Two, his legendary is wonky to get
#h1-discussion
lapis cedar
quick question, what's a legendary?
frosty mountain
leaving potentiality aside, I'll say that damage boosting boons are contradictive in their design.
for most weapons there is a clear best in slot damage increasing boon. you could say that certain boons "enable" certain playstyles. a really simple example is: zeus enables and is enabled by high attack speed weapons.
However we lack the agency to access specific boons, apart from the god keepsakes.
and because of this, I don't think small differentiation (like: zeus and dio) are in a good place. Like, they are mechanically slightly different but benefit the same playstyles. Yet you don't often get to choose which of the 2 you'll get.
This argument struggles to address god keepsakes. But god keepsakes are a really important different debate.
worn gale
a very rare version of a boon, which you can only get under certain conditons and you can only get once per run as I'm aware of it
fiery pebble
Theyre special boons that have a rarity of their own
They have several prerequisites
And have unique and usually powerful effects
I say usually because Aphrodites sucks
lapis cedar
Thanks @worn gale and @fiery pebble
true mortar
@frosty mountain I know what you mean but I think thats the appeal. We can select weapon and which god we will get first (not even when) and then you have to roll with the punches
otherwise you would come up with your perfect setup and game would lose the reliability value
frosty mountain
to be completely frank, I dislike god keepsakes
It's nice to have some agency
but I find myself really falling into patterns
hexed smelt
i like them because i can sit there and think "okay, what sort of build do i want to aim for?" or else i can pick something else and just roll with whatever rng decides to give me
frosty mountain
I'd much rather if boons were equally appropriate for all weapons and I had to truly make do with what the game gives me
I totally get that sparrow, and I feel the same way at times.
sick tree
@fiery pebble - Dude, you seem to say stuff like: "this sucks" or "this is objectively worse than this" a lot
If it's just a matter of what you enjoy or find easiest to use
Then own that and say stuff like: "I'm bad a this" or "I don't enjoy playing with this as much as this"
But if you genuinely belive a set of boons or a weapon is OBJECTIVELY worse than another one,
Then don't complain about it here, put it in the feedback thread, because if you're right: that means the game isn't balanced properly and can be fixed
fiery pebble
Nah I mean it sucks in the sense that turning enemies doesnt seem to do anything
Ive had it thrice now
Its never done a single thing
true mortar
I wish there was another non god character Dedalus and you could get his keepsake that would let you pick one from ALL weapon upgrades. Sometimes I really want to try something and then I get hammer and the choice im looking for is not there
frosty mountain
I just feel like their existence makes my game less varied. You could say "don't use them", but at times you really should use them. Because some weapons benefit from certain boons a ridiculous amount
fiery pebble
True, but thats a problem with the boons and weapons rather than keepsakes
Keepsakes are fine
They give you the ability to go for some neat synergies while still being fairly random
You only guarantee one boon after all
frosty mountain
like, why would I pick aphrodite with the rail when I can pick zeus/dio? The disparity is too big.
frosty mountain
yeah but when was the last time you played spear without zeus keepsake
sick tree
Then put that in the feedback thread!
If it's actually broken then tell SGG so they can fix it!!
If it's not, then you're just pointlessly making other people feel bad for enjoying a part of the game you don't
true mortar
@frosty mountain my first clear was spear without zeus 😮
frosty mountain
I mean yeah
true mortar
@sick tree wow mate easy there. Maybe we just want to talk. If you feel bad because someone doesnt like something you do then.... isnt that your problem?
frosty mountain
but if you're really trying to make your chances the best they can be, you really should be picking zeus. it's "the meta" if you will. and that's ok, there will always be a meta. I'd much rather be picking from interesting synergies/utilities over just the biggest dps
hexed smelt
No, Kabuh, and as they're not currently in-game, please don't discuss them on the server.
burnt grove
ditto
fiery pebble
I did consider modding the game to balance out the flat damage to %
But Im not sure its quite so simple
burnt grove
there are open scripts for how you modify the stats
hexed smelt
i'd advise against modding the game as it's not officially supported and you're liable to break things if you go poking around in there
burnt grove
ye - but you can just redownload the game if you break something
and it's hard to do some memory leak in lua unless you make un-ending While loop
fiery pebble
True, its merely a possibility thats being considered, for now
burnt grove
it's actually a great thing about this game - if you dont like some tiny aspect of the game - you can change it.
pastel nacelle
livid cargo
Which is unique among SGG games
pastel nacelle
sick tree
@true mortar - Look, if you think you see a genuine balance issue, report it, if you're right: it'll get fixed and the game will be better for everyone,
If you don't like something but recognise it's not OBJECTIVELY worse than the alternatives, fine~
But if you treat your preferences like they're absolute truth, you're just being elitist
And if you think you see a genuine issue but choose to argue about it in the discussion thread instead of telling the devs,
You're implicitly suggesting you care more about lording your greater knowledge of the game over people than you do about actually making it better for everyone
I don't care if you agree with me, I care if you treat people with respect when they disagree with you.
burnt grove
@pastel nacelle my usual HP when i finish off Hydra
every time you survive just barely
pastel nacelle
FRICK
FRACK
died
I feel like most of the rail's hammer upgrades are pretty garbage with the exception of the triple special
the increased mag/rof one has severe accuracy penalties and the accelerating one doesn't increase the range at all
burnt grove
i like no reload actually
pastel nacelle
I haven't seen that one
burnt grove
slower fire + unlimited clip
fiery pebble
Also the RoF one should remain accurate if you hold down the key?
Idk, Ive found that one to be great
burnt grove
pairs nice with Arthemis crits
hexed smelt
i had that one with zeus attack once 🤤
fiery pebble
Accelerating one is weird
It lets you shoot around corners and lets you forego aim
But on controllers the latter isnt terribly relevant
And the former is just so niche
livid cargo
oh thats why it seems like it doesn't do anything
true mortar
The increased ROF makes you miss a lot. I don't like it.
burnt grove
btw, @hexed smelt - can you please send upwards an idea to make a trinket of Forced hammer spawn? just like trinkets for forced boons?
hexed smelt
i cannot
livid cargo
Mods just keep the peace
pastel nacelle
the accelerating one is useless imo cause the range is so short, the acceleration can't get high enough to matter and the seeking just screwed with my range more than anything
burnt grove
you just watch us to behave properly - do you?
pastel nacelle
Also the higher rof/mag size one if anything decreased accuracy as I held it down
burnt grove
i see
hexed smelt
yup! i'm just y'alls babysitter
livid cargo
They do that and make terrible, terrible jokes
hexed smelt
;P
pastel nacelle
it'd be spraying in a huge cone
livid cargo
And I hope none of them ever change
hexed smelt
hey! these are high-quality terrible jokes.
true mortar
Give us one 😄
hexed smelt
sorry, joke machine 🅱roke
burnt grove
than - question to the community - do you want to see forced hammer spawn trinket?
hexed smelt
i think it's been suggested in feedback before and got shot down
pastel nacelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vecj16mXQY sparro is this you
frosty mountain
the suggestion gets thrown around a lot
burnt grove
what was the reason?
pastel nacelle
the hammer used to be required for the bow to not be ass
livid cargo
Probably because the keepsake becomes literally useless
frosty mountain
sgg don't specify why they agree with feedback or not
pastel nacelle
yeah
livid cargo
Now I think the idea of a keepsake that interacted with the Hammer would be a good idea
pastel nacelle
And it feels like you only rarely run into the same god in an area more than once
frosty mountain
it's good that the desire is out there. if it's shot down, there must be a good reason behind it
pastel nacelle
I've had some times where, like, I pick artemis trinket and only run into her once, but sometimes when I pick zeus and run into him 3 times in a row
frosty mountain
and we don't necessarily need to know the exact reason
fiery pebble
My guess is its because the hammer is guaranteed in a run anyway
pastel nacelle
fiery pebble
So all that keepsake would do is get you to start with it, which would be kind of a trap
true mortar
Is it?
burnt grove
btw - does ANYBODY enjoy Athena perks?
pastel nacelle
I've gone several runs to the hydra without finding the hammer
frosty mountain
it is, pretty sure
pastel nacelle
athena perks are dead draws
fiery pebble
You cannot finish a run without getting the option of the hammer
pastel nacelle
they kill me more often than they're useful
true mortar
Like I said make it let you choose from all specyfic weapon upgrades once?
hexed smelt
it annoys me that athena is the only god who has "here's some gold" as one of her boons
radiant tangle
I enjoy Athena perks, though I seem to be in the minority
hexed smelt
not counting poseidon, as sunken treasure gives more than just gold
fiery pebble
Problem is it might be in the last room
So you wont see the hammer until the very end
radiant tangle
Very wrong, Athena gives a damage reduction as one of her boons
hexed smelt
the name's sparrow, i'm just wine-themed for the month ;P
fiery pebble
Now I just want Athena to say "Cash Money"
burnt grove
Im pretty sure poseidon have 2 perks for resourses that you can get anyways
pastel nacelle
athena all "I'm gonna pay you $100 to frick off"
true mortar
Dont make fun of Athena's cash boon, I bought my favourite poster thanks to her 😉
radiant tangle
The boons that only give immediate benefits, Athena's gold and Poseidon's box of stuff, are reusable
pastel nacelle
I'm so glad they made it so you can shoot the hydra projectiles
fiery pebble
Its especially amazing on 500% damage
burnt grove
use Athena to buy an item to worship Aphrodite - im pretty sure that's how Trojan war started
true mortar
@burnt grove I know man. I love the irony.
pastel nacelle
lmao kabuh
frosty mountain
frick kabuh is right
fiery pebble
Also I love how everyone here is circumventing the no cursewords rule
hexed smelt
livid cargo
Blood and darkness
pastel nacelle
athena, aphrodite and someone else wanted to know who was the hottest or something, so they went to paris and offered him battle tactics, the hottest babe in the world and.. something else, he picked the hottest babe, which was aphrodite's gift, so aphrodite yeeted helen over to paris and that's what started the trojan war
radiant tangle
It's ineffable
burnt grove
so yeah - i gonna make a mod that switches athena forced boon into hammer force trinket - if it wont be there on release version
thats fo sho
pastel nacelle
it was mostly just aphrodite being a flighty broad
frosty mountain
there's an apple of eris somewhere in there, but I don't recall the specifics
livid cargo
I think a hammer force keepsake is boring
burnt grove
someone else was our edgelord cutie - Arthemis
livid cargo
it would take a lot of work, but a godless keepsake, in which you get rid of all god boons in a run and replace them with toned-down hammer upgrades, might be interesting
frosty mountain
this guy gets it
fiery pebble
Poor Meg is gonna get so hammered before she even gets a drink
livid cargo
Zag decides to cosplay as a Hammer Bro
burnt grove
cast evolution - Thor's hammer - wrong mythology tho
red coral
The Apple of Eris was the gift from Eris, who was the only goddess not invited to a wedding party. She dropped the apple in anonymous with the words “for the fairest” and that’s how the fight started
fiery pebble
Hold on
fiery pebble
Do they drink anything but Ambrosia?
true mortar
Wine? 😛
frosty mountain
and they asked paris to tell them who the fairest was
frosty mountain
ambrosia is FOOD. nectar is the drink
fiery pebble
Where Meg and Zag drink a bunch
And start seeing the shade of Elvis Presley and a miniature dolphin who then start singing
burnt grove
thx @frosty mountain
lapis cedar
I use sword athena special a lot
burnt grove
i have when people swap around ambrosia and nectar
lapis cedar
I also haven't' gotten very far in my 50 runs, so yea, probably should stop doing that
but it's super fun to to just knock back like 30 purple orbs in witches faces
true mortar
30ish runs and I have yet to finish with sword
pastel nacelle
top 3 best girls in the game
meg, dusa, artemis
prove me wrong
spoiler: you can't
frosty mountain
we can't
lapis cedar
the newest patch allows you to get out of the special faster right?
frosty mountain
because you're right
pastel nacelle
true mortar
Aphrodite?!!
frosty mountain
not EVEN close
lapis cedar
if you like try to dash or attack
frosty mountain
aphro is a thot
pastel nacelle
🗑
fiery pebble
Aphrodite is evil
radiant tangle
Artemis is absolutely best girl but Dusa is the most datable bc Artemis is an Ace Lesbian and we respect that
pastel nacelle
artemis would be the cool big sis you hang out with
fiery pebble
Every time he goes to bed, Ares checks his closet for Aphrodite
tulip lava
Love is a contradictory force
fiery pebble
Terrified that one day he may have to face her
tulip lava
Ares and Aphrodite uhh.....
radiant tangle
Artemis is the cool sis who dares you to eat bugs
tulip lava
Have lots of babies together
fiery pebble
Yeah but they had a falling out in the 1960s
"Make love, not war" wasnt a slogan Ares appreciated much
true mortar
lmao
frosty mountain
that's actually hilarious
radiant tangle
"Make love to war" was Aphrodite's motto
fiery pebble
That is a horrible idea
Giving responsibility to me is just about the worst thing you could do
true mortar
What could possibly go wrong?
fiery pebble
Its like putting Ares in charge of the nobel peace prize
true mortar
HE would be actually pretty good at that. Just pick guy he hates most
fiery pebble
Damn, you cracked the code
weak anchor
Hey all, I've set up an interview with Darren Korb, for my stream tomorrow at 1PM Pacific! Stop by for some sweet Hades gameplay and a talk with the Audio Director himself. twitch.tv/redheadorama
frosty mountain
😮
signal spoke
Make sure you put that into #self-promotion as well!
fiery pebble
Im more wondering how that came to be
weak anchor
The fates were very kind to me.
fiery pebble
So it would appear
vale geode
Make sure you ask him about the 7-stringed instrument he was playing in the credits sequence of noclip's thing
fiery pebble
Would the concept of the fates be the ancient greek version of string theory?
small lake
take the shot before he gets away 
fiery pebble
Wondered when youd show up
small lake
I lurk.
burnt grove
wait @hexed smelt if you are just a moderator who are disconnected from dev team - how come did you know about Shouts?
livid cargo
I think it was an educated guess
frosty mountain
it has been discussed in the sever before. please refrain from discussing anything regarding to datamining though. even in the spoilers channel
burnt grove
i need some community of Hades-dataminers then.
to have someone to speak to
so lonely :(
frosty mountain
just be mindful and respectful of the devs wanting to reveal things the way they want. and players not wanting to get spoiled
burnt grove
right
but how do i find the people who know what i know
to speak about what we know
and make fun assumptions
and feed our curiosity
vale geode
I'm sure there are things like discord servers for it
burnt grove
nvm
ill keep quiet
whats the current rarity color grading? white, blue and violet?
livid cargo
and orange
true mortar
it shows on a legendary boon
livid cargo
You've never seen an orange? What about an apple? :^) but yes, they are for legendary
marsh jackal
You can go on wiki to find pre recs for legendaries
brisk trail
I have only a one and only question: I love your games, and have all of it. But will be Hades after the finalised game support linux? If not i wont buy Hades!.I ask this because Epic will be never linux support!
marsh jackal
Ask in tech support
brisk trail
thx4answer
true mortar
Finally. First sword run clear.
livid cargo
I think they said they might port the game after full release
sterile peak
relevant hades meme I saw https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452219191580295168/548170673336614922/IMG_20190219_170843.jpg
alpine stratus
hdjfjfkv
gaunt bane
that statement makes me feel like there's a lot about the walking dead that i do not know
gaunt bane
door to house of hades
olive jungle
Hey guys! I'm gonna be doing some spring cleaning in the feedback channel - I feel like I've seen a fair number of dupes posted and I want to tidy up. I'm gonna let people know if their feedback gets cleared out, and also include links to the OG feedback so it can be voted on ^^
livid cargo
woah mods being helpful and talking to the community
get that good behavior outta here
gaunt bane
you're right, we should be sowing division
hexed smelt
dissent
gaunt bane
okay... NOCLIP WATCHERS: ARE YOU TEAM FLOAT OR TEAM NO FLOAT?
olive jungle
rebellion, even
livid cargo
there's the mods i know and love
rigid grotto
I’m team roll
livid cargo
I'm team why does dusa keep flying away
sterile peak
Imagine having to hope Meg isn't in a conversation to give them ambrosia
This post made by Dusa Gang
heady fog
Is dusa a malfunctioning gorgon that can't petrify stuff thus is bullied by the entire underworld, or will she learn to petrify stuff once she will be bullied enough ?
smoky arrow
@gaunt bane I'm team float but I can see why Greg and the others are not
Floating is cooler but run and gun is more something people can go "yeah I saw this here"
But despite that I'm a floater
heady fog
Make him walk on one leg, and the other one hovering. Problem solved, everyone happy.
tulip lava
smoky arrow
Never in all my life would I have thought I'd ever say I'm a floater.
tulip lava
new alignment chart
heady fog
Team "will float for money" here
plush rover
Hey I just joined to see if people recommend to get it in early access or to get it when it comes out
smoky arrow
Honestly I'd recommend getting it now if you are can wait for updated segments. It's a lot of fun watching SuperGiant work on the game and experience it being built.
But if you wanna wait for everything all at once and experience a full game then I'd wait.
olive jungle
Yeah, the pacing and feel of the story is obviously going to be very different when it's being released "serially" like this - if that's something you're ok with though, it really is a lot of fun being on the early access hype train every update, haha
fiery pebble
Im team "hover 10 cm above ground while t-posing"
smoky arrow
OKAY I have one thing to say about floating
The isometric world makes everything look like it's floating already. I can't tell depth because of the way everything is placed.
tulip lava
secret noclip lore: zag can float he just chooses not to
smoky arrow
For example floating enimies that seem high up.
Because I don't know what angle they can be hit from.
livid cargo
You shouldn't talk about the EA final boss in here just as a heads up
thanks!
(I'm not a mod but mods would tell you to do that)
fiery pebble
In fact
I want there to be a cast upgrade that causes you to float and do damage by spinning in a t-pose
tulip lava
horrifying
brisk trail
so, question
besides trying the game early on, and getting to give feedback and interacting with the community, are there any in-game rewards of getting hades early access?
just wanna know if im missing out on something here or not 🤔
cause I know some games give you exclusive stuff if you buy it early access
that you cant get unless you get it early access
red coral
No! Everything that’s available now will be available down the line.
You don’t need to do EA to 100% the game haha
burnt grove
That's not really true tho.
Some iterations you wont ever be able to experience
Like self-guiding huge AOE Poseidon casts
that was fun
olive jungle
Yeah but I think Arasan was talking about like...."exclusives"
burnt grove
but it's in the past
olive jungle
As in, in-game incentives for playing the game early
burnt grove
you're just proving my point
and i've seen left-overs of vampiric traits in the code
livid cargo
I think Vampirism might come back at some point
burnt grove
idk
if you modify roomDoor heal from 1 to at least 3 game becomes way easier
and it's just small fraction
livid cargo
i mean like, yeah? you just do that with Cthonic Vitality
hexed smelt
i mean, yeah, you're tripling the amount you heal, of course it's easier
a lot of things in the game could be easier if you're going to sit there and mess with the code for them.
burnt grove
if i'd get even +1 from each enemy it would be even more facerolling
spring cipher
I made the bow deal 8000 damage it did not make the game easier
hexed smelt
and that's why lifedrinker was removed....
spring cipher
Checkmate atheist
livid cargo
And why avenging gain was removed
Though I wish I woulda been around for Lifedrinker
burnt grove
and that's why i think vampirism will never return
livid cargo
I think it'll come back, but after a lot of testing
brisk trail
I wonder if it'd work in a max Grim Inevitability run hehe
young zenith
Life leech is hard to pull off because it inevitably becomes meta in whatever it’s in
It’s like impossible to make work unless you make a game with constant health drain
frank veldt
So I just managed to beat my first run finally!
olive jungle
oh good!! no final boss discussion by name here, jsyk ^^
spoilers or gameplay is open season
young zenith
Grats!
frank veldt
Of course, I am just excited. Finally had a run that really went well. Gotta say the spear with the stacking bleed put on it did so much work
olive jungle
oh absolutely
i don't like the spear much, been trying to do 60 heat runs with the bow because bow is life, haha
i know the spear is really good though
frank veldt
Yeah, when the game first came out I used the shield the most, but they nerfed it so much that it is hard to get used to again. The bow has to be my second favorite though
olive jungle
same, i haven't touched the shield at all in a long time
frank veldt
I am probably gonna try the gun out a bit next. I fiddled around with it for a couple runs and I think it could be really fun with the right upgrades
olive jungle
yeah, there was a short period of time before they nerfed the zeus attack boon that it was just broken
lapis cedar
grats! @frank veldt i'll get there one day
frank veldt
Huh, I tend to come back after a major update, don't think I was around for that one. I might see about how good the special is with the right upgrades
You'll get it! Took me so many runs for things to start clicking, and a ton more just to get the right upgrades to work with
young zenith
I think it took me 30 runs to get my first full clear
olive jungle
Hi all, I just finished doing a sweep through the feedback channel to clear out duplicates. I'm going to be letting people know if their feedback was deleted privately just so as not to spam the channel too much. As for here, I'll post a summary of the feedback, followed by the link to the original feedback message so that you can vote on it if you'd like!
lapis cedar
@frank veldt just got him down to 20%, so it's getting better
i'm close to 60 runs now, but definitely liking the spear
frank veldt
Nice! I'll need to check how many runs I'm on, somthing like 40 or so. And that was almost all luck for my first run
prisma wind
Ven is the hero we need
olive jungle
Duplicate Feedback Re-Voting
"Give Up" should have the same effects as dying in a run.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545029153519566878
Blight damage stacks only the first amount of damage dealt, even if some weapon attacks have higher levels of Blight damage attached. This is counterintuitive.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545036574577131522
The Dionysus Cast and Adamant Rail Special are difficult to aim.
(Dionysus Cast) https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545326707968835584
(Gun Special) https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545049792355762197
The Adamant Rail should not auto-reload.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545197714414108672
The held-button Adamant Rail auto-fire is actually slower than click-spamming, which is counterintuitive.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545345122431270922
Fated Authority re-rolls should remain within the same category of reward, e.g. Boons for Boons, items for items.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545597371816476674
The hitboxes for the final boss are misleading and difficult to target because of how they float.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545706036410056714
Dionysus' Festive Fog visual effect is too thick when there are multiple instances of it in an area; it makes it hard to see.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545712246270197801
The Adamant Rail special takes too long to hit.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/545981386666803200
Asphodel needs more NPCs like Tartarus to make it more lively and break up the combat.
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/546410443384553475
winter river
Has it been confirmed if the other major deities will make an appearance? Apollo, Hera, Hestia, Hermes, Hephaestus and Demeter particularly?
signal spoke
There is a development roadmap in the game. It says in there that they plan to add at least one more Olympian!
As to who it is, we have no idea!
olive jungle
Imo ||we're likely to get Apollo eventually, just because we already have Artemis|| but that's just my own personal reasoning
Hestia kind of gets a shoutout with the Adamant Rail
winter river
Ya, and Hera with the bow
olive jungle
i imagine that may be their compromise for gods who won't be showing up...but again, complete speculation
brisk wren
i can see Hermes as one eventually too tbh maybe
winter river
Spear, Shield and Sword were all assigned to deities that that are in. Though they do represent the three kings of the gods.
Still, Hera is queen so Id have expected her to be in :/
She's kinda important
flint gust
Im hoping the next update is godless
vale kite
Next update is zag dual-wielding exagryph
flint gust
If everyone would be so kind as to proceed to feedback and thumbs-up possibly the most important piece of feedback supergiant will ever get, it would be appreciated
oak epoch
Herro
alpine stratus
"what could possibly be this important now that petting cerberus is being worked o-OH"
vale kite
Hades netflix adaptation
alpine stratus
no
i dont trust netflix with this story..........not after their asoue adaptation...................
vale kite
Thats the joke jfhfkgj
rigid grotto
In the Netflix adaptation they use the Egyptian pantheon by mistake
And the game is just called Osiris
heady fog
With Odin as the main character
alpine stratus
me watching netflix zag say ||i- i just dont want anything to happen to you|| all fast and tv-snappy devoid of its original weight: 
vale kite
Also everyone is white for some reason
alpine stratus
ripppp
warm palm
for a game based on anient greek mythology you sure have a lot of languages besides greek lol
void vigil
languages?
olive jungle
I assume "translations"
void vigil
ohh
olive jungle
hades has a handful of alternative language options but SGG games have always been kinda spotty on the localization front. it happens when you're a small company
void vigil
i got rlly confused i started racking my brain for any time someone has spoken something that isnt english
rigid grotto
Ancient Greek translation when sgg? Get on it
olive jungle
horrifying
alpine stratus
ares starts speakin sahrian and ur like what
olive jungle
i bet there are classics majors who would love the opportunity though
void vigil
my kin?
alpine stratus
my kin!
olive jungle
i personally spent like a few months with ancient greek and was terrified for every moment
rigid grotto
Wait what
olive jungle
so, like, miss me with that
rigid grotto
Like using it
olive jungle
I took ancient greek for a hot second in college and it was very difficult gkjdfgfd
rigid grotto
Ok
olive jungle
but it seems like something a classics major would enjoy tbh
void vigil
ares speaking sahrian and u go like "my kin?" and he goes "do i look like--"
olive jungle
translating the game i mean gkjdfgf just for fun
alpine stratus
"do i look like i want a bloodless revolution"
vale kite
I mean he's got volfred's forehead
Volfred's long lost relative, more evidence on the hades x pyre crossover pile
alpine stratus
hm.....treeres.......
ares is like "this sap is a disgrace"
smoky arrow
gray quest
hi, i just saw that there is a new game (hades) had no idea and i love supergiant games, anyway i wanted to ask will be only available for windows? :c
livid cargo
I think they will look into porting the game after the full release
gray quest
damn, i have mac but i guess that i will have to use someone`s windows hahaha, super exited to play it, thnks for the answer
marsh jackal
is it just me or is skullomat absolutely busted when having additional foes through pact of punishment?
pallid raptor
I'd say they are insain with extra hearts. kill it without double aoe damage like Ares or Dionysus become challenge of the run. Im losing half of my life in fights with them.
I think it should spawn skulls without hearts to be balanced
tardy patio
Shouldn't heat be included in the Ocean's Bounty boon? Darkness is, and heat and darkness are both of the underworld
velvet lion
heat is useless until you beat the Hydra once and get the Pact
tardy patio
You only get the pact after you beat Hydra?
Anyway, it's about getting more rewards, and Heat is a reward
So it makes sense to be included
radiant tangle
Keys are a reward too, and those are also not received. On a more serious note, heat isn't offered because it is supposed to be earned, hence why it only appears 1 at a time in rooms or 5 for the boss (which should remain unnamed in this chat)
humble moth
radiant tangle
The FAQ is in #hades-faq
distant turtle
"If you’d prefer to wait until the game is 100% complete, we expect Hades will eventually be available on a variety of platforms, once Early Access is complete. "
marsh jackal
I find burst builds help the most vs him so you can have a safe spot
empty obsidian
yeah i had the shield with tons of +damage and quick shield charge
it was a easy fight
odd wadi
My first hydra I did a bunch of sword speed and damage, also Athena buff so I could deflect the pink shots easier
velvet lion
guys don't discuss spoilers in here
sick tree
Third time's the charm:
Patrick’s boon concepts V3:
current:
Zeus - Lightning strike + chain lightning (damage to nearby target)
Poseidon - Knock-back + more wall slam damage + consumables
Artemis - Critical hit + more casts
Aphrodite - Weakening (reduced enemy damage)
Athena - Deflection + increased defence
Ares - curse (damage to primary target) + blade rifts
Dionysus - Blight wine (x damage over x seconds) + Festive fog (damage over time and slows?)
Alternatives:
Ares - Bleed (x damage over x seconds)
Dionysus - x% chance of turning target to your side for x seconds Or causes enemies to randomly attack anyone nearby or causes enemies to drunkenly stumble around instead of walking directly towards you
Ideas for the rest:
Hera - Weakening (reduces enemy defence) or shield effect?
Demeter - x% chance of summoning friendly creature to assist for x seconds or a shield effect???
Apollo - Blinding light or poison (reduces enemy speed)?
Hephaestus - Burning (damage over x seconds) + some explosives
Hermes - increased attack speed, reduced recovery time or increased AOE???
I posted feedback recently about how redundant I thought Dionysus' boons were and, well, let's just say it was a lot more controversial than I expected it to be
I mean, I knew a sizable portion of the more hardcore players would disagree because 'blight wine' is really powerful, especially in light of the fact Zeus has been nerfed for, like, the third time now?
But I thought a few more people would agree with me that JUST doing extra damage was
A: kinda boring for a God of wine, intoxication and MADNESS
and B: A little too similar to Zeus and Ares
velvet lion
i mean they are each unique ways of adding damage though
empty obsidian
The problem is that due to the nature of the game damage is always going to trump most funny effects
sick tree
I know there are differences but they strike me as entirely too minor
empty obsidian
a druken haze effect would be a waste of a slot on the attack
sick tree
how so?
empty obsidian
it woudnt work on bosses
sick tree
Ah, fair
void vigil
and later when almost all enemies are armored, wont work at all until the armor is gone
and to break it, you need a lot of damage
empty obsidian
also best way of avoiding dmg is to kill stuff
what i would really like to see is more special effects
pulling enemies towards the center of a circle, maybe pulling them towards you
sick tree
Well, it would depend on exactly how you implement it but I see your point
...I still don't think the blight wine effect suits Dionysus, or is particularly interesting
velvet lion
yea a pulling ability would be nice
sick tree
that could seriously backfire if you got overwhelmed
void vigil
you just gotta combine it with an AOE thing that does big damage and then ur good. maybe like a super beefy gun special. and you have your dashes
this is all theoretical but who am i kidding, i am talking about get() and tap()
sick tree
looked to Transistor for inspiration when coming up with the list
Literally just came up with another alternative boon for Dionysus
Double vision: every ...20 seconds (more or less) using your attack will create an illusionary copy of Zag, that will attract enemy attention
radiant tangle
A decoy would be an interesting boon to add
sick tree
Right?
I'm not saying blight wine is bad, there are just so many awesome abilities you could give Dionysus, some of which could do damage as well
sick tree
If it was his primary effect you could attach it to any of your attacks
some would work better than others but they'd all be fun and interesting to use
and if we do end up only getting 8 Olympians, instead of all 12, as SGG's roadmap suggests:
I want all the boon abilities to be as diverse, unique and creative as humanly possible
No matter how powerful they are, three subtly different varieties of "just do more damage" isn't a good use of the limited slots available
empty obsidian
yeah, that would be great
but they would have to rework a lot of the game for that
sick tree
Well, Dionysus is the only one I have a problem with
marsh jackal
what don't you like about dio?
sick tree
Dude, I realise you've probably just jumped into the conversation but I've already explained it, like, 5 times
😂
can you just scroll up to my big list from earlier please?
marsh jackal
I did some reading, having dio create a clone would be new though taking over enemies is already available in the game and there is a drunken haze effect currently on dio
sick tree
I know about Unhealthy Fixation but I think mind control suits Dionysus better, so I kept it on the list as an option,
but I think the 'drunken rage' idea would still work, it's very similar but it's no more so than Dionysus and Zeus/Ares' boons are already
I actually like the 'festive fog' effect but I wish it had been his primary ability instead of 'blight wine'
If not one of the alternatives I've already described
marsh jackal
So if we overhauled dio how would you want him to deal damage?
sick tree
sure?
I mean, Athena, Poseidon and Artemis do extra damage as well
but they have much more unique effects as well
There's no reason Dionysus couldn't do extra damage AND have some cool effect
marsh jackal
So your ideal world dio doesn't need to do damage, though the thing is the game is designed with rng on the off chance you get dio as your first unless you get another god soon you may not have the damage needed to clear the game if you are playing using heat
tepid orchid
I feel like the 'default' boons being fairly simple is not bad, if there is interesting boon interaction with them
Which Dionysus, if nobody else, has
sick tree
I don't think JUST doing damage suits Dionysus, conceptually
It suits Ares and Zeus because they tend to solve all their problems by hitting them really, really hard, ...in the face and/or groin, usually
But Dionysus solves problems by driving people insane, turning parts of their boat into giant snakes or Evil Dead style murder trees
He gave King Midas his golden touch for goodness sake!!
Dionysus should do a lot of damage, but that shouldn't be the focus of his abilities, any of them
radiant tangle
LBR Zeus solves his problem by hitting them with his groin
marsh jackal
if you don't want his focus to be damage why should he deal a lot of damage?
sick tree
It shouldn't be possible to make the God of Wine, Festivals and INSANITY boring,
but they did.
they could give that "do damage over time" effect to almost any of the Gods and I'd be... meh on it honestly
but not Dionysus
I don't care that he does damage, I care that he JUST does damage,
that 'Just' is the crucial detail
Athena does a lot of damage, but that's not the focus of an Athena-centric strategy
marsh jackal
Then is it okay that zeus, ares, & artemis for the most part just do damage?
red coral
What I love about Dio is I don't have to be responsible for every drop of damage. Like I can play super aggressive for a few seconds, then back off and gather my thoughts until it's time to go ham again cause the poison wore off.
This is probably a conversation for #h1-builds-and-combat tho tbh
marsh jackal
It's a gameplay discussion tho
red coral
ye exactly
marsh jackal
it's a 50/50 split
radiant tangle
This is a Hades general chat, the #h1-builds-and-combat channel is for gameplay discussions
sick tree
Well, I think Critical hit damage is distinct enough because it adds an element of risk, which promotes a more cautious, approach than the first two, it's a little boring but I can't think of an alternative so whatever
I do wish Zeus and Ares were a smidge more different from each other but it suits them and having two Gods with similar abilities is a lot less gauling than three
to me anyway
steady tapir
100% wish helios would be the last god/titan
love him
also dusa is wifey number 1
empty obsidian
iam assuming the last one will be Hades himself
marsh jackal
why would hades help zag though? he literally gives him a pact of punishment so he can suffer more
olive jungle
there are some new dialogues about the Pact from Hades and Meg that imply that ||by using the Pact, Zag is helping to find holes in the Underworld's security systems, so ultimately he is actually helping Hades AND punishing himself at the same time||, lol
tulip lava
||but those statues are so so worth it||
prisma wind
||"Holes in the security system"|| is game code for Supergiants EA feedback process
olive jungle
straight-up
tulip lava
hades is metaphor for the bad early access dev who releases shoddy quality products and doesn't stick to his update deadlines
patent umbra
Is it normal that the timer is 13% slower than realtime?
prisma wind
I'm curious what the frame of reference you're using is
Are you comparing it to real time vs the total time elapsed for a run?
patent umbra
Im using 30 second shadowplays and the timer progresses 26 seconds each time
prisma wind
I just started a run and ran the stopwatch on my phone to check against the in-game timer, seemed to line up fine. It may be slowing down vs shadowplay due to the slowdown mechanics when you get hit and when rooms clear, though
patent umbra
Thats possible
pastel nacelle
so like
I have dio's attacks cause blight buff
and ares' bonus attack damage
does that also increase the blight damage?
prisma wind
It shouldn't according to the wording, if you're talking about Urge to Kill
Pressure Points, on the other hand, should affect Blight Wine as far as I know
pastel nacelle
just feels like the dot is stronger
celest island
Why can I not send messages in feedback? I just want to help with my opinion
karmic basalt
check the pins
signal spoke
What Sven said. Check the pinned messages in the feedback channel for info
celest island
Thanks
karmic basalt
👍
cobalt cosmos
Re: feedback if they get rid of the gun with poseidon boon yeeting people across the map I will be highly disappointed
karmic basalt
i haven't had time to play lately so i only tried the gun once but getting the yeet on the special was amazing
idc if it was impractical it was just hilarious launching people across the map
cobalt cosmos
With the range on the gun its horribly impractical.
But it's great
karmic basalt
i died horribly in asphodel but every minute was worth it
i had the dio cast too so i was just lobbing things everywhere and having a great time 😂
weak anchor
Here's the interview I did with Darren Korb today, for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LIZTBwT-gs
winter river
Nice! Watching this now
radiant tangle
When I first heard the dialogues with Hypnos about dying to certain enemies over and over ("have you tried not getting hit?") I thought it was just Hypnos being a lovable jerk. I now realize it's because he's your brother, which makes all of your conversations make so much more sense.
fiery pebble
Oh yeah
olive jungle
Hi, congrats and that's great to hear but please keep info on the final boss out of this channel!
fiery pebble
Hypnos is the older brother
It does make so much more sense
I would totally be Hypnos if it werent for the fact that I hate sleeping
pallid raptor
Guys which god do u take at the beginning if u going with a sword? I just cant understand what do i need with 75 skulls in Pact
limpid goblet
Well
Really depends on your playstyle I guess
I like Artemis and Athena on sword runs
frozen snow
Poseidon Special for the sword is extremely fun, and it makes enemies keep their distance.
limpid goblet
I only take poseidon on shield
marsh jackal
Yeah poseidon shield attack is where it works best, my runner up though is sword special
frozen snow
I actually don't really like Poseidon attack on shield; when I bull rush, I like to get behind enemies so that I can quickly hit them for backstab damage, and Poseidon attack makes that a lot harder.
marsh jackal
That is true but part of hades is using different playstyles based on your build
Bull rush with a back attack immediately after works great before poseidon attack, though once you get it your goal is to do basic attacks and knock enemies into the walls/lava
pallid raptor
I tried to get Poseidon Special 4 times and didnt get it. Im cursed
sick tree
@ivory fractal - thanks for your response to my post in #hades-feedback but you really shouldn't post it in that thread,
Quote whatever feedback you want to respond to and then reply in here or the #h1-story-discussion thread, depending on the subject
Makes it easier to have an actual conversation without spamming the poor guys and gals at SGGs, digging through our feedback
ivory fractal
Fair enough. I simply replied to your post on the same board where I found it, but apparently that was not the right call. Should I post my reply in the spoilers board, then, or is there no need since you already read what I had to say?
hexed smelt
why quote the entire message
this isn't a forum, y'know, i'm sure people can look an inch upwards to see the message directly above yours ;P
ivory fractal
Artemis is great. She's the only Olympian who will react to being your second choice in a Trial of the Gods not with scorn and disdain, but with insecurity. You didn't insult her station, you actually hurt her feelings. The other gods' "Oh, you think you can get away with not adoring me?" shenanigans never really get a reaction out of me, but her "Oh... oh. I thought we were friends, but maybe I was wrong" act does.
pastel nacelle
I want to hug her
like artie, artie, babe, I love you, I really do
it's just that between, like
you or zeus or you or poseidon or you and literally anyone else
your boon is a lot more manageable to fight against
crimson hinge
The new weapon is so much fun and has a really nice crowd control
pastel nacelle
Artemis was always one of the more reasonable gods in mythology too
same with Hades
like the one thing I don't like about this game is that they go with the characterization of Hades I don't like
but who knows maybe when the game/story is finished he'll change
maybe he'll have an arc
and yeah the rail is fun
the special is great if you get the hammer for either of the special upgrades
I feel like there's some overlap tho
crimson hinge
And there are hints of other things in hades. Like when he says “you cant escape, dont you think i already tried?”
pastel nacelle
I think I missed that
crimson hinge
It stuck with me.
pastel nacelle
like one of my favorite portrayals of hades in modern fiction is in Skin Game
fiery pebble
Oh, havent seen Tripp in a while
crimson hinge
Heya
pastel nacelle
"y'know harry you and I are a lot alike" "u wot" "well we both have big dogs, we both sit on top of vaults that house dangerous and powerful entities, we're both loners and people are wary of us both"
crimson hinge
You’re a wizard, Zagreus
pastel nacelle
"so uh sorry about robbing your vault" "no harm bro I wanted you to" "you wot" "yeah mab, marcone and I really hate nicodemus and we wanna ruin his life"
wrong wizard harry
ivory fractal
Artemis was always one of the more reasonable gods in mythology too
I mean... aside from the whole Actaeon deal...
crimson hinge
Oof
ivory fractal
A stag. He stumbled onto Artemis bathing while he was in the middle of a hunt, so she turned him into a stag and his hunting dogs tore him apart.
pastel nacelle
yeah I was thinking of the right myth
I mean I said more reasonable
not "the most reasonable"
that distinction is still Hades'
only times he really blew a gasket was when someone tried to cheat him (Sisyphus) or steal his wife (I forget their names)
tepid orchid
I remember doing a gloss for the story of Actaeon
And writing an essay that said something like 'this is more a reflection of Roman men being sexist and afraid of women than a literal cautionary tale'
pastel nacelle
I mean
I wouldn't want to accidentally stumble onto a goddess bathing
https://i.imgur.com/HZIkdod.png tfw testing out a new hammer upgrade and it doesn't go as planned
ivory fractal
Ouch.
hexed smelt
@pastel nacelle you're thinking of theseus and pirithous
fiery pebble
Yeah Triple bomb is good
pastel nacelle
"hey you get 5 projectiles, but 4 go in completely random directions"
pastel nacelle
sure felt like it
pastel nacelle
but yeah
starting that run over
fiery pebble
You cant really hit anything with it in pointblank
pastel nacelle
I thought it would, like
ivory fractal
Both are good in their own ways. Triple Bomb lets you decide when and where to launch, but you need to constantly spam the special button and it gets distracting in crowded situations. Cluster Bomb is good in small rooms, but it's not worth it against very mobile enemies.
pastel nacelle
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ldbTl1xkOpc/RxENeX_D6_I/AAAAAAAAAH0/UlqGZJjg4_w/s200/Apoc015.JPG be like this
significantly larger aoe with smaller damage unless you catch an enemy in the border between two explosions
but an otherwise predictable and consistent spread
ivory fractal
Yeah, I agree that the ammo bouncing against walls and pillars makes it very unpredictable. That gets better in Asphodel, though.
stone sparrow
Anyone know what is the purpose of giving gifts? (apart from giving one to each god to get a trinket.) It just seems to increase how much they like you
does that actually do anything or no?
prisma wind
Higher relationship level gives more unique interactions/dialog with the NPCs
stone sparrow
Ah, that's cool, I just bought the game today and I'm 5hours in
Thanks for the hellp ^^
sick tree
Sorry @ivory fractal - didn't notice you'd replied,
Yeah, I'd put it spoilers, since it's about story but it doesn't really matter
As for quoting the message @hexed smelt - it just saves everyone a little bit of time and effort,
I mean, if you're replying to a message that is LITTERALLY right above yours, there's no need, but if you're responding to something someone said ages ago or in a different thread, it saves everyone the trouble of scrolling up for ages or snooping through all the other threads to look for something I posted days ago
Important details can get lost if you try to provide a counter argument to someone's feedback, and someone else wants to join the discussion without having read the initial post
marsh jackal
^
sick tree
/
|
?
marsh jackal
I'm agreeing with ya
marsh jackal
^ = I agree with above message
marsh jackal
^ is universal in chatrooms thumbs up is platform specific
prisma wind
Replying to feedback in the feedback channel is also not in line with the posting guidelines there. If you want to respond to feedback, do so in #h1-builds-and-combat as per the instructions in #hades-feedback
sick tree
well, why add a new boon when you could make Sisyphus' keepsake a little more broad?
I mean, it's a little useless as it is, since falling rubble isn't much use once you get past Tartarus
marsh jackal
I'm not even sure if falling rubble is in every room in tartarus
it's in majority though
sick tree
making it apply to all wall-slam damage would be great, if you ask me
It would still be limited in its use, but less so
ivory fractal
I don't see why you would want a new keepsake added to the game when focussing on Poseidon's boons is already so OP wall slam-wise.
sick tree
then maybe change your feedback from 'add a wall slam keepsake' to 'make sisyphus' boon apply to all wall slam damage, not just falling rubble'
or hell, replace it entirely
walls are pretty rare in Asphodel too
marsh jackal
it's such an odd keepsake honestly
sick tree
Yeah, I like Sisyphus but I can't think of a single reason to use his keepsake
marsh jackal
the only thing that I think synergizes with it is poseidon, third sword hit & shield attack
but if you take the sisyphus keepsake you can guarantee poseidon
radiant zephyr
Someone earlier suggested having two keepsakes, one for god boon and one for other entity. It would fix your problem with not being able to guarantee, and add the chance for more role-play-based synergy, like linking the Functions in Transistor (I kept Crash and Pierce united the whole time because Red and Blue belong together. 😜).
marsh jackal
It sounds cool in concept having two keepsakes at once though the thing is it'd likely create a whole new thing to balance, like say you do sisyphus keepsake with poseidon and it becomes the dominate strategy, then they might have to tune sisyphus keepsake just for that one interaction making it underpowered for other possible combinations
sick tree
@radiant zephyr - I totally agree with your feedback about wanting to know more about Zagreus' powers (particularly his cast)
But I interpreted that vagueness about his abilities to mean he doesn't have any unique deific abilities yet, beyond the fiery feet thing (which I don't actually like very much because the Greek underworld isn't really a hot and fiery place, like Christian hell, it's usually described as cold, dark and wet)
I also assume the cast (whatever the hell it is) isn't unique to him, it's probably the same as the Witches projectiles
But I digress: The Greek gods mostly weren't born with any specific connection to their domain,
Zeus, Poseidon and Hades only became associated with the sky, ocean and underworld after they drew lots to decide who'd get what chunk of the world,
and Hephaestus only became the God of fire after Zeus gave him the title
so demi-god probably just refers to a God who hasn't been given a specific thing to rule over yet.
I imagine all the major gods are giants, like Hades, and that Zagreus is just normal size because he's young
... not sure about the primordial gods, like Nyx and Hypnos though...
🤔
marsh jackal
and chthonic gods?
sick tree
What about them?
marsh jackal
how do you think their size would be influenced?
sick tree
It might just be a choice, the Gods can switch from their true form to one of a normal human at will, so maybe size is something they can just change to suit the situation
If that's the case, Nyx and Hypnos etc probably just stay small out of respect for Hades, being the king and all
But yeah, I think Zag is just a God of... Nothing in particular, right now and will get unique powers and maybe a larger body, once he's given a domain to rule
radiant zephyr
See, the reason I had an issue with Dionysus' calling Zagreus a DEMIgod, specifically, is because that term has been explicitly avoided this whole time. Zagreus has been called a fledgeling god, he has been called a young god, he has even been called a "lesser" god. Demigod has a specific meaning outside of those, and I think that the terminology is just throwing me off.
I like the concept that he isn't the god of anything in particular yet, but growing into one's powers is one of my favorite things about younger protagonists. Their internal monologue and "Whoa, I can do this?!" and the self-discovery that follows that journey of unlocking supernatural uniqueness. I really want this concept to be explored in the game... Like, I'll make up my own head-canon if I have to, but I always prefer when the devs/writers come up with something on their own. It's THEIR character, not mine. XD
And, yeah, I agree with the whole underworld is usually a dark, dank hole. That's why I feel like the fire feet are part of his uniqueness. I saw someone theorize somewhere that Zag might be the god of Rebirth some day, and the Phoenix is the mythical creature most closely associated with that. Which is also associated with fire. Could be neat....
dawn bramble
I think Zagreus is the god of rebirth in Greek myth? I remember looking at it a while back
sick tree
The phoenix is from European folk-lore though, it would make more sense to tie it into something more distinctly Greek
but to be honest: Both real Greek mythology and the game itself don't seem to have a solid, internally consistent, set of rules for how the Gods work
It's actually really hard to tell if they're meant to be giants or human sized,
whether they're born with their unique abilities or if they somehow develop once they have a deific domain etc. etc.
same goes for the shades actually...
they look like ghosts in game but in the mythology, it's not clear if they keep the body they had in life, get a new one or don't have a body at all
But yeah: There are a lot of Gods associated with death and rebirth honestly, but it suits Zag, given his situation
radiant zephyr
Yeah, you're right. I think Dionysus was actually born with his domain at the outset.... Some of them just are. And Athena came out of Zeus' HEAD and was the goddess of WISDOM; that's pretty obvious.
Mythology is full of inconsistencies; part of the fun of making a game about them is they get to interpret it their way. That's why I want them to canonize some stuff. I don't even know where to start if we go by standard Greek myth.
sick tree
I distinctly remember someone here claiming Zag was the God of domesticated animals, as opposed to Artemis who represented wild animals
But I've never found a shred of evidence for that
dawn bramble
I did read about Zagreus being another god of hunting? I did research a while ago though so I don't remember exactly
radiant zephyr
This is all I've seen on Zag. https://www.greekmythology.com/Other_Gods/Minor_Gods/Zagreus/zagreus.html
dawn bramble
I think it was hunting for sacrifice to other gods, though
sick tree
Dionysus wasn't actually, he was an actual demi-god (part mortal) at birth then became the God of wine and madness after A: getting mashed into tiny pieces by the titans (thanks Hera) and later being resurrected
and B: reportedly inventing wine for the first time
radiant zephyr
See, learn more every day. XD
dawn bramble
I can't refind anything I found about zag before what's going on
tulip lava
dionysus invented wine after his boyfriend died and he turned him into a grape vine
sick tree
there's some nifty symbolism in him getting mashed up then reborn even stronger, much like how grapes become wine
dawn bramble
Orpheus was killed for being gay
tulip lava
wine is just dead boyfriend juice
dawn bramble
oh my god wine is dead boyfriend juice
sick tree
Wait, wait, wait!
tulip lava
rest in pieces orpheus
sick tree
Current boyfriend or Ex-Boyfriend? :3
tulip lava
once your bf dies and becomes a plant i would think he gets changed to ex status yeah
dawn bramble
did he drink his boyfriend
radiant zephyr
Prolly. It's Greek myth. XD
dawn bramble
Yummmmyyyy
sick tree
I'm pretty sure no-one actually became a grape-vine,
but there are a lot of ex-boyfriend plants around in Greece
dawn bramble
There's a lot of ex-boyfriends in Greece
sick tree
Err, there aren't actually, most of them are dead
sick tree
😅
tulip lava
you want sources for anything i say you could just ask and i will give you sources
hexed smelt
[raises hand] i know we're past that part of the conversation but the phoenix actually is from greek mythology
tulip lava
the phoenix was invented by the fall out boys in 2013 for their hit single the phoenix,
sick tree
(checking internet)
huh...
hexed smelt
φοῖνιξ, phoinīx
radiant zephyr
Holy cow, Phoenicia is named in association with the Phoenix.
Shoulda seen that one.
hexed smelt
personally i like to think those giant orange quills you see hades and hypnos using are from phoenixes
tulip lava
my favourite story ever is about how phenix city, alabama got its name
yes it is spelled like that
sick tree
God damn it America 
Was it named by the same guy who decided they were gonna call 'university' 'college', just to confuse and annoy British people?
radiant zephyr
I wouldn't be surprised if it was done to specifically spite British people. We have an awful track record of being petty and rebellious, and I have no idea how far back that transition was made in our etymology. XD
OH, does anyone have any guesses on who the Narrator is yet?
I've been thinking Apollo?
sick tree
Honestly haven't thought about it in ages
tulip lava
||i think kronos or some other titan is the most likely. my pet theory is king minos though||
sick tree
There's no way Apollo sounds like that
tulip lava
god i would riot if apollo sounds like discount old man archjustice
radiant zephyr
Well, Zagreus calls him "Old Man," so I figured he's an older god. Then again, I'm pretty sure he'd call Achilles "old man" if he had died later in life.
tulip lava
zagreus and apollo are cousins
radiant zephyr
XD That's a fair point, I hadn't taken the voice acting too much into account.
Doesn't mean they're similar in age...
hexed smelt
i mean, he wouldn't? "old man" is a pretty disrespectful term of address
radiant zephyr
Anyway, you're probably right on it not being Apollo, I just.... I don't think I like it being a mortal. Disembodied narrator voice says God to me.
tulip lava
apollo would prolly be offended by being called old
hexed smelt
every other male character, with the exception of hades and skelly, zagreus refers to as sir
radiant zephyr
Zag can react mid-run, which means the voice is speaking about him from afar. Unless we're just blatantly breaking the fourth wall.
sick tree
I'm genuinely surprised they didn't get a female narrator this time and have it be one of the fates, literally telling us Zagreus' story as it happens
radiant zephyr
Awwww.... Fates woulda been a good one.....
tulip lava
i would call hypnos "you little turd"
hexed smelt
yeah but then they'd break from the good ol' tradition of logan narrating
tulip lava
okay that's not a bad word i escape the eyes of proxy once again
ivory fractal
It's Charon, he only pretends he can't speak intelligibly because he doesn't want to haggle on his prices.
radiant zephyr
PFFFFFT
tulip lava
this is mate erasure
sick tree
really don't get why Charon can't speak
radiant zephyr
I thought maybe they just hadn't completed his voice acting/cast the actor yet, but there are too many lines joking about him being mute that I'm not so certain anymore.
tulip lava
charon is logan
radiant zephyr
I know the grunting is at the moment, but maybe they hadn't decided on a creative direction for his character yet, and didn't want to commit to an actual voice yet.
ivory fractal
I think the characterisation will make more sense if/when they update the character art for him. If he ends up having an inhuman, Grim Reaper-like appearance, his inarticulate moaning will fit the theme.
sick tree
Wow... the Epic games launcher is shockingly terrible
I mean SGGs will probably get a metric ton of repeat purchases just so people can have access to the functionality of Steam
prisma wind
I know I certainly will do that
sick tree
It will bug the hell out of me that I'll never actually know the number of hours I spent playing though
prisma wind
Ha ha same
unkempt sleet
You can link the game to the steam launcher so it tracks the hours
sick tree
err, how?
prisma wind
By adding it as a non-Steam game, I would imagine
prisma wind
Click Games at the top and select Add a non-Steam game
sick tree
huh
prisma wind
It just allows it to be launched through Steam and have the Steam overlay. I didn't even think about the fact that it would also track hours, that's handy
sick tree
Oh great, now I've gotta figure out where exactly Hades' game files are saved since it didn't show up on the short list
sick tree
I have several hard-drives
prisma wind
Just remember you'll still need to use the Epic Launcher to update the game
hexed smelt
depends on where you installed the game then
prisma wind
Launch Hades normally, then open Task Manager and use the Open Containing Folder or whatever context option
sick tree
don't remember, hence why I need to check
woo
Okay, it's in Steam now, yay!
But no hours played (pout)
prisma wind
It won't work retroactively if that's what you were hoping?
I'm not even sure it'll track time anyway, I've never tried adding a game to Steam either
sick tree
That makes sense but kinda?
Even if I keep using steam to launch it, I'll never actually know how long I've spent playing
prisma wind
Yeah
agile agate
I see a lot of people talking about Rail or Shield, and I assule that a lot of people keep the initial Sword
But am I the only person to prefer the spear gameplay ?
sick tree
In my experience, people weapon preferences usually go:
Bow, Spear, Sword, Shield (donno about gun yet) best-to-worst
but mine are almost the exact oposite
prisma wind
Lots of people like spear, from what I've seen
I don't think a lot of people stick to sword, but there are some
fiery pebble
Spear is odd
Its playstyle changes every once in a while drastically
So peoples opinion on it change with it
sick tree
People are just talking about the gun lots because it's new, (it may be the new most powerful weapon as well but I can't actually tell how people feel about it in relation to the others)
The shield got buffed recently, which got it a little renewed attention but I think people are still meh on it over all
prisma wind
I don't think it's the most powerful, but that's my opinion
fiery pebble
Shield has the opposite problem
Its a bit too linear
You always do the same thing
And while I love the Deja Vu build
Its not very varied
sick tree
Shield is my favourite by far and I kinda hate the gun but I'm very much an outlier in that regard
burnt grove
I've got a bow and enchanted it with Aphrodite's power
but no matter how much i attack Meg with it she doesn't want to become my girlfriend
stone zinc
same as Patrick, shield is my favourite to play (but not the one that defeated the current last boss) and either gun or bow are not my cup of tea
oblique crest
sick tree
It's probably a lot less than half finished actually @stone zinc
It was launched 2 months ago and isn't scheduled for full release until 2020
I mean, I think half the areas are in the game, so a lot of the updates will presumably just add more enemies and rooms to discover in the areas that already exist but... you know what I mean
marsh jackal
honestly I feel like the gun is underpowered
hot fossil
Yeah, I can never get as far with the rail as I can with the other weapons (excluding the bow because I just don't play it)
stone zinc
the Y of the rail is too slow for such a fast spaced game, and it's a huge bet to take the shotgun Daedalus upgrade if you don't get enought main attack dps later on
fiery pebble
I mean it is still 2 50 damage bursts
Plus, the special is good if you can aim it
Its 60 damage, which oneshots a lot of things early onj
hot fossil
@fiery pebble
admittedly y is decent dmg, but it's hard to use properly in such a fast paced game, is their point
what about Dio specfically is good with the rail?
hexed smelt
fast fire rate = fast application of stacks
fiery pebble
It takes a bit of getting used to, but its fairly easy to use after a while I find
And that, yeah
The first 5 shots essentially are 21+ damage per shot
hot fossil
Oh, sure, it's just you can do the same with the spear, which seems more versatile and usable to me and seems to have better synergy with more boons
sick tree
I hate to say it but my opinion of the game has soured considerably since the last update,
don't get me wrong: it's still a superb game, and it will be even more so come full release time,
but if it's true we're only gonna get 6 weapons and 8 Gods,
As a huge gaming and mythology nerd, I'm never gonna be able to unsee the list of missed opportunities and unfulfilled expectations in my head
fiery pebble
Eh
Spear does worse with Dio, generally
Since it attacks slower and doesnt have as much range
You do have some more versatility with spear since special is insane rn
But Rail is still a good weapon
Though it is limited
stone zinc
@sick tree You still got all the town npc, which have really neat details, like || Orpheus half singing when talking || and the whole codex, foes and all. Not having main gods as gameplay mecanics doesn't mean you won't get your fair amount of mythology ^^
Yeah the spear is top right now, just with one or 2 upgrade you can dish out massive damage in such a short time, and that range + backstab bonus
hot fossil
@sick tree
Also putting in "too many" gods might hurt some game mechanics?
Like, say, if there are a large amount of gods, getting a boon from a specific one becomes less likely
Though I suppose that'd be fixable with the keepsakes you get from them, if they applied to more than just the next boon
olive jungle
I mean if not having every single god in there sours the experience for you Patrick, idk what to tell you. The studio has limits to what they can do in terms of sheer number of assets and gameplay systems, and there are probably gods and figures who don't fit well into the story anyways
How many people are working there these days? 12, 13??
fiery pebble
Hera in particular
prisma wind
And 8 is the minimum in their roadmap, that's not to say they won't decide to add more if they feel it's required or they have the opportunity
stone zinc
I agree with the "too many gods is an issue", synergies would become too random with too much gods
hexed smelt
there's sixteen listed in the readme thing
olive jungle
Greek myth is one of the most powerful influences on western media that you can find, you've no shortage of other media based on myth
There are like thirty retellings of the Iliad alone
Not to mention stuff like "O Brother Where Art Thou" with its Odyssey references and such
tulip lava
the undoubted best one is the olympian high school AU that looks like a barbie movie where eris is late for anime school and bumps into cute mortal exchange student paris
sick tree
It would still feel fundamentally incomplete to me,
When working with such a rich and slightly psychotically vast source material, it's best to set your intentions clearly, firmly and quickly
Telling a story that involves a handful of the gods is fine but the more of them you add, the more peculiar it is going to feel that the others didn't get involved
olive jungle
oh my god.
tulip lava
and is like oh no i dropped my golden apple
hexed smelt
"slightly psychotically vast"?
olive jungle
I think they have set their intentions
tulip lava
who would win: a vast collection of mythology and stories codified over hundreds of years vs one indie game studio boi
olive jungle
Like, how are you setting your umbrella up here? Every Greek god has aspects as well, there are literally thousands of unique incarnations of the gods
hot fossil
"the undoubted best one is the olympian high school AU that looks like a barbie movie where eris is late for anime school and bumps into cute mortal exchange student paris"
is this an actual thing please?
tulip lava
oh yeah totally
tulip lava
i'll link it in off topic
hot fossil
thamk ❤
sick tree
This is all down to my personal foibles but the first few hours of the game set the bar for mythological accuracy and inventive game design so high that they may well have stretched themselves beyond their means
hexed smelt
i mean, that's... your opinion, though?
olive jungle
They stretched themselves beyond their means by...staying within their means in terms of who they can and cant include
sick tree
@hexed smelt - why do you think I included that first sentence?
Nothing about it is 'bad' per say, but I would rather the game stay in development for a good few extra months if it means we can have a full suite of 12 Olympians, and 1 or 2 more weapons, if possible
tulip lava
i trust that they're professional devs who know how to not stretch themselves beyond their means
as they have clearly demonstrated in that noclip episode
hashtag team float gun
and hey, mods exist
hexed smelt
we sure do!
sick tree
I'm also suuuper anxious about how they'll handle the ending but that's even more down to my personal preferences than any genuine criticism
hexed smelt
stone zinc
the theme here is just a way for the game to convey other things, being the story and the gameplay elements. It's not a game about mythology, it uses mythology to talk about other things and make sense out of core elements
sick tree
(shrug) they keep referring the full release as v1.0, maybe they'll make an expansion 😂
stone zinc
like they never did in the past ? let's have some doubts x)
stone zinc
Well go find the Pandora's box and hold on what's inside ^^
(good night fellow hell divers, was fun talking)
sick tree
but yeah, I was kinda joking about the expansion idea, just found their choice of the 1.0 thing odd
olive jungle
welcome to supergiant early access, where the numbers are made up and the builds don't matter!
i thought that section of the noclip doc where jen and uh...i can't remember who the other person was sorry were arguing over what to number the patch, lol
their build-maker generates a number for them at least, it sounds like
hexed smelt
it's amir and... gavin, i think?
yeah
"Jenkins says 54 for something, the actual build number is 12868, publicly this is patch seven"
olive jungle
jenkins.....
tulip lava
jenkins...
foggy kiln
So, this was fun: did a run with double blue hearts on baddies, and only 1 choice on boons. 25 heat, fast and silly. My first clear at 20+ heat. 😁
stone sparrow
?
prisma wind
Congrats LordGersh
crimson hinge
did they increase the hydras headslam radius? cause i remember being a lot less ticked off fighting this boss than i am now
olive jungle
Not sure, but please don't discuss the final boss here!
wooden quartz
wait watching the noclip - chaos confirmed technically nb?
radiant tangle
What do you mean "technically"
wooden quartz
i don't remember the lore
olive jungle
chaos is canonically nb, yeah
wooden quartz
nicee
olive jungle
nyx calls them her "mother and father" and they/them pronouns are always used
spring cipher
Choas hottest enby in dah game
prisma wind
It would be surprising if Chaos wasn't non-binary, on account of never having a gender in the mythology to begin with
spring cipher
So agender
olive jungle
yeah i doubt Chaos would care particularly. saying "the labels didn't exist then" is kind of a moot point for fictional media anyways because, well
the labels do exist now
and the character, in this iteration, exists now
and has significance to people...now
spring cipher
Yeah I mean agender people are also valid as heck
So either fit
I just love humans
olive jungle
So, like, whatever terminology you prefer, I think anything is fine lol
spring cipher
olive jungle
They have no defined gender and use they/them, that's all we know
wooden quartz
oh my lord the gun conversation in noclip 2 is hilarious
velvet lion
Chaos is the original embodiment of literally everything
so they both are and are not both male and female
you can call them both or you can call them neither
steady tapir
🚫 alright calm down now we’re just over complicating things
velvet lion
but chaos is overly complicated
spring cipher
UwU
velvet lion
it is literally impossible to understand chaos
steady tapir
Yeah but we were just saying it’s not a clear cut gender thing not that everything is chaos 😂😂
velvet lion
i mean . . . YES
potent siren
I think the new Rail weapon is the most fun of them all after the Stygian, i'm being subjective of course.
vast onyx
does the new rail weapon really blurs your screen everytime you fire?
potent siren
@vast onyx - Nope
stone sparrow
I think the Rail is too slow to reload, making it useless imo
hexed smelt
my main issue with it is the auto-reload likes to kick in when i'm stood directly in front of a lout that would like to hit me into next week
sick tree
Hey ladies and gentlemen, this is a sort of public apology I guess? -
So, I've been in a lot of pain for the past week or so, it's a long story, nothing serious fortunately but I have been in excruciating pain, more or less constantly, throughout, which meant I couldn't eat or sleep properly during that time either,
All of which put me in a really, really nasty mood...
So, I'd just like to apologise if I was unnecessarily hostile to anyone here during that time,
I don't think I said anything I really need to take back, it all still genuinely reflects my opinion of the game, but I almost certainly could have phrased a lot of it less confrontationally,
Thank you all for being a pleasant distraction from the misery~ 
stone sparrow
Maybe a manual reload is better for the rail?
sick tree
There is one but you have to keep an eye on your ammo count so you trigger it before the auto reload kicks in
That's not easy though
stone sparrow
Yeah, but I mean by default, It's hard to keep track of ur ammo count while you're playing a bullet-hell game in asphodel xD
limpid goblet
True
sick tree
I can't stand the rail, honestly, it took me a total of 12 seconds to decide I was never gonna use it
stone sparrow
Agreed
sick tree
I tend to love rapid fire weapons and I even said several times before it came out that the game needed more AOE attacks, like its special but I absolutely hate having to stand still, like a goon, to fire it, and hate needing to reload
stone sparrow
yeah, I think the only way it could work was if you could move while firing or the boons where OP to incentivize use of the rail
sick tree
Well, based on noclip episode 2, I think the idea was to let us move and fire at the same time,
but I guess they gave up on the idea because they couldn't figure out how to animate it?
stone sparrow
seems that way, they could just have Zagreus T-Pose and have the rail stick out of his chest while he flies around
sick tree
Let's hold out hope they figure it out and add the ability to move-and-shoot in a future update
then that weapon might actually get some use from me
maybe
probably not
stone sparrow
hopefully 😃
ivory fractal
The dash-reload Daedalus upgrade is your friend if you really don't want to stand still.
Personally I don't mind the Rail. It's a good weapon for casual runs, but I agree that it's not that viable on high Heat.
potent siren
Infact Rail is the only weapon with which i made it quite far, it's my favorite weapon
potent siren
It depends on the playstyle i guess, i dash a lot, so dash reload works for me
Thanks @sick tree !
sick tree
Shield is the only one that clicked for me,
I can sorta handle the sword, bow and spear but I've never won with any of them