak
So I wonder whether this is going to be in the next (or following) episode of the Developing Hell.
tawdry flower
europe thing
thorn plover
but Super giant decided to raise the base price too
small dew
Nooo it won’t let me buy hades
tawdry flower
@next coral Steam has strict rules against this kind of thing
fiery pebble
The EGS discount only works on games from 15$ and up
And whatever equivalent
It was at 14.99
Meaning the sale didnt apply
thorn plover
it did for me earlier
tawdry flower
it did
scarlet iris
It actually did in us
tawdry flower
its 14.99 and up
obsidian shale
@fiery pebble and they literally adjusted the uk price to over 14.99 to let people get the sale
dude
scarlet iris
In eu it was 14.86 euro meaning it didnt
obsidian shale
it is PROOF
next coral
Against what @tawdry flower ? It doesn't seem like price gouging. It seems like miscommunication. Growing pains for a new platform?
thorn plover
how is it miscommunication?
tawdry flower
its literally price gouging
fiery pebble
They didnt adjust the price, they remove the sale it had
hallow grove
Raising the MSRP of your game during a sale is not miscommunication. Them changing it to $10 shows that.
tawdry flower
they literally increased the MRSP in the middle of a sale
that's not miscommunication
fiery pebble
Thats ... not what price gouging is
brazen prairie
haha my favorite weapon is the spear too
obsidian shale
@fiery pebble they removed the sale it had, ADJUSTING THE PRICE!
thorn plover
they can't remove the EGS sale, what are you talking about?
hallow grove
The $7 was an error. If they had just changed the sale price to $10 and said "hey that was an error, this is right" there would have been no problem.
fiery pebble
Seriously at least the other term was just a misunderstanding of the law
Right, they removed the sale they had
thorn plover
the sale isn't ran or paid for by SSG
fiery pebble
In Error
thorn plover
EGS made up the $10 cost
fiery pebble
Again
SGG had their own sale going
Thats the one that got removed
So the EGS sale applied
obsidian shale
that is called adjusting the price
hallow grove
I literally do not know how your brain works
fiery pebble
Which was a mistake apparently in the case of miscommunication
pliant sapphire
just saying, price gouging is the wrong term
hallow grove
Not saying you don't have one, I just don't understand how it leads you to what you are saying
tawdry flower
it was a mistake that they put it on sale on purpose and then removed said sale?
fiery pebble
But throwing random words in makes your case sound stronger
thorn plover
them saying their sale price no longer counts because of EGS sale is a whole other can of stupid worms, but them taking that off and increasing the base price is the issue here
fiery pebble
The mistake was that they remove the sale
next coral
Between two countries? Also I'm currently studying Economics? Price gouging is to my understanding ''' a term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods, services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair, and is considered exploitative, potentially to an unethical extent.''' Which they set the price to a new constant. If it goes down after then it could be price gouging?
hallow grove
No
fiery pebble
Removed
tawdry flower
no it isn't
hallow grove
The mistake is raising the price of your game during a sale to "fix an error"
tawdry flower
they removed the sale when they put the MSRP to 25$
hoary patrol
From the Supergiant twitter, hours before the MSRP hike: https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1129055307169116160
fiery pebble
So if they had reapplied their own sale
Then increased the price at the very end of the EGS sale
You wouldve been fine with it, right?
thorn plover
it makes it seem like it was done strictly in response to EGS sale(which they don't pay for at all), so they could get more money
fiery pebble
Despite it being the same thing
obsidian shale
@hoary patrol get ready for the defenders to come after you saying that they meant "The full game price after the sale and early access"
olive jungle
@hoary patrol That tweet is in reference to the final release of the game at the end of Early Access - it was a poorly timed statement, but they were answering an unrelated question
obsidian shale
BOOM
hallow grove
The reasoning behind your actions MATTER
obsidian shale
^they didn
thorn plover
which they didn't
fiery pebble
The new price once it matters
obsidian shale
lol
obsidian shale
this dude is c r a z y
fiery pebble
The new 25$ price has no impact or effect until whenever the EGS sale ends
next coral
Aardvark I don't understand why we are so worked up about this? Can't we give them another chance?
hallow grove
How does the price of an item NOT MATTER DURING A SALE
tawdry flower
that makes no sense
thorn plover
I don't think you understand the EGS sale has nothing to do with SSG
obsidian shale
please don't
fiery pebble
They dont increase the base price, and reapply their sale
The game costs 14.99$ right now
thorn plover
if anything SG seemed like they were milking the EGS deal to get more money
fiery pebble
After the sale, they increase the price to 24.99$
Option 2
They dont reapply their sale, and increase the base price
It costs 14.99$ right now
And after the sale, 24.99$
hallow grove
??????
tawdry flower
so you're saying that they should pretend they are on sale while keeping the same exact price, and that's supposed to be a heads up, which literally would make it so it literally isn't a sale at all?
unborn jackal
The sale applies at $14.99
next coral
So pretty much a delayed increase of price?
obsidian shale
yeah that's the most ass backward explanation i have ever seen
scenic peak
Wait, so what does it cost right now?
tawdry flower
like " OH LOOK AT THIS GAME ON SALE" (it's full priced)
obsidian shale
$19.99 sale price $9.99
fiery pebble
They dont "pretend they are on sale"
hallow grove
@scenic peak $10, which is the correct price
fiery pebble
Its on sale
rotund finch
hey guys... please can we stop this its not getting anywhere and is just frustrating everyone? personally i want to trust SGG and give them the benefit of the doubt in saying that this was all a miscommunication in some way either internally or through the Epic store or timing. Even if it wasnt its over now right? Either way they changed the price the address the backlash and hopefully have learned from it and it wont happen again. we can chill now 
fiery pebble
Again
thorn plover
but they're not putting it on sale
fiery pebble
There was never a point where it was 9.99
obsidian shale
I will chill when unoven stops spreading misinfo
lament oriole
Seems like it has been reverted to the old price without the original discount
17.49 -10 from epic
thorn plover
which is fine if the previous sale was an error
fiery pebble
No, there was a point where it cost 6.99$
Which was a mistake
That was an error
I think it was 6.99$?
tawdry flower
i mean them correcting the price again pretty much confirms UNO is 100% wrong in this
hallow grove
Again; it is fixed. This is good. They raised their price during a sale. This is bad. Both can exist in the same sphere.
thorn plover
again they were offering the sale before EGS sale, and they were separate things, so I don't quite get why it's an error, but w/e
fiery pebble
Miscommunication is my guess
next coral
So it looks like a mistake happened and they are resolving the issue?
fiery pebble
Sort of?
tawdry flower
it wasn't a mistake
pliant sapphire
probably didn't know EGS was boutta shred $10 off their product when they decided to put it on sale
fiery pebble
They resolved it originally, people threw a hissy fit, now they overcompensated to placate people
thorn plover
sounds more like they realized people would be pissed at them for doing something greedy, and they backpeddaled
scenic peak
My guess is they didn't want to be the people that raised the price in the middle of a sale even though that wasn't they're original intention.
hallow grove
Holy moly you are smug
pliant sapphire
meaning they no longer needed to be on sale to sell extra copies for the new update
next coral
@tawdry flower How wasn't it a mistake?
fiery pebble
Irritated, actually
hallow grove
Why is someone condescending like that allowed
fiery pebble
You can explain the same concept only so many times before you get a headache
lament oriole
@fiery pebble That wasn't a mistake, they literally had Galyonkin contact them to fix it so it would match the american discount, which they did. They admitted so to other people as much on twitter
fiery pebble
Right, but as it turns out, that price was a mistake
tawdry flower
@next coral do you think they raised the MSRP to 25$ and put out a statement on discord saying so after...on accident?
fiery pebble
They said as much on twitter
tawdry flower
that sounds unlikely
next coral
@tawdry flower They are just human. And human's make mistakes
thorn plover
hey that's the first thing we agree on @fiery pebble . I'm getting a headache explaining this over and over as well
next coral
@fiery pebble We all are fans of SuperGiant. And we just want the community & company to be the best it can be.
hallow grove
Agreed
fiery pebble
The game going on sale for 6.99$ without even being out for any significant amount of time sounds "unlikely" to you?
I mean hell, Transistor wasnt that cheap for 2 years post-release IIRC
thorn plover
they put it on a sale for $17
thorn plover
EGS put a blanket sale on their store front of another $10
SGG had nothing to do with that sale
EGS foot the bill for that additional sale
next coral
I think these are good points. A lot of things have been discussed here and I think Supergiant will be able to answer them in the near future.
thorn plover
so it being an error is odd since they're still getting paid like the consumer bought it at $17
fiery pebble
Uh, yeah about that
thorn plover
what their sale was originally
fiery pebble
Do you have a source for that?
thorn plover
about EGS footing the bill?
next coral
Bye Book! Have another good Day/Night!
fiery pebble
Because its a bit odd that developers would take games from the EGS temporarily if they didnt lose out on any money
Yes
lament oriole
it's not a mistake if you say "This pricing issue should be sorted out now, thank you for your patience!" if a user asks you why they don't have the game for the regional equivalent of $7 US
opaque star
Has anyone from SGG commented on the fact they said earlier today that they'd give proper notice if there was going to be a price hike?
thin gate
when you're at the checkout for buying stuff rn it cause it's a courtesy from Epic Games
tawdry flower
it's not really that odd
hallow grove
WHAT
opaque star
I just got here
hoary patrol
Raising the MSRP in direct response to the Epic sale was a terrible move on so many levels. Good on Supergiant for fixing that mistake.
hallow grove
The store LITERALLY says Epic is paying the $10
tawdry flower
you might not lose money directly but price perception is a thing that can damage your sales
whole current
Honestly, this isn't right for me until they place it back at the 7 dollar price. Right now it's just Epic footing their bill, no discount from them. still have a sour taste in my mouth due to it.
tawdry flower
UNO have you even bothered to open the store
thorn plover
"You don’t have to do anything. During the sale, all games priced $14.99 and above are an additional $10 off, courtesy of Epic."
pliant sapphire
wait hold on
hallow grove
Nah, that's wrong @whole current
next coral
@opaque star Welcome Buddy! You too huh.
pliant sapphire
just one question
lament oriole
@tawdry flower don't disagree. In that case remove the game like paradox did
whole current
@hallow grove ?
fiery pebble
Huh
pliant sapphire
Why are some people feeling entitled to this game for $7 exactly?
wraith cedar
Over compensated to fix it?
fiery pebble
Weird that so many devs took off their games then
wraith cedar
Where? I haven't seen anything?
tawdry flower
not weird at all UNO
thorn plover
so many is a stretch
wraith cedar
Been on the way home this entire time tbh
next coral
@opaque star It's kinda Chaos but a lot of points have been said. It's an interesting melting pot in here.
thorn plover
two other games did
olive jungle
@opaque star The tweet was about the price at final release - the timing is unfortunate, but it was about a different matter than the sale stuff
tawdry flower
again, price perception is a thing
thin gate
i don't think removing hades from the store would be right because it's the only place to get it
wraith cedar
That sounds like an excuse at best @olive jungle
hallow grove
@whole current The Vampire people said they had no idea the sale was coming. So neither did SGG. I undertand that they did have it up for $7, but they clearly did not intend that. $19.99 to $10 is what was intended.
tawdry flower
Epic might foot the bill for the discount but your game getting historically cheap has real consequences
thorn plover
some games not even out yet were getting sold at like 60~70% off due to regional pricing mixed with the $10 off
olive jungle
Ok, you can read it that way, but the exact wording of the initial tweet is Will the price for Hades increase after the game is done being Early Access and is released as a full game?
opaque star
I mean, that's a side step
fiery pebble
So its miscommunication
tawdry flower
people will avoid it at full price and wait for a similar deal
fiery pebble
What a shock
thorn plover
which is why bloodlines2 went off
hallow grove
Uno
tawdry flower
yeah some countries had Bloodlines 2 for 5$
opaque star
If they wanted to give notice on a rate hike for full release, it stands to reason they would do the same for rate hikes during EA
hallow grove
It can be a misscomunication AND bad business practice at the same time
thorn plover
but again that has zilch to do with SGG
scarlet iris
hades is a pretty good game, btw
hallow grove
What do you not understand about this
opaque star
And they didn't
hallow grove
It was a miscommunication/error to have it at $7. It was not a miscommunication/error to say "Oh we raised the base price so it's actually $15 now."
lament oriole
@scarlet iris no one is disputing that. I recommended it to everyone
fiery pebble
Why you think a practice that has no impact on you other than giving warning about a future price increase is "bad business practice"
next coral
It can be both @hallow grove But we can't do much but speculate and possibly get the wrong answers about this until they tell us more.
fiery pebble
Especially if we assume that they legit had no idea the sale was coming or how it works
Like Paradox did
hallow grove
@next coral I agree, but UNO saying "well I'm right because it was clearly a miscommunication" is ignoring the fact that changing MSRP during a sale is a bad practice
scarlet iris
@lament oriole haha, dont take it that way - just trying to change vibe
Everything is going in circles here
No one is saying anything new
opaque star
The game is only available on one platform right now so if the platform causes you problems like this, it impacts a customer's willingness to buy it
tawdry flower
not a future price increase
fiery pebble
It would be if it had any impact on the intended or desired price, since it doesnt, its not
tawdry flower
its a current price increase
lament oriole
I didn't, I just agreed with you to do the same XD @scarlet iris
opaque star
The reasoning, miscommunication or otherwise, is pointless
next coral
I think UNO is just passionate about the game and community and doesn't like to see the company attacked possibly unjustly.
hallow grove
@fiery pebble It DID affect me though. Them raising their price would have made me buy the game at $15. It is now $10, after they have fixed everything
hallow grove
There is a difference between defending and deflecting all critisism
fiery pebble
After they have changed everything. Lets assume you are SGG
And you dont know about the sale
next coral
@hallow grove Do you think it's worth it though to support the developer for $5 extra dollars?
fiery pebble
And you think you are going to be losing out on that 10$ from a sale that wasnt announced to you
opaque star
Supporting the developer isn't the question at this point
hallow grove
@next coral No, I do not think it is worth supporting a developer who gauges their own price to make money
fiery pebble
Since apparently thats what happened to Paradox
thorn plover
but you're not losing out on $10
thin gate
are the devs even losing out on the 10 tho
thorn plover
but they did though
lament oriole
aight, I'm out. Have a nice... timezone everyone
thorn plover
paradox didn't want their unreleased for a year+ game to be valued at like 5$
next coral
@hallow grove Then why are we contributing to this chaos if it isn't worth $5 extra dollars?
fiery pebble
I looked into it, and from what I could tell, one of the EGS guys actually straight up said "so apparently they didnt know?"
thorn plover
link?
hallow grove
@next coral Stop equating moral decisions with monetary ones
thin gate
yeah if they didn't know that's incredibly bad on epic's part
hallow grove
@next coral I am willing to pay Supergiant $10. I am willing to pay them $20. I am not willing to pay a company any amount of money if they apply anti-consumer tactics to make money
thorn plover
even then it's super easy to see EGS is footing the bill
thorn plover
I'm just a consumer and I found it in ten seconds of searching
final herald
From what everyone has seen of this mess, Epic didn't inform anyone about the sale in advance.
Ubisoft also took their games off the store because of how the 10$ bonus discount messed with their set prices.
opaque star
Yeah, and if you don't like that, Epic is still the only way to get Hades
fiery pebble
This is the comment in question
Окей, по поводу пункта 4.
Я был уверен, что Paradox были в курсе механизма распродажи. После небольшого расследования, выяснилось, что я ошибался.
next coral
@hallow grove They care about their community. They aren't trying to make a quick buck, to my understanding. They are trying to say, "I've put this much time into a project I care about. It's at this price. Now I've added more time. I think it should cost more."
opaque star
So you still have to give them money
fiery pebble
From Sergey Galyonkin (former steamspy guy and I think head of eastern european publishing for Epic?)
thorn plover
We have zero evidence of EGS not telling people for one
opaque star
They're absolutely making a quick buck by changing the price without notice
hallow grove
@next coral Nope. Increasing your MSRP during a sale is absolutely trying to make a quick buck, especially when you are not the ones losing the money during the sale
scarlet iris
Sergey is top honcho for the game store ai thinl
opaque star
Especially if Epic is indeed footing the 10 dollar discount bill
hallow grove
It's EXACTLY that
thin gate
tbh we just have to wait for supergiant to say anything about it, if they do
thorn plover
and I don't know russian, so I can't read that article lol. Translate makes it seem like they realized regional pricing was messing with bloodlines2 pricing and not necessarily the sale
fiery pebble
To roughly translate it, it says "about the fourth point (Paradox being informed about the sale and its mechanics)
I was sure that Paradox was informed about the mechanics of the sale. After some investigation, it appears that was incorrect"
Straight from the guy who is head of eastern european publishing for epic games
final herald
We literally have publishers temporarily removing their games from the store because they didn't know about its mechanics and saying as such, what zero evidence?
hallow grove
@thin gate Them doing the right thing and making it $10 is enough for me, because it shows that they realize hiking the price up was a mistake
next coral
@hallow grove But it can also be a communication problem. That isn't the only solution. It's one made by greedy companies, but has SuperGiant. Arguably an Indie Developer, a greedy company?
thorn plover
where does Paradox say they didn't know?
opaque star
They realized it was a mistake, but only because people questioned it almost immediately
fiery pebble
Paradox doesnt
hallow grove
@next coral Not as a whole, no, but there are first steps to everything. Hiking a price during a sale to make more money is absolutely a first step. Reducing the price again is a good step backwards.
opaque star
They consciously wanted to prey on their fanbase during this sale
thorn plover
and the comment gives:
"The publisher was informed in advance about the sale mechanism and was aware of its conditions."
fiery pebble
The guy who oversees publishing for Epic Games says it
Yes that was the fourth point
He then addresses in another comment saying what I roughly translated above
Specifically that it turns out, they werent
So, there you have it
next coral
@hallow grove Okay. With that said, what else do we need to say? Actions are being taken. We can't do anything more that.
vital belfry
@opaque star I think that's a terribly loaded word there, Ion.
fiery pebble
To reiterate, this is the comment
Окей, по поводу пункта 4.
Я был уверен, что Paradox были в курсе механизма распродажи. После небольшого расследования, выяснилось, что я ошибался.
opaque star
How so?
thorn plover
fair enough. looks like paradox missed the memo, but it sounds like that wasn't a usual thing
hallow grove
@next coral I already said that I am perfectly happy accepting the $10 price point as an apology. But it doesn't take back what they did. It's something you have to remember.
opaque star
They're getting paid for the 10 dollar discount, fans are buying it on sale, and they increased the overall price
fiery pebble
Yeah, the russian translation is correct
opaque star
What do you call that?
fiery pebble
In google translate
I mean, judging by how many publishers took their games off
And this whole mess
fiery pebble
Im afraid it probably was a usual thing
thorn plover
wtf are you on
next coral
@hallow grove I have a good memory. I hope you have a good day GonSmithe. Or night?
final herald
Not two games, but rather two publishers took their games off.
At least four games were taken off the store.
fiery pebble
Yeah
hallow grove
@next coral You as well! Thank you for keeping our discussion civil and not trying to condescend me. Also night 😛
fiery pebble
Klei and Paradox
thorn plover
you know what, whatever, this conversation has gone on long enough, and clearly we're not changing our minds. best to end it now
final herald
If Klei also removed their games, then three publishers.
fiery pebble
Wait there was a third one?
thorn plover
what's the third?
fiery pebble
I knew of Klei and Paradox
final herald
Ubisoft.
opaque star
I've said what I wanted to say, and it seems SGG isn't inputting beyond their announcement, so I guess that's it. Take it easy all
fiery pebble
Oh right
thorn plover
ubisoft was unrelated
fiery pebble
They did
thorn plover
and like a week ago
final herald
Watch_Dogs 2, The Division 2 and Anno 1800 are gone from the store.
thorn plover
due to issues with uplay integration
hallow grove
Not removed today, though
thorn plover
a week ago
fiery pebble
Is that so?
Then its only Klei and Paradox
Still, thats 2 seperate publishers, plus this whole thing and the original price being an error
rotund finch
the devs comment in announcements guys we can chill please
olive jungle
If this is quieting down, could we maybe move to #off-topic-discussion ?
fiery pebble
Wait we werent?
olive jungle
Since this channel is really supposed to be about the content of the game
fiery pebble
Ill be damned
Well, back to Hades then
What does the black metal boon do again?
Is that the one that increases radius
next coral
So! Favorite level of Hell?
prisma wind
Yeah, Black Metal increases AoE
warm hornet
Oh thank god are we done
olive jungle
God elysium is so pretty
warm hornet
YEAHHH
olive jungle
YEAH
fiery pebble
Theyre just perfect enemy designs
radiant tangle
I like Asphodel bc it means I get to date fight the Hydra
fiery pebble
So fun to face
hallow grove
I'm very excited to start playing Hades 😃
warm hornet
god I walked into elysium the first time and just
olive jungle
the exalted are good fighty boys
vital belfry
Hooray! A response. And rather quickly too! A nice apology. Glad to see it happen, SGG.
warm hornet
walked around for like five mins
fiery pebble
Asphodel is probably my least favourite
olive jungle
neon on black is a hot aesthetic
fiery pebble
Because that elite crusher on megagorgon can go to hell
brazen prairie
Elysium makes me so happy to just walk around, yeah. So beautiful.
fiery pebble
.... on second thought, that would be rather pointless
warm hornet
oh my god I hate the gorgons so much
fiery pebble
He can go to Hades's laundry
prisma wind
The Elite Skullcrusher moves too fast nevermind when you add WF
warm hornet
I'm a hot mess against them every time
next coral
It's always Hot in hell @warm hornet
warm hornet
hah
next coral
Thank you
warm hornet
I'm not big on asphodel EXCEPT when I get 90% reduction on trap damage
then I'm out here strolling over lava just chilling
fiery pebble
I find Gorgons to be pretty easy to manage after a while
warm hornet
I really like using traps against enemies but don't quite have the reflexes to pull it off lmoa
fiery pebble
Their shots dont curve very much
warm hornet
I need to practice parrying I guess
next coral
I always ignore reduction on Trap damage. I sit in the lava like a man and take that damage
fiery pebble
Burnflingers on the other hand suck
They always do that fast attack whenever you dare think to go into an attack animation
Wavemakers are cool though
obsidian shale
I'm buying the game now. Phew. That was something.
fiery pebble
Im slightly annoyed that the waves dont destroy burnflinger projectiles
Or at least, I dont think they do?
prisma wind
I find Wavemakers are almost trivial as long as you're paying attention. They don't have very aggressive tracking
fiery pebble
Theyre dangerous when theyre off-screen
Since the waves keep accelerating
At least, I think they do?
prisma wind
They accelerate up to a point, but I think it tops out pretty quick (this is anecdotal, I haven't examined the data on this)
fiery pebble
Huh
Otherwise it wouldve been fun, if we ever got a deflecting enemy, to try and recreate the black hole glitch from Super Smash Bros
Oh yeah, do you know what that little icon Artemis-enhanced enemies have in god trials is?
grave zodiac
its so sastifying to deflect all of the projectiles from them tho
fiery pebble
Deflection is very satisfying in general
Its easily my favourite thing to do in the game
grave zodiac
tru especially when your fighting the hydra, it can be a tricky with fighting the meggagorgon and trying to dodge at the same time but still fun
wraith cedar
I've been away for a bit - fill me in - anything new?
grave zodiac
same but i think the backstab damage that you get from hitting it from all sides compensates my dislike for them
fiery pebble
Wait thats a thing?
wraith cedar
Ah - good fix, SGG.
fiery pebble
I always thought they were immune to backstab
grave zodiac
last time i checked, yep
grave zodiac
now your making me seecond guess myself lol
fiery pebble
Hey Ive been wrong about mechanics before
I thought for a while that knocking enemies into other enemies caused damage to both
prisma wind
You sort of can with the... Breaking Wave? boon
timber topaz
I think you can?
prisma wind
One sec, I'll check if that's actually it
fiery pebble
I also thought it was possible, but Im pretty sure its not?
prisma wind
Yes, it's Breaking Wave
But it's an indirect damage, not directly from the enemies themselves
fiery pebble
Yeah its close
But all I want is to be able to use a spear to slam a gorgon into a bloodless while yelling "FORE!"
But I guess its a problem to implement
grave zodiac
alas 😔
stable plinth
Now I'm just imagining a joke update where Zag yells FORE FORE FORE every time he attacks with a spear. In a gruff drill sergeant voice
fiery pebble
Actually on that topic
Please let Zagreus say "I think that enemy got ... the point" when he gets a kill with the spear
radiant tangle
But you gotta make it every time he gets a kill with the spear
fiery pebble
And he inexplicably grows a mustache whenever he says it
grave zodiac
lost jetty
Someone make a meme of that, please. XD
brisk trail
anyone try playing Hades through the Steam Link? Its a contoller game, so sitting on the couch would be awesome if it works
prisma wind
I can't say I've heard anything one way or the other about Steam Link and Hades
vestal lodge
@brisk trail I haven't tried, but I do have both of those things...
prisma wind
Sounds like an experiment is in order 
Experiments are fun. Like my 3 hammer experiment! It was fun, too 
gleaming geode
yeah, I'm so confused.
The original price is $10.
Then it went $12.5
now it's back to $10.
olive jungle
gleaming geode
Um..but that was the original price in India..
prisma wind
I'm not sure how the sale affected regional pricing, since those differ from the NA pricing already
olive jungle
Any regional stuff is on Epic, I'd imagine
gleaming geode
very strange..so there won't be a sale on specific regions?
olive jungle
That's up to Epic
lapis seal
Anyone playing this on a laptop? How is it?
olive jungle
Runs fine on my HP Omen
lapis seal
Watching gameplay this reminds me of that awful Transistor game, is it better than that one?
olive jungle
If you didn't like Transistor, I'm not sure you're going to like Supergiant's games in general...
prisma wind
The gameplay is different than Transistor, if that's what you mean
prisma wind
The overall combat feel is much closer to Bastion
olive jungle
Agreed
lapis seal
do most play it with a M+KB or is it good on a gamepad?
prisma wind
There's a mix
olive jungle
Works well on either
lapis seal
right on
prisma wind
They recommend controller, but honestly go with whichever you're most comfortable with
lapis seal
I wish Epic Game store had CAD prices, I'll have to pay exchange now
languid plank
I'm brand new to discord. Where do I report glitches? It wont let me post to the other discussion boards
olive jungle
F10 in-game
hollow bane
can you save progress during a run in this game, like in Binding of Isaac Rebirth?
olive jungle
Yes
prisma wind
I'm pretty sure they do have CAD prices, last I checked
gleaming geode
does Epic even have a sale support?
olive jungle
What do you mean?
gleaming geode
I mean how do I contact them regarding the inconsistent sale prices?
languid plank
They literally just had a reddit post where they said they wont refund if that's what you mean
lapis seal
what?
gleaming geode
no, no. I haven't bought anything.
lapis seal
but they stated they give refunds up to 2 weeks under 2 hours played!
olive jungle
Can we keep discussion of Epic Games to #off-topic-discussion please?
This is a Hades channel
gleaming geode
okay, my bad.
languid plank
So where do I send bugs?
lapis seal
Darilla do you have that post?
prisma wind
Press F10 in game for bugs
jolly lodge
F10
humble pulsar
imo if you're looking for a very general description of Hades, it has a lot of similar gameplay feel as Bastion (but much faster) but the narrative feel is much more character based, like Transistor.
Its gameplay isnt a clone of Bastion though, it manages to be unique due to a wide variety of elements which change as you play, although I'd say its slightly easier to pick up than Bastion.
And the character focus on the narrative is honestly perfect for Hades. With so many "famous" characters of myth, the way the narrative is done allows for Supergiant to imprint unique quirks and personalities onto them, and overall makes the game's story well done.
jolly lodge
the story is also more about kinship and less about culture clash
jolly lodge
it's daddy issue but it's not nuclear family, it's a very extended family too
including adoptive mother, hot mentor, cleaner maid, dog, etc.
marble sphinx
what's with the weird price increase and immediate walkback?
lapis seal
I did just get it
I didn't get to the first boss yet
does that change the way people feel or something?
rotund finch
Not that I know of lol I was just curious
rotund finch
Its awesome that your liking it so far
lapis seal
had a long day, early rise tomorrow
It reminds of a better Diablo 2
Diablo 2 was my fav of the series
rotund finch
That's great lol I can see that